Ut V Usc

[Primetime536]

Well it is a given that this is the National championship game. The only ? is...whos gunna win?

USC, damn how good are they?


A qb Matt L. 3000+ passing yards, arguably best QB in the nation(top 2 for sure) oh and whats he? the defending Heismen trophy winner....

2 RB over 1000 yards. Bush and White. Bush, most explosive player in college football, well him and VY. White very powerfull, almost unstopable in short yardage....A little thunder + lightning = unstopable

2 WR over 1000 yards. D.Jarret. Come on this guy is electric, 6.5 height 4.4 speed, how do you stop him. Smith-also has amazing speed, great route runner, and outstanding hand, perhaps best in the nation....its hard enough to cover one of these guys, let alone two..

The O, i mean come on, unstopable...


Well UT, last i looked has V. Young, quiet frankley thats all you need

[BigWhiteJake]

the offense was held in check by a pretty weak notre dame defense... 42 on arizona and oregon, eh thats about like UT, 35 on cal is kind of low, but UT an off week too. basically, i see it like you have the two best offenses in the nation, the X factor is the fact that UT has that great defense and USC will be not much more than a speed bump to the end zone for VY and co., to be honest i could see that game getting out of hand

[jtk1519]

It's shaping up to be a good match-up.

Texas (#3 in pass efficiency) vs. USC (#5 in pass efficiency)

USC (#1 in total offense) vs. Texas (#2 in total offense)

Texas (#1 in scoring) vs. USC (#2 in scoring)


Texas gets the edge in the defense dept. if you ask me.

Texas (#7 in total defense) vs. USC (#37 in total defense)

Texas (#6 in scoring defense) vs. USC (#27 in scoring defense)

Texas (#18 in rush defense) vs. USC (#25 in rush defense)

Texas (#8 in pass defense) vs. USC (#70 in pass defense)

Texas (#4 in pass efficiency defense) vs. USC (#42 in pass efficiency defense)


I think Texas also has the advantage in special teams.

Texas (#7 in punt returns) vs. USC (#68 in punt returns)

Texas (#6 in kick returns) vs. USC (#29 in kick returns)

Texas (#48 in punt return defense) vs. USC (#116 in punt return defense)

Texas (#31 in kick return defense) vs. USC (#93 in kick return defense)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

the offense was held in check by a pretty weak notre dame defense... 42 on arizona and oregon, eh thats about like UT, 35 on cal is kind of low, but UT an off week too. basically, i see it like you have the two best offenses in the nation, the X factor is the fact that UT has that great defense and USC will be not much more than a speed bump to the end zone for VY and co., to be honest i could see that game getting out of hand

I wouldn't call that ND weak, at all!! As a unit, they're one of the more solid defenses!!

Both teams are solid....UT has the edge on defense, but USC has the edge on experience!! It's really as simple as that!

I'll wait until December to give you my prediction!

[jtk1519]

I wouldn't call that ND weak, at all!! As a unit, they're one of the more solid defenses!!

That "solid" unit ranks #77 in the nation.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

That "solid" unit ranks #77 in the nation.

On the night that they played USC...that "solid" defense could have shut out any other team in the nation, IMO!!

And lets see, they've played Michigan, Michigan State, USC and Tennessee...all of whom have been, and/or still are, ranked within the Top 15.

I bet if you look at alot of those "top ranked defenses" you'll find alot of teams with soft schedules....i.e..Texas Tech having this juggernaut offense, playing against D2 schools!!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

That "solid" unit ranks #77 in the nation.

Oh and overall they rank 53rd in the nation...36th in rushing def.

And you're telling me these defenses are better than Notre Dame's....

Middle Tenn. St.
UAB
Miami (Ohio)
South Florida
Connecticut
Colorado
Pittsburgh
UTEP
Toledo
Fresno St.
Iowa State
Arkansas State
Nebraska
Central Michigan
Troy
Tulsa
Boise State

they're just a few, ranked ahead of Notre Dame!!!

(None of them have tougher schedules!!!!)

[ktchamp97]

That's what I like about ya, jtk, your attention to detail...

Going off of your excellent work, I decided to pair the stats based on the actual in-game matchups. I'm actually shocked at how well UT stacks up.

Take a look...I've bolded the obvious advantages...notice none are bolded for when USC is on offense :eek:

Texas offense vs. USC defense

Texas (#2 in total offense) vs. USC (#37 in total defense)

Texas (#1 in scoring) vs. USC (#27 in scoring defense)

Texas (#3 in pass efficiency) vs. USC (#42 in pass efficiency defense)

Texas (#2 rushing offense) vs. USC (#25 rushing defense)


The greatest offense ever vs. Texas defense

USC (#1 in total offense) vs. Texas (#7 in total defense)

USC (#2 in scoring) vs. Texas (#6 in scoring defense)

USC (#5 in pass efficiency) vs. Texas (#4 in pass efficiency defense)

USC (#7 rushing offense) vs. Texas (#18 rushing defense)


Special Teams:

Texas (#7 in punt returns) vs. USC (#116 in punt return defense)

Texas (#6 in kick returns) vs. USC (#93 in kick return defense)

USC (#68 in punt returns) vs. Texas (#48 in punt return defense)

USC (#29 in kick returns) vs. Texas (#31 in kick return defense)


Number of Vincent Youngs:
Texas - 1
USC - 0

I like our chances :D

[jtk1519]

Oh and overall they rank 53rd in the nation...36th in rushing def.

According to the NCAA (through this past Sat.), Notre Dame ranks 77th in total defense, 40th in rush defense and 100th in pass defense.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/ranking_summary/2005000000513.HTML

On ND's schedule are...

Pitt (92 in total offense, 67 in scoring)
Michigan (49 in total offense, 41 in scoring)
Washington (70 in total offense, 87 in scoring)
Purdue (30 in total offense, 45 in scoring)
Tennessee (100 in total offense, 107 in scoring) :o
Navy (45 in total offense, 35 in scoring)

They have played some good offenses in USC, MSU and BYU, but overall, the ND defense is very unimpressive (except for all but 2 minutes of the USC game).

[ThEgReAtOnE]

According to the NCAA (through this past Sat.), Notre Dame ranks 77th in total defense, 40th in rush defense and 100th in pass defense.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/ranking_summary/2005000000513.HTML

On ND's schedule are...

Pitt (92 in total offense, 67 in scoring)
Michigan (49 in total offense, 41 in scoring)
Washington (70 in total offense, 87 in scoring)
Purdue (30 in total offense, 45 in scoring)
Tennessee (100 in total offense, 107 in scoring) :o
Navy (45 in total offense, 35 in scoring)

They have played some good offenses in USC, MSU and BYU, but overall, the ND defense is very unimpressive (except for all but 2 minutes of the USC game).

And again...numbers are only as good as the opponent. Take the teams I listed above....they're defenses are ranked higher than Notre Dame's. I'm sorry...offensively teams like TTech are ranked ahead of great teams - LSU, ND, Penn State, Auburn, Virginia Tech, and MANY more - yet if they'd of played the schedule ND has played they'd be ranked 100th. Would you pick Tech to beat LSU, Penn State, ND or Va Tech??!!

Sorry jtk....
I'd take ND's defense (and whole team) over 90% of the other teams' defenses that are ranked ahead of them, because I know ND is much more battle tested than the majority of them!

Oh and the 53rd and 36th rankings are updated as of Nov. 13th. (Sunday)

[dragonfootballfan]

How is USC so far down on the list in punt return and kick return yardage when they have the most electrifying player ever in Reggie Bush back there returning. That is a little odd isn't it. Or maybe Reggie Bush could be a product of media hype? Couldn't be.

[Primetime536]

That's what I like about ya, jtk, your attention to detail...

Going off of your excellent work, I decided to pair the stats based on the actual in-game matchups. I'm actually shocked at how well UT stacks up.

Take a look...I've bolded the obvious advantages...notice none are bolded for when USC is on offense :eek:

Texas offense vs. USC defense

Texas (#2 in total offense) vs. USC (#37 in total defense)

Texas (#1 in scoring) vs. USC (#27 in scoring defense)

Texas (#3 in pass efficiency) vs. USC (#42 in pass efficiency defense)

Texas (#2 rushing offense) vs. USC (#25 rushing defense)


The greatest offense ever vs. Texas defense

USC (#1 in total offense) vs. Texas (#7 in total defense)

USC (#2 in scoring) vs. Texas (#6 in scoring defense)

USC (#5 in pass efficiency) vs. Texas (#4 in pass efficiency defense)

USC (#7 rushing offense) vs. Texas (#18 rushing defense)


Special Teams:

Texas (#7 in punt returns) vs. USC (#116 in punt return defense)

Texas (#6 in kick returns) vs. USC (#93 in kick return defense)

USC (#68 in punt returns) vs. Texas (#48 in punt return defense)

USC (#29 in kick returns) vs. Texas (#31 in kick return defense)


Number of Vincent Youngs:
Texas - 1
USC - 0

I like our chances :D
Oh wow you got usc on the 0 VY

BUT,,,,LETS SEE

Number of Vy
Texas-1
Usc-0

BUT

Number of matt leiners
usc-1
Ut-0

Number of 1000 yard RB
UT-0-1?
Usc-2

Number of Reggie bushes
Usc-1
UT-0

Number GREAT Wr
Usc-2
Ut-0 You can consider Sweed or pittmen great yet

[jtk1519]

How is USC so far down on the list in punt return and kick return yardage when they have the most electrifying player ever in Reggie Bush back there returning. That is a little odd isn't it. Or maybe Reggie Bush could be a product of media hype? Couldn't be.

