265 over SLC was bait! Plus some Katy smack!

[maverick#23]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Why does Calpreps not rank Katy in their National power poll? Carroll is ranked #2, SV is ranked #22 and Madison is ranked #50. It's because their competition is so weak they are not scientifically worth ranking. The competition in the 265 is far superior to what Katy faces out or in district. Just look at the horrible strength of schedule below. Katy is ranked 35th in Texas with this scientific (non subjective) form of ranking. Compare that to Carroll who is ranked #1, SV #8, & Madison #13. I'm not saying Katy could not beat SV or Madison, I just would not bet on them this year. Just like Schertz Clemens (w/ or w/out J. Henry), Katy is seriously overrated and they too have been feasting on the weak. If Katy gets behind early to either SV or Madison they won't be able to catch up because they have no experience in doing so, that is exactly what happened to Clemens in bi-district.

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L State W-L Division W-L Top 1000 W-L Top 7000 W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L

35 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 19 5A 10-0 6-0 (1st) 10-0 10-0 1-0 9-0 40.7 11.9 44-52
WINS: #944 The Woodlands (TX) (30-6), #1355 Humble (TX) (34-20), #3341 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (48-0), #3494 Jersey Village (Houston, TX) (35-7), #4133 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (55-6), #4929 Taylor (Katy, TX) (37-3), #6003 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (30-0), #6056 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (37-6), #6303 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (57-30), #8340 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (45-7), LOSSES: none

Look at that 11.9 rating for strength of schedule! Compare that to Madison's 31.5 rating. That'll happen when you face four teams ranked outside the top 5000 in the Nation. Almost all of Madison's opposition was ranked in the top 1000, many in the top 500. Look again at Opponents' records. Katy's opposition were 44-52 on the season compared to Madison's 66-49.

As for the idiot from Katy that thinks there is not speed in the greater San Antonio area, let me inform you that San Antonio Madison QB, Chris Caflisch is probably the fastest QB in the 5a play-offs. He has been clocked in the 40yd. dash @ 4.42, and is one of the top 400m runners in the nation. I guarantee not one of the Katy Tigers' can run him down in the open field. He also has three offensive teammates that have run forty times under 4.5 seconds. Madison has been known for their team speed for many years and had they not missed an extra point in the '02 R4 final against SV (28-27), Katy would have been blown out by Madison much worse than they were by SV. That '02 Madison team would have been a better match-up against the SLC team that beat SV in the D2 final. Madison's, J. Guttierrez (Oklahoma) and G. Green, Jr (Kansas) were the best backfield duo in Texas High School football history. Also the '02 Madison team was the best three loss team ever! I guess that year's Katy team was the best four loss team because they finished right behind Madison in the power rankings.

2002 Class 5A Final State Rankings CLASS 5A Pre- +
Teams RATING PF PA Pre# Rank or -
1 Southlake Carroll (16-0) 211.68 725 231 54 186.83 24.8
2 SA/NE Madison (11-3) 203.33 542 280 5 203.37 0.0
3 Katy (11-4) 202.30 444 187 50 187.55 14.7
4 Galena Park North Shore (11-1) 200.51 414 162 3 206.37 -5.9
5 SB Smithson Valley (14-2) 200.08 568 233 10 200.51 -0.4
6 Converse Judson (14-1) 199.87 518 295 15 197.93 1.9
7 Humble (11-2) 199.44 477 176 14 199.77 -0.3
8 Lufkin (12-3) 197.64 470 249 57 185.83 11.8
9 Arlington (12-2) 196.80 441 195 20 195.88 0.9
10 Longview (10-4) 196.79 372 207 92 178.28 18.5

For the curious Madison was ranked #1 in the A.P. State poll and #19 in The USA Today National Prep poll when they lost a triple OT game 59-53 to San Antonio Reagan, the next week they allowed Converse Judson to score off two turnovers and a blocked punt in the first half, before dominating the second half, though Judson would hold on and win 39-37. Of course Smithson Valley fans remember the high deep snap that forced a PAT wide left with under three minutes remaining. Then on a third and ten with just over a minute left SV got away with an all too obvious offensive pass interference as a SV receiver shoved down a Madison cornerback to be able to make a catch on a seriously under thrown deep pass. Lucky for SV, because that '02 Madison team holds the obscure record of most touchdowns in a season with less than one minute on the game clock (two in one game alone!). Had they got that call they would have got the ball back and sent SV fans home crying like Judson did to Midland High fans one week later in that very same place (the Alamodome). They lost all three games by a combined nine points.

2002 SV vs Madison all out great play by both teams. First Kickoff of the game Madison scores on a 102 KO return really took the breath out of the SV fans and all of SA remembers the non-called pass interference well at least thats what everyone but the SV fans think well nvm even some SV fans think it was pass interference :D

[mad_fan]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!




It was off the topic BEFORE the middle of page one... :eek:

[maverick#23]

True!

[lonny23]

I'm glad you 2 posted on here because I thought if you combine you guys you have me. You combine the key elements of my personality on the board. All kinds of stats and info including plenty of calpreps references and a bunch of smarting off.

Here's my take on calpreps and it's the same every year. They can't get a good handle on the Houston teams because they only play each other. Some of them end up with crappy ratings because they lose to 4A teams. Calpreps depends on different teams playing each other to get a comparison across the board. There are 9 Houston districts and these are the only out of Gulf Coast games they played:

Cove over K Forest
A&M over Woodlands
Cy Fair over V Memorial
Cy Falls over Bryan
A&M over Ike
Lufkin games

If Tyler Lee had kept Lufkin on their schedule, you might have a better idea how good all the Houston teams were. Personally, I think most of the Houston teams are crap and they get overrated. We really don't know about North Shore and Westfield, either.

The ultimate in what Calpreps can say is that bunch of teams at the bottom of the New York rankings. The have a district that played a bunch of games against each other and nobody else and they all have crappy ratings because of it.

[lonny23]

There's a 90% chance that a thread that Mad and me get into will get off topic! :D

[TigerHat]

Difficult to argue with Katy's schedule. As it turns out Humble is the only opponent to win a playoff game. Could Katy fall this week? Oh yes, Cy-Creek has what is needed to stop Katy; a good defense, and nobody here is paying any attention to them. Everything is primed for the Tigers to take a belly flop at Tully Saturday night. Go watch the Buster Douglas - Mike Tyson fignt and tell me a determined underdog can't win.

[lonny23]

Difficult to argue with Katy's schedule. As it turns out Humble is the only opponent to win a playoff game. Could Katy fall this week? Oh yes, Cy-Creek has what is needed to stop Katy; a good defense, and nobody here is paying any attention to them. Everything is primed for the Tigers to take a belly flop at Tully Saturday night. Go watch the Buster Douglas - Mike Tyson fignt and tell me a determined underdog can't win.
I HIGHLY doubt anybody from R3 will beat Katy. The Tigers need to watch out for a R4 team that's a lot more battle-tested.

[mad_fan]

There's a 90% chance that a thread that Mad and me get into will get off topic! :D


You underestimate us! :D

[ktCarl]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Why does Calpreps not rank Katy in their National power poll? Carroll is ranked #2, SV is ranked #22 and Madison is ranked #50. It's because their competition is so weak they are not scientifically worth ranking. The competition in the 265 is far superior to what Katy faces out or in district. Just look at the horrible strength of schedule below. Katy is ranked 35th in Texas with this scientific (non subjective) form of ranking. Compare that to Carroll who is ranked #1, SV #8, & Madison #13. I'm not saying Katy could not beat SV or Madison, I just would not bet on them this year. Just like Schertz Clemens (w/ or w/out J. Henry), Katy is seriously overrated and they too have been feasting on the weak. If Katy gets behind early to either SV or Madison they won't be able to catch up because they have no experience in doing so, that is exactly what happened to Clemens in bi-district.

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L State W-L Division W-L Top 1000 W-L Top 7000 W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L

35 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 19 5A 10-0 6-0 (1st) 10-0 10-0 1-0 9-0 40.7 11.9 44-52
WINS: #944 The Woodlands (TX) (30-6), #1355 Humble (TX) (34-20), #3341 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (48-0), #3494 Jersey Village (Houston, TX) (35-7), #4133 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (55-6), #4929 Taylor (Katy, TX) (37-3), #6003 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (30-0), #6056 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (37-6), #6303 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (57-30), #8340 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (45-7), LOSSES: none

Look at that 11.9 rating for strength of schedule! Compare that to Madison's 31.5 rating. That'll happen when you face four teams ranked outside the top 5000 in the Nation. Almost all of Madison's opposition was ranked in the top 1000, many in the top 500. Look again at Opponents' records. Katy's opposition were 44-52 on the season compared to Madison's 66-49.

As for the idiot from Katy that thinks there is not speed in the greater San Antonio area, let me inform you that San Antonio Madison QB, Chris Caflisch is probably the fastest QB in the 5a play-offs. He has been clocked in the 40yd. dash @ 4.42, and is one of the top 400m runners in the nation. I guarantee not one of the Katy Tigers' can run him down in the open field. He also has three offensive teammates that have run forty times under 4.5 seconds. Madison has been known for their team speed for many years and had they not missed an extra point in the '02 R4 final against SV (28-27), Katy would have been blown out by Madison much worse than they were by SV. That '02 Madison team would have been a better match-up against the SLC team that beat SV in the D2 final. Madison's, J. Guttierrez (Oklahoma) and G. Green, Jr (Kansas) were the best backfield duo in Texas High School football history. Also the '02 Madison team was the best three loss team ever! I guess that year's Katy team was the best four loss team because they finished right behind Madison in the power rankings.

