265a week 5 wrap-up; week 6 preview

[saMavsFan]

A great week this week. The district race has really heated up. Smithson Valley, Madison, and Roosevelt have solidified themselves as the top 3 teams in the district. However, Mac, Reagan, and New Braunfels are still well within reach of the top spot. Churchill got its first win of the season as well, so congrats! Really great games this week and more to come in week 6!


Week 5

SV...30..Mac...7

Roosevelt...12..Reagan...7

NB...31..Lee...0

Churchill...28...Johnson...0

Madison-BYE

Week 6

Madison vs. SV (saMavsFan's game of the week)
Roosevelt vs. NB
Mac vs. Churchill
Lee vs. Johnson
Reagan-BYE

[mad_fan]

GOTW might be Roos v NB...

[saMavsFan]

GOTW might be Roos v NB...

It's a close second, but no way it trumps Madison vs. SV.

[mad_fan]

It's a close second, but no way it trumps Madison vs. SV.

We'll know at halftime...:D

[saMavsFan]

If by that you mean Madison will be blowing SV out at half time...:D

[bobcat83]

Just watched Roosevelt/Reagan.
Roosevelt deserves alotof credit for winning that kind of game.Just knew Walls was going to bring Reagan back in the last few minutes but Roosevelt's defense stepped up.Walls first interceptions of the year.Roosevelt's speed kept him in check running also.Both teams barely combined for 400 yds total offense.
For those waiting to give Roosevelt their due(including me) until they beat a good team-it's time.Not only did they win-they won it with defense not offense. They are extremely fast to the corners on both sides of the ball.

[shooter]

Just watched Roosevelt/Reagan.
Roosevelt deserves alotof credit for winning that kind of game.Just knew Walls was going to bring Reagan back in the last few minutes but Roosevelt's defense stepped up.Walls first interceptions of the year.Roosevelt's speed kept him in check running also.Both teams barely combined for 400 yds total offense.
For those waiting to give Roosevelt their due(including me) until they beat a good team-it's time.Not only did they win-they won it with defense not offense. They are extremely fast to the corners on both sides of the ball.

He tossed two INTs tonight

[saMavsFan]

Just watched Roosevelt/Reagan.
Roosevelt deserves alotof credit for winning that kind of game.Just knew Walls was going to bring Reagan back in the last few minutes but Roosevelt's defense stepped up.Walls first interceptions of the year.Roosevelt's speed kept him in check running also.Both teams barely combined for 400 yds total offense.
For those waiting to give Roosevelt their due(including me) until they beat a good team-it's time.Not only did they win-they won it with defense not offense. They are extremely fast to the corners on both sides of the ball.

Two interceptions that ended Reagan's last two drives. You're absolutely right. My hat is off to Roosevelt. Lots and lots of speed on both sides of the ball. Great defensive battle.

[shooter]

A great week this week. The district race has really heated up. Smithson Valley, Madison, and Roosevelt have solidified themselves as the top 3 teams in the district. However, Mac, Reagan, and New Braunfels are still well within reach of the top spot. Churchill got its first win of the season as well, so congrats! Really great games this week and more to come in week 6!


Week 5

SV...30..Mac...7

Roosevelt...12..Reagan...7

NB...31..Lee...0

Churchill...28...Johnson...0

Madison-BYE

Week 6

Madison vs. SV (saMavsFan's game of the week)
Roosevelt vs. NB
Mac vs. Churchill
Lee vs. Johnson
Reagan-BYE

Madison v SV will go 4 OTs
Roosy vs NB will be 3-2 final score
Mac v Churchill will be Mac in a route
Lee v Johnson will be 54-52 with Johnson hitting a three pointer from mid court to win it in Littleton Gym.
Reagan v Bye Reagan needs some time to heal after the last two weeks

[wizenbud]

Just watched Roosevelt/Reagan.
Roosevelt deserves alotof credit for winning that kind of game.Just knew Walls was going to bring Reagan back in the last few minutes but Roosevelt's defense stepped up.Walls first interceptions of the year.Roosevelt's speed kept him in check running also.Both teams barely combined for 400 yds total offense.
For those waiting to give Roosevelt their due(including me) until they beat a good team-it's time.Not only did they win-they won it with defense not offense. They are extremely fast to the corners on both sides of the ball.

We of TR, would like to say, thank God that Reagan game is over. Bring on the Unicorns. Great game by BOTH teams.

[wizenbud]

A great week this week. The district race has really heated up. Smithson Valley, Madison, and Roosevelt have solidified themselves as the top 3 teams in the district. However, Mac, Reagan, and New Braunfels are still well within reach of the top spot. Churchill got its first win of the season as well, so congrats! Really great games this week and more to come in week 6!


Week 5

SV...30..Mac...7

Roosevelt...12..Reagan...7

NB...31..Lee...0

Churchill...28...Johnson...0

Madison-BYE

Week 6

Madison vs. SV (saMavsFan's game of the week)
Roosevelt vs. NB
Mac vs. Churchill
Lee vs. Johnson
Reagan-BYE

Madison 36 SV 24
Without a doubt, GOTW. Madison wins because of Offense.

TR 24 NB 10
TR's speed will be too much for NB.

Mac 35 Churchill 14
Churchill has some rebuilding to do, Mac needed this game.

Lee 41 Johnson 17
Lee gets first district win.

Reagan needed a bye. They have played a tough schedule up to now. With this week off, they should be refreshed for a mid season run.

[wizenbud]

Just watched Roosevelt/Reagan.
Roosevelt deserves alotof credit for winning that kind of game.Just knew Walls was going to bring Reagan back in the last few minutes but Roosevelt's defense stepped up.Walls first interceptions of the year.Roosevelt's speed kept him in check running also.Both teams barely combined for 400 yds total offense.
For those waiting to give Roosevelt their due(including me) until they beat a good team-it's time.Not only did they win-they won it with defense not offense. They are extremely fast to the corners on both sides of the ball.