Media hype. Bush is good, but he aint what ESPN tries to make him out to be.

Bush ranks 39 in the nation in punt returns with a 10.13 yard average and 1 TD. By comparison, Texas' Aaron Ross (who hasnt even returned all the punts) ranks #7 with a 16.29 average and 2 TDs.

[westlake]

Brian Carter - 5-11 190lbs 15REC - 211YDS
Quan Cosby - 5-11 200lbs 5REC - 104YDS - 1TD
Jamaal Charles - 6-1 190lbs 94 rushes - 702yds - 8TD 12REC - 153yds - 1TD
Nate Jones - 6-2 195lbs 7REC - 55YDS - 1TD
Henry Melton - 6-3 270lbs 64 rushes - 293YDS - 7TD
Billy Pittman - 6 -0 198lbs 25REC - 647YDS - 5TD 1 rush 15YDS
Limas Sweed - 6-5 219lbs 17REC - 277YDS - 13TD
Romance Taylor - 5-11 195lbs 29 rushes - 262yds - 7TD 23REC - 254YDS - 3TD
David Thomas - 6-3 245lbs 30REC - 381YDS - 3TD
Selvin Young - 6-0 215lbs 76 rushes 312 yds 5TD 3REC - 20YDS
Vince Young - 6-5 233lbs 111 rushes - 778YDS - 8TD 217-136PASS - 8INT - 2133YDS - 18TD

More guys that can make a play. Texas has way too many dimensions.

[Primetime536]

Media hype. Bush is good, but he aint what ESPN tries to make him out to be.

Bush ranks 39 in the nation in punt returns with a 10.13 yard average and 1 TD. By comparison, Texas' Aaron Ross (who hasnt even returned all the punts) ranks #7 with a 16.29 average and 2 TDs.
oh my god, unbelivable, name 1 player other than VY more explosive than this guy...i think its kinda rediculous you would try to take away from his brillance

[Primetime536]

Brian Carter - 5-11 190lbs 15REC - 211YDS
Quan Cosby - 5-11 200lbs 5REC - 104YDS - 1TD
Jamaal Charles - 6-1 190lbs 94 rushes - 702yds - 8TD 12REC - 153yds - 1TD
Nate Jones - 6-2 195lbs 7REC - 55YDS - 1TD
Henry Melton - 6-3 270lbs 64 rushes - 293YDS - 7TD
Billy Pittman - 6 -0 198lbs 25REC - 647YDS - 5TD 1 rush 15YDS
Limas Sweed - 6-5 219lbs 17REC - 277YDS - 13TD
Romance Taylor - 5-11 195lbs 29 rushes - 262yds - 7TD 23REC - 254YDS - 3TD
David Thomas - 6-3 245lbs 30REC - 381YDS - 3TD
Selvin Young - 6-0 215lbs 76 rushes 312 yds 5TD 3REC - 20YDS
Vince Young - 6-5 233lbs 111 rushes - 778YDS - 8TD 217-136PASS - 8INT - 2133YDS - 18TD

More guys that can make a play. Texas has way too many dimensions.
dude some of those players arnt even good

[GTown02]

oh my god, unbelivable, name 1 player other than VY more explosive than this guy...i think its kinda rediculous you would try to take away from his brillance
What is he taking away? Bush is NOT as good at punt returns as ESPN or others make him out to be... thats just a simple fact. He is an unbelievable back, but he gets hyped up more than he really is on returns...

[dragonfootballfan]

oh my god, unbelivable, name 1 player other than VY more explosive than this guy...i think its kinda rediculous you would try to take away from his brillance
well as stated before Texas has a better punt returner and Ramonce Taylor ranks higher than Reggie Bush on kick returns.

[jtk1519]

Oh wow you got usc on the 0 VY

BUT,,,,LETS SEE

Number of Vy
Texas-1
Usc-0

BUT

Number of matt leiners
usc-1
Ut-0

Number of 1000 yard RB
UT-0-1?
Usc-2

Number of Reggie bushes
Usc-1
UT-0

Number GREAT Wr
Usc-2
Ut-0 You can consider Sweed or pittmen great yet

The response to that is very simple... Texas is more balanced. Behold...

USC does have two 1000 yard rushers. Those two guys (White and Bush) have accounted for 75% of USC carries, 83% of the rushing yards and 76% of the rushing TDs. The next leading rusher for USC only has 19 carries for 137 yards.

Texas on the other hand has 5 guys with 40 or more carries and 5 guys with 350 or more rushing yards. Texas leading rusher (Vince Young) only accounts for 25% of the overall team's carries, 27% of the rushing yards and 20% of the team's rushing TDs. In fact, Texas top two rushers (Young and Jamaal Charles have almost identical numbers on the season). Young... 117 carries for 774 yards and 8 TDs. Charles... 102 carries for 772 yards and 9 TDs. Those two combined only account for 47% of the team's total carries, 55% of the yards and 41% of the TDs

So, in the rushing dept., you can defend what USC will throw at you...

Reggie Bush - 140 carries for 1104 yards and 11 TDs
LenDale White - 156 carries for 1003 yards and 17 TDs

Or, you can defend what Texas will throw at you...

Vince Young - 117 carries for 774 yards and 8 TDs
Jamaal Charles - 102 carries for 772 yards and 9 TDs
Selvin Young - 83 carries for 369 yards and 6 TDs
Henry Melton - 71 carries for 366 yards and 7 TDs
Ramonce Taylor - 43 carries for 368 yards and 9 TDs

Pick your poison, but Texas is going to run a freakin' cattle drive at you.



The same is true of receiving. Behold...

Yes, USC has two great receivers. Those two receivers (Jarrett and Smith) have accounted for 50% of USC's total receptions, 57% of the team's receiving yards and 67% of the team's TDs. However, USC has one receiver that accounts for most of everything. Dwayne Jarrett has caught 30% of the passes for 31% of the yards and 52 of the TDs

Texas on the other hand really spreads the ball out. Texas has 4 receivers with 20 or more catches and 5 receivers with more than 200 yards. Texas' leading receiver (David Thomas) has caught just 21% of the team's passes for just 19% of the team's yards and 18% of the TDs.

So, in the receiving dept., you can defend what USC will throw at you...

Dwayne Jarrett - 70 catches for 1033 yards and 14 TDs
Steve Smith - 47 catches for 858 yards and 4 TDs

Or, you can defend what Texas will throw at you...

David Thomas - 34 catches for 457 yards and 4 TDs
Billy Pittman - 29 catches for 686 yards and 5 TDs (leads the nation in yards per catch at 23.7)
Ramonce Taylor - 24 catches for 259 yards and 3 TDs
Limas Sweed - 20 catches for 346 yards and 4 TDs

USC doesn’t stray much from their base I-formation with a RB, FB, TE and 2 WRs. A defense has to defend the 2 WRs and occasional passes to the RB or TE. Texas on the other hand will line up in a similar I-formation, or a 2 TE, 2 WR, 1 RB set or a 1 TE, 3 WR, 1 RB set or they will even line up 5 wide with Ramonce, Thomas, Sweed, Pittman and Cosby (or Carter). In other words, that USC is going to have to defend a lot more people that run out of a lot of different formations.



The same principals apply to the QB position as well.

Matt Leinart is one helluva QB that has completed 66% of his passes for 3017 yards and 23 TDs. However, you know what he's gonna do. He's gonna hand it off or throw it and he will throw it from the pocket. It is very rare that he leaves the pocket and he rarely throws on the run.

Vince on the other hand has completed 64% of his passes for 2414 yards and 22 TDs, but Vince as another dimension that opposing defenses have to worry about. They have to contend with the fact that Vince is averaging 6.6 yards per carry and over 77 rushing yards per game. They also have to deal with the fact that Vince will throw from the pocket, he will move the pocket and he will throw on the run... all with equal effectiveness.

In other words, Leinart probably throws a little better than Vince, but with Vince, there is SO much more that a defense has to worry about. If the opposing defense can get in the USC backfield, odds are you will sack Leinart. If an opposing defense gets into Texas' backfield, they better pray they can sack Young, because if they can't, he will take off for big yards or find the receivers that is wide open by this time.

In my honest, humble and somewhat biased opinion... USC has great players, but Texas just has more players. They have more RBs to stop, more WRs to shut down and a dual-threat QB that can kill you in a number of ways. Pick your poison.

[ktchamp97]

On returns, Reggie Bush is like a baseball player that hits the most beautiful, longest, most jaw-dropping homeruns, but hits like .240 and strikes out alot. He's damn fun to watch, he is electrifying, but the production just isn't there.

Ramonce Taylor has just 2 fewer TD's than Reggie Bush and he has over 100 less touches. By that, you could say that RT is more explosive than Reggie Bush. :D

[bowiedawgs01]

jtk, on another thread, pointed this out from the last 2 games...