2002 Class 5A Final State Rankings CLASS 5A Pre- +
Teams RATING PF PA Pre# Rank or -
1 Southlake Carroll (16-0) 211.68 725 231 54 186.83 24.8
2 SA/NE Madison (11-3) 203.33 542 280 5 203.37 0.0
3 Katy (11-4) 202.30 444 187 50 187.55 14.7
4 Galena Park North Shore (11-1) 200.51 414 162 3 206.37 -5.9
5 SB Smithson Valley (14-2) 200.08 568 233 10 200.51 -0.4
6 Converse Judson (14-1) 199.87 518 295 15 197.93 1.9
7 Humble (11-2) 199.44 477 176 14 199.77 -0.3
8 Lufkin (12-3) 197.64 470 249 57 185.83 11.8
9 Arlington (12-2) 196.80 441 195 20 195.88 0.9
10 Longview (10-4) 196.79 372 207 92 178.28 18.5

For the curious Madison was ranked #1 in the A.P. State poll and #19 in The USA Today National Prep poll when they lost a triple OT game 59-53 to San Antonio Reagan, the next week they allowed Converse Judson to score off two turnovers and a blocked punt in the first half, before dominating the second half, though Judson would hold on and win 39-37. Of course Smithson Valley fans remember the high deep snap that forced a PAT wide left with under three minutes remaining. Then on a third and ten with just over a minute left SV got away with an all too obvious offensive pass interference as a SV receiver shoved down a Madison cornerback to be able to make a catch on a seriously under thrown deep pass. Lucky for SV, because that '02 Madison team holds the obscure record of most touchdowns in a season with less than one minute on the game clock (two in one game alone!). Had they got that call they would have got the ball back and sent SV fans home crying like Judson did to Midland High fans one week later in that very same place (the Alamodome). They lost all three games by a combined nine points.

Boy, you throw out lots of numbers and scientific revelations but it all doesn't mean crap come game day.

[lonny23]

Boy, you throw out lots of numbers and scientific revelations but it all doesn't mean crap come game day.
2002 is an odd year for me. I've looked at that before and it still looks weird that the 3rd best SA team is the one who won state!

[KT2000]

I would think people would know better than to underestimate an undefeated Katy team given the program's track record. However, it's never been the Tiger fans' custom to beg for respect because everyone knows that's earned on the field.

Katy's always had to get things done without the hype and fanfare other programs receive, and that's nothing new. Every Tiger team since 1997 has played with the so-called "target" and handled it pretty well.

Here are a few observations I have of this Katy team, and also address some of the items brought up in the original post.

Katy is going for its 5th state championship and eighth state championship game berth this season. The Tigers have won six Region 3 championships in the last eight years.

Sure, the competition hasn't been as strong this year but the team has no control over that. I'm more impressed with this particular Tiger team because of the way they are beating people. The offense is the most balanced there is statistically in either bracket. This is the most balanced run-pass offense to step on the Katy campus.

The defense is very experienced on the line and in the secondary. The linebackers are improving by the week. In fact, the secondary has a chance to be the best in the history of the school as far as yards allowed per game and percentage completion allowed.

QB Andy Dalton is shattering Jared Kaspar's (99-2000) record for career TD passes in a season with each new score he throws this year. Dalton has 29 TD passes through 10 games. The previous record of 22 was set over 16 games. He could pass Kaspar's record for most yards in a season this week. Junior WR Michael Fuda is setting as many receiving records as Dalton is in the passing area. However, the passing game is not limited to only those two. Sure, Katy passing records weren't exactly tough to reach (before this year) but the fact the football program has been around since 1939 and numbers like what is being seen this year have never achieved before should mean a little something.

The running game is paced by two potential game breakers in senior Brandon King and sophomore Aundre Dean. King is extremely quick and has breakaway speed to go with it. Dean is roughly 6'1, 185 pounds and I haven't seen a sophomore at Katy that's as physically gifted as he is. Dean scored his first varsity touchdown during the playoffs last year as a freshman. Throw in the patented Katy playaction game in addition to all of the interchangeable parts the Tigers have at their disposal this year, and it's very tough to handle at full strength.

I grew up in Katy and have been following Tiger football closely for a while now. I've never seen a Tiger team, save for 2000 (16-0), as well equipped to make a run at state as this one. Other successful Katy teams have played weaker schedules and haven't put up near the production, or looked as dominant as this 2005 group has shown.

Last year, Clear Lake served as a reminder of how small the margin for error is this time of year and this Tiger team is extremely determined to finish the job this season. They don't want the feeling they had walking off the field at Rice Stadium again. I think that's been a driving factor for the team all year long.

Of course, the main focus right now is on Cypress Creek. When you have the kind of playoff experience Katy does you know better than to look ahead. You don't accumulate 47 playoff wins (3rd all-time in 5A behind Judson, Permian) by overlooking people. There is no such thing as a trap game in the playoffs. If you aren't ready to play this time of year, you deserve to lose.

Katy came out and played a very motivated football game against a Clements team they could have easily coasted by. Obstacle #11 is up this week and that's all anyone here is focused on right now from what I can tell.

[Fleeman93]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Why does Calpreps not rank Katy in their National power poll? Carroll is ranked #2, SV is ranked #22 and Madison is ranked #50. It's because their competition is so weak they are not scientifically worth ranking. The competition in the 265 is far superior to what Katy faces out or in district. Just look at the horrible strength of schedule below. Katy is ranked 35th in Texas with this scientific (non subjective) form of ranking. Compare that to Carroll who is ranked #1, SV #8, & Madison #13. I'm not saying Katy could not beat SV or Madison, I just would not bet on them this year. Just like Schertz Clemens (w/ or w/out J. Henry), Katy is seriously overrated and they too have been feasting on the weak. If Katy gets behind early to either SV or Madison they won't be able to catch up because they have no experience in doing so, that is exactly what happened to Clemens in bi-district.

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L State W-L Division W-L Top 1000 W-L Top 7000 W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L

35 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 19 5A 10-0 6-0 (1st) 10-0 10-0 1-0 9-0 40.7 11.9 44-52
WINS: #944 The Woodlands (TX) (30-6), #1355 Humble (TX) (34-20), #3341 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (48-0), #3494 Jersey Village (Houston, TX) (35-7), #4133 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (55-6), #4929 Taylor (Katy, TX) (37-3), #6003 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (30-0), #6056 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (37-6), #6303 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (57-30), #8340 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (45-7), LOSSES: none

Look at that 11.9 rating for strength of schedule! Compare that to Madison's 31.5 rating. That'll happen when you face four teams ranked outside the top 5000 in the Nation. Almost all of Madison's opposition was ranked in the top 1000, many in the top 500. Look again at Opponents' records. Katy's opposition were 44-52 on the season compared to Madison's 66-49.

As for the idiot from Katy that thinks there is not speed in the greater San Antonio area, let me inform you that San Antonio Madison QB, Chris Caflisch is probably the fastest QB in the 5a play-offs. He has been clocked in the 40yd. dash @ 4.42, and is one of the top 400m runners in the nation. I guarantee not one of the Katy Tigers' can run him down in the open field. He also has three offensive teammates that have run forty times under 4.5 seconds. Madison has been known for their team speed for many years and had they not missed an extra point in the '02 R4 final against SV (28-27), Katy would have been blown out by Madison much worse than they were by SV. That '02 Madison team would have been a better match-up against the SLC team that beat SV in the D2 final. Madison's, J. Guttierrez (Oklahoma) and G. Green, Jr (Kansas) were the best backfield duo in Texas High School football history. Also the '02 Madison team was the best three loss team ever! I guess that year's Katy team was the best four loss team because they finished right behind Madison in the power rankings.

2002 Class 5A Final State Rankings CLASS 5A Pre- +
Teams RATING PF PA Pre# Rank or -
1 Southlake Carroll (16-0) 211.68 725 231 54 186.83 24.8
2 SA/NE Madison (11-3) 203.33 542 280 5 203.37 0.0
3 Katy (11-4) 202.30 444 187 50 187.55 14.7
4 Galena Park North Shore (11-1) 200.51 414 162 3 206.37 -5.9
5 SB Smithson Valley (14-2) 200.08 568 233 10 200.51 -0.4
6 Converse Judson (14-1) 199.87 518 295 15 197.93 1.9
7 Humble (11-2) 199.44 477 176 14 199.77 -0.3
8 Lufkin (12-3) 197.64 470 249 57 185.83 11.8
9 Arlington (12-2) 196.80 441 195 20 195.88 0.9
10 Longview (10-4) 196.79 372 207 92 178.28 18.5

For the curious Madison was ranked #1 in the A.P. State poll and #19 in The USA Today National Prep poll when they lost a triple OT game 59-53 to San Antonio Reagan, the next week they allowed Converse Judson to score off two turnovers and a blocked punt in the first half, before dominating the second half, though Judson would hold on and win 39-37. Of course Smithson Valley fans remember the high deep snap that forced a PAT wide left with under three minutes remaining. Then on a third and ten with just over a minute left SV got away with an all too obvious offensive pass interference as a SV receiver shoved down a Madison cornerback to be able to make a catch on a seriously under thrown deep pass. Lucky for SV, because that '02 Madison team holds the obscure record of most touchdowns in a season with less than one minute on the game clock (two in one game alone!). Had they got that call they would have got the ball back and sent SV fans home crying like Judson did to Midland High fans one week later in that very same place (the Alamodome). They lost all three games by a combined nine points.

Thanks for all of the good information. Katy has to play who they have scheduled. Some years the district is up and some years it is down. This year 19-5A is down, but you can't fault Katy for that. Katy's out of district schedule, The Woodlands, Jersey Village, and Humble looked pretty good on paper before the season started, but as it turns out Humble is the only team out of the group that has won a playoff game. One does have to remember that all of the records that are being broken for a storied Katy program have been accomplished with the starters only playing a little over one half of football in most games. I just can't buy into to the whole speed card that most teams play. For one this is Katy's fastest team in the program's history and we all know they have won championships with less speed. I agree that Katy is not as battle tested as some of the SA teams, but I promise you that Katy is ready for the battles to come.

[BigWhiteJake]

I'm with KT2000 on this one...it will take a helluva team to beat Katy, and I just don't see a team that good on this half of the bracket...can't really argue the schedule factor, but we beat everyone except The Woodlands and KatyTaylor in less than one half...since they have the weak schedule all you can ask for is outright dominance and that has pretty much surfaced...

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Maverik 23,

Do you need some attention. Are you trying to draw the focus to your great program. Katy doesn't need to talk smack. It's Tuesday, and there hasn't been 1 Katy thread started by Katy people that brags about the Katy program. People that need attention tend to talk smack.

