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saMavsFan
10-18-2008, 11:01 PM
AND THEN THERE WERE FIVE!! Another big week in 265a!! One thing is for sure, no one is safe in this district. With only 3 more weeks to go, nearly all the same questions about the playoff race are still well intact.
SV had a well deserved BYE week after beating Madison in week 6, but Madison came back strong in week 7, rolling over Churchill 44-21! New Braunfels, in its first return to 265a in over a decade, will miss the playoffs after losing to Reagan this week. Reagan proved that their defense is among the elite in Region 4, causing 6 NB turnovers including 5 interceptions!:eek: Roosevelt continued to roll through district, notching their 5th straight district win. And MacArthur punished Lee after struggling in their first three district games.
Great week, with another one coming up! Fantastic job 265a!
Week 7
Reagan...27..NB...6
Roosevelt...43..Johnson...6 (Please correct me, I'm not sure I have this right)
Madison...44..Churchill...21
MacArthur...42..Lee...27
SV: BYE
Week 8
Roosevelt vs. Mac (saMavsFan's Game of the Week!!)
SV vs. Churchill
Madison vs. Lee
Reagan vs. Johnson
NB: BYE
Wagnerdad
10-18-2008, 11:48 PM
Why did you pick Roosy And Mac as your game of the week? Roosy should win that pretty easy!!
Why did you pick Roosy And Mac as your game of the week? Roosy should win that pretty easy!!
Who else is he going to pick.....
saMavsFan
10-19-2008, 12:10 AM
Why did you pick Roosy And Mac as your game of the week? Roosy should win that pretty easy!!
I think so too, however it has huge implications on the playoff race. Not to mention that the other teams have cake walk this week.
uhsfilmcrew
10-19-2008, 01:00 AM
I think so too, however it has huge implications on the playoff race. Not to mention that the other teams have cake walk this week.
Ha. Well at least that game is the kind of closest one than the rest. looks like a quiet week for "The 265".
saMavsFan
10-19-2008, 01:06 AM
Well there are still five teams in the running for a playoff spot. I'm too tired right now to do the math, but suffice it to say, if Mac loses to Roosevelt this week it essentially seals the four playoff teams no matter what order they're in.
I'm sure there are probably some contingencies where there is a slight chance it can change after that, but I think the other teams playing this week would have to lose. With the match-ups being what they are, I don't see that happening.
patient1019
10-19-2008, 01:56 AM
As much as Mac winning would thrill me, I don't see it happening. Which is a bummer because its their homecoming game.
Mac has lost focus, and its evident in the fact that they struggled mightily against a weakened Churchill team and then had to mount a fourth quarter surge to overcome LEE, of all teams. Mac has talent, but its underutilized. I'm starting to doubt Van Fuschak as a coach. Too often he's been asked enthusiastically about the team's strengths and chances and he always complains about our lack of size or depth. And whatever happened to our blitzkrieg offense? We spend more time watching Killough run East and West for 2 yard gains than anything else.
I think Mac needs to a) stop playing garbage teams in the preseason (QUIT with Marshall and Taft already) and b) get someone aggressive on the sidelines. I sometimes think Fuschak is content with whatever happens.
uhsfilmcrew
10-19-2008, 02:02 AM
As much as Mac winning would thrill me, I don't see it happening. Which is a bummer because its their homecoming game.
Mac has lost focus, and its evident in the fact that they struggled mightily against a weakened Churchill team and then had to mount a fourth quarter surge to overcome LEE, of all teams. Mac has talent, but its underutilized. I'm starting to doubt Van Fuschak as a coach. Too often he's been asked enthusiastically about the team's strengths and chances and he always complains about our lack of size or depth. And whatever happened to our blitzkrieg offense? We spend more time watching Killough run East and West for 2 yard gains than anything else.
I think Mac needs to a) stop playing garbage teams in the preseason (QUIT with Marshall and Taft already) and b) get someone aggressive on the sidelines. I sometimes think Fuschak is content with whatever happens.
There were wayyyy much better my freshman year. they needa play tough teams in the preseason, so they can actually evaluate and plan of what they need to improve on. come district, and get back on track.
saMavsFan
10-19-2008, 03:19 AM
Sometimes I think that playing one cream puff team, especially for a young group, is good for a confidence builder. But it always leaves questions. Your young team builds confidence against weaker teams, but no one really knows how good they are until the match up against a strong team. Then, if they get beaten, there goes the confidence. You just have to find a balance I suppose. Like Madison playing O'Connor in the pre-season. They've never beaten Madison, so its like a measuring stick. One of these years they may beat us, but until then its like...well we've gotten the O'Connor game under our belts, what's next?
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 04:24 AM
TR had better take Mac seriously. TR mailed in the Johnson game. If they play the same way they did last night, Mac has a shot at them.
But, the offense score 43 and had 3 more TD's called back. The 1st team defense only allowed Johnson to pass the 50 yd line 2 times. The 2nd team defense played for about a qtr and a third, then the 3rd team was able to get a couple of series at the end of the game.
Watching TR's offense is like watching "Controlled Chaos". Okay, maybe not "controlled" all the time, but definitely a bunch of Chaos. But, the offensive play calling has been a little too much....... east and west, early in games. Once Coach LaHue quits trying to expand the offense every week, and sticks to what this group does best, a deep run into the playoffs are possible.
Oh, TR has a new student on the team. A kid from Jacksonville, Florida.
UH........ everybody........... this kid is a larger Brandon Armstrong. TR has gotten a gift from the football gods. Another STRONG, FAST, tailback. We get to see him next week vs Mac. Didn't play this week because he's only been here a little over a week. But, has impressed in practice. ;)
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 04:36 AM
Sometimes I think that playing one cream puff team, especially for a young group, is good for a confidence builder. But it always leaves questions. Your young team builds confidence against weaker teams, but no one really knows how good they are until the match up against a strong team. Then, if they get beaten, there goes the confidence. You just have to find a balance I suppose. Like Madison playing O'Connor in the pre-season. They've never beaten Madison, so its like a measuring stick. One of these years they may beat us, but until then its like...well we've gotten the O'Connor game under our belts, what's next?
If you look at it from O'Connor's side of things, playing Madison in pre-season, has helped build that program.
I remember reading something about Warren wanting to following O'Connor's plan for scheduling. Can't remember exactly what the article said, but in essence it said something like, "To be a legit program, one must play legit progams." :D
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 04:40 AM
As much as Mac winning would thrill me, I don't see it happening. Which is a bummer because its their homecoming game.
Mac has lost focus, and its evident in the fact that they struggled mightily against a weakened Churchill team and then had to mount a fourth quarter surge to overcome LEE, of all teams. Mac has talent, but its underutilized. I'm starting to doubt Van Fuschak as a coach. Too often he's been asked enthusiastically about the team's strengths and chances and he always complains about our lack of size or depth. And whatever happened to our blitzkrieg offense? We spend more time watching Killough run East and West for 2 yard gains than anything else.
I think Mac needs to a) stop playing garbage teams in the preseason (QUIT with Marshall and Taft already) and b) get someone aggressive on the sidelines. I sometimes think Fuschak is content with whatever happens.
You and I will be friends forever !!! Go BOSOX !!! Forced a game 7 !!
:o
Sorry, just lost my mind for a second. :D
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 05:55 AM
AND THEN THERE WERE FIVE!! Another big week in 265a!! One thing is for sure, no one is safe in this district. With only 3 more weeks to go, nearly all the same questions about the playoff race are still well intact.
SV had a well deserved BYE week after beating Madison in week 6, but Madison came back strong in week 7, rolling over Churchill 44-21! New Braunfels, in its first return to 265a in over a decade, will miss the playoffs after losing to Reagan this week. Reagan proved that their defense is among the elite in Region 4, causing 6 NB turnovers including 5 interceptions!:eek: Roosevelt continued to roll through district, notching their 5th straight district win. And MacArthur punished Lee after struggling in their first three district games.
Great week, with another one coming up! Fantastic job 265a!
Week 7
Reagan...27..NB...6
Roosevelt...43..Johnson...6 (Please correct me, I'm not sure I have this right)
Madison...44..Churchill...21
MacArthur...42..Lee...27
SV: BYE
Week 8
Roosevelt vs. Mac (saMavsFan's Game of the Week!!)
SV vs. Churchill
Madison vs. Lee
Reagan vs. Johnson
NB: BYE
You are correct, sir. :D
mad_fan
10-19-2008, 07:02 AM
...but Madison came back strong in week 7, rolling over Churchill 44-21!
At this point in the season I see it differently...
Look at Churchill's scoring this year...
SA Clark (7-1)...16...
SA Marshall (2-6)...7...
SA Roosevelt (6-1)...7...
SA Reagan (5-2)...7...
New Braunfels (4-4)...0...
SA Johnson (1-7)...28...
SA MacArthur (5-2)...0...
SA Madison (6-1)...21...
The ONLY team...besides Madison...that they've hung 20+ on is Johnson...
Without a D...Madison will make an early exit this year...
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 07:12 AM
At this point in the season I see it differently...
Look at Churchill's scoring this year...
SA Clark (7-1)...16...
SA Marshall (2-6)...7...
SA Roosevelt (6-1)...7...
SA Reagan (5-2)...7...
New Braunfels (4-4)...0...
SA Johnson (1-7)...28...
SA MacArthur (5-2)...0...
SA Madison (6-1)...21...
The ONLY team...besides Madison...that they've hung 20+ on is Johnson...
Without a D...Madison will make an early exit this year...
There is still a few games left before the second season. Never know, Streety could hit on a combo that jump starts the Madison D.
Besides, that offense is something special. 40 ppg is nothing to sneeze at.
:D
DiamondJ2
10-19-2008, 08:50 AM
Is Churchill plagued with numerous injuries this year?
As much as Mac winning would thrill me, I don't see it happening. Which is a bummer because its their homecoming game.
Mac has lost focus, and its evident in the fact that they struggled mightily against a weakened Churchill team and then had to mount a fourth quarter surge to overcome LEE, of all teams. Mac has talent, but its underutilized. I'm starting to doubt Van Fuschak as a coach. Too often he's been asked enthusiastically about the team's strengths and chances and he always complains about our lack of size or depth. And whatever happened to our blitzkrieg offense? We spend more time watching Killough run East and West for 2 yard gains than anything else.
I think Mac needs to a) stop playing garbage teams in the preseason (QUIT with Marshall and Taft already) and b) get someone aggressive on the sidelines. I sometimes think Fuschak is content with whatever happens.
2006 Mac was in the State Semi's. Has Fuschak forgotten how to coach in one season??? How long has it been since coach Hill and SV has won a Regional Championship? Or Reagan, Roosevelt, Churchill, etc, etc, etc?
AND THEN THERE WERE FIVE!! Another big week in 265a!! One thing is for sure, no one is safe in this district. With only 3 more weeks to go, nearly all the same questions about the playoff race are still well intact.
SV had a well deserved BYE week after beating Madison in week 6, but Madison came back strong in week 7, rolling over Churchill 44-21! New Braunfels, in its first return to 265a in over a decade, will miss the playoffs after losing to Reagan this week. Reagan proved that their defense is among the elite in Region 4, causing 6 NB turnovers including 5 interceptions!:eek: Roosevelt continued to roll through district, notching their 5th straight district win. And MacArthur punished Lee after struggling in their first three district games.
Great week, with another one coming up! Fantastic job 265a!
Week 7
Reagan...27..NB...6
Roosevelt...43..Johnson...6 (Please correct me, I'm not sure I have this right)
Madison...44..Churchill...21
MacArthur...42..Lee...27
SV: BYE
Week 8
Roosevelt vs. Mac (saMavsFan's Game of the Week!!)
SV vs. Churchill
Madison vs. Lee
Reagan vs. Johnson
NB: BYE
Mac (upset special)
SV
Madison
Reagan
Which will lead to the four 265A playoff teams:
SV
Madison
Reagan
Mac
TR will miss the playoffs by losing their last three games (tying Mac with 3 losses, but losing head to head)
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 09:32 AM
2006 Mac was in the State Semi's. Has Fuschak forgotten how to coach in one season??? How long has it been since coach Hill and SV has won a Regional Championship? Or Reagan, Roosevelt, Churchill, etc, etc, etc?
TR won a title in the not too distant past. ;)
But, I agree, Mac just doesn't have as many players as the Big 4. (SV, Reagan, Madison, TR) The coach can't pass, run, catch, and tackle for the kids.
shooter
10-19-2008, 09:37 AM
Johnson will beat Reagan!
ok never mind
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 09:38 AM
Mac (upset special)
SV
Madison
Reagan
Which will lead to the four 265A playoff teams:
SV
Madison
Reagan
Mac
TR will miss the playoffs by losing their last three games (tying Mac with 3 losses, but losing head to head)
I have some ocean front property in Oklahoma to sell you, CHEAP !!
You have to be a Mac fan. Only a Mac fan can believe that they can beat TR.
Mac struggles with the likes of Churchill and Lee. Gets run out of the stadium vs SV and Madison. Still has to play TR, Reagan, and NB. Mac will be lucky to win a quarter, let alone, a game.
TR won a title in the not too distant past. ;)
But, I agree, Mac just doesn't have as many players as the Big 4. (SV, Reagan, Madison, TR) The coach can't pass, run, catch, and tackle for the kids.
1995 would be a pretty distant past (13 years). TR has not won anything in 5A since then.
TR will lose to SV and Madison straight up and will choke this week.
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 10:03 AM
1995 would be a pretty distant past (13 years). TR has not won anything in 5A since then.
TR will lose to SV and Madison straight up and will choke this week.
Choke ?? Choke ??
What are you talking about ?? You think Mac is better than Reagan ??
Better than NB ??
Let me let you in on a pretty well known fact.