Reggie Bush: 247 total yards and 1 TD

Ramonce Taylor: 267 yards and 6 TDs

[jtk1519]

The Ramonce vs. Reggie debate is starting to turn interesting because the Texas coaches are just now starting to utilize Ramonce the way USC uses Bush (that or the emergence of Quan Cosby has allowed the coaches to use Ramonce more at his natural position... RB). We can uses his averages to see what kind of numbers Ramonce would put up if he saw the same kind of touches Reggie does.

Reggie Bush has 140 carries on the season. If Ramonce Taylor had 140 carries, he would have 1162 rushing yards based on his 8.3 yard per carry average. He would also have 29 TDs based on the fact that he scores a TD every 4.8 carries.

Both guys are almost dead even in the receiving dept.

Ramonce is also averaging 28 yards per kick return compared to the 16.3 yards Bush is averaging.

[bowiedawgs01]

Ramonce is sick.

[BigWhiteJake]

wow jtk, that was one of the most brilliant posts i have ever read, without a doubt texas is more dangerous

[DirtyHarry01]

Katy Whatever, once again, you've eliminated the need to even play the game. Based on your "logic," there's no need to bother with the game, just call it a coronation. That's why LSU will never beat Alabama, because the statistics say they shouldn't. The Patriots should have lost to the Colts last year, strictly based on stats. Wow, who won the Super Bowl?

[TheDuke]

dude some of those players arnt even good

DUDE,

Name one of those players who aren't that good! They are ALL good!

[dragonfootballfan]

DUDE,

Name one of those players who aren't that good! They are ALL good!
actually,

Brian Carter
Nate Jones

[RunThePost]

On returns, Reggie Bush is like a baseball player that hits the most beautiful, longest, most jaw-dropping homeruns, but hits like .240 and strikes out alot. He's damn fun to watch, he is electrifying, but the production just isn't there.

Ramonce Taylor has just 2 fewer TD's than Reggie Bush and he has over 100 less touches. By that, you could say that RT is more explosive than Reggie Bush. :D

USC:
1 3000 yd passer
2 1000 yd rushers

Production?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

The fact of the matter is teams will eye/key only Vince Young when they play Texas....however, when teams play USC (evident in a 31 game winning streak) they will eye/key, first, Reggie Bush, then the Heisman QB. To see Romance Taylor recieve a punt, si totally different to see Reggie Bush recieve a punt, because teams will avoid Reggie, or key him.

All of these stats you guys are talking about are not in relation to the caliber of the teams they faced. USC's QB, RB's- White and Bush, WR's - Jarrett and Smith, have seen it all! They've taken everyone's biggest shot, week in and week out, for 31 games, now....and no one has beaten them!

While Texas was only considered legit after they beat Michigan at the end of last years season. And even then they had to beat Ohio State to solidify it!

Those stats of USC's are more impressive than UT's because of what USC's accomplished...yet those stats may be their downfall in the NC game, if they under-estimate UT and their power!!

It will be a great game, and I hope the Longhorns beat their a**, but comparing these numbers are irrelevent!

[westlake]

Since 2 of the guys that i listed "arent even good" ill revise my list

Quan Cosby - 5-11 200lbs 5REC - 104YDS - 1TD
Jamaal Charles - 6-1 190lbs 94 rushes - 702yds - 8TD 12REC - 153yds - 1TD
Henry Melton - 6-3 270lbs 64 rushes - 293YDS - 7TD
Billy Pittman - 6 -0 198lbs 25REC - 647YDS - 5TD 1 rush 15YDS
Limas Sweed - 6-5 219lbs 17REC - 277YDS - 13TD
Romance Taylor - 5-11 195lbs 29 rushes - 262yds - 7TD 23REC - 254YDS - 3TD
David Thomas - 6-3 245lbs 30REC - 381YDS - 3TD
Selvin Young - 6-0 215lbs 76 rushes 312 yds 5TD 3REC - 20YDS
Vince Young - 6-5 233lbs 111 rushes - 778YDS - 8TD 217-136PASS - 8INT - 2133YDS - 18TD

[wide-e-wide]

Since 2 of the guys that i listed "arent even good" ill revise my list

Quan Cosby - 5-11 200lbs 5REC - 104YDS - 1TD
Jamaal Charles - 6-1 190lbs 94 rushes - 702yds - 8TD 12REC - 153yds - 1TD
Henry Melton - 6-3 270lbs 64 rushes - 293YDS - 7TD
Billy Pittman - 6 -0 198lbs 25REC - 647YDS - 5TD 1 rush 15YDS
Limas Sweed - 6-5 219lbs 17REC - 277YDS - 13TD
Romance Taylor - 5-11 195lbs 29 rushes - 262yds - 7TD 23REC - 254YDS - 3TD
David Thomas - 6-3 245lbs 30REC - 381YDS - 3TD
Selvin Young - 6-0 215lbs 76 rushes 312 yds 5TD 3REC - 20YDS
Vince Young - 6-5 233lbs 111 rushes - 778YDS - 8TD 217-136PASS - 8INT - 2133YDS - 18TD


Just give it up westlake...the whole team sucks...and they are DOOMED!

Whoop!

[dragonfootballfan]

Since 2 of the guys that i listed "arent even good" ill revise my list


the reason that I pointed out those two guys is because I think that all the other guys that you listed are future NFL players, while the two that I pointed out are probably not going to be in the NFL.

One thing that seems to be overlooked is that Texas and USC probably have the number one and number two offensive lines in college football respectively. Both lines are great, but I feel that Texas may have one of the best lines ever at the college level.

[TheDuke]

actually,

Brian Carter
Nate Jones


Why aren't they good? Carter has never dropped a pass that I have ever seen. He was a stud in HS! Jones, not sure about. Just because they don't get to play as much doesn't mean these kids aren't good!

[dragonfootballfan]

Why aren't they good? Carter has never dropped a pass that I have ever seen. He was a stud in HS! Jones, not sure about. Just because they don't get to play as much doesn't mean these kids aren't good!
they are not as good as the people that USC has on their bench and I don't see them as NFL players, like the rest of the people on their bench

[jtk1519]

Just because a player has little NFL potential does not make the bad or any less of an athlete than somebody bred for the NFL. Some of the best players in college football have had very little NFL potential. Just take a look at Jason White, Eric Crouch, the Detmer brothers, Charlie Ward, Darren Sproles, etc. You want to tell me those guys arent good? They may not be in the NFL or if they are, they may have very limited roles, but they were sure awesome in college.

While I agree that Brian Carter and Nate Jones may not be the most talented (give Jones some time, he's only a soph.), they serve their purpose and contribute to the team anyway they can. That should not be underestimated.

[ktchamp97]

Katy Whatever, once again, you've eliminated the need to even play the game. Based on your "logic," there's no need to bother with the game, just call it a coronation. That's why LSU will never beat Alabama, because the statistics say they shouldn't. The Patriots should have lost to the Colts last year, strictly based on stats. Wow, who won the Super Bowl?

What?

Why are you getting so bent out of shape? All I did was point out interesting facts and statistical comparisons between the teams. Where in my post did I say that the numbers proved UT would win and USC has no shot...where?

Of course USC has a chance. It would be absolutely ******** to point to the stats and say, well, no need to play! If you'll take time to read the post, you'll find that is not what I did by any stretch. You are putting words in my mouth and jumping to conclusions. The whole point was to compare the teams. I had no idea how it would come out when I stacked the numbers against each other...hence, the statement that I was 'shocked' at how well Texas compared.

If there's anyone who knows that you don't win games on paper, it is me...because, on paper, my team would have gone 4-6 and wouldn't have made the playoffs...but somehow we went 14-1 and won state...go figure?

[dragonfootballfan]

Just because a player has little NFL potential does not make the bad or any less of an athlete than somebody bred for the NFL. Some of the best players in college football have had very little NFL potential. Just take a look at Jason White, Eric Crouch, the Detmer brothers, Charlie Ward, Darren Sproles, etc. You want to tell me those guys arent good? They may not be in the NFL or if they are, they may have very limited roles, but they were sure awesome in college.

While I agree that Brian Carter and Nate Jones may not be the most talented (give Jones some time, he's only a soph.), they serve their purpose and contribute to the team anyway they can. That should not be underestimated.
ya but you can't even begin to compare them to Jarret and Bush which is what he was trying to do. I think that the other players that he listed you can start to compare their playmaking ability, but not these guys. I guess I chose the wrong choice of words. Those guys are good, but not as good as the others listed

[ktchamp97]

USC:
1 3000 yd passer
2 1000 yd rushers

Production?

And that has what to do with a post about Reggie Bush returning kicks and a comparison of his production to that of Ramonce Taylor?

[dragonfootballfan]

Texas has the #2 run offense, but I don't think they have even one person in the top 40 of rushing yards. That is amazing, I wonder if this has ever happened before?

[bowiedawgs01]

The use of exclamation points in this thread is sickening. Please stop. I'm sure y'all don't normally talk like that, or at least I hope not.

[Primetime536]

The Ramonce vs. Reggie debate is starting to turn interesting because the Texas coaches are just now starting to utilize Ramonce the way USC uses Bush (that or the emergence of Quan Cosby has allowed the coaches to use Ramonce more at his natural position... RB). We can uses his averages to see what kind of numbers Ramonce would put up if he saw the same kind of touches Reggie does.

