SLC wins over FM Marcus - Observations

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

SLC guts out a win against a pretty good Flower Mound Marcus team. Here are the things I noticed in the game:

1. SLC is racking up some injuries, backups played well though. What does the future hold?
2. Someone needs to teach SLC how to tackle. If I was counting right Marcus had 3 TD runs of over 60 yards. All of which SLC had a chance to stop fairly close to the line of scrimmage.
3. If Marcus has even a Decent QB this game would be different. SLC had to leave so many men in the box that Joel Free (pretty damn good reciever) was left in single coverage all night. If that QB had any kind of arm.......
4. Pretty gutsy call going for it on 4 and 1 with the score tied and time running out. Not as ballsy as say going for it on 4 and 5 or more, but bold move none the less.

Very good game on both sides of the ball. Good job by both teams.

[Marcus Fan]

The two short punts late hurt Marcus and they couldn't stop the run or the pass. Marcus didn't have any real long time consuming drives. They either went three and out or they scored from 70 yards out. Carroll's passing game is impressive and the backup QB also did some nice running. If SLC is going very far this year they will have to play better defense.
Surprised to see Marcus run out the clock with two time outs befor the half with the ball on the 40.

[hollywood]

I did not expect a close game here, nor SLC having to come from behind. Congrats to them for sucking it up and pulling this one out. That was especially tough after the game that got away last week. Has to be a heartbreaker for Marcus. Nice try!!

I know folks say a loss is a loss, but kudos to marcus for making this a great game.

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

The two short punts late hurt Marcus and they couldn't stop the run or the pass. Marcus didn't have any real long time consuming drives. They either went three and out or they scored from 70 yards out. Carroll's passing game is impressive and the backup QB also did some nice running. If SLC is going very far this year they will have to play better defense.
Surprised to see Marcus run out the clock with two time outs befor the half with the ball on the 40.


That was odd. I can somewhat see the logic as they were getting the ball in the second half, but Marcus was breaking huge plays with the run. Don't do anything stupid, but at least give it a shot up the middle.

[Grapeguy]

Enjoyable win..but not having Cade really hurt tonight..

SLC guts out a win against a pretty good Flower Mound Marcus team. Here are the things I noticed in the game:

1. SLC is racking up some injuries, backups played well though. What does the future hold?
2. Someone needs to teach SLC how to tackle. See #1 above If I was counting right Marcus had 3 TD runs of over 60 yards. All of which SLC had a chance to stop fairly close to the line of scrimmage.
3. If Marcus has even a Decent QB this game would be different. SLC had to leave so many men in the box that Joel Free (pretty damn good reciever) was left in single coverage all night. If that QB had any kind of arm.......
4. Pretty gutsy call going for it on 4 and 1 with the score tied and time running out. Not really...see #1 above. Not as ballsy as say going for it on 4 and 5 or more, but bold move none the less.

Very good game on both sides of the ball. Good job by both teams.

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

The two short punts late hurt Marcus and they couldn't stop the run or the pass.


I believe Joel Free actually downed 1 of those last punts..........Not good seeing as how he is the freakin' punter.

[Marcus Fan]

I believe Joel Free actually downed 1 of those last punts..........Not good seeing as how he is the freakin' punter.

Poor kid actually boomed a couple earlier in the game to get them out of trouble. At any rate MArcus had to stop them and couldn't.

[padcrasher]

The conventional wisdom about SLC was that that their defense had really firmed up and it was the offense that needed to improve. Judging by their last two games it looks like the defense is the weak link. 88 points allowed in the last two games. Something needs to be done about giving up these plays for long yardage. It just kills them. They play fairy solid on D then they thow it all away on a handfull of bad plays. Needing around 7 touchdowns to win a game is not going to get you very far in the playoffs.

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

Enjoyable win..but not having Cade really hurt tonight..

I was not aware that the kicker was one of those injured. That does make going for it a no brainer. Retract #4.

[slcdragonfan]

I was not aware that the kicker was one of those injured. That does make going for it a no brainer. Retract #4.

Cade is the kicker and the MLB.

[ruffshod]

The conventional wisdom about SLC was that that their defense had really firmed up and it was the offense that needed to improve. Judging by their last two games it looks like the defense is the weak link. 88 points allowed in the last two games. Something needs to be done about giving up these plays for long yardage. It just kills them. They play fairy solid on D then they thow it all away on a handfull of bad plays.

NS is suffering the same fate.

[drgnbkr]

SLC guts out a win against a pretty good Flower Mound Marcus team. Here are the things I noticed in the game:

1. SLC is racking up some injuries, backups played well though. What does the future hold?
2. Someone needs to teach SLC how to tackle. If I was counting right Marcus had 3 TD runs of over 60 yards. All of which SLC had a chance to stop fairly close to the line of scrimmage.
3. If Marcus has even a Decent QB this game would be different. SLC had to leave so many men in the box that Joel Free (pretty damn good reciever) was left in single coverage all night. If that QB had any kind of arm.......
4. Pretty gutsy call going for it on 4 and 1 with the score tied and time running out. Not as ballsy as say going for it on 4 and 5 or more, but bold move none the less.

Very good game on both sides of the ball. Good job by both teams.

I would have to lay the yards gained by Marcus more on Hopkins ability and the fact that one of our leaders, MLB Cade Foster was out early with an injury. We have a lot of kids wanting to step up for their turn and tonight they passed with flying colors effort wise.

[drgnbkr]

I believe Joel Free actually downed 1 of those last punts..........Not good seeing as how he is the freakin' punter.

Yeah, it was a 16 yard punt...There was good pressure coming right at him on that one though. Bad time to shank one.

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

Cade is the kicker and the MLB.


All apologies for not knowing the Dragon's main players and positions:o. I will study up next time.

[drgnbkr]

All apologies for not knowing the Dragon's main players and positions:o. I will study up next time.

We have a number of nicked up kids, some of whom will take a while to heal....Once again..it is a fact that Wasson has had to deal with far more injuries than Dodge did the entire time he was here.

[slcdragonfan]

All apologies for not knowing the Dragon's main players and positions:o. I will study up next time.

No way to know everybody on every team, at least not for me.:)

[Marcus Fan]

What happened to Padron?

[padcrasher]

NS is suffering the same fate.

But this sort of thing can be corrected. Team tackling, wrapping the ball carrier up. This is defense 101. Something SLC should excel at.

[SLC]

SLC guts out a win against a pretty good Flower Mound Marcus team. Here are the things I noticed in the game:

1. SLC is racking up some injuries, backups played well though. What does the future hold?

Kyle out for 6 weeks... David will be fine.... Cade out for 3-4 weeks.. Kicking should be ok, though obviously not nearly on the level Cade had it.. At LB is where we will feel it most..

2. Someone needs to teach SLC how to tackle. If I was counting right Marcus had 3 TD runs of over 60 yards. All of which SLC had a chance to stop fairly close to the line of scrimmage.

Chalk this one up to a GREAT back at Marcus.. Hopkins is for real!!

3. If Marcus has even a Decent QB this game would be different. SLC had to leave so many men in the box that Joel Free (pretty damn good reciever) was left in single coverage all night. If that QB had any kind of arm.......

Would have been a price we would have to pay to stop the run... But then we wouldnt have needed to stuff the box if they had a passing threat..4. Pretty gutsy call going for it on 4 and 1 with the score tied and time running out. Not as ballsy as say going for it on 4 and 5 or more, but bold move none the less.

Cade was out... And there was a lack of confidence or unsureness in kicking it there.. And I dont believe Carroll wanted to settle for the field goal anyway... Not this week considering last week we kicked one and Coppell drove it in and beat us with a TD..


Very good game on both sides of the ball. Good job by both teams.

An excellent game by both teams.. alot of heart displayed on both sides of the field...



Answers in bold.... Way to go Dragons.....:notworthy

[drgnbkr]

What happened to Padron?

Hurt his hand...Hit it on the defenders helmet...any speculation on the length of time out needs to be taken to PM's. IMO

[SLC13]

I would have to lay the yards gained by Marcus more on Hopkins ability and the fact that one of our leaders, MLB Cade Foster was out early with an injury. We have a lot of kids wanting to step up for their turn and tonight they passed with flying colors effort wise.

Especially Piland......coming in cold off the bench like that with the team behind and guiding the offense to 35 points and the win. Just an absolutely terrific performance!!!!!! :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

We have a number of nicked up kids, some of whom will take a while to heal....Once again..it is a fact that Wasson has had to deal with far more injuries than Dodge did the entire time he was here.


I had questioned whether or not Wasson was in the top 3 of coaches in the District in earlier posts, but this game was a testament Wasson's ability to keep his men focused regardless of the seemingly insurmountable odds. Tonight he is in the top 3. I am a little biased from seeing the game, but I would say 1. Brazil 1a. Erwin 1b. Wasson.

[SLC]

What happened to Padron?

Were not suppose to be specific about injuries on here... Lets just say it is a injury to 1 of 2 things that touch the ball...;)

[hollywood]

Cade is the kicker and the MLB.

Wow. Not the usual combination of duties. Must be a great athlete.

[Marcus Fan]

I thought Carroll fans traveled with their team. I was actually surprised to see empty seats on the visitors side? Those that were there were fairly loud.
Once again congrats to Carroll.

[hollywood]

Answers in bold.... Way to go Dragons.....:notworthy

They found a way to win. Kudos!

[padcrasher]

""Chalk this one up to a GREAT back at Marcus.. Hopkins is for real!!"""

I've seen too many football games in my time to just let it slide because they had a good running back.

I can recall Div I recruits for Irving and Farmer's Branch schools getting mediocre yardage with they come up against an disciplined defense from run of the mill schools.

[ftballin11]

Chalk this one up to a GREAT back at Marcus.. Hopkins is for real!!"

I've seen too many football games in my time to just let it slide because they had a good running back.

I can recall Div I recruits for Irving and Farmer's Branch schools getting mediocre yardage with they come up against an disciplined defense from run of the mill schools.

That great back got completely shut down by a struggling katy team. I think theres alittle more to it. Even with 8 in the box and the other team being 1 deminsional.

[SLC]

pinion...minion... wide... whereever you are.... WE WON!!!!!



YOU=FAIL!!!!!!:D

[drgnbkr]

pinion...minion... wide... whereever you are.... WE WON!!!!!



YOU=FAIL!!!!!!:D

He's ok...he was just trying to get under our skin....

[slcdragonfan]

That great back got completely shut down by a struggling katy team. I think theres alittle more to it. Even with 8 in the box and the other team being 1 deminsional.

AS posted elsewhere, we had some key injuries, but yes, we have work to do on D. If you look, a lot of those yards were on very long runs.

And for Lonnie, the Cajun Nostradamus, you were wrong. So now we know you are fallible. Also, batting 500.

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

That great back got completely shut down by a struggling katy team. I think theres alittle more to it. Even with 8 in the box and the other team being 1 deminsional.


I have to agree, that kid was good......damn good.....but give me a break. On at least 3 of those long runs, the guy was hit with a minimal gain (if you call 8 yds a minimal gain). I give him credit for hitting the gas after the Dragons slid off of him, but he should have had a great game instead of a HOLY SH ! T/Unbelievable game.

[SLC]

He's ok...he was just trying to get under our skin....


Oh I know that... He was only on here doing it because of me...... We were PM'N each other about the Coppell game after alst week... Were both just having fun......;)

[drgnbkr]

AS posted elsewhere, we had some key injuries, but yes, we have work to do on D. If you look, a lot of those yards were on very long runs.

And for Lonnie, the Cajun Nostradamus, you were wrong. So now we know you are fallible. Also, batting 500.

If he picks Carroll to lose every week, he's going to have a miserable %...:D

[slcdragonfan]

If he picks Carroll to lose every week, he's going to have a miserable %...:D

Well, he said he picked us to win out from here, lets hope that prognostication is correct!

We can savor this win, then look for Flower Mound.

[longball]

Blame this one on Erwin, all Marcus needed was a first down , so why not go outside with the Newsome , speed , mix it up ..something different,, Correct ,till they get a QB that can throw down field , instead of sideways, scramble a little, 1 and 4 in district .Whos calling the plays?????????????

[green day]

Observed...

...Dragons with a little more in their tank...

...the most incredible pass and catch, late 2nd Q, between Piland and Rake for the score... you gotta be kidding! Clutch...

