plano squeaks by boyd

[dragonsdaddy]

plano scored a last minute td to take a 38-31 win over the hapless mckinney boyd. on a lighter note, after listening to the plano announcers, i am unsure there are worse ones, as far as conveying information during the play. almost every time burkhead, or anyone would break a long play, it would be announced as going for 1, no 5, no they have awarded him a 15 yard gain. it is hard to follow when they get rolling.they aren't terrible homers, just kind of disjointed in their annoucements.

[twcpfan1]

plano scored a last minute td to take a 38-31 win over the hapless mckinney boyd. on a lighter note, after listening to the plano announcers, i am unsure there are worse ones, as far as conveying information during the play. almost every time burkhead, or anyone would break a long play, it would be announced as going for 1, no 5, no they have awarded him a 15 yard gain. it is hard to follow when they get rolling.they aren't terrible homers, just kind of disjointed in their annoucements.

Moving Allen to 2 based on the Plano win might be a miscalculation.

[hollywood]

Wow. But they did win. Wow.

[reed35]

pitifull...

[THSBandDad]

Moving Allen to 2 based on the Plano win might be a miscalculation.

Ballsy comment. But, possibly appropriate. :D

I'm sure you'll eventually draw the ire of some Allen fans.

[jc84chill]

Moving Allen to 2 based on the Plano win might be a miscalculation.

That move really burns ya doesn't it? lol...every thread I've looked at in the last couple mins has twcpfan1 with the same sentiment.

Allen had nothing to do with tonight's close Plano win except for maybe killing their confidence. I would think Allen just barely squeeked by Boyd if I didn't know any better. I'd also think we moved Allen 40 spots up to #2 and not 4.

[bigdaddydog]

Moving Allen to 2 based on the Plano win might be a miscalculation.

We will gladly give you guys #2. Until then our guys will work really hard to win every game one game at a time.

Remind me will TWHS be going DI or DII ?

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[THSBandDad]

plano scored a last minute td to take a 38-31 win over the hapless mckinney boyd. on a lighter note, after listening to the plano announcers, i am unsure there are worse ones, as far as conveying information during the play. almost every time burkhead, or anyone would break a long play, it would be announced as going for 1, no 5, no they have awarded him a 15 yard gain. it is hard to follow when they get rolling.they aren't terrible homers, just kind of disjointed in their annoucements.

I tried listening online for a bit, but it was too painful.

[AllenFan09]

We will gladly give you guys #2. Until then our guys will work really hard to win every game one game at a time.

Remind me will TWHS be going DI or DII ?

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Most likely DI

[TrojanHorse03]

That move really burns ya doesn't it? lol...every thread I've looked at in the last couple mins has twcpfan1 with the same sentiment.

Allen had nothing to do with tonight's close Plano win except for maybe killing their confidence. I would think Allen just barely squeeked by Boyd if I didn't know any better. I'd also think we moved Allen 40 spots up to #2 and not 4.

Don't let them get to you, the only thing you guys could possibly do to make everyone happy is rank the Woodlands #1, Allen 2, and Trinity behind Colleyville and Keller ;).

[jc84chill]

Don't worry about it the only thing you guys could do to make everyone happy is rank the Woodlands #1, Allen 2, and Trinity behind Colleyville and Keller ;).

Who are you kidding, Trinity fans would rather not be ranked at all...you should know that :D

[AllenFan09]

Don't let them get to you, the only thing you guys could possibly do to make everyone happy is rank the Woodlands #1, Allen 2, and Trinity behind Colleyville and Keller ;).

:D I would rather Allen out of the top 5, trinity deserves the #1, #2 Woodlands and Plano probably somewhere around 20. Allen hopefully around 10, though unranked sounds good too.

[dragonsdaddy]

plano definitely needs to conduct an apology for only winning by 7. can any et fan help with the wording? thanks in advance.

[TrojanHorse03]

Who are you kidding, Trinity fans would rather not be ranked at all...you should know that :D

Is that an option? Trinity hasn't been very impressive at all :(.

[AllenFan09]

Is that an option? Trinity hasn't been very impressive at all :(.

We're not falling for that. :p

[THSBandDad]

:D I would rather Allen out of the top 5, trinity deserves the #1, #2 Woodlands and Plano probably somewhere around 20. Allen hopefully around 10, though unranked sounds good too.

Don't make me throw the "BS FLAG". :rolleyes:

[TrojanHorse03]

plano definitely needs to conduct an apology for only winning by 7. can any et fan help with the wording? thanks in advance.

:notworthy

[ftballin11]

Is that an option? Trinity hasn't been very impressive at all :(.


Seriously, they are overrated.

[TrojanHorse03]

Seriously, they are overrated.

Where do you think they really belong?

[SLC]

Don't let them get to you, the only thing you guys could possibly do to make everyone happy is rank the Woodlands #1, Allen 2, and Trinity behind Colleyville and Keller ;).

And not have Carroll ranked at all....:D

[jc84chill]

Which win was more impressive last week...

The Woodlands' 34 point win over 2-4 Oak Ridge.
Abilene's shut out of the unranked Open Week.
Bowie's 14 point win over 5-3 Arlington Lamar
Allen's win over 7-0 (you can name what their top 25 rank shoulda been) Plano by 33.

?

[EaglePower]

Wow ... you have GOT to be kidding me. And this team was ranked #2 2 weeks ago? Woooooooow.

[ftballin11]

Where do you think they really belong?


WHere they finished last year #2:D

JK Trinity is a great team looking forward to the playoffs.

[SLC]

Which win is more impressive last week...

The Woodlands' 34 point win over 2-4 Oak Ridge. 4.Abilene's shut out of the unranked Open Week. 3.
Bowie's 14 point win over 5-3 Arlington Lamar 2.
Allen's win over 7-0 (you can name what their top 25 rank shoulda been) Plano by 33. 1.

?

My answer with numbers in bold...;)

[chickenheart1]

Wow ... you have GOT to be kidding me. And this team was ranked #2 2 weeks ago? Woooooooow.

HEY DUDE...Did you know that we have 11 starters out on defense because of injuries and grades??? Oh, but I guess that doesn't count. Any team could overcome that couldn't they. We're bringing up sophmores to fill holes so back off with your #2 crap. Lets see if you can hold on to that spot.

[slcdragonfan]

And not have Carroll ranked at all....:D

We're getting closer to that. Gotta take care of bidness tomorrow.

[jc84chill]

HEY DUDE...Did you know that we have 11 starters out on defense because of injuries and grades??? Oh, but I guess that doesn't count. Any team could overcome that couldn't they. We're bringing up sophmores to fill holes so back off with your #2 crap. Lets see if you can hold on to that spot.

I heard about that laundry list of missing players earlier tonight. Pretty unreal the amount that were out.

Also, you did a good job keeping specifics out of it, appreciate it.

[jc84chill]

We're getting closer to that. Gotta take care of bidness tomorrow.

Ya'll crack me up. :D

[AllenFan09]

Which win was more impressive last week...

The Woodlands' 34 point win over 2-4 Oak Ridge. 4
Abilene's shut out of the unranked Open Week. 2
Bowie's 14 point win over 5-3 Arlington Lamar1
Allen's win over 7-0 (you can name what their top 25 rank shoulda been) Plano by 33. 3

Allen's ranking should be honestly, 8.
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Answers in bold

[chickenheart1]

I heard about that laundry list of missing players earlier tonight. Pretty unreal the amount that were out.

It's a tough thing to overcome, but our offense is still rolling along. 1st year coaching is starting to rear its ugly head as well.

[jc84chill]

It's a tough thing to overcome, but our offense is still rolling along. 1st year coaching is starting to rear its ugly head as well.

An ugly win, but a "W" nonetheless. And that's all that really matters...rankings don't get anyone a bye week or extra points come playoff time.

[EaglePower]

HEY DUDE...Did you know that we have 11 starters out on defense because of injuries and grades??? Oh, but I guess that doesn't count. Any team could overcome that couldn't they. We're bringing up sophmores to fill holes so back off with your #2 crap. Lets see if you can hold on to that spot.
Calm down man, I was just stating the facts - then adding my shock value to the mix. That's unfortunate that you lost so many starters but it still doesn't deter the fact that you almost lost to someone we shut out. I do hope ya'll rebound, I really do. I like the wildcats. I was just very suprised.