How does my 3rd best Defense in district comment look now ?
Can I get some love ? :p

[wizenbud]

I know I have a lot of post in a row, one last post:

Roosevelt defensive back Lorenzo McKenzie should have a shout out on this board. See, Zo's uncle died just a few hours before the game tonight. From the information I have recieved, Zo's uncle was on his way into town to watch Zo play football for the first time. I wanted to let the McKenzie family know that our hearts and prayers are with them and theirs.
As for Lorenzo, my hat is off to you son, for playing thru such a terrible break and coming up with the BEST game I have EVER seen you play. You sir, are what is best in men, never change. :notworthy

[#1texasgreat]

Madison v SV will go 4 OTs
Roosy vs NB will be 3-2 final score
Mac v Churchill will be Mac in a route
Lee v Johnson will be 54-52 with Johnson hitting a three pointer from mid court to win it in Littleton Gym.
Reagan v Bye Reagan needs some time to heal after the last two weeks


sv vs. madison......27-21 sv. madison hasnt seen a d this good or special teams like sv......that will be the factor...
roosevelt vs. nb.....14-10 roosevelt....just to fast....
mac vs. churchill.....mac kills them 35-10 thats being generous
lee vs. johnson......lee wins 28-17

[Shadowweaver]

Madison 36 SV 24
Without a doubt, GOTW. Madison wins because of Offense.

TR 24 NB 10
TR's speed will be too much for NB.

Mac 35 Churchill 14
Churchill has some rebuilding to do, Mac needed this game.

Lee 41 Johnson 17
Lee gets first district win.

Reagan needed a bye. They have played a tough schedule up to now. With this week off, they should be refreshed for a mid season run.

hmmmm....not looking forward to NB playing Roosevelt :(

But what I'm not worried about is Roosevelt's offense overwhelming the New Braunfels defense. I think this game will be decided, much like the last two decisive contests NB has played, with the NB offense v. Roosy defense.

Having said that, I'm not feeling all thaaat optimistic, but here's hoping!!

[saMavsFan]

sv vs. madison......27-21 sv. madison hasnt seen a d this good or special teams like sv......that will be the factor...
roosevelt vs. nb.....14-10 roosevelt....just to fast....
mac vs. churchill.....mac kills them 35-10 thats being generous
lee vs. johnson......lee wins 28-17

Wow, I'm surprised how little credit NB's defense gets. Those guys are fantastic. Yeah, we beat them...by 3 points. I can see how good SV's defense is and they've got the best special teams in the region by far. But to say their defense is better than NB's (when healthy) is taking it a bit too far.

[wizenbud]

Wow, I'm surprised how little credit NB's defense gets. Those guys are fantastic. Yeah, we beat them...by 3 points. I can see how good SV's defense is and they've got the best special teams in the region by far. But to say their defense is better than NB's (when healthy) is taking it a bit too far.

Defense isn't the problem for NB. I love that Unicorn D ! But, The speed that TR has on their D will hurt NB's offense. I expect TR's D to rattle the NB offense, which in turn will give TR field position. It's not like TR can't put the ball into the endzone. I don't expect to run NB off the field. I just think by the end of the 3rd qtr, beginning of the 4th, TR will start to wear down NB.
Leading to a score that won't tell the real story of the game. IMO. :D

[wizenbud]

Sorry Mavsfan, I should learn to read. :o
You were really talking about SV's defense not being as good as NB's.
I agree, NB's D when healthy is better than SV's. :ninja:

[saMavsFan]

Sorry Mavsfan, I should learn to read. :o
You were really talking about SV's defense not being as good as NB's.
I agree, NB's D when healthy is better than SV's. :ninja:

Heh, no worries. I still think SV is a better TEAM than NB, and I think Roosevelt is a better team than NB. Only the scoreboards will tell. This is the most competitive district race in recent memory.

I said before the season that we were going to be competitive amongst eachother, but that I didn't know how we'd do in the playoffs. I'm changing my tune. There are 2 or 3 potential state contenders in this district! :notworthy

[bobcat83]

Defense isn't the problem for NB. I love that Unicorn D ! But, The speed that TR has on their D will hurt NB's offense. I expect TR's D to rattle the NB offense, which in turn will give TR field position. It's not like TR can't put the ball into the endzone. I don't expect to run NB off the field. I just think by the end of the 3rd qtr, beginning of the 4th, TR will start to wear down NB.
Leading to a score that won't tell the real story of the game. IMO. :D

Again don't underestimate NB.I still like this team.Still reminds me of SV.Plays pretty well in all phases of the game.If Wort is good to go I see a real close game.They will have a true home field advantage and it's on grass.Remember Madison had some problems with footing.I promise you the grass will be a little longer than your practice field! It's an old trick.Their QB is a coach's son(very smart football wise) and their linebacker's-all of them are as good as any.Their SS was all state as a LB last year 6'2" 200lbs and runs a 4.5.He is as good as any in the area.

You can get to the corners-SV did with Cody Mathews who is extremely fast.
But temper the enthusiasm after beating Reagan.In this district it's another week.Remember even Aaron Green didn't score and they had a kickoff return and interception for a TD and only won 24-21! Unless you are saying you are better than Madison at this point? Be careful.

[wizenbud]

Again don't underestimate NB.I still like this team.Still reminds me of SV.Plays pretty well in all phases of the game.If Wort is good to go I see a real close game.They will have a true home field advantage and it's on grass.Remember Madison had some problems with footing.I promise you the grass will be a little longer than your practice field! It's an old trick.Their QB is a coach's son(very smart football wise) and their linebacker's-all of them are as good as any.Their SS was all state as a LB last year 6'2" 200lbs and runs a 4.5.He is as good as any in the area.

You can get to the corners-SV did with Cody Mathews who is extremely fast.
But temper the enthusiasm after beating Reagan.In this district it's another week.Remember even Aaron Green didn't score and they had a kickoff return and interception for a TD and only won 24-21! Unless you are saying you are better than Madison at this point? Be careful.