...back-ups in lots of positions coming thru...

which is why we feel a little better tonite

[yankee]

Wow. Not the usual combination of duties. Must be a great athlete.

the dude's like 6'2 220...

[the_phoenix612]

Observed...

...Dragons with a little more in their tank...

...the most incredible pass and catch, late 2nd Q, between Piland and Rake for the score... you gotta be kidding! Clutch...

...back-ups in lots of positions coming thru...

which is why we feel a little better tonite

my heart, i think, skipped a beat when I saw those two Marcus defenders it went through.
that ball had some HEAT on it.:eek:

Hopkins is a BEAST, several times I saw him break 2-3 tackles at the SAME time, and I'm not talking arm tackles, but guys hitting him square on and just bouncing off like nobody's business.

I look forward to seeing him in the future.
is it true hes just a junior?:eek:

[the_phoenix612]

I also realized that I do not like exciting games.

I'll take boring old 49-0 games from here on out :laugh

[SLC]

I also realized that I do not like exciting games.

I'll take boring old 49-0 games from here on out :laugh

I'm with you on that one.... :D

[Vols4Ever]

I think it is fair, at this point, to say that Carroll is not as good defensively as it has been in recent years.....however -- man they still put up a lot of points on offense.

[Southlake Carroll Dragons]

Carroll is rebuilding big time. Pilon did awesome tonight.

[DrEdward]

I think it is fair, at this point, to say that Carroll is not as good defensively as it has been in recent years.....however -- man they still put up a lot of points on offense.

Sure, but we suspected as much going into the season. In defense of the defense, however, tonight (and to a lesser extent last week) the defense played without one of its starting cornerbacks, its starting middle linebacker, and a starting defensive tackle. That is a 27% hit on the starting eleven. This would appear to have a bit of explanatory power as to the relative vulnerability to the run, especially up the middle. Of course, Marcus' running back also had a good deal to do wth that as well. So my congratulations to the defense on performing in adversity. (More on the offense later.)

[DrEdward]

I was not aware that the kicker was one of those injured. That does make going for it a no brainer. Retract #4.

Carroll actually has another pretty good kicker who is very capable of making such a field goal. You saw him covering the kick off duties for Foster. You can probably put (4) back in place if you like.

[farmerfan]

I would have to lay the yards gained by Marcus more on Hopkins ability and the fact that one of our leaders, MLB Cade Foster was out early with an injury. We have a lot of kids wanting to step up for their turn and tonight they passed with flying colors effort wise.

but i thought those classes backing them up were so talented the rest of the distcit was in for a sruorprise. the loss of cade cshouldnt have heart a defense that never would have let a all dominant runing team stay in the game?

oh thats right, injuries only count for a certain few

[farmerfan]

I had questioned whether or not Wasson was in the top 3 of coaches in the District in earlier posts, but this game was a testament Wasson's ability to keep his men focused regardless of the seemingly insurmountable odds. Tonight he is in the top 3. I am a little biased from seeing the game, but I would say 1. Brazil 1a. Erwin 1b. Wasson.

wasson does not even sniff the jock of Erwin and Brazil. Erwin is in year two of a progeram that was discfunct and has rbought them back qucikly to respectability. just wait until he can get htat full class in. Braziul is much the ame. So Wasson won a game tonight , woopdty doo. he still has nothing to show he is there with Erwin and Brazil

[farmerfan]

I have to agree, that kid was good......damn good.....but give me a break. On at least 3 of those long runs, the guy was hit with a minimal gain (if you call 8 yds a minimal gain). I give him credit for hitting the gas after the Dragons slid off of him, but he should have had a great game instead of a HOLY SH ! T/Unbelievable game.

Look, Hoplins is a grea bckc. He will not get accoloades due to indjury but nomatter the inkjury or not he would have done the same. The guy is a warrior regardless if he wears gren or not. Just known that with a lot of the dreagons excuses are made.

[farmerfan]

AS posted elsewhere, we had some key injuries, but yes, we have work to do on D. If you look, a lot of those yards were on very long runs.

And for Lonnie, the Cajun Nostradamus, you were wrong. So now we know you are fallible. Also, batting 500.

but yall were wrong too, I mean how many of yall predcited a win by at least 20+ points?

I mean had it not been for the bad piunts Marcus wins this game.

[farmerfan]

Carroll is rebuilding big time. Pilon did awesome tonight.

not what we were told

[farmerfan]

AS posted elsewhere, we had some key injuries, but yes, we have work to do on D. If you look, a lot of those yards were on very long runs.

And for Lonnie, the Cajun Nostradamus, you were wrong. So now we know you are fallible. Also, batting 500.

Is that npot part of football?:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

Blame this one on Erwin, all Marcus needed was a first down , so why not go outside with the Newsome , speed , mix it up ..something different,, Correct ,till they get a QB that can throw down field , instead of sideways, scramble a little, 1 and 4 in district .Whos calling the plays?????????????

Yeah blame Erwin and fire him and send him over to Main St. We'll take him in ah heartbeat.
*******

[Drgnlady]

I thought Carroll fans traveled with their team. I was actually surprised to see empty seats on the visitors side? Those that were there were fairly loud.
Once again congrats to Carroll.

I bet many of our fans gave up after driving around the Marcus campus looking for the stadium. We made that mistake and saw lots of dragon stickers cruising around FM.:o

[green day]

Something tells me the 24 hour rule is not going to apply here this week. We have way too much to work on, to wait til Monday.

David, bless his heart, probably needed help from others on the plays and switch offs to lineman, is going to need some Dragon 101 in a hurry. Timing with his receivers will improve with practice and he absolutely needs to stay healthy. Tough kid, this is going to be fun, he played like Goliath!

KW didn't look 100%- KP out for awhile. We need some QB's...

If Cade needs time, I can tell you we just need some time to work in # 9 Trent Miller as a holder and we'll be fine there. Miller is probably a starter at WR next year, good hands..

LET'S GO TO WORK

[HebronHawk]

Well, he said he picked us to win out from here, lets hope that prognostication is correct!

We can savor this win, then look for Flower Mound.

Our Halloween game at the Woodshed will go a long way towards determining who gets the District Championship this year.

I feel good about the Hawks chances.

[HebronHawk]

I bet many of our fans gave up after driving around the Marcus campus looking for the stadium. We made that mistake and saw lots of dragon stickers cruising around FM.:o

In a few years from now, you will find it there. :D

[HebronHawk]

Yeah blame Erwin and fire him and send him over to Main St. We'll take him in ah heartbeat.
*******

Good luck on that. I've told you before you can't have Coach Brazil even though he gets a Lewisville ISD check. :D

[Sakatha]

Farmer - Dude... Seriously? How are YOU feeling this morning?

~DnM

[DrEdward]

Farmer - Dude... Seriously? How are YOU feeling this morning?

~DnM

If farmer has any brain cells left functioning this morning, they are telling him to stay in bed. He has to recover sufficiently to be able to watch the red sox tonight.

[FeeltheHaka]

I was listening to a post game interview with Coach Wasson. He sounded more happy than I've ever heard him. He actually sounded like a Coach. To me, to many times he sounds like he is one of the Kids friends. I think last night had a positive affect on him. To pull out a victory with so many starters out takes some good coaching.

[ScopeUp]

Big Win for the Dragons, Basically beat Marcus with our JV unit playing really key positions considering all the injuries. We seem to be snake-bitten on injuries, but a sign of a well coached team is having the guys behind the starters ready to play at any given moment. A very hard fought contest, A win is a win any way you spin it. Great game tonight and the fourth down call was a huge statement/swing of momentum. Looking forward to the development of Pilon, this kid could be the running game we have been missing from the qb position. Great game Dragons!

[15Adragon]

That was a great TEAM win. SLC coaches, players, trainers, fans and anything else you can think of pulled together and had a huge win. Pass the green kool-aid that was big.:)

[drgnbkr]

Big Win for the Dragons, Basically beat Marcus with our JV unit playing really key positions considering all the injuries. We seem to be snake-bitten on injuries, but a sign of a well coached team is having the guys behind the starters ready to play at any given moment. A very hard fought contest, A win is a win any way you spin it. Great game tonight and the fourth down call was a huge statement/swing of momentum. Looking forward to the development of Pilon, this kid could be the running game we have been missing from the qb position. Great game Dragons!

Piland...David Piland

[drgnbkr]

I was listening to a post game interview with Coach Wasson. He sounded more happy than I've ever heard him. He actually sounded like a Coach. To me, to many times he sounds like he is one of the Kids friends. I think last night had a positive affect on him. To pull out a victory with so many starters out takes some good coaching.

From those who were there, Coach Wasson's halftime talk was one for the ages...Sometimes a team or a player steps it up...sometimes the coach. Piland and Wasson both stepped up big time last night, IMO And is it just me, or are we all witnessing a real-life Dr. Farmer / Mr. Hyde? I bet he needs an interpreter in the morning just to read his own posts.

[green day]

From those who were there, Coach Wasson's halftime talk was one for the ages...Sometimes a team or a player steps it up...sometimes the coach. Piland and Wasson both stepped up big time last night, IMO And is it just me, or are we all witnessing a real-life Dr. Farmer / Mr. Hyde? I bet he needs an interpreter in the morning just to read his own posts.

I dnot konw, maed perfetc sesne to me:)

[SLC]

Something tells me the 24 hour rule is not going to apply here this week. We have way too much to work on, to wait til Monday.

David, bless his heart, probably needed help from others on the plays and switch offs to lineman, is going to need some Dragon 101 in a hurry. Timing with his receivers will improve with practice and he absolutely needs to stay healthy. Tough kid, this is going to be fun, he played like Goliath!
KW didn't look 100%- KP out for awhile. We need some QB's...

If Cade needs time, I can tell you we just need some time to work in # 9 Trent Miller as a holder and we'll be fine there. Miller is probably a starter at WR next year, good hands..

LET'S GO TO WORK

I do agree he played like a goliath... But I disagree with the rest of this.... David is as prepared as any Dragon QB is... I think he played like he knew full well what he was doing... He has been doing this for awile.. He's an outstanding QB and I expect he will continue to play lights out.. we wont have KP, but I think we are fine at QB... We need to concentrate our efforts in other areas if we are to make a good run the rest of the way and into the playoffs..

[Grapeguy]

Carroll actually has another pretty good kicker who is very capable of making such a field goal. You saw him covering the kick off duties for Foster. You can probably put (4) back in place if you like.

We're very fortunate to have a back-up with the ability of Lopano. Certainly the best since we entered 5A! Nevertheless, I feel Wasson went with the higher % play going for it on fourth down and one. We had run the ball very effectively all night (both Piland and Avers had 100+ yards) and personally felt confident we could get it. When Cade went down we had to replace both the kicker and the holder sinc Lopano is the holder. The first EP attempt with the new pair was blocked. While 28 yards is certainly well within Lopano's range it would have been from the left hash mark. Furthermore, we haven't had great success with last gasp field goals in our previous two nail-biting games.

[dragonsdaddy]

i heard the radio guys say that kw and dp switch roles every week-one on varsity, one with jv. will this continue, or did fate signal dp getting the boost to be next year's starter? sounds like dp was ready for the challenge.

[marcusdrillmom]

Great game on both sides of the ball....
Sorry to see your QB Padron injured, but your back up QB really did a great job stepping in and rallying the team.

For Marcus this was almost as good as a victory, so many great things last night in the game. Way fewer penalties, pass defense much improved, and the passing game getting better. Finally they hung with SLC and kept what many thought would be a blow out to just 7 points!
Kudos to the Mauraders!

Sorry about the parking we are slated for our own stadium sometime in the next few years and I for one can't wait!!!


Oh and the SLC band was very good:)

[SLC13]

Something tells me the 24 hour rule is not going to apply here this week. We have way too much to work on, to wait til Monday.

David, bless his heart, probably needed help from others on the plays and switch offs to lineman, is going to need some Dragon 101 in a hurry. Timing with his receivers will improve with practice and he absolutely needs to stay healthy. Tough kid, this is going to be fun, he played like Goliath!

KW didn't look 100%- KP out for awhile. We need some QB's...

If Cade needs time, I can tell you we just need some time to work in # 9 Trent Miller as a holder and we'll be fine there. Miller is probably a starter at WR next year, good hands..
LET'S GO TO WORK

I agree kicking and holding duties can be handled by others. When he gets well, I'd prefer to see Cade concentrate just on playing MLB and forget about kicking for the rest of this season.