[jc84chill]

Answers in bold

Open week is a tough opponent, so I can see giving that game a 2. If they could find any sign of an offense to go along with their defense (have shut out their last 100+ years of opponents), they'd crack the top 25.

[chickenheart1]

An ugly win, but a "W" nonetheless. And that's all that really matters...rankings don't get anyone a bye week or extra points during the game.

We'll be fine. If bad things are to happen now is the time and not in the playoffs and I love to apologize for winning. Trinity knows all about that.

[EaglePower]

So, did ya'll have all these 'D' starters out when we played you last weekend also?

[slcdragonfan]

So, did ya'll have all these 'D' starters out when we played you last weekend also?

:eek:

[chickenheart1]

Calm down man, I was just stating the facts - then adding my shock value to the mix. That's unfortunate that you lost so many starters but it still doesn't deter the fact that you almost lost to someone we shut out. I do hope ya'll rebound, I really do. I like the wildcats. I was just very suprised.

It's hard to calm down when there is mad panic. The last time we had a complete defense on the field, we held West to 7 points. We lost everyone after that. Not that it would have made any difference in the Allen game. Every aspect of our game was askewed that night. We should be up to speed by the Jesuit game and going into the playoffs with confidence.:o

[THSBandDad]

HEY DUDE...Did you know that we have 11 starters out on defense because of injuries and grades??? Oh, but I guess that doesn't count. Any team could overcome that couldn't they. We're bringing up sophmores to fill holes so back off with your #2 crap. Lets see if you can hold on to that spot.

So there were NO starters available on D tonight? DANG!!

Are you sure you'll be getting them back for the playoffs? I mean, the ones that were out for grades.

[EaglePower]

It's hard to calm down when there is mad panic. The last time we had a complete defense on the field, we held West to 7 points. We lost everyone after that. Not that it would have made any difference in the Allen game. Every aspect of our game was askewed that night. We should be up to speed by the Jesuit game and going into the playoffs with confidence.:o
I see... well I hope your team gets their stuff together and packed for the PO's. They're soon. Didn't mean to offend earlier, just kinda felt like you snapped at me, but I can see that as tensions were high tonight.

[bigdaddydog]

And not have Carroll ranked at all....:D

NOW you're talking!!! :D


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[chickenheart1]

So there were NO starters available on D tonight? DANG!!

Are you sure you'll be getting them back for the playoffs? I mean, the ones that were out for grades.

Yes, there were a few starters out there. One Linebacker and 2 safeties. I'm sure the D line had 1 or 2. That's about it. It's pretty dicouraging concidering our starting D was suspect to begin with. I felt like they were starting to gel after the West game. I think ineligible players sit for 3 weeks. Not sure of that but, that's what I heard.

[chickenheart1]

I see... well I hope your team gets their stuff together and packed for the PO's. They're soon. Didn't mean to offend earlier, just kinda felt like you snapped at me, but I can see that as tensions were high tonight.

No problem, and btw, Allen looks really good and should have a real shot at going deep in the P-offs. Good luck. Oh in case anyone was wondering, Burkhead had 245 rushing, 51 receiving and 4 touchdowns. This should move him into first in the scoring category. Not sure about rushing, but he's getting close.

[Maroon Cathead]

Didn't make the game but checked the box score.

Per the box score, Burkhead had 33 carries for 258 yards rushing and five receptions for 54 yards. He accounted for 312 of Plano's 537 total yards.

Looks like Plano has a serious case of the turnover bug; Plano had four turnovers last week, and per the box score, Plano lost three fumbles tonight.

It will be a challenge for the Wildcats to cure the turnover bug and bolster the defense with the playoffs fast approaching.

[twcpfan1]

We will gladly give you guys #2. Until then our guys will work really hard to win every game one game at a time.

Remind me will TWHS be going DI or DII ?




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Why would we deserve #2? College Park are ranked what? About 358 right now? Bumping us up to #2 might be a little too generous. :D

The Woodlands are going D1.

[twcpfan1]

That move really burns ya doesn't it? lol...every thread I've looked at in the last couple mins has twcpfan1 with the same sentiment.

Allen had nothing to do with tonight's close Plano win except for maybe killing their confidence. I would think Allen just barely squeeked by Boyd if I didn't know any better. I'd also think we moved Allen 40 spots up to #2 and not 4.

I didn't see Katy's confidence wavering before and after the beating they took at the bank. They were pretty good before and after The Woodlands game. I'm prepared to say at this point that it was a better quality win than the one Allen had over Plano. People in DFW have been saying that Plano is overrated for a while now.

[twcpfan1]

Don't let them get to you, the only thing you guys could possibly do to make everyone happy is rank the Woodlands #1, Allen 2, and Trinity behind Colleyville and Keller ;).

Who's them? I'm one of the enemy in Highlander Country. And yes, in my honest opinion, The Woodlands would beat Trinity if they played.

[twcpfan1]

Who are you kidding, Trinity fans would rather not be ranked at all...you should know that :D

Yeah right. I saw all the crying after people made the statements about Katy being the better champion last year. They're no better. They'll complain like everybody else if they feel they aren't ranked appropriately. :D

[FeeltheHaka]

Opinions here: To me, this does not minimize Allen's win, but amplifies. Why? Allen probably has the physically largest line on both sides of the ball in the state. If anything, they (Allen) just temporarily softened Plano. I'm not being facetious.

In my opinion, in Plano's case injuries are not excuse. With the amount of student population at Plano, they should have more than enough depth. Also, at this point in the season, everyone has injuries.

Grades are definetely no excuse. See above on depth. Also, I feel players not making grades is a team issue. All teams have this issue which needs to be overcome.

Also, Being ranked #2 puts a Target on Plano. From our experience at Euless Trinity; teams that normally aren't that good, seem to look real good against us.

I would not take Plano lightly.

[twcpfan1]

Which win was more impressive last week...

The Woodlands' 34 point win over 2-4 Oak Ridge.
Abilene's shut out of the unranked Open Week.
Bowie's 14 point win over 5-3 Arlington Lamar
Allen's win over 7-0 (you can name what their top 25 rank shoulda been) Plano by 33.

?

None of the above. The 0-47 spanking of Katy. Look what Katy's done before and after that game. Honestly why would anybody compare a game between TWHS and ORHS to a game between Allen and Plano. Don't you think The Woodlands would approach that game just a little bit differently to how Allen and Plano would approach their game?

[bigdaddydog]

I didn't see Katy's confidence wavering before and after the beating they took at the bank. They were pretty good before and after The Woodlands game. I'm prepared to say at this point that it was a better quality win than the one Allen had over Plano. People in DFW have been saying that Plano is overrated for a while now.

Who are these people? I did not hear much more that a whisper because of some close games just Like Trinity had. Now we have been saying that they Suck for a while now, but that's a whole different thing! :D

The Allen game vs Plano was a shocker for tons of folks up here in the Metro Mess. I asked the question about players missing because of grades and did not get a peep out of the Plano folks.

Coach Jaydon in the interview after the Boyd game starts rattling off the list of "things" that Plano faced, Grades, being banged up and then says "I'm Not Making Excuses". Wow. Then don't say it. He'll learn and Plano will recover.

As it looks now I like Region 1s chances against Region 2 in the playoffs.

Good luck to the Woodlands! :) :notworthy


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[jc84chill]

I didn't see Katy's confidence wavering before and after the beating they took at the bank. They were pretty good before and after The Woodlands game. I'm prepared to say at this point that it was a better quality win than the one Allen had over Plano. People in DFW have been saying that Plano is overrated for a while now.

People are quick to claim anyone is overrated as soon as they have one close game or claim they are way underrated as soon as they have one blowout win.

As far as Katy and how strong they were heading into and coming out of The Woodlands game. That's a whole 'nother argument in itself that would take another 20 pages.

