View Full Version : Madison vs. Smithson Valley
saMavsFan
10-03-2008, 10:50 PM
We all know what's happened so far. Week from tonight! Let the fun begin.
#1texasgreat
10-04-2008, 12:35 AM
oh boy! this is gonna be a greattttt game!i hope im able to make it for atleast the second half.....so much to say but this game is gonna be hard to determine.....
sv has played great defense and madison has not yet seen a defense this good.....however sv has not seen a offense like madisons with explosiveness in the passing and running game.....sv offense is really starting to get going and madisons defense is getting progressively better....the way both teams have played so far makes this a tough decision but i think sv has the edge....
once again as always sv's special team will come up big in this game.....i say sv 27 madison 21.....
saMavsFan
10-04-2008, 09:25 AM
oh boy! this is gonna be a greattttt game!i hope im able to make it for atleast the second half.....so much to say but this game is gonna be hard to determine.....
sv has played great defense and madison has not yet seen a defense this good.....however sv has not seen a offense like madisons with explosiveness in the passing and running game.....sv offense is really starting to get going and madisons defense is getting progressively better....the way both teams have played so far makes this a tough decision but i think sv has the edge....
once again as always sv's special team will come up big in this game.....i say sv 27 madison 21.....
Both teams have absolutely shown their strenghts. Madison's offense is probably the most potent in region 4. SV's defense is right up there with P'ville, Judson, and NB. SV's offense is not overpowering, but extremely effective. And, as they showed against Mac last night, SV can control the ball. Madison's defense has gotten better and better as the weeks have gone on. While I don't think Madison can shut out SV with their defense, I look for the defense to make plays when needed.
SV's special teams are stingy and punishing. They can block kicks with the best of them (an area Madison has struggled with all by itself), and Reinhart has given them some big returns this year. For Madison, Askew and Kevin Cortez have shown that there is no safe place to kick to on the field if you try to avoid Aaron and Andrew Green.
The story of the game will come down to SV's ability to stop Madison from scoring. If Madison scores every time we touch the ball, SV won't be able to merely control the pace of the game. Of course, Madison will have to make some stops of its own. This one could come down to a field goal or missed PAT. I predict SV will keep pace with Madison offensively, not due to SV's defense, but SV's offense's ability to sustain long long drives. However, I give Madison the edge in an offensive battle.
Madison by 7.
MADMAVMOM
10-04-2008, 10:35 AM
Madison's offense will carry this game.
Madison's defense will make the big plays - and get the ball back to the offense.
Madison 35
SV 21
rangerpride
10-04-2008, 12:09 PM
SV has played the other 2 Top 4 teams in district except for Madison (Reagan, New Braunfels) to this point and played a tough Judson team. Madison has yet to be tested by a Top 4 team in district, except for New Braunfels, who gave them a good close game.
I don't think that Madison's defense has improved as much as some of you claim. I think it is mainly due to playing weaker teams that it gives off the impression of an improved defense. People were in awe of MacArthur's D (and so-called "unstoppable" offense too) early on too when they had outscored opponents like 90-10 in the first 3 games, but they had not played any great teams. Then SV plastered them 30-7 and kept their unstoppable offense from scoring in the 2nd half. The point is weaknesses are masked when you play weak competition and they get exposed by good teams.
I still think this game will come down to who can get the most stops defensively and at this point that favors SV.
SV is averaging 8ppg allowed in district play. That number will DEFINITELY go UP after playing Madison. No way SV holds Madison to 1 TD. SV has given up big plays lately, but none really that resulted in a TD. Their defense has had a "bend, but don't break" attitude since district started. Even when teams get into scoring position on them, SV typically comes up with a big sack to take the opponent out of FG range or block a FG to keep the opposition from scoring altogether.
Madison is definitely the best offense SV has seen to this point, but SV will be the best defense Madison has seen to this point. And last time Madison played a good defensive team (New Braunfels) they squeaked out a win. Problem is that New Braunfels is a much weaker offensive team than SV.
Both teams will hve multiple scores, but I think SV takes this one by a FG 27 to 24.
TexasRed6x
10-04-2008, 01:20 PM
This comes down to coaching so you have to go with SV. I would not be surprised if SV wins by 14.
saMavsFan
10-04-2008, 02:40 PM
SV has played the other 2 Top 4 teams in district except for Madison (Reagan, New Braunfels) to this point and played a tough Judson team. Madison has yet to be tested by a Top 4 team in district, except for New Braunfels, who gave them a good close game.
I don't think that Madison's defense has improved as much as some of you claim. I think it is mainly due to playing weaker teams that it gives off the impression of an improved defense. People were in awe of MacArthur's D (and so-called "unstoppable" offense too) early on too when they had outscored opponents like 90-10 in the first 3 games, but they had not played any great teams. Then SV plastered them 30-7 and kept their unstoppable offense from scoring in the 2nd half. The point is weaknesses are masked when you play weak competition and they get exposed by good teams.
I still think this game will come down to who can get the most stops defensively and at this point that favors SV.
SV is averaging 8ppg allowed in district play. That number will DEFINITELY go UP after playing Madison. No way SV holds Madison to 1 TD. SV has given up big plays lately, but none really that resulted in a TD. Their defense has had a "bend, but don't break" attitude since district started. Even when teams get into scoring position on them, SV typically comes up with a big sack to take the opponent out of FG range or block a FG to keep the opposition from scoring altogether.
Madison is definitely the best offense SV has seen to this point, but SV will be the best defense Madison has seen to this point. And last time Madison played a good defensive team (New Braunfels) they squeaked out a win. Problem is that New Braunfels is a much weaker offensive team than SV.
Both teams will hve multiple scores, but I think SV takes this one by a FG 27 to 24.
I think it will come down to who is better at putting the ball in the endzone. I can't say that SV's defense is better than NB's, but they aren't far off. In any case, I don't think SV can keep Madison out of the endzone and I don't think that SV is as proficient at scoring as Madison is.
Still, SV has a very good defense and Madison won't get the offensive numbers its used to. This will be a game the whole state should tune in to.
Bottomline
10-04-2008, 02:46 PM
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sv has played great defense and madison has not yet seen a defense this good.....
Seems like the Mav's see this quote EVERY week ... Started with Kerville, followed by NB and lastly Mac.
bobcat83
10-04-2008, 04:42 PM
Seems like the Mav's see this quote EVERY week ... Started with Kerville, followed by NB and lastly Mac.
That's because they are on top! Everyone who is not a Madison supporter and even some Madsion fans will try and point out a factor that may make it difficult for them-the other teams defense etc...
With Kerville it was offense-thats true they probably will not face another offense as good as Kerville's in the regular season.
With NB it was defense-probably thebest overall defense they will face.
Mac-? They were a product of playing really good against some bad teams.They are a good team but not near the 100 somethig to 7 their first 3 games showed.
Against SV they will face the best balanced team they have played all year.
The best special teams play, a very good defense so far( 31 point given up in 4 district games) and an offense that is getting better each week.
SV will face by far the best offense it has or will see.
Offense-Madsion
Defense-SV
Special Teams-SV
Should be fun to watch.
Oh and one other point-I know Mac's recievers aren't Askew but their height was a non factor.Fortunatley 3 of SV's DB'S are 6'1" or taller which will help.
Bottomline
10-04-2008, 06:52 PM
Hopefully we'll FINALLY see someone kick/punt the ball to the Green's . no telling how good the Mav's special teams are because after their first few returns, everyone quit kicking to them ... SV has a Filed goal kicker that is going to win some games for them. That kid is SOLID and will almost always produce great positive results. I'm REALLY curious if Hill will allow the Green's to return a few. If he doesn't, hey that's just smart football. Good Luck to all !
rangerpride
10-04-2008, 09:02 PM
Hopefully we'll FINALLY see someone kick/punt the ball to the Green's . no telling how good the Mav's special teams are because after their first few returns, everyone quit kicking to them ... SV has a Filed goal kicker that is going to win some games for them. That kid is SOLID and will almost always produce great positive results. I'm REALLY curious if Hill will allow the Green's to return a few. If he doesn't, hey that's just smart football. Good Luck to all !
I can almost GUARANTEE YOU that Coach Hill will not kick the ball to the Greens, especially the younger one. He will probably have the kicker kick a high mid range kick toward one sideline, so the kickoff coverage has time to surround the returner just as he cathes the ball.
Hill is not stupid, he'd rather give Madison the ball on the 30 than kick it to the 5 and watch Green run it back to mid-field or BETTER.
mad_fan
10-04-2008, 09:34 PM
SV has played the other 2 Top 4 teams in district except for Madison (Reagan, New Braunfels) to this point and played a tough Judson team. Madison has yet to be tested by a Top 4 team in district, except for New Braunfels, who gave them a good close game.
defensively and at this point that favors SV.
I love common opponent comparisons...
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Roos 12...
Reagan 7...
Didnt you guys lose to Reagan???
Does that mean Roosevelt is the best n 265???:eek:
nvm...We beat Tivy...;)
saMavsFan
10-04-2008, 09:44 PM
I love common opponent comparisons...
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Roos 12...
Reagan 7...
Didnt you guys lose to Reagan???
Does that mean Roosevelt is the best n 265???:eek:
nvm...We beat Tivy...;)
LOL:notworthy:notworthy Seriously, in this district!! There is NO comparing common opponents. No telling who will do what week to week. You just plain have to wait and see when you play.
bobcat83
10-04-2008, 10:09 PM
I can almost GUARANTEE YOU that Coach Hill will not kick the ball to the Greens, especially the younger one. He will probably have the kicker kick a high mid range kick toward one sideline, so the kickoff coverage has time to surround the returner just as he cathes the ball.
Hill is not stupid, he'd rather give Madison the ball on the 30 than kick it to the 5 and watch Green run it back to mid-field or BETTER.
He probably won't kick it to Askew either.He is one of the few HC that handles the special teams like he does-himself.
shooter
10-04-2008, 10:23 PM
He probably won't kick it to Askew either.He is one of the few HC that handles the special teams like he does-himself.
Let me tell you what Hill will do because I have seen it for 2 years now against Madison. He will kick the ball every way you can through out the game. He will squib-kick it once to the left side, he will pop it up short to the right, he will onside when you don't think he will, He will kick it deap with the wind at his back. It's the same game plan every year. Once you see the squib the kids think that's what's coming next but it's not. It is very effective against Madison because it keeps Madison guessing and not thinking about counting and blocking.
saMavsFan
10-04-2008, 10:23 PM
He probably won't kick it to Askew either.He is one of the few HC that handles the special teams like he does-himself.
Well on the other side of Askew will be Kevin Cortez or Tommy Saunders. But that's Madison for you. You don't have a lot of options in the kicking game. You said it before though. High, short, and to the sideline to allow for coverage. That's the only way to do it this season.
shooter
10-04-2008, 10:29 PM
Well on the other side of Askew will be Kevin Cortez or Tommy Saunders. But that's Madison for you. You don't have a lot of options in the kicking game. You said it before though. High, short, and to the sideline to allow for coverage. That's the only way to do it this season.
I would on-side every time. It's not like your worried about Madison killing you with it's stellar kicking game.
chainsaw83
10-05-2008, 12:02 AM
seriously, why doesn't Madison have an open tryout with the boys and girls soccer team to see who can kick a football thru the uprights the furthest and most consistently and suit them up just to kick the dang ball?
we've had soccer players as our kickers before. why aren't they doing that this year?!
I'm sick of seeing this team miss extra points. this problem is going to bite them in the A$$ at some point this season. this is a serious issue that needs to be resolved. how is it that every other school in this city has a dependable kicker, but the ONE school that has arguably the most talent in the area can't come up with a kid who can consistently put the ball thru the uprights.
Why is this always a problem for Madison? It just doesn't make sense to me. Who was the last REALLY good kicker Madison had? Brandon Logan? Maybe? I mean, even HE missed at least ONE PAT that I can remember.
saMavsFan
10-05-2008, 12:18 AM
seriously, why doesn't Madison have an open tryout with the boys and girls soccer team to see who can kick a football thru the uprights the furthest and most consistently and suit them up just to kick the dang ball?
we've had soccer players as our kickers before. why aren't they doing that this year?!
I'm sick of seeing this team miss extra points. this problem is going to bite them in the A$$ at some point this season. this is a serious issue that needs to be resolved. how is it that every other school in this city has a dependable kicker, but the ONE school that has arguably the most talent in the area can't come up with a kid who can consistently put the ball thru the uprights.
Why is this always a problem for Madison? It just doesn't make sense to me. Who was the last REALLY good kicker Madison had? Brandon Logan? Maybe? I mean, even HE missed at least ONE PAT that I can remember.
:Censor: We all remember THAT PAT! That one still stings...28-27. But he was our most dependable kicker in recent memory. What about Leo? Leo booms the ball on punts. Wonder if they've ever tried him.
I agree though, this is a problem. A ridiculous problem. Unless we start going for two every time, it's going to catch up to us. At least its still good when you only get in half the time when going for two. Seriously though, Streety, if you're reading this, open tryouts for kickers please.
wizenbud
10-05-2008, 02:07 AM
seriously, why doesn't Madison have an open tryout with the boys and girls soccer team to see who can kick a football thru the uprights the furthest and most consistently and suit them up just to kick the dang ball?
we've had soccer players as our kickers before. why aren't they doing that this year?!
I'm sick of seeing this team miss extra points. this problem is going to bite them in the A$$ at some point this season. this is a serious issue that needs to be resolved. how is it that every other school in this city has a dependable kicker, but the ONE school that has arguably the most talent in the area can't come up with a kid who can consistently put the ball thru the uprights.
Why is this always a problem for Madison? It just doesn't make sense to me. Who was the last REALLY good kicker Madison had? Brandon Logan? Maybe? I mean, even HE missed at least ONE PAT that I can remember.
Madison has a kicker on the team that they haven't even tried. Rashad Strong, the LB, kicked FG's and pat's in middle school @ Krueger. He can kick the stuffing out of the ball. Somebody should tell the coaching staff.
But, because I told ya'll, he can't kick vs TR, cool ?? :p
saMavsFan
10-05-2008, 08:07 PM
Madison has a kicker on the team that they haven't even tried. Rashad Strong, the LB, kicked FG's and pat's in middle school @ Krueger. He can kick the stuffing out of the ball. Somebody should tell the coaching staff.
But, because I told ya'll, he can't kick vs TR, cool ?? :p
Wonder if the coaches know this? He's a pretty darn good linebacker, so maybe they don't want to risk him getting hurt on a kick. How embarrassing would that be!?! But, whoever we do wind up using has to get the job done.
Taylor Cowart is going to pin us deep on every kick-off. He has the leg to put it in the endzone every time and he won't miss a PAT. With us missing kicks all on our own, SV's blocked punt/PATs per game ratio might go down.:rolleyes:
rangerpride
10-05-2008, 11:06 PM
I love common opponent comparisons...
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Roos 12...
Reagan 7...
Didnt you guys lose to Reagan???
Does that mean Roosevelt is the best n 265???:eek:
nvm...We beat Tivy...;)
:rolleyes:Geez, do I need to simplify it for you, or what?
Go back and read my original post.
I wasn't using the "common opponent" as a reason why SV will beat Madison. I was using it to argue the fact that Madison's defense hasn't "improved" as much as some are claiming it has.
Hypothetical: If Madison had played Johnson and Lee in the first 2 district games and wins both games 50-0 does that mean their defense is better than SV's who played Roosevelt and MacArthur and wins 28-14 and 30-7?
Here are the facts, do what you want with them:
Against teams with a winning record, Madison's D has allowed:
28 vs. OConnor
56 vs. Tivy
21 vs. New Braunfels
28 vs. Mac
They allowed 13 vs Johnson, but any decent can hold a new school to 2 TDs or less.
So I'm failing to see an improvement in Madison's D. Yet some think Madison will hold SV to 14 or less, when their best defensive effort was against a New Braunfels team that struggles to score against decent teams (21 vs. Madison and 7 vs. SV, (their other district opponents were Churchill and Lee, hardly defensive juggernauts).
SV's D vs. teams with winning records:
13 vs. Judson
10 vs. Reagan
7 vs. NB
7 vs. Mac
The 2 defenses don't compare...
Madison has the clear advantage on offense... HANDS DOWN.
but SV has the advantage on Defense and special teams play.
Other than last years' playoff game, the team that wins the special teams battle has won this game historically, dating back to the botched EP by Madison in the dome in their first meeting.
Gotta go with SV in this case. I'll be there to watch it play out, win or lose, it's gonna be the biggest district game of the year for both teams!
SVite
10-05-2008, 11:29 PM
I think it will come down to who is better at putting the ball in the endzone. I can't say that SV's defense is better than NB's, but they aren't far off. In any case, I don't think SV can keep Madison out of the endzone and I don't think that SV is as proficient at scoring as Madison is.
Still, SV has a very good defense and Madison won't get the offensive numbers its used to. This will be a game the whole state should tune in to.
SV`s defense is better than NB`s period. SV is really balanced right now in every area of the game. I thought with the size of Mac that it was gonna be a war, but SV has heart, and just dominated. They dominated Mac, like Mad did`nt, until the 4th qrt. Mad, and Mac had a shoot out, there wont be any shoot out with this SV defense. IMO
saMavsFan
10-05-2008, 11:35 PM
SV`s defense is better than NB`s period. SV is really balanced right now in every area of the game. I thought with the size of Mac that it was gonna be a war, but SV has heart, and just dominated. They dominated Mac, like Mad did`nt, until the 4th qrt. Mad, and Mac had a shoot out, there wont be any shoot out with this SV defense. IMO
That's something to consider. You think Mac has size. The only spot Mac has size is their receiving corps. If you thought that O/D lines were going to be hard to get through, what will you think of Madison's O/D lines that are even bigger?