[SLC]

i heard the radio guys say that kw and dp switch roles every week-one on varsity, one with jv. will this continue, or did fate signal dp getting the boost to be next year's starter? sounds like dp was ready for the challenge.

Yes I heard them say something about that to... I think Piland did a great job and will continue to do so.... Both Piland and Williamson have been preparing to be starters for a long time and both are very capable of playing extremely well.. I think David just may have went a long way toward nailing down a starting position next year... But with both being Jr's, there will no doubt be a healthy competition in the spring and summer... I really dont think we would do bad either way...

[SLC13]

Great game on both sides of the ball....
Sorry to see your QB Padron injured, but your back up QB really did a great job stepping in and rallying the team.

For Marcus this was almost as good as a victory, so many great things last night in the game. Way fewer penalties, pass defense much improved, and the passing game getting better. Finally they hung with SLC and kept what many thought would be a blow out to just 7 points!
Kudos to the Mauraders!

Sorry about the parking we are slated for our own stadium sometime in the next few years and I for one can't wait!!!


Oh and the SLC band was very good:)

MDM......Thanks, the Marcus Band was very good as well!! Good luck in the UIL competition today. :)

[caveman]

SLC will ALWAYS be SLC.
I was pulling for you FMM.

[green day]

I do agree he played like a goliath... But I disagree with the rest of this.... David is as prepared as any Dragon QB is... I think he played like he knew full well what he was doing... He has been doing this for awile.. He's an outstanding QB and I expect he will continue to play lights out.. we wont have KP, but I think we are fine at QB... We need to concentrate our efforts in other areas if we are to make a good run the rest of the way and into the playoffs..

Yes, yes, he played like he's been there but he really hadn't. At one point, he was 6-15, and that will improve with more work with the starting 4-5 pass catchers...at some point, he appeared to ask for help on check-offs from his back, maybe he was merely telling Tommy how much fun he was having...

Piland for President!!

[15Adragon]

More random observations-

FMM was physical. I saw some of our WR's and people off the ball just getting nailed, samething with the CB's. FMM brought it hard not just at the point of attack but also away from the ball. #17 just got nailed a few times when the QB ran his way. Wow, those were big hits.

The new CB played an inspired game. I think he earned his spot. He had man deep coverage a few times and was right where he needed to be.

The QB was the game. What he was able to do under that kind of pressure was amazing. On the radio they were talking about the NG who is or has been heavily recruited and how the QB was able to still run for that yardage - amazing again.

The coaches kept the faith and trusted their preparation, system, personnel and when their backs were to the wall they were aggressive and the boys answered with a W. Great story.:D

[dragonpants]

I know you have all been waiting for my take on last nights game but
I was not able to post until now. I did not have permission. Thought the KT's had put me in time out but KT2000 got it fixed, so I thank him for that.

Some of you may not like what I have to say but I call it the way I see it and it may be a little long winded.

For those of you saying we were playing with a JV team, we are talking about 2 players essentially. We sub in and out on the D line alot so should not miss a beat there. The new CB stood up and did a great job. However a certain DB left Free wide open for 3 1/2 quarters. If they had a decent QB we would have gotten beaten badly. I mean badly.

Cade is the pulse of the defense and a great player but if his substitute cannot make a tackle on a run up the middle or between the tackles this team is in deep Kimshee.

Hopkins may simply be the best back in the state. I saw him play as a sophomore last year and he was great then. He is much bigger and faster than last year and next year is going to be even MORE scary. However no way he should get that type of yardage against even a mediocre defense. We did not tackle, again. How does that happen. Good news is that should be easy to correct but should have been done this week after losing to Coppell. Our ftont seven gets great penetration which was suprising last night because their O line was massive and good. Chase Douglas is a stud and looked to be a foot taller than anyone and moved very well. They had Hopkins stopped so many times but did not wrap him up or gave up on the tackle.

Piland is great. I had no worries about him. Have seen him play on Thursdays last year and this year and he knows the offense. Been playing it for quite some time, but to step up like that is incredible. What happens when we win the next 5 games and KP is healthy? Worry about that when the time comes. He threw some that were risky but turned out well. The pass to Rake I thought was going to picked off but was thrown so hard it got through. Another one I thought was going for 6 the other way. He also only looks at one receiver. I do not know if that is something that can be taught. I was a lineman so could not tell you.

Avers played much better than weeks he was healthy but still having problems holding onto the ball. Another crucial fumble. The kid plays with heart and I love to watch him.

The next two weeks are going to be brutal. We gave up 35 points to a team whose offense was very predictable and overall just not very good because of a lack of talent at the skill positions. FM and Hebron are going to give us fits if we do not get this ship righted on defense. They both run the spread so we cannot go to a zone and one good receiver can kill us.

Oh by the way the guy the poster that keeps saying we are rebuilding needs to get with the program needs to understand,this is friggin Carroll and we reload we do not rebuild period. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok Coach Wasson gets a reprieve from THIS WEEK. He was feisty, running up and down the sidelines, the players said he gave a very motivational speech at half time and has proven he can win a close game against a great coach. My only critique was when it was obvious we were in 4 down territory and had been running the ball very well on 3rd and 4th and 2 he throws on both downs and we turn over the ball on downs.

We got a win and Marcus is a much better team than their record indicates. We won a nail biter. I feel horrible for Kyle and do not like to see any of our Dragons hurt but Piland is the real deal and we do not lose any talent in him, he is actually a better runner. Kyle Williamson is a great back ground and I feel terrible for one of them next season because only one can start.

We can fix our basic issues on defense. Wrap up the runner keep your legs going, learned that in pee wee.

The smartest thing Coach Wasson can do is have a week of practice like last week. No let down and FM is going to come in here pumped. The opinion is that we are beatable. That needs to stop. We are much better than we are playing right now and we need to make a statement by soundly beating someone soon.

This team is a blast to watch, even with the loss I have enjoyed these games as much if not more than the past few years where we went in each week knowing we were going to blow people out but from a personal health standpoint these close games are not good for my 43 year old heart. I am aging too much this season.

On a side not it may be time for an intervention with Farmer. Did you read those late night/ early morning posts.............wow.

OK time to schedule the big tailgate for this week. I am going to make a dry run over to Dragon Stadium to see if I remember how to get there.

Ok I am done.

[slc1knight]

A couple of observations -

1 - SLC needs to cut down on turnovers, specifically fumbles. I appreciate the extra effort but rule #1 is to protect the football.

2 - QB's - Piland has proven himself to be the backup. Strong arm and he is quick. Both he and Williamson will be missing from JV games going forward. I would guess the next backup would be Landers but I don't know if he has taken any snaps this year.

3 - Question for the coaches - Why would you have your backup kicker be the holder? I always wondered what would happen if Cade got hurt and guess what - new holder +new kicker = missed extra point. Really, really poor coaching here.

4 - Defense - complete mystery. Can't stop the run this week and couldn't stop the pass last week. Poor performance that needs to improve or SLC will lose another game or two. It seem like we have a good front 7 but the last 2 weeks they can't stop the run and without a blitz, don't put consistent preesure on the QB. Secondary...I never expected much this year, especially with pass coverage but they need to tackle once a back gets throught the line of scrimmage. Lots of work to do.

[drgnbkr]

I know you have all been waiting for my take on last nights game but
I was not able to post until now. I did not have permission. Thought the KT's had put me in time out but KT2000 got it fixed, so I thank him for that.

Some of you may not like what I have to say but I call it the way I see it and it may be a little long winded.

For those of you saying we were playing with a JV team, we are talking about 2 players essentially. We sub in and out on the D line alot so should not miss a beat there. The new CB stood up and did a great job. However a certain DB left Free wide open for 3 1/2 quarters. If they had a decent QB we would have gotten beaten badly. I mean badly.

Cade is the pulse of the defense and a great player but if his substitute cannot make a tackle on a run up the middle or between the tackles this team is in deep Kimshee.

Hopkins may simply be the best back in the state. I saw him play as a sophomore last year and he was great then. He is much bigger and faster than last year and next year is going to be even MORE scary. However no way he should get that type of yardage against even a mediocre defense. We did not tackle, again. How does that happen. Good news is that should be easy to correct but should have been done this week after losing to Coppell.

Piland is great. I had no worries about him. Have seen him play on Thursdays last year and this year and he knows the offense. Been playing it for quite some time, but to step up like that is incredible. What happens when we win the next 5 games and KP is healthy? Worry about that when the time comes.

You are correct on the run defense...something is going on there and I can't figure it out. Hopkins is great, but there is no excuse for the runs he was able to break last night..none. There was no threat of a pass that would beat us, so the defense had one task..stop Hopkins.

[slc1knight]

I know you have all been waiting for my take on last nights game but
I was not able to post until now. I did not have permission. Thought the KT's had put me in time out but KT2000 got it fixed, so I thank him for that.

Some of you may not like what I have to say but I call it the way I see it and it may be a little long winded.

For those of you saying we were playing with a JV team, we are talking about 2 players essentially. We sub in and out on the D line alot so should not miss a beat there. The new CB stood up and did a great job. However a certain DB left Free wide open for 3 1/2 quarters. If they had a decent QB we would have gotten beaten badly. I mean badly.

Cade is the pulse of the defense and a great player but if his substitute cannot make a tackle on a run up the middle or between the tackles this team is in deep Kimshee.

Hopkins may simply be the best back in the state. I saw him play as a sophomore last year and he was great then. He is much bigger and faster than last year and next year is going to be even MORE scary. However no way he should get that type of yardage against even a mediocre defense. We did not tackle, again. How does that happen. Good news is that should be easy to correct but should have been done this week after losing to Coppell.

Piland is great. I had no worries about him. Have seen him play on Thursdays last year and this year and he knows the offense. Been playing it for quite some time, but to step up like that is incredible. What happens when we win the next 5 games and KP is healthy? Worry about that when the time comes.

I agree with all of your coments but as good as Cade is, the defense was nowhere to be found against Coppell either. We gave up 171 yards rushing against Coppell with a 5.2 yard average and often their RB ran through the line untouched. Do we run too many stunts? Is our technique not as good as in the past?

[slcdragonfan]

Look, Hoplins is a grea bckc. He will not get accoloades due to indjury but nomatter the inkjury or not he would have done the same. The guy is a warrior regardless if he wears gren or not. Just known that with a lot of the dreagons excuses are made.

I think with a little sleep you will see that Dragons gave great credit to Hopkins. However, some came on here and said we were saying he was great just to cover up a Defense in trouble. There is no doubt he is a very talented RB, and there are also issues with our D. No excuses. And you continue to paint all of us with the same brush. I guess as long as it is green that is OK.

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

wasson does not even sniff the jock of Erwin and Brazil. Erwin is in year two of a progeram that was discfunct and has rbought them back qucikly to respectability. just wait until he can get htat full class in. Braziul is much the ame. So Wasson won a game tonight , woopdty doo. he still has nothing to show he is there with Erwin and Brazil


Look dude, I said "Wasson was a top 3 district coach LAST Night". I don't drink the green kool aid, but last night Wasson coached his arse off. No disrespect to Brazil and Erwin.

[HSFanatic]

I agree with all of your coments but as good as Cade is, the defense was nowhere to be found against Coppell either. We gave up 171 yards rushing against Coppell with a 5.2 yard average and often their RB ran through the line untouched. Do we run too many stunts? Is our technique not as good as in the past?
I would say yes, the Carroll DC does call too many stunts and blitzes. I think the excessive blitzing cost the Dragons the game at Coppell.

I also think Piland will turn out to be a better QB than Padron. The offense will be able to put up points. If the DC would focus on tackling skills and basic schemes during practices, the season might last longer than many have begun to think after these last two games.

[ScottS]

but yall were wrong too, I mean how many of yall predcited a win by at least 20+ points?


Not me. Go back and look.

[DrEdward]

Not me. Go back and look.

Me neither. :cool:

[SLC13]

Me neither. :cool:

Nor I..... http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=36878&page=3

I just didn't expect that many points by either team. :eek:

[SLC]

Nor I..... http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=36878&page=3

I just didn't expect that many points by either team. :eek:

I did... Dont know what difference it makes... But I sure did... Flat out, did not expect a game that close 2 weeks in a row... Based on all the years I've been watching Carroll football I will proly always pick them for 20+ point wins..:cool:

[DragonDad]

Didn't get to the game, but listened to the whole thing on the radio. A couple of things really stood out based on the play-by-play announcing.