If you think that beating that Katy team in Week 1 is equivalent to Allen beating an undefeated Plano team in Week 7, then you and I are just not going to get anywhere with this one.

Having said that, do I think that The Woodlands would have a decent shot at beating Allen or Trinity, of course. Anything can happen in a one and done situation and I think The Woodlands certainly have the talent to do so.

At this point in time though, we just value certain wins differently and I like what I've seen out of a team I thought highly of from the start.

[TheScout]

It's a tough thing to overcome, but our offense is still rolling along. 1st year coaching is starting to rear its ugly head as well.

Welcome to the world of "Never Good Enough" Happens to Trinity every game. Even the Championship years.

[GameTyme]

A "W" is a "W".

[TheScout]

Who's them? I'm one of the enemy in Highlander Country. And yes, in my honest opinion, The Woodlands would beat Trinity if they played.

You and everybody else.:rolleyes:

[twcpfan1]

People are quick to claim anyone is overrated as soon as they have one close game or claim they are way underrated as soon as they have one blowout win.

As far as Katy and how strong they were heading into and coming out of The Woodlands game. That's a whole 'nother argument in itself that would take another 20 pages.

If you think that beating that Katy team in Week 1 is equivalent to Allen beating an undefeated Plano team in Week 7, then you and I are just not going to get anywhere with this one.

Having said that, do I think that The Woodlands would have a decent shot at beating Allen or Trinity, of course. Anything can happen in a one and done situation and I think The Woodlands certainly have the talent to do so.

At this point in time though, we just value certain wins differently and I like what I've seen out of a team I thought highly of from the start.

Yes I do realize the difference in stages of the season when those 2 games were played. Unfortunately it's the closest thing we have to any kind of decent win quality comparison. Because the Oak Ridge game is an even more non indicative comparison even if it took place the same week.

[jc84chill]

Yes I do realize the difference in stages of the season when those 2 games were played. Unfortunately it's the closest thing we have to any kind of decent win quality comparison. Because the Oak Ridge game is an even more non indicative comparison even if it took place the same week.

It's not just a difference in stages of the season, it's a difference in the quality of the teams as well. I'm of the opinion that Plano then, now, and tomorrow would take Katy behind the woodshed. If the two would have played this evening for example, Katy would have probably been down by several TD's after their 1st half performance against Taylor (see The Woodlands game)...multiple fumbles, 80 yards of offense, penalties, etc...Any decent team for that matter would have had a several score lead going into the half.

Regardless of all that, teams who are ranked four spots from each other are looked at as relatively equal in overall strength and either could win on any given day. It's pretty understood that anyone in the Top 25, for that matter, has a great chance of beating each other. When it comes down to putting them in an order on a weekly basis, a big portion of that is looking at what they did and against who. A team's most recent results are naturally going to be given a lot more weight.

Looking at rankings in their most basic and simplistic form...

The Woodlands vs Allen. Both very strong teams. Both have dominated who they were supposed to.

Okay, so what did each team do most recently?

Allen beat a strong Plano team by 33 and The Woodlands beat 2-4 Oak Ridge by 34.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to give Allen the nod (by one spot) in the ordering for that week. Both are still considered very strong.

[TheScout]

It's not just a difference in stages of the season, it's a difference in the quality of the teams as well. I'm of the opinion that Plano then, now, and tomorrow would take Katy behind the woodshed. If the two would have played this evening for example, Katy would have probably been down by several TD's after their 1st half performance against Taylor (see The Woodlands game)...multiple fumbles, 80 yards of offense, penalties, etc...Any decent team for that matter would have had a several score lead going into the half.

Regardless of all that, teams who are ranked four spots from each other are looked at as relatively equal in overall strength and either could win on any given day. It's pretty understood that anyone in the Top 25, for that matter, has a great chance of beating each other. When it comes down to putting them in an order on a weekly basis, a big portion of that is looking at what they did and against who. A team's most recent results are naturally going to be given a lot more weight.

Looking at rankings in their most basic and simplistic form...

The Woodlands vs Allen. Both very strong teams. Both have dominated who they were supposed to.

Okay, so what did each team do most recently?

Allen beat a strong Plano team by 33 and The Woodlands beat 2-4 Oak Ridge by 34.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to give Allen the nod (by one spot) in the ordering for that week. Both are still considered very strong.

that is the best explanation i have ever heard.:notworthy

[teXan]

Looking at rankings in their most basic and simplistic form...

The Woodlands vs Allen. Both very strong teams. Both have dominated who they were supposed to.

Okay, so what did each team do most recently?

Allen beat a strong Plano team by 33 and The Woodlands beat 2-4 Oak Ridge by 34.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to give Allen the nod (by one spot) in the ordering for that week. Both are still considered very strong.

I've been keeping uncharacteristically quiet on this thread (since it's not called Ranking The Woodlands vs Allen) but I have to step in on this one point:

While I definitely agree with your explanation, JC, I have to question whether the outcome of the (already lost a game) Allen game is worthy of a 4-spot jump over the (undefeated) The Woodlands.

Apparently, TW is facing a challenge against Conroe (5-1) while Allen is up against a mediocre Dallas Jesuit (2-5). Do similar wins for both Allen and TW reverse the rankings or does Dallas Skyline take over the #2 position by beating the higher-ranked Carrollton Creekview?

[The Wood]

Don't let them get to you, the only thing you guys could possibly do to make everyone happy is rank the Woodlands #1, Allen 2, and Trinity behind Colleyville and Keller ;).
Please note, twclfan1 is a college park fan. He didn't say anything about TWHS that I saw.

As a TWHS booster, I can say that Trinity definitely needs to be #1. Allen's win over Plano was huge and that helped them get where they are in your poll. It doesn't matter what the polls say...all you can do is play your butt off when the whistle blows and leave it all on the field. As far as I'm concerned our ranking only serves to potentially distract us or serve as motivation for others. I'd rather be unbeaten and unknown. The polls are talk, the games are real. What happens, happens. And each game is the most important game. So the most important game is CONROE.

[HebronHawk]

plano scored a last minute td to take a 38-31 win over the hapless mckinney boyd. on a lighter note, after listening to the plano announcers, i am unsure there are worse ones, as far as conveying information during the play. almost every time burkhead, or anyone would break a long play, it would be announced as going for 1, no 5, no they have awarded him a 15 yard gain. it is hard to follow when they get rolling.they aren't terrible homers, just kind of disjointed in their annoucements.

Is that the Champion Sports Radio announcers that you are referring to?

[HebronHawk]

And not have Carroll ranked at all....:D

That's Hebron's position, you can't have it. :D

[stinger]

HEY DUDE...Did you know that we have 11 starters out on defense because of injuries and grades??? Oh, but I guess that doesn't count. Any team could overcome that couldn't they. We're bringing up sophmores to fill holes so back off with your #2 crap. Lets see if you can hold on to that spot.


Sometimes it's lemons...sometimes it's lemonade.

[stinger]

HEY DUDE...Did you know that we have 11 starters out on defense because of injuries and grades??? Oh, but I guess that doesn't count. Any team could overcome that couldn't they. We're bringing up sophmores to fill holes so back off with your #2 crap. Lets see if you can hold on to that spot.

It's also a good case of when you don't give the backups enough playing time, as many other teams like Trinity do, it may come back to bite you. What will be the reason if they lose from now on??

[jc84chill]

I've been keeping uncharacteristically quiet on this thread (since it's not called Ranking The Woodlands vs Allen) but I have to step in on this one point:

This is a message board...no need to stay quiet. :)

While I definitely agree with your explanation, JC, I have to question whether the outcome of the (already lost a game) Allen game is worthy of a 4-spot jump over the (undefeated) The Woodlands.

I can certainly respect that. We're not going to agree on everything.

Apparently, TW is facing a challenge against Conroe (5-1) while Allen is up against a mediocre Dallas Jesuit (2-5). Do similar wins for both Allen and TW reverse the rankings or does Dallas Skyline take over the #2 position by beating the higher-ranked Carrollton Creekview?