SV did it against Judson. That should be your argument.
BandidoNB
10-06-2008, 12:13 AM
I dont know who to root for :confused: I guess Im going to root for SV. Dont want to be in a tiebraker situation against SV with their 13 pt win against NB.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 08:01 AM
SV has played the other 2 Top 4 teams in district except for Madison (Reagan, New Braunfels) to this point and played a tough Judson team. Madison has yet to be tested by a Top 4 team in district, except for New Braunfels, who gave them a good close game.
I don't think that Madison's defense has improved as much as some of you claim. I think it is mainly due to playing weaker teams that it gives off the impression of an improved defense. People were in awe of MacArthur's D (and so-called "unstoppable" offense too) early on too when they had outscored opponents like 90-10 in the first 3 games, but they had not played any great teams. Then SV plastered them 30-7 and kept their unstoppable offense from scoring in the 2nd half. The point is weaknesses are masked when you play weak competition and they get exposed by good teams.
I still think this game will come down to who can get the most stops defensively and at this point that favors SV.
SV is averaging 8ppg allowed in district play. That number will DEFINITELY go UP after playing Madison. No way SV holds Madison to 1 TD. SV has given up big plays lately, but none really that resulted in a TD. Their defense has had a "bend, but don't break" attitude since district started. Even when teams get into scoring position on them, SV typically comes up with a big sack to take the opponent out of FG range or block a FG to keep the opposition from scoring altogether.
Madison is definitely the best offense SV has seen to this point, but SV will be the best defense Madison has seen to this point. And last time Madison played a good defensive team (New Braunfels) they squeaked out a win. Problem is that New Braunfels is a much weaker offensive team than SV.
Both teams will hve multiple scores, but I think SV takes this one by a FG 27 to 24.
Nice post! try and keep up my friend...madison on the turf and Madison on long grass two different types of games...Madison is fixing to put a hurting on the SV egos....Just my humble opinion though
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 08:15 AM
Here is the final tally for those who need some insight: For SV to beat Madison it is going to take Madison having a few turnovers. Madison will have to not tackle well, Madison will have to have injuries. If these things happen then SV has a chance to win. If everything plays itself out and no flukes happen, then Madison will win by 10 or more points. The bottom line to it all is that Madison can score points, they will really score points on the turf at Comalander. So if you think that SV can keep up on the scoreboad then give em a chance to win the game, but like I said if there are no flukes and everything plays equal SV will just not be able to keep up IMO. This is not your typical offense you see everyday...they have multiple difference makers on the offensive side of the ball...something that SV has yet to see. So saying that Madison has yet to play a d like SV is crazy..NB has a very good defense and playing in NB is tough to do...Here kitty kitty kitty, come get some
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 08:18 AM
Nice post! try and keep up my friend...madison on the turf and Madison on long grass two different types of games...Madison is fixing to put a hurting on the SV egos....Just my humble opinion though
Here you go again...and not everyone has an ego at SV-if yo uactually new them you would be really suprised!
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 08:23 AM
Here is the final tally for those who need some insight: For SV to beat Madison it is going to take Madison having a few turnovers. Madison will have to not tackle well, Madison will have to have injuries. If these things happen then SV has a chance to win. If everything plays itself out and no flukes happen, then Madison will win by 10 or more points. The bottom line to it all is that Madison can score points, they will really score points on the turf at Comalander. So if you think that SV can keep up on the scoreboad then give em a chance to win the game, but like I said if there are no flukes and everything plays equal SV will just not be able to keep up IMO. This is not your typical offense you see everyday...they have multiple difference makers on the offensive side of the ball...something that SV has yet to see. So saying that Madison has yet to play a d like SV is crazy..NB has a very good defense and playing in NB is tough to do...Here kitty kitty kitty, come get some
Don't worry the boys will show up at Commalander even though they don't have a chance unless Madison screws up.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 08:23 AM
Here you go again...and not everyone has an ego at SV-if yoactually new them you would be really suprised!
i was not meaning this in a bad way...i was just saying egos as in bruising someones ego...I know sv will show up and play and i actually know several SV fans since i live about 7 miles from the school...Have a lot of respect for SV...I also know that your coach will do something tricky tricky...i bet sv onsides kicks at some point...goes for it on 4th down..they will pull out every trick you can to win...and they will need to. best of luck to sv
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 08:28 AM
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Don't worry the boys will show up at Commalander even though they don't have a chance unless Madison screws up.
My deal is this...I can't stand a fan that sits back and tries to play both sides of the fence..either believe your team is going to win and speak up before the game, state your point why and see the outcome...none of this well im going to play both sides and when the game is over say i knew it was going to happen..speak up now! be proud of your team, let me know why you think their going to win...that's all im doing..im saying come get some....I think Madison is a way better team then SV...I don't think it's as close as some might think..but that is my opinion and Im entitled to it...you have yours and I will listen...again...best of luck to sv
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 08:40 AM
My deal is this...I can't stand a fan that sits back and tries to play both sides of the fence..either believe your team is going to win and speak up before the game, state your point why and see the outcome...none of this well im going to play both sides and when the game is over say i knew it was going to happen..speak up now! be proud of your team, let me know why you think their going to win...that's all im doing..im saying come get some....I think Madison is a way better team then SV...I don't think it's as close as some might think..but that is my opinion and Im entitled to it...you have yours and I will listen...again...best of luck to sv
I don't make predictons but do back my team an state my opinions.
Yes I do think SV can win and they are much better than people think.But speed can kill and if Madison scores in 2-3 play drives several times it will not be pretty.SV will have to make them work for it.
For SV to win they will have to play SV football-defensive stops,special teams,a few explosive plays on offense and control the clock-sounds cliche
but thats how they win-it's not a big secret.They have improved each game so we will see.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 09:39 AM
I don't make predictons but do back my team an state my opinions.
Yes I do think SV can win and they are much better than people think.But speed can kill and if Madison scores in 2-3 play drives several times it will not be pretty.SV will have to make them work for it.
For SV to win they will have to play SV football-defensive stops,special teams,a few explosive plays on offense and control the clock-sounds cliche
but thats how they win-it's not a big secret.They have improved each game so we will see.
If SV can slow the game down? and that's a big if, they will have a chance...if Madison gets up early it's over..but that's a big if and since Madison usually is not a first half team, i am asking for a lot, but talking to some of the boy's they are extremely pumped for this one...talking about wanting some respect and having to go out and earn it..which i agree with...Going to be a great game!!! you will see me there watching the game at the 50 yard line with my longhorn 3 shirt on and Maverick hat...be happy to buy you some popcorn and take in the game...it will be funnnnnnnnn
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 09:53 AM
Let's look at the matchups/comparisons
QB Gutierrez(Mad) / Brown (SV) pretty even
RB Green /Reinhart Edge Madison but Reinhart has had success against
Madison and Green is young and has been known to fumble.This is the
biggest game he has played in.
WR Askew/Cody Mathews I say even-both 6'4" Askew has the bulk-
Mathews is faster and is involved in the running game
OL Maybe an edge to Madison but tough to tell-Green doesnt need a line
at times
Punters-both are effective
Place Kicker-Cowart SV -a huge advantage
Dline-Edge SV
Linebackers-Even -Catlin is a beast but SV's are always in posistion
Secondary-Overall SV-I know Green and Lara are good but Ryan Wood and
Zach Craig(CB) matchup very well.
Return Teams-Madison although Reinhart can hurt you
Other special teams-Huge edge SV
Coaching-SV
Intangibles-Madison can carry over the confidence of beating them 2 times last year.
Just my opinion-has the making of a very good game.
StrongDog
10-06-2008, 10:04 AM
Its always a good game when these teams meet.
But I have to give the edge to SV.
I don't see Hill losing three in a row here. He will throw something at Madison on offense. The SV defense has great speed. But on that defense you cant tell the difference in the DBs and the DEs. They will be flying to the ball. SV always plays good on special teams.
But just my opinion.
Posted this on another thread as well:
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/hssports/2008/09/madisons_green_catches_espns_e.html
Kinda cool.
Fleeman93
10-06-2008, 11:31 AM
I will take SV. SV has at least as good of a defense than NB and NB held Madison fairly well. SV has a better more balanced offense than NB and NB almost did enough to win against Madison. Had it not been for a few mental mistakes then NB could have won that game and SV is better and will most likely make less mental mistakes. SV's special teams advantage will be obvious and huge in this one.
For people to think that that Madison is going to score 100 times a quarter is crazy...If there is one thing the SV team is going to do its control the clock.SV can pretty much do what they want with the Madison defense from what I have seen and they will eat the clock up. The key to this game is keeping the Madison offense off off the field.
Bottomline
10-06-2008, 11:51 AM
For people to think that that Madison is going to score 100 times a quarter is crazy...If there is one thing the SV team is going to do its control the clock.SV can pretty much do what they want with the Madison defense from what I have seen and they will eat the clock up. The key to this game is keeping the Madison offense off off the field.
OMG, CKE and I agree on something. You are absolutely right, their best defense will be their offense ... Oh, Green is not known to fumble the ball, he's only had one fumble this year. Troy Williams, is the one you may be talking about. Williams holds on to the ball very well and is a more physical runner ( more like Barber ) but has had a few fumbles this year. The Mav's, with Williams and Green may very well have two 1,000 yd rushers for the next two years. The scary thing is if they decide to move the other sophmore Lara back to QB and run a veer. Talked to an ***'t last week and he was telling me that between the three of them in middle school, they had almost 60 td's as featured RB's on their respective teams. Says Lara has a great arm and maybe moving him back into the backfield with Green and Williams, SCARY. ... Back to Friday night .... Hopefully there will be good weather so the game can be decided on the field. Get there early !
StrongDog
10-06-2008, 12:29 PM
For people to think that that Madison is going to score 100 times a quarter is crazy...If there is one thing the SV team is going to do its control the clock.SV can pretty much do what they want with the Madison defense from what I have seen and they will eat the clock up. The key to this game is keeping the Madison offense off off the field.
I think its crazy too. Madison will try to establish the ground game, and I think SV will stack up good to the run, unless Devin Thomas is carrying the ball. I don't believe Madison will run the ball as effectively as is predicted.
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 12:36 PM
For people to think that that Madison is going to score 100 times a quarter is crazy...If there is one thing the SV team is going to do its control the clock.SV can pretty much do what they want with the Madison defense from what I have seen and they will eat the clock up. The key to this game is keeping the Madison offense off off the field.
This played out very effectively against Mac. Granted, Mac had about 5 or 6 posessions to score and SV didn't let them. But, if Madison can score, SV won't be able to just run the clock. If this gets to a situation where SV has to do any catching up, their offense is much less effective. So if SV can score on their opening drive, limit Madison's points on their opening drive, then they can eat up clock in a long scoring drive. By that time, most of the first half would be over. That's tough to defend.
But remember, Madison is not Mac. SV will have to stop a lot more offensive weapons. Playing against Mac means containing their QB. If you focus too much on containing any one part of Madison's offense, you'll get burned. This game will be very close IMO. But I give the edge to Madison because there are too many people who can score consistently to keep the Mavs off the scoreboard. SV will have to to win this game.
I think its crazy too. Madison will try to establish the ground game, and I think SV will stack up good to the run, unless Devin Thomas is carrying the ball. I don't believe Madison will run the ball as effectively as is predicted.
People jump on me for saying AG is not as good as advertised.I think by the time he is a senior he will be one of the best backs to ever go through the SA area but the fact is he scored his 9 TD's against a pretty bad Tivy defense and carried the ball almost every play. since his great performance against Tivy he has not done that well against teams with a decent defense. ) TD's against NB and MAC shows that.Now that being said. I think he WILL have at least 2 against SV.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 01:03 PM
This played out very effectively against Mac. Granted, Mac had about 5 or 6 posessions to score and SV didn't let them. But, if Madison can score, SV won't be able to just run the clock. If this gets to a situation where SV has to do any catching up, their offense is much less effective. So if SV can score on their opening drive, limit Madison's points on their opening drive, then they can eat up clock in a long scoring drive. By that time, most of the first half would be over. That's tough to defend.
But remember, Madison is not Mac. SV will have to stop a lot more offensive weapons. Playing against Mac means containing their QB. If you focus too much on containing any one part of Madison's offense, you'll get burned. This game will be very close IMO. But I give the edge to Madison because there are too many people who can score consistently to keep the Mavs off the scoreboard. SV will have to to win this game.
Just as Madison will have to WIN this game.If SV's offensive execution improves as it has been then maybe they can score 30-35.It all boils down to who executes their plan the best.SV has more offensive weapons than you might think.Just not one that stands out.SV's backs have averaged 6.06 yds per carry-Green/Williams 8.81 per carry.Cody Mathews and Aksew both averaging 15-16yds per receptions om 21 and 22 catches respectively.QB's both at 60% completion but Brown has proven to be a threat running lately.Remember they had 1 starter back-now they have some games under their belt.
Bottomline
10-06-2008, 01:18 PM
People jump on me for saying AG is not as good as advertised.I think by the time he is a senior he will be one of the best backs to ever go through the SA area but the fact is he scored his 9 TD's against a pretty bad Tivy defense and carried the ball almost every play. since his great performance against Tivy he has not done that well against teams with a decent defense. ) TD's against NB and MAC shows that.Now that being said. I think he WILL have at least 2 against SV.
CKE, In the Tivy game Green sat out all of the 3rd quarter except for maybe one series. He only went back in after Williams got hurt and went on to play the rest of the 4th of which Tivy dominated time of possesion. Though he didn't have score against NB, he still was far from being shut down. He still finished with just over 200 yds TOTAL offense and he accounted for a 45-50 yd touchdown pass. Green can throw the ball on a rope and can toss it 55 plus yds easily. You gotta admit, the kid is truely amazing especially when everyone in the stadium knows who's getting the ball on certain downs. Plus he's an excellent reciever. That catch against Mac and Tivy he made an over the shoulder catch with his arms exctended. Still has a way to go but by the time it's all over with he has a great chance to rewrite the record books.
#1texasgreat
10-06-2008, 01:39 PM
Here is the final tally for those who need some insight: For SV to beat Madison it is going to take Madison having a few turnovers. Madison will have to not tackle well, Madison will have to have injuries. If these things happen then SV has a chance to win. If everything plays itself out and no flukes happen, then Madison will win by 10 or more points. The bottom line to it all is that Madison can score points, they will really score points on the turf at Comalander. So if you think that SV can keep up on the scoreboad then give em a chance to win the game, but like I said if there are no flukes and everything plays equal SV will just not be able to keep up IMO. This is not your typical offense you see everyday...they have multiple difference makers on the offensive side of the ball...something that SV has yet to see. So saying that Madison has yet to play a d like SV is crazy..NB has a very good defense and playing in NB is tough to do...Here kitty kitty kitty, come get some
both sides have valid arguments i think.....i think there is no way in hell that madison will hold sv to under 20 points....and i think madison will have a hard time against sv's defense, they havent seen this defense yet.....they are the best defense in the district no questions asked....they will probably still bust a big play maybe two sv usually has that happen i just dont see madison beating sv in this one.....
u think its going to take an act of god for sv to win this game?.....if ne team has turnovers, doesnt tackle well, and loses starters.....ur usually gonna lose the game that was a stupid argument...sv special teams rocks madisons which whether u like to admit plays a huge part in games. sv's defense rocks madisons defense, and im not even gonna say madison has a better offense, more explosive....yes, but better?idk about that.....sv will win this game by a possession if not 2 possessions.......turnovers, missed tackles, and injuries are not flukes, its part of the game......
nb does have a good defense justr not as good against sv.....hince the reason they have not seen a defense this good....
Shadowweaver
10-06-2008, 01:59 PM
both sides have valid arguments i think.....i think there is no way in hell that madison will hold sv to under 20 points....and i think madison will have a hard time against sv's defense, they havent seen this defense yet.....they are the best defense in the district no questions asked....they will probably still bust a big play maybe two sv usually has that happen i just dont see madison beating sv in this one.....
u think its going to take an act of god for sv to win this game?.....if ne team has turnovers, doesnt tackle well, and loses starters.....ur usually gonna lose the game that was a stupid argument...sv special teams rocks madisons which whether u like to admit plays a huge part in games. sv's defense rocks madisons defense, and im not even gonna say madison has a better offense, more explosive....yes, but better?idk about that.....sv will win this game by a possession if not 2 possessions.......turnovers, missed tackles, and injuries are not flukes, its part of the game......
nb does have a good defense justr not as good against sv.....hince the reason they have not seen a defense this good....
hmmmm
just to add some flame to the fire....
if New Braunfels is the yardstick being most used, here's a fun stat:
in Smithson Valley's 20-7 win over NB, the SV offense only managed to score one offensive touchdown on the NB defense.
in Madison's 24-21 win of NB, the Madison offense scored two offensive touchdowns against the NB defense.
spar away!
J-Rock Mom
10-06-2008, 02:19 PM
I really don't think this game will be a blow out on either side. I think SV and Madison have really good teams and it is hard to call. I just have a slight feeling that Madison will come out with a win, but it will be very very close.