Defensive wise, yes TR is better than Madison. Offense, yeah right, Madison could score points on TX A&M. (not really, but close) TR is good on offense, but not yet great. Too many dropped passes to be on Madison level of offense.
But, I don't think it takes a great offense to beat NB if you have a good defense. TR is still chasing Madison and SV in the district favorite slot, IMO.
You'd be surprised how quickly the TR players started talking about NB. 10 of them are in my living room, right now, watching the Madison vs NB game from earlier this year. TR will be ready. ;)

[saMavsFan]

Defensive wise, yes TR is better than Madison. Offense, yeah right, Madison could score points on TX A&M. (not really, but close) TR is good on offense, but not yet great. Too many dropped passes to be on Madison level of offense.
But, I don't think it takes a great offense to beat NB if you have a good defense. TR is still chasing Madison and SV in the district favorite slot, IMO.
You'd be surprised how quickly the TR players started talking about NB. 10 of them are in my living room, right now, watching the Madison vs NB game from earlier this year. TR will be ready. ;)

If Madison loses to SV this week TR will be 1st in district, assuming they beat NB. I think Madison's defense is probably 5th best overally in the district. Just slightly better than Mac's and improving.

I think it's like this:

1.NB
2.SV
3.TR
4.Reagan
5. Madison
6. Mac
7.8.&9. does it really matter where Johnson, Lee, and Churchill are ranked?:rolleyes:

[wizenbud]

Heh, no worries. I still think SV is a better TEAM than NB, and I think Roosevelt is a better team than NB. Only the scoreboards will tell. This is the most competitive district race in recent memory.

I said before the season that we were going to be competitive amongst eachother, but that I didn't know how we'd do in the playoffs. I'm changing my tune. There are 2 or 3 potential state contenders in this district! :notworthy

I just LOVE ME some 26-5A football. 6 teams going for the playoffs. 2-3 teams a year with a shot at making the state final. It's like having christmas early if you're a football fan. :D

[wizenbud]

If Madison loses to SV this week TR will be 1st in district, assuming they beat NB. I think Madison's defense is probably 5th best overally in the district. Just slightly better than Mac's and improving.

I think it's like this:

1.NB
2.SV
3.TR
4.Reagan
5. Madison
6. Mac
7.8.&9. does it really matter where Johnson, Lee, and Churchill are ranked?:rolleyes:

SV's offense is pretty vanilla. You think SV can score enough points to keep up with Madison ?

[saMavsFan]

I just LOVE ME some 26-5A football. 6 teams going for the playoffs. 2-3 teams a year with a shot at making the state final. It's like having christmas early if you're a football fan. :D

Actually, it's more like Hanukkah! Presents every week! Ok, so that's presents every day for 8 days, but you get my point.

[wizenbud]

Actually, it's more like Hanukkah! Presents every week! Ok, so that's presents every day for 8 days, but you get my point.

I am stealing this quote. LMAO !! Loving me some Hanukkah reference !! :notworthy

[rangerpride]

SV's offense is pretty vanilla. You think SV can score enough points to keep up with Madison ?

:rolleyes:You obviously haven't seen many SV games... That vanilla offense lost by 1 TD to a TOUGH Madison team (one of the best defenses in the last 5 years in SA) in the area finals in a shoot out.

If you think SV can't score much, I hope the 10 boys in your living room think the same thing...

[saMavsFan]

:rolleyes:You obviously haven't seen many SV games...

I have, and no SV can't SCORE enough to keep up with Madison. However, SV does have a defense on par with NB's and can probably limit the # of points Madison scores. And other than Johsnon, this will probably be the worst defense SV has seen so far, so they'll put some points up. But I still take Madison in a close one.

[rangerpride]

I have, and no SV can't SCORE enough to keep up with Madison. However, SV does have a defense on par with NB's and can probably limit the # of points Madison scores. And other than Johsnon, this will probably be the worst defense SV has seen so far, so they'll put some points up. But I still take Madison in a close one.


My post was directed at the vanilla comment. I laugh when people still think SV just goes for 3 yds and a cloud of dust, running between 2 TEs.

We've been incorporating a variation of the spread for YEARS now and mixed it in with the 2 TE formations. It's actually a pretty comlicated scheme with multiple formations. We've never had a hard time putting points on the board consistently.

[saMavsFan]

My post was directed at the vanilla comment. I laugh when people still think SV just goes for 3 yds and a cloud of dust, running between 2 TEs.

We've been incorporating a variation of the spread for YEARS now and mixed it in with the 2 TE formations. It's actually a pretty comlicated scheme with multiple formations. We've never had a hard time putting points on the board consistently.

I'm most impressed with Reinhart. Anyone thinks he's 3 yards and a cloud of dust needs only to look at some game film. That kid's a hoss for his size!!

[wizenbud]

My post was directed at the vanilla comment. I laugh when people still think SV just goes for 3 yds and a cloud of dust, running between 2 TEs.

We've been incorporating a variation of the spread for YEARS now and mixed it in with the 2 TE formations. It's actually a pretty comlicated scheme with multiple formations. We've never had a hard time putting points on the board consistently.

I am sorry, just meant that scoring 35+ points hasn't been your strong suit this year. IMO, a team will have to score near 35 points to beat Madison. But, hey, I could be totally wrong. :D

[wizenbud]

:rolleyes:You obviously haven't seen many SV games... That vanilla offense lost by 1 TD to a TOUGH Madison team (one of the best defenses in the last 5 years in SA) in the area finals in a shoot out.

If you think SV can't score much, I hope the 10 boys in your living room think the same thing...

TR boys aren't thinking SV just yet. NB is next on our schedule. But, TR knows who the big boys are. We get to see them at the end of the year. I am sure they'll respect SV, just as much, if not more than we did Reagan. ;)

[longhorn3]

:rolleyes:You obviously haven't seen many SV games... That vanilla offense lost by 1 TD to a TOUGH Madison team (one of the best defenses in the last 5 years in SA) in the area finals in a shoot out.

If you think SV can't score much, I hope the 10 boys in your living room think the same thing...

actually i do think sv offense is vanilla...compared to Roosy and Madison...lots of team speed to face...going to be very very tough for sv this week. Good luck though

[SV61]

Anybody else see this?

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/hssports/2008/09/madisons_green_catches_espns_e.html

Or am I too late, as usual??

Thought you boys would get a kick outta this.

[SaRattlerFan]

My post was directed at the vanilla comment. I laugh when people still think SV just goes for 3 yds and a cloud of dust, running between 2 TEs.

We've been incorporating a variation of the spread for YEARS now and mixed it in with the 2 TE formations. It's actually a pretty comlicated scheme with multiple formations. We've never had a hard time putting points on the board consistently.