Reggie Bush has 140 carries on the season. If Ramonce Taylor had 140 carries, he would have 1162 rushing yards based on his 8.3 yard per carry average. He would also have 29 TDs based on the fact that he scores a TD every 4.8 carries.

Both guys are almost dead even in the receiving dept.

Ramonce is also averaging 28 yards per kick return compared to the 16.3 yards Bush is averaging.
There is no debate, reggie bush is soo much better. How could you compare stats between reggie bush, a player who defenses gameplan around and is in the top two most explosive players in CF, TO A BACK UP. Yes RT is good, hes very good. But come on are we seriously comparing him to Reggie bush?

Quote:
Reggie Bush: 247 total yards and 1 TD

Ramonce Taylor: 267 yards and 6 TDs
again, why would this matter. Do these stats mean RT is better than Bush, HELL NO, not even in the last two games has RT been better. Think about it who has RT played? Kansas and another srub team

[GTown02]

There is no debate, reggie bush is soo much better. How could you compare stats between reggie bush, a player who defenses gameplan around and is in the top two most explosive players in CF, TO A BACK UP. Yes RT is good, hes very good. But come on are we seriously comparing him to Reggie bush?

Quote:
Reggie Bush: 247 total yards and 1 TD

Ramonce Taylor: 267 yards and 6 TDs
again, why would this matter. Do these stats mean RT is better than Bush, HELL NO, not even in the last two games has RT been better. Think about it who has RT played? Kansas and another srub team
That Kansas team had the #1 Rushing Defense. If RT had the ammount of carries that Bush has had, he could put up similar numbers. They have only been giving him a lot of carries the last 2 or 3 games.

Bush may be a more exciting back, but RT IS the better punt returner and could put up similar numbers givin the carries...

[jtk1519]

There is no debate, reggie bush is soo much better. How could you compare stats between reggie bush, a player who defenses gameplan around and is in the top two most explosive players in CF, TO A BACK UP. Yes RT is good, hes very good. But come on are we seriously comparing him to Reggie bush?

There is no way to possibly say he's not as good as Reggie. You can't say that because Ramonce doesn’t get near the touches Reggie does. This goes back to what I said earlier about how Texas spreads the ball around so muc, between so many different players... far more than USC.


Fact: In 2005, Bush is averaging over 20 touches per game

Fact: In 2005, Ramonce is averaging under 8 touches per game

Fact: In 2004, Bush averaged over 17 touches per game

Fact: In 2004, Ramonce averaged 4 touches per game

So, how in the world can anybody say Ramonce is not as good as Bush? What factual data supports such a claim? This is the only data I see that we can use to base such a comparison and it proves beyond a resonable doubt what Texas fans have been saying about Ramonce all along...

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Bush is averaging 7.1 yards per carry

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Ramonce is averaging 9.2 yards per carry

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Bush is averaging 11.5 yards per catch

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Ramonce is averaging 16.1 yards per catch

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Bush is averaging 20.9 yards per kick return

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Ramonce is averaging 25.8 yards per kick return

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Bush has scored a TD every 14.4 touches

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Ramonce has scored a TD every 9.3 touches


But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument.

[Primetime536]

There is no way to possibly say he's not as good as Reggie. You can't say that because Ramonce doesn’t get near the touches Reggie does. This goes back to what I said earlier about how Texas spreads the ball around so muc, between so many different players... far more than USC.


Fact: In 2005, Bush is averaging over 20 touches per game

Fact: In 2005, Ramonce is averaging under 8 touches per game

Fact: In 2004, Bush averaged over 17 touches per game

Fact: In 2004, Ramonce averaged 4 touches per game

So, how in the world can anybody say Ramonce is not as good as Bush? What factual data supports such a claim? This is the only data I see that we can use to base such a comparison and it proves beyond a resonable doubt what Texas fans have been saying about Ramonce all along...

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Bush is averaging 7.1 yards per carry

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Ramonce is averaging 9.2 yards per carry

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Bush is averaging 11.5 yards per catch

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Ramonce is averaging 16.1 yards per catch

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Bush is averaging 20.9 yards per kick return

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Ramonce is averaging 25.8 yards per kick return

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Bush has scored a TD every 14.4 touches

Fact: Over the past 2 years, Ramonce has scored a TD every 9.3 touches


But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument.
ok, that still doesnt matter.

OK, im sure there was once a wr who caught one ball for a 50 yard td and never saw the field again. does that mean hes the best WR to ever play CF? NOO

Its all about consistency, RT comes in 100%, hes never tired. When he comes in hes not the focus of the defense.

When reggie bush comes in, he has a big bulls eye on his back, hes always watched. RB opponents game plan just to just him, hes that dominate.

If RT is just as good as reggie bush why doesnt he start? Surely reggie bush would start on UT,, RIGHT?

Hmm, when i think about it, if Reggie bush was just an average player, like RT, why is he on SI all the time? Why is he a heisman candidate? why is he considered the most explosive player in college football?

Whats RT best at? Recieving? Bush is way better at that...Running? Bush is only the best RB in the nation,,,unless your going to tell me RT is.

If Reggie bush only touched the ball 8 times a game how many yards per touch would he have? 20? Yeah i dont know this for sure, but do you know how good RT would be if he carried a larger load?

Yea, Bush doesnt score as much per touch, but doesnt he have L.White, perhaps the best power back in the nation to take the load around the goal line.


I find it rediculous anyone can argue against Reggies dominance, he really is amazing

[FootballJunkie]

The reason they argue against him is because he is not from TEXAS!! Have you not figured that out yet. :D

[wide-e-wide]

The reason they argue against him is because he is not from TEXAS!! Have you not figured that out yet. :D

ummm...no

The numbers do a pretty good job of making the argument pointless....

[GTown02]

How does that not matter? IF RT had the same ammount of touches per game that Reggie Bush has, he could put up the same kind of numbers. Reggie is the focus of the offense so he gets twice as many carries per game, unlike RT who is just a small piece of it and gets a small precent of carries. The stats tell it all, but I guess that doesnt mean much right?...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

ummm...no

The numbers do a pretty good job of making the argument pointless....

There you go bro!!! That's the smartest freakin' comment yet!!!! ;)

[FootballJunkie]

ummm...no

The numbers do a pretty good job of making the argument pointless....

I will agree to disagree with you as usual ;)

[jtk1519]

Reggie is spectacular. I don't think anybody wants to take that away from him. However, he is not the second coming of LT that everybody is trying to make him out to be. Quit watching the ESPN hype machine for a few minutes and start to compare Bush to other players around the country. Don't get wowed by the 3 great plays you see on Sportscenter. Develop a mind of your own and see that Bush is very special... as are Maurice Drew, Brian Calhoun, DeAngelo Williams, Jerome Harrison and on and on and on.

Personally, I'm not trying to say Ramonce is better than or even equal to Bush. What I am trying to point out is how stupid people are for dismissing the fact that it is possible. There is nothing you can do, nothing you can say or show us that can in anyway prove Ramonce isn’t as good as Bush. It's almost impossible to compare the two when you see how they have been used which makes it so humorous when people say there is no way Ramonce can be as good. It's quite baffling how ignorant some people can be.

Keep the blinders on if you will. Ignore the rest of the nation and keep those condom glasses on. Just realize that you are missing a lot of special players that can do some very special things. Your loss really. Enjoy.

[Primetime536]

ummm...no

The numbers do a pretty good job of making the argument pointless....
read my post,

how do you know RT would have the same stats, he would be fatigued and he would be gameplanned around if he started

If RT is just as good as RB why doesnt he start, RB would start on UT easily.

[jtk1519]

read my post,

how do you know RT would have the same stats, he would be fatigued and he would be gameplanned around if he started

If RT is just as good as RB why doesnt he start, RB would start on UT easily.

How do you know Bush wouldnt be relegated to the same duties Ramonce has at Texas? How do you know that Bush wouldnt be splitting time with Jamaal Charles and then giving way to Hank the Tank on short yardage situations? You don't know. It's all speculation and it can go both ways.

If Bush is so great, how come he can't beat out LenDale White? Why do the two split carries? Do the coaches not think Bush can handle the load? Why not have him out there for evey play?

Maybe it's possible the USC coaches see the benefit of having two great Rbs and roatating them in and out. That would be smart and make the offense even more dangerous. However, I'm sure the Texas coaches arent thinking the same thing when they see their multitude of backs. No... at USC, it's brilliant coaching and smart gameplanning. At Texas, it's because Ramonce isnt good enough to get all the carries. Kinda funny how that works, isnt it.

[BigWhiteJake]

hahahaha o this is just too much, now we are justifying talent based on who SI puts on their cover? good lord, now that boston lifted the bambino off their backs the SI cover is the worst curse in sports. so since this guy rates people based on magazine covers i guess he would take the tandom of chris leak and ted ginn over VY and mike haas...
There is no question Texas has a better team top to bottom. Ramonce as clocked as a 4.23 on his 40 (Dave Campbells) so if he isnt better than bush hes sure as hell faster. and how can u ever refer to last year...ramonce was playing behind this benson fellow, you might remember him from the doak walker ceremony...for some reason the media is all into reggie bush, and that home run analogy was the best thing i have heard so far. I'll tell you this, if bush had been at UT last year he wouldnt have gotten many touches at all...