1) Marcus' running back on all the big runs got thru our defensive line untouched. Blown assignments? It seemed he was either swarmed at the line, or untouched... nothing in between.

2) Piland was throwing frozen ropes and running with quick bursts of speed. Was he just playing 'over his head' or is this what we can expect from him? If so, why isn't he starting or at least getting more playing time?

ps. Did number #77 keep his helmet on last night? :)

[CCHS77]

I mean how many of yall predcited a win by at least 20+ points?


Not me! :eek:

[15Adragon]

Didn't get to the game, but listened to the whole thing on the radio. A couple of things really stood out based on the play-by-play announcing.

1) Marcus' running back on all the big runs got thru our defensive line untouched. Blown assignments? It seemed he was either swarmed at the line, or untouched... nothing in between.

2) Piland was throwing frozen ropes and running with quick bursts of speed. Was he just playing 'over his head' or is this what we can expect from him? If so, why isn't he starting or at least getting more playing time?

ps. Did number #77 keep his helmet on last night? :)

Piland played great but he is going to need think about going down after he makes the first down or gets the easy yardage instead of running like a RB all of the time. We need a healthy QB. I'm sure some of the LB's in pursuit are waiting for a good shot at him.

[green day]

Didn't get to the game, but listened to the whole thing on the radio. A couple of things really stood out based on the play-by-play announcing.

1) Marcus' running back on all the big runs got thru our defensive line untouched. Blown assignments? It seemed he was either swarmed at the line, or untouched... nothing in between.

2) Piland was throwing frozen ropes and running with quick bursts of speed. Was he just playing 'over his head' or is this what we can expect from him? If so, why isn't he starting or at least getting more playing time?

ps. Did number #77 keep his helmet on last night? :)

No, as result of not dressing for the game. Don't know his status...

[green day]

I don't believe our tackling is any better or worse than previous years'. Here's what I was told about this subject at SL.

The coaches teach the high tackle, or better said, they do not promote the lower, wrap up style of tackling. The reason I was given- the coaches are concerned about head and neck injuries that potentially could occur, and they would never want that to happen on their watch during their High School career.

Truthfully, I've never seen a tackling drill in practice over the years that wasn't just a wrap up high hug, whistle stopped after contact.

My source seemed pretty connected to the program. Has anyone heard differently on this subject? Again, this is merely what I was told.

[dragonsdaddy]

I don't believe our tackling is any better or worse than previous years'. Here's what I was told about this subject at SL.

The coaches teach the high tackle, or better said, they do not promote the lower, wrap up style of tackling. The reason I was given- the coaches are concerned about head and neck injuries that potentially could occur, and they would never want that to happen on their watch during their High School career.

Truthfully, I've never seen a tackling drill in practice over the years that wasn't just a wrap up high hug, whistle stopped after contact.

My source seemed pretty connected to the program. Has anyone heard differently on this subject? Again, this is merely what I was told.

are we discussing lbs. db. or dl? each of course is different. can't speak for the present coaches, but wrapping up has always been stressed above making the big hit, except in the rare "superstar" player who might not take to the training. these have been pretty obvious to the knowledgeable watcher.

[dragonbuck]

Didn't get to the game, but listened to the whole thing on the radio. A couple of things really stood out based on the play-by-play announcing.

1) Marcus' running back on all the big runs got thru our defensive line untouched. Blown assignments? It seemed he was either swarmed at the line, or untouched... nothing in between.

2) Piland was throwing frozen ropes and running with quick bursts of speed. Was he just playing 'over his head' or is this what we can expect from him? If so, why isn't he starting or at least getting more playing time?

ps. Did number #77 keep his helmet on last night? :)

No question DP stepped in and did well, but his completion rate was no where near KP's for the year. (and I would not expect it to be at this point) Prior to the Marcus game, KP had 19 TD passes in just 5 games and is our leading rusher. He leads among all area QB's on a per game basis. DP will get even better with time, but KP is the leader on this team and has been terrific so far. He refused to leave his team after being injured until he was forced to go to the hospital. After his return, he was doing his best to continue to lead his team from the sidelines. He is a class act and Jones at SMU is thrilled to have him for next year.
I'm sure David will do fine and Kyle Williamson and he will battle it out for the starting job. But to say that he would or should start over KP is ludicrous.

[green day]

No question DP stepped in and did well, but his completion rate was no where near KP's for the year. (and I would not expect it to be at this point) Prior to the Marcus game, KP had 19 TD passes in just 5 games and is our leading rusher. He leads among all area QB's on a per game basis. DP will get even better with time, but KP is the leader on this team and has been terrific so far. He refused to leave his team after being injured until he was forced to go to the hospital. After his return, he was doing his best to continue to lead his team from the sidelines. He is a class act and Jones at SMU is thrilled to have him for next year.
I'm sure David will do fine and Kyle Williamson and he will battle it out for the starting job. But to say that he would or should start over KP is ludicrous.

I would go step further to say that if/when KP returns, he would return as starter, no matter how magnificent his replacements perform.

[toonman]

SLC guts out a win against a pretty good Flower Mound Marcus team. Here are the things I noticed in the game:

1. SLC is racking up some injuries, backups played well though. What does the future hold?
2. Someone needs to teach SLC how to tackle. If I was counting right Marcus had 3 TD runs of over 60 yards. All of which SLC had a chance to stop fairly close to the line of scrimmage.
3. If Marcus has even a Decent QB this game would be different. SLC had to leave so many men in the box that Joel Free (pretty damn good reciever) was left in single coverage all night. If that QB had any kind of arm.......
4. Pretty gutsy call going for it on 4 and 1 with the score tied and time running out. Not as ballsy as say going for it on 4 and 5 or more, but bold move none the less.

Very good game on both sides of the ball. Good job by both teams.


I agree and the Dragons have found themselves a Quarterback!!

[toonman]

The conventional wisdom about SLC was that that their defense had really firmed up and it was the offense that needed to improve. Judging by their last two games it looks like the defense is the weak link. 88 points allowed in the last two games. Something needs to be done about giving up these plays for long yardage. It just kills them. They play fairy solid on D then they thow it all away on a handfull of bad plays. Needing around 7 touchdowns to win a game is not going to get you very far in the playoffs.

Excellent observation, as the Defense was meant to be the strength of this year's team. The Marcus coaching staff did a great job in identifying the weak spot and kept hitting again and again. I am with you - you will not get very far giving up 300 yards rushing and to one player as well.

[toonman]

I know you have all been waiting for my take on last nights game but
I was not able to post until now. I did not have permission. Thought the KT's had put me in time out but KT2000 got it fixed, so I thank him for that.

Some of you may not like what I have to say but I call it the way I see it and it may be a little long winded.

For those of you saying we were playing with a JV team, we are talking about 2 players essentially. We sub in and out on the D line alot so should not miss a beat there. The new CB stood up and did a great job. However a certain DB left Free wide open for 3 1/2 quarters. If they had a decent QB we would have gotten beaten badly. I mean badly.

Cade is the pulse of the defense and a great player but if his substitute cannot make a tackle on a run up the middle or between the tackles this team is in deep Kimshee.

Hopkins may simply be the best back in the state. I saw him play as a sophomore last year and he was great then. He is much bigger and faster than last year and next year is going to be even MORE scary. However no way he should get that type of yardage against even a mediocre defense. We did not tackle, again. How does that happen. Good news is that should be easy to correct but should have been done this week after losing to Coppell. Our ftont seven gets great penetration which was suprising last night because their O line was massive and good. Chase Douglas is a stud and looked to be a foot taller than anyone and moved very well. They had Hopkins stopped so many times but did not wrap him up or gave up on the tackle.

Piland is great. I had no worries about him. Have seen him play on Thursdays last year and this year and he knows the offense. Been playing it for quite some time, but to step up like that is incredible. What happens when we win the next 5 games and KP is healthy? Worry about that when the time comes. He threw some that were risky but turned out well. The pass to Rake I thought was going to picked off but was thrown so hard it got through. Another one I thought was going for 6 the other way. He also only looks at one receiver. I do not know if that is something that can be taught. I was a lineman so could not tell you.

Avers played much better than weeks he was healthy but still having problems holding onto the ball. Another crucial fumble. The kid plays with heart and I love to watch him.

The next two weeks are going to be brutal. We gave up 35 points to a team whose offense was very predictable and overall just not very good because of a lack of talent at the skill positions. FM and Hebron are going to give us fits if we do not get this ship righted on defense. They both run the spread so we cannot go to a zone and one good receiver can kill us.

Oh by the way the guy the poster that keeps saying we are rebuilding needs to get with the program needs to understand,this is friggin Carroll and we reload we do not rebuild period. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok Coach Wasson gets a reprieve from THIS WEEK. He was feisty, running up and down the sidelines, the players said he gave a very motivational speech at half time and has proven he can win a close game against a great coach. My only critique was when it was obvious we were in 4 down territory and had been running the ball very well on 3rd and 4th and 2 he throws on both downs and we turn over the ball on downs.

We got a win and Marcus is a much better team than their record indicates. We won a nail biter. I feel horrible for Kyle and do not like to see any of our Dragons hurt but Piland is the real deal and we do not lose any talent in him, he is actually a better runner. Kyle Williamson is a great back ground and I feel terrible for one of them next season because only one can start.

We can fix our basic issues on defense. Wrap up the runner keep your legs going, learned that in pee wee.

The smartest thing Coach Wasson can do is have a week of practice like last week. No let down and FM is going to come in here pumped. The opinion is that we are beatable. That needs to stop. We are much better than we are playing right now and we need to make a statement by soundly beating someone soon.

This team is a blast to watch, even with the loss I have enjoyed these games as much if not more than the past few years where we went in each week knowing we were going to blow people out but from a personal health standpoint these close games are not good for my 43 year old heart. I am aging too much this season.

On a side not it may be time for an intervention with Farmer. Did you read those late night/ early morning posts.............wow.

OK time to schedule the big tailgate for this week. I am going to make a dry run over to Dragon Stadium to see if I remember how to get there.

Ok I am done.


Another very detailed assessment of the game and I agree with everything you have written. I believe an even sterner test awaits this week against FM and there are a few areas of the Dragon game that needs immediate attention and improvement, if there is to be a second district win.

In the past years the hallmark of Carroll teams is that Carroll never beat themselves and Friday we saw a repeat of unforced errors; missed extra point, fumbles, dropped catches, missed tackles – I know these happen, but their frequency by the Dragons is what is of concern.

The injury bug, it not a function of luck; injuries are a function of fitness and conditioning, which is the responsibility of the coaching staff. Wasson did a much better job last Friday, but I think we hold back on giving out any coaching awards.

This Carroll Team had been progressing well through the Non-District Games; but the improvement flattened out in the Coppell and Marcus games. The win over Marcus; cannot disguise that this game could have quite easily been a loss. I am also sure that significant improvements in all areas of the Dragons play needs to happen, if the Dragons are to beat both Flower Mound and Hebron in what are the 2 toughest district 6 games.

[SLC fan]

I would go step further to say that if/when KP returns, he would return as starter, no matter how magnificent his replacements perform.

That's a strong statement. If Piland outperforms Padron, you would still start a rusty Padron over him three weeks into the playoffs? That wouldn't be the best decision for the team. It would be a shame if Padron is not able to finish his senior season as the starter, but the head coach has to do what's best for the team.

[dragonsdaddy]

Another very detailed assessment of the game and I agree with everything you have written. I believe an even sterner test awaits this week against FM and there are a few areas of the Dragon game that needs immediate attention and improvement, if there is to be a second district win.

In the past years the hallmark of Carroll teams is that Carroll never beat themselves and Friday we saw a repeat of unforced errors; missed extra point, fumbles, dropped catches, missed tackles – I know these happen, but their frequency by the Dragons is what is of concern.

The injury bug, it not a function of luck; injuries are a function of fitness and conditioning, which is the responsibility of the coaching staff. Wasson did a much better job last Friday, but I think we hold back on giving out any coaching awards.

This Carroll Team had been progressing well through the Non-District Games; but the improvement flattened out in the Coppell and Marcus games. The win over Marcus; cannot disguise that this game could have quite easily been a loss. I am also sure that significant improvements in all areas of the Dragons play needs to happen, if the Dragons are to beat both Flower Mound and Hebron in what are the 2 toughest district 6 games.
are you sure about that? i may only be a physician, but i have never seen any conditioning drills that will protect a player from breaking a bone on a helmet or tearing up a knee from a sideways blow. please open your box of wisdom and ellucidate the rest of us.