Your current MacArthur football team has never beaten this TR team. Not in middle school, when we we're winning district titles. Not freshman year when we beat you by 30. Not last year when we were Soph's on Varsity. Matter of fact, not only will TR beat Mac. They will now destroy them. Thanks for the bulletin board material.
Choke :rolleyes:, then only thing that will be choked is the Mac offense when TR defense rises up as one and slaps you back down to reality. ;)
Choke ?? Choke ??
What are you talking about ?? You think Mac is better than Reagan ??
Better than NB ??
Let me let you in on a pretty well known fact.
Your current MacArthur football team has never beaten this TR team. Not in middle school, when we we're winning district titles. Not freshman year when we beat you by 30. Not last year when we were Soph's on Varsity. Matter of fact, not only will TR beat Mac. They will now destroy them. Thanks for the bulletin board material.
Choke :rolleyes:, then only thing that will be choked is the Mac offense when TR defense rises up as one and slaps you back down to reality. ;)
Mac's final three games should go like this:
TR - win (TR looking ahead to Madison)
Reagan - loss
NB - win (NB will have nothing to play for)
saMavsFan
10-19-2008, 10:34 AM
Mac's final three games should go like this:
TR - win (TR looking ahead to Madison)
Reagan - loss
NB - win (NB will have nothing to play for)
I'm not sure that that's the TR team this year. I had my questions during pre-season about how good they'd be, and even more questions after the Tivy game. Some of those questions were answered when Madison played Tivy the following week, and the others have been answered along the way.
No one should sleep on Roosevelt.
The biggest question they've answered for me is just how disciplined they are. They won't be looking ahead to anyone. Remember that TR losing record you were talking about. They've got issues with every team in 265a. I think TR is out to prove to each and every team in the district how good they are.
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 10:36 AM
Mac's final three games should go like this:
TR - win (TR looking ahead to Madison)
Reagan - loss
NB - win (NB will have nothing to play for)
OK, what gives you the belief that Mac beats, TR ?
Can't be that "tough" schedule they've played.
WINS
Marshall 2-6 42-0
Taft 3-5 28-0
Johnson 1-7 35-7
Churchill 1-7 12-0
Lee 2-5 42-27
Loses
Madison 6-1 47-28 (after a bye)
SV 6-1 30-7
Looks to me, once Mac has to play a talented team, they get smacked.
TR, on the other hand........
Wins
Wagner 3-4 34-7
Churchill 1-7 52-7
Lee 2-5 42-20 (with only 3 days prep)
Reagan 5-2 12-7
NB 4-4 12-7 (@NB)
Johnson 1-7 43-6
Loss
1st game of the year.
Kerrville Tivy 6-1 49-28
Since the first game, the TR defense has given up 54 points in 6 games. Forced 17 turnovers, gobbled up 13 sacks and held opponents to just under 190 yds a game.
We have scored better and defended better than Mac. VS better teams.
SO, explain to me, how does Mac beat TR. :confused:
wizenbud
10-19-2008, 10:39 AM
I'm not sure that that's the TR team this year. I had my questions during pre-season about how good they'd be, and even more questions after the Tivy game. Some of those questions were answered when Madison played Tivy the following week, and the others have been answered along the way.
No one should sleep on Roosevelt.
The biggest question they've answered for me is just how disciplined they are. They won't be looking ahead to anyone. Remember that TR losing record you were talking about. They've got issues with every team in 265a. I think TR is out to prove to each and every team in the district how good they are.
AMEN !! :notworthy
MADFAN#1
10-19-2008, 11:50 AM
I think that TR will have their way with Mac this week. When the dust clears from this weekend, playoffs will be pretty well set.
Smithson Valley will win district by winning out.
Madison will go D1 with TR game determining seeding
TR will go D1 with Mad game determining seeding
Reagan will end up with 2nd seed in D2
Just my opinion:)
shooter
10-19-2008, 11:57 AM
Johnson will beat Reagan
ok never mind
saMavsFan
10-19-2008, 12:33 PM
Was I that wrong to think Johnson would get at least 1 district win this year!?! I thought maybe they'd pick it up against Churchill or Lee. I mean, look at Brandies...I know its 285a, but still. Anyway, there's a lot left to be played in this district. Even with 3 weeks left, nothing is decided. Here are the district standings. Teams in bold still have a shot at the playoffs. Best part is, 4/5 of those teams have a chance to be district champions.
1. Roosevelt 6-1; 5-0
2. Reagan 5-2; 4-1
3. SV 6-1; 4-1
4. Madison 6-1; 4-1
5. Mac 5-2; 3-2
6. NB 4-4; 2-4
7. Lee 2-5; 1-4
8. Churchill 1-7; 1-6
9. Johson 1-7; 0-6
2,3,4 are all messed up. I don't know a better word for it at the moment. Reagan beat SV, SV beat Madison, but Madison has yet to play Reagan and Roosevelt. SV has yet to play Roosevelt. Reagan still has to play Madison, NB, and Mac. And Roosevelt has to play Madison, SV, and Mac.:eek:
SaRattlerFan
10-19-2008, 01:15 PM
I think that TR will have their way with Mac this week. When the dust clears from this weekend, playoffs will be pretty well set.
Smithson Valley will win district by winning out.
Madison will go D1 with TR game determining seeding
TR will go D1 with Mad game determining seeding
Reagan will end up with 2nd seed in D2
Just my opinion:)
As I said last week when the majority on this board were picking NB, we at Regan like it when you underestimate this team.
I'm taking TR over Madison!
MADFAN#1
10-19-2008, 01:35 PM
As I said last week when the majority on this board were picking NB, we at Regan like it when you underestimate this team.
I'm taking TR over Madison!
I am not underestimating Reagan but if I pick SV to win district then Reagan has to be the 2nd seed in D2. Madison and TR have a larger enrollment than Reagan so they will go D1.
SaRattlerFan
10-19-2008, 03:18 PM
I am not underestimating Reagan but if I pick SV to win district then Reagan has to be the 2nd seed in D2. Madison and TR have a larger enrollment than Reagan so they will go D1.
The only way SV wins the district over Reagan is if Reagan loses again. I'm assuming you think they will lose to Madison or possibly Mac, thus the reason I stated you are underestimating Reagan once again.
That's fine, we do like being the underdogs.
patient1019
10-19-2008, 07:01 PM
2006 Mac was in the State Semi's. Has Fuschak forgotten how to coach in one season??? How long has it been since coach Hill and SV has won a Regional Championship? Or Reagan, Roosevelt, Churchill, etc, etc, etc?
Fuschak was handed that opportunity. Believe me, being at Mac that year was unbelievable, but without Johnathan Craig, where would we have gone? Fuschak, IMO, gets fired about about trying to battle through this district when he thinks he has a legitimate reason to. Mac had all the pieces of their 06 squad in 2005 and underachieved dramatically, going 5-5. Mac schedules notoriously weak teams to start the season, then runs into a wall early in district. THEN, and I know this because I have many friends on the football team, the players lose morale because SV or Madison took them to the woodshed. A major part of coaching is giving your kids reason to believe that losses are one time deals and nothing else. Mac is notorious for getting slaughtered by a district powerhouse and collapsing after that. 2006 was a good year for them because Johnathan Craig was handed the offense to carry, and because 05 losses to Reagan and Madison were overcome thanks to hiccup years for those programs in 06. Mac went out and did what they should have that year, but I don't think its because of Fuschak's coaching. Once the kids took out Churchill, it didn't matter who was coaching them. We essentially became self sufficient.
I notice also that our offense is often not utilized. We try too hard to run plays to the outside that frequently fail against teams like Madison and Reagan, when our strength is clearly to try and blast down the middle either through the air (currently our MAJOR strength) or on the ground.
patient1019
10-19-2008, 07:04 PM
Choke ?? Choke ??
What are you talking about ?? You think Mac is better than Reagan ??
Better than NB ??
Let me let you in on a pretty well known fact.
Your current MacArthur football team has never beaten this TR team. Not in middle school, when we we're winning district titles. Not freshman year when we beat you by 30. Not last year when we were Soph's on Varsity. Matter of fact, not only will TR beat Mac. They will now destroy them. Thanks for the bulletin board material.
Choke :rolleyes:, then only thing that will be choked is the Mac offense when TR defense rises up as one and slaps you back down to reality. ;)
TR better watch out in the next four years - Garner has unbelievable size and speed (and feeds entirely into Mac) and Driscoll (half Mac, half Madison) performed well against Harris (mostly Madison) and held serve against Ed White, who also has immense size.
Mac should have the talent to compete for the next couple of years, especially with Killough at the helm of the offense. This year, however, Mac has quite a challenge ahead of them.
MADFAN#1
10-19-2008, 07:27 PM
TR better watch out in the next four years - Garner has unbelievable size and speed (and feeds entirely into Mac) and Driscoll (half Mac, half Madison) performed well against Harris (mostly Madison) and held serve against Ed White, who also has immense size.
Mac should have the talent to compete for the next couple of years, especially with Killough at the helm of the offense. This year, however, Mac has quite a challenge ahead of them.
More like 75 Mac 25 Mad. Very difficult to extrapolate middle school success with High School success. :)
saMavsFan
10-19-2008, 08:15 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Fuschak sounds like a cuss word?:D
Fuschak was handed that opportunity. Believe me, being at Mac that year was unbelievable, but without Johnathan Craig, where would we have gone? Fuschak, IMO, gets fired about about trying to battle through this district when he thinks he has a legitimate reason to. Mac had all the pieces of their 06 squad in 2005 and underachieved dramatically, going 5-5. Mac schedules notoriously weak teams to start the season, then runs into a wall early in district. THEN, and I know this because I have many friends on the football team, the players lose morale because SV or Madison took them to the woodshed. A major part of coaching is giving your kids reason to believe that losses are one time deals and nothing else. Mac is notorious for getting slaughtered by a district powerhouse and collapsing after that. 2006 was a good year for them because Johnathan Craig was handed the offense to carry, and because 05 losses to Reagan and Madison were overcome thanks to hiccup years for those programs in 06. Mac went out and did what they should have that year, but I don't think its because of Fuschak's coaching. Once the kids took out Churchill, it didn't matter who was coaching them. We essentially became self sufficient.
I notice also that our offense is often not utilized. We try too hard to run plays to the outside that frequently fail against teams like Madison and Reagan, when our strength is clearly to try and blast down the middle either through the air (currently our MAJOR strength) or on the ground.
Reagan went to the Regional finals in 06. I would not call that a hiccup year. But how many Regional Championships did Churchill win with Fanuzzi or Reagan win with Marcus Wright? No matter how you slice it, winning the region is tough. Madison has only won it twice since 1980 (1984 and 2007). Fuschak does deserve some credit for doing it in 06.
SaRattlerFan
10-19-2008, 09:25 PM
Fuschak was handed that opportunity. Believe me, being at Mac that year was unbelievable, but without Johnathan Craig, where would we have gone? Fuschak, IMO, gets fired about about trying to battle through this district when he thinks he has a legitimate reason to. Mac had all the pieces of their 06 squad in 2005 and underachieved dramatically, going 5-5. Mac schedules notoriously weak teams to start the season, then runs into a wall early in district. THEN, and I know this because I have many friends on the football team, the players lose morale because SV or Madison took them to the woodshed. A major part of coaching is giving your kids reason to believe that losses are one time deals and nothing else. Mac is notorious for getting slaughtered by a district powerhouse and collapsing after that. 2006 was a good year for them because Johnathan Craig was handed the offense to carry, and because 05 losses to Reagan and Madison were overcome thanks to hiccup years for those programs in 06. Mac went out and did what they should have that year, but I don't think its because of Fuschak's coaching. Once the kids took out Churchill, it didn't matter who was coaching them. We essentially became self sufficient.
I notice also that our offense is often not utilized. We try too hard to run plays to the outside that frequently fail against teams like Madison and Reagan, when our strength is clearly to try and blast down the middle either through the air (currently our MAJOR strength) or on the ground.
Reagan made it to the Quarterfinals in 06 - lost to Westlake.
SaRattlerFan
10-19-2008, 09:30 PM
Reagan went to the Regional finals in 06. I would not call that a hiccup year. But how many Regional Championships did Churchill win with Fanuzzi or Reagan win with Marcus Wright? No matter how you slice it, winning the region is tough. Madison has only won it twice since 1980 (1984 and 2007). Fuschak does deserve some credit for doing it in 06.
You need all phases of the game to make it to state. Reagan didn't have a very good D in 06 and 07. Best chance was last year and Wright was hobbled in the quarterfinal game against Judson. He played, but wasn't himself on the bad ankle.
Reaganrattler07
10-19-2008, 10:09 PM
Reagan went to the Regional finals in 06. I would not call that a hiccup year. But how many Regional Championships did Churchill win with Fanuzzi or Reagan win with Marcus Wright? No matter how you slice it, winning the region is tough. Madison has only won it twice since 1980 (1984 and 2007). Fuschak does deserve some credit for doing it in 06.
Mac is the oldest school in NEISD. (by far)
How many State Championships does it have?
Reagan made it to the Quarterfinals in 06 - lost to Westlake.
Uh....State quarterfinals are the same thing as the regional finals
Mac is the oldest school in NEISD. (by far)
How many State Championships does it have?
Your school must first win a regional championship before you are aloud to join the State Championship conversation. We'll acknowledge you when Reagan gets a regional trophy.
uhsfilmcrew
10-19-2008, 10:43 PM
The 295 is almost the exact situation as the 265. half of the teams are easy to beat. and the top 4 are fighting for there playoff spots. but each team is tough no matter what the circumstances are.
295
1.) San Antonio Southwest
2.) Del Rio
3.) Laredo United
4.) Laredo Alexander
just turn the 9 upside down and youll get......