[jtk1519]

Some people just refuse to believe the obvious, but if Bush were at Texas, he may lead the team in carries, but he would still be splitting time with several other backs. He would be in the same situation he is at USC... part of a rotation of great RBs.

What Texas does with their RBs and what USC is with theirs IS NO DIFFERENT AT ALL. Texas just has more guys to throw out there, which means fresher legs and more production. Don't think for one second that Carroll wouldnt do the exact same thing if he had a multitude of RBs to chose from.

[dragonfootballfan]

Primetime who do you think should have won the Heisman last year?

[Primetime536]

hahahaha o this is just too much, now we are justifying talent based on who SI puts on their cover? good lord, now that boston lifted the bambino off their backs the SI cover is the worst curse in sports. so since this guy rates people based on magazine covers i guess he would take the tandom of chris leak and ted ginn over VY and mike haas...
There is no question Texas has a better team top to bottom. Ramonce as clocked as a 4.23 on his 40 (Dave Campbells) so if he isnt better than bush hes sure as hell faster. and how can u ever refer to last year...ramonce was playing behind this benson fellow, you might remember him from the doak walker ceremony...for some reason the media is all into reggie bush, and that home run analogy was the best thing i have heard so far. I'll tell you this, if bush had been at UT last year he wouldnt have gotten many touches at all...
I was simply saying why isnt RT on si if hes so good. Your such an idot. How can you say there is no quetion who the better team is. Your post lost all creditability when you said that. Usc is the same team who is the 2 time defending national champs, same team on a 31 game win streak..

If reggie bush played for UT last year he would of gotten 13 touches a game.

Ok, now for the third time i ask,,,,,Why doesnt RT START on UT, Bush would start on UT for sure,,,please dont compare a heisman canididate to someone who doesnt even start, hell dont compare him to a 3rd stringer at that.

Ut fans are so patheticlly biased. Are you so blinded for your love of UT that you cant see how explosive bush is. The BWjake is such an idiot, the fool has already marked out usc.

USC is arguablly one of the best teams of ALLTIME. They are easily have more talent than texas. Please take off that blind fold and see the truth, you moron. RT isnt even close to Reggies level. Untill RT is top 5 in the heisman two years in a row, hel l untill he starts lets drop this.

[dragonfootballfan]

I was simply saying why isnt RT on si if hes so good. Your such an idot. How can you say there is no quetion who the better team is. Your post lost all creditability when you said that. Usc is the same team who is the 2 time defending national champs, same team on a 31 game win streak..

If reggie bush played for UT last year he would of gotten 13 touches a game.

Ok, now for the third time i ask,,,,,Why doesnt RT START on UT, Bush would start on UT for sure,,,please dont compare a heisman canididate to someone who doesnt even start, hell dont compare him to a 3rd stringer at that.

Ut fans are so patheticlly biased. Are you so blinded for your love of UT that you cant see how explosive bush is. The BWjake is such an idiot, the fool has already marked out usc.

USC is arguablly one of the best teams of ALLTIME. They are easily have more talent than texas. Please take off that blind fold and see the truth, you moron. RT isnt even close to Reggies level. Untill RT is top 5 in the heisman two years in a row, hel l untill he starts lets drop this.
Ramonce Taylor starts at Kick Returner and also either at runningback or receiver and he has all year

[Primetime536]

Primetime who do you think should have won the Heisman last year?
Jason White or Matt L.

at the time i would of said Jason White, but i guese they got it right.

[Primetime536]

Ramonce Taylor starts at Kick Returner and also either at runningback or receiver and he has all year
jamal charles starts

sweed and pittmen start, thomas plays wide if 3 wide outs

[dragonfootballfan]

jamal charles starts

sweed and pittmen start, thomas plays wide if 3 wide outs
Texas does not use a fullback but three wideouts and against Baylor and Kansas he starts at runningback.

[Primetime536]

Some people just refuse to believe the obvious, but if Bush were at Texas, he may lead the team in carries, but he would still be splitting time with several other backs. He would be in the same situation he is at USC... part of a rotation of great RBs.

What Texas does with their RBs and what USC is with theirs IS NO DIFFERENT AT ALL. Texas just has more guys to throw out there, which means fresher legs and more production. Don't think for one second that Carroll wouldnt do the exact same thing if he had a multitude of RBs to chose from.
I really dont think he would, in-fact i know he wouldnt. Usc 3rd back is the real deal, he would start on alot of teams, and would def. be in the rotation at UT.

[dragonfootballfan]

Jason White or Matt L.

at the time i would of said Jason White, but i guese they got it right.
but neither of those guys had the bullseye on their back last year. Shouldn't the only offensive threat that defenses have to gameplan on should have won the heisman. I mean last year on Texas Cedric Benson was the only offensive threat that they had. He still was able to lead the NCAA in scoring and rack up over 1800 yards. Neither of those guys had the bullseye on their back. I mean the bullseye was on Reggie Bush or Adrian Peterson

[Primetime536]

Texas does not use a fullback but three wideouts and against Baylor and Kansas he starts at runningback.
thats still so stupid, i dont care if the guy starts or not....If Bush was at UT he would carry 50% of the load..

my arguement is pointless, UT fans are so stubborn, you think every player on UT is the best in the nation

[dragonfootballfan]

thats still so stupid, i dont care if the guy starts or not....If Bush was at UT he would carry 50% of the load..

my arguement is pointless, UT fans are so stubborn, you think every player on UT is the best in the nation
you said that Ramonce Taylor does not start and were using that against him. Now that I show you that he does start you are saying that it doesn't matter. You cannot have it both ways

[Primetime536]

but neither of those guys had the bullseye on their back last year. Shouldn't the only offensive threat that defenses have to gameplan on should have won the heisman. I mean last year on Texas Cedric Benson was the only offensive threat that they had. He still was able to lead the NCAA in scoring and rack up over 1800 yards. Neither of those guys had the bullseye on their back. I mean the bullseye was on Reggie Bush or Adrian Peterson
well yea i agree, your right,


i agree benson was the most dominating player in College football last year, it was amazing how he was able to run the ball with 8 men in the box all the time.....i just would take ML or JW because at the time on the heisman votings they had lead their teams the farthest.

[dragonfootballfan]

well yea i agree, your right,


i agree benson was the most dominating player in College football last year, it was amazing how he was able to run the ball with 8 men in the box all the time.....i just would take ML or JW because at the time on the heisman votings they had lead their teams the farthest.
so your bullseye theory only has merit if your team wins all of their games?

[Primetime536]

you said that Ramonce Taylor does not start and were using that against him. Now that I show you that he does start you are saying that it doesn't matter. You cannot have it both ways
OK, he starts as the 3rd wr. The only reason why he started the last few weeks is because charles has been limited because of injury. Why would UT risk JCs heath on games that dont even matter, well they matter but everyone knew UT would win..

[Primetime536]

so your bullseye theory only has merit if your team wins all of their games?
what the hell are you talking about?

Ok, if i said anything other then this im sorry, i made a mistake.

04s players with bulleye

Jason White
Cedric Benson
Bush

[dragonfootballfan]

OK, he starts as the 3rd wr. The only reason why he started the last few weeks is because charles has been limited because of injury. Why would UT risk JCs heath on games that dont even matter, well they matter but everyone knew UT would win..
I was just disproving one of your arguments, which was one of the last ones to be disproved. After that you said it doesn't matter. Now it does matter. Can you make up your mind? Now I understand why you think that Bush is the best player in college football. You will agree with whatever ESPN tells you.

[Primetime536]

I was just disproving one of your arguments, which was one of the last ones to be disproved. After that you said it doesn't matter. Now it does matter. Can you make up your mind? Now I understand why you think that Bush is the best player in college football. You will agree with whatever ESPN tells you.
I agree with espn? NO, not even close. Turn on espn and ull see that espn will say VY is the best player in college football.

It matters iff
A rb STARTS at least 40% of load
Starts at WR at least #3 target

[Primetime536]

Ok

Im an aTm fan

Reggie McNeil is better than VY

If reggie had the team VY had he would be better.

[wide-e-wide]

Ok

Im an aTm fan

Reggie McNeil is better than VY

If reggie had the team VY had he would be better.

Who is aTm?

[jtk1519]

Ramonce started the season as a starting WR. As I recall, the first depth charts had Ramonce as the starting flanker with Sweed as the starting SE and Pittman starting in that Sub-B position. When Jamaal and Selvin went down, Ramonce was moved to starting TB where he still remains. Ramonce has been on the field almost every meaningful down of the year, and as best I can recall, he has never left the starting line-up.

To say that Bush would get 50% of the carries at Texas is beyond ludicrous. He doesn’t even get 50% of the carries where he is at now. Hell, Cedric Benson only got 53% of the carries last year. To say that Bush would get 50% of the carries is so far beyond absurd that it almost warrants voiding all of that posters comments, both now and in the future. That is like aggy stupid.