Best of luck to both teams for a clean and non injury game.
Bottomline
10-06-2008, 02:20 PM
Another thing also is that Wort sat out most of the SV game. That's 14-17 tackles sitting and watching and having offenses run plays away from him ... Wort makes coaches change game plans because of him. Most teams would rather play NB with Wort out of the game.
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 02:30 PM
hmmmm
just to add some flame to the fire....
if New Braunfels is the yardstick being most used, here's a fun stat:
in Smithson Valley's 20-7 win over NB, the SV offense only managed to score one offensive touchdown on the NB defense.
in Madison's 24-21 win of NB, the Madison offense scored two offensive touchdowns against the NB defense.
spar away!
Also, when Madison played NB, we played against Mr. Wort (and he IS a factor since he manages to get to the ball way too often!!).
SV offense did not have to deal with Mr. Wort.
And didn't SV have 3 FG's in the game with Mac? or do I have wrong information? That means Mac defense was able to hold SV offense.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 02:30 PM
Another thing also is that Wort sat out most of the SV game. That's 14-17 tackles sitting and watching and having offenses run plays away from him ... Wort makes coaches change game plans because of him. Most teams would rather play NB with Wort out of the game.
He missed parts of the Madison game also and wasn't close to 100% when he came back in!
Madison fans don't think SV can score enough points to beat the Madison offense.
SV fans don't think Madison will go on a wild scoring spree and we can score enough.
The way the poll looks-it's going to be split down the middle!
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 02:32 PM
hmmmm
just to add some flame to the fire....
if New Braunfels is the yardstick being most used, here's a fun stat:
in Smithson Valley's 20-7 win over NB, the SV offense only managed to score one offensive touchdown on the NB defense.
in Madison's 24-21 win of NB, the Madison offense scored two offensive touchdowns against the NB defense.
spar away!
That is a very good point, and with Wort on the sideline for the majority of the game. Still, I also see SV's defensive and special teams abilities coming into play on this. I think Madison will win, but I don't think anyone will say the district is decided on this game. It will be too close to call at the end and only the scoreboard will tell the difference. SV still has a strong Roosevelt to play. Madison has Roosevelt and Reagan after SV. But, I think Madison will go a long way to putting their stamp on as district champs if we can pull this one out. Madison by a TD.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 02:35 PM
hmmmm
just to add some flame to the fire....
if New Braunfels is the yardstick being most used, here's a fun stat:
in Smithson Valley's 20-7 win over NB, the SV offense only managed to score one offensive touchdown on the NB defense.
in Madison's 24-21 win of NB, the Madison offense scored two offensive touchdowns against the NB defense.
spar away!
Madison won 24-21 3 points
SV won 20-7 13 points
so that means we will win by 10 right?:)
Also, when Madison played NB, we played against Mr. Wort (and he IS a factor since he manages to get to the ball way too often!!).
SV offense did not have to deal with Mr. Wort.
And didn't SV have 3 FG's in the game with Mac? or do I have wrong information? That means Mac defense was able to hold SV offense.
Yes but MAC's defense is on another level compared to Madisons
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 02:45 PM
He missed parts of the Madison game also and wasn't close to 100% when he came back in!
Madison fans don't think SV can score enough points to beat the Madison offense.
SV fans don't think Madison will go on a wild scoring spree and we can score enough.
The way the poll looks-it's going to be split down the middle!
I think Wort went out in the 4th quarter, if I remember correctly. Tried to come back in once, but couldn't stay.
It's definitely going to be a GREAT GAME. Come early to get a good seat!! (not to mention parking).
I think Wort went out in the 4th quarter, if I remember correctly. Tried to come back in once, but couldn't stay.
It's definitely going to be a GREAT GAME. Come early to get a good seat!! (not to mention parking).
He tried to come back in twice and it was either late 3rd or early 4th.
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 02:48 PM
Madison won 24-21 3 points
SV won 20-7 13 points
so that means we will win by 10 right?:)
Yes. You have to account for total points put up, whether or not the offense did it. SV has an advantage against most teams they play in this aspect. Truly THE best special teams in the region, and perhaps the state. And, any way you look at it, SV was able to contain NB's offense much better than Madison did. I'm not a poster who doesn't have respect for SV, or any one of Madison's opponents.
Now, that being said, SV must give credit where credit is due also. They have not yet seen an offense like Madison's. That's been said, but take a look at the structure of the teams.
Mac- the majority of their offense has come from Clint Killough
NB- same thing but from Forrester
Judson- same thing but from Harris
Reagan- same thing, but from Walls
Johnson...nvm
But my point is that the teams SV has beaten have 1 offensive weapon. Mac has been the most multidimensional, but they hardly threw a pass. There is no one guy from Madison that you can point to to say, "Well we'll gaurd him and that will be the game." As many SV posters have said, there have been games when Aaron Green has not rushed for a touchdown.
Madison has too many offensive weapons. If SV keys on Aaron Green, they are going to lose...badly. If they try to spread their defense to cover everyone, Aaron Green will burn them.
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 02:53 PM
He tried to come back in twice and it was either late 3rd or early 4th.
I think that was more of an emotional lift. He really was hurt and didn't do much but hurt himself worse.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Yes. You have to account for total points put up, whether or not the offense did it. SV has an advantage against most teams they play in this aspect. Truly THE best special teams in the region, and perhaps the state. And, any way you look at it, SV was able to contain NB's offense much better than Madison did. I'm not a poster who doesn't have respect for SV, or any one of Madison's opponents.
Now, that being said, SV must give credit where credit is due also. They have not yet seen an offense like Madison's. That's been said, but take a look at the structure of the teams.
Mac- the majority of their offense has come from Clint Killough
NB- same thing but from Forrester
Judson- same thing but from Harris
Reagan- same thing, but from Walls
Johnson...nvm
But my point is that the teams SV has beaten have 1 offensive weapon. Mac has been the most multidimensional, but they hardly threw a pass. There is no one guy from Madison that you can point to to say, "Well we'll gaurd him and that will be the game." As many SV posters have said, there have been games when Aaron Green has not rushed for a touchdown.
Madison has too many offensive weapons. If SV keys on Aaron Green, they are going to lose...badly. If they try to spread their defense to cover everyone, Aaron Green will burn them.
So SV is doomed no matter what they do defensively? Yes it's the best offense they have seen.
So how does Madison keep SV from scoring or holding the ball for long periods of time?
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 03:00 PM
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So SV is doomed no matter what they do defensively? Yes it's the best offense they have seen.
So how does Madison keep SV from scoring or holding the ball for long periods of time?
By putting the ball into the endzone themselves. If Mac had been scoring, SV wouldn't have been able to control the clock, they would have had to score more.
That's a credit to the SV D. And while you guys say that SV's offense has improved, you say Madison's defense hasn't. I'm not saying we're stellar, but we have improved...just like SV's offense.
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 03:03 PM
My point about the SV Defense covering Madison was not that they're doomed no matter what they do. It's that they'll have to play a balanced defense, something they haven't had to do against teams with limited offensive choices.
#1texasgreat
10-06-2008, 03:27 PM
My point about the SV Defense covering Madison was not that they're doomed no matter what they do. It's that they'll have to play a balanced defense, something they haven't had to do against teams with limited offensive choices.
whos to say the SV D wasnt making those teams one dementional, u say they were all qb's that sv was containing, obviously if he couldnt throw it we had good coverage in the secondary, also sv has a good pass rush, trust sv will NOT key off of one player in the games. sv has a great defense its not that the other offenses had just one player...if the qb from nb could have gotten a pass off he would have.....bottom line sv hasnt seen an offense like madisons but madison hasnt seen a defense this good maybe even an offense this good....sv's offense is well balanced as well....its gonna be a good game either way and i have a great amount of respect for madison but people coming in here saying it takes an act of god for sv to win this game is ridiculous haha.....i still stand by sv in this game special teams is gonna be huge!
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 03:30 PM
whos to say the SV D wasnt making those teams one dementional, u say they were all qb's that sv was containing, obviously if he couldnt throw it we had good coverage in the secondary, also sv has a good pass rush, trust sv will NOT key off of one player in the games. sv has a great defense its not that the other offenses had just one player...if the qb from nb could have gotten a pass off he would have.....bottom line sv hasnt seen an offense like madisons but madison hasnt seen a defense this good maybe even an offense this good....sv's offense is well balanced as well....its gonna be a good game either way and i have a great amount of respect for madison but people coming in here saying it takes an act of god for sv to win this game is ridiculous haha.....i still stand by sv in this game special teams is gonna be huge!
how often has that ever made a difference in a SV/Madison game?...oh right;)
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 03:39 PM
My point about the SV Defense covering Madison was not that they're doomed no matter what they do. It's that they'll have to play a balanced defense, something they haven't had to do against teams with limited offensive choices.
I agree that they will have to play their best defensive game.Also I believe Madison will be facing the best offense they have faced( excluding Tivy of course)- a very plain balanced offense that has improved tremendously.Not near as good as last years but... Alot of weapons that don't show up in the papers with eye popping stats-Reinhart,Cody Mathews,Matt Hilston, Robbie Meckie,Garret Renken, Devin Baker and Jacob Brown.Not a superstar in the bunch but some pretty good football players.The O-line is starting to come around also.Just wanted to praise the boys a little! And the defense well-Mac drove down and scored on their first possesion-they made a few adjustments on the recievers and completley shut them down.
I just want this game to live up to it's hype and may the best team win.
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 03:59 PM
I want it to live up to the hype as well. I'd hate for something foolish to be the deciding factor. It'll be tough for these two teams to equal what we did in the dome last year, but it should be a great game anyway! GO MADISON, beat those Rangers!!!
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 04:06 PM
I want it to live up to the hype as well. I'd hate for something foolish to be the deciding factor. It'll be tough for these two teams to equal what we did in the dome last year, but it should be a great game anyway! GO MADISON, beat those Rangers!!!
Won't be equal-don't think SV will leave Askew alone with a small CB with no help! It does help that 3 of SV's Db's are 6'1" and the small one 5-8 frustrated the tall Mac recievers to death!
Actually we are thinking about suiting up CKE and letting him handle Askew for a while.I guarantee he would figure out something-there are lots of tricks a good db can use to get in a recievers head-bet he knows a few!
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 04:07 PM
Won't be equal-don't think SV will leave Askew alone with a small CB with no help! It does help that 3 of SV's Db's are 6'1" and the small one 5-8 frustrated the tall Mac recievers to death!
Actually we are thinking about suiting up CKE and letting him handle Askew for a while.I guarantee he would figure out something-there are lots of tricks a good db can use to get in a recievers head-bet he knows a few!
He can talk him to death!!:D Just kidding CKE, had to flip the pillow just once to the cold side.:notworthy
He can talk him to death!!:D Just kidding CKE, had to flip the pillow just once to the cold side.:notworthy
:mad:
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 06:37 PM
both sides have valid arguments i think.....i think there is no way in hell that madison will hold sv to under 20 points....and i think madison will have a hard time against sv's defense, they havent seen this defense yet.....they are the best defense in the district no questions asked....they will probably still bust a big play maybe two sv usually has that happen i just dont see madison beating sv in this one.....
u think its going to take an act of god for sv to win this game?.....if ne team has turnovers, doesnt tackle well, and loses starters.....ur usually gonna lose the game that was a stupid argument...sv special teams rocks madisons which whether u like to admit plays a huge part in games. sv's defense rocks madisons defense, and im not even gonna say madison has a better offense, more explosive....yes, but better?idk about that.....sv will win this game by a possession if not 2 possessions.......turnovers, missed tackles, and injuries are not flukes, its part of the game......
nb does have a good defense justr not as good against sv.....hince the reason they have not seen a defense this good....
denial is what you have here...but that is ok..not saying another comment on this...watch and see..catch you back here next week
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 06:44 PM
whos to say the SV D wasnt making those teams one dementional, u say they were all qb's that sv was containing, obviously if he couldnt throw it we had good coverage in the secondary, also sv has a good pass rush, trust sv will NOT key off of one player in the games. sv has a great defense its not that the other offenses had just one player...if the qb from nb could have gotten a pass off he would have.....bottom line sv hasnt seen an offense like madisons but madison hasnt seen a defense this good maybe even an offense this good....sv's offense is well balanced as well....its gonna be a good game either way and i have a great amount of respect for madison but people coming in here saying it takes an act of god for sv to win this game is ridiculous haha.....i still stand by sv in this game special teams is gonna be huge!
Madison has yet too see an offense as good as SV ???? you have to be kidding right?? TIVY WILL BLOW YOUR DOORS AWAY offensively...not a good comparison...however SV's defense is good..will be fun to watch..hoping the dreaded Special teams does not doom us as that is a huge advantage for SV...
rangerpride
10-06-2008, 07:10 PM
Here is the final tally for those who need some insight: For SV to beat Madison it is going to take Madison having a few turnovers. Madison will have to not tackle well, Madison will have to have injuries. If these things happen then SV has a chance to win. If everything plays itself out and no flukes happen, then Madison will win by 10 or more points. The bottom line to it all is that Madison can score points, they will really score points on the turf at Comalander. So if you think that SV can keep up on the scoreboad then give em a chance to win the game, but like I said if there are no flukes and everything plays equal SV will just not be able to keep up IMO. This is not your typical offense you see everyday...they have multiple difference makers on the offensive side of the ball...something that SV has yet to see. So saying that Madison has yet to play a d like SV is crazy..NB has a very good defense and playing in NB is tough to do...Here kitty kitty kitty, come get some
So basically, you are saying if SV wins, it's because of a fluke? Some respect...:rolleyes:
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 07:14 PM
So basically, you are saying if SV wins, it's because of a fluke? Some respect...:rolleyes:
I have a ton of respect for SV...heck their special teams dominate Madisons...point given to Sv for that...everything else is either equal or lopsided in Madison favor...I will be completely shocked if SV can keep Madison from scoring less then 30 plus points and I am really thinking it will be closer to mid to upper 40's.....If you think that SV's offense can score that many then SV Has a big shot at winning...I just think with the players on both sides that Madison has more difference makers...big time players...not that Sv doesnt have good players because they do...I just think they are good players not great players...however the game is played and i have seen worse upsets before..will not be shocked if SV wins the game..they have the abiltity too..just think it will be a fluke if they do...kinda like i thought it was a fluke that Sv lost to Reagan...SV is a better team then Reagan but they lost,,,it does happen
rangerpride
10-06-2008, 07:40 PM
I have a ton of respect for SV...heck their special teams dominate Madisons...point given to Sv for that...everything else is either equal or lopsided in Madison favor...I will be completely shocked if SV can keep Madison from scoring less then 30 plus points and I am really thinking it will be closer to mid to upper 40's.....If you think that SV's offense can score that many then SV Has a big shot at winning...I just think with the players on both sides that Madison has more difference makers...big time players...not that Sv doesnt have good players because they do...I just think they are good players not great players...however the game is played and i have seen worse upsets before..will not be shocked if SV wins the game..they have the abiltity too..just think it will be a fluke if they do...kinda like i thought it was a fluke that Sv lost to Reagan...SV is a better team then Reagan but they lost,,,it does happen
OK, so you DO think it will be a fluke if SV wins. SO it won't have anything to do with SV executing their gameplan better than Madison does, or Coach Hill outcoaching Coach Streety, as he has done MUCH more often than not? Right........
As to the first comment you made, what other aspects of the game are there, in your "opinion" other than coaching, offense, defense, and special teams? You say SV is better in special teams and Madison is "equal or better" in all other areas. Are you HONESTLY saying that Madison and SV are equal on defense or that Mdison has a better defense than SV??? Surely, unless you ask someone on the Madison team, you'll be hard pressed to find someone to agree with you on that statement...
Otherwise, that means SV is better on defense and special teams and coaching, and Madison is better on offense. SO in your mind, the best defense is a good offense, and if for some reason trying to outscore SV doesn't work, well, it must have been a fluke, because that's the only way SV wins....:rolleyes:
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 07:44 PM
OK, so you DO think it will be a fluke if SV wins. SO it won't have anything to do with SV executing their gameplan better than Madison does, or Coach Hill outcoaching Coach Streety, as he has done MUCH more often than not? Right........
As to the first comment you made, what other aspects of the game are there, in your "opinion" other than coaching, offense, defense, and special teams? You say SV is better in special teams and Madison is "equal or better" in all other areas. Are you HONESTLY saying that Madison and SV are equal on defense or that Mdison has a better defense than SV??? Surely, unless you ask someone on the Madison team, you'll be hard pressed to find someone to agree with you on that statement...
Otherwise, that means SV is better on defense and special teams and coaching, and Madison is better on offense. SO in your mind, the best defense is a good offense, and if for some reason trying to outscore SV doesn't work, well, it must have been a fluke, because that's the only way SV wins....:rolleyes:
You summed it up pretty much how i would expect a sv person to do so...and thats great..just don't be surprised when Madison puts a little thumping on sv..no big deal if they don't...but IMO the game line would be Madison minus 9...but im not a betting man..hehhehehehehehe..final score
Madison 46 ----3 missed extra points
SV 27 ---- they try and go for 2 point conversion late to catch up and dont make it
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 07:48 PM
OK, so you DO think it will be a fluke if SV wins. SO it won't have anything to do with SV executing their gameplan better than Madison does, or Coach Hill outcoaching Coach Streety, as he has done MUCH more often than not? Right........