265
1.) San Antonio Roosevelt
2.) Smithson Valley
3.) San Antonio Madison
4.) San Antonio Reagan
Mac is the oldest school in NEISD. (by far)
How many State Championships does it have?
In fact, Reagan is the only current 265A school to have never won at least a regional championship (and no, Reagan can no longer use the "new school" excuse)
SaRattlerFan
10-19-2008, 11:21 PM
Uh....State quarterfinals are the same thing as the regional finals
Uh........................I think I know that and the response was to a post that said Reagan was down in 2006.
Sorry I didn't read your brilliant post before responding
SaRattlerFan
10-19-2008, 11:27 PM
Your school must first win a regional championship before you are aloud to join the State Championship conversation. We'll acknowledge you when Reagan gets a regional trophy.
Who do you follow again (I'm assuming MAC) and how many times has Reagan kicked your a$$ in recent years (2 of the last 3 if MAC). Two straight trips to the "regional final" and you're out for blood on Reagan? We can have this war if you want it. The school has been open less than 10 years and been in the regional finals twice and you say we are not worthy to join a conversation?
patient1019
10-19-2008, 11:56 PM
Reagan made it to the Quarterfinals in 06 - lost to Westlake.
Clarify:
Reagan started 1-4 that year because Wetzel was still moving players around until the team clicked (which it did, quite well). Mac had already slammed them by the time that happened.
So not a hiccup "year" for Reagan, but a bad start to a good season that Mac was fortunate to get in on.
BandidoNB
10-20-2008, 01:56 AM
As I said last week when the majority on this board were picking NB, we at Regan like it when you underestimate this team.
I'm taking TR over Madison!
Then why were you calling us out on it; I just wouldnt have said anything.. well, thats what I do anyways. Difference tho is that NB doesnt win :(
saMavsFan
10-20-2008, 03:12 AM
Discussing the Mac/Reagan history is a moot point. Mac just doesn't have it this year. They'll have a good base for the next two years with Clint Killough as QB, but they won't be able to beat TR or Reagan in the coming weeks. The NB/Mac game will be a good one.
At this point, though nothing is final, I feel safe in saying the four playoff teams will be Reagan, Madison, Roosevelt, and Smithson Valley. How those four teams shake out in the rankings is all that is up in the air for me right now.
Mac has two losses. If they win out, they've got a chance to make the playoffs if:
Madison loses to Roosevelt and Reagan
or
Roosevelt loses to Mac, Madison, and SV
SV loses to Lee/Churchill:rolleyes: and Roosevelt
Reagan loses to Mac and Madison
It's looking pretty grim.
wizenbud
10-20-2008, 04:08 AM
Discussing the Mac/Reagan history is a moot point. Mac just doesn't have it this year. They'll have a good base for the next two years with Clint Killough as QB, but they won't be able to beat TR or Roosevelt in the coming weeks. The NB/Mac game will be a good one.
At this point, though nothing is final, I feel safe in saying the four playoff teams will be Reagan, Madison, Roosevelt, and Smithson Valley. How those four teams shake out in the rankings is all that is up in the air for me right now.
Mac has two losses. If they win out, they've got a chance to make the playoffs if:
Madison loses to Roosevelt and Reagan
or
Roosevelt loses to Mac, Madison, and SV
SV loses to Lee/Churchill:rolleyes: and Roosevelt
Reagan loses to Mac and Madison
It's looking pretty grim.
saMavsFan really meant Reagan.
But, I agree, Mac should be MUCH better next year. As will a lot of 26-5A teams. I know TR and Madison are underclassmen heavy. I THINK, not really sure, but isn't SV Jr heavy ? I thought I heard something about that. Though, I could be totally wrong on that count. :D Then, you have New Braunfels. Which should be ready to fight for a playoff spot after a tough 1st year.
As for Reagan, I am a little behind on their JV, Freshman, and middle school talent. So, I can't predict their season, yet.
As for the future:
After next year, TR is in trouble. Freshman team this year isn't nearly as strong as Mac, Madison, or Reagan. Everybody figures that SV will be good as always. But, Mac will be REALLY good in a year or 2. IMO. The talent is on its way, no doubt there. ;)
wizenbud
10-20-2008, 04:22 AM
Fuschak was handed that opportunity. Believe me, being at Mac that year was unbelievable, but without Johnathan Craig, where would we have gone? Fuschak, IMO, gets fired about about trying to battle through this district when he thinks he has a legitimate reason to. Mac had all the pieces of their 06 squad in 2005 and underachieved dramatically, going 5-5. Mac schedules notoriously weak teams to start the season, then runs into a wall early in district. THEN, and I know this because I have many friends on the football team, the players lose morale because SV or Madison took them to the woodshed. A major part of coaching is giving your kids reason to believe that losses are one time deals and nothing else. Mac is notorious for getting slaughtered by a district powerhouse and collapsing after that. 2006 was a good year for them because Johnathan Craig was handed the offense to carry, and because 05 losses to Reagan and Madison were overcome thanks to hiccup years for those programs in 06. Mac went out and did what they should have that year, but I don't think its because of Fuschak's coaching. Once the kids took out Churchill, it didn't matter who was coaching them. We essentially became self sufficient.
I notice also that our offense is often not utilized. We try too hard to run plays to the outside that frequently fail against teams like Madison and Reagan, when our strength is clearly to try and blast down the middle either through the air (currently our MAJOR strength) or on the ground.
Mac of '08 reminds me alot of last years TR team. (of course minus the TR hot-heads) Young talent in need of seasoning. I have no problem with anyone saying that next years Mac team will contend. They could use a tougher non-conference schedule. But this year is a build-up year, just as last year was one for TR. IMO. ;)
saMavsFan
10-20-2008, 05:05 AM
saMavsFan really meant Reagan.
But, I agree, Mac should be MUCH better next year. As will a lot of 26-5A teams. I know TR and Madison are underclassmen heavy. I THINK, not really sure, but isn't SV Jr heavy ? I thought I heard something about that. Though, I could be totally wrong on that count. :D Then, you have New Braunfels. Which should be ready to fight for a playoff spot after a tough 1st year.
As for Reagan, I am a little behind on their JV, Freshman, and middle school talent. So, I can't predict their season, yet.
As for the future:
After next year, TR is in trouble. Freshman team this year isn't nearly as strong as Mac, Madison, or Reagan. Everybody figures that SV will be good as always. But, Mac will be REALLY good in a year or 2. IMO. The talent is on its way, no doubt there. ;)
oops.:o Thanks for catching that for me. Really thanks for correcting me, people love it when they're corrected.:D:notworthy
wizenbud
10-20-2008, 05:10 AM
oops.:o Thanks for catching that for me. Really thanks for correcting me, people love it when they're corrected.:D:notworthy
Sorry, just trying to help. :o
You know you're my guy !! I gots to look out for my NEISD brother. :p
wizenbud
10-20-2008, 05:44 AM
As I said last week when the majority on this board were picking NB, we at Regan like it when you underestimate this team.
I'm taking TR over Madison!
NB over Reagan = The WizenBud must have been smokin' bud.
I owe Reagan a HUGE, I was wrong. :o
I was one of those that underestimated Reagan. I don't know why, I just had a brain fart or something. :o
I picked SV, Reagan, Madison, and TR in district after the injuries to Churchill in the game vs Clark. (Churchill, a pick I am going to have to do some soul searching about.) I had even stated early in off-season that NB couldn't make the playoffs in their 1st year of 26-5A because of the adjustment time needed in this district. How I didn't pick Reagan is really beyond me. I am so :o. That's why I haven't had one post on that game till now. Congrats on making me look like a fool ! Not that it's hard thing to do. :D
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 07:36 AM
Clarify:
Reagan started 1-4 that year because Wetzel was still moving players around until the team clicked (which it did, quite well). Mac had already slammed them by the time that happened.
So not a hiccup "year" for Reagan, but a bad start to a good season that Mac was fortunate to get in on.
1-3 actually, but I get your point.
Who do you follow again (I'm assuming MAC) and how many times has Reagan kicked your a$$ in recent years (2 of the last 3 if MAC). Two straight trips to the "regional final" and you're out for blood on Reagan? We can have this war if you want it. The school has been open less than 10 years and been in the regional finals twice and you say we are not worthy to join a conversation?
I really don't follow Mac in particular; but the conversation was about Regional Championships and as of now, Reagan has ZERO.
Also, Mac was opened in 1958 and won their first Regional title 1n 1966. So yes, they won theirs sooner than Reagan ever will (assuming Reagan ever will)
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 07:41 AM
saMavsFan really meant Reagan.
But, I agree, Mac should be MUCH better next year. As will a lot of 26-5A teams. I know TR and Madison are underclassmen heavy. I THINK, not really sure, but isn't SV Jr heavy ? I thought I heard something about that. Though, I could be totally wrong on that count. :D Then, you have New Braunfels. Which should be ready to fight for a playoff spot after a tough 1st year.
As for Reagan, I am a little behind on their JV, Freshman, and middle school talent. So, I can't predict their season, yet.
As for the future:
After next year, TR is in trouble. Freshman team this year isn't nearly as strong as Mac, Madison, or Reagan. Everybody figures that SV will be good as always. But, Mac will be REALLY good in a year or 2. IMO. The talent is on its way, no doubt there. ;)
VERY good talent in Reagan's Soph and Fresh class. Fresh A team is undefeated (tied SV) and there are several very good Soph's getting varsity time this year - both RB's, starting O-Lineman, starting CB.
Reagan may struggle next year with Walls gone, but it will be a temporary struggle because of the talent in the Soph and Freshman class. I understand the 8th grade class at Bush is also very good.
wizenbud
10-20-2008, 07:49 AM
VERY good talent in Reagan's Soph and Fresh class. Fresh A team is undefeated (tied SV) and there are several very good Soph's getting varsity time this year - both RB's, starting O-Lineman, starting CB.
Reagan may struggle next year with Walls gone, but it will be a temporary struggle because of the talent in the Soph and Freshman class. I understand the 8th grade class at Bush is also very good.
Reagan's coaching staff will come up with something. Alot of people thought that Reagan would struggle this year without Marcus. Boy, sure proved us wrong.
wizenbud
10-20-2008, 07:59 AM
I really don't follow Mac in particular; but the conversation was about Regional Championships and as of now, Reagan has ZERO.
Also, Mac was opened in 1958 and won their first Regional title 1n 1966. So yes, they won theirs sooner than Reagan ever will (assuming Reagan ever will)
You do know we can look at you past post, right ? You don't follow Mac ?? :confused:
Not good........ :rolleyes:
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 08:01 AM
I really don't follow Mac in particular; but the conversation was about Regional Championships and as of now, Reagan has ZERO.
Also, Mac was opened in 1958 and won their first Regional title 1n 1966. So yes, they won theirs sooner than Reagan ever will (assuming Reagan ever will)
50 years and ONE state final appearance - a 54-0 LOSS. Come back to me in 2049 and we'll compare school records.
wizenbud
10-20-2008, 08:02 AM
50 years and ONE state final appearance - a 54-0 LOSS. Come back to me in 2049 and we'll compare school records.
LOL !! :notworthy
i don't care if its true or not. That's funny !!
50 years and ONE state final appearance - a 54-0 LOSS. Come back to me in 2049 and we'll compare school records.
Hopefully Reagan can get past the quarterfinals by 2049:eek:
shooter
10-20-2008, 08:14 AM
50 years and ONE state final appearance - a 54-0 LOSS. Come back to me in 2049 and we'll compare school records.
That 54-0 loss is nothing to be ashamed of as the team had all of about 10min to game plan and practice before the game that year, with everything going on in West Houston.
shooter
10-20-2008, 08:14 AM
Johnson will beat Reagan
ok never mind
wizenbud
10-20-2008, 08:18 AM
Johnson will beat Reagan
ok never mind
Hey, it could happen !! :p
Reagan could get a flat on the way to the game. Then :ninja:'s could kidnap them and hold them for ransom. Homeland Security would be called in..........
OK, never mind.
MADFAN#1
10-20-2008, 08:35 AM
Week 8
Roosevelt vs. Mac (saMavsFan's Game of the Week!!)
SV vs. Churchill
Madison vs. Lee
Reagan vs. Johnson
NB: BYE
I will go with:
TR
SV
MM
RR
That means playoffs will be set, with only seeding to be determined.
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 08:58 AM
That 54-0 loss is nothing to be ashamed of as the team had all of about 10min to game plan and practice before the game that year, with everything going on in West Houston.
Sorry if it looks like I was disrespecting MAC - that was not my intention. My intention was to put the jacka$$ ATX in his place after making the following statement:
"Your school must first win a regional championship before you are aloud to join the State Championship conversation. We'll acknowledge you when Reagan gets a regional trophy."<!-- / message -->
Sorry if it looks like I was disrespecting MAC - that was not my intention. My intention was to put the jacka$$ ATX in his place after making the following statement:
"Your school must first win a regional championship before you are aloud to join the State Championship conversation. We'll acknowledge you when Reagan gets a regional trophy."<!-- / message -->
Personal attacks and foul language are against the forums rules and guidelines...You should be dealt with swift and accordingly
Personal attacks and foul language are against the forums rules and guidelines...You should be dealt with swift and accordingly
Shouldn't there be a " :rolleyes: " mixed in your statement, SOMEWHERE?
I mean, who does this guy think he is? Wide??
:rolleyes:
patient1019
10-20-2008, 10:40 AM
saMavsFan really meant Reagan.
But, I agree, Mac should be MUCH better next year. As will a lot of 26-5A teams. I know TR and Madison are underclassmen heavy. I THINK, not really sure, but isn't SV Jr heavy ? I thought I heard something about that. Though, I could be totally wrong on that count. :D Then, you have New Braunfels. Which should be ready to fight for a playoff spot after a tough 1st year.