In four words, no. A 33 point win over Conroe would not be as impressive as a 33 point win over Plano. Although, a 34 point win over Dallas Jesuit would be just as "blah" as a 34 point win over Oak Ridge and Allen would stay right where they are at like The Woodlands did . :)

(Already lost a game) Dallas Skyline wouldn't move up to the #2 spot, but they may jump 4 spots to move ahead of (undefeated) Garland. :)

[twcpfan1]

Rankings should not affect players and coaches particularly those of the ones firmly focused on whats important. However Texan is right. They are there for the benefit of the fans so they can engage in civil discussion in between games. They are also there to recognize the hard work of those that deserve it. The Admins have done that where ET, Allen and TW are concerned among others.

I will agree to disagree with Chill where Katy and Plano are concerned. The 1st half effort against Taylor was just more of the same dating back to Pas Mem and Pflugy last year. They come back strong in the 2nd half and win convincingly in the end. I believe they take Plano if they match up.

[jc84chill]

Rankings should not affect players and coaches particularly those of the ones firmly focused on whats important. However Texan is right. They are there for the benefit of the fans so they can engage in civil discussion in between games. They are also there to recognize the hard work of those that deserve it. The Admins have done that where ET, Allen and TW are concerned among others.

I will agree to disagree with Chill where Katy and Plano are concerned. The 1st half effort against Taylor was just more of the same dating back to Pas Mem and Pflugy last year. They come back strong in the 2nd half and win convincingly in the end. I believe they take Plano if they match up.

Agreed. I think most of us understand that these rankings aren't worth a dang thing. If it was up to me, I'd rank teams in the preseason and then not again until after the regular season ended.

[stinger]

It's not just a difference in stages of the season, it's a difference in the quality of the teams as well. I'm of the opinion that Plano then, now, and tomorrow would take Katy behind the woodshed. If the two would have played this evening for example, Katy would have probably been down by several TD's after their 1st half performance against Taylor (see The Woodlands game)...multiple fumbles, 80 yards of offense, penalties, etc...Any decent team for that matter would have had a several score lead going into the half.

Regardless of all that, teams who are ranked four spots from each other are looked at as relatively equal in overall strength and either could win on any given day. It's pretty understood that anyone in the Top 25, for that matter, has a great chance of beating each other. When it comes down to putting them in an order on a weekly basis, a big portion of that is looking at what they did and against who. A team's most recent results are naturally going to be given a lot more weight.

Looking at rankings in their most basic and simplistic form...

The Woodlands vs Allen. Both very strong teams. Both have dominated who they were supposed to.

Okay, so what did each team do most recently?

Allen beat a strong Plano team by 33 and The Woodlands beat 2-4 Oak Ridge by 34.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to give Allen the nod (by one spot) in the ordering for that week. Both are still considered very strong.



Good info...and this is why one TWHS poster says that they would beat Trinity????NOT!!!

[twcpfan1]

Agreed. I think most of us understand that these rankings aren't worth a dang thing. If it was up to me, I'd rank teams in the preseason and then not again until after the regular season ended.

Dang. Where's the fun in that. I have dual monitors for my desktop in the office as well as a laptop specifically so we can shoot the sh.t about HS football rankings while I work. :D

[jc84chill]

Dang. Where's the fun in that. I have dual monitors for my desktop in the office as well as a laptop specifically so we can shoot the sh.t about HS football rankings while I work. :D

Haha. I envy you there. I haven't quite made it to dual monitor status yet.

[twcpfan1]

Good info...and this is why one TWHS poster says that they would beat Trinity????NOT!!!

Stinger you still owe me BBQ btw :D.

If you saw TWHS play (both 1st and 2nd string) it might make you a little bit nervous about that matchup.

[teXan]

Good info...and this is why one TWHS poster says that they would beat Trinity????NOT!!!

Which TWHS poster said that TW would beat Trinity?

[Bill4par]

Sounds like Plano may still be deflated.....but they will be back to make a strong run like theyalways do. I have a general question though about the Playoff's......

Why are they ranked off school population? What is the benefit to doing it this way? Why is it not based/seeded on Performance & Results?

[stinger]

Stinger you still owe me BBQ btw :D.

If you saw TWHS play (both 1st and 2nd string) it might make you a little bit nervous about that matchup.

Just tell me when and I will buy. Hey...EVERY Trinity game makes me nervous. I think Lineweaver intentionally gets the boys in a fix early in the game to get them riled up and feel the experience of being behind and coming back. All in all, I hope the matchup happens...another game to remember.
Are you gonna make any of the games at Texas Stadium?

[twcpfan1]

Just tell me when and I will buy. Hey...EVERY Trinity game makes me nervous. I think Lineweaver intentionally gets the boys in a fix early in the game to get them riled up and feel the experience of being behind and coming back. All in all, I hope the matchup happens...another game to remember.
Are you gonna make any of the games at Texas Stadium?

If The Woodz play ET at TS and if College Park are done for the season, I will definitely be there. It should be one for the ages. Hope it happens.

[dragonsdaddy]

HEY DUDE...Did you know that we have 11 starters out on defense because of injuries and grades??? Oh, but I guess that doesn't count. Any team could overcome that couldn't they. We're bringing up sophmores to fill holes so back off with your #2 crap. Lets see if you can hold on to that spot.

the loss of players to grades is very disturbing and a knock on the coaching staff. they need to get the players noses to the grindstone. no pass no play no win. also no excuses.

[TrojanHorse03]

Who's them? I'm one of the enemy in Highlander Country. And yes, in my honest opinion, The Woodlands would beat Trinity if they played.

First of all them is a general term, not a specific term. Two, As for the Woodlands beating Trinity, that could happen. Trinity would be honored to play the Woodlands, if Trinity is good enough to make it there it would be for the right to play for state. Needless to say Trinity would have other opponents who some are just as confident can beat Trinity to deal with first.

[Jayhawker]

We will gladly give you guys #2. Until then our guys will work really hard to win every game one game at a time.

Remind me will TWHS be going DI or DII ?

~

D1

[tjw]

the loss of players to grades is very disturbing and a knock on the coaching staff. they need to get the players noses to the grindstone. no pass no play no win. also no excuses.

:notworthy:notworthy

[dragonsdaddy]

Is that the Champion Sports Radio announcers that you are referring to?

whatever game was on 1160 last night. they were being commercialized by plano sponsors.

[fballgirl22]

Just tell me when and I will buy. Hey...EVERY Trinity game makes me nervous. I think Lineweaver intentionally gets the boys in a fix early in the game to get them riled up and feel the experience of being behind and coming back. All in all, I hope the matchup happens...another game to remember.
Are you gonna make any of the games at Texas Stadium?



I seriously doubt Lineweaver or any coach believes their team is so great that they would be arrogant enough to purposely put their team in a bad position.

[reed35]

the loss of players to grades is very disturbing and a knock on the coaching staff. they need to get the players noses to the grindstone. no pass no play no win. also no excuses.

agreed. We used to get the ol paddle for failing class and not get to play.

Then JM makes the guarantee not to play the way they did against Allen. Best joke of the year.

JM has lost his fire IMO. Glad i am out of town so i do not have to see it.

The announcers were bad!!!!!

[TrojanHorse03]

I seriously doubt Lineweaver or any coach believes their team is so great that they would be arrogant enough to purposely put their team in a bad position.

I think you missed the sarcasm.

[bigdaddydog]

I think you missed the sarcasm.

:notworthy :D :notworthy


~

[trojanbacker]

A win is a win is a win....

I find it interesting that those on the "Ranked Teams Must Win Games by Massive Amounts" bandwagon are usually from schools for whom that isn't an issue since their teams aren't ranked.

Close games happen. At the end of the year, the W will still be in the win column and there won't be an asterisk by it denoting that the win came against a team with a losing record.

[SLC]

That's Hebron's position, you can't have it. :D



I know that and ya'll have earned it to.....:p:D

[stinger]

Who's them? I'm one of the enemy in Highlander Country. And yes, in my honest opinion, The Woodlands would beat Trinity if they played.

Here's your sign, teXan. I don't know if he is TWHS or not, but here he is...