[green day]

It is my opinion that there are some Dragon fans that do not want Wasson to be successful. I'm not saying Toonman is one of them but trust me, they're out there, second guessing every thing from play decisions to coin flips...

[SLC13]

That's a strong statement. If Piland outperforms Padron, you would still start a rusty Padron over him three weeks into the playoffs? That wouldn't be the best decision for the team. It would be a shame if Padron is not able to finish his senior season as the starter, but the head coach has to do what's best for the team.
You beat me too it........

If this team were to advance to the 4th round of the PO's (very questionable the way the defense is playing), then Piland will have guided them to at least two more victories in the regular season and then three straight PO wins. There is no way that Coach Wasson should sit him down to play a rusty KP.

[dragons08]

are you sure about that? i may only be a physician, but i have never seen any conditioning drills that will protect a player from breaking a bone on a helmet or tearing up a knee from a sideways blow. please open your box of wisdom and ellucidate the rest of us.

Toonman is nu skool, you're ol skool. ;)

[toonman]

are you sure about that? i may only be a physician, but i have never seen any conditioning drills that will protect a player from breaking a bone on a helmet or tearing up a knee from a sideways blow. please open your box of wisdom and ellucidate the rest of us.

Do you not agree that athletes who are fully fit and are in the best of conditioning are less prone to injury than someone else who is not. Please let me know so; I can tell my son that he wasting his time going to the weight room and going out for runs to keep fit and be in condition, if I am wrong with my assumption.

[dragonsdaddy]

Do you not agree that athletes who are fully fit and are in the best of conditioning are less prone to injury than someone else who is not. Please let me know so; I can tell my son that he wasting his time going to the weight room and going out for runs to keep fit and be in condition, if I am wrong with my assumption.

muscle type injuries(sprains/strains) are definitely a function of conditioning, but you said injuries, and i would like to know how you expect being in better shape would have prevented cade or kp from missing multiple games. you were being derogatory towards the slc coaches for something that only you seem to be aware.

[DrEdward]

Do you not agree that athletes who are fully fit and are in the best of conditioning are less prone to injury than someone else who is not. Please let me know so; I can tell my son that he wasting his time going to the weight room and going out for runs to keep fit and be in condition, if I am wrong with my assumption.

Toon, the injuries that have befallen the Dragons in the last two weeks are not the sort that are a function of conditioning or the lack thereof. A concussion (done for the year), a broken hand (four to six weeks), ligament damage (a few weeks at least). Being in better physical shape certainly minimizes the chances of mutiple sorts of injuries, but that conditioning would not have prevented what has occured recently to our Dragons.:(

[BigRing5311]

Toon, the injuries that have befallen the Dragons in the last two weeks are not the sort that are a function of conditioning or the lack thereof. A concussion (done for the year), a broken hand (four to six weeks), ligament damage (a few weeks at least). Being in better physical shape certainly minimizes the chances of mutiple sorts of injuries, but that conditioning would not have prevented what has occured recently to our Dragons.:(

Yeah, Foster is one of our laziest athletes. You know kind of a chubby kid with no physique at all.

[dragonpants]

I don't believe our tackling is any better or worse than previous years'. Here's what I was told about this subject at SL.

The coaches teach the high tackle, or better said, they do not promote the lower, wrap up style of tackling. The reason I was given- the coaches are concerned about head and neck injuries that potentially could occur, and they would never want that to happen on their watch during their High School career.

Truthfully, I've never seen a tackling drill in practice over the years that wasn't just a wrap up high hug, whistle stopped after contact.

My source seemed pretty connected to the program. Has anyone heard differently on this subject? Again, this is merely what I was told.

Then they are teaching incorrectly. The "traditional tackle when done correctly will not result in any more head or neck injuries. It is when you lead with your head that causes problems.

[dragonpants]

It is my opinion that there are some Dragon fans that do not want Wasson to be successful. I'm not saying Toonman is one of them but trust me, they're out there, second guessing every thing from play decisions to coin flips...

Nothing would make me happier than for him to be successful. At this point it is still a question mark.
I do not second guess every decision but some of them have been poor.
He is a full time football coach. Not a part timer who teach classes all day. He has all day to watch film and make adjustments and that IMO is not being done as well as it should. The first few games this year that were close at half time, we would always come out and make great adjustments.
Against Coppell I thought we would come out and blow their doors off as well as against Marcus and again did not happen.
He has the talent on this team.
These kids work or are willing to work harder than any kids in the state.
He has tremendous support.
I would love to go through each week knowing we are not going to be outcoached.
I want to be a huge Coach Wasson fan, I really do.

Ok on to Flower Mound.

[ScopeUp]

Don't know how long you have watched the Dragons, but this is by far the least talented team that has taken the field in the past 6 years. Offensively we are executing and still continue to score points with no deep threat wr and a very limited amount of playmakers. The wr's are young, I feel that the coaches are getting everything out of this young Dragon team and making the most out of a tough situation dealing with all the injuries. I'm on board and want to see Coach succeed and feel he already is doing that week in and week out, it is easy to sit back and play arm-chair quarterback. As long as we keep winning and the young players continue to grow in experience, confidence will continue to grow with this team. Looking forward to another great performance on Friday night, this will be a big test.

[slcdragonfan]

Here's what I heard after the Coppell game: Why is the coach running the ball on 3rd and short, we should be wide open. pass pass pass, that's what Carroll is about.

Here's what I heard at the Marcus game: what the h3ll is coach doing passing the ball, he should be running on 3rd short, 4th short.

Some have gotten so busy into second-guessing and armchair/Monday-morning coaching that they fail to see that what they are saying is whatever didn't work is obviously "wrong" and whatever did work, well, maybe that was just luck. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BLAME THE COACH FOR A LOSS YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

DID WE WIN? WITH BACKUPS ALL OVER THE PLACE? I guess there should be an additional column:

Wins-Losses-Style Points

You know what? It was a gutsy win against Marcus, and some of us are acting like since we didn't win by XX points or because we didn't get style points we are dissatisfied. It is OK to want better, but that is not really what I am hearing. Guess what? This is a much better district (mediocre my a$$), and we aren't going to blow 'em out like we did in 5-5A. Also, we have had offensive players of the year for several years in the past, think that doesn't make a difference? No knock on current players meant or intended.

While it is fine to talk about how to improve, I think maybe some should take a deep breath and give some space here. Lets play out the season and see where we are, then we have two years of effort to review.

Let's see:
We lost to MNW by 8 points;
We lost to Abilene in the last minute of the game, 3rd round, after our offensive player of the year for 2006 was injured, by 1 point;
we lost to Coppell by 4 points, in double overtime.

Of those, I think perhaps the Coppell game is one for us to think about, but I saw a lot of resolve in those kids last Friday. They are in touch with the "tradition". We have some big games coming up, let's see how those turn out before we bring out the ropes.

[green day]

Here's what I heard after the Coppell game: Why is the coach running the ball on 3rd and short, we should be wide open. pass pass pass, that's what Carroll is about.

Here's what I heard at the Marcus game: what the h3ll is coach doing passing the ball, he should be running on 3rd short, 4th short.

Some have gotten so busy into second-guessing and armchair/Monday-morning coaching that they fail to see that what they are saying is whatever didn't work is obviously "wrong" and whatever did work, well, maybe that was just luck. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BLAME THE COACH FOR A LOSS YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

DID WE WIN? WITH BACKUPS ALL OVER THE PLACE? I guess there should be an additional column:

Wins-Losses-Style Points

You know what? It was a gutsy win against Marcus, and some of us are acting like since we didn't win by XX points or because we didn't get style points we are dissatisfied. It is OK to want better, but that is not really what I am hearing. Guess what? This is a much better district (mediocre my a$$), and we aren't going to blow 'em out like we did in 5-5A. Also, we have had offensive players of the year for several years in the past, think that doesn't make a difference? No knock on current players meant or intended.

While it is fine to talk about how to improve, I think maybe some should take a deep breath and give some space here. Lets play out the season and see where we are, then we have two years of effort to review.

Let's see:
We lost to MNW by 8 points;
We lost to Abilene in the last minute of the game, 3rd round, after our offensive player of the year for 2006 was injured, by 1 point;
we lost to Coppell by 4 points, in double overtime.

Of those, I think perhaps the Coppell game is one for us to think about, but I saw a lot of resolve in those kids last Friday. They are in touch with the "tradition". We have some big games coming up, let's see how those turn out before we bring out the ropes.

I enjoyed this so much that I read it twice...Bravo

[SLC]

Jeez... Yall still over here whining about the coach crap... Guys lets move on.....

[dragonbuck]

Nothing would make me happier than for him to be successful. At this point it is still a question mark.
I do not second guess every decision but some of them have been poor.
He is a full time football coach. Not a part timer who teach classes all day. He has all day to watch film and make adjustments and that IMO is not being done as well as it should. The first few games this year that were close at half time, we would always come out and make great adjustments.
Against Coppell I thought we would come out and blow their doors off as well as against Marcus and again did not happen.
He has the talent on this team.
These kids work or are willing to work harder than any kids in the state.
He has tremendous support.
I would love to go through each week knowing we are not going to be outcoached.
I want to be a huge Coach Wasson fan, I really do.

Ok on to Flower Mound.

Not according to Toonman. He says our injuries were due to the poor conditioning of our team which is a direct result of coaching. Pulling a muscle, getting hit while dogging it, or something like that MIGHT be caused by lack of conditioning. But these guys are in great shape. Cade can bench press the entire Oline and gives it all on every down. On kickoffs, he is a head hunter and hustles down the field like he is trying to earn a starting job. padron was following thru on a long pass and hit a lineman's helmet. I guess if he had more muscle in his hand it might not have broken (though hands don't really have muscles in them anyway).

I am with Greenday. Some just haven't liked this hire from day 1 and look to place blame where it may not belong. One other point, this is the youngest Dragon team in memory. How many starting seniors? Is it 9? Normally its is about 18.

[15Adragon]

That's a strong statement. If Piland outperforms Padron, you would still start a rusty Padron over him three weeks into the playoffs? That wouldn't be the best decision for the team. It would be a shame if Padron is not able to finish his senior season as the starter, but the head coach has to do what's best for the team.

A lot of stuff has to happen before this will be an issue. Right now the D needs to get back on track or it won't matter. I agree with Green Day, how would you not return KP to the lineup? Also, we are assuming the new QB will be able to continue his impressive start. I think that would be great if he can, but to expect him to outplay KP for the next several weeks may be expecting too much too soon. Interesting stuff...

[SLC fan]

A lot of stuff has to happen before this will be an issue. Right now the D needs to get back on track or it won't matter. I agree with Green Day, how would you not return KP to the lineup? Also, we are assuming the new QB will be able to continue his impressive start. I think that would be great if he can, but to expect him to outplay KP for the next several weeks may be expecting too much too soon. Interesting stuff...

I was giving a hypothetical scenario. I'm not assuming that Piland will be better or that we'll still be playing when Padron heals. But if he is better and if we are still playing, I don't know how one could justify benching Piland. In fact, even if Piland is slightly worse, I think I would still go with the hot hand over the guy who hasn't played in six weeks. The rust factor can't be disregarded. Even the coaches will have to go through an adjustment period if Piland's running ability results in a more run-oriented offense. Against a good opponent (which is what we would presumably face in the third round), those factors could be the difference between winning and losing.

If Padron is clearly the better player, then obviously he should get his job back, and that may be the more likely scenario. I just don't agree with the idea of giving him the job regardless of how well his replacement has performed. The player who gives the team the best chance to win should play.

[SLC]

A lot of stuff has to happen before this will be an issue. Right now the D needs to get back on track or it won't matter. I agree with Green Day, how would you not return KP to the lineup? Also, we are assuming the new QB will be able to continue his impressive start. I think that would be great if he can, but to expect him to outplay KP for the next several weeks may be expecting too much too soon. Interesting stuff...

We shall see starting this week... With a full week of practice, I believe he will play outstanding... Thats why they call it the proving grounds...;)

[SLC]

I was giving a hypothetical scenario. I'm not assuming that Piland will be better or that we'll still be playing when Padron heals. But if he is better and if we are still playing, I don't know how one could justify benching Piland. In fact, even if Piland is slightly worse, I think I would still go with the hot hand over the guy who hasn't played in six weeks. The rust factor can't be disregarded. Even the coaches will have to go through an adjustment period if Piland's running ability results in a more run-oriented offense. Against a good opponent (which is what we would presumably face in the third round), those factors could be the difference between winning and losing.