[Primetime536]

Who is aTm?
Umm. im not sure, but i thinks its a school called Texas a&m. I think its near Bryan,,,,,smarts ***

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Umm. im not sure, but i thinks its a school called Texas a&m. I think its near Bryan,,,,,smarts ***


oooooh...you mean aggy...now I get it.

[Primetime536]

Ramonce started the season as a starting WR. As I recall, the first depth charts had Ramonce as the starting flanker with Sweed as the starting SE and Pittman starting in that Sub-B position. When Jamaal and Selvin went down, Ramonce was moved to starting TB where he still remains. Ramonce has been on the field almost every meaningful down of the year, and as best I can recall, he has never left the starting line-up.

To say that Bush would get 50% of the carries at Texas is beyond ludicrous. He doesn’t even get 50% of the carries where he is at now. Hell, Cedric Benson only got 53% of the carries last year. To say that Bush would get 50% of the carries is so far beyond absurd that it almost warrants voiding all of that posters comments, both now and in the future. That is like aggy stupid.
Ok, how is it stupid, Reggie bush is amazing. His back up is L.White, who is a first round draft pic next year. Reggie would get around 45% of the carries at UT i bet, not 50%

[wide-e-wide]

Ok, how is it stupid, Reggie bush is amazing. His back up is L.White, who is a first round draft pic next year. Reggie would get around 45% of the carries at UT i bet, not 50%


Lendale White is going in the first round?

Dude....stop it!
Surely you can't be serious....

[Primetime536]

Lendale White is going in the first round?

Dude....stop it!
Surely you can't be serious....
Why not?

RT is better than Reggie bush

Dude....stop it!

lets come up with a few more rediculous claims, like hmm..McNeil is better than VY,,,uhhhh.....Colorado will beat UT......one more....hmmm....Matt L. is right handed..

[jtk1519]

Ok, how is it stupid, Reggie bush is amazing. His back up is L.White, who is a first round draft pic next year. Reggie would get around 45% of the carries at UT i bet, not 50%

Oh, so we're contradicting ourselves now. Just a few posts up you said...

If Bush was at UT he would carry 50% of the load

His carries have already dropped 5% points in just a few minutes. Maybe in an hour you'll be able to join the rest of us here in reality.

What you apparently don't comprehend is just how much Texas runs the ball. Any RB that carried 45% of the balls for Texas would have 212 carries right now which would put them in the top 10 in the nation. However none of those other RBs in the top 10 have to split carries with Vince Young. When you figure Vince into the equation, you quickly see how amazing stupid it is to think any one back is going to get 45% of the carries with so many other guys on the sideline. Reggie may be able to carry that load, but what coach in his right mind would do such a thing. Any coach with half an IQ would give a good deal of carries to a Ramonce or Jamaal just to keep Reggie fresh. It would be beyond stupid otherwise.

Bush would probably lead the team in carries with about 35% of the load at most. The way the Texas offense is run, whoever the primary RB is, is going to have right about the same number of carries as Vince making it virtually impossible for any one back to carry 45% of the load. Again, this is just aggy stupid.

[dragonfootballfan]

You are going to have give more factual evidence than what you are giving to prove a point. Simply saying so and so would start on Team A is not enough to say that they are better than another team. While jtk has given you some factual evidence you are saying that someone is better because you think they are. I know there are statistics out there that could help you prove your point.

[jtk1519]

I have a confession to make. I have been messing with you guys this whole time. All the stuff I have said, all the cold, hard statistical facts I have posted... all pure BS. Texas sucks and that suck extends to Ramonce who is nothing more than a product of ridiculous media hype and the glamour clips shown constantly on ESPN.

Bottom line is that Texas is loaded with average backs who would have trouble starting for Sam Houston State. I mean, seriously... why in the world would so many different guys carry the rock for Texas if they actually had one decent player? Jamaal Charles talks like he is the product of a one night stand between Forrest Gump and Aunt Jemima. Selvin Young would get his *** whipped by a cricket and then be out for two months with an ankle injury. Vince has "jiggle joints" (whatever the hell that means) and Melton... well, he's just fat. He's on the "Mad dog" Madden buffet plan.

Ramonce is a joke. Dude doesn’t even know what position he plays. He just roams aimlessly around the field hoping somebody will tell him what they hell is going on. He couldn’t out-run a one legged midget and he moves like he has a softball stuck in his butt hole.

Oh, and Vince throws like a girl.

There I have come clean. The haters win. I bow before the awesome power of your flavor of the week team.

[Primetime536]

Oh, so we're contradicting ourselves now. Just a few posts up you said...



His carries have already dropped 5% points in just a few minutes. Maybe in an hour you'll be able to join the rest of us here in reality.

What you apparently don't comprehend is just how much Texas runs the ball. Any RB that carried 45% of the balls for Texas would have 212 carries right now which would put them in the top 10 in the nation. However none of those other RBs in the top 10 have to split carries with Vince Young. When you figure Vince into the equation, you quickly see how amazing stupid it is to think any one back is going to get 45% of the carries with so many other guys on the sideline. Reggie may be able to carry that load, but what coach in his right mind would do such a thing. Any coach with half an IQ would give a good deal of carries to a Ramonce or Jamaal just to keep Reggie fresh. It would be beyond stupid otherwise.

Bush would probably lead the team in carries with about 35% of the load at most. The way the Texas offense is run, whoever the primary RB is, is going to have right about the same number of carries as Vince making it virtually impossible for any one back to carry 45% of the load. Again, this is just aggy stupid.
Yea, your right, ididnt relize how much UT runs the ball

However your aggy stupid by even arguing that RT is better that RB

[Primetime536]

You are going to have give more factual evidence than what you are giving to prove a point. Simply saying so and so would start on Team A is not enough to say that they are better than another team. While jtk has given you some factual evidence you are saying that someone is better because you think they are. I know there are statistics out there that could help you prove your point.
OK, fair enough, i dont know if RB would start on UT,,,,,But how do you if RT would be good if he carried a huge load?

You dont, its all speculation....

[jtk1519]

However your aggy stupid by even arguing that RT is better that RB

I'm stunned. Even after saying it severals times on this very thread, you still don't get the fact that I was never trying to say he is better. I can't believe you just typed that.

[jtk1519]

OK, fair enough, i dont know if RB would start on UT,,,,,But how do you if RT would be good if he carried a huge load?

You dont, its all speculation....

He wouldn’t do well at all... that's why he doesn’t carry the load. In this offense, you have to be a Cedric Benson type bruiser to carry the load and even then you need a lot of help.

Ramonce doesn’t carry the load for the same reason that Bush doesn’t carry the load. You don't ask a 6'0 200 RB to carry the load in an offense that runs a lot. That is why USC uses White so much and that is why Texas mixes it up so much. Ramonce and Reggie aren’t the tough bruisers that can carry the ball 250+ times in a power offense. They need help. Mack and Carroll have been smart enough to surround them with help. Just another, in a very long line of reasons, that Reggie would never carry the ball 50% or 45% of the time at Texas.

BTW, Texas is DOOOMED!

[wide-e-wide]

I have a confession to make. I have been messing with you guys this whole time. All the stuff I have said, all the cold, hard statistical facts I have posted... all pure BS. Texas sucks and that suck extends to Ramonce who is nothing more than a product of ridiculous media hype and the glamour clips shown constantly on ESPN.

Bottom line is that Texas is loaded with average backs who would have trouble starting for Sam Houston State. I mean, seriously... why in the world would so many different guys carry the rock for Texas if they actually had one decent player? Jamaal Charles talks like he is the product of a one night stand between Forrest Gump and Aunt Jemima. Selvin Young would get his *** whipped by a cricket and then be out for two months with an ankle injury. Vince has "jiggle joints" (whatever the hell that means) and Melton... well, he's just fat. He's on the "Mad dog" Madden buffet plan.

Ramonce is a joke. Dude doesn’t even know what position he plays. He just roams aimlessly around the field hoping somebody will tell him what they hell is going on. He couldn’t out-run a one legged midget and he moves like he has a softball stuck in his butt hole.

Oh, and Vince throws like a girl.

There I have come clean. The haters win. I bow before the awesome power of your flavor of the week team.

You forgot...Rod Wright is actually a woman...Aaron Harris is overrated...David Thomas was in the band in HS...Limas Sweed's real name is actually "Linus" and he carries a security blanket with him all over campus...Brian Robison is actually Billy Ray Cyrus' love-child...
and Vince isn't really Superman...he loves kryptonite...

[jtk1519]

You forgot...Rod Wright is actually a woman...Aaron Harris is overrated...David Thomas was in the band in HS...Limas Sweed's real name is actually "Linus" and he carries a security blanket with him all over campus...Brian Robison is actually Billy Ray Cyrus' love-child...
and Vince isn't really Superman...he loves kryptonite...

I've seen Sweed and his blankie. It's really kinda cute. I think Will Allen does ballet too. What a bunch of losers.

Mack Brown hates puppies and Jesus.

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I've seen Sweed and his blankie. It's really kinda cute. I think Will Allen does ballet too. What a bunch of losers.

Mack Brown hates puppies and Jesus.


Mack eats Little Debbie oatmeal cream pies and doesn't share with the other coaches.