[JC73]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Why does Calpreps not rank Katy in their National power poll? Carroll is ranked #2, SV is ranked #22 and Madison is ranked #50. It's because their competition is so weak they are not scientifically worth ranking. The competition in the 265 is far superior to what Katy faces out or in district. Just look at the horrible strength of schedule below. Katy is ranked 35th in Texas with this scientific (non subjective) form of ranking. Compare that to Carroll who is ranked #1, SV #8, & Madison #13. I'm not saying Katy could not beat SV or Madison, I just would not bet on them this year. Just like Schertz Clemens (w/ or w/out J. Henry), Katy is seriously overrated and they too have been feasting on the weak. If Katy gets behind early to either SV or Madison they won't be able to catch up because they have no experience in doing so, that is exactly what happened to Clemens in bi-district.

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L State W-L Division W-L Top 1000 W-L Top 7000 W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L

35 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 19 5A 10-0 6-0 (1st) 10-0 10-0 1-0 9-0 40.7 11.9 44-52
WINS: #944 The Woodlands (TX) (30-6), #1355 Humble (TX) (34-20), #3341 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (48-0), #3494 Jersey Village (Houston, TX) (35-7), #4133 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (55-6), #4929 Taylor (Katy, TX) (37-3), #6003 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (30-0), #6056 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (37-6), #6303 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (57-30), #8340 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (45-7), LOSSES: none

Look at that 11.9 rating for strength of schedule! Compare that to Madison's 31.5 rating. That'll happen when you face four teams ranked outside the top 5000 in the Nation. Almost all of Madison's opposition was ranked in the top 1000, many in the top 500. Look again at Opponents' records. Katy's opposition were 44-52 on the season compared to Madison's 66-49.

As for the idiot from Katy that thinks there is not speed in the greater San Antonio area, let me inform you that San Antonio Madison QB, Chris Caflisch is probably the fastest QB in the 5a play-offs. He has been clocked in the 40yd. dash @ 4.42, and is one of the top 400m runners in the nation. I guarantee not one of the Katy Tigers' can run him down in the open field. He also has three offensive teammates that have run forty times under 4.5 seconds. Madison has been known for their team speed for many years and had they not missed an extra point in the '02 R4 final against SV (28-27), Katy would have been blown out by Madison much worse than they were by SV. That '02 Madison team would have been a better match-up against the SLC team that beat SV in the D2 final. Madison's, J. Guttierrez (Oklahoma) and G. Green, Jr (Kansas) were the best backfield duo in Texas High School football history. Also the '02 Madison team was the best three loss team ever! I guess that year's Katy team was the best four loss team because they finished right behind Madison in the power rankings.

2002 Class 5A Final State Rankings CLASS 5A Pre- +
Teams RATING PF PA Pre# Rank or -
1 Southlake Carroll (16-0) 211.68 725 231 54 186.83 24.8
2 SA/NE Madison (11-3) 203.33 542 280 5 203.37 0.0
3 Katy (11-4) 202.30 444 187 50 187.55 14.7
4 Galena Park North Shore (11-1) 200.51 414 162 3 206.37 -5.9
5 SB Smithson Valley (14-2) 200.08 568 233 10 200.51 -0.4
6 Converse Judson (14-1) 199.87 518 295 15 197.93 1.9
7 Humble (11-2) 199.44 477 176 14 199.77 -0.3
8 Lufkin (12-3) 197.64 470 249 57 185.83 11.8
9 Arlington (12-2) 196.80 441 195 20 195.88 0.9
10 Longview (10-4) 196.79 372 207 92 178.28 18.5

For the curious Madison was ranked #1 in the A.P. State poll and #19 in The USA Today National Prep poll when they lost a triple OT game 59-53 to San Antonio Reagan, the next week they allowed Converse Judson to score off two turnovers and a blocked punt in the first half, before dominating the second half, though Judson would hold on and win 39-37. Of course Smithson Valley fans remember the high deep snap that forced a PAT wide left with under three minutes remaining. Then on a third and ten with just over a minute left SV got away with an all too obvious offensive pass interference as a SV receiver shoved down a Madison cornerback to be able to make a catch on a seriously under thrown deep pass. Lucky for SV, because that '02 Madison team holds the obscure record of most touchdowns in a season with less than one minute on the game clock (two in one game alone!). Had they got that call they would have got the ball back and sent SV fans home crying like Judson did to Midland High fans one week later in that very same place (the Alamodome). They lost all three games by a combined nine points.

I love how some Madison fans keep crying about the 2002 game with SV. wow

[AZTiger]

kt2000

we should just let you speak for all katy fans, because you always put what i'm thinking into better words

[SLCDad]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Why does Calpreps not rank Katy in their National power poll? . . . .
National computer power rankings have HUGE flaws. Since there are virtually zero common opponents between high schools from different states (and even within states) the computers consistently spew flawed results.

In 2004 Calpreps completely missed Independence Charlotte in their national ranking yet six other national polls ranked them 2nd in the nation.

[AZTiger]

but it makes his blessed mavericks look good, so that's why he uses them

[sendero]

Of course Smithson Valley fans remember the high deep snap that forced a PAT wide left with under three minutes remaining. Then on a third and ten with just over a minute left SV got away with an all too obvious offensive pass interference as a SV receiver shoved down a Madison cornerback to be able to make a catch on a seriously under thrown deep pass. Lucky for SV, because that '02 Madison team holds the obscure record of most touchdowns in a season with less than one minute on the game clock (two in one game alone!). Had they got that call they would have got the ball back and sent SV fans home crying like Judson did to Midland High fans one week later in that very same place (the Alamodome). They lost all three games by a combined nine points.

The way I remember it Madison barely ran Gary Green at all in the 2nd half. Whose fault is that? The way I really remember it was 28-27 SV and forget all the other bs..... Do they give a "most TD's in a season with less than one minute on the game clock"? If so you can have that one :D

[mad_fan]

I love how some Madison fans keep crying about the 2002 game with SV. wow


Glad you used the correct qualifier! :)

[Reaganrattler07]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Catfish or Caflisch? :p

[mad_fan]

The way I remember it Madison barely ran Gary Green at all in the 2nd half. Whose fault is that? The way I really remember it was 28-27 SV and forget all the other bs..... Do they give a "most TD's in a season with less than one minute on the game clock"? If so you can have that one :D

Lonny23's! I'm sure they heard him *****in' even back then. :p :D

[lonny23]

Lonny23's! I'm sure they heard him *****in' even back then. :p :D
I was upset before the game was even over. I was on the Madison side for that game. I talked about that game online in 2003, 2004, and 2005 and will until Madison beats SV in the playoffs.

[lonny23]

Catfish or Caflisch? :p
I thought about saying something, but left it alone to do other stuff. I'm glad you picked up where I left off.

[Reaganrattler07]

I thought about saying something, but left it alone to do other stuff. I'm glad you picked up where I left off.

Are you still mad at me? :confused:

[lonny23]

Are you still mad at me? :confused:
No, at least not until you beat Judson in basketball. It was over with you last week when you explained why you've been upset lately. You can pick what teams you like and don't like, but some of your choices seem odd.

[mad_fan]

I was upset before the game was even over. I was on the Madison side for that game. I talked about that game online in 2003, 2004, and 2005 and will until Madison beats SV in the playoffs.
I was referring to Mr Green's yardage...that's probably way they didn't have him run much...

[lonny23]

I was referring to Mr Green's yardage...that's probably way they didn't have him run much...
I didn't read it like that. 2003 is when they needed to listen to me! :p

[Reaganrattler07]

No, at least not until you beat Judson in basketball. It was over with you last week when you explained why you've been upset lately. You can pick what teams you like and don't like, but some of your choices seem odd.

Looks like we got another two months until you don't like me again :D

Besides, I think Judson's gonna win this week anyways.

[mad_fan]

I didn't read it like that. 2003 is when they needed to listen to me! :p

Sorry, I'm try to work and be humorous....I can't even do it when I'm not working! :eek:

[lonny23]

Sorry, I'm try to work and be humorous....I can't even do it when I'm not working! :eek:
Hey, I picked up what you were saying when you explained it 2 posts ago. You have good odds because I've understood every other remark the first time since you've been here!

[FreshmanTiger]

As some of the Katy players have said in the past. They like it when the team they are playing says who is Katy and why are they hear?

These boys just do their job. :)

[fbjones]

Lonny. I think those CalPREP boys smoke dope for breakfast.
Katy is better than anything coming out of San Antonio this year . As a matter of fact it won't be long and all your kids will be playing soccer.
AND you know what Westfield did to your team last year. You were there, weren't you? Guess what? Westfield had at least 13 senior starters this year.
Ask Vincent Young if Houston teams are CRAP. He would knock you into next week. Texas comes to scout here just like in mighty SAN ANTONIO. Don't let some fruit and nut, pot smokin wusses from Caly lie to you. That's what most stats are is lies.

[sendero]

Texas comes to scout here just like in mighty SAN ANTONIO.

Actually I don't think a whole lot of D1 schools do scout the San Antonio area much. They get more bang for the buck by flying to Houston renting a car and hit many D1 prospects in a very short drive.

[ftballin11]

Maverick, you mention the QB is running a 4.4... and say nobody on Katy could stop him, looks like you did some research on Katy's schedule, now how about you do research on the players. Will Thompson is running a 4.4 also and I think quite a few people on this message board would agree with me not to overlook him. When has Katy ever been the fastest team in the playoffs, or had the most D1 prospects? The secondary of Katy has proven that size doesn't matter, and speed can be tamed. The whole defence of Katy has proven they aren't to be underestimated, but then again it happens nearly every week, so everyone is intitled to their own opinion.

[lonny23]

Lonny. I think those CalPREP boys smoke dope for breakfast.
Katy is better than anything coming out of San Antonio this year . As a matter of fact it won't be long and all your kids will be playing soccer.
AND you know what Westfield did to your team last year. You were there, weren't you? Guess what? Westfield had at least 13 senior starters this year.
Ask Vincent Young if Houston teams are CRAP. He would knock you into next week. Texas comes to scout here just like in mighty SAN ANTONIO. Don't let some fruit and nut, pot smokin ******* from Caly lie to you. That's what most stats are is lies.
Houston almost always has more talent. What they don't always have is better coaching. Obviously, Katy has had great coaching over the years. I had to miss the Westfield-Judson game, but I did go to the T Lee-Westfield game the next week.