[Maroondog]

Hate to say it but Plano is done. A monumental gut busting struggle against Boyd should tell you all you need to know.
I just hope our exit from the playoffs is at least dignified. Reasons are many and not excuses, but facts are facts and this team is just not good enough to make a deep playoff run.
I'll still be rooting for them and will be the first to come on here and eat crow if I'm wrong, but I try to see it like it is and not how I'd like it to be.

[stinger]

I seriously doubt Lineweaver or any coach believes their team is so great that they would be arrogant enough to purposely put their team in a bad position.



Show me where I even IMPLIED any arrogance. It can be a coaching styrategy to do certain things to get the boys prepared. It is best done early in the game. Usually to quickly deflate the opponent....which it did.

[PlanoNative]

On the announcers, you were listening to the GREAT Brad Denton. Brad was once the play by play man for just Plano and now it's pretty much for whatever games are in Collin county that week. Maybe he's lost his touch a little but he was great back in the day (80's title runs). I still love listening to him.

The Wildcats' problems this year are absolutely due to coaching. I am 99% sure this is the most penalties a Plano team has ever had. I think they had 15 in one game alone - Hebron!!! It's almost surreal the number of stupid late hits, offsides, holding calls they've received. A complete reversal of traditional, disciplined Plano football.

I am not one to gripe about coaches often, and never did with Brence. But I am here to tell you that JM hasn't got "it". All the hoopla surrounding the hiring was just that. He will end up stepping down in the next couple of seasons. You heard it here first. Go ahead and pump sunshine if you want, but you must be watching a different team than me. It could get real ugly next year when most of the offense is gone.

[DragonFan0316]

On the announcers, you were listening to the GREAT Brad Denton. Brad was once the play by play man for just Plano and now it's pretty much for whatever games are in Collin county that week. Maybe he's lost his touch a little but he was great back in the day (80's title runs). I still love listening to him.

The Wildcats' problems this year are absolutely due to coaching. I am 99% sure this is the most penalties a Plano team has ever had. I think they had 15 in one game alone - Hebron!!! It's almost surreal the number of stupid late hits, offsides, holding calls they've received. A complete reversal of traditional, disciplined Plano football.

I am not one to gripe about coaches often, and never did with Brence. But I am here to tell you that JM hasn't got "it". All the hoopla surrounding the hiring was just that. He will end up stepping down in the next couple of seasons. You heard it here first. Go ahead and pump sunshine if you want, but you must be watching a different team than me. It could get real ugly next year when most of the offense is gone.

Ouch! Oh how the mighty have fallen. These are kids. They had a bad couple of weeks. They won last night and that is what counts. Plano will still make the PO and may make a deep run. Buck up Plano fans.

[teXan]

Here's your sign, teXan. I don't know if he is TWHS or not, but here he is...

Oh, I see. You're referencing a College Park poster as a The Woodlands poster. Right part of town...wrong school.

Question: Is your here's your sign statement in reference to the Jeff Foxworthy comedian where he ridicules people for saying something stupid? If so, do you realize that almost every one of your responses/messages to me is personally critical? Have we met somewhere before that would cause you to have a personal grudge against me? Are you capable of carrying on a conversation with me without resorting to a personal attack?

[goodolboy]

On the announcers, you were listening to the GREAT Brad Denton. Brad was once the play by play man for just Plano and now it's pretty much for whatever games are in Collin county that week. Maybe he's lost his touch a little but he was great back in the day (80's title runs). I still love listening to him.

The Wildcats' problems this year are absolutely due to coaching. I am 99% sure this is the most penalties a Plano team has ever had. I think they had 15 in one game alone - Hebron!!! It's almost surreal the number of stupid late hits, offsides, holding calls they've received. A complete reversal of traditional, disciplined Plano football.

I am not one to gripe about coaches often, and never did with Brence. But I am here to tell you that JM hasn't got "it". All the hoopla surrounding the hiring was just that. He will end up stepping down in the next couple of seasons. You heard it here first. Go ahead and pump sunshine if you want, but you must be watching a different team than me. It could get real ugly next year when most of the offense is gone.


You have your right to your own opinion, but I have my right as well: YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

What's wrong, is your son not getting enough playing time?

[PlanoNative]

I knew that wasn't going to be a popular opinion, especially for a 1-loss team. I have always liked JM as a coordinator. I give him a lot of credit for changing Plano's fortunes the last several years. But this team isn't well coached. You can call people an idiot but how do you explain the poor tackling and absurd amount of penalties?

They are living off of Burkhead and a lot of offensive talent. Allen exposed all of the discipline problems, poor tackling, etc..

[goodolboy]

You can blame it on the assistant coaches...not the head coach. He will take care of it this spring.

[bigdaddydog]

Oh, I see. You're referencing a College Park poster as a The Woodlands poster. Right part of town...wrong school.

Question: Is your here's your sign statement in reference to the Jeff Foxworthy comedian where he ridicules people for saying something stupid? If so, do you realize that almost every one of your responses/messages to me is personally critical? Have we met somewhere before that would cause you to have a personal grudge against me? Are you capable of carrying on a conversation with me without resorting to a personal attack?

NOW you Southern folks see what we have to put up with all the time!! ;):D

Good luck and with any Fortune I will get to see how good Woodz really is! :)


~

[tjw]

You can blame it on the assistant coaches...not the head coach. He will take care of it this spring.

Wouldn't that be a little too late for this season? Have 3 weeks before playoffs to work on it. :)

[stinger]

Oh, I see. You're referencing a College Park poster as a The Woodlands poster. Right part of town...wrong school.

Question: Is your here's your sign statement in reference to the Jeff Foxworthy comedian where he ridicules people for saying something stupid? If so, do you realize that almost every one of your responses/messages to me is personally critical? Have we met somewhere before that would cause you to have a personal grudge against me? Are you capable of carrying on a conversation with me without resorting to a personal attack?

That's why I said I didn't know if he was part of the TWHS group. If not, then I'm wrong. As far as my "here's your sign" comment, not meant to belittle anybody. It was just to show I found the post. How could you take it personal, where was it critical, where is your humor without digging to try your best to make something out of nothing? Talk about mountain out of not even a molehill??? There is no need whatsoever to try and read between the lines, unless that is your style to provoke the conversation in a certain direction.
Post Script....His comedy is not directed at people for saying stupid things. He only points out things, sometimes not even people related, and creates humor. If it isn't funny to you, I can't help you out. Have a better day.
As I stated earlier, I had no knowledge if there was a relationship, but you took everything to a personal level without provocation. I will keep humor, and posts for you, somewhere else if that will make you happy. Adios

[stinger]

Oh, I see. You're referencing a College Park poster as a The Woodlands poster. Right part of town...wrong school.

Question: Is your here's your sign statement in reference to the Jeff Foxworthy comedian where he ridicules people for saying something stupid? If so, do you realize that almost every one of your responses/messages to me is personally critical? Have we met somewhere before that would cause you to have a personal grudge against me? Are you capable of carrying on a conversation with me without resorting to a personal attack?


I realize that your PM is not available for some reason. However, you may PM me at any time.

[CCHS77]

Oh, I see. You're referencing a College Park poster as a The Woodlands poster. Right part of town...wrong school.

Question: Is your here's your sign statement in reference to the Jeff Foxworthy comedian where he ridicules people for saying something stupid? If so, do you realize that almost every one of your responses/messages to me is personally critical? Have we met somewhere before that would cause you to have a personal grudge against me? Are you capable of carrying on a conversation with me without resorting to a personal attack?

Bill Engvall, not Foxworthy

[Maxthedog]

HEY DUDE...Did you know that we have 11 starters out on defense because of injuries and grades??? Oh, but I guess that doesn't count. Any team could overcome that couldn't they. We're bringing up sophmores to fill holes so back off with your #2 crap. Lets see if you can hold on to that spot.

CH, losing startes because of injuries is a bad thing and I hate to hear that. Losing starters because of grades,,no excuse for that. I don't seem to remember that being a problem at Plano.

[stinger]

CH, losing startes because of injuries is a bad thing and I hate to hear that. Losing starters because of grades,,no excuse for that. I don't seem to remember that being a problem at Plano.