As for Reagan, I am a little behind on their JV, Freshman, and middle school talent. So, I can't predict their season, yet.
As for the future:
After next year, TR is in trouble. Freshman team this year isn't nearly as strong as Mac, Madison, or Reagan. Everybody figures that SV will be good as always. But, Mac will be REALLY good in a year or 2. IMO. The talent is on its way, no doubt there. ;)
Mac definitely has potential the next few years. Either the JV or one of the freshman squads last year went 9-1, losing only to Reagan. The freshmen teams are off to good starts this year as well - one narrowly lost to Madison (by one point) and the other killed Madison by 30. On top of that, Driscoll has a few talented players coming up and Garner went undefeated last season and has even more size this season.
Shadowweaver
10-20-2008, 10:47 AM
NB over Reagan = The WizenBud must have been smokin' bud.
I owe Reagan a HUGE, I was wrong.
I was one of those that underestimated Reagan. I don't know why, I just had a brain fart or something.
I picked SV, Reagan, Madison, and TR in district after the injuries to Churchill in the game vs Clark. (Churchill, a pick I am going to have to do some soul searching about.) I had even stated early in off-season that NB couldn't make the playoffs in their 1st year of 26-5A because of the adjustment time needed in this district. How I didn't pick Reagan is really beyond me. I am so That's why I haven't had one post on that game till now. Congrats on making me look like a fool ! Not that it's hard thing to do. :D
I believe you picked NB because after 4 turnovers in the TR game, NB still almost won the game. :D
Reagan was a different game and it went badly :(
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 11:19 AM
Mac definitely has potential the next few years. Either the JV or one of the freshman squads last year went 9-1, losing only to Reagan. The freshmen teams are off to good starts this year as well - one narrowly lost to Madison (by one point) and the other killed Madison by 30. On top of that, Driscoll has a few talented players coming up and Garner went undefeated last season and has even more size this season.
MAC should be good for the next few years. They have some talent coming in from Driscoll. A couple of their very good Freshman players came in from Bradley MS. Not sure on Garner, I know one of their 8th grade teams lost to Lopez MS (Reagan feeder school) last year.
I saw one of Mac's Freshman games this year. They looked good on O, but their D needs work. They lost the game I attended to Churchill.
Sorry if it looks like I was disrespecting MAC - that was not my intention. My intention was to put the jacka$$ ATX in his place after making the following statement:
"Your school must first win a regional championship before you are aloud to join the State Championship conversation. We'll acknowledge you when Reagan gets a regional trophy."<!-- / message -->
Well you failed miserably at that. Don't get mad at me because Reagan has yet to get past the quarterfinals. Maybe this could be the year (2008).....oops..dang it. It looks like SV will be in the same bracket as Reagan. And you know Reagan won't beat SV twice in the same season, can they :D
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 11:34 AM
Well you failed miserably at that. Don't get mad at me because Reagan has yet to get past the quarterfinals. Maybe this could be the year (2008).....oops..dang it. It looks like SV will be in the same bracket as Reagan. And you know Reagan won't beat SV twice in the same season, can they :D
This will be my last post to you on this subject since you are obviously having a hard time pulling your cranium out of your rectal canal.
Feel free to continue bashing Reagan. The majority on this board realize that Reagan has done quite well for a fairly new program in this state. Yes, we have never advanced past the quarterfinals, but reaching round 4 2 years in a row is not bad.
StrongDog
10-20-2008, 12:19 PM
Not to add fuel to fire or anything, but MAC got into the 98 state championship after Katy was disqualified for an ineligible player.
Not to add fuel to fire or anything, but MAC got into the 98 state championship after Katy was disqualified for an ineligible player.
But they won the Regional Championship before that :notworthy
saMavsFan
10-20-2008, 01:26 PM
Shouldn't there be a " :rolleyes: " mixed in your statement, SOMEWHERE?
I mean, who does this guy think he is? Wide??
:rolleyes:
Good God! A fiesty Lufkin poster is all we need in this thread.:eek:
saMavsFan
10-20-2008, 01:29 PM
I'll say it, I flat out underestimated Reagan against NB. Granted Forester went down in the first quarter, and NB was still in it most of the game. That being said, NB wasn't in it most of the game. The scoreboard doesn't say how well Reagan's defense played. I listened in play by play and I'm really impressed.
BandidoNB
10-20-2008, 02:43 PM
NB's BYE week is before Johnson... NB had two weeks to get ready for Johnson. As an NB fan, I take no wins for granted! :notworthy
Shadowweaver
10-20-2008, 03:29 PM
I'll say it, I flat out underestimated Reagan against NB. Granted Forester went down in the first quarter, and NB was still in it most of the game. That being said, NB wasn't in it most of the game. The scoreboard doesn't say how well Reagan's defense played. I listened in play by play and I'm really impressed.
NB ended up on the raw end of all their big games, and that was truly unfortunate...while I don't think it's any reason for SARattlersfan to get huffy and puffy about, I thought NB would peform better against Reagan than how the game went down.
Losing isn't fun, and being picked against is natural with two tough opponents. SA Rattlers Fan, why is it such a big deal to you? The team gets a chance to speak for itself. The trash talk just comes off a bit jerky and almost like taunting/gloating depending what side of the game you're on. I think there's a difference between underestimating and disrespecting, don't you?
Reaganrattler07
10-20-2008, 04:39 PM
You do know we can look at you past post, right ? You don't follow Mac ?? :confused:
Not good........ :rolleyes:
atx is the epitome of a forum troll.
He also made a thread early in the season banking that Mac would be in the State finals.(or to that effect)
Reaganrattler07
10-20-2008, 04:43 PM
NB ended up on the raw end of all their big games, and that was truly unfortunate...while I don't think it's any reason for SARattlersfan to get huffy and puffy about, I thought NB would peform better against Reagan than how the game went down.
Losing isn't fun, and being picked against is natural with two tough opponents. SA Rattlers Fan, why is it such a big deal to you? The team gets a chance to speak for itself. The trash talk just comes off a bit jerky and almost like taunting/gloating depending what side of the game you're on. I think there's a difference between underestimating and disrespecting, don't you?
What are you talking about? You made a prediction and you were wrong. Where is anyone trash talking?
So because New Braunfels lost a game you all were confident in and we bring up all that was said before said game. I'ts taunting and gloating?
Shadowweaver
10-20-2008, 06:03 PM
What are you talking about? You made a prediction and you were wrong. Where is anyone trash talking?
So because New Braunfels lost a game you all were confident in and we bring up all that was said before said game. I'ts taunting and gloating?
New Braunfels has not lost a game, but four. :D
As I said, there is a difference between underestimating and disrespecting. I am not calling out SARattlers for thinking Reagan can beat their next opponent any more than they were able to upend New Braunfels this past week. In fact, if you look at my posts after that game, I have Reagan picked as my District Champion favorite. However, there are certain trends playing out in this thread that played out in the NB thread. I question those trends.
My question is directed at SARattlers.
And I don't think it unreasonable to think that either team could have won the NB v. RR game. It's 26-5A after all!
addendum: You don't have to denigrate someone else's team to feel better, no matter what the other person says. How does that do justice to any of the hard work the players put on the field??
atx is the epitome of a forum troll.
He also made a thread early in the season banking that Ma :notworthyc would be in the State finals.(or to that effect)
RR07 is still oppressed because his beloved Rattlers were owned by the Brahmas, during his senior year.
I'm not really a Mac fan, but after your assanine comments about Mac, I rejoice that the fact they spanked Reagan in 06. :notworthy
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saMavsFan
10-20-2008, 09:08 PM
Is there some history between Reagan and MacArthur that I'm not aware of? I mean, other than Reagan opening and 15 minutes later leaving 1/3 of those kids on Mac's doorstep. Was there some contentious game in the past, some players fighting...I'm just seeing a lot of latent hostility that I'm not inside on.:confused:
shooter
10-20-2008, 10:00 PM
Is there some history between Reagan and MacArthur that I'm not aware of? I mean, other than Reagan opening and 15 minutes later leaving 1/3 of those kids on Mac's doorstep. Was there some contentious game in the past, some players fighting...I'm just seeing a lot of latent hostility that I'm not inside on.:confused:
Translation = "Why is no one hating on Madison!"
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 10:18 PM
NB ended up on the raw end of all their big games, and that was truly unfortunate...while I don't think it's any reason for SARattlersfan to get huffy and puffy about, I thought NB would peform better against Reagan than how the game went down.
Losing isn't fun, and being picked against is natural with two tough opponents. SA Rattlers Fan, why is it such a big deal to you? The team gets a chance to speak for itself. The trash talk just comes off a bit jerky and almost like taunting/gloating depending what side of the game you're on. I think there's a difference between underestimating and disrespecting, don't you?
It's not personal - as I said, we at Reagan like when you underestimate our team. I certainly don't think anybody was disrespecting (except ATX). I watched the replay of the NB/Reagan game tonight on San Antonio on Demand. NB's D is very good and they play with an attitude. Wort and the safety are very good players.
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 10:23 PM
Is there some history between Reagan and MacArthur that I'm not aware of? I mean, other than Reagan opening and 15 minutes later leaving 1/3 of those kids on Mac's doorstep. Was there some contentious game in the past, some players fighting...I'm just seeing a lot of latent hostility that I'm not inside on.:confused:
None that I'm aware of - it was just ATX talking trash and my response to that trash.
SaRattlerFan
10-20-2008, 10:27 PM
New Braunfels has not lost a game, but four. :D
As I said, there is a difference between underestimating and disrespecting. I am not calling out SARattlers for thinking Reagan can beat their next opponent any more than they were able to upend New Braunfels this past week. In fact, if you look at my posts after that game, I have Reagan picked as my District Champion favorite. However, there are certain trends playing out in this thread that played out in the NB thread. I question those trends.
My question is directed at SARattlers.
And I don't think it unreasonable to think that either team could have won the NB v. RR game. It's 26-5A after all!
addendum: You don't have to denigrate someone else's team to feel better, no matter what the other person says. How does that do justice to any of the hard work the players put on the field??
The only thing I added to the NB thread was that Wort played last week. I was responding to a post that said Wort didn't play. I'm not sure what you mean by this statement?:confused:
saMavsFan
10-21-2008, 12:09 AM
Translation = "Why is no one hating on Madison!"
LOL, leave it to you shooter to be both pragmatic and wrong at the same time.:D:notworthy I don't know, just seemed like there was a lot of antimosity between Mac and Reagan posters on this thread and a couple others. Not used to seeing it outside of a Madison/SV thread.;)
wizenbud
10-21-2008, 03:28 AM
ATX's mouth has written a check that Mac players have to try and cash. Talkin' trash about the 2 top teams left on the Mac schedule, goes to show, ATX isn't the sharpest SPOON on the table.
Don't be surprised when TR and Reagan put a hurtin' on Mac.
One player teams do not beat great defenses. Mac's QB is about to be reminded of that. Mac is about to face the 2 fastest defenses in the district.
We all saw what the SV game proved. Once Mac faces a defense, they crack.
Madison showed that Mac can also be out scored.
Now, Mac faces a TR team that has one of the best defenses in the district and the 2nd best offense in the district. I believe that will add up to a butt stomping right up there with SV and Madison. For ATX to hope that TR over-looks Mac shows, IMO, that ATX knows that TR is the better team. So, this conversation is moot. All ATX has is left to talk about is the past. WHO cares what Mac did in 2006 ? Isn't this 2008 ? Now if you could bring back the 2006 team, you may have a shot. But, with the 2008 Mac team ? Count on the playoff teams will be settled after this week. That's my take, but I could be wrong. :D
shooter
10-21-2008, 07:04 AM
MacArthurs offense reminds me a lot of South Lake Carroll's offense. The only thing Mac needs is a lot more talent, a lot more depth, a lot more size, a lot more speed, more fans and throw in some tradition and a tad bit of intimidation and you would not be able to tell the two teams apart...
longhorn3
10-21-2008, 07:24 AM
Translation = "Why is no one hating on Madison!"
Because Madison got a big taste of humble pie last week and not doing any talking this week...we are a little shaky right now and our team may be winning most games but in my opinion are not as strong as i would like..hopefully they will turn it around on the defensive side of the ball and then the smack will come back out but its hard to pump up a mediocre team right now..
Is there some history between Reagan and MacArthur that I'm not aware of? I mean, other than Reagan opening and 15 minutes later leaving 1/3 of those kids on Mac's doorstep. Was there some contentious game in the past, some players fighting...I'm just seeing a lot of latent hostility that I'm not inside on.:confused:
Actually it goes back to 05 when ReaganRattler07 made very classless comments about an injured Mac player. I just thought it was very crude for someone who never even played YMCA flag football, to come on a MB and make jokes about an injured high school player.
From then on I kind of adopted Mac, at least wanted them to beat Reagan in 06. Poetic justice came in 06 when Mac stomped Reagan and went further than them in the playoffs. RR07 has had his tail between his legs since then.
I actually like Reagan. It's just too bad a few posters give the school a bad name. I also like TR, but I do stand by my pick that Mac will beat TR in a close one this week. Nothing personal.
longhorn3
10-21-2008, 07:30 AM
Actually it goes back to 05 when ReaganRattler07 made very classless comments about an injured Mac player. I just thought it was very crude for someone who never even played YMCA flag football, to come on a MB and make jokes about an injured high school player.
From then on I kind of adopted Mac, at least wanted them to beat Reagan in 06. Poetic justice came in 06 when Mac stomped Reagan and went further than them in the playoffs. RR07 has had his tail between his legs since then.
I actually like Reagan. It's just too bad a few posters give the school a bad name. I also like TR, but I do stand by my pick that Mac will beat TR in a close one this week. Nothing personal.