I don't think SV's scheme is complicated, it's the multiple formations that tend to be a little tricky for D's. SV runs's a lot of isolation plays out of 2 TE sets and a lot of hitches out of twin sets. They lull you to sleep with the hitches and then they'll run a reverse or a hitch and go. What sets SV apart is they are really well coached and they play with discipline.

[CKE]

I am sorry, just meant that scoring 35+ points hasn't been your strong suit this year. IMO, a team will have to score near 35 points to beat Madison. But, hey, I could be totally wrong. :D

SV is averaging 27.3 points a game compared to TR 33.6 its not has far off as you think.

[wizenbud]

SV is averaging 27.3 points a game compared to TR 33.6 its not has far off as you think.

Not too bad. I have said before, Madison and SV are the 2 best teams in the district. I know SV will score points. Madioson's D has holes. But, I still believe that SV'd defense will have some trouble. Not the trouble that some think, but enough to make this the game of the year in 26-5A.

I pick Madison only because of the game changer, Green. That is the only difference between these 2 teams. Meaning, that SV has the better defense.
Madison has the better offense. Madison has a guy that can go the distantance every time he touches the ball. The pressure that puts on a defense is tough to deal with for an entire game. IMO. :D

As for SV's offense, ball control MAYbe the way. I think a little different. I think SV should try and open up the playbook on Madison. If SV can get a couple of quick, easy scores, then the pressure shifts to Madison's offense.
Then the running game isn't used as much. But what do I know ?? :D

I love this district. Every week, the GOTY !! :D

[#1texasgreat]

I am sorry, just meant that scoring 35+ points hasn't been your strong suit this year. IMO, a team will have to score near 35 points to beat Madison. But, hey, I could be totally wrong. :D



now when ur defense holds them to less than 20:eek: haha



sv has never had the biggest,strongest, fastest, on the field..... they r very disciplined well,extremely well coached,and play with heart.....who says u need speed to have a ****** offense...?

sv runs alot of multiple formations....u will see them run the same play from 6 different formations which confuses defenses....



madison will not run all over SV'S defense they will have a hard time......sv's offense on the other hand should have a field day....

[wizenbud]

now when ur defense holds them to less than 20:eek: haha



sv has never had the biggest,strongest, fastest, on the field..... they r very disciplined well,extremely well coached,and play with heart.....who says u need speed to have a ****** offense...?

sv runs alot of multiple formations....u will see them run the same play from 6 different formations which confuses defenses....



madison will not run all over SV'S defense they will have a hard time......sv's offense on the other hand should have a field day....

Don't sleep on Madison's offense. It's like playing with fire, burns follow.

[rangerpride]

actually i do think sv offense is vanilla...compared to Roosy and Madison...lots of team speed to face...going to be very very tough for sv this week. Good luck though

Oh I see, so if your team is not full of super fast athletes, that means you have a vanilla offense then.

If a vanilla offense means scoring 27 ppg, then I will take vanilla every day of the week. Those vanilla SV teams have been a lot farther in the playoffs than all those Madison teams STOCKED with athletes ever have been.

I love me some vanilla!:cool:

[rangerpride]

Not too bad. I have said before, Madison and SV are the 2 best teams in the district. I know SV will score points. Madioson's D has holes. But, I still believe that SV'd defense will have some trouble. Not the trouble that some think, but enough to make this the game of the year in 26-5A.

I pick Madison only because of the game changer, Green. That is the only difference between these 2 teams. Meaning, that SV has the better defense.
Madison has the better offense. Madison has a guy that can go the distantance every time he touches the ball. The pressure that puts on a defense is tough to deal with for an entire game. IMO. :D

As for SV's offense, ball control MAYbe the way. I think a little different. I think SV should try and open up the playbook on Madison. If SV can get a couple of quick, easy scores, then the pressure shifts to Madison's offense.
Then the running game isn't used as much. But what do I know ?? :D

I love this district. Every week, the GOTY !! :D

Obviously you are a proud Dad of a Roosevelt player. As a fan I am sure you are aware of the impact of special teams. Many times throughout the years, SV has been overmatched when it comes to matching athletes with athletes vs. Madison, but somehow special teams has been the difference in SV overcoming the disadvantage.

2001 area finals, failed EP by Madison= SV win
2006 SV FG kicker wins game after several failed attempts by Madison FG kicker

Just a couple of examples that come to mind. SV special teams is a "game changer" in and OF itself.

[SaRattlerFan]

Madison 36 SV 24
Without a doubt, GOTW. Madison wins because of Offense.

TR 24 NB 10
TR's speed will be too much for NB.

Mac 35 Churchill 14
Churchill has some rebuilding to do, Mac needed this game.

Lee 41 Johnson 17
Lee gets first district win.

Reagan needed a bye. They have played a tough schedule up to now. With this week off, they should be refreshed for a mid season run.

Not trying to be disrespectful to TR, but I don't see TR scoring 24 against NB. NB's D is better than Reagan's and TR only scored 12 against Reagan.

[#1texasgreat]

Oh I see, so if your team is not full of super fast athletes, that means you have a vanilla offense then.

If a vanilla offense means scoring 27 ppg, then I will take vanilla every day of the week. Those vanilla SV teams have been a lot farther in the playoffs than all those Madison teams STOCKED with athletes ever have been.

I love me some vanilla!:cool:

me to ill take vanilla over chocolate neday! haha....in no way is that a racial comment

[wizenbud]

Not trying to be disrespectful to TR, but I don't see TR scoring 24 against NB. NB's D is better than Reagan's and TR only scored 12 against Reagan.

Yeah, I had to rethink that score earlier today after talking to Coach. I lowered the score to 13-7. TR of course. :D

[wizenbud]

Oh I see, so if your team is not full of super fast athletes, that means you have a vanilla offense then.

If a vanilla offense means scoring 27 ppg, then I will take vanilla every day of the week. Those vanilla SV teams have been a lot farther in the playoffs than all those Madison teams STOCKED with athletes ever have been.

I love me some vanilla!:cool:

By no way is that true. Tivy wasn't fast, but their offense is OUTSTANDING !!