I'm not here to make any great claims, but I do want to say I think Region 3 is making a HUGE mistake dismissing Region 4 like you cats have been doing. Many Houston teams made the same mistake before. I thought I had an unbeatable team last year and we see how that turned out. The SA teams that are left are all better than you think they are.

[fbjones]

Northshore coaches are as good as you want. Everything about that program is 1st class. Westfield has a very good coach. Pearland's coaches are strong and so is Houston Lamar's. San Antonio traditionally is in a weak region. You guys get a cake walk to regionals every year. I would put the coaching in the Houston area against anybody in the state or country for that matter. You are talking about past maybe, but not now. LaMarque in 4a is always well coached. Hell lonny this year LaMarque could beat most of the 5a schools in San Antonio, including Judson. You need to get over here more and look around. Things change. Old persceptions go away. If I had to pick the strongest region year in and year out it would be region 2. Go walk around the piney woods. Those guys can play football.

[raidercheerdad]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Why does Calpreps not rank Katy in their National power poll? Carroll is ranked #2, SV is ranked #22 and Madison is ranked #50. It's because their competition is so weak they are not scientifically worth ranking. The competition in the 265 is far superior to what Katy faces out or in district. Just look at the horrible strength of schedule below. Katy is ranked 35th in Texas with this scientific (non subjective) form of ranking. Compare that to Carroll who is ranked #1, SV #8, & Madison #13. I'm not saying Katy could not beat SV or Madison, I just would not bet on them this year. Just like Schertz Clemens (w/ or w/out J. Henry), Katy is seriously overrated and they too have been feasting on the weak. If Katy gets behind early to either SV or Madison they won't be able to catch up because they have no experience in doing so, that is exactly what happened to Clemens in bi-district.

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L State W-L Division W-L Top 1000 W-L Top 7000 W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L

35 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 19 5A 10-0 6-0 (1st) 10-0 10-0 1-0 9-0 40.7 11.9 44-52
WINS: #944 The Woodlands (TX) (30-6), #1355 Humble (TX) (34-20), #3341 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (48-0), #3494 Jersey Village (Houston, TX) (35-7), #4133 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (55-6), #4929 Taylor (Katy, TX) (37-3), #6003 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (30-0), #6056 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (37-6), #6303 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (57-30), #8340 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (45-7), LOSSES: none

Look at that 11.9 rating for strength of schedule! Compare that to Madison's 31.5 rating. That'll happen when you face four teams ranked outside the top 5000 in the Nation. Almost all of Madison's opposition was ranked in the top 1000, many in the top 500. Look again at Opponents' records. Katy's opposition were 44-52 on the season compared to Madison's 66-49.

As for the idiot from Katy that thinks there is not speed in the greater San Antonio area, let me inform you that San Antonio Madison QB, Chris Caflisch is probably the fastest QB in the 5a play-offs. He has been clocked in the 40yd. dash @ 4.42, and is one of the top 400m runners in the nation. I guarantee not one of the Katy Tigers' can run him down in the open field. He also has three offensive teammates that have run forty times under 4.5 seconds. Madison has been known for their team speed for many years and had they not missed an extra point in the '02 R4 final against SV (28-27), Katy would have been blown out by Madison much worse than they were by SV. That '02 Madison team would have been a better match-up against the SLC team that beat SV in the D2 final. Madison's, J. Guttierrez (Oklahoma) and G. Green, Jr (Kansas) were the best backfield duo in Texas High School football history. Also the '02 Madison team was the best three loss team ever! I guess that year's Katy team was the best four loss team because they finished right behind Madison in the power rankings.

2002 Class 5A Final State Rankings CLASS 5A Pre- +
Teams RATING PF PA Pre# Rank or -
1 Southlake Carroll (16-0) 211.68 725 231 54 186.83 24.8
2 SA/NE Madison (11-3) 203.33 542 280 5 203.37 0.0
3 Katy (11-4) 202.30 444 187 50 187.55 14.7
4 Galena Park North Shore (11-1) 200.51 414 162 3 206.37 -5.9
5 SB Smithson Valley (14-2) 200.08 568 233 10 200.51 -0.4
6 Converse Judson (14-1) 199.87 518 295 15 197.93 1.9
7 Humble (11-2) 199.44 477 176 14 199.77 -0.3
8 Lufkin (12-3) 197.64 470 249 57 185.83 11.8
9 Arlington (12-2) 196.80 441 195 20 195.88 0.9
10 Longview (10-4) 196.79 372 207 92 178.28 18.5

For the curious Madison was ranked #1 in the A.P. State poll and #19 in The USA Today National Prep poll when they lost a triple OT game 59-53 to San Antonio Reagan, the next week they allowed Converse Judson to score off two turnovers and a blocked punt in the first half, before dominating the second half, though Judson would hold on and win 39-37. Of course Smithson Valley fans remember the high deep snap that forced a PAT wide left with under three minutes remaining. Then on a third and ten with just over a minute left SV got away with an all too obvious offensive pass interference as a SV receiver shoved down a Madison cornerback to be able to make a catch on a seriously under thrown deep pass. Lucky for SV, because that '02 Madison team holds the obscure record of most touchdowns in a season with less than one minute on the game clock (two in one game alone!). Had they got that call they would have got the ball back and sent SV fans home crying like Judson did to Midland High fans one week later in that very same place (the Alamodome). They lost all three games by a combined nine points.

I got all the way to "catfish" and looked down. I saw '02 info and told myself, "self, that's a lot of reading to get a lot of information that is just a lot of information about a team that probably doesn't make it past the second or third round" and so I quit reading.

[svhorns]

I love how some Madison fans keep crying about the 2002 game with SV. wow
My thoughts exactly get over it already, and this maverick23 ur just throwing useless stats out there my friend, Cal-prep rankings are clueless. Show me some real stats =, rushing yds, pass yds, interceptions, heights, weights, i could care less about rankings that dont even seem like the person(s) from this state!

[svhorns]

This Maverick23 is making me want to beat the hell out of Madison. Thats the difference between well i cant say that because its not everyone from madison but just have an intelligent conversation not, SV or Madison will roll, Katy is overrated,Cal-preps said so, maverick23 i hope ur not wanting to be a coach when you grow up because its not gonna happen.

[Drake]

In comparing Mavericks post to KT2000's... Biggest difference I saw was that Maverick had about 5 excuses for Madisons failure and the Katy Tigers had 5 championships...

Only thing Madison has going for them is FLEEMAN IS BACK, and he's picking KATY!

Welcome back FLEA!

[clemensbuff]

This Maverick23 is making me want to beat the hell out of Madison. Thats the difference between well i cant say that because its not everyone from madison but just have an intelligent conversation not, SV or Madison will roll, Katy is overrated,Cal-preps said so, maverick23 i hope ur not wanting to be a coach when you grow up because its not gonna happen.

Exactly! SV or Madison might beat Katy, but I don't think anyone will roll them!

[AZTiger]

In comparing Mavericks post to KT2000's... Biggest difference I saw was that Maverick had about 5 excuses for Madisons failure and the Katy Tigers had 5 championships...


that is awesome, in fact, that's my new sig now

[lonny23]

that is awesome, in fact, that's my new sig now
Katy only has 4 titles. KT said they were going for #5.

[lonny23]

Katy only has 4 titles. KT said they were going for #5.
We all know it's not their year, anyway:

1994
1997
2000
2003
2006 ?

[KT2000]

Well now, 94 wasn't a title and the Tigers got to the state game in both 98 (I count it of course) and 99 as well. Work with me here, Lonny. ;)

[Fleeman93]

In comparing Mavericks post to KT2000's... Biggest difference I saw was that Maverick had about 5 excuses for Madisons failure and the Katy Tigers had 5 championships...

Only thing Madison has going for them is FLEEMAN IS BACK, and he's picking KATY!

Welcome back FLEA!

I was wrong about Marshall beating the jesuits but so was probably 95% of the people that picked the game. I still don't think the jesuits have anything better than an average team.

[maverick#23]

This Maverick23 is making me want to beat the hell out of Madison. Thats the difference between well i cant say that because its not everyone from madison but just have an intelligent conversation not, SV or Madison will roll, Katy is overrated,Cal-preps said so, maverick23 i hope ur not wanting to be a coach when you grow up because its not gonna happen.

Are you kidding me! I just laid a big steaming pile of crap with the whole calpreps thing. You guys just coundn't resist jumping in and rolling around!Even though their (Katy's) schedule is weak in '05 they deserve to be ranked in the top five in Texas and top 25 in the Nation. I have tremendous respect for Katy's program, however I think their competition will be their downfall when the going gets tough. By the way, SV and Madison just might not make it to see Regionals. I guess I could say the same about SLC, afterall this is the playoffs and it's one and your done! As for wanting to be a coach when I grow up, let me tell you that I am a former highschool and division 1-AA college football player who could have done that but found my true passion in another field.

[KT2000]

Any team still standing in the state semi-finals fully deserves to be there and SOS is rendered a non-factor at that point. Any team that advances that far has to have passed a few tests along the way.

[SmilinTiger]

Well now, 94 wasn't a title and the Tigers got to the state game in both 98 (I count it of course) and 99 as well. Work with me here, Lonny. ;)

He should work with ya since the Judson faithful still count that freebie from Carter as one of theirs.

[mad_fan]

Hey, I picked up what you were saying when you explained it 2 posts ago. You have good odds because I've understood every other remark the first time since you've been here!


But, we did get a couple of extra posts, explaining the known.

[maverick#23]

He should work with ya since the Judson faithful still count that freebie from Carter as one of theirs.

I bet Permian fans still think they should have gotten to play Judson for that title. Unless of course they only remember the movie "FNL", which has them losing to Carter in the finals not the semi-final. Did they officially remove that Semi-final loss from their record in '88?

[KatyTigers]

Strength of schedule didn't hurt North Shore in 2003. It won't hurt Westfield or North Shore this year.

Strength of schedule is way over-rated in high school. A team can only play the hand it was dealt and dominate the teams in that hand. I think Katy has done that this year.

[mad_fan]

We all know it's not their year, anyway:

1994
1997
2000
2003
2006 ?