The tough thing is who do you go to? The coaches should have had a handle on who was even in danger of failing. The next step is tutoring, etc. Not saying it wasn't done. But being aggressive on academics should be foremost. No matter how good the player is, he or she needs to be able to get into the college offering a scholarship.

[NHB06]

Hate to say it but Plano is done. A monumental gut busting struggle against Boyd should tell you all you need to know.
I just hope our exit from the playoffs is at least dignified. Reasons are many and not excuses, but facts are facts and this team is just not good enough to make a deep playoff run.
I'll still be rooting for them and will be the first to come on here and eat crow if I'm wrong, but I try to see it like it is and not how I'd like it to be.

Talk about a Debbie Downer. Plano is 8-1. The Wildcats will rebound in time for the playoffs. Have a little faith and confidence in the kids and coaching staff at PSHS. They are all winners and won't go down without a fight. State championship or no state championship, we don't need fans who fold like a cheap tent at the first sign of adversity.

[chickenheart1]

The tough thing is who do you go to? The coaches should have had a handle on who was even in danger of failing. The next step is tutoring, etc. Not saying it wasn't done. But being aggressive on academics should be foremost. No matter how good the player is, he or she needs to be able to get into the college offering a scholarship.

Agreed. The coaches and teamates should be on their butts making shure they pass. I think it comes down to a new coaching staff trying to win games and not taking care of the students. If you take care of the student first, the rest of the stuff will take care of itself. I don't think that JM had that responsibility before and is still adjusting to the roll of head coach.

[dragonsdaddy]

On the announcers, you were listening to the GREAT Brad Denton. Brad was once the play by play man for just Plano and now it's pretty much for whatever games are in Collin county that week. Maybe he's lost his touch a little but he was great back in the day (80's title runs). I still love listening to him.

The Wildcats' problems this year are absolutely due to coaching. I am 99% sure this is the most penalties a Plano team has ever had. I think they had 15 in one game alone - Hebron!!! It's almost surreal the number of stupid late hits, offsides, holding calls they've received. A complete reversal of traditional, disciplined Plano football.

I am not one to gripe about coaches often, and never did with Brence. But I am here to tell you that JM hasn't got "it". All the hoopla surrounding the hiring was just that. He will end up stepping down in the next couple of seasons. You heard it here first. Go ahead and pump sunshine if you want, but you must be watching a different team than me. It could get real ugly next year when most of the offense is gone.
a couple of weeks ago i also watched the smu mustangs, who once were great, get throttled by the always mediocre rice owls. i did enjoy the kern tipsian adjectives, but his way of describing the yardage gained and the yardlines drove me to distraction. they were given at random.

[dragonsdaddy]

Talk about a Debbie Downer. Plano is 8-1. The Wildcats will rebound in time for the playoffs. Have a little faith and confidence in the kids and coaching staff at PSHS. They are all winners and won't go down without a fight. State championship or no state championship, we don't need fans who fold like a cheap tent at the first sign of adversity.

how about the second? i agree with you by the way. let's see how it plays out for a year at least.

[vtwinwilly]

Hate to say it but Plano is done. A monumental gut busting struggle against Boyd should tell you all you need to know.
I just hope our exit from the playoffs is at least dignified. Reasons are many and not excuses, but facts are facts and this team is just not good enough to make a deep playoff run.
I'll still be rooting for them and will be the first to come on here and eat crow if I'm wrong, but I try to see it like it is and not how I'd like it to be.
I'm not sure I agree 100%.

I was at the game last night, and Boyd was never in control. They did answer every point right up to the end though. With less than 1:30 left in the game the score was tied 31 - 31, and Plano scored to take the lead. There just wasn't enough time for a team like Boyd to mount any kind of comeback.

I think there's a lot of talent on that Plano team. If they get some injuries cleaned up, and tighten up in the dicipline department, they should still have a good run in the playoffs. It also appears they lean on Burkhead a lot. To go deep in the playoffs they'll have to figure out a more balanced attack, or they're flat going to wear Burkhead out.

My suggestion would be to take it as easy as possible against Jesuit. Do just enough to win. Rest your players as much as possible before the playoffs start. Of course... maybe that's what the Wildcats were doing last night!:D

[mothergoose]

Wow! MAROONDOG, I have seen it happen to alot of teams on this site but not Plano. So called fans giving up on their team because of a bad game or two, yet saying they are still fans and will continue to support their "doomed" team.

Makes me wonder what you were saying during the 2003 season at 0-10, or the 2004 season at 4-6. Bet you were all smiles during 2005. Well in 2003, I was in the stands on game 10 rooting on the boys trying for just the one win, in 2004 I was in the parking lot with a bunch of other fans listening to the PESH game thinking we might make the playoffs, and in 2005 I was still standing in TS after the Southlake Carroll game thinking we'll get them next year. And still here in 2006, 2007, and 2008.

We have a great team. Good coaches and good athletes. They have had a little struggle, but I have faith that they will make the changes they need to for us to make a good run in the playoffs. But if they don't, I will prepare for a new team and season in 2009 and continue to root for my team.

I would think that any adult fan on this site would know that the boys read these post and would be disheartened to see they're fans throwing in the towel on them before the season is even over.

Shame on you!!:mad:

[PirateParent2011]

:confused: OK, at the risk of inviting Scottie2 on here to bash 8-5A again, I’m sitting here scratching my head trying to make since of all this…Plano/Wylie play a great, close game that Plano wins; Wylie blows out Boyd but squeaks by PESH; Plano gets blown out by Allen then squeaks by Boyd. So, does this mean we are a tough district top to bottom or not as tough as we would like to believe? BTW, Wylie beat Hebron who is currently # 1 in 6-5A and Rowlett who is currently tied for # 2 in 10-5A. So what does that say about Wylie and 8-5A?

[NHB06]

:confused: OK, at the risk of inviting Scottie2 on here to bash 8-5A again, I’m sitting here scratching my head trying to make since of all this…Plano/Wylie play a great, close game that Plano wins; Wylie blows out Boyd but squeaks by PESH; Plano gets blown out by Allen then squeaks by Boyd. So, does this mean we are a tough district top to bottom or not as tough as we would like to believe? BTW, Wylie beat Hebron who is currently # 1 in 6-5A and Rowlett who is currently tied for # 2 in 10-5A. So what does that say about Wylie and 8-5A?

I'd chalk up Wylie's close call against East to a little bit of overconfidence and a few kids who were playing with injuries and weren't quite 100%. Plano's close call was due to some starters being out (grades, injuries), post Allen let down, and a bit of overconfidence as well. Wylie should beat West, but probably won't beat Allen. Plano will finish 9-1 with a win against Jesuit. Both Plano and Wylie are great teams who will have strong showings in the playoffs. One thing I noticed about McKinney Boyd last night is that their offense has drastically improved. Boyd had a new QB playing (Alves is now at RB) and have established a passing game to compliment the run. Against Wylie, Boyd's offense consisted mostly of Alves attempting to run the ball and not getting very far.

[Eagle1986]

I'd chalk up Wylie's close call against East to a little bit of overconfidence and a few kids who were playing with injuries and weren't quite 100%. Plano's close call was due to some starters being out (grades, injuries), post Allen let down, and a bit of overconfidence as well. Wylie should beat West, but probably won't beat Allen. Plano will finish 9-1 with a win against Jesuit. Both Plano and Wylie are great teams who will have strong showings in the playoffs. One thing I noticed about McKinney Boyd last night is that their offense has drastically improved. Boyd had a new QB playing (Alves is now at RB) and have established a passing game to compliment the run. Against Wylie, Boyd's offense consisted mostly of Alves attempting to run the ball and not getting very far.