Mac gets blown out this week by TR..just not enough talent on the Mac side of the ball...way to much speed from TR...IMO
patient1019
10-21-2008, 08:01 AM
Is there some history between Reagan and MacArthur that I'm not aware of? I mean, other than Reagan opening and 15 minutes later leaving 1/3 of those kids on Mac's doorstep. Was there some contentious game in the past, some players fighting...I'm just seeing a lot of latent hostility that I'm not inside on.:confused:
Besides the fact that Mac hates Reagan?
I can only speak from Mac's perspective, obviously, but on the rare occasion that we beat Reagan, it's almost more rewarding than beating Madison. Last year was bad for the rivalry, there was a lot of classless behavior from both teams that obviously Mac blames on Reagan and vice-versa.
Back to the subject at hand, I think Mac is showing that they're the 2008 version of 2007 Roosevelt. POSSIBLY. They have some talent this year that they don't know what to do with, a quarterback that as he grows should be an intense threat, and a lot more size and speed coming up through the middle school and JV squads that should make Mac a top 4 team for the next couple of years.
wizenbud
10-21-2008, 08:07 AM
Besides the fact that Mac hates Reagan?
I can only speak from Mac's perspective, obviously, but on the rare occasion that we beat Reagan, it's almost more rewarding than beating Madison. Last year was bad for the rivalry, there was a lot of classless behavior from both teams that obviously Mac blames on Reagan and vice-versa.
Back to the subject at hand, I think Mac is showing that they're the 2008 version of 2007 Roosevelt. POSSIBLY. They have some talent this year that they don't know what to do with, a quarterback that as he grows should be an intense threat, and a lot more size and speed coming up through the middle school and JV squads that should make Mac a top 4 team for the next couple of years.
AMEN !! :notworthy
SaRattlerFan
10-21-2008, 08:44 AM
Besides the fact that Mac hates Reagan?
I can only speak from Mac's perspective, obviously, but on the rare occasion that we beat Reagan, it's almost more rewarding than beating Madison. Last year was bad for the rivalry, there was a lot of classless behavior from both teams that obviously Mac blames on Reagan and vice-versa.
Back to the subject at hand, I think Mac is showing that they're the 2008 version of 2007 Roosevelt. POSSIBLY. They have some talent this year that they don't know what to do with, a quarterback that as he grows should be an intense threat, and a lot more size and speed coming up through the middle school and JV squads that should make Mac a top 4 team for the next couple of years.
That feeling doesn't go both ways. Reagan considers SV our biggest rivalry, with Churchill and Madison falling just behind.
On a separate note, watch out for NB for years to come. Reagan's Freshman team is undefeated and I was told by one of their real good players that NB is by far the best Freshman team they have played this year.
wizenbud
10-21-2008, 09:14 AM
That feeling doesn't go both ways. Reagan considers SV our biggest rivalry, with Churchill and Madison falling just behind.
On a separate note, watch out for NB for years to come. Reagan's Freshman team is undefeated and I was told by one of their real good players that NB is by far the best Freshman team they have played this year.
The "Town & Country" Bowl has become one heck of a game. But, in a couple years, I think Johnson vs Reagan will be one heck of a game. Just a thought. :D
SaRattlerFan
10-21-2008, 09:18 AM
The "Town & Country" Bowl has become one heck of a game. But, in a couple years, I think Johnson vs Reagan will be one heck of a game. Just a thought. :D
I agree.
Bottomline
10-21-2008, 09:41 AM
On a separate note, watch out for NB for years to come. Reagan's Freshman team is undefeated and I was told by one of their real good players that NB is by far the best Freshman team they have played this year.
Freshmen team records don't really matter. How many " Freshmen " studs continued their dominance once they got to the varsity level ? Very few.
Way too many factors to see a solid preview of what's to come ... Transfers, grades, and most of all continued peak performance. Alot of kids peak way too soon and alot of other kidsa step back a step or two. Look at how many kids are on their respective teams and how many are still playing by the time they are Sr's.
saMavsFan
10-21-2008, 12:26 PM
Because Madison got a big taste of humble pie last week and not doing any talking this week...we are a little shaky right now and our team may be winning most games but in my opinion are not as strong as i would like..hopefully they will turn it around on the defensive side of the ball and then the smack will come back out but its hard to pump up a mediocre team right now..
Madison will have to come out a little more...aware? in this game against Lee Thursday. That mad scramble to avoid mistakes in the first half against Churchill was difficult to watch. But, honestly I was impressed that the guys kept their composure after that awful start. I HATE DAY GAMES!!!
SaRattlerFan
10-21-2008, 01:16 PM
Freshmen team records don't really matter. How many " Freshmen " studs continued their dominance once they got to the varsity level ? Very few.
Way too many factors to see a solid preview of what's to come ... Transfers, grades, and most of all continued peak performance. Alot of kids peak way too soon and alot of other kidsa step back a step or two. Look at how many kids are on their respective teams and how many are still playing by the time they are Sr's.
Disagree completely - last years Freshman studs at Reagan are now starting on varsity as Sophomores. I don't know how it is at the school you support, but our Freshman studs usually turn out to be varsity starters and very good players.
saMavsFan
10-21-2008, 01:19 PM
Disagree completely - the studs of Reagan's Freshman team are now starting on varsity as Sophomores. The Freshman starter at QB is now the Johnson varsity starter at QB. I don't know how it is at the school you supoort, but our Freshman studs usually turn out to be varsity starters and very good players.
I lean more towards this. However, it may take more time in some cases than others. Example, Aaron Green. Enough said, but the flip side is Troy Lara and Troy Williams. Both are extremely good athletes, but have had slight troubles performing at the varsity level the way they did as freshmen. It all points to good things for Madison as they are all sophomores.
BandidoNB
10-21-2008, 02:35 PM
That feeling doesn't go both ways. Reagan considers SV our biggest rivalry, with Churchill and Madison falling just behind.
On a separate note, watch out for NB for years to come. Reagan's Freshman team is undefeated and I was told by one of their real good players that NB is by far the best Freshman team they have played this year.
I really hope you are right; I am not so much concerned with whether NB will make the playoffs or not, but I at least want them to be competitive in years to come..but I really dont know much longer NB will be in 26-5A. Steele is expected to jump to 5A in the next realignment, most likely replacing NB. Personally, I would prefer NB stay in 26-5A as a fan, even if they dont make the playoffs.
saMavsFan
10-21-2008, 07:02 PM
I really hope you are right; I am not so much concerned with whether NB will make the playoffs or not, but I at least want them to be competitive in years to come..but I really dont know much longer NB will be in 26-5A. Steele is expected to jump to 5A in the next realignment, most likely replacing NB. Personally, I would prefer NB stay in 26-5A as a fan, even if they dont make the playoffs.
I don't know what the realignment will look like with Steele moving up, possibly followed by Clemens. Then Walter Brennan in N.S.I.S.D. But I hope NB sticks around. With Judson gone, we need at least two competitive teams outside N.E.I.S.D. to stay with us in 265a.
BandidoNB
10-21-2008, 07:22 PM
I don't know what the realignment will look like with Steele moving up, possibly followed by Clemens. Then Walter Brennan in N.S.I.S.D. But I hope NB sticks around. With Judson gone, we need at least two competitive teams outside N.E.I.S.D. to stay with us in 265a.
Clemens wont move up; there is supposedly a huge disparity in enrollment between Clemens and Steele. Hundreds of student difference.
SaRattlerFan
10-21-2008, 09:49 PM
Clemens wont move up; there is supposedly a huge disparity in enrollment between Clemens and Steele. Hundreds of student difference.
A Schertz/Cibilo school board member works in my buidling. He has told me they plan to redraw the boundaries to make Clemens and Steele closer in enrollment. This may happen as early as next year. I would expect both to remain 4A schools.
patient1019
10-21-2008, 10:43 PM
That feeling doesn't go both ways. Reagan considers SV our biggest rivalry, with Churchill and Madison falling just behind.
On a separate note, watch out for NB for years to come. Reagan's Freshman team is undefeated and I was told by one of their real good players that NB is by far the best Freshman team they have played this year.
No, it really doesn't. Mac kids know Reagan is more interested in beating SV, Churchill and Madison. Mostly Churchill from our perspective. Mac's biggest rivals remain Madison and Churchill.
longhorn3
10-21-2008, 11:07 PM
No, it really doesn't. Mac kids know Reagan is more interested in beating SV, Churchill and Madison. Mostly Churchill from our perspective. Mac's biggest rivals remain Madison and Churchill.
In Madison's eyes SV is our rival only cause they have dominance over us in the past..oh im sorry they just beat us two weeks ago so make that the presence as well
saMavsFan
10-21-2008, 11:13 PM
In Madison's eyes SV is our rival only cause they have dominance over us in the past..oh im sorry they just beat us two weeks ago so make that the presence as well
Yep, its SV, Judson, and Mac for Madison. Mostly SV these days. Although the M&M Bowl is still a favorite of mine.
SaRattlerFan
10-21-2008, 11:18 PM
No, it really doesn't. Mac kids know Reagan is more interested in beating SV, Churchill and Madison. Mostly Churchill from our perspective. Mac's biggest rivals remain Madison and Churchill.
Many at Churchill still claim the opening of Reagan killed their sports programs. The truth is the Reagan opening had a larger effect on Lee. The boundaries were redrawn and large areas of former Lee territory were given to Churchill when Reagan opened. What was left at Lee was established areas with older populations. Lee will never recover as long as they are stuck with the same boundaries. There are still pockets of growth in the Churchill area (NW Military and Wurzbach, few areas in Deerfield). Lee has no growth areas. The NW Military/West Ave area at one time was all Lee.
wizenbud
10-22-2008, 02:07 AM
Just a little thought about NEISD and their Charter Programs.
NEISD has bought into the charter school program. Lee being one of the schools with mutiple charter programs. (TR has mutiple programs, also)
With the ability of parents in NEISD to pick the school best suited to their son or daughter, any school could be hurt or helped by this in the future.
Lee is in the perfect position to reap the rewards. TR has already been rewarded in the classroom and on the field due to charter programs like ETA and DATA. Lee has 2 charter programs and one more on the way to help fill out their school. Leading this year to Noel Miller (QB) playing for Lee instead of TR, his home school. Having 2/5 of TR's starting offensive-line come from other schools in the district, has really helped. The Charter Program is legallized recruiting for high school. The football program doesn't do it, the charter schools are given that responsiblity. That's my take, what do you think ? :confused:
shooter
10-22-2008, 07:07 AM
Just a little thought about NEISD and their Charter Programs.
NEISD has bought into the charter school program. Lee being one of the schools with mutiple charter programs. (TR has mutiple programs, also)
With the ability of parents in NEISD to pick the school best suited to their son or daughter, any school could be hurt or helped by this in the future.
Lee is in the perfect position to reap the rewards. TR has already been rewarded in the classroom and on the field due to charter programs like ETA and DATA. Lee has 2 charter programs and one more on the way to help fill out their school. Leading this year to Noel Miller (QB) playing for Lee instead of TR, his home school. Having 2/5 of TR's starting offensive-line come from other schools in the district, has really helped. The Charter Program is legallized recruiting for high school. The football program doesn't do it, the charter schools are given that responsiblity. That's my take, what do you think ? :confused:
I think this is a good take to some level. First the kids have to stay with in the NEISD school district it's not like Madison is recruting kids from JISD (ok bad example), it's not like Reagan is recruting kids from South San. I actualy think it's funny that all a kid has to do to play at Madison is purchase a chicken enroll in the FFA charter at Madison. If the Chick dies on the first day of school the kid still can go to Madison.
I think another factor to look at is the privates. Antonian pulls kids from all over San Antonio but a lot of those kids are locals and live in the Lee and a few in the Churchill area. You also have Cornerstone pulling NEISD athlets as well. Up north SA-Christian started a football program and is having some success, there top WR is from Alamo Heights and a lot of the kids are still from that area as that is where the school started but more and more kids are looking to the SACS athletic department. Currently Antonian has a decent football team and an excelent Volleyball team. SACS volleyball is ok but their football team is really good. Throw in Trinity (No Football but does have Volleyball) St Mary's Hall (No Football but has Soccer and Volleyball), and a few other privates and the kids are having to come from somewhere.
wizenbud
10-22-2008, 07:48 AM
I think another factor to look at is the privates. Antonian pulls kids from all over San Antonio but a lot of those kids are locals and live in the Lee and a few in the Churchill area. You also have Cornerstone pulling NEISD athlets as well. Up north SA-Christian started a football program and is having some success, there top WR is from Alamo Heights and a lot of the kids are still from that area as that is where the school started but more and more kids are looking to the SACS athletic department. Currently Antonian has a decent football team and an excelent Volleyball team. SACS volleyball is ok but their football team is really good. Throw in Trinity (No Football but does have Volleyball) St Mary's Hall (No Football but has Soccer and Volleyball), and a few other privates and the kids are having to come from somewhere.
:notworthy
Now, this is something I didn't think about. Does private schools effect NEISD or NISD more ? Could this be considered a new trend in high school sports ?? Legal recruiting of student athletes ?
:notworthy
Now, this is something I didn't think about. Does private schools effect NEISD or NISD more ? Could this be considered a new trend in high school sports ?? Legal recruiting of student athletes ?
Been doing it up North forever. Mostly Basketball instead of Football. I believe out West (California), the better schools are private as well. Somebody help me out here, but Montana's kids go to one of these private. schools in the bay area. DeLaSalle, or something, isn't it?
I always wondered why it wasn't a bigger problem here (Texas) yet.
wizenbud
10-22-2008, 09:13 AM
Been doing it up North forever. Mostly Basketball instead of Football. I believe out West (California), the better schools are private as well. Somebody help me out here, but Montana's kids go to one of these private. schools in the bay area. DeLaSalle, or something, isn't it?