If Padron is clearly the better player, then obviously he should get his job back, and that may be the more likely scenario. I just don't agree with the idea of giving him the job regardless of how well his replacement has performed. The player who gives the team the best chance to win should play.

I agree 100%... I know he's a senior and all, but aint no way I replace David if he is performing well...

[dragonpants]

Here's what I heard after the Coppell game: Why is the coach running the ball on 3rd and short, we should be wide open. pass pass pass, that's what Carroll is about.

Here's what I heard at the Marcus game: what the h3ll is coach doing passing the ball, he should be running on 3rd short, 4th short.

Some have gotten so busy into second-guessing and armchair/Monday-morning coaching that they fail to see that what they are saying is whatever didn't work is obviously "wrong" and whatever did work, well, maybe that was just luck. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BLAME THE COACH FOR A LOSS YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

DID WE WIN? WITH BACKUPS ALL OVER THE PLACE? I guess there should be an additional column:

Wins-Losses-Style Points

You know what? It was a gutsy win against Marcus, and some of us are acting like since we didn't win by XX points or because we didn't get style points we are dissatisfied. It is OK to want better, but that is not really what I am hearing. Guess what? This is a much better district (mediocre my a$$), and we aren't going to blow 'em out like we did in 5-5A. Also, we have had offensive players of the year for several years in the past, think that doesn't make a difference? No knock on current players meant or intended.

While it is fine to talk about how to improve, I think maybe some should take a deep breath and give some space here. Lets play out the season and see where we are, then we have two years of effort to review.

Let's see:
We lost to MNW by 8 points;
We lost to Abilene in the last minute of the game, 3rd round, after our offensive player of the year for 2006 was injured, by 1 point;
we lost to Coppell by 4 points, in double overtime.

Of those, I think perhaps the Coppell game is one for us to think about, but I saw a lot of resolve in those kids last Friday. They are in touch with the "tradition". We have some big games coming up, let's see how those turn out before we bring out the ropes.

You are right he is the greatest coach ever, talk to the kids from last season.
I am totally supportive but we lost a game that should have been a relatively easy win and last Friday's game while a win and Marcus is a good team should never have been that close.
This is a big week and FM is very good. I will take a one point win.

[DragonFan0316]

On Friday the Dragons were tough and on Friday tough was good enough.

[green day]

By the way, if I'm right about my statement that there are those out there that quietly wish nothing but failure for Wasson ( again, not talking about those on this board unless you were the joker standing behind me Friday night),

then there are actually Dragon fans at our games that quietly want the Dragons to lose.:mad:

And I bet some of them are the "librarians*" I refer to on home games at DS.



*people who stay as quiet as possible so as to allow the opposing offensive players to concentrate on 3rd down conversion attempts.

[DragonFan0316]

Carroll actually has another pretty good kicker who is very capable of making such a field goal. You saw him covering the kick off duties for Foster. You can probably put (4) back in place if you like.

Our new placekicker was the holder. Breaking in a new holder was/is the concern with the kicking game. The back up kicker is as good if not a little more accurate than the injured first stringer.

[slcdragonfan]

You are right he is the greatest coach ever, talk to the kids from last season.
I am totally supportive but we lost a game that should have been a relatively easy win and last Friday's game while a win and Marcus is a good team should never have been that close.
This is a big week and FM is very good. I will take a one point win.

I am not sure what you are saying here. As I read it, the first statement is sarcastic and the second one is not? Not trying to be difficult, just want to understand what you are saying. Totally supportive of what? These seem to be conflicting statements.:)

As far as talking to the kids from last season: They were TD's kids so to speak, and it is kind of like have a stepfather come in when you have had your dad for 3 years. No matter how good he is, he isn't 'Dad'. How about we ask the kids after the game this past week? Did you listen to the post game show? How about the talk Wasson gave the kids at half-time?

[drgnbkr]

The entire state, at least the ones on this board, must be getting a fine belly laugh at the musings of some of the green people.....A team that is 95-4 in the highest classification in Texas has got a yellow dog full of new coaches. And I don't mean the short yellow dog either....Call me confused....

[dragonpants]

I am not sure what you are saying here. As I read it, the first statement is sarcastic and the second one is not? Not trying to be difficult, just want to understand what you are saying. Totally supportive of what? These seem to be conflicting statements.:)

As far as talking to the kids from last season: They were TD's kids so to speak, and it is kind of like have a stepfather come in when you have had your dad for 3 years. No matter how good he is, he isn't 'Dad'. How about we ask the kids after the game this past week? Did you listen to the post game show? How about the talk Wasson gave the kids at half-time?

Ok I tend to over react. I have discussed last season way too muich and have moved on.
I listened to the post game show and since I do not play on the team I did get the half time speech.
I will choose to stay quiet about the coach.
I do not know why there are so many that think this guy is God's gift to coaching. Sorry that is the way I feel.
I am totally supportive of the staff and I personally do not know of a person that wishes that we lose. I certainly do not.
If that were the case I would not spend each Friday traveling around the metro plex.
Hell I have my plane tickets booked for Houston, did that before the season started and I do not have family or anyone to visit in the horrible pit of a city.
I just refuse to have blind faith in this or any coach until he produces.

[SLCfan2407]

That's a strong statement. If Piland outperforms Padron, you would still start a rusty Padron over him three weeks into the playoffs? That wouldn't be the best decision for the team. It would be a shame if Padron is not able to finish his senior season as the starter, but the head coach has to do what's best for the team.

I would start KP with a bandaged hand on Friday if it was possible but its not so DP will get the nod. As for the remainder of the year, KP's worst game through the air was this kids best. He was 16 of 31 for a couple of nice TD throws I will give him that. But KP is clearly the team leader and captain just like his brother was. I do not even know how you guys can sit on here and say that Piland should continue to be the starter even when KP returns. Piland did great last Friday, but he may not even win the starting job for next season!!! The kid hasn't even won the backup job until his performance on Friday, but who is to sit here and say Kyle Williamson wouldn't have done the same thing barring his health.

Back to KP, he scored on his first possesion with a great drive. I want some of you to notice in the Ft Worth star telegram, KP is almost atop every category with 2 less games now. I tihnk that says it all.

Piland, you did great, the whole community is proud of you!

When KP returns there will be no doubt he will return to his starting duties. I love how the Defense was supposed to be our strong point this season, this Defense is definitely the worst I have seen since entering into 5A but we have still won? Why is that, well our offense continues to put up points and yards over 400 ypg and above 40 ppg.

I can remember when I was out at 7on7 when it looked like KP was playing dodgeball with some of the receivers. Balls would hit them in the chest and fall to the ground. KP would continue to deflect all of the criticism off the receivers and put it on his own shoulders. Sure did make Coach Rogers job a lot easier when your QB does that. (I know this because my son is a receiver and he would drop passes left and right)

The biggest point I can make of this is KP's leadership. Leadership in my opinion is the single most important thing for a team. Last Year's almighty "best team ever" had 0 leadership from any player. Not from the QB, RB, LB,WR, OL, all were looking to their futures. KP came in against Abilene for the injured Dodge and did the exact same thing against a better team and defense in the Abilene Eagles. Our Dragons were down by 1 with 2 minutes left, KP was spotted the ball at the 12 and said go get em. If it weren't for a bone head coaching decision, forgetting we had a timeout, I say forgetting because I will refuse to acknowledge the fact that Wasson is not bright enough to call a timeout in that situation, I will take it to the grave with me... KP would have won a playoff game, maybe a few more, and who knows, we would still be sitting here talking about last years state championship....AHH what could have been!!

Piland good luck through the rest of district, I would be surprised to not see KP week one of the playoffs, from what my son has to offer "He doesn't like Colleyville, I bet he will try to play, at least I hope so."

Take care of district first boys, we are proud of you, and we are behind you! Good Luck!

[slcdragonfan]

No "blind faith" and no "God's gift" from these quarters, I just believe in letting a man have his opportunity and see what he does with it.

We all just want to win. And we are used to winning convincingly. But I think right now we give up the style points (convincingly) part and just take the win. As you said, I'll take 'em by one point right now.

We do need to get some things fixed, there is no point in wearing rose-colored glasses. And I too want to visit Houston with my green on in December. And I think we still have the team to do it if those things are fixed.

I am now getting out of this thread, this was soooooo last week! :)

[Southlake Carroll Dragons]

Our new placekicker was the holder. Breaking in a new holder was/is the concern with the kicking game. The back up kicker is as good if not a little more accurate than the injured first stringer.

Yes the kicker now won 1st place in the nation at a combine last january and the deep snapper is also a kicker who got 3rd at the combine last january. We have got a really talented special teams. The holder will be good just needed some playing time.

[dragonpants]

No "blind faith" and no "God's gift" from these quarters, I just believe in letting a man have his opportunity and see what he does with it.

We all just want to win. And we are used to winning convincingly. But I think right now we give up the style points (convincingly) part and just take the win. As you said, I'll take 'em by one point right now.

We do need to get some things fixed, there is no point in wearing rose-colored glasses. And I too want to visit Houston with my green on in December. And I think we still have the team to do it if those things are fixed.

I am now getting out of this thread, this was soooooo last week! :)

I said I was getting out yesterday but here I am, you guys keeping pulling me back in. :D

[15Adragon]

The entire state, at least the ones on this board, must be getting a fine belly laugh at the musings of some of the green people.....A team that is 95-4 in the highest classification in Texas has got a yellow dog full of new coaches. And I don't mean the short yellow dog either....Call me confused....

bkr, I joined in after the PW game and used the rehash as an example to follow. I think there has been a lot of armchair QB'ing and coaching going on for quite sometime - even before some of us newbie's arrived on the scene.

As for the armchair QB stuff, it can be harmless if it is kept in perspective and not made personal. Those of us that enjoy Texas HS Football understand that there is no event that compares and how incredibly fortunate we are to have a team like the Dragons to support.

Go Dragons. :)

[trojanbacker]

You guys are just such a big target for these types of discussions. It's a compliment to the program and its fans that people even care to comment to this extent. If you were just anyone, rather than a 95 - 4 powerhouse, no one would bother.

[Olddragondawggreen]

Yes I heard them say something about that to... I think Piland did a great job and will continue to do so.... Both Piland and Williamson have been preparing to be starters for a long time and both are very capable of playing extremely well.. I think David just may have went a long way toward nailing down a starting position next year... But with both being Jr's, there will no doubt be a healthy competition in the spring and summer... I really dont think we would do bad either way...

I think Piland went a long way toward nailing down a starting position next year before this game. He's not real big on self promotion off the field, but he's definatly the full package. Only time will tell.

[CCHS77]

I said I was getting out yesterday but here I am, you guys keeping pulling me back in. :D

Just say no.

[farmerfan]

Farmers bipolar ignorant late night ramblings rears its ugly head again.

Too both Marcus and Carroll supporters, sorry for my stupidity and ignorance in taking away a fine performance from all invovled this past Friday night. Its sounds as if both coaches coached their arse off and all players left it all on the field.
Its good to see Erwin slowly getting Marcus back to a somewhat respectible program and the same with Vanderford and FM and as well as Brazil and Hebron.
Just wish Gaddis could get Lewisville there.
Once again, please accept my apologies for my outrage and biploarness and congrats to both programs on what seems to have been one of the best games of the season so far.
Good Luck to Marcus and go beat Coppell. Would be nice to have Coppell sitting home come playoff time ;):D

[drgnbkr]

Farmers bipolar ignorant late night ramblings rears its ugly head again.