:rolleyes: Easy killer, that's my job! :D

[fbjones]

Are you kidding me! I just laid a big steaming pile of crap with the whole calpreps thing. You guys just coundn't resist jumping in and rolling around!Even though their (Katy's) schedule is weak in '05 they deserve to be ranked in the top five in Texas and top 25 in the Nation. I have tremendous respect for Katy's program, however I think their competition will be their downfall when the going gets tough. By the way, SV and Madison just might not make it to see Regionals. I guess I could say the same about SLC, afterall this is the playoffs and it's one and your done! As for wanting to be a coach when I grow up, let me tell you that I am a former highschool and division 1-AA college football player who could have done that but found my true passion in another field.

Yeah Just like it was their downfall the four times they WON STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS. By the way Reg 4 just might get HAMMERED in the semis.

[PonyExpress81]

I'm glad you 2 posted on here because I thought if you combine you guys you have me. You combine the key elements of my personality on the board. All kinds of stats and info including plenty of calpreps references and a bunch of smarting off.

Here's my take on calpreps and it's the same every year. They can't get a good handle on the Houston teams because they only play each other. Some of them end up with crappy ratings because they lose to 4A teams. Calpreps depends on different teams playing each other to get a comparison across the board. There are 9 Houston districts and these are the only out of Gulf Coast games they played:

Cove over K Forest
A&M over Woodlands
Cy Fair over V Memorial
Cy Falls over Bryan
A&M over Ike
Lufkin games

If Tyler Lee had kept Lufkin on their schedule, you might have a better idea how good all the Houston teams were. Personally, I think most of the Houston teams are crap and they get overrated. We really don't know about North Shore and Westfield, either.

The ultimate in what Calpreps can say is that bunch of teams at the bottom of the New York rankings. The have a district that played a bunch of games against each other and nobody else and they all have crappy ratings because of it.
In spite of the schedule Katy is loaded this year - you gotta to see to believe, they will still be playing long after any San Antonio area team.

[clemensbuff]

In spite of the schedule Katy is loaded this year - you gotta to see to believe, they will still be playing long after any San Antonio area team.

They can't play too much longer after any SA team since the next game would be the title game! LOL :)

[TIGER07]

This thread was only started to try and get the Katy people to start talking. I guess Katy being quiet on here is really buggin ya, isn't it?

Drive for 5 in 2005

[BigWhiteJake]

I still dont see how SOS is a knock unless you havent been beating teams like you should...not only that we took a tie into halftime with Woodlands, who we at least thought was good then, and a 6-3 lead over taylor. basically in both games we dominated the other team...ill question katy's linebackers first and foremost, ill even question the talent level on the whole, but theres no way im going to doubt a katy teams toughness or "ready to play" - ness

[SmilinTiger]

I would think people would know better than to underestimate an undefeated Katy team given the program's track record. However, it's never been the Tiger fans' custom to beg for respect because everyone knows that's earned on the field.

Katy's always had to get things done without the hype and fanfare other programs receive, and that's nothing new. Every Tiger team since 1997 has played with the so-called "target" and handled it pretty well.

Here are a few observations I have of this Katy team, and also address some of the items brought up in the original post.

Katy is going for its 5th state championship and eighth state championship game berth this season. The Tigers have won six Region 3 championships in the last eight years.

Sure, the competition hasn't been as strong this year but the team has no control over that. I'm more impressed with this particular Tiger team because of the way they are beating people. The offense is the most balanced there is statistically in either bracket. This is the most balanced run-pass offense to step on the Katy campus.

The defense is very experienced on the line and in the secondary. The linebackers are improving by the week. In fact, the secondary has a chance to be the best in the history of the school as far as yards allowed per game and percentage completion allowed.

QB Andy Dalton is shattering Jared Kaspar's (99-2000) record for career TD passes in a season with each new score he throws this year. Dalton has 29 TD passes through 10 games. The previous record of 22 was set over 16 games. He could pass Kaspar's record for most yards in a season this week. Junior WR Michael Fuda is setting as many receiving records as Dalton is in the passing area. However, the passing game is not limited to only those two. Sure, Katy passing records weren't exactly tough to reach (before this year) but the fact the football program has been around since 1939 and numbers like what is being seen this year have never achieved before should mean a little something.

The running game is paced by two potential game breakers in senior Brandon King and sophomore Aundre Dean. King is extremely quick and has breakaway speed to go with it. Dean is roughly 6'1, 185 pounds and I haven't seen a sophomore at Katy that's as physically gifted as he is. Dean scored his first varsity touchdown during the playoffs last year as a freshman. Throw in the patented Katy playaction game in addition to all of the interchangeable parts the Tigers have at their disposal this year, and it's very tough to handle at full strength.

I grew up in Katy and have been following Tiger football closely for a while now. I've never seen a Tiger team, save for 2000 (16-0), as well equipped to make a run at state as this one. Other successful Katy teams have played weaker schedules and haven't put up near the production, or looked as dominant as this 2005 group has shown.

Last year, Clear Lake served as a reminder of how small the margin for error is this time of year and this Tiger team is extremely determined to finish the job this season. They don't want the feeling they had walking off the field at Rice Stadium again. I think that's been a driving factor for the team all year long.

Of course, the main focus right now is on Cypress Creek. When you have the kind of playoff experience Katy does you know better than to look ahead. You don't accumulate 47 playoff wins (3rd all-time in 5A behind Judson, Permian) by overlooking people. There is no such thing as a trap game in the playoffs. If you aren't ready to play this time of year, you deserve to lose.

Katy came out and played a very motivated football game against a Clements team they could have easily coasted by. Obstacle #11 is up this week and that's all anyone here is focused on right now from what I can tell.

Well, so much for flying under the radar.

Well said, KT.

[SmilinTiger]

Houston almost always has more talent. What they don't always have is better coaching. Obviously, Katy has had great coaching over the years. I had to miss the Westfield-Judson game, but I did go to the T Lee-Westfield game the next week.

I'm not here to make any great claims, but I do want to say I think Region 3 is making a HUGE mistake dismissing Region 4 like you cats have been doing. Many Houston teams made the same mistake before. I thought I had an unbeatable team last year and we see how that turned out. The SA teams that are left are all better than you think they are.

Are there poppy fields in those hills up there, Lonny.

When was the last time you saw a real football game?

[ktCarl]

I was wrong about Marshall beating the jesuits but so was probably 95% of the people that picked the game. I still don't think the jesuits have anything better than an average team.

They are an average team playing with heart and well coached also.

[gldneagles]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Why does Calpreps not rank Katy in their National power poll? Carroll is ranked #2, SV is ranked #22 and Madison is ranked #50. It's because their competition is so weak they are not scientifically worth ranking. The competition in the 265 is far superior to what Katy faces out or in district. Just look at the horrible strength of schedule below. Katy is ranked 35th in Texas with this scientific (non subjective) form of ranking. Compare that to Carroll who is ranked #1, SV #8, & Madison #13. I'm not saying Katy could not beat SV or Madison, I just would not bet on them this year. Just like Schertz Clemens (w/ or w/out J. Henry), Katy is seriously overrated and they too have been feasting on the weak. If Katy gets behind early to either SV or Madison they won't be able to catch up because they have no experience in doing so, that is exactly what happened to Clemens in bi-district.

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L State W-L Division W-L Top 1000 W-L Top 7000 W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L

35 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 19 5A 10-0 6-0 (1st) 10-0 10-0 1-0 9-0 40.7 11.9 44-52
WINS: #944 The Woodlands (TX) (30-6), #1355 Humble (TX) (34-20), #3341 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (48-0), #3494 Jersey Village (Houston, TX) (35-7), #4133 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (55-6), #4929 Taylor (Katy, TX) (37-3), #6003 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (30-0), #6056 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (37-6), #6303 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (57-30), #8340 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (45-7), LOSSES: none

Look at that 11.9 rating for strength of schedule! Compare that to Madison's 31.5 rating. That'll happen when you face four teams ranked outside the top 5000 in the Nation. Almost all of Madison's opposition was ranked in the top 1000, many in the top 500. Look again at Opponents' records. Katy's opposition were 44-52 on the season compared to Madison's 66-49.

As for the idiot from Katy that thinks there is not speed in the greater San Antonio area, let me inform you that San Antonio Madison QB, Chris Caflisch is probably the fastest QB in the 5a play-offs. He has been clocked in the 40yd. dash @ 4.42, and is one of the top 400m runners in the nation. I guarantee not one of the Katy Tigers' can run him down in the open field. He also has three offensive teammates that have run forty times under 4.5 seconds. Madison has been known for their team speed for many years and had they not missed an extra point in the '02 R4 final against SV (28-27), Katy would have been blown out by Madison much worse than they were by SV. That '02 Madison team would have been a better match-up against the SLC team that beat SV in the D2 final. Madison's, J. Guttierrez (Oklahoma) and G. Green, Jr (Kansas) were the best backfield duo in Texas High School football history. Also the '02 Madison team was the best three loss team ever! I guess that year's Katy team was the best four loss team because they finished right behind Madison in the power rankings.

2002 Class 5A Final State Rankings CLASS 5A Pre- +
Teams RATING PF PA Pre# Rank or -
1 Southlake Carroll (16-0) 211.68 725 231 54 186.83 24.8
2 SA/NE Madison (11-3) 203.33 542 280 5 203.37 0.0
3 Katy (11-4) 202.30 444 187 50 187.55 14.7
4 Galena Park North Shore (11-1) 200.51 414 162 3 206.37 -5.9
5 SB Smithson Valley (14-2) 200.08 568 233 10 200.51 -0.4
6 Converse Judson (14-1) 199.87 518 295 15 197.93 1.9
7 Humble (11-2) 199.44 477 176 14 199.77 -0.3
8 Lufkin (12-3) 197.64 470 249 57 185.83 11.8
9 Arlington (12-2) 196.80 441 195 20 195.88 0.9
10 Longview (10-4) 196.79 372 207 92 178.28 18.5

For the curious Madison was ranked #1 in the A.P. State poll and #19 in The USA Today National Prep poll when they lost a triple OT game 59-53 to San Antonio Reagan, the next week they allowed Converse Judson to score off two turnovers and a blocked punt in the first half, before dominating the second half, though Judson would hold on and win 39-37. Of course Smithson Valley fans remember the high deep snap that forced a PAT wide left with under three minutes remaining. Then on a third and ten with just over a minute left SV got away with an all too obvious offensive pass interference as a SV receiver shoved down a Madison cornerback to be able to make a catch on a seriously under thrown deep pass. Lucky for SV, because that '02 Madison team holds the obscure record of most touchdowns in a season with less than one minute on the game clock (two in one game alone!). Had they got that call they would have got the ball back and sent SV fans home crying like Judson did to Midland High fans one week later in that very same place (the Alamodome). They lost all three games by a combined nine points.
does anyone else think this is really loonie23 with another of his screen names trying to get even more attention?