I always wondered why it wasn't a bigger problem here (Texas) yet.
Recruiting kids could kill half the programs in Texas. Who wouldn't want to play for one of the big programs in this state ? I would have loved to play for Coach Hill or DW Rutledge. (Not that I was good enough to be recruited) I hope Texas schools try and stay away from the recruiting temptation. I think it would hurt the state. Too many of its best players in too few schools.
saMavsFan
10-22-2008, 09:21 AM
There is also a great deal more talent, especially at the bigger schools in Texas than there is in, say California, Florida, or Ohio. Each one of our bigger schools can find the depth and pure atleticism within its own student body.
No matter where you go here in Texas, someone has an outstanding running back. I'm sure there are coaches around the state who say, "Boy I wish I had that kid," but not to the point where recruiting becomes necessary. Now, I'm not sure about the private schools. I'm sure, at least here in Texas as it stands right now, that it would get around if a Jock Tilghman, or and Aaron Green, or Brandon Armstrong type got recruited to play for Antonian or Central Catholic.
Like I said, that's how it is now. I sure hope it stays that way. Charter schools and private schools can be a draw, and in some cases, a real burden on some schools. But for the most part, the talent pools here are so big that outright recruitment is really not necessary.
Bottomline
10-22-2008, 11:08 AM
I lean more towards this. However, it may take more time in some cases than others. Example, Aaron Green. Enough said, but the flip side is Troy Lara and Troy Williams. Both are extremely good athletes, but have had slight troubles performing at the varsity level the way they did as freshmen. It all points to good things for Madison as they are all sophomores.
Lara leads the team in defensive touchdowns and is one of the leaders in tackles while playing a position he's never played before. He starred as a QB, Reciever and Safety last season as a freshman and has gotten beaten once for a touchdown on a blown coverage in the secondary ... Williams has 4-5 Touchdowns and has gotten some clutch yards. Has been excellent out of the backfield and has done some pretty amazing blocks to spring Aaron out in the open. Scout.com has been pretty impressed by their performance this season.
wizenbud
10-22-2008, 11:44 AM
There is also a great deal more talent, especially at the bigger schools in Texas than there is in, say California, Florida, or Ohio. Each one of our bigger schools can find the depth and pure atleticism within its own student body.
No matter where you go here in Texas, someone has an outstanding running back. I'm sure there are coaches around the state who say, "Boy I wish I had that kid," but not to the point where recruiting becomes necessary. Now, I'm not sure about the private schools. I'm sure, at least here in Texas as it stands right now, that it would get around if a Jock Tilghman, or and Aaron Green, or Brandon Armstrong type got recruited to play for Antonian or Central Catholic.
Like I said, that's how it is now. I sure hope it stays that way. Charter schools and private schools can be a draw, and in some cases, a real burden on some schools. But for the most part, the talent pools here are so big that outright recruitment is really not necessary.
Excellent point. :notworthy
saMavsFan
10-22-2008, 12:47 PM
Lara leads the team in defensive touchdowns and is one of the leaders in tackles while playing a position he's never played before. He starred as a QB, Reciever and Safety last season as a freshman and has gotten beaten once for a touchdown on a blown coverage in the secondary ... Williams has 4-5 Touchdowns and has gotten some clutch yards. Has been excellent out of the backfield and has done some pretty amazing blocks to spring Aaron out in the open. Scout.com has been pretty impressed by their performance this season.
I completely agree about how well they're doing. But listening to Lara's interview, he was saying that he struggled at first with the switch to varsity and to CB from safety because he tried to look at playing CB as a more physical position. But it seems as of late that he has really gelled with the defense. Troy Williams has also done very well after getting bottled up in the backfield to start the season.
My point was not to take away from these guys at all, in any way. Just that the learning curve is longer for some than others. Luckily for Madison these two SOPHOMORES (something I find amazing) have become two of the team's top performers.
SaRattlerFan
10-22-2008, 09:00 PM
:notworthy
Now, this is something I didn't think about. Does private schools effect NEISD or NISD more ? Could this be considered a new trend in high school sports ?? Legal recruiting of student athletes ?
I would say NEISD, but have no facts to base that on. This may be a new trend in Texas, but has been going on for years in Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and several other eastern states. The best teams in those states are private schools.
SaRattlerFan
10-22-2008, 09:05 PM
There is also a great deal more talent, especially at the bigger schools in Texas than there is in, say California, Florida, or Ohio. Each one of our bigger schools can find the depth and pure atleticism within its own student body.
No matter where you go here in Texas, someone has an outstanding running back. I'm sure there are coaches around the state who say, "Boy I wish I had that kid," but not to the point where recruiting becomes necessary. Now, I'm not sure about the private schools. I'm sure, at least here in Texas as it stands right now, that it would get around if a Jock Tilghman, or and Aaron Green, or Brandon Armstrong type got recruited to play for Antonian or Central Catholic.
Like I said, that's how it is now. I sure hope it stays that way. Charter schools and private schools can be a draw, and in some cases, a real burden on some schools. But for the most part, the talent pools here are so big that outright recruitment is really not necessary.
There is more talent in Texas, but I'm not sure you can say "great deal" more than Florida and California. A lot of VERY good players come from those states.
saMavsFan
10-22-2008, 11:00 PM
There is more talent in Texas, but I'm not sure you can say "great deal" more than Florida and California. A lot of VERY good players come from those states.
Granted, but its spread across the state. Lots of individual talent from every state really. What I meant by that was, take Judson for example. Having as many kids as attend Judson, they've got a huge pool of talent. There's no need to recruit players. All of 265a has experienced this at one point or another. And its the same way throughout the state.
In California, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida..etc. the best teams are private schools who actively seek the best players from across the state. It's just not necessary in Texas. We've got so many good, well coached players in every district that recruitment is a waste of time. Having one extra good running back or strong safety won't make a difference on sufficiently talented teams.
saMavsFan
10-23-2008, 12:14 PM
Well, we've got Lee tonight. There for a long while, the Lee vs. Madison game always came on Lee's homecoming night. Hope it not this year. From what I've seen, Lee has been putting up some decent points this year. Don't know much about their offense, but I assume they put up most of their points on Reagan and Roosevelt in the second half after the game was well in hand and the 2nd string was in. Am I right about that?
SaRattlerFan
10-23-2008, 01:47 PM
Well, we've got Lee tonight. There for a long while, the Lee vs. Madison game always came on Lee's homecoming night. Hope it not this year. From what I've seen, Lee has been putting up some decent points this year. Don't know much about their offense, but I assume they put up most of their points on Reagan and Roosevelt in the second half after the game was well in hand and the 2nd string was in. Am I right about that?
Lee didn't score on O against Reagan. They had a blocked FG for a score early, an interception for a return off the 2nd team QB, and a blocked punt for a TD.
The final 2 scores were in the 4th quarter when the score was 45-7.
wizenbud
10-23-2008, 07:58 PM
Well, we've got Lee tonight. There for a long while, the Lee vs. Madison game always came on Lee's homecoming night. Hope it not this year. From what I've seen, Lee has been putting up some decent points this year. Don't know much about their offense, but I assume they put up most of their points on Reagan and Roosevelt in the second half after the game was well in hand and the 2nd string was in. Am I right about that?
1 ko return for td and 2 td's on the back ups late vs TR.
saMavsFan
10-23-2008, 11:15 PM
Same story tonight. Lee got a couple td's late on our 3rd string defense. Friends, let me tell you, Lee has got some great athletes on their team. They worked all night long and never got a bad attitude, even when they were way down. Congrats to Lee. Their record won't reflect how good they are, nor the class with which they play.
47-14 final. I'm really proud of Madison's defense. Held Lee scoreless until the opening moments of the 4th quarter. The structure has changed quite a bit and the coaching staff seems to have taken notice of some glaring problems. The guys looked like they were having fun tonight for the first time in a while. Great job guys!
Encouraging signs from the offensive back-ups!! Jose Romero is a stud RB and only a junior. Kevin Cortez (Junior QB) has a cannon for an arm and great speed. Great game all around!!
Wrecking Crew 12
10-23-2008, 11:25 PM
So I'm intrested in who you think Pville will play from 26-5A? I really don't want SV first round.
saMavsFan
10-23-2008, 11:31 PM
So I'm intrested in who you think Pville will play from 26-5A? I really don't want SV first round.
Good question. Honestly this WILL come down to the last week of the regular season. I know that doesn't leave much room for P'ville to prepare. But then again, I won't be rooting for you anyway.:D
Either way, its two very strong defenses and very capable offenses. Right now, its a toss up. SV still has Roosevelt to play and Reagan has to play Madison. Even if both win out, Reagan will lead the DII teams. But anything can happen.
PREPARE FOR AN EARLY EXIT P'VILLE!!:D
Wrecking Crew 12
10-23-2008, 11:39 PM
I think I'd take playing Reagan over SV anyday. Oh, and trust me, Pville won't be making an early exit.
saMavsFan
10-24-2008, 05:46 AM
I think I'd take playing Reagan over SV anyday. Oh, and trust me, Pville won't be making an early exit.
Well, considering Reagan beat SV and both have two of the better defenses in Region 4, I wouldn't be all that happy about playing either. But P'ville is a good team too. Whichever of the two winds up playing you guys, should be a great game.
saMavsFan
10-24-2008, 05:51 AM
I wonder who Applewhite was there to see ;);)
By Lorne Chan - Express-News Racing down the sideline for another long gain Thursday, Madison sophomore Aaron Green almost knocked over a man in a black jacket as he ran out of bounds.
Aaron Green, meet Major Applewhite.
Applewhite, Texas' assistant head coach and running backs coach, watched the No. 3 Mavericks roll to a 47-14 over Lee before 2,343 at Comalander Stadium.
“I thought that was Applewhite,” Green said. “I've always seen him on TV, but I don't know why he was here. I hope he enjoyed it.”
Green rushed for 97 yards and two touchdowns while sophomore fullback Troy Williams had 111 yards and added a score.
Madison's first-team offense put on a show for Applewhite, scoring on all five of its possessions before it was taken out midway through the second quarter with a 34-0 lead.
When Alex Montgomery returned a punt 70 yards for a TD midway through the third quarter, Madison (7-1, 5-1 District 26-5A) had a 47-0 lead and Applewhite had seen enough.
Green's play of the night was an 8-yard TD run in the second quarter. He started to the right but found nothing. So he retraced his steps to the line of scrimmage, avoided a Lee defender, then ran left to the end zone.
He also scored on a 20-yard run in the first quarter and finished with nine carries.
Green now has 1,453 yards and 20 TDs for the season, passing Clark's Jock Tilghman (1,451 yards) to become the area's leading rusher. Clark is off this week.
Madison quarterback Leo Gutierrez suffered a right shoulder injury on Madison's opening drive, but later returned and threw a 9-yard TD pass to Chris Doring.
“The trainers said my shoulder popped out of the socket but went back in when I hit the ground,” Gutierrez said. “I felt good throwing on the sidelines so I went back in the game.”
Backup quarterback Kevin Cortez ran for a TD and threw one to Alex Montgomery.
The Mavericks defense also did its part, holding Lee (2-6, 1-5) to 43 first-half yards. Senior Tyler James also recovered a Volunteers fumble.
Madison was coming off a 44-21 victory over Churchill where the Mavericks had three turnovers in the first three minutes. Mavs coach Jim Streety said starting strong was the focus this week, and Madison had a 20-0 lead at the end of the first quarter.
“We weren't happy at all last week,” Green said. “This time, we had to be ready.”
wizenbud
10-24-2008, 06:13 AM
Same story tonight. Lee got a couple td's late on our 3rd string defense. Friends, let me tell you, Lee has got some great athletes on their team. They worked all night long and never got a bad attitude, even when they were way down. Congrats to Lee. Their record won't reflect how good they are, nor the class with which they play.
47-14 final. I'm really proud of Madison's defense. Held Lee scoreless until the opening moments of the 4th quarter. The structure has changed quite a bit and the coaching staff seems to have taken notice of some glaring problems. The guys looked like they were having fun tonight for the first time in a while. Great job guys!
Encouraging signs from the offensive back-ups!! Jose Romero is a stud RB and only a junior. Kevin Cortez (Junior QB) has a cannon for an arm and great speed. Great game all around!!
Looked like a little less "waiting", a little more "go get 'em" tonight with the defensive play calling. Really nice turn around from the last few games. Congrats, see ya next Thursday ! :D
wizenbud
10-24-2008, 06:17 AM
I wonder who Applewhite was there to see ;);)
By Lorne Chan - Express-News Racing down the sideline for another long gain Thursday, Madison sophomore Aaron Green almost knocked over a man in a black jacket as he ran out of bounds.
Aaron Green, meet Major Applewhite.
Applewhite, Texas' assistant head coach and running backs coach, watched the No. 3 Mavericks roll to a 47-14 over Lee before 2,343 at Comalander Stadium.
“I thought that was Applewhite,” Green said. “I've always seen him on TV, but I don't know why he was here. I hope he enjoyed it.”
Green rushed for 97 yards and two touchdowns while sophomore fullback Troy Williams had 111 yards and added a score.
Madison's first-team offense put on a show for Applewhite, scoring on all five of its possessions before it was taken out midway through the second quarter with a 34-0 lead.
When Alex Montgomery returned a punt 70 yards for a TD midway through the third quarter, Madison (7-1, 5-1 District 26-5A) had a 47-0 lead and Applewhite had seen enough.
Green's play of the night was an 8-yard TD run in the second quarter. He started to the right but found nothing. So he retraced his steps to the line of scrimmage, avoided a Lee defender, then ran left to the end zone.
He also scored on a 20-yard run in the first quarter and finished with nine carries.