[jtk1519]

Mack eats Little Debbie oatmeal cream pies and doesn't share with the other coaches.

Somthing tells me this guy...

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/image_lib/madden_jeff_mug_148.jpg

...is gonna get the Little Debbie if he wants it.

[wide-e-wide]

Somthing tells me this guy...

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/image_lib/madden_jeff_mug_148.jpg

...is gonna get the Little Debbie if he wants it.

bwhahahahahahahahahaha!

[Texasfrog]

Yea, your right, ididnt relize how much UT runs the ball

However your aggy stupid by even arguing that RT is better that RB

Ramonce Taylor might be just as good as Reggie Bush. The only thing Reggie Bush really has on Ramonce Taylor is the West Coast Press core pumping him up to being the second coming of Christ.

RT is just as versatile an athlete on the football field as Bush is...

JTK1519.. double check my stats...

10 games played..

Reggie Bush:
Rushing- 140 car - 1104 yds - 11 tds (7.9 avg)
Rec - 28 rec - 315 yds - 2 tds (11.3 avg)
KR - 15 - 244 yds - 0 tds (16 avg)
PR - 16 - 162 yds - 1 tds

Ramonce Taylor:

Rushing - 43 car - 358 yds - 9 tds (8.3 avg)
Rec - 24 rec - 259 yds - 3 tds (10.8 avg)
KR - 11 - 308 yds - 0 tds (28 avg)

Looking at the stats. I would say that Ramonce Taylor is everything that Reggie Bush is.... Bush has about 3 times as many touches with the ball but Ramonce Taylor's average yards per touch is just as good and mostly better than Reggie Bush's.

[Mad Hatter]

ok so here is what the numbers would be if romance got the rock as much as Reggie (The Reincarnation of Christ and the savior of California) Bush.

140 carries puts taylor at 1162 yards rushing.

hed have about 300 receiving yards along with 400 return yards. hmm looks like bush has a twin and he aint from nazareth hes from austin :)


oh and im sick of hearing about leinart he plays almost all his his games all the way through, vince is luky if mack lets him see the feild in the second half if vince played all the way through every game his numbers would be ridiculous.

[wide-e-wide]

If the Longhorns ran up the score (which has been stated by at least one brainless wonder) Vince's stats would be ridiculous.

[jtk1519]

Guys, please don't brink stats to a football argument. That is so weak and just cries of desperation.

[wide-e-wide]

Guys, please don't brink stats to a football argument. That is so weak and just cries of desperation.


You are absolutely right jtk...

We should go off of who has the prettiest shoes...or cape...it's up to you...

[jtk1519]

Reggie Bush is soooooo pertty. He runs like a tiger on acid.

[dragonfootballfan]

Reggie Bush has 14 touchdowns
Ramonce Taylor has 12 touchdowns

Reggie Bush has 128 more touches

but Reggie Bush is a Gazzelle plus a seabass on steroids

[dragons08]

Guys, please don't brink stats to a football argument. That is so weak and just cries of desperation.
can we bring stats? as long as we dont brink them?

[jtk1519]

can we bring stats? as long as we dont brink them?

Don't brink that mess in hur sucka.

[HOOKEM]

It would be funny to see all of you guys in a "rockem sockem robots"tourney.

[GTown02]

It would be funny to see all of you guys in a "rockem sockem robots"tourney.
Im the champ at rockem sockem robots! Maybe a hungry hungry hippo's tourny is in order! ;)

[BigWhiteJake]

Sorry I have been gone a day or two so my post is delayed...
PrimeTime536, your posts are worse than Kirk Herbstreit's preview predictions, your just like rolling out things you hear guys say on sports center. Bush is the LA baby on a team that won the last two national championships, who just happens to live in Hollywood and make the occassional amazing play. TEXAS IS A FAR BETTER TEAM THAN SOUTHERN CAL. Whether they will win or not, only time will tell, plus the national championship is literally a home game for USC. I'll just assume you know numbers and that you are already aware of how much better Texas' defense is. How they manhandled the Tech offense, stopped Brad Smith, held Ohio State to 250 yards in the 'shoe, etc... So then in comparing the teams your argument must be that the Southern Cal offense is just THAT MUCH BETTER than the UT offense. Problem is, they aren't...at all...as a matter of fact VY has a higher pass eff than Matt Leinart, and people say Vince can't throw as an argument against Texas? Yeah it perplexes me too...now combine the second most efficient passer in the country (behind Brian Brohm) with the best rushing attack on any relevant team, and you have a basically unstoppable offense. Texas won convincingly twice without either top 2 running backs getting signifigant PT. Could Southern Cal do that? No. Limas Sweed went out, his replacement (Cosby) came in and caught 3 catches plus a TD, if JArrett goes down they hurt more. Texas has the best offensive line in the country, and the best defensive secondary, the second best defensive line, and the most exciting player in the country at QB. Im not writing anyone off, but Southern Cal will have to catch breaks to win this game, it is clear they are not the caliber of team they were last year, dont forget, the ND game was one of the LUCKIEST wins in the history of college football.

[Primetime536]

Sorry I have been gone a day or two so my post is delayed...
PrimeTime536, your posts are worse than Kirk Herbstreit's preview predictions, your just like rolling out things you hear guys say on sports center. Bush is the LA baby on a team that won the last two national championships, who just happens to live in Hollywood and make the occassional amazing play. TEXAS IS A FAR BETTER TEAM THAN SOUTHERN CAL. Whether they will win or not, only time will tell, plus the national championship is literally a home game for USC. I'll just assume you know numbers and that you are already aware of how much better Texas' defense is. How they manhandled the Tech offense, stopped Brad Smith, held Ohio State to 250 yards in the 'shoe, etc... So then in comparing the teams your argument must be that the Southern Cal offense is just THAT MUCH BETTER than the UT offense. Problem is, they aren't...at all...as a matter of fact VY has a higher pass eff than Matt Leinart, and people say Vince can't throw as an argument against Texas? Yeah it perplexes me too...now combine the second most efficient passer in the country (behind Brian Brohm) with the best rushing attack on any relevant team, and you have a basically unstoppable offense. Texas won convincingly twice without either top 2 running backs getting signifigant PT. Could Southern Cal do that? No. Limas Sweed went out, his replacement (Cosby) came in and caught 3 catches plus a TD, if JArrett goes down they hurt more. Texas has the best offensive line in the country, and the best defensive secondary, the second best defensive line, and the most exciting player in the country at QB. Im not writing anyone off, but Southern Cal will have to catch breaks to win this game, it is clear they are not the caliber of team they were last year, dont forget, the ND game was one of the LUCKIEST wins in the history of college football.
You read all the post in this thread and you say my posts are stupid? Haa,what are you going to say next RT is better than RB.

How can you say USCs gunna have to catch a break to win? You do relize this is the most dominating teams in the last decade. Usc, like texas, has great depth. 2 RBs over 1000 yards, 2 Wr over 1000 yards. Man that offese seems average, :rolleyes:.......UT still hasnt knocked off the champs and they are still the 2nd team in the nation untill USC losses. I think people such as yourself forget that USC is on a 31 game win streak. The USC players have seen it all, close game, blow outs, national championship games, everything. USCs experience is such an advantage. USCs upperclassmen have played in two game with at least a share of the national championship on the line. Oh, and last i looked they played pritty decent in those games.

Bottom line, if USC still has reggie bush, matt leinart, steve smith, lindell white,darnell bing, dawayne jarret, and pete carrol on the sideline they will at least have a 50% chance of winning any game. Just like UT when they have that offense intact.

This game right now is really up in the air, i would put the odds at 50-50

[wide-e-wide]

This game right now is really up in the air, i would put the odds at 50-50

Technically...every game ever played has been 50-50...either your team is gonna win...or they are gonna lose..

[Primetime536]

Technically...every game ever played has been 50-50...either your team is gonna win...or they are gonna lose..
Naww, i dont care about being Technical

[BigWhiteJake]

That 31 game winning streak was broken at South Bend, for crying out loud they had 3 bad calls in their favor in the last 5 seconds of the game, the ball was even placed wrong, BLATANTLY wrong. Notre Dame is not one of the 5 best offensive teams in the country, and their offense looked electric versus Southern Cal. The winning streaks going back over the seasons are completely moot as to the result of that game, hell Mike Williams was playing there when that streak started. Everyone knows Southern Cal should have gotten an L at South Bend, and I'm sure wide and jtk (who both know more than us) will back that up. RT is not better than RB, but VY sure is. This is pointless though, you have your opinion and I have mine, so lets make a deal, both teams still have two games before the Rose bowl and though USC's are tougher, they should both win. (Texas just happens to play its tougher games earlier) So heres my deal, if they both meet, or one team fails to make it...if Texas doesn't win the national title and USC does I'll just leave the whole site forever and never post again, cause that just wont happen so o well, but if and when Texas wins and USC either loses to UT or doesnt make the game you have to change your s/n to BigWhiteJakesBabyMama or some derivitive of that...so come on put your pride where your mouth is because Southern Cal will not beat Texas...if only DaProphet were here

[wide-e-wide]

That 31 game winning streak was broken at South Bend, for crying out loud they had 3 bad calls in their favor in the last 5 seconds of the game, the ball was even placed wrong, BLATANTLY wrong. Notre Dame is not one of the 5 best offensive teams in the country, and their offense looked electric versus Southern Cal. The winning streaks going back over the seasons are completely moot as to the result of that game, hell Mike Williams was playing there when that streak started. Everyone knows Southern Cal should have gotten an L at South Bend, and I'm sure wide and jtk (who both know more than us) will back that up. RT is not better than RB, but VY sure is. This is pointless though, you have your opinion and I have mine, so lets make a deal, both teams still have two games before the Rose bowl and though USC's are tougher, they should both win. (Texas just happens to play its tougher games earlier) So heres my deal, if they both meet, or one team fails to make it...if Texas doesn't win the national title and USC does I'll just leave the whole site forever and never post again, cause that just wont happen so o well, but if and when Texas wins and USC either loses to UT or doesnt make the game you have to change your s/n to BigWhiteJakesBabyMama or some derivitive of that...so come on put your pride where your mouth is because Southern Cal will not beat Texas...if only DaProphet were here


A-HA...NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE....