Too both Marcus and Carroll supporters, sorry for my stupidity and ignorance in taking away a fine performance from all invovled this past Friday night. Its sounds as if both coaches coached their arse off and all players left it all on the field.
Its good to see Erwin slowly getting Marcus back to a somewhat respectible program and the same with Vanderford and FM and as well as Brazil and Hebron.
Just wish Gaddis could get Lewisville there.
Once again, please accept my apologies for my outrage and biploarness and congrats to both programs on what seems to have been one of the best games of the season so far.
Good Luck to Marcus and go beat Coppell. Would be nice to have Coppell sitting home come playoff time ;):D

Welcome back Mr. Hyde..I see that Dr. Farmer has retreated once again to that dark abyss....:p

[Drgnlady]

Welcome back Mr. Hyde..I see that Dr. Farmer has retreated once again to that dark abyss....:p

...and Mr. Hyde can spell.:)

[dragonsdaddy]

Ok I tend to over react. I have discussed last season way too muich and have moved on.
I listened to the post game show and since I do not play on the team I did get the half time speech.
I will choose to stay quiet about the coach.
I do not know why there are so many that think this guy is God's gift to coaching. Sorry that is the way I feel.
I am totally supportive of the staff and I personally do not know of a person that wishes that we lose. I certainly do not.
If that were the case I would not spend each Friday traveling around the metro plex.
Hell I have my plane tickets booked for Houston, did that before the season started and I do not have family or anyone to visit in the horrible pit of a city.
I just refuse to have blind faith in this or any coach until he produces.you seem to have close to the opposite opinion. coach w's unenviable position is not all his fault. someone(inits are td) obviously thought he was the man to protect the tradition. he has done pretty fair, esp compared to the one coach ledbetter chose as his follow-on. has he been as successful as td. i'll be glad to wait while you name every coach in texas hs history who has. as a slc supporter, the bar is set pretty high, and expectations being what they are, anything less than 16-0 is close to dismal. i am definitely not for lowering the bar, but extenuating circumstances can and will come into play.

i have seen some argue that wasson should be held accountable for injuries. i assume he meant the season ending clavicle fracture to rd, the fractured hand to this year's starting qb, the knee sprain/tear to the starting mlb, and the concussion to another starter. having lived and breathed and treated the kids that won most of the games td coached, i am hear to tell you, the 08 team suffered more unpreventable injuries to starters causing more lost weeks in the last 2 games than the 02 and 03 teams did in 2 full seasons. would td have dealt better with the losses. maybe, but we will never know as he never had them during his tenure.

i am also getting a kick out of how the rest of the state must be enjoying the bellyaching going on here.

[green day]

I can handle the bellyaching on the forum, I choose to read this, but the stuff in the stands last week from some was sickening and unfair to this head coach.

I'm sure they're in the minority but they sure want to be heard. It's just bad Mojo, man...

[DragonFan0316]

We have been privledged to live through some very good times at SLC. As a fan I have no right to expect any more. I am proud of the coaches and the players. It is clear they are giving 100%. As fans we tend to overreact to the rantings of others. We are also critical of those that replace legends. Our current coaches may be very very good and it would still be tough to follow Todd Dodge and the last 6 years.

Go Dragons!:notworthy

[DragonFan0316]

I can handle the bellyaching on the forum, I choose to read this, but the stuff in the stands last week from some was sickening and unfair to this head coach.

I'm sure they're in the minority but they sure want to be heard. It's just bad Mojo, man...

I can tell you that coach is not concerned with what comes from the stands. The kids shouldn't have to hear it though so I hope the vocal minority gets a grip.

[farmerfan]

Welcome back Mr. Hyde..I see that Dr. Farmer has retreated once again to that dark abyss....:p

I didn't even need an interpreter for my postings as I know why I typed what I did. Call it overreaction Saturday or what you will but I just took overreacted to comments that suggested Hopkins runs were due to bad tackling and other than 4 runs he was shut down. Thats football, backs will have games where they break off the long runs and the other runs go for 2,3 and 4 yards. Thats the game plan with running teams, pound out the rock and wear out the defense and then hit the big one. Its easy to sugarcoat things in saying well out of 25 runs we shut him down on 20 of them but thats not the way football works. Its like the run Tre had against Westlake when people were saying it was bad tackling and people did not like that because they felt that Tre was not getting the credit he should have.
It may have come out aggressive and overoffensive but thats where I was trying to go with it, the Budwesier got in the wayof that I guess :eek:;)

[drgnbkr]

I can tell you that coach is not concerned with what comes from the stands. The kids shouldn't have to hear it though so I hope the vocal minority gets a grip.

When you have as many new faces as the Dragons do this year , it is hard for the few seasoned vets to instill in them all of the basic Carroll tenets; kill the will, protect the tradition, etc. As the kids find their identity, I don't think they are going to fade in intensity at all...regarding some of our fans? I'm not so sure..

[SLC]

I can tell you that coach is not concerned with what comes from the stands. The kids shouldn't have to hear it though so I hope the vocal minority gets a grip.


It's very simple.... WERE SPOILED... thats it were spoiled... Now after the Coppell loss I was critical of coach Wasson and I decided to lay off and I believe it was much beter vs Marcus... One thing is for sure, I voice my opinions on here and will continue to do so... But I have never and will never say anything at a game in front of fellow fans, kids and the parents of players... No way no how... That isnt the place for it....

[toonman]

It is my opinion that there are some Dragon fans that do not want Wasson to be successful. I'm not saying Toonman is one of them but trust me, they're out there, second guessing every thing from play decisions to coin flips...

I will hold up my hand and say that I was not and I am still not enamored with Wasson's appointment. It seems to me that Wasson has taken Todd Dodge's Ferrari out of the garage, has never put it in top gear, has not performed any maintenance on the car, has been in 3 wrecks and now the car is need of repairs, which at this time I do not see them being made.

I go on a Friday to see the entire Dragon organization succeed; players and coaches, but so far this season I am more disappointed with what I have seen, than I am satisfied. Great win on Friday, where the Dragon snatched a victory from the jaws of defeat. David Piland's heroics were superb and I am looking forward to seeing some more of the same this Friday. But a win should not disguise the flaws in the Dragon play, which need correcting for the next 2 games and I want to see Wasson succeed and correct these against FM and Hebron.

I feel that Dragon fans should not see everything through green tinted eye wear – it is not treason to state one’s observations.

[drgnbkr]

I will hold up my hand and say that I was not and I am still not enamored with Wasson's appointment. It seems to me that Wasson has taken Todd Dodge's Ferrari out of the garage, has never put it in top gear, has not performed any maintenance on the car, has been in 3 wrecks and now the car is need of repairs, which at this time I do not see them being made.

I go on a Friday to see the entire Dragon organization succeed; players and coaches, but so far this season I am more disappointed with what I have seen, than I am satisfied. Great win on Friday, where the Dragon snatched a victory from the jaws of defeat. David Piland's heroics were superb and I am looking forward to seeing some more of the same this Friday. But a win should not disguise the flaws in the Dragon play, which need correcting for the next 2 games and I want to see Wasson succeed and correct these against FM and Hebron.

I feel that Dragon fans should not see everything through green tinted eye wear – it is not treason to state one’s observations.

With all due respect it ain't Dodge's Ferrari anymore...He is currently driving that clunker at UNT and can't effect the outcome at Carroll games anymore...I loved what TD did for Carroll, but this is Coach Wasson's deal now, and I just don't believe he has done anything but good for the kids, the fans and the Tradition that is Carroll Football. Time will tell if he is good or bad for the program, but that time is not now.

[farmerfan]

Great game on both sides of the ball....
Sorry to see your QB Padron injured, but your back up QB really did a great job stepping in and rallying the team.

For Marcus this was almost as good as a victory, so many great things last night in the game. Way fewer penalties, pass defense much improved, and the passing game getting better. Finally they hung with SLC and kept what many thought would be a blow out to just 7 points!
Kudos to the Mauraders!

Sorry about the parking we are slated for our own stadium sometime in the next few years and I for one can't wait!!!


Oh and the SLC band was very good:)


That's news to me. Where are they going to build this at?
Can't be the school since the current JV field is way too close to Morris Road and there would be no room at all to put any type of bleachers on the East side.

[green day]

I go on a Friday to see the entire Dragon organization succeed; players and coaches, Great win on Friday, where the Dragon snatched a victory from the jaws of defeat. David Piland's heroics were superb and I am looking forward to seeing some more of the same this Friday. I want to see Wasson succeed



I know where your head's at Toonman. You're not the type fan like the one behind me at the game. That dude was lickin' his chops for failure so he could have more license to bich.

I did take it upon me to edit your thoughts above- great post!:D

[slcdragonfan]

We have been privledged to live through some very good times at SLC. As a fan I have no right to expect any more. I am proud of the coaches and the players. It is clear they are giving 100%. As fans we tend to overreact to the rantings of others. We are also critical of those that replace legends. Our current coaches may be very very good and it would still be tough to follow Todd Dodge and the last 6 years.

Go Dragons!:notworthy

I call that the "legend" effect. See Royal and Switzer for examples.

[drgnbkr]

I know where your head's at Toonman. You're not the type fan like the one behind me at the game. That dude was lickin' his chops for failure so he could have more license to bich.

I did take it upon me to edit your thoughts above- great post!:D

Awesomeness!:notworthy

[HebronHawk]

That's news to me. Where are they going to build this at?
Can't be the school since the current JV field is way too close to Morris Road and there would be no room at all to put any type of bleachers on the East side.

That's exactly where they are going to build it. They are also going to use the existing baseball fields.

[farmerfan]

That's exactly where they are going to build it. They are also going to use the existing baseball fields.

What?
Are they going to move the actual JV field to the West some?
They just couldnt possibly add visitor seating on that East side without doing so.
What are they going to do with the current baseball and softball fields then?
Build new ones?
I jus dont see how this could possibly happen?

[HebronHawk]

What?
Are they going to move the actual JV field to the West some?
They just couldnt possibly add visitor seating on that East side without doing so.
What are they going to do with the current baseball and softball fields then?
Build new ones?
I jus dont see how this could possibly happen?

The baseball fields are going to be rebuilt in an off-campus location. After all, football is king and FM Marcus insisted on their own stadium on campus.

[farmerfan]

The baseball fields are going to be rebuilt in an off-campus location. After all, football is king and FM Marcus insisted on their own stadium on campus.

Wow.
Parking and traffic are already an issue over there. Cant imagine what the people over on Waketon and Morris are going to think about this?
I do hope they make this stadium nicer than the ones at FM and Hebron and Goldsmith. Those things are aluminum eye-sores.

[dragons08]

drgnbkr check yo inbox

[drgnbkr]

drgnbkr check yo inbox

Done!

[ScopeUp]

Lest we not forget things were not always rosy for Dodge, Regional Finals 9-5. Second year 10-5 Semi-finals. That was in class 4A in a sub-par district. The next years to come in 5A were legendary, but don't forget the players that came through that era. Dodge was a great coach and still is, however take into consideration the cards that are being dealt under Wasson. A much tougher district, no longer are you lining up playing Northwest and Birdville's of the metroplex, but Coppell/FM/Marcus/Hebron. No cakewalks, every game is a challenge and demands perfection on all sides of the ball. Also, the talent pool is not near as deep with a lot of young players growing. I am a huge believer in Coach Wasson and the staff, they have done nothing but be great mentors to the boys and Coach is great in the community. Anytime you see him out, he is always willing to talk about the Dragons. I can't say the same for Dodge, either way I am behind our Dragons and look forward to great things to come. Remember, Dodge and Wasson were once working as one mind together. We can all find flaws in every system, it takes effort to be negative but wearing a smile and being positive is something that comes natural. Just my two cents, Go Dragons and I support what is going on.

[HebronHawk]

Wow.
Parking and traffic are already an issue over there. Cant imagine what the people over on Waketon and Morris are going to think about this?
I do hope they make this stadium nicer than the ones at FM and Hebron and Goldsmith. Those things are aluminum eye-sores.

Can't be any nicer. Everyone would feel slighted. I heard that discussion among the upper level administrators at LISD.

[marcusdrillmom]

That's news to me. Where are they going to build this at?
Can't be the school since the current JV field is way too close to Morris Road and there would be no room at all to put any type of bleachers on the East side.

It is part of last spring's bond election package. It will be in combination with the 9th grade campus for Marcus. I believe baseball and softball fields will move to that campus and the stadium will run the other direction in that area.

I think it is not due for completion until like 2016 at this point:(:(

[HebronHawk]

It is part of last spring's bond election package. It will be in combination with the 9th grade campus for Marcus. I believe baseball and softball fields will move to that campus and the stadium will run the other direction in that area.

I think it is not due for completion until like 2016 at this point:(:(

Goldsmith Stadium will last at least that long. :D A replacement for that stadium may be up next after Marcus.

[Marcus Fan]

The Stadium on the Marcus campus is a real head scratcher. Demolish the current football field and practice fields, demolish the baseball stadium, demolish the softball field, rebuild baseball and softball at the ninth grade center and put a new stadium on the campus with all the potential space and parking issues. The baseball and softball fields have to be built first at the yet to be started 9th grade center before work can start at Marcus. An offsite stadium would make more sense like in Plano and Carrollton and Southlake . I do think our LISD school board and facility planners missed the boat on this one but I don't think things are going to change..