Green now has 1,453 yards and 20 TDs for the season, passing Clark's Jock Tilghman (1,451 yards) to become the area's leading rusher. Clark is off this week.
Madison quarterback Leo Gutierrez suffered a right shoulder injury on Madison's opening drive, but later returned and threw a 9-yard TD pass to Chris Doring.
“The trainers said my shoulder popped out of the socket but went back in when I hit the ground,” Gutierrez said. “I felt good throwing on the sidelines so I went back in the game.”
Backup quarterback Kevin Cortez ran for a TD and threw one to Alex Montgomery.
The Mavericks defense also did its part, holding Lee (2-6, 1-5) to 43 first-half yards. Senior Tyler James also recovered a Volunteers fumble.
Madison was coming off a 44-21 victory over Churchill where the Mavericks had three turnovers in the first three minutes. Mavs coach Jim Streety said starting strong was the focus this week, and Madison had a 20-0 lead at the end of the first quarter.
“We weren't happy at all last week,” Green said. “This time, we had to be ready.”
The rumor is, Major was there to look at the WR Askew. Of course, it helps that Green is there too. But, the sidebar talk has Texas hunting Askew.
That be the RUMOR. ;)
saMavsFan
10-24-2008, 11:51 AM
The rumor is, Major was there to look at the WR Askew. Of course, it helps that Green is there too. But, the sidebar talk has Texas hunting Askew.
That be the RUMOR. ;)
Well they are both extremely deserving of whatever good things happen to them. Askew is a BEAST!!!!!!!
saMavsFan
10-24-2008, 11:54 AM
Looked like a little less "waiting", a little more "go get 'em" tonight with the defensive play calling. Really nice turn around from the last few games. Congrats, see ya next Thursday ! :D
Yep! Roosevelt's a helluva team. Looking forward to the game a whole lot!
ReaganRattlerDad
10-24-2008, 10:54 PM
I think I'd take playing Reagan over SV anyday. Oh, and trust me, Pville won't be making an early exit.
Why should we trust you if you're so worried about playing SV?
saMavsFan
10-24-2008, 11:03 PM
Roosevelt eked out a win tonight against Mac 31-28. Roosevelt brought it early on, but Mac was fighting the whole way. Really classy move by La Hue and the Rough Riders at the end of the game. They probably could have scored on 1st and goal from 4 yards out, but with time dwindling they kneeled it. Great game and a good set up for the Roosevelt vs. Madison game at Comalander this coming Thursday night. Homecoming for both teams, so it ought to be spectacular!
wizenbud
10-24-2008, 11:25 PM
Roosevelt eked out a win tonight against Mac 31-28. Roosevelt brought it early on, but Mac was fighting the whole way. Really classy move by La Hue and the Rough Riders at the end of the game. They probably could have scored on 1st and goal from 4 yards out, but with time dwindling they kneeled it. Great game and a good set up for the Roosevelt vs. Madison game at Comalander this coming Thursday night. Homecoming for both teams, so it ought to be spectacular!
That was the worst officiated game I have EVER seen. TR coaches will be sending this tape in to UIL. That crew should never be allowed near a football field again. I have been watching and playing this game for over 32 years. Tonight took the cake. I am more proud tonight of the kids of TR than any other game this year. To have to play 16 on 11 for the entire game was a travesty. Those men should be ashamed. I am just glad TR won so this little rant couldn't be called sour grapes. If anyone gets that crew, beware. They like to pick a side and help them throughout the game. Unprofessional, that's exactly what I would call the crew tonight. 2 blind men, a dog, and 2 hamsters, could have called a better game. Disgust, isn't a strong enough word. Hopefully, we can get some real refs for the playoffs.
wizenbud
10-24-2008, 11:27 PM
Congrats to this years 26-5A playoff teams......... :notworthy
Smithson Valley
Madison
Reagan
and........
My beloved TR.
Way to go guys, just a district title to claim. Good luck to all 4 teams. This has been one heck of a year, thanks.
Clark Cougar
10-24-2008, 11:29 PM
I don't know about the entire game but the one hightlight I saw on the news was an awful call in Roosevelt's favor for a touchdown. A reverse throw that obviously hit the ground. That referee was right there on the call.
wizenbud
10-24-2008, 11:36 PM
I don't know about the entire game but the one hightlight I saw on the news was an awful call in Roosevelt's favor for a touchdown. A reverse throw that obviously hit the ground. That referee was right there on the call.
That was the only call all night for TR. Mac got the TD right back with a catch out of bounds, a defensive holding, and 3 straight pass interfence calls.
TR was called for 16 penalties. Mac, only 5. 3 in the first half. TR's coaching staff will be tearring in to UIL. Reagan should watch out for Mac's o-line. They like to chop block. Enage you with one and drop down on the knee with another. 3 broken legs tonight for TR. 2 on chop-blocks. Mac's coaches should be ashamed also. Dirty. Just flat out dirty play. If TR would have played like that, the city would be up in arms calling us thugs !! I will call this like I see it, disgusting.
wizenbud
10-24-2008, 11:55 PM
That was the only call all night for TR. Mac got the TD right back with a catch out of bounds, a defensive holding, and 3 straight pass interfence calls.
TR was called for 16 penalties. Mac, only 5. 3 in the first half. TR's coaching staff will be tearring in to UIL. Reagan should watch out for Mac's o-line. They like to chop block. Enage you with one and drop down on the knee with another. 3 broken legs tonight for TR. 2 on chop-blocks. Mac's coaches should be ashamed also. Dirty. Just flat out dirty play. If TR would have played like that, the city would be up in arms calling us thugs !! I will call this like I see it, disgusting.
Not once, all year, have I called out any crew. Normally, I am very understanding. But this time, I leave understanding at the door. This game tape should be studied by future Zebra's, on how NOT to call a game. :Censor:
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 12:20 AM
I don't know about the entire game but the one hightlight I saw on the news was an awful call in Roosevelt's favor for a touchdown. A reverse throw that obviously hit the ground. That referee was right there on the call.
I just saw the play. That wasn't obvious. I have the view from the endzone. There is still space between the ball and ground. It was a catch.
Roosevelt eked out a win tonight against Mac 31-28. Roosevelt brought it early on, but Mac was fighting the whole way. Really classy move by La Hue and the Rough Riders at the end of the game. They probably could have scored on 1st and goal from 4 yards out, but with time dwindling they kneeled it. Great game and a good set up for the Roosevelt vs. Madison game at Comalander this coming Thursday night. Homecoming for both teams, so it ought to be spectacular!
They also won on another controversial call again.Just saw high school scoreboard and the double reverse pass that Roosevelt scored on looked like it hit the ground. http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/sagametime_video/?bclid=1753282876&bctid=1877566937&pagecnt=1
That was the only call all night for TR. Mac got the TD right back with a catch out of bounds, a defensive holding, and 3 straight pass interfence calls.
TR was called for 16 penalties. Mac, only 5. 3 in the first half. TR's coaching staff will be tearring in to UIL. Reagan should watch out for Mac's o-line. They like to chop block. Enage you with one and drop down on the knee with another. 3 broken legs tonight for TR. 2 on chop-blocks. Mac's coaches should be ashamed also. Dirty. Just flat out dirty play. If TR would have played like that, the city would be up in arms calling us thugs !! I will call this like I see it, disgusting.
Its not illegal Madison and Westlake have been doing it for some time now.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 12:32 AM
They also won on another controversial call again.Just saw high school scoreboard and the double reverse pass that Roosevelt scored on looked like it hit the ground. http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/sagametime_video/?bclid=1753282876&bctid=1877566937&pagecnt=1
Look at that again. You couldn't see it hit the ground on that view. Looks like Perkins fingers are under the ball. You can see the inside of Perkins glove. Pause it, look at it. grey gloves on the out side, black on the palms. Look at the palm, look at his fingers. Under the ball.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 12:34 AM
Its not illegal Madison and Westlake have been doing it for some time now.
It is legal for an O-lineman to be engaged with a d-linemen and then have a different o-lineman come from the side a hit the kness ?? REALLY ?? Try again.
Look at that again. You couldn't see it hit the ground on that view. Looks like Perkins fingers are under the ball.
Depends how how you see it I guess....I see the ball touching the ground....even if it is the back end of the ball and just touches it a little then it is supposed to be called incomplete...like yoiu said the refs were horrible. ;)
It is legal for an O-lineman to be engaged with a d-linemen and then have a different o-lineman come from the side a hit the kness ?? REALLY ?? Try again.
I miss understood your post I thought you meant chop blocking is dirty....you sure are edgy tonight after a game that should have been a blow out :confused:
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 12:48 AM
I miss understood your post I thought you meant chop blocking is dirty....you sure are edgy tonight after a game that should have been a blow out :confused:
The game was a blow out. Just not on the score board.
Sorry man. Last year, my team played like Mac did tonight. We got killed for it.
CKE, I mean, it was like everything was against us. I can upload the game tape for you. I am watching it right now. I watched 2 kids get wheeled off the field and put on to "meat trucks". The 2nd half was like being in the twlight zone. Armstrong was dragged down by his facemask right in front of 2 refs. No call. But, the next play we break a 25 yd run, boom a block in the back, on the backside of the play. Mac's ball, 3rd and 21, the WR runs out of bounds, catches the ball out of bounds, 1st down Mac. 1st and goal TR @ the 5. Illegal motion penalty. No ONE was MOVING !! How about this, TR in Mac redzone, Pass to WR, DB shoves WR down in front of back judge, no call. INT instead. The Mac coaches were yelling at the refs from the first play on. TR's coaches were on the refs after they started playing 16 on 11. Coach LaHue is a REAL LAID back guy, he was SCREAMING at the refs. It was just surreal. :ninja:
patient1019
10-25-2008, 12:59 AM
I can assure you that there was no intentional dirty play from the Mac side. The officiating was highly questionable, I will say that, but for a game that was billed to be a free win for Roosevelt...they could have lost this one. Mac shot themselves in the foot late in the game (as is our custom) and Roosy held on. Despite certain unfortunate events/bad calling, this turned out to be a great game.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 01:03 AM
I can assure you that there was no intentional dirty play from the Mac side. The officiating was highly questionable, I will say that, but for a game that was billed to be a free win for Roosevelt...they could have lost this one. Mac shot themselves in the foot late in the game (as is our custom) and Roosy held on. Despite certain unfortunate events/bad calling, this turned out to be a great game.
What was with the dirty play then ? Since when is it ok to go after a d-linemens knees while he is engaged with another o-linemen ? Coaching staff teach that crap ?? Can't block the guy, so break his leg ?
The game was a blow out. Just not on the score board.
Sorry man. Last year, my team played like Mac did tonight. We got killed for it.
CKE, I mean, it was like everything was against us. I can upload the game tape for you. I am watching it right now. I watched 2 kids get wheeled off the field and put on to "meat trucks". The 2nd half was like being in the twlight zone. Armstrong was dragged down by his facemask right in front of 2 refs. No call. But, the next play we break a 25 yd run, boom a block in the back, on the backside of the play. Mac's ball, 3rd and 21, the WR runs out of bounds, catches the ball out of bounds, 1st down Mac. 1st and goal TR @ the 5. Illegal motion penalty. No ONE was MOVING !! How about this, TR in Mac redzone, Pass to WR, DB shoves WR doen in front of back judge, no call. INT instead. The Mac coaches were yelling at the refs from the first play on. TR's coaches were on the refs after they started playing 16 on 11. Coach LaHue is a REAL LAID back guy, he was SCREAMING at the refs. It was just surreal. :ninja:
It happens to every team...it happened to use against Reagan in 2006 when we had 13 penalties to Reagan's 2....I have never seen a game in 13 years I have been watching were SV has committed over 5 penalties other than that game and 1 this year(this year was legit they had there head in their *****). Add the whole thug thing...TR did it on a weekly bases last year this is the first I have heard of Mac this year but I'm sure if they were doing it every week then it would be talked about more...No excuse for dirty play though
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 01:09 AM
It happens to every team...it happened to use against Reagan in 2006 when we had 13 penalties to Reagan's 2....I have never seen a game in 13 years I have been watching were SV has committed over 5 penalties other than that game and 1 this year(this year was legit they had there head in their *****). Add the whole thug thing...TR did it on a weekly bases last year this is the first I have heard of Mac this year but I'm sure if they were doing it every week then it would be talked about more...No excuse for dirty play though
3 guys broke legs tonight. 2 on defense, 1 had to be carted off. 1 on offense, carted off. But, that wasn't a dirty play though. The 2 defensive plays, CLEAR AS DAY dirty !!
3 guys broke legs tonight. 2 on defense, 1 had to be carted off. 1 on offense, carted off. But, that wasn't a dirty play though. The 2 defensive plays, CLEAR AS DAY dirty !!
Like I said no excuse for that. Mac should not have done that I was answering why no one is jumping down their throats like we were TR last year
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 01:17 AM
Congrats on SV's win. Looks like you and Reagan will battle it out for district. We took a beating with injuries tonight. 3 starters out for the year. 2 more out for at least a week or 2 because of knee sprains. So TR is out of the running for district.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 01:19 AM
Like I said no excuse for that. Mac should not have done that I was answering why no one is jumping down their throats like we were TR last year
my bad. :o
Congrats on SV's win. Looks like you and Reagan will battle it out for district. We took a beating with injuries tonight. 3 starters out for the year. 2 more out for at least a week or 2 because of knee sprains. So TR is out of the running for district.
Not going to work nice try :D;)
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 01:28 AM
Not going to work nice try :D;)
No, really. We lost the heart and soul of our Defense tonight. Both guys lost are our anchors. Without them, we don't stand a chance against Madison's Green. Without them, we can't get the push we normally get up the middle to contain Brown and Matthews. The coaches were even quiet after the game. We earned the playoffs, but at a high cost. That's why there is such an edge tonight.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/h...s_injured.html
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 01:33 AM
I guess TR still had a penance to give for last years team. Still, TR made the playoff for only the 9th time ever. Got to be happy about that. :D
mad_fan
10-25-2008, 05:37 AM
Its not illegal Madison and Westlake have been doing it for some time now.