I didn't mean to dis SV's offense, I was just saying Madison has a high powered offense. Known to score 40 at will, that's all.
Didn't Coach Hill tell KSAT 12 his offense was vanilla, after this last game ?
Vanilla meaning.......... balanced, well coached, and predictable. Nothing wrong with that. When no one can stop your execution, vanilla is winning football, no doubts here. ;)

[wizenbud]

Obviously you are a proud Dad of a Roosevelt player. As a fan I am sure you are aware of the impact of special teams. Many times throughout the years, SV has been overmatched when it comes to matching athletes with athletes vs. Madison, but somehow special teams has been the difference in SV overcoming the disadvantage.

2001 area finals, failed EP by Madison= SV win
2006 SV FG kicker wins game after several failed attempts by Madison FG kicker

Just a couple of examples that come to mind. SV special teams is a "game changer" in and OF itself.

The third phase..... I have to give you credit...... SV does have an advantage on special teams. In the kicking game, yes. The return game, I think it may be a wash. But, the kicking advantage, that could just be enough. Not just with points, but with field position. Still too close a game to be surprised if either team wins. If there's a blow out, that would surprise me.

I'll tell you this, I wouldn't bet an enemy's money on this game. I can't wait for this weekend. :D

[wizenbud]

I don't think SV's scheme is complicated, it's the multiple formations that tend to be a little tricky for D's. SV runs's a lot of isolation plays out of 2 TE sets and a lot of hitches out of twin sets. They lull you to sleep with the hitches and then they'll run a reverse or a hitch and go. What sets SV apart is they are really well coached and they play with discipline.

I should have just stolen this quote. :notworthy

[atx]

A great week this week. The district race has really heated up. Smithson Valley, Madison, and Roosevelt have solidified themselves as the top 3 teams in the district. However, Mac, Reagan, and New Braunfels are still well within reach of the top spot. Churchill got its first win of the season as well, so congrats! Really great games this week and more to come in week 6!


Week 5

SV...30..Mac...7

Roosevelt...12..Reagan...7

NB...31..Lee...0

Churchill...28...Johnson...0

Madison-BYE

Week 6

Madison vs. SV (saMavsFan's game of the week)
Roosevelt vs. NB
Mac vs. Churchill/bye
Lee vs. Johnson
Reagan-BYE

Madison
TR
Mac (another bye week)
LBJ

[wizenbud]

Yeah, I had to rethink that score earlier today after talking to Coach. I lowered the score to 13-7. TR of course. :D

12 - 7, a stinkin' point off !! :mad: :D

[svhorns]

12 - 7, a stinkin' point off !! :mad: :D

can't wait till we play yall... it's going to be on TV!

[wizenbud]

can't wait till we play yall... it's going to be on TV!

National TV at that !! Maybe, just maybe, it will be for the title. :eek:
Here's to hoping !! :D

[SV2005]

National TV at that !! Maybe, just maybe, it will be for the title. :eek:
Here's to hoping !! :D

Whoa wait.... SV vs. Roosevelt is going to be televised?? On FSN or what channel?

[wizenbud]

Whoa wait.... SV vs. Roosevelt is going to be televised?? On FSN or what channel?

Yes. FSN. Not too bad. ;)

[rangerpride]

By no way is that true. Tivy wasn't fast, but their offense is OUTSTANDING !!

I didn't mean to dis SV's offense, I was just saying Madison has a high powered offense. Known to score 40 at will, that's all.
Didn't Coach Hill tell KSAT 12 his offense was vanilla, after this last game ?
Vanilla meaning.......... balanced, well coached, and predictable. Nothing wrong with that. When no one can stop your execution, vanilla is winning football, no doubts here. ;)


Our vanilla offense had some pretty big plays last night vs Madison. 60+yd pass for a TD, several end arounds that went for 10+yds, and even an attempted fake reverse flea-flicker. Vanilla scored 31 last night, while that "exciting flavor" scored 21, hardly the 40 pts they supposedly can score "at will." 0 pts in the 2nd half...

Let's see how Roosevelt's D does against Madison's O...

[wizenbud]

Our vanilla offense had some pretty big plays last night vs Madison. 60+yd pass for a TD, several end arounds that went for 10+yds, and even an attempted fake reverse flea-flicker. Vanilla scored 31 last night, while that "exciting flavor" scored 21, hardly the 40 pts they supposedly can score "at will." 0 pts in the 2nd half...

Let's see how Roosevelt's D does against Madison's O...


Well, we are faster than SV. So we should match up pretty well vs the O.
On the other hand, Let's see how Madison's defense matches up with the TR offense. :D

[wizenbud]

Our vanilla offense had some pretty big plays last night vs Madison. 60+yd pass for a TD, several end arounds that went for 10+yds, and even an attempted fake reverse flea-flicker. Vanilla scored 31 last night, while that "exciting flavor" scored 21, hardly the 40 pts they supposedly can score "at will." 0 pts in the 2nd half...

Let's see how Roosevelt's D does against Madison's O...

As for SV's offense, ball control MAYbe the way. I think a little different. I think SV should try and open up the playbook on Madison. If SV can get a couple of quick, easy scores, then the pressure shifts to Madison's offense

Not to be disrespectful, but Madison's defense isn't the toughest to move or score the ball against. I just didn't know if Coach Hill would get "frisky" with the play calling, or stay conservative to control the clock. In the end SV just put the claps on a REALLY good offense. That was what won the game, IMO.
But, as always, I could be wrong. :D

[wizenbud]

Our vanilla offense had some pretty big plays last night vs Madison. 60+yd pass for a TD, several end arounds that went for 10+yds, and even an attempted fake reverse flea-flicker. Vanilla scored 31 last night, while that "exciting flavor" scored 21, hardly the 40 pts they supposedly can score "at will." 0 pts in the 2nd half...

Let's see how Roosevelt's D does against Madison's O...