They did the same thing against Allen, I was thinking they were just trying to throw us off. It looks like they are going to stick with the new QB, which by the way is definitely a dual-threat QB. This gives them room to move Alves around and cause some defense confusion. Maybe they just had a little more time to work on it for Plano and it's just building steam.:rolleyes:

[PirateParent2011]

I'd chalk up Wylie's close call against East to a little bit of overconfidence and a few kids who were playing with injuries and weren't quite 100%. Plano's close call was due to some starters being out (grades, injuries), post Allen let down, and a bit of overconfidence as well. Wylie should beat West, but probably won't beat Allen. Plano will finish 9-1 with a win against Jesuit. Both Plano and Wylie are great teams who will have strong showings in the playoffs. One thing I noticed about McKinney Boyd last night is that their offense has drastically improved. Boyd had a new QB playing (Alves is now at RB) and have established a passing game to compliment the run. Against Wylie, Boyd's offense consisted mostly of Alves attempting to run the ball and not getting very far.

I agree with that assessment…Alves was basically their only weapon that night against Wylie and our “D” was able to key on him. With him at RB and a good dual threat QB Boyd’s offense will be much improved.

[Maroondog]

Wow! MAROONDOG, I have seen it happen to alot of teams on this site but not Plano. So called fans giving up on their team because of a bad game or two, yet saying they are still fans and will continue to support their "doomed" team.

Makes me wonder what you were saying during the 2003 season at 0-10, or the 2004 season at 4-6. Bet you were all smiles during 2005. Well in 2003, I was in the stands on game 10 rooting on the boys trying for just the one win, in 2004 I was in the parking lot with a bunch of other fans listening to the PESH game thinking we might make the playoffs, and in 2005 I was still standing in TS after the Southlake Carroll game thinking we'll get them next year. And still here in 2006, 2007, and 2008.

We have a great team. Good coaches and good athletes. They have had a little struggle, but I have faith that they will make the changes they need to for us to make a good run in the playoffs. But if they don't, I will prepare for a new team and season in 2009 and continue to root for my team.

I would think that any adult fan on this site would know that the boys read these post and would be disheartened to see they're fans throwing in the towel on them before the season is even over.

Shame on you!!:mad:

Well, I am glad there are some people on here with some passion for the Cats. Don't get me wrong, I am still in their corner, but this team has NOT shown the intensity to make a big playoff run. I see all the games, I saw all of 2003 and nearly all the games for many, many years before that.
As much as I'd like to say otherwise, this bunch does not look good on defense. If it takes the old Maroondog to light a fire under their butt because the players read this board then GOOD!
I am also well aware of the pride and the tradition these kids have, so just start getting it done and stop making excuses about injuries, grades, etc.
Read my post. I said I will be the FIRST to come on here and eat crow if I am wrong. Prove me wrong, I would welcome it.

[teXan]

I realize that your PM is not available for some reason. However, you may PM me at any time.

If my PM isn't available, it's not from something I've done.

[teXan]

Bill Engvall, not Foxworthy

My bad. I don't find their type of humor funny so I'm not familiar with which character says what.

[stinger]

If my PM isn't available, it's not from something I've done.

I concur...probably a glitch somewhere. I think you can click on the "user CP" thread and modify.

[Gazelle]

Hell, all ya'll are right. Farmer is even more right.
We are going to get out a's whipped.
Stop Buckhead and why'd we come to the game.
Jeez, I don't even think we can beat the open week, much less Jesuit.
We'll limp into the playoffs, and by some miricle of God win the first game, and then have to play the mightly, All-World Trogans.
Might as well start getting out the BBalls now.

[hollywood]

You can blame it on the assistant coaches...not the head coach. He will take care of it this spring.

I believe in doing time when you do the crime. But having to put up with Plano Wildcat Fan like this is just silly. No it is sad.

[Bill4par]

I am not from Plano, and don't root for them, but I am a Burkhead fan. I don't believe all this. Plano's got 1 loss, thats it. They just need to get re-calibrated and stop listening to you folks. "it ain't over till it's over"

[NHB06]

I am not from Plano, and don't root for them, but I am a Burkhead fan. I don't believe all this. Plano's got 1 loss, thats it. They just need to get re-calibrated and stop listening to you folks. "it ain't over till it's over"

Exactly. Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[hollywood]

I am not from Plano, and don't root for them, but I am a Burkhead fan. I don't believe all this. Plano's got 1 loss, thats it. They just need to get re-calibrated and stop listening to you folks. "it ain't over till it's over"

That is well said sir. That is one of the things I do enjoy about this THSFB. You just never know. Folks like to pile on when they smell blood. Plano did win. Thay have only one loss. They are going to be very tough for anyone to beat in the playoffs. The demise of the Plano Wildcats has been greatly exaggerated.

[tjw]

"it ain't over till it's over"
Didn't some guy name Yogi say that? :confused:

I am not from Plano, and don't root for them Exactly. Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.

What that you're not from Plano and don't root for them? :confused::D

Folks like to pile on when they smell blood. Plano did win. Thay have only one loss. They are going to be very tough for anyone to beat in the playoffs. The demise of the Plano Wildcats has been greatly exaggerated.

Yes, Boyd did smell blood and almost, over used word almost, beat them but Plano still won and will still be in the playoffs and only time I root for them and other fellow district teams. :D

[The Original]

I wish Abilene, Allen, and Trinity could have played some of the Houston powerhouses(Woodlands,North shore, Pearland) before district to see who should really be ranked #1 :cool:

[tjw]

I wish Abilene, Allen, and Trinity could have played some of the Houston powerhouses(Woodlands,North shore, Pearland) before district to see who should really be ranked #1 :cool:

Why to confirm what we already know.:rolleyes::D

[The Original]

Why to confirm what we already know.:rolleyes::D

And how is this confirmed?

[Bill4par]

SLC & North SHore would have been a great game. I believe SLC would have been routed badly.:)

[teXan]

I wish Abilene, Allen, and Trinity could have played some of the Houston powerhouses(Woodlands,North shore, Pearland) before district to see who should really be ranked #1 :cool:

Trinity is ranked right where they belong. Great season against a tough schedule. :notworthy

That doesn't mean, however, that a team like The Woodlands can't roll in to town and get the better of them. No guarantees but it could happen.

[EastSIDE]

I knew that wasn't going to be a popular opinion, especially for a 1-loss team. I have always liked JM as a coordinator. I give him a lot of credit for changing Plano's fortunes the last several years. But this team isn't well coached. You can call people an idiot but how do you explain the poor tackling and absurd amount of penalties?

They are living off of Burkhead and a lot of offensive talent. Allen exposed all of the discipline problems, poor tackling, etc..

When Plano decides to clean the slate and get rid of the Gerald Brence way of doing things, then they will be real good every year...they need to revampt their special teams and start hitting again in practice so they can improve their blocking and tackling skills, get back to the little things that make good teams great...we did that under TK, shortened the playbook and worked on increasing the skill level, mental toughness, and overall meaness of everybody, and then ADHD Brence came in and if we had talent we won, but nobody got any better from the team offense-team defense walk through practices he used to run...but as far as this year, it sounds like Plano has had some key players/starter out for a few weeks, MBOYD had a week off to prepare for Plano, and although I think Allen is better it did sound like an off night for Plano, so what is all the panic about. If you want to hear/see panic you should have been at our game a few weeks ago, now everybody is just numb after last night. We were doing fine just running downhill at PW, then we would try to run some long pass play and it would be 2nd or 3rd and long and then we couldn't stop PW...we should have just pounded at them all night...PW got down and started fighting with each other after we scored our first TD, but I just don't get it sometimes. UGHHH

[Maroondog]

When Plano decides to clean the slate and get rid of the Gerald Brence way of doing things, then they will be real good every year...they need to revampt their special teams and start hitting again in practice so they can improve their blocking and tackling skills, get back to the little things that make good teams great...we did that under TK, shortened the playbook and worked on increasing the skill level, mental toughness, and overall meaness of everybody, and then ADHD Brence came in and if we had talent we won, but nobody got any better from the team offense-team defense walk through practices he used to run...but as far as this year, it sounds like Plano has had some key players/starter out for a few weeks, MBOYD had a week off to prepare for Plano, and although I think Allen is better it did sound like an off night for Plano, so what is all the panic about. If you want to hear/see panic you should have been at our game a few weeks ago, now everybody is just numb after last night. We were doing fine just running downhill at PW, then we would try to run some long pass play and it would be 2nd or 3rd and long and then we couldn't stop PW...we should have just pounded at them all night...PW got down and started fighting with each other after we scored our first TD, but I just don't get it sometimes. UGHHH

Needed badly. Defense cannot tackle right now except by attempting hand grabbing.