Without Judson in the 265...we dont have lonny anymore...
But we still have the conspiracy theories...
:rolleyes:...
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 07:44 AM
Without Judson in the 265...we dont have lonny anymore...
But we still have the conspiracy theories...
:rolleyes:...
Which theory we talking here ?
MADMAVMOM
10-25-2008, 08:43 AM
No, really. We lost the heart and soul of our Defense tonight. Both guys lost are our anchors. Without them, we don't stand a chance against Madison's Green. Without them, we can't get the push we normally get up the middle to contain Brown and Matthews. The coaches were even quiet after the game. We earned the playoffs, but at a high cost. That's why there is such an edge tonight.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/h...s_injured.html
Never give up. Look how many injuries Madison had last year and still won district and went far in the playoffs. We lost KEY players - game after game after game, also the heart of our team, and were still successful.
Hope the injured boys are okay. Believe me, I feel your pain.
Shame on Mac if they played intentionally dirty. Sometimes what goes around, comes around though. Maybe it's Bad Karma? Madison was on the raw end of the same deal last year with TR. I asked some of our guys last night if Mac played dirty with us and they said not at all. And wow, I can't see Fuchak letting his guys intentionally hurt another player. I know the man and that's not his style.
Let's hope for a good, clean game on Thursday. Good luck to both teams.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 09:36 AM
Never give up. Look how many injuries Madison had last year and still won district and went far in the playoffs. We lost KEY players - game after game after game, also the heart of our team, and were still successful.
Hope the injured boys are okay. Believe me, I feel your pain.
Shame on Mac if they played intentionally dirty. Sometimes what goes around, comes around though. Maybe it's Bad Karma? Madison was on the raw end of the same deal last year with TR. I asked some of our guys last night if Mac played dirty with us and they said not at all. And wow, I can't see Fuchak letting his guys intentionally hurt another player. I know the man and that's not his style.
Let's hope for a good, clean game on Thursday. Good luck to both teams.
We figure it's a penance we have to pay for last years team.
The kids (almost every member of the team), went to the hospital to see the Phillips.The mood is somber.
3 starters lost for the year. The kids are quiet, but mad. The LB position has been decimated. The D-Line meeting room looks like a geriatric ward. We were light at LB & DL to begin with. We are down to 3 healthy starters and JV call ups. The secondary made it out of the game alright. If we can keep from losing any more, we'll survive.
But, this is how you know we really were in control of that game.......
Mac 17 rushes for -1 yd, 14-28 for 255 passing. TR, 41 rushes for 205 yds, 15-25 for 226. TR kneeled out the clock on Mac's 4 yd line, 1st and goal.
Congrats to this years 26-5A playoff teams......... :notworthy
Smithson Valley
Madison
Reagan
and........
My beloved TR.
Way to go guys, just a district title to claim. Good luck to all 4 teams. This has been one heck of a year, thanks.
Not so fast...a little birdie is saying that Reagan has not officially clinched (I'll explain later)
BTW congrats TR......the seniors will really have to show their leadership to overcome the injurys. I hope you guys are playing in December.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 09:57 AM
Not so fast...a little birdie is saying that Reagan has not officially clinched (I'll explain later)
BTW congrats TR......the seniors will really have to show their leadership to overcome the injurys. I hope you guys are playing in December.
OK, you hooked me. What you got ?
patient1019
10-25-2008, 10:12 AM
Never give up. Look how many injuries Madison had last year and still won district and went far in the playoffs. We lost KEY players - game after game after game, also the heart of our team, and were still successful.
Hope the injured boys are okay. Believe me, I feel your pain.
Shame on Mac if they played intentionally dirty. Sometimes what goes around, comes around though. Maybe it's Bad Karma? Madison was on the raw end of the same deal last year with TR. I asked some of our guys last night if Mac played dirty with us and they said not at all. And wow, I can't see Fuchak letting his guys intentionally hurt another player. I know the man and that's not his style.
Let's hope for a good, clean game on Thursday. Good luck to both teams.
It's not his style at all. And the losses suffered on defense by Roosy were not intentional. Unfortunate, yes absolutely. But I know almost the entire Mac football team personally and I can GUARANTEE that not a single player on that team would do that on purpose. Not only that, but Fuschak would have them skinned alive for such conduct. Mac's main issue here is not dirty players, but a lack of discipline in knowing what each player should be doing. Mac gives up a lot of penalty yardage because they make stupid mistakes that cost them and occasionally their opponents. It happens.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 10:25 AM
It's not his style at all. And the losses suffered on defense by Roosy were not intentional. Unfortunate, yes absolutely. But I know almost the entire Mac football team personally and I can GUARANTEE that not a single player on that team would do that on purpose. Not only that, but Fuschak would have them skinned alive for such conduct. Mac's main issue here is not dirty players, but a lack of discipline in knowing what each player should be doing. Mac gives up a lot of penalty yardage because they make stupid mistakes that cost them and occasionally their opponents. It happens.
That's is a coaches responsiblity. CHOP blocking is the one of the worst. (not cut blocking) No excuse for that. None.
The only thing worse is TR's actions last year. I held them to the same standard as I am holding Mac players. Even if it wasn't meant to be dirty, that doesn't excuse the dirty play. Kids are taught from Pee-Wees, do not block below the waist if the defender is engaged with a fellow player. Football 101.
Now, with that said, I will take it as truth that Mac didn't intentionally go out to hurt TR players. But, will you agree, that officating crew shouldn't be allowed near another football field as long as they all shall live ? Terrible, for both teams at different times. Just horrible.
Without Judson in the 265...we dont have lonny anymore...
But we still have the conspiracy theories...
:rolleyes:...
:laugh
MADFAN#1
10-25-2008, 10:34 AM
We figure it's a penance we have to pay for last years team.
I guess it is a little bit of "What comes around goes around", "Bad Karma", "You reap what you sow". Your "team" last year did the exact same thing to more than one district opponent. Just look at the Madison game last year and all the walking wounded that was inflicted by dirty palys. But just like was posted earlier, don't give up, Madison lost many starters and the heart of their team and still won Region.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 10:55 AM
I guess it is a little bit of "What comes around goes around", "Bad Karma", "You reap what you sow". Your "team" last year did the exact same thing to more than one district opponent. Just look at the Madison game last year and all the walking wounded that was inflicted by dirty palys. But just like was posted earlier, don't give up, Madison lost many starters and the heart of their team and still won Region.
An excellent time for these young men to learn how to overcome adversity. I had to be reminded by someone I know count as a friend. I am sorry for lashing out at Mac fans and the Mac players. :o
Next week...... Madison. :D Good Luck, to all. :D
Bottomline
10-25-2008, 11:25 AM
That was the worst officiated game I have EVER seen. TR coaches will be sending this tape in to UIL. That crew should never be allowed near a football field again. I have been watching and playing this game for over 32 years. Tonight took the cake. I am more proud tonight of the kids of TR than any other game this year. To have to play 16 on 11 for the entire game was a travesty. Those men should be ashamed. I am just glad TR won so this little rant couldn't be called sour grapes. If anyone gets that crew, beware. They like to pick a side and help them throughout the game. Unprofessional, that's exactly what I would call the crew tonight. 2 blind men, a dog, and 2 hamsters, could have called a better game. Disgust, isn't a strong enough word. Hopefully, we can get some real refs for the playoffs.
TR, I too have been involved and watched High school Football for many many years. The bad calls were plentiful and as an unbiased fan last night, TR got just as many calls as did Mac. The TR players love throwing their shoulders into their opponents as they're walikng to their respective huddles. I was anxious to finally make it to a roosevelt game that by everyones account, they were a better team this year. The talent once again is there but the lack of discipline is still there. In a tight game they have in the past and once again last night are looking to start a fight. They have tremendous athletes, no need for that. Those tempers will one day cost them a game. They managed to hang on for a win and that is a sign of a championship team. Their specials teams, wow I hope for there own good they don't plan on kicking the ball to the Greens. I hope the brothers heal quickly and my prayers go out to them and their family. Your team will miss you guys but most importantly, you will rebound from this set back. :notworthy
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 11:44 AM
TR, I too have been involved and watched High school Football for many many years. The bad calls were plentiful and as an unbiased fan last night, TR got just as many calls as did Mac. The TR players love throwing their shoulders into their opponents as they're walikng to their respective huddles. I was anxious to finally make it to a roosevelt game that by everyones account, they were a better team this year. The talent once again is there but the lack of discipline is still there. In a tight game they have in the past and once again last night are looking to start a fight. They have tremendous athletes, no need for that. Those tempers will one day cost them a game. They managed to hang on for a win and that is a sign of a championship team. Their specials teams, wow I hope for there own good they don't plan on kicking the ball to the Greens. I hope the brothers heal quickly and my prayers go out to them and their family. Your team will miss you guys but most importantly, you will rebound from this set back. :notworthy
I'll just say, that's one opinion. Last years team would have started a fight. This years team got their emotions under control and finished the game like the playoff team they now are.
saMavsFan
10-25-2008, 11:56 AM
I'll just say, that's one opinion. Last years team would have started a fight. This years team got their emotions under control and finished the game like the playoff team they now are.
I agree. I wasn't at the game last night, but rough players is a lot different than fighting players. They may be a little chippy, but this is a good solid Roosevelt team IMO. Hell, every team has there moments of anger.
Bottomline
10-25-2008, 12:00 PM
TR, you are absolutely correct, that is just one opinion. On that note, If Blake catches that ball on Mac's last possesion, he is gone. Ball hit him at the knees but had he caught it, then there's a different discussion on here today. Great game by both teams and both made excellent adjustments when they needed to.
saMavsFan
10-25-2008, 12:20 PM
Anyone going to the Reagan/Johnson game today? Whenever the game involves Johnson, Churchill, or Lee this year, no one covers it on the radio.:mad: Madison played Lee on Thursday, one of only two games in San Antonio that night, and not one stinking radio station picked it up. So if no one is going, I'm going.
saMavsFan
10-25-2008, 12:26 PM
Not so fast...a little birdie is saying that Reagan has not officially clinched (I'll explain later)
BTW congrats TR......the seniors will really have to show their leadership to overcome the injurys. I hope you guys are playing in December.
The idea here is that Reagan now has one loss and Mac has 3. If Mac wins out it will include beating Reagan. Mac would need one other team, presumably Madison (seeing as how I don't think Johnson will get the job done today), to beat Reagan. Thus a 3 district loss tie and the head to head goes to Mac.
Reagan (1 loss in district)=has to lose against Mac in week 9, and one other game.
vs. Johnson today
vs. Mac in week 9
vs. Madison in week 10
Mac (3 losses in district)=must win out
vs. Reagan in week 9
vs. NB in week 10
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 12:35 PM
TR, you are absolutely correct, that is just one opinion. On that note, If Blake catches that ball on Mac's last possesion, he is gone. Ball hit him at the knees but had he caught it, then there's a different discussion on here today. Great game by both teams and both made excellent adjustments when they needed to.
If Adams hangs on to the pick the play before, the game ends there. But the game shouldn't have been that close, thats one thing we all can agree on. the stats bare that out. 400 plus yards for TR, 254 yds for Mac.
wizenbud
10-25-2008, 12:37 PM
The idea here is that Reagan now has one loss and Mac has 3. If Mac wins out it will include beating Reagan. Mac would need one other team, presumably Madison (seeing as how I don't think Johnson will get the job done today), to beat Reagan. Thus a 3 district loss tie and the head to head goes to Mac.
Reagan (1 loss in district)=has to lose against Mac in week 9, and one other game.
vs. Johnson today
vs. Mac in week 9
vs. Madison in week 10
Mac (3 losses in district)=must win out
vs. Reagan in week 9
vs. NB in week 10
WOW !! It's not over yet !!
Bottomline
10-25-2008, 01:06 PM
C'mon man, you know as well as I do that stats don't win games. Bottomline, that game last night was not sealed up until the last min. of the game. No reason for that at all. Not with all that talent and team speed. They had ALOT of trouble covering that sideline route and got out jumped most of the time on that play. With or without the injuries they are in a dog fight with Madison and no way they best SV even with a healthy squad.
mad_fan
10-25-2008, 06:06 PM
:laugh
Just have to remind you from time-to-time...
I still read your crap...;)
saMavsFan
10-26-2008, 01:39 AM
WOW! Reagan put it on Johnson tonight 45-7. Reagan wins one more game and they're in the playoffs. Congrats!
wizenbud
10-26-2008, 08:30 AM
C'mon man, you know as well as I do that stats don't win games. Bottomline, that game last night was not sealed up until the last min. of the game. No reason for that at all. Not with all that talent and team speed. They had ALOT of trouble covering that sideline route and got out jumped most of the time on that play. With or without the injuries they are in a dog fight with Madison and no way they best SV even with a healthy squad.
I sense you are worried. True the fade hurt TR last night. But, Mac only had 17 plays of postive yds. Out of 45 plays. TR lead the entire game. Mac didn't cross their own 40 yd line after their last score with 10 minutes to go. TR put the game away. Did we not kneel out the game at the Mac 4 yd line ?? Did we not shut down the fade after Mac last score ?? I'll give Mac some credit, they needed that win, but lost. Gave TR everything they had, still came up short. As for SV and Madison, those games were going to test TR no matter what. This TR fan never said that TR would beat Madison or SV. We don't have too. Not yet anyway. TR is a Jr team. This team minus 4 players will be back together next year. This year was to make the playoffs, next year we try and take the District. ;)
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