Are you saying that SV's offense is better than Madison's ?? :confused:

If that's what you're saying, I am sorry, I can't agree with you there.
SV's Offense is good, but Madison has shown all year that they can score on any defense. Just 21 points, that's the most points SV has given up all year.
SV just has a top flight Defense and Madison doesn't. It seems that 26-5A is just full of really good defensive teams. TR, SV, NB, and Reagan come to mind. But, Madison ?? Not this year. SV's defense should get ALL the credit in this mans book for the BIG win vs Madison. Not that the offense didn't pull its weight. But, 31 points is just 3 more than Mac scored on Madison. ;)

[bobcat83]

Are you saying that SV's offense is better than Madison's ?? :confused:

If that's what you're saying, I am sorry, I can't agree with you there.
SV's Offense is good, but Madison has shown all year that they can score on any defense. Just 21 points, that's the most points SV has given up all year.
SV just has a top flight Defense and Madison doesn't. It seems that 26-5A is just full of really good defensive teams. TR, SV, NB, and Reagan come to mind. But, Madison ?? Not this year. SV's defense should get ALL the credit in this mans book for the BIG win vs Madison. Not that the offense didn't pull its weight. But, 31 points is just 3 more than Mac scored on Madison. ;)

SV's offense is getting better each week.The whole package is improving-QB play,O-Line,Running game,recievers....and they will continue.They do have the playmakers.
Are they more explosive than Madison-no-not a chance.Do they execute better-they did the other night.Depends on what type of game you want to play.Their's ball control,first downs, a few explosive play, and protect the ball.
So comparing them to Mac's spread offense or Madison's is tough.
They will have several weeks to fine tune it vs Churchill and Lee before meeting Roosevelt.

[wizenbud]

SV's offense is getting better each week.The whole package is improving-QB play,O-Line,Running game,recievers....and they will continue.They do have the playmakers.
Are they more explosive than Madison-no-not a chance.Do they execute better-they did the other night.Depends on what type of game you want to play.Their's ball control,first downs, a few explosive play, and protect the ball.
So comparing them to Mac's spread offense or Madison's is tough.
They will have several weeks to fine tune it vs Churchill and Lee before meeting Roosevelt.

Point taken. It is tough to compare offensive teams due to shemes. :notworthy

Perhaps, I should say Smithson Valley is more apt to out execute you than out score you. While Madison is more out to hit teams with the flashy big plays and get the score in the 30's. Fair ?:confused:

[CKE]

Are you saying that SV's offense is better than Madison's ?? :confused:

If that's what you're saying, I am sorry, I can't agree with you there.
SV's Offense is good, but Madison has shown all year that they can score on any defense. Just 21 points, that's the most points SV has given up all year.
SV just has a top flight Defense and Madison doesn't. It seems that 26-5A is just full of really good defensive teams. TR, SV, NB, and Reagan come to mind. But, Madison ?? Not this year. SV's defense should get ALL the credit in this mans book for the BIG win vs Madison. Not that the offense didn't pull its weight. But, 31 points is just 3 more than Mac scored on Madison. ;)

Madison has only played 2 defense out of the 4 that are good in the district and only scored 2 TD's on offense against NB(one on a trick play) and 3 against SV. They have not shown they can score on anyone.

[CKE]

Point taken. It is tough to compare offensive teams due to shemes. :notworthy

Perhaps, I should say Smithson Valley is more apt to out execute you than out score you. While Madison is more out to hit teams with the flashy big plays and get the score in the 30's. Fair ?:confused:

Once again 24 against NB and 21 against SV. The only 2 good defenses they play they did not break 30.

[mad_fan]

Madison has only played 2 defense out of the 4 that are good in the district and only scored 2 TD's on offense against NB(one on a trick play) and 3 against SV. They have not shown they can score on anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tK6aQS_H0
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;)

[CKE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tK6aQS_H0
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;)

lol you say pretty much nothing all year in Madison threads and then drop this... good timing :notworthy

[bobcat83]

Point taken. It is tough to compare offensive teams due to shemes. :notworthy

Perhaps, I should say Smithson Valley is more apt to out execute you than out score you. While Madison is more out to hit teams with the flashy big plays and get the score in the 30's. Fair ?:confused:

Last year's offense could outscore you or play ball control.
This year's team hung with Madison and traded blows equally in the 1st half. Don't want to try that the whole game.I guess my point is to give some props to the offense-we know the defense is very good.But if you sleep on Reinhart(RB), Mathews(Wr), Hilston(RB/WR) and Brown(QB) at all they will beat you. I don't care how fast you are-if they execute they can move the ball.It may not be in big chunks.One of the best things they have been doing is converting on 3rd down.Great percentage.
But in the end it's the "team thing".DEfense and kicking game providing them with field position etc....

[mad_fan]

lol you say pretty much nothing all year in Madison threads and then drop this... good timing :notworthy

I was driving by...:D

[wizenbud]

Madison has only played 2 defense out of the 4 that are good in the district and only scored 2 TD's on offense against NB(one on a trick play) and 3 against SV. They have not shown they can score on anyone.

3 TD's vs SV = 21 points..... the most SV has given up all year.
Unless I am wrong, SV has a pretty darn good defense. 21 points on that D, and you say Madison can't score on anyone ?
17 points for the offense with a healthy Wort for a longer than vs SV.
No love for getting 3 scores against what most believe to be the best defense in the district ? Maybe the region.

I am not saying that SV doesn't have a good offense. But, Madison is more explosive than SV.

Guess it's like beauty......... it's in the eye of the beholder.
How does one win this agrument ? I state that the SV defense is outstanding for holding an offensive team like Madison down. So, which is it ? Is SV's defense just OK and Madison's offense isn't that good ? Or, is Madsion's offense REALLY good and the SV defense is better. Or, is it that, Madison has an OK offense and SV has a suspect defense ?
As for SV's offense..... you scored 31 on a suspect Mavs defense. SV scored 20 vs a Wort-less NB defense. Only 7 vs Reagan. Yes, SV has shown improvements on the offensive side of the ball. BUT, I never said that SV didn't have a good offense !!

[CKE]

3 TD's vs SV = 21 points..... the most SV has given up all year.
Unless I am wrong, SV has a pretty darn good defense. 21 points on that D, and you say Madison can't score on anyone ?
17 points for the offense with a healthy Wort for a longer than vs SV.
No love for getting 3 scores against what most believe to be the best defense in the district ? Maybe the region.

I am not saying that SV doesn't have a good offense. But, Madison is more explosive than SV.