As to the first comment you made, what other aspects of the game are there, in your "opinion" other than coaching, offense, defense, and special teams? You say SV is better in special teams and Madison is "equal or better" in all other areas. Are you HONESTLY saying that Madison and SV are equal on defense or that Mdison has a better defense than SV??? Surely, unless you ask someone on the Madison team, you'll be hard pressed to find someone to agree with you on that statement...
Otherwise, that means SV is better on defense and special teams and coaching, and Madison is better on offense. SO in your mind, the best defense is a good offense, and if for some reason trying to outscore SV doesn't work, well, it must have been a fluke, because that's the only way SV wins....:rolleyes:
Break it down this way:
qb ---Madison
Rb ---Madison
WR ---Madison
Ol ---Madison
Dl ---SV
LB ---Madison
DB ---SV
Special teams--SV SV SV SV SV
coaching--- equal you will say Hill is better but he has been choaking it up lately including the playoffs last year..be honest about that one.
So that is a lot more Madison there then SV...IMO of course
You summed it up pretty much how i would expect a sv person to do so...and thats great..just don't be surprised when Madison puts a little thumping on sv..no big deal if they don't...but IMO the game line would be Madison minus 9...but im not a betting man..hehhehehehehehe..final score
Madison 46 ----3 missed extra points
SV 27 ---- they try and go for 2 point conversion late to catch up and dont make it
Lack of football knowledge is a bad quality on a football board
Break it down this way:
qb ---Madison
Rb ---Madison
WR ---Madison
Ol ---Madison
Dl ---SV
LB ---Madison
DB ---SV
Special teams--SV SV SV SV SV
coaching--- equal you will say Hill is better but he has been choaking it up lately including the playoffs last year..be honest about that one.
So that is a lot more Madison there then SV...IMO of course
Assumptions are even worse than lack of football knowledge.That is what you have to be doing it you think that Coach Hill has any say so in what the defense of SV does.
rangerpride
10-06-2008, 08:02 PM
Break it down this way:
qb ---Madison
Rb ---Madison
WR ---Madison
Ol ---Madison
Dl ---SV
LB ---Madison
DB ---SV
Special teams--SV SV SV SV SV
coaching--- equal you will say Hill is better but he has been choaking it up lately including the playoffs last year..be honest about that one.
So that is a lot more Madison there then SV...IMO of course
I will admit Coach Hill has become more of a gambler lately, but he is still HEAD AND SHOULDERS better than Streety ever was. The big reason Madison was good defensively last year was the Defensive coordinator you had. Before he came along, when someone would talk about "defense," Streety would turn around and stare at the nearest chainlink fence to the field, because otherwise he had no idea what you were talking about when you mention that word.
Here's a question for you (honestly): If Hill and Streety switched teams, do you think Streety would have done a better job than Hill at SV.
I'll tell you my opinion, whether you want to hear it or not: Hill would have gotten a LOT more out of the athletes that have come through Madison than Streety ever did.
Most Madison posters on here would agree: if given the opportunity to trade Streety for Coach Hill, they would do the trade in a heartbeat.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 08:18 PM
I will admit Coach Hill has become more of a gambler lately, but he is still HEAD AND SHOULDERS better than Streety ever was. The big reason Madison was good defensively last year was the Defensive coordinator you had. Before he came along, when someone would talk about "defense," Streety would turn around and stare at the nearest chainlink fence to the field, because otherwise he had no idea what you were talking about when you mention that word.
Here's a question for you (honestly): If Hill and Streety switched teams, do you think Streety would have done a better job than Hill at SV.
I'll tell you my opinion, whether you want to hear it or not: Hill would have gotten a LOT more out of the athletes that have come through Madison than Streety ever did.
Most Madison posters on here would agree: if given the opportunity to trade Streety for Coach Hill, they would do the trade in a heartbeat.
You actually had me laughing pretty hard with the chain link fence comment that was funny as heck, and the reason why it was funny because its true..soo true..
Point 2 that you made was good, hill would have made Madsion better i would agree with that...Streety does do a good job of getting the good asst. in house...Streety is no rocket scientist but he is decent.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 08:21 PM
Assumptions are even worse than lack of football knowledge.That is what you have to be doing it you think that Coach Hill has any say so in what the defense of SV does.
What? i have no idea what your talking about...i will assume your talking about the playoff game last year...your defense wouldn't have lost the game if coach hill doesnt go for it on fourth down...if you take the field goal you would have won easy...you went for it on 4th and didnt make it turned all the momentum towards madison...Madison was a dead dog in the water and you would have only added to that with the field goal...the gamble cost SV the playoff game IMO.
OK, so you DO think it will be a fluke if SV wins. SO it won't have anything to do with SV executing their gameplan better than Madison does, or Coach Hill outcoaching Coach Streety, as he has done MUCH more often than not? Right........
As to the first comment you made, what other aspects of the game are there, in your "opinion" other than coaching, offense, defense, and special teams? You say SV is better in special teams and Madison is "equal or better" in all other areas. Are you HONESTLY saying that Madison and SV are equal on defense or that Mdison has a better defense than SV??? Surely, unless you ask someone on the Madison team, you'll be hard pressed to find someone to agree with you on that statement...
Otherwise, that means SV is better on defense and special teams and coaching, and Madison is better on offense. SO in your mind, the best defense is a good offense, and if for some reason trying to outscore SV doesn't work, well, it must have been a fluke, because that's the only way SV wins....:rolleyes:
It will be no fluke if they win rangerpride.And do not think that SV will not get the respect they deserve if they win.Longhorn would be the only Madison poster on this board if they did win.
What? i have no idea what your talking about...i will assume your talking about the playoff game last year...your defense wouldn't have lost the game if coach hill doesnt go for it on fourth down...if you take the field goal you would have won easy...you went for it on 4th and didnt make it turned all the momentum towards madison...Madison was a dead dog in the water and you would have only added to that with the field goal...the gamble cost SV the playoff game IMO.
Your going to but the blame on that one call why they lost the game.....Like I said lack of football knowledge...I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was not us double teaming the kid that Madison threw the ball to 4 times to score...but what do I know :rolleyes:
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 08:27 PM
Your going to but the blame on that one call why they lost the game.....Like I said lack of football knowledge...I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was not us double teaming the kid that Madison threw the ball to 4 times to score...but what do I know :rolleyes:
im not going to argue with you or insult your football knowledge...I said IMO that the gamble cost SV....that is not a lack of football knowledge..that is an opinion...
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 08:37 PM
now thats a surprise? i just saw on the power ranking thread that Madion's strength of schedule is better then SV...was not aware of that fact...interesting
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 09:04 PM
now thats a surprise? i just saw on the power ranking thread that Madion's strength of schedule is better then SV...was not aware of that fact...interesting
I think that's because O'Connor and Tivy have done better than Judson and Wagner so far.
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 09:11 PM
I'll be the first one to say that Madison has its faults. Special teams, sometimes iffy coaching decisions, and a defense that is improving but lacks the dominance that last year's had. There are no complaints to be made about our offense.
I'm not anti-SV in any way. I look forward to these games a lot. This district has been so much fun to watch. But, one thing I will say is that no one from SV is an SV critic. Most of us point out each teams strengths and weaknesses, but the majority of SV posts I've read from SV fans do not include any internal criticism. If you honestly see nothing wrong or improveable (don't know if that's a word), that's fine. But I think the reason some of us get up in arms about SV is a lack or shortage of self deprocation.
Just a thought, I'm really not trying to start anything. Actually trying to work some psychology and mend some fences amongst us 265'ers!
atwelljroc
10-06-2008, 09:15 PM
WOW this could go on for 50+ pages or until you all talked yourselves "orange" or "blue" in the face...that was a try at humor( I know, I am old and it was not that funny), but seriously(see how I turn that back around)...another try at humor...
Guys...this game is not going to be decided by us...the kids will go out there on Friday and play the game...the "GREAT GAME" called high school football...and odds are it will be that one little error or mistake that will decide this game...Both teams are playing very strong, much stronger than Judson(RIGHT NOW)..."any team can beat any other team on one given night, but that is what makes this game so Great...so lets just let them go out there and play it and see how it turns out...how about that??? All that agree, raise your hands(sorry)...:D:D:D
atwelljroc
10-06-2008, 09:17 PM
I'll be the first one to say that Madison has its faults. Special teams, sometimes iffy coaching decisions, and a defense that is improving but lacks the dominance that last year's had. There are no complaints to be made about our offense.
I'm not anti-SV in any way. I look forward to these games a lot. This district has been so much fun to watch. But, one thing I will say is that no one from SV is an SV critic. Most of us point out each teams strengths and weaknesses, but the majority of SV posts I've read from SV fans do not include any internal criticism. If you honestly see nothing wrong or improveable (don't know if that's a word), that's fine. But I think the reason some of us get up in arms about SV is a lack or shortage of self deprocation.
Just a thought, I'm really not trying to start anything. Actually trying to work some psychology and mend some fences amongst us 265'ers!
YEAH...what he said>>>
I'll be the first one to say that Madison has its faults. Special teams, sometimes iffy coaching decisions, and a defense that is improving but lacks the dominance that last year's had. There are no complaints to be made about our offense.
I'm not anti-SV in any way. I look forward to these games a lot. This district has been so much fun to watch. But, one thing I will say is that no one from SV is an SV critic. Most of us point out each teams strengths and weaknesses, but the majority of SV posts I've read from SV fans do not include any internal criticism. If you honestly see nothing wrong or improveable (don't know if that's a word), that's fine. But I think the reason some of us get up in arms about SV is a lack or shortage of self deprocation.
Just a thought, I'm really not trying to start anything. Actually trying to work some psychology and mend some fences amongst us 265'ers!
Your kidding right? We have done nothing but questioned SV all year and every game other than Reagan they have proved us wrong. I still question why we have had so many penalties and mental mistakes and even went as far as saying if we do not clean them up we flat out deserve to lose every game. Most of us have even expressed our lack of confidence in the O-line. Maybe you have not see it but we have been very critical of this years team and they have proven us wrong one almost all occasions.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 09:32 PM
Question for all SV fans? When SV loses what do you think will be their downfall? What I am asking is what will be your answer more then likely come this weekend? What part of the game is most likely to be the reason for the loss?
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 09:32 PM
Your kidding right? We have done nothing but questioned SV all year and every game other than Reagan they have proved us wrong. I still question why we have had so many penalties and mental mistakes and even went as far as saying if we do not clean them up we flat out deserve to lose every game. Most of us have even expressed our lack of confidence in the O-line. Maybe you have not see it but we have been very critical of this years team and they have proven us wrong one almost all occasions.
Well, I said the majority of posts, not all of them. I'll admit though, we Madison fans have been getting cocky too. I've read through every post in threads about these two teams... even the threads that turn into posts about these two teams. :D Every team's fans have this fault. Sometimes we get too bold, sometimes we don't show respect for other programs. Sometimes we ask for respect the teams have yet to earn. But, it's as atwell says (wise old man that he is ;)) it's about the teams.
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 09:34 PM
Question for all SV fans? When SV loses what do you think will be their downfall? What I am asking is what will be your answer more then likely come this weekend? What part of the game is most likely to be the reason for the loss?
CKE will be the first one to say it is because Madison outplayed SV.
I'm a true Madison fanatic! But if we lose, I'll be the first to say it was because SV outplayed us.
Question for all SV fans? When SV loses what do you think will be their downfall? What I am asking is what will be your answer more then likely come this weekend? What part of the game is most likely to be the reason for the loss?
How are we supposed to know that before the game is even played if SV even does lose...your just being just as disrespectful as ever..like always.You would think a ban and having every other Madison fan jump for joy when you got banned or tell you off at one time would encourage you to show a little class....I can assure you, not one of us is going to make a pre game prediction like you saying an SV win would be a fluke just to get a rise out of people like you do.
CKE will be the first one to say it is because Madison outplayed SV.
I'm a true Madison fanatic! But if we lose, I'll be the first to say it was because SV outplayed us.
Which is why you are one of the more liked Madison people on here and people show you a ton of respect.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 09:39 PM
I know I am one ole cocky son of a gun....I come off that way but really i do have a lot of respect for SV. I think more then any other team in the area that they play as a team...When Roosy, Madison, Judson and even Wagner have better athletes at almost every position, SV always manages to find away to win. They are what epitomizes a TEAM..You look up team in the dictionary and you will see SV football team picture...
I really can't believe i was being nice there, im going to have to go wash my mouth out with soap...aw yuck...
but is true what i said here...
Well, I said the majority of posts, not all of them. I'll admit though, we Madison fans have been getting cocky too. I've read through every post in threads about these two teams... even the threads that turn into posts about these two teams. :D Every team's fans have this fault. Sometimes we get too bold, sometimes we don't show respect for other programs. Sometimes we ask for respect the teams have yet to earn. But, it's as atwell says (wise old man that he is ;)) it's about the teams.
That old man is nuts :eek::D
atwelljroc
10-06-2008, 09:40 PM
I am going with my gut on this one(and it is a big one)...I say that if Brown does well at QB for SV...they win...so going with SV in a close one...:):)
Pray both teams play well & our Lord and Savior keeps them ALL safe!!!
atwelljroc
10-06-2008, 09:41 PM
That old man is nuts :eek::D
Why Yes, I am!!!:p:p
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 09:43 PM
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saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 09:44 PM
I know I am one ole cocky son of a gun....I come off that way but really i do have a lot of respect for SV. I think more then any other team in the area that they play as a team...When Roosy, Madison, Judson and even Wagner have better athletes at almost every position, SV always manages to find away to win. They are what epitomizes a TEAM..You look up team in the dictionary and you will see SV football team picture...
I really can't believe i was being nice there, im going to have to go wash my mouth out with soap...aw yuck...
but is true what i said here...
HEY! Don't you remember our WE IS THE KEY tshirts! :D
You are ignored here
You usually ignore my facts ;):D
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 09:50 PM
You usually ignore my facts ;):D
God bless you young man...your just a proud fan of SV...I sure hope for a good game and may the best team win.
God bless you young man...your just a proud fan of SV...I sure hope for a good game and may the best team win.
And god bless you our new angel of 5atexasfootball.I am a proud Sv fan...but I know how to show respect ot other teams as well ;)
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 09:53 PM
And god bless you our new angel of 5atexasfootball.I am a proud Sv fan...but I know how to show respect ot other teams as well ;)
That just makes you a better person then me...have mercy on my soul please...I am a repented sinner you know..I have found the errors of my ways..may the football gods show mercy on me...
That just makes you a better person then me...have mercy on my soul please...I am a repented sinner you know..I have found the errors of my ways..may the football gods show mercy on me...
Not saying I'm a better person but me showing respect is a better quality I have. I know how to win and lose with class I hope soon you will to and not be so overly sarcastic or you may not last long on this board as shooter pointed out to you.
saMavsFan
10-06-2008, 09:58 PM
Well, guess there's no avoiding it. CKE and longhorn3:
what in the world happened to the picture??
Well, guess there's no avoiding it. CKE and longhorn3:
http://www.dvdactive.com/images/news/screenshot/2006/7/oddcouplecover_copy0.jpg
Image fail :D
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Well, guess there's no avoiding it. CKE and longhorn3:
http://www.dvdactive.com/images/news/screenshot/2006/7/oddcouplecover_copy0.jpg
come on now im 6'4 and weigh 250..i stand no chance against an SV guy...but I a changed man now...Im a lover not a fighter..go SV ...see already changing my ways..im rooting for my opponet to do well
come on now im 6'4 and weigh 250..i stand no chance against an SV guy...but I a changed man now...Im a lover not a fighter..go SV ...see already changing my ways..im rooting for my opponet to do well
I'm sorry its just hard to believe when you already make predictions of how SV fans will reacting assuming we lose. It is pretty classless. But I really do hope you change for your sake
rangerpride
10-06-2008, 10:13 PM
Question for all SV fans? When SV loses what do you think will be their downfall? What I am asking is what will be your answer more then likely come this weekend? What part of the game is most likely to be the reason for the loss?
IF SV loses, it's due to a fluke...:rolleyes:
Is that what you wanted to hear? Hope I made you happy...
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:15 PM
I'm sorry its just hard to believe when you already make predictions of how SV fans will reacting assuming we lose. It is pretty classless. But I really do hope you change for your sake
Bless you child for your words of encouragement...what a wise young proud SV man you must be. I am sure your the pride of your community with all your kindness your sharing hear with us folk.
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:18 PM
you two should just rock the king size and get it over with. :rolleyes:
Bless you child for your words of encouragement...what a wise young proud SV man you must be. I am sure your the pride of your community with all your kindness your sharing hear with us folk.
Actually a lot of people in this community do know and like me that actually made me feel pretty good. Like I said hope you do change one day. You are already a grown man and conduct yourself in a very bad way on this board and hopefully that will change and you can bless me all you want but I will have nothing to do with the way you present yourself to everyone.
Will this game be televised by any chance? Sorry if it's been asked before, I haven't sat down to read through the thread yet.
you two should just rock the king size and get it over with. :rolleyes:
Only if you agree to come along and wear only football pads and an SV jersey over them. :eek::D
Will this game be televised by any chance? Sorry if it's been asked before, I haven't sat down to read through the thread yet.
Unfortunately no the only game that will be televised for Sv is the last week when we play Roosevelt
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:22 PM
Will this game be televised by any chance? Sorry if it's been asked before, I haven't sat down to read through the thread yet.