[tjw]

And how is this confirmed?

The obvious :D

SLC & North SHore would have been a great game. I believe SLC would have been routed badly.:)

If you beleived the opposite I would be disappointed in you. But knowing SLC I would believe they would have sent North Shore home with a loss. At the scheduled time SLC's defense was playing well so it could have got nasty like 49-14 or so.:p

Trinity is ranked right where they belong. Great season against a tough schedule. :notworthy

That doesn't mean, however, that a team like The Woodlands can't roll in to town and get the better of them. No guarantees but it could happen.

Also, doesn't mean it would just because you think so. :eek: Get to state and I guess we'll see.

[PWCF03]

I don't see Plano winning against Jesuit.

[tjw]

I don't see Plano winning against Jesuit.

Could be like Boyd game???:eek:

Anytime Jesuit is inside your 45 they are in FG range.;)

[NHB06]

I don't see Plano winning against Jesuit.

Plano will beat Jesuit but not by much. The Plano/Jesuit game means nothing. Plano should be preparing for the 1st round of the playoffs at this point. Working on improved tackling and minimizing the stupid penalties.

[tjw]

Plano will beat Jesuit but not by much. The Plano/Jesuit game means nothing. Plano should be preparing for the 1st round of the playoffs at this point. Working on improved tackling and minimizing the stupid penalties.

Looks like we pretty much know who that will be against after DV beat SGP unless something changes.;)

[Maroondog]

Plano will beat Jesuit but not by much. The Plano/Jesuit game means nothing. Plano should be preparing for the 1st round of the playoffs at this point. Working on improved tackling and minimizing the stupid penalties.

If Plano loses to Jesuit with two weeks to prepare and the playoffs next, what kind of statement would that make?

[NHB06]

If Plano loses to Jesuit with two weeks to prepare and the playoffs next, what kind of statement would that make?

Who cares what type of statement that makes. How many times have you seen Judson barely squeek into the playoffs and end up in the state title game. Its all about how you play in the playoffs, not the last game of district.

[Wildcat Band]

Does anyone know why Kris Lott was ejected from this game?

[Bill4par]

In my opinion, the best teams in the State right now in this order are Trinity, Abilene, The Woodlands. Abilene has some freakish numbers. The other usual suspects ( Allen, Plano, SLC ) its a matter of whose offense starts & stays hot. It is always interesting.

[tjw]

In my opinion, the best teams in the State right now in this order are Trinity, Abilene, The Woodlands. Abilene has some freakish numbers. The other usual suspects ( Allen, Plano, SLC ) its a matter of whose offense starts & stays hot. It is always interesting.

Little hesitant on Abilene, they looked good against PESH but then again everyone does this year. They have not really played anyone in the top 25 in the state, unless you count 4A Dunbar? Reminds me too much of Plano before the Allen game where they were rated #2 even though they had not really played anyone. Richland will be the best team they face but still think they have alot to prove so I would bet on Abilene to win. Not saying they don't have the talent just looks like they didn't schedule non-district against any top teams?

[dragonsdaddy]

Little hesitant on Abilene, they looked good against PESH but then again everyone does this year. They have not really played anyone in the top 25 in the state, unless you count 4A Dunbar? Reminds me too much of Plano before the Allen game where they were rated #2 even though they had not really played anyone. Richland will be the best team they face but still think they have alot to prove so I would bet on Abilene to win. Not saying they don't have the talent just looks like they didn't schedule non-district against any top teams?

you have witnessed your eagles get strummed by a dragon team with an equally unimposing reg season. the good ahs eagles may be untested, but they are the real deal and you would be better off missing them in the pos. you can probably breathe easier that a certain panther team is in complete failure too-ie no dragons.

[WildcatFan2]

I'm about a week late in responding, but feel I must. :)

Plano may get the players back who were out due to grades, depends on the transcript delivered on the 6th.

In this game, Plano was without Robinson(Robertson) due to an ankle injury (not suited out) and Lott had his bell rung in the first quarter and was getting treatment on the sideline the whole game.

The turnovers were 1) a mishandled punt by Rex, 2) a hand off exchange late in the 4th, 3) and a VERY questionable fumble by Hoetger who was hit as he received the ball and never really had possession. Still... there were 3 turnovers and a missed extra point.

It looked like the defense was trying new things, maybe due to starters being out? The Skinner brothers didn't play much and Boyd exploited the middle of the field - it appeared the defense was setting up to take away the outside by spreadin way out and leaving the middle open. Corners were moved to linebacker, and new players were at corner.

I saw Boyd against Wylie and this Boyd team was night and day different. Moving Alves to RB was a good move as it gives their offense dual threats.

Turnovers hurt Plano bad against Allen, but Allen was just a better team that night - period.

If Plano gets the guys back and makes it out of the Jesuit game injury free, they should be set up well for D'ville.

[tjw]

you have witnessed your eagles get strummed by a dragon team with an equally unimposing reg season. the good ahs eagles may be untested, but they are the real deal and you would be better off missing them in the pos. you can probably breathe easier that a certain panther team is in complete failure too-ie no dragons.

I don't think it would bother the Allen Eagles one bit to be in the EASIER DII this year. :D

What because Allen always had a beat up team throughout a tough season schedule and still came out 9-1 or so and had to play more top teams so that by time they got to SLC game a lot of the starters were injured on the sideline so they did not play well and was a major difference in the outcome? I see you guys struggle with this so far throught the season this year, even losing to Coppell versus the easy district you were in.

I did not say Abilene was not a good team and watched their PESH game with them and made lots of friends. All I said is they just have not played anyone so far this year so untested just like Plano was. Then when they played a ranked team they lost big and it almost extend to the next weeks game when they struggled against a weaker team. So when someone put them in the same level as Trinity who has played ranked teams and won I'm not sure that qualifies. BTW BillPar put you and Plano along with Allen as the usual suspects, not as the best teams in the state so seemed a little strange attacking me? :confused: :D

[AllenEagle06]

I'm about a week late in responding, but feel I must. :)

Plano may get the players back who were out due to grades, depends on the transcript delivered on the 6th.

In this game, Plano was without Robinson(Robertson) due to an ankle injury (not suited out) and Lott had his bell rung in the first quarter and was getting treatment on the sideline the whole game.

The turnovers were 1) a mishandled punt by Rex, 2) a hand off exchange late in the 4th, 3) and a VERY questionable fumble by Hoetger who was hit as he received the ball and never really had possession. Still... there were 3 turnovers and a missed extra point.

It looked like the defense was trying new things, maybe due to starters being out? The Skinner brothers didn't play much and Boyd exploited the middle of the field - it appeared the defense was setting up to take away the outside by spreadin way out and leaving the middle open. Corners were moved to linebacker, and new players were at corner.

I saw Boyd against Wylie and this Boyd team was night and day different. Moving Alves to RB was a good move as it gives their offense dual threats.

Turnovers hurt Plano bad against Allen, but Allen was just a better team that night - period.

If Plano gets the guys back and makes it out of the Jesuit game injury free, they should be set up well for D'ville.
PWF? Isn't it about time that your ban should be lifted by now?

[WildcatFan2]

PWF? Isn't it about time that your ban should be lifted by now?

PWF? Ban? :confused:

I believe Allen goes deep and gets past Permian in round3. Plano will have to get past a tough D'Ville team in round 1 and I think they can, they then get the "pleasure" of a possible rematch with Trinity- Whoa Nelly!

[tjw]

PWF? Ban? :confused:

I believe Allen goes deep and gets past Permian in round3. Plano will have to get past a tough D'Ville team in round 1 and I think they can, they then get the "pleasure" of a possible rematch with Trinity- Whoa Nelly!

I think this will happen...can not say who I think will win as it depends on to many factors at this point.

Love to see all 8-5A win the first round at least if not 2nd too. ;)