[toonman]

With all due respect it ain't Dodge's Ferrari anymore...He is currently driving that clunker at UNT and can't effect the outcome at Carroll games anymore...I loved what TD did for Carroll, but this is Coach Wasson's deal now, and I just don't believe he has done anything but good for the kids, the fans and the Tradition that is Carroll Football. Time will tell if he is good or bad for the program, but that time is not now.

I do agree with you, but like so many fans posting here - we have concerns with what is now as compared to what was. I like the clunker comment - could that be chevy chevette?

[DragonFan0316]

I do agree with you, but like so many fans posting here - we have concerns with what is now as compared to what was. I like the clunker comment - could that be chevy chevette?

Chevy Vega with a blown aluminum engine.

[SLC]

Chevy Vega with a blown aluminum engine.


Painted 5 different colors with a mix of primer, some places are severely rusted out, tires are bald, all the glass is shattered, and his 8 track got jacked...

[DragonFan0316]

Painted 5 different colors with a mix of primer, some places are severely rusted out, tires are bald, all the glass is shattered, and his 8 track got jacked...

LMAO !:laugh:laugh:D:D

[slcdragonfan]

Painted 5 different colors with a mix of primer, some places are severely rusted out, tires are bald, all the glass is shattered, and his 8 track got jacked...

...and only one gear....offense.

We are talking UNT here, right?

[drgnbkr]

I do agree with you, but like so many fans posting here - we have concerns with what is now as compared to what was. I like the clunker comment - could that be chevy chevette?

Man, I don't know, but he better tint the windows so the alum's can't recognize him!:p

[DrEdward]

With all due respect it ain't Dodge's Ferrari anymore...He is currently driving that clunker at UNT and can't effect the outcome at Carroll games anymore...I loved what TD did for Carroll, but this is Coach Wasson's deal now, and I just don't believe he has done anything but good for the kids, the fans and the Tradition that is Carroll Football. Time will tell if he is good or bad for the program, but that time is not now.


Not only has Dodge relinquished ownership of the Ferrari. the real issue is that all of the parts have to be completely replaced every four years. You get to change parts as you go, but even when you find a set of parts that works perfectly together, they have to be replaced. And wouldn't you know it, the parts from the factory are simply not perfect replications of each other.

[SLC]

...and only one gear....offense.

We are talking UNT here, right?


Yes... And not only 1 gear, but its stuck in that gear too.....:D

[toonman]

Not only has Dodge relinquished ownership of the Ferrari. the real issue is that all of the parts have to be completely replaced every four years. You get to change parts as you go, but even when you find a set of parts that works perfectly together, they have to be replaced. And wouldn't you know it, the parts from the factory are simply not perfect replications of each other.

touché

[HebronHawk]

The Stadium on the Marcus campus is a real head scratcher. Demolish the current football field and practice fields, demolish the baseball stadium, demolish the softball field, rebuild baseball and softball at the ninth grade center and put a new stadium on the campus with all the potential space and parking issues. The baseball and softball fields have to be built first at the yet to be started 9th grade center before work can start at Marcus. An offsite stadium would make more sense like in Plano and Carrollton and Southlake . I do think our LISD school board and facility planners missed the boat on this one but I don't think things are going to change..

The Marcus people that asked for a stadium also wanted it on campus like all of the other LISD schools.

[SLC]

The Marcus people that asked for a stadium also wanted it on campus like all of the other LISD schools.

And it makes since to... This way the district doesnt need to purchase land for a stadium... It makes it easier to sell to the voters in a bond election...

[DrEdward]

touché

Merci.

[DrEdward]

And it makes since to... This way the district doesnt need to purchase land for a stadium... It makes it easier to sell to the voters in a bond election...

Are LISD voters really going to pass a bond for a new stadium in this economic environment? Same question for Keller voters as long as I'm at it.

[HebronHawk]

Are LISD voters really going to pass a bond for a new stadium in this economic environment? Same question for Keller voters as long as I'm at it.

Dr. Edward, the $780 million bond issue passed earlier in the year. It is a done deal.

[HebronHawk]

And it makes since to... This way the district doesnt need to purchase land for a stadium... It makes it easier to sell to the voters in a bond election...

The district actually has quite a bit of vacant land warehoused. The FM Marcus people want the stadium on campus like the rest of the LISD.

Dragon Stadium would look nice on campus. :D

[DrEdward]

Dr. Edward, the $780 million bond issue passed earlier in the year. It is a done deal.

Thanks. Given the changed circumstances, is LISD really going through with attempting to see the bonds? No need to answer here I guess, this is the topic for a different thread.

[DrEdward]

The district actually has quite a bit of vacant land warehoused. The FM Marcus people want the stadium on campus like the rest of the LISD.

Dragon Stadium would look nice on campus. :D

We thought so as well. But our illustrious school board at the time disagreed. It would have been something of a tight fit, however.

[dragonsdaddy]

The district actually has quite a bit of vacant land warehoused. The FM Marcus people want the stadium on campus like the rest of the LISD.

Dragon Stadium would look nice on campus. :D

except for the 50-100 neighbors, it would be there now, and for quite a few dollars less. the traffic would have been horrendous, however, so maybe it was for the best. and had it been built there, would slc been obligated to playing day games, like the baseball team?

[HebronHawk]

except for the 50-100 neighbors, it would be there now, and for quite a few dollars less. the traffic would have been horrendous, however, so maybe it was for the best. and had it been built there, would slc been obligated to playing day games, like the baseball team?

The gameday traffic would have brought everyone into the heart of Dragon country. It would be good for the merchants.

[SLC]

Are LISD voters really going to pass a bond for a new stadium in this economic environment? Same question for Keller voters as long as I'm at it.


One thing I notice is that bonds arent really affected by a bad economy... The money is borrowed from the state and paid back over a 30 year note so there isnt a huge increase to the tax payer... Being in constuction as I am, 99% of our work is building schools and various other facilities for school districts, we are working constantly when friends of mine who work in construction that primarily does retail or private sector constuction are being laid off due to the current economic issues and others in the past.. Government and State work, such as schools, courts, jails, etc... Never seem to be affected...

[SLC]

We thought so as well. But our illustrious school board at the time disagreed. It would have been something of a tight fit, however.


I'm somewhat glad they didnt... This way it leaves room for expansion to the high school...

[toonman]

Dragon Stadium would look nice on campus. :D

No - that would make 1709 a nightmare getting to and from games.

[farmerfan]

So how much is it going to cost to demolish everything thats currently there?
Removing the water tower can't be cheap as the removal of the baseball and softball fields.
Where will parking be?
They already have limited parking on campus at Marcus.
Would the design be similar to the layouts at FM and Hebron or like Goldsmith and The Colony?
Any chance we could actually get a nice looking stadium in the district?

[HebronHawk]

So how much is it going to cost to demolish everything thats currently there?
Removing the water tower can't be cheap as the removal of the baseball and softball fields.
Where will parking be?
They already have limited parking on campus at Marcus.
Would the design be similar to the layouts at FM and Hebron or like Goldsmith and The Colony?
Any chance we could actually get a nice looking stadium in the district?

The stadium will be similar to Hebrons & Flower Mounds. It can't be any bigger or better. :D

[dragonsdaddy]

The stadium will be similar to Hebrons & Flower Mounds. It can't be any bigger or better. :D

so it is required to be equally ugly, by district-wide agreement? why didn't the district make all stadiums similar to goldsmith? it seems that should have been the "gold" standard.

[ScottS]

I did a google search on Stephen Hopkins and some of his schools include Michigan State and Notre Dame.

[farmerfan]

The stadium will be similar to Hebrons & Flower Mounds. It can't be any bigger or better. :D

Well thats just stupid.
LISD home to the ugliest stadiums in the state of Texas.
Then again as long as you're winning, the last thing you notice as a fan is the stadium. I never for once used to think Goldsmith was ugly during the 80's-90's. Funny what losing can do to ya.

Would the people of Hebron and FM really ***** that much if Marcus was given a nicer stadium than the other schools?

[JagFan]

Well thats just stupid.
LISD home to the ugliest stadiums in the state of Texas.
Then again as long as you're winning, the last thing you notice as a fan is the stadium. I never for once used to think Goldsmith was ugly during the 80's-90's. Funny what losing can do to ya.

Would the people of Hebron and FM really ***** that much if Marcus was given a nicer stadium than the other schools?

Yes! I wouldn't but a lot of people would, I would just ask for a stadium upgrade, like to our concession stands and put A/C in them and the restrooms.

[farmerfan]

Yes! I wouldn't but a lot of people would, I would just ask for a stadium upgrade, like to our concession stands and put A/C in them and the restrooms.

A/C in the restrooms?
How much time is spent in the restrooms?;)

[JagFan]

A/C in the restrooms?
How much time is spent in the restrooms?;)

It is in the same building as the concession stands. They get very hot and the ladies complain.

[HebronHawk]

so it is required to be equally ugly, by district-wide agreement? why didn't the district make all stadiums similar to goldsmith? it seems that should have been the "gold" standard.

They are similar in size but the Hebron/Flower Mound stadiums (built to the same plan) are newer.

[HebronHawk]

Well thats just stupid.
LISD home to the ugliest stadiums in the state of Texas.
Then again as long as you're winning, the last thing you notice as a fan is the stadium. I never for once used to think Goldsmith was ugly during the 80's-90's. Funny what losing can do to ya.

Would the people of Hebron and FM really ***** that much if Marcus was given a nicer stadium than the other schools?

I would like to say "no" but I know human nature. :o

[HebronHawk]

Yes! I wouldn't but a lot of people would, I would just ask for a stadium upgrade, like to our concession stands and put A/C in them and the restrooms.


The Hebron Football concession stand is A/C'd (we paid for it). We are considering adding TV's to bring the game feed in from the press box.

Our band concession stand is still very hot ;) in the early season.

[JagFan]

The Hebron Football concession stand is A/C'd (we paid for it). We are considering adding TV's to bring the game feed in from the press box.

Our band concession stand is still very hot ;) in the early season.

Our band would demand it if we got it. I can't understand why in the state of Texas they put in consession stands without A/C. The boosters looked into it but the way the building is built it was not a good fit.

[DrEdward]

A/C in the restrooms?
How much time is spent in the restrooms?;)

That depends upon the condition of the sushi or the nachos served. :rolleyes::D

[marcusdrillmom]

I did a google search on Stephen Hopkins and some of his schools include Michigan State and Notre Dame.

this is kind of a random post:). Just to add though UT and OU have also been scouting about Stephen.

[marcusdrillmom]

Our band would demand it if we got it. I can't understand why in the state of Texas they put in consession stands without A/C. The boosters looked into it but the way the building is built it was not a good fit.


Having worked concessions on a hot night I don't know why you would build them with air conditioning... It gets so hot!

That must be why LISD does not serve sushi in the concession stands.:D

[slcdragonfan]

Having worked concessions on a hot night I don't know why you would build them with air conditioning... It gets so hot!

That must be why LISD does not serve sushi in the concession stands.:D

The sushi is mighty cold, and mighty tasty. It sold out last time from what I hear, might have been the novelty of it. It is cooked though, not raw, then flash-frozen. And hey, you can always use it at Coppell games instead of a hotdog!:eek:

Hey, just having fun with CoppellCowboy.;)

[HebronHawk]

Our band would demand it if we got it. I can't understand why in the state of Texas they put in consession stands without A/C. The boosters looked into it but the way the building is built it was not a good fit.

Our building is the same as yours.

[HebronHawk]

Having worked concessions on a hot night I don't know why you would build them with air conditioning... It gets so hot!

That must be why LISD does not serve sushi in the concession stands.:D

We are working on sushi for the Dragon game. We are trying to get catfish out of the nearby creek.

[JagFan]

Our building is the same as yours.

Our concessions are not a big. The stadium is the same.

[SLC]

We are working on sushi for the Dragon game. We are trying to get catfish out of the nearby creek.


LMAO....:laugh

[dragonsdaddy]

We are working on sushi for the Dragon game. We are trying to get catfish out of the nearby creek.

they should be jerky by now, as every creek in the area is bone dry.

[HebronHawk]

they should be jerky by now, as every creek in the area is bone dry.

Yeah, you are right. We figure the texture is just right for Dragon sushi. What do you expect from a bunch of Hawks.