I doubt it. Madison has already been on TV once this year. You're gonna have to wait a couple seasons for A. Green to be a senior in order to see Madison with any regularity. :D
IF SV loses, it's due to a fluke...:rolleyes:
Is that what you wanted to hear? Hope I made you happy...
He is a changed man since that post a mad 15 minutes ago ;)
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:23 PM
IF SV loses, it's due to a fluke...:rolleyes:
NO fluke...i was misspoken...Way off base with my wild prediction...I mean i should have known a long time ago that SV was going to win...what I was meaning to say was it sure would be nice to see Madison win but since I already know they will be out coached. They will be outplayed, they have never faced a defense that good. I mean it's way to many obstacles for Madison to overcome. I can only hope that Madison can keep the game close. Its not like Madison is the defending district champion or undefeated this year...it's not like they havent played a tougher schedule. I was way way off base and will be scolded for such ridiculous thoughts...Just my homer way of thinking though...I will make sure i get it right on the next post..thanks for your understanding though
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:24 PM
Only if you agree to come along and wear only football pads and an SV jersey over them. :eek::D
wow. :eek: ;) I knew there was somethin a little funny about you.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 10:24 PM
Break it down this way:
qb ---Madison
Rb ---Madison
WR ---MadisonOl ---Madison
Dl ---SV
LB ---Madison
DB ---SV
Special teams--SV SV SV SV SV
coaching--- equal you will say Hill is better but he has been choaking it up lately including the playoffs last year..be honest about that one.
So that is a lot more Madison there then SV...IMO of course
We will disagree on the above and pick up the discussion after this weeks game.If Madison beats them I will give them credit for sure. As far as difference makers there is one-Green-and it is a HUGE 1.
The others I think you will find very comparable to each other.
wow. :eek: ;) I knew there was somethin a little funny about you.
Ok no football pads just the jersey :D
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:29 PM
We will disagree on the above and pick up the discussion after this weeks game.If Madison beats them I will give them credit for sure. As far as difference makers there is one-Green-and it is a HUGE 1.
The others I think you will find very comparable to each other.
I think Askew has proven to be a "difference maker" in this series. Maybe that's just me.
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:30 PM
Ok no football pads just the jersey :D
Guess there's more in water up there than we first thought. :laugh
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:30 PM
We will disagree on the above and pick up the discussion after this weeks game.If Madison beats them I will give them credit for sure. As far as difference makers there is one-Green-and it is a HUGE 1.
The others I think you will find very comparable to each other.
Bobcat, very well said and I have a gained some deep respect for you...We can talk about this after the game...I do think that Askew is a difference maker as well as Leo G. But that could be my homer way of thinking...look forward to this post next week...good luck to SV
I think Askew has proven to be a "difference maker" in this series. Maybe that's just me.
Askew had nothing to do with last years game.The reason Sv lost was because of one bad call by Coach Hill and not the 3 TD's that Askew accounted for...just ask longhorn.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:32 PM
Ok no football pads just the jersey :D
Now chainsaw i do have a SV jersey if you want to wear it? I will of course have to take it off my dart board but it is yours to keep
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 10:33 PM
GUYS: ENOUGH ALREADY.
Stop the team bashing and coach bashing and fan bashing. It's getting old.
Just let the 'boys' play the game on Friday.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:33 PM
Askew had nothing to do with last years game.The reason Sv lost was because of one bad call by Coach Hill and not the 3 TD's that Askew accounted for...just ask longhorn.
askew is a difference maker young man. your coach let him be the difference by making such a bad gamble...chalk one up for longhorn
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 10:34 PM
I think Askew has proven to be a "difference maker" in this series. Maybe that's just me.
Agreed-just think Cody Mathews is just as good.Both 6'4" but different types of players.Mathews is faster and equally dangerous in the running game.Askew is very physical.
Just saying Green is the one huge difference as far as a game changer goes.The others are pretty comparable to each other.
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 10:34 PM
Bobcat, very well said and I have a gained some deep respect for you...We can talk about this after the game...I do think that Askew is a difference maker as well as Leo G. But that could be my homer way of thinking...look forward to this post next week...good luck to SV
There are lots of "DIFFERENCE MAKERS" on both teams. It's not all about Aaron Green, Nate Askew, or any one player. IT'S A TEAM.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:35 PM
GUYS: ENOUGH ALREADY.
Stop the team bashing and coach bashing and fan bashing. It's getting old.
Just let the 'boys' play the game on Friday.
We are just poking fun at one another..I am completely joking with what I say and mean no ill harm to anyone what so ever....I do love the quick wit that some show and we just like to dislike each other..but nothing serious or at least on my part am i serious...
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 10:36 PM
We are just poking fun at one another..I am completely joking with what I say and mean no ill harm to anyone what so ever....I do love the quick wit that some show and we just like to dislike each other..but nothing serious or at least on my part am i serious...
oh good grief
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:36 PM
Agreed-just think Cody Mathews is just as good.Both 6'4" but different types of players.Mathews is faster and equally dangerous in the running game.Askew is very physical.
Just saying Green is the one huge difference as far as a game changer goes.The others are pretty comparable to each other.
I can agree with that
askew is a difference maker young man. your coach let him be the difference by making such a bad gamble...chalk one up for longhorn
Coach Hill has nothing to do with defense if you think going for it on 4th down was a bad call you might be right but going for it once does not result in 3 unanswered touchdowns. 1 TD yes but to say that Madison scored 2 more TD's because of one call made by a offensive coach is an ignorant statement and is just not logical....but common sense is hard to grasp sometimes.Moral Victory denied ;)
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:38 PM
oh good grief
Madmavmom, your son must be a linemen? would this be a good guess? who is it may i ask?
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 10:39 PM
Madmavmom, your son must be a linemen? would this be a good guess? who is it may i ask?
No way am I telling who ... all you'll do is bash him!!! :)
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 10:40 PM
There are lots of "DIFFERENCE MAKERS" on both teams. It's not all about Aaron Green, Nate Askew, or any one player. IT'S A TEAM.
Agreed it's a team game. I think we are talking about "game changers". Those players that can change things very quickly- like Reggie Bush from the Saints who I just watched return his second punt of the night for a TD.As the announcers said why in the world did they kick to him again!
That's why I hope neither Green get's his hand on a kick off.
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:40 PM
GUYS: ENOUGH ALREADY.
Stop the team bashing and coach bashing and fan bashing. It's getting old.
Just let the 'boys' play the game on Friday.
There are lots of "DIFFERENCE MAKERS" on both teams. It's not all about Aaron Green, Nate Askew, or any one player. IT'S A TEAM.
oh good grief
With all due respect, if you don't want to hear (read) all this stuff, turn off your computer. What do you think this board is? It's all about sh!# talking. If you can't handle this light weight banter, go away.
You might be a player's mom, but you're not ours and we don't need a chaperone.
Now, if you would like to join in the conversation, feel free. But this reprimanding is getting old from you.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:40 PM
Coach Hill has nothing to do with defense if you think going for it on 4th down was a bad call you might be right but going for it once does not result in 3 unanswered touchdowns. 1 TD yes but to say that Madison scored 2 more TD's because of one call made by a offensive coach is an ignorant statement and is just not logical....but common sense is hard to grasp sometimes.Moral Victory denied ;)
easy now with calling me ignorant...that is a personal foul...If you would have read further you would have seen i said that changed the momentum of the game...I felt that if they take the 3 points their it put madison behind bigtime and were already down with mo...when they stopped SV on 4th that pumped them up big time and the mo just kept rolling...you were a football player you know how that works...
With all due respect, if you don't want to hear (read) all this stuff, turn off your computer. What do you think this board is? It's all about sh!# talking. If you can't handle this light weight banter, go away.
You might be a player's mom, but you're not our and we don't need a chaperone.
Now, if you would like to join in the conversation, feel free. But this reprimanding is getting old from you.
:eek:
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:43 PM
No way am I telling who ... all you'll do is bash him!!! :)
oh lord he is the kicker...im so sorry...I know i have bashed him a few times...he has missed some kicks this year and hopefully he is working on it...im sure the coaches see something in him cause they keep sticking him back out there...no more cracking on the kicker guys..hes off limits
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 10:44 PM
With all due respect, if you don't want to hear (read) all this stuff, turn off your computer. What do you think this board is? It's all about sh!# talking. If you can't handle this light weight banter, go away.
You might be a player's mom, but you're not ours and we don't need a chaperone.
Now, if you would like to join in the conversation, feel free. But this reprimanding is getting old from you.
Point taken.
You didn't have to be rude.
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:44 PM
oh lord he is the kicker...im so sorry...I know i have bashed him a few times...he has missed some kicks this year and hopefully he is working on it...im sure the coaches see something in him cause they keep sticking him back out there...no more cracking on the kicker guys..hes off limits
bull$%!#. we need a kicker who won't get tired from playing a REAL position. I'm so sick of not having a REAL, GENUINE kicker.
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 10:45 PM
oh lord he is the kicker...im so sorry...I know i have bashed him a few times...he has missed some kicks this year and hopefully he is working on it...im sure the coaches see something in him cause they keep sticking him back out there...no more cracking on the kicker guys..hes off limits
No, my son is NOT the kicker.
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:45 PM
Point taken.
You didn't have to be rude.
I wasn't trying to be rude. I'm sorry you took it that way.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:46 PM
bull$%!#. we need a kicker who won't get tired from playing a REAL position. I'm so sick of not having a REAL, GENUINE kicker.
Help i have fallen and can't get up...im laughing so dang hard right now im fixing to wet my pants...Chainsaw your the man....i have nothing on you...your the best madison fan ever...wow telling the kickers mom we need a new one....now that takes guts...owowowowowowowwowow...
easy now with calling me ignorant...that is a personal foul...If you would have read further you would have seen i said that changed the momentum of the game...I felt that if they take the 3 points their it put madison behind bigtime and were already down with mo...when they stopped SV on 4th that pumped them up big time and the mo just kept rolling...you were a football player you know how that works...
I didn't call you ignorant I said it was an ignorant statement.I am a football player and I do know how things work and momentum or not as long as they were throwing to Askew and Sv was not double teaming him then Madison was going to come back. Sv blocked a punt for a TD in the state title game giving them the lead in 04 and had all the momentum a team could possibly have that did not neglect the fact the our corners could not contain Renfro and Jakobson on out routs that drove them down the field down the field
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:48 PM
No, my son is NOT the kicker.
who is he, i wont bash him...just want to say hello to you at the game...so you will know who i am and can vouch that i am not such a bad guy...
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 10:48 PM
Help i have fallen and can't get up...im laughing so dang hard right now im fixing to wet my pants...Chainsaw your the man....i have nothing on you...your the best madison fan ever...wow telling the kickers mom we need a new one....now that takes guts...owowowowowowowwowow...
I AM NOT THE KICKER'S MOM.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:49 PM
I didn't call you ignorant I said it was an ignorant statement.I am a football player and I do know how things work and momentum or not as long as they were throwing to Askew and Sv was not double teaming him then Madison was going to come back. Sv blocked a punt for a TD in the state title game giving them the lead in 04 and had all the momentum a team could possibly have that did not neglect the fact the our corners could not contain Renfro and Jakobson on out routs that drove them down the field down the field
ok so we will disagree on this one...i say it was the gambled call on fourth and you say the fact the corners couldnt cover askew...to speak the truth it was a little bit of both...now please tell me how hard you are laughing at chainsaw right now...is he not the greatest?????
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 10:50 PM
I AM NOT THE KICKER'S MOM.
Is this coach Streetys mom?
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:51 PM
I didn't call you ignorant I said it was an ignorant statement.I am a football player and I do know how things work and momentum or not as long as they were throwing to Askew and Sv was not double teaming him then Madison was going to come back. Sv blocked a punt for a TD in the state title game giving them the lead in 04 and had all the momentum a team could possibly have that did not neglect the fact the our corners could not contain Renfro and Jakobson on out routs that drove them down the field down the field
I don't know who said what about the Askew incident last season in the playoffs, but when one receiver scores two TDs back to back, why wouldn't you do everything you could to not allow that to happen again? I don't disagree with going for it on 4th in OT as much as I do with the not double or triple teaming Askew on that last possession. SV wasn't going to keep Madison out of the endzone in OT and I think going for it was the only options Hill had. But the non-adjustment be Hill was a massive error. IMO
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 10:51 PM
bull$%!#. we need a kicker who won't get tired from playing a REAL position. I'm so sick of not having a REAL, GENUINE kicker.
Yea what is it with that? There has got to be someone on that team that can kick. Gutierrez is a good punter-has he ever been tried?
Got to be someone.Anyone on the JV? I guarantee I could find a kicker ot of 3800 students!
MADMAVMOM
10-06-2008, 10:52 PM
Is this coach Streetys mom?
ha ha .. good one!!!!!!!! I'm not THAT old.
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 10:58 PM
Yea what is it with that? There has got to be someone on that team that can kick. Gutierrez is a good punter-has he ever been tried?
Got to be someone.Anyone on the JV? I guarantee I could find a kicker ot of 3800 students!
EXACTLY!!! Madison has probably the most athletic student body in the area and we can't find a kicker?!!! Our soccer teams are pretty damn decent and you're tellin me we can't find one guy to throw some OSHKOSH pads on kick the ball thru the uprights?!! I don't even care if it's a girl!! We just need some consistency. I was the 4th string kicker for Madison in '01 when Logan was there. They told me if it ever came down to me kicking, they'd go for two... I sh!# you not, I was a whole lot more consistent during PAT's than this kid and he's still kicking.... what the hell!!!
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 10:59 PM
I don't know who said what about the Askew incident last season in the playoffs, but when one receiver scores two TDs back to back, why wouldn't you do everything you could to not allow that to happen again? I don't disagree with going for it on 4th in OT as much as I do with the not double or triple teaming Askew on that last possession. SV wasn't going to keep Madison out of the endzone in OT and I think going for it was the only options Hill had. But the non-adjustment be Hill was a massive error. IMO
I think most agree that was the real issue. He had caught 8 passes all year and was in 10th grade! After the first one I would have brought the SS over the top and cleaned is clock-15 yrds or not.He would have been double for sure.That kid grew up and became a very confident reciever in the last 12 minutes of the game.
I don't know who said what about the Askew incident last season in the playoffs, but when one receiver scores two TDs back to back, why wouldn't you do everything you could to not allow that to happen again? I don't disagree with going for it on 4th in OT as much as I do with the not double or triple teaming Askew on that last possession. SV wasn't going to keep Madison out of the endzone in OT and I think going for it was the only options Hill had. But the non-adjustment be Hill was a massive error. IMO
I agree 100% we need to double team him plain and simple and that is why we lost the game. Hill had nothing to do with the adjustment and even though he is the head coach does not have the power to go over to the defensive side of the ball and start making adjusments.He has all the power in the world to chew out the defesive coaches though and there was plenty of that going on while all this was happening. But it was not his fault for Askew catching everything thrown to him.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:03 PM
EXACTLY!!! Madison has probably the most athletic student body in the area and we can't find a kicker?!!! Our soccer teams are pretty damn decent and you're tellin me we can't find one guy to throw some OSHKOSH pads on kick the ball thru the uprights?!! I don't even care if it's a girl!! We just need some consistency. I was the 4th string kicker for Madison in '01 when Logan was there. They told me if it ever came down to me kicking, they'd go for two... I sh!# you not, I was a whole lot more consistent during PAT's than this kid and he's still kicking.... what the hell!!!
your killing me smalls..your so dang funny i cant breath right now
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 11:03 PM
EXACTLY!!! Madison has probably the most athletic student body in the area and we can't find a kicker?!!! Our soccer teams are pretty damn decent and you're tellin me we can't find one guy to throw some OSHKOSH pads on kick the ball thru the uprights?!! I don't even care if it's a girl!! We just need some consistency. I was the 4th string kicker for Madison in '01 when Logan was there. They told me if it ever came down to me kicking, they'd go for two... I sh!# you not, I was a whole lot more consistent during PAT's than this kid and he's still kicking.... what the hell!!!
Bradley Middle School had a kid kick a 39 yd field goal 2 weeks ago! Might want to go get him
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 11:03 PM
I think most agree that was the real issue. He had caught 8 passes all year and was in 10th grade! After the first one I would have brought the SS over the top and cleaned is clock-15 yrds or not.He would have been double for sure.That kid grew up and became a very confident reciever in the last 12 minutes of the game.
I spent the entire half time talking to my dad, SV61, and my old POP WARNER coach telling them that they just needed to toss the ball up to Askew for the rest of the game. Madison was out of play makers and they needed something. He was the last chance they had. I was disagreed with heavily. I spent that whole last 12 minutes turning around and pointing at my old coach telling him "I told you!!" lol. that was pretty funny.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 11:07 PM
I agree 100% we need to double team him plain and simple and that is why we lost the game. Hill had nothing to do with the adjustment and even though he is the head coach does not have the power to go over to the defensive side of the ball and start making adjusments.He has all the power in the world to chew out the defesive coaches though and there was plenty of that going on while all this was happening. But it was not his fault for Askew catching everything thrown to him.
Don't understand that one but...
Is it just the long time working relationship with the DC that he wouldn't do it?