Guess it's like beauty......... it's in the eye of the beholder.
How does one win this agrument ? I state that the SV defense is outstanding for holding an offensive team like Madison down. So, which is it ? Is SV's defense just OK and Madison's offense isn't that good ? Or, is Madsion's offense REALLY good and the SV defense is better. Or, is it that, Madison has an OK offense and SV has a suspect defense ?
As for SV's offense..... you scored 31 on a suspect Mavs defense. SV scored 20 vs a Wort-less NB defense. Only 7 vs Reagan. Yes, SV has shown improvements on the offensive side of the ball. BUT, I never said that SV didn't have a good offense !!

I'm not saying you said Sv offense was not good. I stated that Madison has showed that they can NOT score against anyone.Like I said they have played 2 defenses this year that are worth anything and held to a very average game on offense. Yes the NB and SV defenses ore that good but If Madison had such a high powered offense they would have been able to score more than 14 points against NB and gain more than 60 yards against SV in the 2nd half.

[bobcat83]

3 TD's vs SV = 21 points..... the most SV has given up all year.
Unless I am wrong, SV has a pretty darn good defense. 21 points on that D, and you say Madison can't score on anyone ?
17 points for the offense with a healthy Wort for a longer than vs SV.
No love for getting 3 scores against what most believe to be the best defense in the district ? Maybe the region.

I am not saying that SV doesn't have a good offense. But, Madison is more explosive than SV.

Guess it's like beauty......... it's in the eye of the beholder.
How does one win this agrument ? I state that the SV defense is outstanding for holding an offensive team like Madison down. So, which is it ? Is SV's defense just OK and Madison's offense isn't that good ? Or, is Madsion's offense REALLY good and the SV defense is better. Or, is it that, Madison has an OK offense and SV has a suspect defense ?
As for SV's offense..... you scored 31 on a suspect Mavs defense. SV scored 20 vs a Wort-less NB defense. Only 7 vs Reagan. Yes, SV has shown improvements on the offensive side of the ball. BUT, I never said that SV didn't have a good offense !!

You can't win the argument! Both sides have their own set's of criteria.
I am of the score more than your opponents no matter how you do it side of the fence.Do not care about stats-you can't tell the whole picture by looking at the box score unless you saw the game-and really watched it closely. Don't get me wrong stats have there use.But there is so much more to the game than numbers(except the score of course). We all can use common opponents as a barometer to guage how we stack up against each other.But remember a barometer is a weatherman's tool and aren't weathermen wrong half of the time?!

[wizenbud]

I'm not saying you said Sv offense was not good. I stated that Madison has showed that they can NOT score against anyone.Like I said they have played 2 defenses this year that are worth anything and held to a very average game on offense. Yes the NB and SV defenses ore that good but If Madison had such a high powered offense they would have been able to score more than 14 points against NB and gain more than 60 yards against SV in the 2nd half.

So, Madison's offense isn't that good ? Meaning you would pick TR to beat Madison in their match-up ?

[bobcat83]

I'm not saying you said Sv offense was not good. I stated that Madison has showed that they can NOT score against anyone.Like I said they have played 2 defenses this year that are worth anything and held to a very average game on offense. Yes the NB and SV defenses ore that good but If Madison had such a high powered offense they would have been able to score more than 14 points against NB and gain more than 60 yards against SV in the 2nd half.

That Tivy game threw everyone out of wack on the Madison offense.That film should be thrown away.How many TD's were scored without the ballcarrier/reciever not being touched?!
Yes they are very good and explosive but are they better than last year's Madison offense?
Again that Tivy game made alot of people think they were unstopable.

[wizenbud]

That Tivy game threw everyone out of wack on the Madison offense.That film should be thrown away.How many TD's were scored without the ballcarrier/reciever not being touched?!
Yes they are very good and explosive but are they better than last year's Madison offense?
Again that Tivy game made alot of people think they were unstopable.

You might be right. But, over 200 points at this time in the season ?? Got to be more than one game, right ?

[CKE]

So, Madison's offense isn't that good ? Meaning you would pick TR to beat Madison in their match-up ?

If the Roosevelt offense can actually score some points then yes they can beat them.

[bobcat83]

You might be right. But, over 200 points at this time in the season ?? Got to be more than one game, right ?

Again they are very good-let's wait and determine how good after they play Reagan and TR.
Then they can be graded on just how good against NB,SV, Reagan and TR-4 pretty darn good defenses.

Again-Tivy-67 points 700 yds total offense-Green 9 td's and over 400 yds.
Phenominal performance by the team and indivuals but sure will mess up someone's true analysis.
Again-don't anyone think that I am saying that they aren't real good-jut not the Dallas Cowboys of HS football per se.

[wizenbud]

So, Madison's offense isn't that good ? Meaning you would pick TR to beat Madison in their match-up ?

I only ask this because you state that Madison can't score on good defensive teams.
So, Madison will be the 4th seed ? Because they still have TR and Reagan, leading to 3 losses. I wouldn't think that possible a week ago.

[CKE]

That Tivy game threw everyone out of wack on the Madison offense.That film should be thrown away.How many TD's were scored without the ballcarrier/reciever not being touched?!
Yes they are very good and explosive but are they better than last year's Madison offense?
Again that Tivy game made alot of people think they were unstopable.

You are exactly right...and since Aaron Greens 9 TD game he has had 2(might be 3) against Johnson

[wizenbud]

Again they are very good-let's wait and determine how good after they play Reagan and TR.
Then they can be graded on just how good against NB,SV, Reagan and TR-4 pretty darn good defenses.

Again-Tivy-67 points 700 yds total offense-Green 9 td's and over 400 yds.
Phenominal performance by the team and indivuals but sure will mess up someone's true analysis.
Again-don't anyone think that I am saying that they aren't real good-jut not the Dallas Cowboys of HS football per se.

I feel ya ! :D
OK, I'll concede..... for now. :p

[CKE]

I only ask this because you state that Madison can't score on good defensive teams.

Like I said Roosevelt is going to have to score as well...these last 2 games they have only scored 12 points each that is going to need to change but Roosevelt will not play a defense like they have to past 2 weeks until they meet SV

[wizenbud]

If the Roosevelt offense can actually score some points then yes they can beat them.