[bullrock]

Have I been gone that long? If Madison is playing KT this week then that means the DIV. I state game is being played too. Who is playing in it?

[lonny23]

Well now, 94 wasn't a title and the Tigers got to the state game in both 98 (I count it of course) and 99 as well. Work with me here, Lonny. ;)
Crap, I forgot about you losing in 94 and winning that other title in 59. I still say no title in 05, but 06 is your year! :D

[lonny23]

Any team still standing in the state semi-finals fully deserves to be there and SOS is rendered a non-factor at that point. Any team that advances that far has to have passed a few tests along the way.
I really started saying that a lot last year. You can't take any team lightly in the semis.

[lonny23]

He should work with ya since the Judson faithful still count that freebie from Carter as one of theirs.
It's in the trophy case and that's good enough for me! :D

[lonny23]

Are there poppy fields in those hills up there, Lonny.

When was the last time you saw a real football game?
I give you credit for knowing they have quite a few mountains in Kyrgyzstan. The opium is down in Afghanistan! :D

The last football game I attended was the U.S. Army High School All-American game in January. My grand plan for games this year was shot.

[lonny23]

does anyone else think this is really loonie23 with another of his screen names trying to get even more attention?
It's not me typing it. It sure looks like my kind of post though! :D

[ktCarl]

Crap, I forgot about you losing in 94 and winning that other title in 59. I still say no title in 05, but 06 is your year! :D

'06 is a reload year for Katy.

[mad_fan]

does anyone else think this is really loonie23 with another of his screen names trying to get even more attention?


No friggin way! He's not THAT big a Maverick fan. Yet!

[SVite]

I'm with KT2000 on this one...it will take a helluva team to beat Katy, and I just don't see a team that good on this half of the bracket...can't really argue the schedule factor, but we beat everyone except The Woodlands and KatyTaylor in less than one half...since they have the weak schedule all you can ask for is outright dominance and that has pretty much surfaced...


Thats the same kind of talk Clemens had.Remember them?Undeafeated #8 in the state,that got blown away by SA Madison last friday!They had a very similar schedule to Katy.Lets dont forget SV beat that same Madison team 3 weeks ago to clinch a tie in 26 5A.SV won 31-21,it was 31 -14 with 2:30 to go.There is at least 2 teams on your side of the bracket that can take you out.SV and Madison were playing Playoff intensity football a month ago,hanging on in 26 5A.

[SVite]

And a whole bunch of you catfish ate the bait!

Why does Calpreps not rank Katy in their National power poll? Carroll is ranked #2, SV is ranked #22 and Madison is ranked #50. It's because their competition is so weak they are not scientifically worth ranking. The competition in the 265 is far superior to what Katy faces out or in district. Just look at the horrible strength of schedule below. Katy is ranked 35th in Texas with this scientific (non subjective) form of ranking. Compare that to Carroll who is ranked #1, SV #8, & Madison #13. I'm not saying Katy could not beat SV or Madison, I just would not bet on them this year. Just like Schertz Clemens (w/ or w/out J. Henry), Katy is seriously overrated and they too have been feasting on the weak. If Katy gets behind early to either SV or Madison they won't be able to catch up because they have no experience in doing so, that is exactly what happened to Clemens in bi-district.

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L State W-L Division W-L Top 1000 W-L Top 7000 W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L

35 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 19 5A 10-0 6-0 (1st) 10-0 10-0 1-0 9-0 40.7 11.9 44-52
WINS: #944 The Woodlands (TX) (30-6), #1355 Humble (TX) (34-20), #3341 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (48-0), #3494 Jersey Village (Houston, TX) (35-7), #4133 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (55-6), #4929 Taylor (Katy, TX) (37-3), #6003 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (30-0), #6056 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (37-6), #6303 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (57-30), #8340 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (45-7), LOSSES: none

Look at that 11.9 rating for strength of schedule! Compare that to Madison's 31.5 rating. That'll happen when you face four teams ranked outside the top 5000 in the Nation. Almost all of Madison's opposition was ranked in the top 1000, many in the top 500. Look again at Opponents' records. Katy's opposition were 44-52 on the season compared to Madison's 66-49.

As for the idiot from Katy that thinks there is not speed in the greater San Antonio area, let me inform you that San Antonio Madison QB, Chris Caflisch is probably the fastest QB in the 5a play-offs. He has been clocked in the 40yd. dash @ 4.42, and is one of the top 400m runners in the nation. I guarantee not one of the Katy Tigers' can run him down in the open field. He also has three offensive teammates that have run forty times under 4.5 seconds. Madison has been known for their team speed for many years and had they not missed an extra point in the '02 R4 final against SV (28-27), Katy would have been blown out by Madison much worse than they were by SV. That '02 Madison team would have been a better match-up against the SLC team that beat SV in the D2 final. Madison's, J. Guttierrez (Oklahoma) and G. Green, Jr (Kansas) were the best backfield duo in Texas High School football history. Also the '02 Madison team was the best three loss team ever! I guess that year's Katy team was the best four loss team because they finished right behind Madison in the power rankings.

2002 Class 5A Final State Rankings CLASS 5A Pre- +
Teams RATING PF PA Pre# Rank or -
1 Southlake Carroll (16-0) 211.68 725 231 54 186.83 24.8
2 SA/NE Madison (11-3) 203.33 542 280 5 203.37 0.0
3 Katy (11-4) 202.30 444 187 50 187.55 14.7
4 Galena Park North Shore (11-1) 200.51 414 162 3 206.37 -5.9
5 SB Smithson Valley (14-2) 200.08 568 233 10 200.51 -0.4
6 Converse Judson (14-1) 199.87 518 295 15 197.93 1.9
7 Humble (11-2) 199.44 477 176 14 199.77 -0.3
8 Lufkin (12-3) 197.64 470 249 57 185.83 11.8
9 Arlington (12-2) 196.80 441 195 20 195.88 0.9
10 Longview (10-4) 196.79 372 207 92 178.28 18.5

For the curious Madison was ranked #1 in the A.P. State poll and #19 in The USA Today National Prep poll when they lost a triple OT game 59-53 to San Antonio Reagan, the next week they allowed Converse Judson to score off two turnovers and a blocked punt in the first half, before dominating the second half, though Judson would hold on and win 39-37. Of course Smithson Valley fans remember the high deep snap that forced a PAT wide left with under three minutes remaining. Then on a third and ten with just over a minute left SV got away with an all too obvious offensive pass interference as a SV receiver shoved down a Madison cornerback to be able to make a catch on a seriously under thrown deep pass. Lucky for SV, because that '02 Madison team holds the obscure record of most touchdowns in a season with less than one minute on the game clock (two in one game alone!). Had they got that call they would have got the ball back and sent SV fans home crying like Judson did to Midland High fans one week later in that very same place (the Alamodome). They lost all three games by a combined nine points.


Score more points!SV played 3 teams in 2002 that were #1 in the state,or had been.Westlake,Madison,Southlake Carroll.We went 2-1 against them in the playoffs that year.We were worthy Madison!Not to mention beating Katy also! :eek: LOL...Like i said if you were so much better than SV,one extra point should`nt have made a difference.I was at every one of those games.SLC would have beat you guys also.Judson was just lucky that they got Div. 1,seems to be the way it is now.Div.1 is div.2`s little sister.

[TXfbfan]

Score more points!SV played 3 teams in 2002 that were #1 in the state,or had been.Westlake,Madison,Southlake Carroll.We went 2-1 against them in the playoffs that year.We were worthy Madison!Not to mention beating Katy also! :eek: LOL...Like i said if you were so much better than SV,one extra point should`nt have made a difference.I was at every one of those games.SLC would have beat you guys also.Judson was just lucky that they got Div. 1,seems to be the way it is now.Div.1 is div.2`s little sister.

Hate to break it too ya but 02 Katy was not very good and yall barely squeaked away. If we play this year it will be over in the first half.

[dragonsdaddy]

Hate to break it too ya but 02 Katy was not very good and yall barely squeaked away. If we play this year it will be over in the first half.
are you sure about that? they were certainly well thought of by every one else across the state.

[clemensbuff]

Thats the same kind of talk Clemens had.Remember them?Undeafeated #8 in the state,that got blown away by SA Madison last friday!They had a very similar schedule to Katy.Lets dont forget SV beat that same Madison team 3 weeks ago to clinch a tie in 26 5A.SV won 31-21,it was 31 -14 with 2:30 to go.There is at least 2 teams on your side of the bracket that can take you out.SV and Madison were playing Playoff intensity football a month ago,hanging on in 26 5A.

Always have to rub a little dirt in the wound, don't you SVite! It must have something to do with the fact that SV has only been able to beat the Buffs 1 time in their history! With you, that wound just won't heal up, will it? Madison took a few plays of the SV book last Friday. They capatalized on TOs and had a big play on special teams. They deserved to win that game because the came to play and got it done. Too bad that SV didn't get to do the job so you could post all kinds of trash talking here! Another thing, if SV and Madison do meet for the region title, I hope they whip SV's A$$ just because of you! I'll promise you this, if they play like they did last Friday, and SV has 5 TOs you will see SV lose just as big as SC did! If I remember right SV didn't exactly walk all over them three weeks ago! So, keep talking all you want, we'll see what happens and how everything plays out!

[TXfbfan]

are you sure about that? they were certainly well thought of by every one else across the state.

97-05, 02 was katys 2 weakest team and the only one to not win district.