I have been wondering about why nothing was done by him during the last quarter
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 11:07 PM
your killing me smalls..your so dang funny i cant breath right now
Bradley Middle School had a kid kick a 39 yd field goal 2 weeks ago! Might want to go get him
I am dead serious. this would NOT be the first season Madison would've had a soccer player for a kicker. This is really starting to get ridiculous. Right now, Madison hasn't had it bite them in the butt, but it's going to sooner or later.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:10 PM
Bradley Middle School had a kid kick a 39 yd field goal 2 weeks ago! Might want to go get him
I know my son watched the eisnehower kid kick a 35 yarder no lie
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:12 PM
I know my son watched the eisnehower kid kick a 35 yarder no lie
oh lord is Bobcat 83 you mr. wilson?
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 11:12 PM
I HATE THE REDSOX!!! :Censor:
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:14 PM
I am dead serious. this would NOT be the first season Madison would've had a soccer player for a kicker. This is really starting to get ridiculous. Right now, Madison hasn't had it bite them in the butt, but it's going to sooner or later.
I really do say go for two points every time..the offense is so powerfull they will of course not make some but will make most and that could even be more points for them
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 11:16 PM
I really do say go for two points every time..the offense is so powerfull they will of course not make some but will make most and that could even be more points for them
The problem with doing that is that when you actually DO need the 2pts, all your 2pt plays have been shown. Unless you just run normal plays, i don't know if i would do that. But, this is only 3 yards we're talking about. The Madison offense SHOULD be able to do that in their sleep.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 11:17 PM
I am dead serious. this would NOT be the first season Madison would've had a soccer player for a kicker. This is really starting to get ridiculous. Right now, Madison hasn't had it bite them in the butt, but it's going to sooner or later.
By the way SV's back up kicker -kicked all 6 xp's vs Johnson as Cowart was out! We have 2! We will trade you one for Aaron Green and throw in a free special teams clinic with Coach Hill.We will return him after this season.:)
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:19 PM
By the way SV's back up kicker -kicked all 6 xp's vs Johnson as Cowart was out! We have 2! We will trade you one for Aaron Green and throw in a free special teams clinic with Coach Hill.We will return him after this season.:)
are you dustin and coles dad?
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:20 PM
are you dustin and coles dad?
just curious as how you would know about the bradley kicker and still be a SV fan
Don't understand that one but...
Is it just the long time working relationship with the DC that he wouldn't do it?
I have been wondering about why nothing was done by him during the last quarter
That is exactly it. They have been coaching together for over 15 years now and coach Hill has all the trust in the world in the DC. You have to have that kind of trust to coach together for so long.If not they would not be as good as good working together if they didn't. The Madison game is one instance where the DC did not do his job and coach Hill did. It has been the other way around at times also like the Katy game in 05 when the defense held a high powered Katy offense to 17 points yet we only scored 14 with a crazy amount of offense firepower that year.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 11:30 PM
That is exactly it. They have been coaching together for over 15 years now and coach Hill has all the trust in the world in the DC. You have to have that kind of trust to coach together for so long.If not they would not be as good as good working together if they didn't. The Madison game is one instance where the DC did not do his job and coach Hill did. It has been the other way around at times also like the Katy game in 05 when the defense held a high powered Katy offense to 17 points yet we only scored 14 with a crazy amount of offense firepower that year.
The DC has done a great job this year.Making adjustments and changing coverges this year.I was watching for what he would do after the first Mac drive.Sure enough what I was looking at was taken care of immediately.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:32 PM
That is exactly it. They have been coaching together for over 15 years now and coach Hill has all the trust in the world in the DC. You have to have that kind of trust to coach together for so long.If not they would not be as good as good working together if they didn't. The Madison game is one instance where the DC did not do his job and coach Hill did. It has been the other way around at times also like the Katy game in 05 when the defense held a high powered Katy offense to 17 points yet we only scored 14 with a crazy amount of offense firepower that year.
Good point...for them to have been working together for so long they have to trust in one another and sometimes one of them will make a mistake...that makes for a stong coaching staff
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 11:37 PM
By the way SV's back up kicker -kicked all 6 xp's vs Johnson as Cowart was out! We have 2! We will trade you one for Aaron Green and throw in a free special teams clinic with Coach Hill.We will return him after this season.:)
I keep seeing this "SV has better special teams than Madison" comment, but other than kicker, why? Madison has run back more kickoffs and punts than probably anyone in the state. Leo is a pretty damn good punter too. All I've ever seen SV do is pooch kick to Madison. Is this the "clinic" in which you're referring to? Ask any Madison fan, we can "pooch" kick with the best of them... it just usually is an accident rather than planned. :D
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:39 PM
I keep seeing this "SV has better special teams than Madison" comment, but other than kicker, why? Madison has run back more kickoffs and punts than probably anyone in the state. Leo is a pretty damn good punter too. All I've ever seen SV do is pooch kick to Madison. Is this the "clinic" in which you're referring to? Ask any Madison fan, we can "pooch" kick with the best of them... it just usually is an accident rather than planned. :D
Chainsaw you aleady told the mother of the kicker he stinks...plain and simple SV has a better kicker then we do...as for as kick returns nobody ever kicks off deep to us so we wouldnt know..and for us to kick off to somebody is a joke.....
StrongDog
10-06-2008, 11:40 PM
I keep seeing this "SV has better special teams than Madison" comment, but other than kicker, why? Madison has run back more kickoffs and punts than probably anyone in the state. Leo is a pretty damn good punter too. All I've ever seen SV do is pooch kick to Madison. Is this the "clinic" in which you're referring to? Ask any Madison fan, we can "pooch" kick with the best of them... it just usually is an accident rather than planned. :D
SV blocks a lot of kicks, I would say more than any team in 26 by far, and creates field position and points.
The DC has done a great job this year.Making adjustments and changing coverges this year.I was watching for what he would do after the first Mac drive.Sure enough what I was looking at was taken care of immediately.
99/100 times hes does do a great job. In 2002 we went into a state final game thinking we were going to defend the SLC spread using a basic 4-3 defense. we all know how that worked out. We came back in 2004 with a a whole new look and kept SLC to 27 points when they were averaging scores in the 40's all year.
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 11:41 PM
SV blocks a lot of kicks, I would say more than any team in 26 by far, and creates field position and points.
Madison blocks plenty of kicks. Just so you know.
longhorn3
10-06-2008, 11:42 PM
SV blocks a lot of kicks, I would say more than any team in 26 by far, and creates field position and points.
well they wont have to block madison kicks, our kicker will flat out miss on his own...i would just sit back and watch him miss without any doubt in my mind...i really think but not positive that he has missed more kicks then makes this season
SV blocks a lot of kicks, I would say more than any team in 26 by far, and creates field position and points.
I also can not remember the last time SV has had a kick blocked as well...thats what happens when you spend 45 min. of your practice on special teams
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 11:45 PM
I also can not remember the last time SV has had a kick blocked as well...thats what happens when you spend 45 min. of your practice on special teams
Madison does too.
StrongDog
10-06-2008, 11:46 PM
I also can not remember the last time SV has had a kick blocked as well...thats what happens when you spend 45 min. of your practice on special teams
probably more than 45.
probably more than 45.
If you include the hands and kickoff teams that stay after when everyone goes in then it is probably about an hour and 15 min.
bobcat83
10-06-2008, 11:49 PM
I keep seeing this "SV has better special teams than Madison" comment, but other than kicker, why? Madison has run back more kickoffs and punts than probably anyone in the state. Leo is a pretty damn good punter too. All I've ever seen SV do is pooch kick to Madison. Is this the "clinic" in which you're referring to? Ask any Madison fan, we can "pooch" kick with the best of them... it just usually is an accident rather than planned. :D
Return game-Madison
Kick coverage-SV
Blocking kicks-SV- I guess this is the area they excel at -block FG and blocked 2 punts returned for TD's this year.They just seem to exploit other teams weaknesses here.
Don't know much about Madsion in this area.Hill is a fanatic about special teams.
StrongDog
10-06-2008, 11:52 PM
If you include the hands and kickoff teams that stay after when everyone goes in then it is probably about an hour and 15 min.
Did you include specialty in there?:D
chainsaw83
10-06-2008, 11:59 PM
Return game-Madison
Kick coverage-SV
Blocking kicks-SV- I guess this is the area they excel at -block FG and blocked 2 punts returned for TD's this year.They just seem to exploit other teams weaknesses here.
Don't know much about Madsion in this area.Hill is a fanatic about special teams.
I don't know why you would consider SV's coverage team better if they won't ever kick to Madison. I can't remember a kickoff return on Madison. Not saying it hasn't happened, i just don't remember.
I don't know why you would consider SV's coverage team better if they won't ever kick to Madison. I can't remember a kickoff return on Madison. Not saying it hasn't happened, i just don't remember.
I do Gary Green for a 100 yard Kick return on the opening kickoff in 2002... I think we learned after that.
Or did you mean Sv scoring a Kick return. If so I returned a madison kickoff to the Madison 40 myself in 2004 and Sendejo returned on to the 30 that year and we went on to score on both drives
svhorns
10-07-2008, 12:04 AM
That is exactly it. They have been coaching together for over 15 years now and coach Hill has all the trust in the world in the DC. You have to have that kind of trust to coach together for so long.If not they would not be as good as good working together if they didn't. The Madison game is one instance where the DC did not do his job and coach Hill did. It has been the other way around at times also like the Katy game in 05 when the defense held a high powered Katy offense to 17 points yet we only scored 14 with a crazy amount of offense firepower that year.
WHAT!:eek:
people don't know about coach Mooch!! hes a great coach... I could say Larry Hill wouldn't completely be Larry Hill without Coach Mooch... It just wouldn't be the same.. It would be pretty weird for them to split up... eerie almost...
#1texasgreat
10-07-2008, 12:05 AM
easy now with calling me ignorant...that is a personal foul...If you would have read further you would have seen i said that changed the momentum of the game...I felt that if they take the 3 points their it put madison behind bigtime and were already down with mo...when they stopped SV on 4th that pumped them up big time and the mo just kept rolling...you were a football player you know how that works...
in football a non contact foul(like calling u ignorant) is unsportmanlike conduct....that shows ur lack of football knowledge....haha.....either way the way u draw stuff up about madison just demolishing sv is unorthadox to say the least....the only thing they might have sv beat on is offense,special teams,defense,coaching,CLASS,HEART......SV has madison beat in all categories.....madison wont put up over 30 points on sv.....like i said madison hasnt seen a TEAM not just defense, a team as good as sv!ur remarks against sv and attempt at humor are classless and u should be banned.in no way if sv won would it be a fluke, the only fluke would be if they lost, tougher schedule according to who? u play 4a schools preseason not saying they r bad but 4a....i hope coach hill comes full force at streety and shows u what his TEAM is really capable of....
every sv fan on here has had nothing but respect for the madison team....and ur the only madison fan that shows disrespect TO BOTH TEAMS by acting so classless....i still have respect for the madison team as i always will they r a great football team but good grief show some dang class!
WHAT!:eek:
people don't know about coach Mooch!! hes a great coach... I could say Larry Hill wouldn't completely be Larry Hill without Coach Mooch... It just wouldn't be the same.. It would be pretty weird for them to split up... eerie
I agree which is why he was going to take him with him when he got the job offer from Midland
svhorns
10-07-2008, 12:08 AM
I agree which is why he was going to take him with him when he got the job offer from Midland
for sure
r-bshooter
10-07-2008, 02:35 AM
Madison in a close game 30-24 lots of Madison O.
saMavsFan
10-07-2008, 06:29 AM
Return game-Madison
Kick coverage-SV
Blocking kicks-SV- I guess this is the area they excel at -block FG and blocked 2 punts returned for TD's this year.They just seem to exploit other teams weaknesses here.Don't know much about Madsion in this area.Hill is a fanatic about special teams.
I've been saying that Judson and SV are THE two best teams I've seen at this. SV takes the top spot this year by far.
Madison won't be kicking too many fieldgoals in the up coming game. And if SV gets that kind of rush on Leo Gutierrez (our punter), he'll turn up field and may get a broken play 1st down. He's really really fast, that's all the more that needs to be said about that.
Madison, IMO, has its ways of limiting SV's special teams advantage.
SVite
10-07-2008, 10:21 AM
My deal is this...I can't stand a fan that sits back and tries to play both sides of the fence..either believe your team is going to win and speak up before the game, state your point why and see the outcome...none of this well im going to play both sides and when the game is over say i knew it was going to happen..speak up now! be proud of your team, let me know why you think their going to win...that's all im doing..im saying come get some....I think Madison is a way better team then SV...I don't think it's as close as some might think..but that is my opinion and Im entitled to it...you have yours and I will listen...again...best of luck to sv
Madison
Week 2 9/12/2008 New Braunfels (4-2) A Y 24 21 W +3
Week 3 9/20/2008 SA Johnson (1-5) H Y 41 13 W +28
Week 4 9/27/2008 SA MacArthur (3-2) A Y 47 28 W +19
_________
+50
SV
Week 3 9/19/2008 New Braunfels (4-2) H Y 20 7 W +13
Week 4 9/26/2008 SA Johnson (1-5) A Y 42 7 W +35
Week 5 10/3/2008 SA MacArthur (3-2) H Y 30 7 W +23
________
+71
Your right Mads just gonna have to screw up, for SV to even have a chance!
OK, throw out the Jonhson games.
Mad + 22
SV + 36
longhorn3
10-07-2008, 10:33 AM
Madison
Week 2 9/12/2008 New Braunfels (4-2) A Y 24 21 W +3
Week 3 9/20/2008 SA Johnson (1-5) H Y 41 13 W +28
Week 4 9/27/2008 SA MacArthur (3-2) A Y 47 28 W +19
_________
+50
SV
Week 3 9/19/2008 New Braunfels (4-2) H Y 20 7 W +13
Week 4 9/26/2008 SA Johnson (1-5) A Y 42 7 W +35
Week 5 10/3/2008 SA MacArthur (3-2) H Y 30 7 W +23
________
+71
Your right Mads just gonna have to screw up, for SV to even have a chance!
OK, throw out the Jonhson games.
Mad + 22
SV + 36
If you think that these scores makes you a better team then why is Madison ranked higher? Just asking here????
longhorn3
10-07-2008, 10:41 AM
in football a non contact foul(like calling u ignorant) is unsportmanlike conduct....that shows ur lack of football knowledge....haha.....either way the way u draw stuff up about madison just demolishing sv is unorthadox to say the least....the only thing they might have sv beat on is offense,special teams,defense,coaching,CLASS,HEART......SV has madison beat in all categories.....madison wont put up over 30 points on sv.....like i said madison hasnt seen a TEAM not just defense, a team as good as sv!ur remarks against sv and attempt at humor are classless and u should be banned.in no way if sv won would it be a fluke, the only fluke would be if they lost, tougher schedule according to who? u play 4a schools preseason not saying they r bad but 4a....i hope coach hill comes full force at streety and shows u what his TEAM is really capable of....
every sv fan on here has had nothing but respect for the madison team....and ur the only madison fan that shows disrespect TO BOTH TEAMS by acting so classless....i still have respect for the madison team as i always will they r a great football team but good grief show some dang class!
I show no class by saying that madison is going to beat SV???? your the only one's (SV) that says that is classless. If madison beats SV bad this week what will that mean? that i was right? so that still means im classless? the truth be known, i don't care one bit whether or not any person on here thinks i have class. I know who I am and everybody that knows me knows what kind of person I am...behind this computer writing down a bunch of stuff that really in life means squat is fun. I also don't care if Madison wins by 1 point, either way its a football game, so in the whole realm of life your opinion of me is not going to effect anything. If you think by me saying SV is great shows class your wrong, in your mind it might but in reality it does not..let the boys play the game and may the best team win. we can talk about this next week...If Madison wins be here to say good job...if SV wins I will be here to say good job....im not a hater. I do give respect to SV, you just don't pay attention to it...Best of luck to you either way.
bobcat83
10-07-2008, 10:42 AM
If you think that these scores makes you a better team then why is Madison ranked higher? Just asking here????
Those score comparisons will make you think a little!
I kinda like the poll as it stands right now 27-25 SV
SV 3 td's and 3 fg's
Mad 4 td's and 3 missed xp's!
you watch this week they will make all of them after all the talk about the kicker!
longhorn3
10-07-2008, 10:45 AM
in football a non contact foul(like calling u ignorant) is unsportmanlike conduct....that shows ur lack of football knowledge....haha.....either way the way u draw stuff up about madison just demolishing sv is unorthadox to say the least....the only thing they might have sv beat on is offense,special teams,defense,coaching,CLASS,HEART......SV has madison beat in all categories.....madison wont put up over 30 points on sv.....like i said madison hasnt seen a TEAM not just defense, a team as good as sv!ur remarks against sv and attempt at humor are classless and u should be banned.in no way if sv won would it be a fluke, the only fluke would be if they lost, tougher schedule according to who? u play 4a schools preseason not saying they r bad but 4a....i hope coach hill comes full force at streety and shows u what his TEAM is really capable of....
every sv fan on here has had nothing but respect for the madison team....and ur the only madison fan that shows disrespect TO BOTH TEAMS by acting so classless....i still have respect for the madison team as i always will they r a great football team but good grief show some dang class!
Take a look at one of the threads on the site here: it says high school football rankings...you will look under SOS that means strength of schedule...according to the website madison has played a tougher schedule...I was shocked but it was true...I can promise you that 4a school we played was better then 90 percent of the teams you played...Give Tivy some credit will ya..thats classless on your part..you should be banned
longhorn3
10-07-2008, 10:48 AM
Those score comparisons will make you think a little!