We scored more on Reagan than SV and TR had to play a healthy NB defense, thank you. ;)

[CKE]

We scored more on Reagan than SV and TR had to play a healthy NB defense, thank you. ;)

Now this is about Sv....you sure like jumping topics :confused:

[bobcat83]

I don't think anyone is disputing that Madison has a very good offense.Green and Askew are great athletes along with others.They are scary now and next year...
But ask yourself is this years Madison offense better than last years with DT?
Without DT? Better than SV's or Reagan's last year? Mac's 2 years ago(they were really fun to watch!)

One thing for sure is I am glad SV will not have to face them again this year.Would like another shot at Reagan though!

[wizenbud]

Now this is about Sv....you sure like jumping topics :confused:

Well, it a lot more fun than getting beat down on just one topic. :D

[bobcat83]

We scored more on Reagan than SV and TR had to play a healthy NB defense, thank you. ;)

12 vs 7-better learn how to make xp's or that will kill you!

SV's offense now is a little better than 4 weeks ago-that was the 3rd game of the year for basically 11 new starters.
Yes Reinhart played last year when Rios got hurt-week 12
and the center(Mclane) started at TE.
But still just like having 11 new starters. Oh and a little know fact is that Reinhart played very little vs Reagan due to an injury.Mecke handled most of the carries.

[wizenbud]

I don't think anyone is disputing that Madison has a very good offense.Green and Askew are great athletes along with others.They are scary now and next year...
But ask yourself is this years Madison offense better than last years with DT?
Without DT? Better than SV's or Reagan's last year? Mac's 2 years ago(they were really fun to watch!)

One thing for sure is I am glad SV will not have to face them again this year.Would like another shot at Reagan though!

Uncle !! I yield !! Next year..... maybe. But you're right, Madison offense isn't as good as DT team. :notworthy

[wizenbud]

12 vs 7-better learn how to make xp's or that will kill you!
SV's offense now is a little better than 4 weeks ago-that was the 3rd game of the year for basically 11 new starters.
Yes Reinhart played last year when Rios got hurt-week 12
and the center(Mclane) started at TE.
But still just like having 11 new starters. Oh and a little know fact is that Reinhart played very little vs Reagan due to an injury.Mecke handled most of the carries.

I can hear the Madison fans now, " Ain't that the truth !!" .:D

[bobcat83]

I can hear the Madison fans now, " Ain't that the truth !!" .:D


They made all three vs SV-pulled a kid up from the JV.Don't think he's much of a field goal threat.KO's are still an issue for them.

Oh and for SV I beleive Taylor Cowart is 6-6 on field goals this year and kicked deep the whole game on kickoffs. And Ryan Unruh(TE/Punter) pinned Madison deep in their territory several times in the 2nd half.
No the specials teams didn't block a kick but were a huge factor in the game.Still the best in town at that aspect-bar none.

[wizenbud]

They made all three vs SV-pulled a kid up from the JV.Don't think he's much of a field goal threat.KO's are still an issue for them.

Oh and I beleive Taylor Cowart is 6-6 on field goals this year and kicked deep the whole game on kickoffs. And Ryan Unruh(TE/Punter) pinned Madison deep in their territory several times in the 2nd half.No the specials teams didn't block a kick but were a huge factor in the game.Still the best in town at that aspect-bar none.

That's one thing TR can do. Kickoff and punt. I think the kicker has 6-7 touchbacks this year. Punt coverage, when needed, is awesome ! The punter #9 Taylor can boot it a mile in the air and get some distance when needed. Then turn around and pin a team back inside the 25-20 yd line. He is one heck of a weapon for us. The return game is the same as Madison's, so you guys should be able to handle us on kickoffs. Punt returns will be the fun part. If a punter kicks a line drive, Armstrong is off to the races. He has just about broken one every game this year. But, knowing SV they have something for them.

[saMavsFan]

Madison has a spectacular offense. We showed that in the first half of the SV game. Apparently, that brilliance just wasn't working for our coaching staff and they decided to change the entire game plan. We really shot ourselves in the foot.


SV has a great defense. They aren't any better than NB was against Madison, but I do think they are the best defense in the region now. SV's offense is the key though. Those guys are VANILLA. But vanilla happens to be one of my favorite flavors. Point is, they are execution, field position, turn-overs...any one of which can beat a team.

SV is the better team for no other reason than they enforced their will on Madison in the 2nd half. Period. We lost to a better team. We have a great offense. So does SV (and SV's is still improving). I don't think its any question who won the defensive battle.

[Shadowweaver]

Madison has a spectacular offense. We showed that in the first half of the SV game. Apparently, that brilliance just wasn't working for our coaching staff and they decided to change the entire game plan. We really shot ourselves in the foot.


SV has a great defense. They aren't any better than NB was against Madison, but I do think they are the best defense in the region now. SV's offense is the key though. Those guys are VANILLA. But vanilla happens to be one of my favorite flavors. Point is, they are execution, field position, turn-overs...any one of which can beat a team.

SV is the better team for no other reason than they enforced their will on Madison in the 2nd half. Period. We lost to a better team. We have a great offense. So does SV (and SV's is still improving). I don't think its any question who won the defensive battle.

While this is as much a testament of Roosy's defense as it is NB's, at the NB v. Roosy game, Roosy's offense only scored 6 points on the NB defense. The 12-7 score was a result of a stripped ball run back for an 86 yard TD at the top of the 1st quarter.

[saMavsFan]

While this is as much a testament of Roosy's defense as it is NB's, at the NB v. Roosy game, Roosy's offense only scored 6 points on the NB defense. The 12-7 score was a result of a stripped ball run back for an 86 yard TD at the top of the 1st quarter.

Same can be said with respect to the SV/Madison game. We may not have continued calling the plays that were working for us, but the SV defense was able to shut down the plays we did run (badly called as they may have been).

Roosevelt, much like SV, took advantage of the game as it was. SV exploited our offensive bumbling by holding us to fewer than 60 yards in the 2nd half along with two INT's and a fumble. Roosevelt had the fumble/strip run-back for a TD.

The games, on paper, might have warranted different results. But all credit goes to SV and Roosevelt for turning that around.