[BigWhiteJake]

lol hey man, i figure its alright for you to know since we are probably one and two in most times banned, alls well though, i met chris ogbonnaya at the strake game last night and hes one of the nicest guys youll ever talk to. my strake hatred is officially revoked, however aggy hatred runs rampant thru my blood, hope u dont mind me borrowing your bet wide

[wide-e-wide]

lol hey man, i figure its alright for you to know since we are probably one and two in most times banned, alls well though, i met chris ogbonnaya at the strake game last night and hes one of the nicest guys youll ever talk to. my strake hatred is officially revoked, however aggy hatred runs rampant thru my blood, hope u dont mind me borrowing your bet wide


what bet is that?
I'm lost...
Good to have you back though...Mr. Whatever your name is.... ;)

[BigArab]

Call me crazy, but I think Texas is going to get massacred by USC.

You can crucify my now.

[jtk1519]

Call me crazy, but I think Texas is going to get massacred by USC.

You can crucify my now.

USC is losing to Fresno State 21-13 at halftime. I'm sure USC will turn around and win this, but come on... massacre?

[Primetime536]

That 31 game winning streak was broken at South Bend, for crying out loud they had 3 bad calls in their favor in the last 5 seconds of the game, the ball was even placed wrong, BLATANTLY wrong. Notre Dame is not one of the 5 best offensive teams in the country, and their offense looked electric versus Southern Cal. The winning streaks going back over the seasons are completely moot as to the result of that game, hell Mike Williams was playing there when that streak started. Everyone knows Southern Cal should have gotten an L at South Bend, and I'm sure wide and jtk (who both know more than us) will back that up. RT is not better than RB, but VY sure is. This is pointless though, you have your opinion and I have mine, so lets make a deal, both teams still have two games before the Rose bowl and though USC's are tougher, they should both win. (Texas just happens to play its tougher games earlier) So heres my deal, if they both meet, or one team fails to make it...if Texas doesn't win the national title and USC does I'll just leave the whole site forever and never post again, cause that just wont happen so o well, but if and when Texas wins and USC either loses to UT or doesnt make the game you have to change your s/n to BigWhiteJakesBabyMama or some derivitive of that...so come on put your pride where your mouth is because Southern Cal will not beat Texas...if only DaProphet were here
Naw, the 31 game win streak is still intact.......Texas shoulda ended in OK. when OSU was dominating UT, and somehow let UT come back...As stupid as my last statement was, yours was equally as dumb......Almost doesnt count,I dont know what bad calls you are talking about, and i dont really care, alls that matter is UTVUSC, Tittle style

[jtk1519]

Naw, the 31 game win streak is still intact.......Texas shoulda ended in OK. when OSU was dominating UT, and somehow let UT come back...As stupid as my last statement was, yours was equally as dumb......Almost doesnt count,I dont know what bad calls you are talking about, and i dont really care, alls that matter is UTVUSC, Tittle style

Only about 65% of what you just typed makes any sense at all. Don't drink while typing. There is plenty of time afterwards. :cool:

[Primetime536]

Only about 65% of what you just typed makes any sense at all. Don't drink while typing. There is plenty of time afterwards. :cool:
Hows that, you said USC streak SHOULDA ended, did it? NO, they are still winning, ALMOST doesnt count, so i would say you statements talking about almost is stupid and pointless.

[jtk1519]

Hows that, you said USC streak SHOULDA ended, did it? NO, they are still winning, ALMOST doesnt count, so i would say you statements talking about almost is stupid and pointless.

"Tittle style."

[Primetime536]

"Tittle style."
and,,,?

[GTown02]

and,,,?
Last time I checked... "Title" is spelled with one "T"...

[dragonfootballfan]

Last time I checked... "Title" is spelled with one "T"...
oh. I thought it had something to do with LA being the pornographic movie capital of the world ;)

[GTown02]

oh. I thought it had something to do with LA being the pornographic movie capital of the world ;)
Thats news to me! ;)

[BigWhiteJake]

ohio state never dominated texas, at any point. in that game. ohio state only had 250 yds of offense for starters, the more correct statement would have been texas dominated ohio state but allowed them to hang around through mistakes. Not to mention Henry Melton scored a touchdown on 4th down that wasnt even reviewed which (discounting the incurring safety) would make the score 30-22. Ohio State had an average field position at their own 48 yard line, they had scoring drives of 1 yd and -3 yds. Texas BEAT Ohio State in the 'shoe.

You must not have watched the ND/USC game if you dont know what bad calls im talking about...Leinarts fumble went out at about the 4 yd line, which would have forced USC to kick instead of running a play with 3 ticks left. Then bush pushed leinart into the end zone on a QB sneak that was stopped (i can tell you dont catch a lot of football so just so you know, thats illegal). going back even farther there was a bogus celebration penalty called on ND which cost them their extra point, conveniently keeping it a 3 point game...

Not only that, without the help from the officials SUC would have lost to fresno state last night. at one point in the game a sign flashed that said penalties usc 0-0 fresno st 9-85. the entire second half every time fresno got it going there would be a ticky tack holding called. SUC is just not THAT good. are they a good team? of course. if they win out, should they go to the rose bowl? of course if theres only 2 undefeateds its kinda easy..but should they be ranked ahead and otherwise favored over texas? no

[Texasfrog]

ohio state never dominated texas, at any point. in that game. ohio state only had 250 yds of offense for starters, the more correct statement would have been texas dominated ohio state but allowed them to hang around through mistakes. Not to mention Henry Melton scored a touchdown on 4th down that wasnt even reviewed which (discounting the incurring safety) would make the score 30-22. Ohio State had an average field position at their own 48 yard line, they had scoring drives of 1 yd and -3 yds. Texas BEAT Ohio State in the 'shoe.

You must not have watched the ND/USC game if you dont know what bad calls im talking about...Leinarts fumble went out at about the 4 yd line, which would have forced USC to kick instead of running a play with 3 ticks left. Then bush pushed leinart into the end zone on a QB sneak that was stopped (i can tell you dont catch a lot of football so just so you know, thats illegal). going back even farther there was a bogus celebration penalty called on ND which cost them their extra point, conveniently keeping it a 3 point game...

Not only that, without the help from the officials SUC would have lost to fresno state last night. at one point in the game a sign flashed that said penalties usc 0-0 fresno st 9-85. the entire second half every time fresno got it going there would be a ticky tack holding called. SUC is just not THAT good. are they a good team? of course. if they win out, should they go to the rose bowl? of course if theres only 2 undefeateds its kinda easy..but should they be ranked ahead and otherwise favored over texas? no

Not to mention on one of Reggie Bush's Punt returns. There was a clear (100%) no doubt "block in the back" that everyone in the stadium saw. Even the announcers were like "that was an obvious block in the back." Was there a flag thrown ????.. NOPE !!

That's the one thing I've always noticed about USC games in LA. They dont get called for any fouls at all in the game. Its going to hurt them in the National championship game when some (Big-10 , Big East, SEC) crew is calling the game.

[dragonfootballfan]

Not to mention on one of Reggie Bush's Punt returns. There was a clear (100%) no doubt "block in the back" that everyone in the stadium saw. Even the announcers were like "that was an obvious block in the back." Was there a flag thrown ????.. NOPE !!

That's the one thing I've always noticed about USC games in LA. They dont get called for any fouls at all in the game. Its going to hurt them in the National championship game when some (Big-10 , Big East, SEC) crew is calling the game.
Did you see where after the play Reggie Bush Headbutted a player right in front of the ref? There was not a flag thrown. Did you also see after Reggie Bush scored a touchdown where he pulled his jersey to the side like superman? There was not a flag thrown. Did you see the blatant holding on on the Reggie Bush run where he did the stop and start on the sideline? There was not a flag thrown. Yet everytime there was a good return for Fresno State there was a flag thrown. At one point I think Fresno State had 7 penalties and USC had none, when I could see so many no calls

[stevefoxsc]

Last time I checked... "Title" is spelled with one "T"... what's that extra T doing lets use 1 T.


Lets try it out boys and girls!!!! Tile??? wait Tile that doesn't seem right oh we'll Texas will win the national Tile competion as soon as they stop by sherman williams and get there tile!!!!!