I kinda like the poll as it stands right now 27-25 SV
SV 3 td's and 3 fg's
Mad 4 td's and 3 missed xp's!
you watch this week they will make all of them after all the talk about the kicker!
Hey i understand we on both sides of the fence here can bring all kinds of stats into play to suit our teams needs and to make them look better. Let's call this what it is...the best football game on paper of the year for this district...Let's hope that both teams bring their A + game....it will be fun
madmav2012
10-07-2008, 11:04 AM
Bradley Middle School had a kid kick a 39 yd field goal 2 weeks ago! Might want to go get him
The kid at Bradley is a good kid, he plays soccer with my son. My son plays football at Harris and they have the same attitude that Madison has about kickers. They don't look for the best. They have the skill position players do the kicking. The punts usually travel 15 yards. The kickoffs are squib kicks or pooch kicks. My son can kick the crap out of the ball, but he is not given a chance since he a a DE/TE. I guess since we run a version of the Madison scheme we follow what Streety wants to do.
Madison - 35
SV - 21
shooter
10-07-2008, 11:23 AM
tuesday - page 11
#1texasgreat
10-07-2008, 11:25 AM
Take a look at one of the threads on the site here: it says high school football rankings...you will look under SOS that means strength of schedule...according to the website madison has played a tougher schedule...I was shocked but it was true...I can promise you that 4a school we played was better then 90 percent of the teams you played...Give Tivy some credit will ya..thats classless on your part..you should be banned
well sv can prolly beat half those teams so those rankings mean nothing to me.....i dont believe madison has a tougher schedule.....sorry....its not classless saying that tivy is worse than judson....i said at the end of my post that i like tivy.....i still believe that judson is better.....trust me i highly doubt neone on this forum would call me classless.....however 90% would call u classless.....its not what u say its the way u say it.....u have lack of knowledge in the sport so theres really no reason for ur comments on here....
Bottomline
10-07-2008, 11:43 AM
I am going with my gut on this one(and it is a big one)...I say that if Brown does well at QB for SV...they win...so going with SV in a close one...:):)
Pray both teams play well & our Lord and Savior keeps them ALL safe!!!
JROC, let me ask you something. Not being sarcastic here but a true question. Is Brown better than Palmer the QB from Kerrville ( a solid D1 prospect )? Or as mobile as Killbough from Mac ? The NB QB was VERY Moble, good height and good arm strength. Is the SV QB better than the above mentioned QB's ?
saMavsFan
10-07-2008, 12:02 PM
well sv can prolly beat half those teams so those rankings mean nothing to me.....i dont believe madison has a tougher schedule.....sorry....its not classless saying that tivy is worse than judson....i said at the end of my post that i like tivy.....i still believe that judson is better.....trust me i highly doubt neone on this forum would call me classless.....however 90% would call u classless.....its not what u say its the way u say it.....u have lack of knowledge in the sport so theres really no reason for ur comments on here....
I'm not following Alice down this rabbit hole, but unless you've actually seen Tivy play and can see some way Judson can beat them this year, that's a pretty bold statement to make.
bobcat83
10-07-2008, 12:14 PM
JROC, let me ask you something. Not being sarcastic here but a true question. Is Brown better than Palmer the QB from Kerrville ( a solid D1 prospect )? Or as mobile as Killbough from Mac ? The NB QB was VERY Moble, good height and good arm strength. Is the SV QB better than the above mentioned QB's ?
Palmer -no-but that is a different offense so it's not right to compare-but again does he have the physical tools that Palmer has-no.
Killough-Yes-better first Killough is about 5' 9"- Jake is 5' 11"- arm strength just as good-probably as accurate as almost any QB's in the city.Mobile-yes.
57 yd td on QB draw called back for holding-which was pointed out on films was a little questionable.Yes he can scramble-has proven it this year.May not be as all out fast as Killough but fast enough.Also he is decievingly strong.
If Brown were to play in a true spread offense and throw the ball around you would see the numbers.He plays within Hill's system.Remember the reciever's have to get open.When they have he has put the ball right in their chest w/velocity.He doesn't have the line or the overall weapons they had last year.But believe me this kid is a true QB-not one that was just thrown into the position because they had no one else.
Yes I am a little biased,yes I know alot about this kid,yes I do know and understand the QB position.
Any yes I answered for Atwell.
Oh and Killough is going to be real good-good right now- but real good.
rangerpride
10-07-2008, 12:17 PM
Madison blocks plenty of kicks. Just so you know.
How many punts has Madison blocked this year? Or even the last 3 years? I guarantee it's no where near as many as SV has blocked. I'd bet SV is consistently in the Top 20 (probably better) in the state in blocking punts and FGs each year, if they even keep track of stats like that statewide.
StrongDog
10-07-2008, 12:27 PM
If you think that these scores makes you a better team then why is Madison ranked higher? Just asking here????
You are completely right comparative scoring makes no difference at all. Its the most useless stat ever. But rankings could be nearly as useless in high school football. The only rank that matters is district standing. When SV and Madison meet, throw the stat book and rankings out the window.
bobcat83
10-07-2008, 12:27 PM
JROC, let me ask you something. Not being sarcastic here but a true question. Is Brown better than Palmer the QB from Kerrville ( a solid D1 prospect )? Or as mobile as Killbough from Mac ? The NB QB was VERY Moble, good height and good arm strength. Is the SV QB better than the above mentioned QB's ?
And as to Forrester from NB-again a spread offense-yes Brown is as good a qb as him.Forrester is very smart(coaches son). It's his first year in that system.Had he played in it longer he would be even more dangerous.
Example of the SV/Mac game 7 of the 10 passes Brown completed were to the 2nd or 3rd recievers based on coverage's. He is very adept at making those reads.
I show no class by saying that madison is going to beat SV???? your the only one's (SV) that says that is classless. If madison beats SV bad this week what will that mean? that i was right? so that still means im classless? the truth be known, i don't care one bit whether or not any person on here thinks i have class. I know who I am and everybody that knows me knows what kind of person I am...behind this computer writing down a bunch of stuff that really in life means squat is fun. I also don't care if Madison wins by 1 point, either way its a football game, so in the whole realm of life your opinion of me is not going to effect anything. If you think by me saying SV is great shows class your wrong, in your mind it might but in reality it does not..let the boys play the game and may the best team win. we can talk about this next week...If Madison wins be here to say good job...if SV wins I will be here to say good job....im not a hater. I do give respect to SV, you just don't pay attention to it...Best of luck to you either way.
You have been very classless since you came here last year and it is not because you say SV will lose it is because you show absolutely no respect to anyone. It is sad that you say you don't care what people think about you on here because it a a major reflection of your character to the people on here. I saw earlier that you wanted to meet MADMAVMOM so she can vouch on here how "good" a guy you are but I don't think it would really change anyone's mind. And it is not just SV people that think you are classless like you said in your 2nd sentence. Just a couple of examples.
Now with the blunt and disrespectful madison poster gone, we can have a productive conversation. I heart my Mavs but theres a point when I come back to reality, its football, and this forum is here and should not be taken personally.
I have a dream, a dream that one day this board will be free from radical(and disrepectful fans. I have a dream that one day we all shall live harmoniously in the 5atxfb community. :D
I think this is mean and ugly! I agree Longhorn went above and beyond disrespectful and was rightfully banned.
Trey...let him go...he obviously is off in his own little world, someone who has to argue everything, even if wrong...this site is a site with classy people, but every once in awhile some one comes on trying to prove their knowledge of the game...don't agrue with him, pray for him!!!
And even chainsaw......Who you praise so much about being as die hard as you has let you know how disrespectful you are
Dude, at some point, you need to act like you've been here before. People like you are the reason i'm so freakin glad we won the way we did. With everyone screaming, no one could start singing that horrible, obnoxious song.
Other Madison posters aren't soft, we're just not arrogant dipshts like you who come on this board and talk sh to anyone in earshot. Not only are you pissing off other team's fans, but now you're pissing Madison fans off....or at least me.
Last time i checked, SV still owns the lead in heads up games and state appearances. I guess the fact that SV dominated most of that game goes unnoticed by you? Just because you didn't have to come on here and eat your crow doesn't give you the right to come on here and act like an idiot. Grow a pair, move on and learn how to win with civility. Your crap is getting old REAL quick.
You would think after all of this you would want to present yourself a little better on here.
rangerpride
10-07-2008, 01:45 PM
You would think after all of this you would want to present yourself a little better on here.
Couldn't have put it better myself, thanks for saving me the trouble, CKE!
KT2000
10-07-2008, 01:52 PM
That is exactly it. They have been coaching together for over 15 years now and coach Hill has all the trust in the world in the DC. You have to have that kind of trust to coach together for so long.If not they would not be as good as good working together if they didn't. The Madison game is one instance where the DC did not do his job and coach Hill did. It has been the other way around at times also like the Katy game in 05 when the defense held a high powered Katy offense to 17 points yet we only scored 14 with a crazy amount of offense firepower that year.
That's because you wasted two quarters trying to run the spread before Coach Hill went in at halftime and realized he had a very good offensive line and three very good running backs. :)
That's because you wasted two quarters trying to run the spread before Coach Hill went in at halftime and realized he had a very good offensive line and three very good running backs. :)
What can you do though. I knew it was going to be a tough game when dean had the 40-60 yard scamper right up the gut in the first quarter.And Trent Rios only had 4 carries :mad:
The same thing happened in the 04 State championship. Cody Mckinny was doing an awsome job and we abandoned the run game and started throwing to Clay fuller and Cody Beyer all day and they were not catching anything that day. Some games just don't go your way as a coach.
atwelljroc
10-07-2008, 02:53 PM
I do not often point out one person as being the problem, but today, my heart has lead me to do this...Mr. Longhorn...you have a problem...you either do not have a good life or have some other problem going on...and I pray for you about that!!!
This site was set up to talk about football and support our high school kids and the effort they put in...you do not discuss that, you try to turn everything into a fight, you are an instigator...that is what you do...and yes there are those out there that will fight you because you irritate them until they respond...you do this not for football, but to get a rise out of them, nothing else...and that, is very sad!!! Sure we all have our days where some other poster gets under our skin, but with you it is everyone, even Madison supporters???
You say you cheer for Madison...then "Cheer for Madison", do not spend time trying to incite others to fight you...if you believe Madison will win...then state why and move on...
I am sending a PM to KT2000 to have you banded from this site, it will say to give you one last chance to change how you respond, if you can't, I have asked him to take you from this site permanently...sorry for this going to this point, but you need to understand what this site is for...it is not to fight with everyone on here, it is to discuss football, games, and the kids, coaches and schools that make this great game "high school football" happen each week.
#1texasgreat
10-07-2008, 03:03 PM
I do not often point out one person as being the problem, but today, my heart has lead me to do this...Mr. Longhorn...you have a problem...you either do not have a good life or have some other problem going on...and I pray for you about that!!!
This site was set up to talk about football and support our high school kids and the effort they put in...you do not discuss that, you try to turn everything into a fight, you are an instigator...that is what you do...and yes there are those out there that will fight you because you irritate them until they respond...you do this not for football, but to get a rise out of them, nothing else...and that, is very sad!!! Sure we all have our days where some other poster gets under our skin, but with you it is everyone, even Madison supporters???
You say you cheer for Madison...then "Cheer for Madison", do not spend time trying to incite others to fight you...if you believe Madison will win...then state why and move on...
I am sending a PM to KT2000 to have you banded from this site, it will say to give you one last chance to change how you respond, if you can't, I have asked him to take you from this site permanently...sorry for this going to this point, but you need to understand what this site is for...it is not to fight with everyone on here, it is to discuss football, games, and the kids, coaches and schools that make this great game "high school football" happen each week.
couldnt have said it better myself....
chainsaw83
10-07-2008, 03:28 PM
Man, y'all sure know how to kill a thread. We were clickin along pretty good. Almost 12 pages on tuesday, then the personal attacks start. nice.
So, are Madison and SV rivals yet? :rolleyes:
Fleeman93
10-07-2008, 03:36 PM
If you think that these scores makes you a better team then why is Madison ranked higher? Just asking here????
SV lost to Reagan and all loses will hurt you in polls.
chainsaw83
10-07-2008, 03:38 PM
SV lost to Reagan and all loses will hurt you in polls.
no, no... wait.... say that part again. :D
Fleeman93
10-07-2008, 03:45 PM
no, no... wait.... say that part again. :D
... and Katy got blasted by Lufkin in 03 and Trinity got blasted by OP last year. Look how that turned out. Some teams have bad games. I have seen Madison against New Braunfels and I have seen SV against New Braunfels and in my mind SV looked like the better all around team.
Man, y'all sure know how to kill a thread. We were clickin along pretty good. Almost 12 pages on tuesday, then the personal attacks start. nice.
So, are Madison and SV rivals yet? :rolleyes:
Can you have more than one rival?If so then they will be if madison wins this week. Until then Reagan would be the only one we consider rivals.
rangerpride
10-07-2008, 03:49 PM
I do not often point out one person as being the problem, but today, my heart has lead me to do this...Mr. Longhorn...you have a problem...you either do not have a good life or have some other problem going on...and I pray for you about that!!!
This site was set up to talk about football and support our high school kids and the effort they put in...you do not discuss that, you try to turn everything into a fight, you are an instigator...that is what you do...and yes there are those out there that will fight you because you irritate them until they respond...you do this not for football, but to get a rise out of them, nothing else...and that, is very sad!!! Sure we all have our days where some other poster gets under our skin, but with you it is everyone, even Madison supporters???
You say you cheer for Madison...then "Cheer for Madison", do not spend time trying to incite others to fight you...if you believe Madison will win...then state why and move on...
I am sending a PM to KT2000 to have you banded from this site, it will say to give you one last chance to change how you respond, if you can't, I have asked him to take you from this site permanently...sorry for this going to this point, but you need to understand what this site is for...it is not to fight with everyone on here, it is to discuss football, games, and the kids, coaches and schools that make this great game "high school football" happen each week.
Mr. Atwell, you never cease to amaze me with your poise and timing on your posts. I have MUCH respect for you. Keep us updated on your son's collegiate career. Hope he is enjoying college life, but not TOO much, if you know what I mean....;)
rangerpride
10-07-2008, 03:52 PM
Can you have more than one rival?If so then they will be if madison wins this week. Until then Reagan would be the only one we consider rivals.
Madison has beaten us twice since being in 5A, just like Reagan. I consider them equal as far as SV rivalries go.
bobcat83
10-07-2008, 04:19 PM
Regarding all the animosity that is either true and or percieved on this thread I will share the following.This was written by Jim Wacker former Football coach at SWT ( now Texas State),TCU,TLU and Minnesota.Keep in mind that DW Rutledge's program at Judson was modled after Wacker's has he was and still is influenced by his former coach.I was fortunate enough to spend some time in Wacker's program.There are many coaches who have been influenced by what Wacker was all about.Examples are Pete Gibbens @ Wagner and David Bailiff at Rice.
Do It With Class!
Class is respect for others. It is a deep and genuine respect for
every human being, regardless of his status in life.
Class is having manners. It is always saying, "thank you" and "please".
It is complimenting people for any and every task that was done well.
Class is treating every other person as you want them to treat you
in a similar situation.
Class never makes excuses for one's own shortcomings, but it always helps the other person to bounce back from their mistakes.
Class never brag's or boasts about one's own accomplishments, and never tears down or diminishes the achievements of amother person.
Class does not depend on money,status,success,or ancestry.
The wealthy aristocrat may not even know the meaning of the word,yet the poorest man in town may radiate class in everything he does.
If you have class, everyone will know it and you will have self-respect.If you are without class-good luck, because no matter what you accomplish, it will never have meaning.
Jim Wacker
He was a great football coach but a better man.He would read this to us at the beginning of the year.That was 28 years ago.I just ran across it again the other day.I think most of us could benefit from this from time to time.
PS-he was also a Lutheran minister
atwelljroc
10-07-2008, 04:25 PM
Regarding all the animosity that is either true and or percieved on this thread I will share the following.This was written by Jim Wacker former Football coach at SWT ( now Texas State),TCU,TLU and Minnesota.Keep in mind that DW Rutledge's program at Judson was modled after Wacker's has he was and still is influenced by his former coach.I was fortunate enough to spend some time in Wacker's program.There are many coaches who have been influenced by what Wacker was all about.Examples are Pete Gibbens @ Wagner and David Bailiff at Rice.
Do It With Class!
Class is respect for others. It is a deep and genuine respect for
every human being, regardless of his status in life.
Class is having manners. It is always saying, "thank you" and "please".
It is complimenting people for any and every task that was done well.
Class is treating every other person as you want them to treat you
in a similar situation.
Class never makes excuses for one's own shortcomings, but it always helps the other person to bounce back from their mistakes.
Class never brag's or boasts about one's own accomplishments, and never tears down or diminishes the achievements of amother person.
Class does not depend on money,status,success,or ancestry.
The wealthy aristocrat may not even know the meaning of the word,yet the poorest man in town may radiate class in everything he does.
If you have class, everyone will know it and you will have self-respect.If you are without class-good luck, because no matter what you accomplish, it will never have meaning.
Jim Wacker
He was a great football coach but a better man.He would read this to us at the beginning of the year.That was 28 years ago.I just ran across it again the other day.I think most of us could benefit from this from time to time.