[AZTiger]

2001 was katy's weakest team

[SVite]

Hate to break it too ya but 02 Katy was not very good and yall barely squeaked away. If we play this year it will be over in the first half.


Yeah...play some one first,before you start pounding your chest!

[nate]

Yeah...play some one first,before you start pounding your chest!

Last time I checked, Katy had played and won 10 games so far this season.

[kttigersrock]

2001 was katy's weakest team

AZ: might want to put an asterisk on that comment with something like '* in the last 15 years'. Success sometimes erases memories of the lean times (which many on the board may be too young to remember)....

Also, keep in mind the 2001 team was pretty darn good in it's own right, and lost to Madison (Vincent Young and Courtney Lewis) in area that year in a game that was closer than the final indicated.

[nate]

Katy's 2002 team was pretty good, but nothing compared to the 2003 squad or what they have going this year. Smithson Valley played a great game, caught Katy napping for a few big plays and held on at the end. I was honestly stunned with both the playcalling in the final minutes of the game and with the outcome. Needless to say, I know Katy would like to see SV in a semi-final matchup for an opportunity to set things straight.

[SVite]

Always have to rub a little dirt in the wound, don't you SVite! It must have something to do with the fact that SV has only been able to beat the Buffs 1 time in their history! With you, that wound just won't heal up, will it? Madison took a few plays of the SV book last Friday. They capatalized on TOs and had a big play on special teams. They deserved to win that game because the came to play and got it done. Too bad that SV didn't get to do the job so you could post all kinds of trash talking here! Another thing, if SV and Madison do meet for the region title, I hope they whip SV's A$$ just because of you! I'll promise you this, if they play like they did last Friday, and SV has 5 TOs you will see SV lose just as big as SC did! If I remember right SV didn't exactly walk all over them three weeks ago! So, keep talking all you want, we'll see what happens and how everything plays out!


THE only reason i even brought the name of Clemens up,was what i talked about.Clemens was not war tested,just like Katy period,that is my point.We heard the same smack,how great because of the undefeated record and that great defense.it was`nt so,and it wont be to the team i`m really talking about,and thats Katy,not Clemens!

And by the way,we did walk on em.i was there,all you did was here about it!

[AZTiger]

no matter what, SV's 2002 squad was damn salty, and deserved that game

[kttigersrock]

I was honestly stunned with both the playcalling in the final minutes of the game and with the outcome..

Amen

Needless to say, I know Katy would like to see SV in a semi-final matchup for an opportunity to set things straight.

If that is how it plays out, it will be a great matchup!

[SVite]

Last time I checked, Katy had played and won 10 games so far this season.

Over what team that has done anything?This year,they have beat up on weak teams,again another team,that thinks there the measuring stick of success when they havent played a contender all year!Bottom line,your untested.If you want,we`ll get Lonny to do some stats...LOL :D

[rellufnalla]

AZ: might want to put an asterisk on that comment with something like '* in the last 15 years'. Success sometimes erases memories of the lean times (which many on the board may be too young to remember)....

Also, keep in mind the 2001 team was pretty darn good in it's own right, and lost to Madison (Vincent Young and Courtney Lewis) in area that year in a game that was closer than the final indicated.


I thought Katy had a chance to win that game against Madison. I thought Johnston should have picked the pace of play up faster. Mr. Young was the only threat and keeping him exhausted might have worked. The rest of the team had nothing - it was all Mr. Young. Katy kept slowing the pace down and it cost them because they gave Young time to recover.

[nate]

Over what team that has done anything?This year,they have beat up on weak teams,again another team,that thinks there the measuring stick of success when they havent played a contender all year!Bottom line,your untested.

Katy is a measuring stick for everyone else regardless of their schedule. Thats what happens when you win multiple championships - you become the biggest game on your opponents' schedule, all year long.

Its more than a team from year to year, Katy has built a PROGRAM.

[kttigersrock]

THE only reason i even brought the name of Clemens up,was what i talked about.Clemens was not war tested,just like Katy period,that is my point.We heard the same smack,how great because of the undefeated record and that great defense.it was`nt so,and it wont be to the team i`m really talking about,and thats Katy,not Clemens!

And by the way,we did walk on em.i was there,all you did was here about it!


Define 'war tested'.

Are you only 'war tested' if you won a few games by 1 or 2 points OR lost in a nail biter?

[dragonsdaddy]

great coaches like the kt contingent get what they need to have success in the po's from whatever schedule they have.

[kttigersrock]

I thought Katy had a chance to win that game against Madison. I thought Johnston should have picked the pace of play up faster. Mr. Young was the only threat and keeping him exhausted might have worked. The rest of the team had nothing - it was all Mr. Young. Katy kept slowing the pace down and it cost them because they gave Young time to recover.

Yep...V Young was a man among boys that year (remember Katy played 'em the two years prior (his Soph and Jr years) and beat him). But that game he looked great - he also played starting safety that game in '01)

[KTHoC]

I'm not here to make any great claims, but I do want to say I think Region 3 is making a HUGE mistake dismissing Region 4 like you cats have been doing. Many Houston teams made the same mistake before. I thought I had an unbeatable team last year and we see how that turned out. The SA teams that are left are all better than you think they are.
That isn't happening in Katy! It's one game at a time, one opponent at a time. You look ahead and you forget what you have to take care of today. Big mistake. You know better than that lonny. A good program doesn't look past it's next opponent.

[kttigersrock]

another team,that thinks there the measuring stick of success when they havent played a contender all year! Bottom line,your untested.If you want,we`ll get Lonny to do some stats...LOL :D

'Measuring sticks' of success evolve over time. I welcome you to provide comparable 'measurements'.....

KATY TIGERS

STATE CHAMPIONS
1959, 1997, 2000, 2003

State Finalists
1959, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003

State Semi-Finalists
1959, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003

State Quarter-Finalists
1959, 1992, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004

[Fleeman93]

Svite,

Just curious about your opinion of how much better SV 05 is than SV 02, or are they?

[kttigersrock]

That isn't happening in Katy! It's one game at a time, one opponent at a time. You look ahead and you forget what you have to take care of today. Big mistake. You know better than that lonny. A good program doesn't look past it's next opponent.

Exactly! Katy has bee around the block and knows any team coming out of R4 is a threat. If you are in the 5A final four in Texas, you deserve to be there, and you are good. But, I can tell you the men in red are not looking any furhter than Saturday night right now.

[AZTiger]

well katy had their 2nd string QB play that game, and he couldnt throw

[TXfbfan]

Over what team that has done anything?This year,they have beat up on weak teams,again another team,that thinks there the measuring stick of success when they havent played a contender all year!Bottom line,your untested.If you want,we`ll get Lonny to do some stats...LOL :D

Who have yall played that is so great? Ill admit Judson and SA Madison are good but yall havent beat a great team yet. I respect SV their a good program and alot like Katy. THey find a way to win in he play offs without the speed and talent of other teams, but this years different, Katy has a ton of speed and talent. All im saying is this team is comparable to 00 Katy, and that team was never in danger of lossing a game. I honestly dont think katy will have a close one this year.

[DragonNation]

Smithson Valley:

Which team are you more like? 02 or 04? Losers either way.

[dragons08]

Smithson Valley:

Which team are you more like? 02 or 04? Losers either way.
need some ice for that burn sv fans??

[JackHandey_98]

Smithson Valley:

Which team are you more like? 02 or 04? Losers either way.
Like SLC in '03

[dragons08]

Like SLC in '03
we had that coming...

[fbjones]

I am NOT talking about this year, but in 2003, it actually got easier once Northshore got to the semis. I believe the score was 52-0 against Westlake.
Lonny, if you did not see that game you missed Northshore at it's finest.
Houston Lamar gave Northshore the best game that year. It was a struggle. The semis and the state final were easier. This is not meant to disrespect Westlake or The Woodlands. It was just a fact for that year. If Westfield beats Northshore this friday I believe they will roll the region 4 team. O'Connor-3 losses, Converse-4 losses, LaJoya-2 losses, Harlingen-2 losses. Westfield -1 loss in two years, Northshore-1 loss in three years

I don't know about Division 2. I am only talking about Division 1.

[DragonNation]

Like SLC in '03


No like SV in both 02 and 04. Your trash talking on this board is really borderline arrogant considering you have won ...?....nothing?

[JackHandey_98]

No like SV in both 02 and 04. Your trash talking on this board is really borderline arrogant considering you have won ...?....nothing?
without trash talking there would be no talking......you should know some of the SLC folks on here are just as bad.

[lonny23]

Over what team that has done anything?This year,they have beat up on weak teams,again another team,that thinks there the measuring stick of success when they havent played a contender all year!Bottom line,your untested.If you want,we`ll get Lonny to do some stats...LOL :D
Under Johnston, it didn't matter too much who Katy played because you pretty well knew they would get better as they went along and be hard to beat in the playoffs. That may be true for Joseph, but I can't say that yet.

[lonny23]

'Measuring sticks' of success evolve over time. I welcome you to provide comparable 'measurements'.....

KATY TIGERS

STATE CHAMPIONS
1959, 1997, 2000, 2003

State Finalists
1959, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003

State Semi-Finalists
1959, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003

State Quarter-Finalists
1959, 1992, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004
Titles
1983, 1988, 1992, 1993, 1995, 2002
Finals
1983, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2002
Semifinals
1982, 1983, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2004
Quarterfinals
1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2004

You know who! :D

[dragons08]

without trash talking there would be no talking......you should know some of the SLC folks on here are just as bad.
i challenge that statement, check out the offtopic board..

[AZTiger]

hey moron, this is between SV and Katy, we know what Judson has, and respect it. go back to your hole

[dragons08]

hey moron, this is between SV and Katy, we know what Judson has, and respect it. go back to your hole
calling out lonny?? thats a bad carrer move..

[JackHandey_98]

hey moron, this is between SV and Katy, we know what Judson has, and respect it. go back to your hole
Literally

[SVite]

Define 'war tested'.

Are you only 'war tested' if you won a few games by 1 or 2 points OR lost in a nail biter?