PS-he was also a Lutheran minister
And that is why I am glad to say...I went to school with bobcat83...TR grads...:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy
shooter
10-07-2008, 05:23 PM
Tuesday - page 12
Over under is 20 pages before kick off on Friday. If longhorn or chain get the boot before the game starts all bets are off.
atwelljroc
10-07-2008, 05:34 PM
Tuesday - page 12
Over under is 20 pages before kick off on Friday. If longhorn or chain get the boot before the game starts all bets are off.
Well, at this time...all are being watched, but none have done enough to get kicked off...I just wish they could keep it about the game and not attack posters personally, that's just my opinion and you know what they say about opinion's(it is not very nice, what they say, but they do say it)...shooter, I respect you and your knowledge of the game...thanks...:)
And that is why I am glad to say...I went to school with bobcat83...TR grads...:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy
You mean bobcat is old to :eek::D
bobcat83
10-07-2008, 05:42 PM
You mean bobcat is old to :eek::D
Be careful I played against your dad-we graduated the same year!;)
I am older than Atwell!
saMavsFan
10-07-2008, 05:48 PM
So.. now that things have calmed down a bit, I'm looking at the schedules that will be up ahead of the SV/Madison game. Could be more important (district standings and playoff spots being considered) that Madison win this game.
SV has Madison and Roosevelt left to play (as far as the 6 playoff contenders go). Madison has SV, Reagan, and Roosevelt. It might be more important for Madison to get the win with a more grueling schedule ahead. Then again, with a loss to Reagan already on the books and Roosevelt left to play, it may be more important that SV avoid its 2nd district loss.
What do you guys think?
bobcat83
10-07-2008, 05:59 PM
So.. now that things have calmed down a bit, I'm looking at the schedules that will be up ahead of the SV/Madison game. Could be more important (district standings and playoff spots being considered) that Madison win this game.
SV has Madison and Roosevelt left to play (as far as the 6 playoff contenders go). Madison has SV, Reagan, and Roosevelt. It might be more important for Madison to get the win with a more grueling schedule ahead. Then again, with a loss to Reagan already on the books and Roosevelt left to play, it may be more important that SV avoid its 2nd district loss.
What do you guys think?
As for SV-from a District Standpoint-of course they want the championship so it's important.
From a playoff standpoint-They would want to be the #1 seed D2 to most probably play Austin High in rd 1.They beat them 34-0 last year. If they are the #2 seed they would get Pflugerville which could arguably be the toughest game including Regional 4 finals should they be so fortunate to make it that far.Reagan holds the tie-breaker should they finish with identical records.I see Reagan losing at least 1 more.
I know there is a chance SV could go D1 but both Reagan and NB would have to make the playoffs with Roosevelt the odd man out.TR vs NB this week will go a long way in deciding that.
Guess it's just important either way!
mad2009
10-07-2008, 06:32 PM
So, I have been reading this thread since it started! And to be honest I am so angry at many of the comments that I just had to become a member so I could say something!
BOTH of these teams are good and they both deserve recognition! Yes Madison might not have the defense that Smithson Valley, but Smithson Valley does not have the offense Madison has!
Guys be respectful to both teams and to each other. A lot of y'all have been leaving rude comments, not just longhorn! :p It makes the teams look bad ! And just remember We are all entitled to our opinions and its not nice to verbally attack someone because their opinion is different then yours.
I love Madison but I also respect Smithson Valley and its time that everyone starts to respect each other. And CKE...dude...Madison and Smithson Valley are rivals, im friends with a lot of the Madison football players and all summer/year they talk about this game. yall might think yall are too good for us but its not like that on our side. We know not only do we have to have the talent but need to the desire inorder to beat yall! We are not going to roll over and die like Mac did! And im sorry if I offened anyone but hey I love football and I can not wait for this game!!
I just pray BOTH sides play clean, keep the trash talk down, and dont get hurt!! ;)
GOOD LUCK TO BOTH TEAMS!!!
...go mavs!!
samavsfan23
10-07-2008, 06:48 PM
Now is the time for me to weigh in. My homer pick is Madison, and I have confidence in our boys, BUT I know SV and playing them always has me on edge.
For one, SV is the epitome of discipline. Yeah they have had uncharacteristic amounts of penalty yards, but Hill runs a very nice program over there.
Two, SV parents and fans are ridiculous. The closest thing to a cult. :D
Now on to the game part.
Aaron Green is a 15 yo beast. I look for him to break out in this game because in prior big matchups he failed to score(Thanks for reminding me CKE.:cool:). He still has a lot growing mentally and physically.
SVs ball control is gonna be a big factor especially combined with their D. Askew will have a little difficulty with the size of SV DBs.
I think what it will come down to is Madison just having too many weapons offensively, and they are gonna come up with one big play on D.
So I anxiously await Friday to see this mythical matchup come to life on the turf.
bobcat83
10-07-2008, 06:53 PM
So, I have been reading this thread since it started! And to be honest I am so angry at many of the comments that I just had to become a member so I could say something!
BOTH of these teams are good and they both deserve recognition! Yes Madison might not have the defense that Smithson Valley, but Smithson Valley does not have the offense Madison has!
Guys be respectful to both teams and to each other. A lot of y'all have been leaving rude comments, not just longhorn! :p It makes the teams look bad ! And just remember We are all entitled to our opinions and its not nice to verbally attack someone because their opinion is different then yours.
I love Madison but I also respect Smithson Valley and its time that everyone starts to respect each other. And CKE...dude...Madison and Smithson Valley are rivals, im friends with a lot of the Madison football players and all summer/year they talk about this game. yall might think yall are too good for us but its not like that on our side. We know not only do we have to have the talent but need to the desire inorder to beat yall! We are not going to roll over and die like Mac did! And im sorry if I offened anyone but hey I love football and I can not wait for this game!!
I just pray BOTH sides play clean, keep the trash talk down, and dont get hurt!! ;)
GOOD LUCK TO BOTH TEAMS!!!
...go mavs!!
First-welcome in if your are a 2009 candidate for graduation-congrats
2nd-don't think CKE or SV people in general think they are too good for anyone.Sure there are always those in every crowd...
3rd-Mac didn't lie down-they got just plain whipped! 3 kids played pretty good games for them-The QB, #66 on the d-line and #9 a safety could really hit.Otherwise SV just beat them at everything they did.Bottomline is SV played a very complete game.Not flashy-kinda boring to some but extremely effective. Every phase and I mean every phase contributed.
This week the opponent is much tougher. It remns to be seen if they can duplicate that.
So, I have been reading this thread since it started! And to be honest I am so angry at many of the comments that I just had to become a member so I could say something!
BOTH of these teams are good and they both deserve recognition! Yes Madison might not have the defense that Smithson Valley, but Smithson Valley does not have the offense Madison has!
Guys be respectful to both teams and to each other. A lot of y'all have been leaving rude comments, not just longhorn! :p It makes the teams look bad ! And just remember We are all entitled to our opinions and its not nice to verbally attack someone because their opinion is different then yours.
I love Madison but I also respect Smithson Valley and its time that everyone starts to respect each other. And CKE...dude...Madison and Smithson Valley are rivals, im friends with a lot of the Madison football players and all summer/year they talk about this game. yall might think yall are too good for us but its not like that on our side. We know not only do we have to have the talent but need to the desire inorder to beat yall! We are not going to roll over and die like Mac did! And im sorry if I offened anyone but hey I love football and I can not wait for this game!!
I just pray BOTH sides play clean, keep the trash talk down, and dont get hurt!! ;)
GOOD LUCK TO BOTH TEAMS!!!
...go mavs!!
I don't doubt that everyone at Madison wants to beat SV but the simple fact is we are more upset about losing to Reagan than if we lost to Madison..it's nothing personal and we do not think we are too good for you we just have not seen Madison as someone that we have to beat every year. You may know football players form Madison but I was one at SV and If you ask every single team over the years that played at SV who they would rather beat it would be Reagan,Judson and then Madison.If y'all think that SV is the top team you want to beat then more power to you.But we respect Madison just as much as the other 2
bobcat83
10-07-2008, 07:07 PM
Now is the time for me to weigh in. My homer pick is Madison, and I have confidence in our boys, BUT I know SV and playing them always has me on edge.
For one, SV is the epitome of discipline. Yeah they have had uncharacteristic amounts of penalty yards, but Hill runs a very nice program over there.
Two, SV parents and fans are ridiculous. The closest thing to a cult. :D
Now on to the game part.
Aaron Green is a 15 yo beast. I look for him to break out in this game because in prior big matchups he failed to score(Thanks for reminding me CKE.:cool:). He still has a lot growing mentally and physically.
SVs ball control is gonna be a big factor especially combined with their D. Askew will have a little difficulty with the size of SV DBs.
I think what it will come down to is Madison just having too many weapons offensively, and they are gonna come up with one big play on D.
So I anxiously await Friday to see this mythical matchup come to life on the turf.
I can buy all of that...
For SV to win the will have to control the ball and score TD's in the redzone not FG's.Brown(QB), Reinhart(RB) and Mathews(WR) all will have have productive games.A couple of big plays on defense-big stops-and they will be in the game.
Green will get his.Hopefully not 250 yds worth.He needs to be hit and know he is in a dog fight.
But the Massey ratings say SV by 3 and this very poll has them ahead by 2 so why even play the game? Let's just all go to New Braunfels and watch the other big matchup in 265A! Nah....that would ruin all the fun.
atwelljroc
10-07-2008, 07:49 PM
I can buy all of that...
For SV to win the will have to control the ball and score TD's in the redzone not FG's.Brown(QB), Reinhart(RB) and Mathews(WR) all will have have productive games.A couple of big plays on defense-big stops-and they will be in the game.
Green will get his.Hopefully not 250 yds worth.He needs to be hit and know he is in a dog fight.
But the Massey ratings say SV by 3 and this very poll has them ahead by 2 so why even play the game? Let's just all go to New Braunfels and watch the other big matchup in 265A! Nah....that would ruin all the fun.
bobcat83...you so funny:D:D:eek: I am looking forward to this weekend in 26-5A...this is a very competitive district...always has been(as far as I remember) and always will be...
Play the game, make the plays, have the mistakes, suprise all with the talent...but do it in the Lord's name!!! :notworthy:notworthy
mad_fan
10-07-2008, 08:45 PM
So.. now that things have calmed down a bit, I'm looking at the schedules that will be up ahead of the SV/Madison game. Could be more important (district standings and playoff spots being considered) that Madison win this game.
SV has Madison and Roosevelt left to play (as far as the 6 playoff contenders go). Madison has SV, Reagan, and Roosevelt. It might be more important for Madison to get the win with a more grueling schedule ahead. Then again, with a loss to Reagan already on the books and Roosevelt left to play, it may be more important that SV avoid its 2nd district loss.
What do you guys think?
Grueling???
I thought that was 2005...
Week 8...Judson...
Week 9...SV...
Week 10...Mac...
mad_fan
10-07-2008, 08:53 PM
CKE knows that I have a sister living in a trailor ;) by the lake...
And I have nieces and a nephew that called SV home...
My sister also graduated from Madison...
We ain't rivals...
Just bad neighbors...:D
saMavsFan
10-07-2008, 08:53 PM
I don't doubt that everyone at Madison wants to beat SV but the simple fact is we are more upset about losing to Reagan than if we lost to Madison..it's nothing personal and we do not think we are too good for you we just have not seen Madison as someone that we have to beat every year. You may know football players form Madison but I was one at SV and If you ask every single team over the years that played at SV who they would rather beat it would be Reagan,Judson and then Madison.If y'all think that SV is the top team you want to beat then more power to you.But we respect Madison just as much as the other 2
I seem to remember a certain someone saying this before we met in the quarterfinals last year.;) Honestly though, from Madison's standpoint, this is a great rivalry game. SV is an awesome program that beat us 5 times in a row.:mad: I can personally vouch for that!:mad: So we want to beat you guys every time we face you.
I can see the SV point of view also. Reagan up and beat you guys when you were rolling in 2006 and again this year. Makes you want to beat them. And Judson is by far the most successful program south Texas has ever seen. I think every team should aspire to be at that level. Historically speaking, SV has done more than Madison has and would hope to match a team like Judson. Doesn't have a thing to do with what will happen this year or next year or 10 years from now. But as it stands now, the SV program has surpassed Madison's.
We're still winning on Friday though
mad_fan
10-07-2008, 08:55 PM
So, I have been reading this thread since it started! And to be honest I am so angry at many of the comments that I just had to become a member so I could say something!
BOTH of these teams are good and they both deserve recognition! Yes Madison might not have the defense that Smithson Valley, but Smithson Valley does not have the offense Madison has!
Guys be respectful to both teams and to each other. A lot of y'all have been leaving rude comments, not just longhorn! :p It makes the teams look bad ! And just remember We are all entitled to our opinions and its not nice to verbally attack someone because their opinion is different then yours.
I love Madison but I also respect Smithson Valley and its time that everyone starts to respect each other. And CKE...dude...Madison and Smithson Valley are rivals, im friends with a lot of the Madison football players and all summer/year they talk about this game. yall might think yall are too good for us but its not like that on our side. We know not only do we have to have the talent but need to the desire inorder to beat yall! We are not going to roll over and die like Mac did! And im sorry if I offened anyone but hey I love football and I can not wait for this game!!
I just pray BOTH sides play clean, keep the trash talk down, and dont get hurt!! ;)
GOOD LUCK TO BOTH TEAMS!!!
...go mavs!!
Nice first post...
Welcome to the board...
If it counts for anything...
It has gotten uglier in the past...:)
CKE knows that I have a sister living in a trailor ;) by the lake...
And I have nieces and a nephew that called SV home...
My sister also graduated from Madison...
We ain't rivals...
Just bad neighbors...:D
This
saMavsFan
10-07-2008, 08:56 PM
Grueling???
I thought that was 2005...
Week 8...Judson...
Week 9...SV...
Week 10...Mac...
Yeah, that was bad. This year's Reagan, Roosevelt, and SV teams are pretty darn good themselves. SV week 6, Reagan week9, Roosevelt week 10...:eek:
I seem to remember a certain someone saying this before we met in the quarterfinals last year.;) Honestly though, from Madison's standpoint, this is a great rivalry game. SV is an awesome program that beat us 5 times in a row.:mad: I can personally vouch for that!:mad: So we want to beat you guys every time we face you.
I can see the SV point of view also. Reagan up and beat you guys when you were rolling in 2006 and again this year. Makes you want to beat them. And Judson is by far the most successful program south Texas has ever seen. I think every team should aspire to be at that level. Historically speaking, SV has done more than Madison has and would hope to match a team like Judson. Doesn't have a thing to do with what will happen this year or next year or 10 years from now. But as it stands now, the SV program has surpassed Madison's.
We're still winning on Friday though
Like I said we respect Madison just as much as the other 2 schools but we would much rather beat Reagan because the boundary line for schools back up to one another and the kids know each other so well.SV and Judson are the 2 programs in the city in the past ten years with an outstanding win loss record and and the paper makes them more of a rival than the schools.
atwelljroc
10-07-2008, 09:28 PM
Like I said we respect Madison just as much as the other 2 schools but we would much rather beat Reagan because the boundary line for schools back up to one another and the kids know each other so well.SV and Judson are the 2 programs in the city in the past ten years with an outstanding win loss record and and the paper makes them more of a rival than the schools.
Good night all, it is past my bed time, wait, I am still at work...oh well:confused::confused: See you all tomorrow around 1pm...that is when I come to work...:D:D:D
longhorn3
10-07-2008, 10:34 PM
well sv can prolly beat half those teams so those rankings mean nothing to me.....i dont believe madison has a tougher schedule.....sorry....its not classless saying that tivy is worse than judson....i said at the end of my post that i like tivy.....i still believe that judson is better.....trust me i highly doubt neone on this forum would call me classless.....however 90% would call u classless.....its not what u say its the way u say it.....u have lack of knowledge in the sport so theres really no reason for ur comments on here....
Nice post...best of luck to both teams
longhorn3
10-07-2008, 10:39 PM
I do not often point out one person as being the problem, but today, my heart has lead me to do this...Mr. Longhorn...you have a problem...you either do not have a good life or have some other problem going on...and I pray for you about that!!!
This site was set up to talk about football and support our high school kids and the effort they put in...you do not discuss that, you try to turn everything into a fight, you are an instigator...that is what you do...and yes there are those out there that will fight you because you irritate them until they respond...you do this not for football, but to get a rise out of them, nothing else...and that, is very sad!!! Sure we all have our days where some other poster gets under our skin, but with you it is everyone, even Madison supporters???
You say you cheer for Madison...then "Cheer for Madison", do not spend time trying to incite others to fight you...if you believe Madison will win...then state why and move on...
I am sending a PM to KT2000 to have you banded from this site, it will say to give you one last chance to change how you respond, if you can't, I have asked him to take you from this site permanently...sorry for this going to this point, but you need to understand what this site is for...it is not to fight with everyone on here, it is to discuss football, games, and the kids, coaches and schools that make this great game "high school football" happen each week.
Sorry i have offended you...thanks for the prayer, i do appreciate it...as i will pray for you as well...god bless you and be safe at work..
#1texasgreat
10-07-2008, 10:57 PM
Nice post...best of luck to both teams
i thought so too.....ty as well
saMavsFan
10-08-2008, 12:37 PM
this thread stalled. see what happens when these two teams play, we're all burned out by day 2. two more days. Just want to say, SV is always a fantastic host. Hope you guys have a good time at Comalander this week. Not quite the view that Spring Branch provides, but hey, no one will be paying any attention to that after the kickoff.
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