Your war tested when you play contenders,that get you ready for the real season,"the playoffs."Weak teams can be in nail biters against each other,it`s not the score,it`s the competition.When SV lost to Judson last year,they realized they would have to play at a much higher level,and they did.And it made them a better team ,in the long run.If judson did`nt beat us in the playoff atmosphere that it was, i dont think SV would have had the mind set,that they had to be in the Final.We all know how close SV came to beating the #1 team in nation.

[lonny23]

calling out lonny?? thats a bad carrer move..
There sure are better one's to be made! :D

I had no idea this was supposed to be a Katy vs. SV thing. I took the question at face value for who could match Katy.

[dragons08]

There sure are better one's to be made! :D

I had no idea this was supposed to be a Katy vs. SV thing. I took the question at face value for who could match Katy.
face value eh? how much was it worht on ebay?

[dragons08]

hey moron, this is between SV and Katy, we know what Judson has, and respect it. go back to your hole
i just realized...this thread is about slc..

[JackHandey_98]

hey moron, this is between SV and Katy, we know what Judson has, and respect it. go back to your hole
Judson is in the 265... are they not?

[dragons08]

Judson is in the 265... are they not?
the idea of thinking spookes some people i guess

[AZTiger]

bad career move? whatever, he pisses me off because every player i've known from judson, and i went to school with enough of them, at DW's alma mater, respect katy, and myself and other katy players respect judson as a program, yet lonny loves to come around all the time and badmouth katy and other region 3 teams while blowing sunshine up the butt of region 4 (mainly san antonio).

i guess i'm just one of those guys who would rather not waste my time on a "my program is better than yours" argument when in retrospect, the great state of texas has had MANY a great HS program over the year and that will continue to be the case

[AZTiger]

Judson is in the 265... are they not?

the post i was referring to was about when a certain SV fan decided to make this a team specific argument.

[lonny23]

bad career move? whatever, he pisses me off because every player i've known from judson, and i went to school with enough of them, at DW's alma mater, respect katy, and myself and other katy players respect judson as a program, yet lonny loves to come around all the time and badmouth katy and other region 3 teams while blowing sunshine up the butt of region 4 (mainly san antonio).

i guess i'm just one of those guys who would rather not waste my time on a "my program is better than yours" argument when in retrospect, the great state of texas has had MANY a great HS program over the year and that will continue to be the case
Make sure you and the rest of the Houston fans read this:

1. I respect Katy, North Shore, and Westfield. Respect does not mean I think you'll win every game. Many people confuse thinking you might lose a game as disrespect. I've spent more time saying good stuff about Katy than every other team in Houston combined. I really appreciate what they've done and how they run the program.

2. I'm in Region 4 and I like our teams. I have nothing against your teams. I'm going to joke around and talk a little trash. Anybody that gets upset at what I've said about Region 3 this year has a maturity/personal relations problem. I didn't get mad when everybody started saying Region 3 was going to blow away Region 4 and there's no reason to be mad at me over Region 4. All you have to do is wait for 2-3 more weeks and see how R3 does against R4.

3. I have to take up for my team. Many people read this website and I can't sit here and let everybody place doubt in Judson's mind. I want them to believe they'll win every game they play.

[Fleeman93]

I hope Judson comes out of R4 D1 so they can have their rematch shot at R3!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[AZTiger]

Make sure you and the rest of the Houston fans read this:

1. I respect Katy, North Shore, and Westfield. Respect does not mean I think you'll win every game. Many people confuse thinking you might lose a game as disrespect. I've spent more time saying good stuff about Katy than every other team in Houston combined. I really appreciate what they've done and how they run the program.

2. I'm in Region 4 and I like our teams. I have nothing against your teams. I'm going to joke around and talk a little trash. Anybody that gets upset at what I've said about Region 3 this year has a maturity/personal relations problem. I didn't get mad when everybody started saying Region 3 was going to blow away Region 4 and there's no reason to be mad at me over Region 4. All you have to do is wait for 2-3 more weeks and see how R3 does against R4.

3. I have to take up for my team. Many people read this website and I can't sit here and let everybody place doubt in Judson's mind. I want them to believe they'll win every game they play.


you're still a stathead, and you know what they say "there's lies, damn lies, and statistics" ;)

[bullrock]

You just might get your wish. Those second chance teams can be pretty dangerous. Losses don't hurt in the regular season as much as some believe. Read the post from the SV fan that was thanking the Rockets for beating them last year. I haven't been too confident in the Rockets this year, but the last few games have brought back a lot of memories. The first one that comes to mind is enthusiasm. They seem to be playing with a lot of heart now. If they lose this week or next week it won't have any affect on tommorrow for me or any other fan as long as they play with all they have. You can't ask for anymore than that. Even though we lost to Westfield last year, the team never gave up. That was very inspiring and that is what has been missing most of this year. I think a lot of people get the wrong idea about how we back our team. Losses are not the end of the world. It's how you lose that affects how we judge the team.

[lonny23]

You just might get your wish. Those second chance teams can be pretty dangerous. Losses don't hurt in the regular season as much as some believe. Read the post from the SV fan that was thanking the Rockets for beating them last year. I haven't been too confident in the Rockets this year, but the last few games have brought back a lot of memories. The first one that comes to mind is enthusiasm. They seem to be playing with a lot of heart now. If they lose this week or next week it won't have any affect on tommorrow for me or any other fan as long as they play with all they have. You can't ask for anymore than that. Even though we lost to Westfield last year, the team never gave up. That was very inspiring and that is what has been missing most of this year. I think a lot of people get the wrong idea about how we back our team. Losses are not the end of the world. It's how you lose that affects how we judge the team.
You said that very well, Bullrock. I want effort and wins, but the effort is more important than winning. Sometimes your best isn't good enough, but you owe it to the fans and your teammates to give your best.

[nate]

Like Katy, Judson is a PROGRAM and a measuring stick game for every other team every year. The Rockets don't have to play the #1 SOS in order for other teams and coaches to know how good they are from year to year.

As far as this whole Reg. 3 v. Reg. 4 thing goes, I think most of us realize that the cream of both regions match up pretty well every year. However, there have been years where one or the other dominates at the semi-final round. This year, I like Region 3's chances to sweep convincingly.

[bullrock]

Truely spoken Nate. The last sentence might be a little subjective, however. We in Reg. IV might have the opposite opinion. I would think Div I would be more apt to lose (to Reg III), on paper that is, than Div II. I don't know much about any of the teams from Houston except what I've read on this board and I'm sure the same can be said of the other side. It's hard to know how these teams will match-up when they actually meet. If we're fortunate enough to play in the match-up I will be tickled to death.

[Fleeman93]

Rock you think that there is a better chance of R4 DI beating R3 DI than R3 DII beating R4 DII?

[nate]

Rock you think that there is a better chance of R4 DI beating R3 DI than R3 DII beating R4 DII?

I think you have that backwards. He thinks it more likely that Reg. 4 takes the DII semi-final than they take the DI game.

[bullrock]

No Flee, you have it backwards. If you look at the win/loss records alone, I would say that The DI rep from Reg IV should lose to the DI rep from Reg III. I think looking at the records in the other bracket it would be hard to tell.
Maybe my ole Rockets can slip up on some of these teams this year like Tyler did last year.

[Fleeman93]

Ok, I went back and looked at what he said. I was about to say no freaking way!

[lonny23]

I can't really say which R4 has the better chance to win. Both of them will be coming in at the top of their game, but the same might be true of R3.

[SVite]

'Measuring sticks' of success evolve over time. I welcome you to provide comparable 'measurements'.....

KATY TIGERS

STATE CHAMPIONS
1959, 1997, 2000, 2003

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That post had nothing to do with history class,it was for this year.... :rolleyes:

[SVite]

Svite,

Just curious about your opinion of how much better SV 05 is than SV 02, or are they?

about the same,but deeper at wr,and te.better in the defensive secondary,a little weaker at fg kicker.not as good at qb.deeper at rb.more experience at coaching in the big one.smaller,but quicker o line.even at d line,better at creating turnovers.weaker a punting,equal in heart,and better cheerleaders :D

[ktCarl]

about the same,but deeper at wr,and te.better in the defensive secondary,a little weaker at fg kicker.not as good at qb.deeper at rb.more experience at coaching in the big one.smaller,but quicker o line.even at d line,better at creating turnovers.weaker a punting,equal in heart,and better cheerleaders :D

Well I hope we make it just to see those SV cheerleaders!! :D

[nate]

That post had nothing to do with history class,it was for this year.... :rolleyes:

Well SVite, as soon as your team actually wins a title, they will get the respect other teams get and the recognition as a benchmark program and game for all of their opponents, year in and year out.

You see, history can teach you a few things. It can enlighten those like you to the fact that a year-to-year strength of schedule factor is really pointless in Texas HS Football. Several top programs have reached a level and know what it will take to win it all - regardless of the schedule they play.

[AZTiger]

anyone ever think the Ewing factor is in effect with Coach Hill? (if you don't read Bill Simmons just ignore this?)

of course, i can't remember if when Hill was at Roosevelt if they won the title that year or not, if they did, then nevermind

[SVite]

Well SVite, as soon as your team actually wins a title, they will get the respect other teams get and the recognition as a benchmark program and game for all of their opponents, year in and year out.

You see, history can teach you a few things. It can enlighten those like you to the fact that a year-to-year strength of schedule factor is really pointless in Texas HS Football. Several top programs have reached a level and know what it will take to win it all - regardless of the schedule they play.

like in 2002 when a country school out in the cedar breaks,beat a big Houston team!That History meant nothing then, And it still wont!

[AZTiger]

like in 2002 when a country school out in the cedar breaks,beat a big Houston team!That History meant nothing then, And it still wont!

have you ever even been to Katy? yeah, not exactly "big city."

hell, if people in houston think Katy's country, i wonder what they'd think about SV? SV is way out there. does that one dude that lives on the hill still burn SV into the side of the mountain like he used to?

[SVite]

LOL,yeah one time,at home comming this year.The V was burning a little out of hand,you could see the guys stomping fire out, through the binoculars.I dont think the fire dept. is to hip on that little tradition!

[AZTiger]

yeah i never got to see that when i went to a couple games back when i was at TLU

[dragonfootballfan]

like in 2002 when a country school out in the cedar breaks,beat a big Houston team!That History meant nothing then, And it still wont!
what happened the next week and then two years later?