Trinity vs. Plano East

[gritty52]

I'll get this one started for the ET folks. We played I feel sluggish against KFR. I sure hope we pick it up a notch vs. PESH. They are saying this may be the best D we see all year. Don't know that much about them. Trevor showed a very good arm this week and hope he keeps it going. HAKA!!!!! :D :D :D

[ths76021]

ET did look a little sluggish. However, it is getting a bit frustrating watch the coaches trying to force the run when defenses has 11 people within 7 yrds of the line of scrimmage. Trevor has always had the arm to keep things going, however, the play calling never gives him the opportunity to display his ability to throw the ball down the field and loosen up a defense. What is the point of having a qb with the arm and ability to get the ball down the field if the coachs only allow him to throw an avg of 8 times a game? Its not hard to figure out that they aren't going to pass much is it? Don't get me wrong, with Nance and Handy running, it is easy to see why they run so much. However, the coaches needed to open it up a bit as team are and will be keying more on the run and they will have to give the opponents something else to think about.

[TrojanHorse03]

ET did look a little sluggish. However, it is getting a bit frustrating watch the coaches trying to force the run when defenses has 11 people within 7 yrds of the line of scrimmage. Trevor has always had the arm to keep things going, however, the play calling never gives him the opportunity to display his ability to throw the ball down the field and loosen up a defense. What is the point of having a qb with the arm and ability to get the ball down the field if the coachs only allow him to throw an avg of 8 times a game? Its not hard to figure out that they aren't going to pass much is it? Don't get me wrong, with Nance and Handy running, it is easy to see why they run so much. However, the coaches needed to open it up a bit as team are and will be keying more on the run and they will have to give the opponents something else to think about.

Im sorry but ur post is a lil misguided. I think this is exactly the kind of game that should be called. Them most important thing is the balance, Trevor was able to hit on sum big pass play when we did throw it. An 80yd pass to Scoggins, and a beautiful 35 yd td both on the part of Trevor and Ryan Buck. They even threw to Ryan Jones who almost got a touchdown to open things up. As well this actually the way the team would prefer to play, because they feel no team can stand up to the pounding for 48 minutes, they just wear teams out. In the past, as I can personally attest we had tended to get to tricky when ever wed play a good defense, instead of being patient with the running game even when the other team knew we were going to run it right at them. Basically I believe the formula of phsically wearing teams out, and then getting big back for our buck when we do throw it will take us very far.

[hollywood]

Im sorry but ur post is a lil misguided. I think this is exactly the kind of game that should be called. Them most important thing is the balance, Trevor was able to hit on sum big pass play when we did throw it. An 80yd pass to Scoggins, and a beautiful 35 yd td both on the part of Trevor and Ryan Buck. They even threw to Ryan Jones who almost got a touchdown to open things up. As well this actually the way the team would prefer to play, because they feel no team can stand up to the pounding for 48 minutes, they just wear teams out. In the past, as I can personally attest we had tended to get to tricky when ever wed play a good defense, instead of being patient with the running game even when the other team knew we were going to run it right at them. Basically I believe the formula of phsically wearing teams out, and then getting big back for our buck when we do throw it will take us very far.

I think the focus on the running game got Trinity where they are. You should do what you do best. However, I actually came away with the impression that Trinity could if they wanted to, throw more often and more effectivley. When teams stack the line they should be able to hit big gainers and they did this week. The run sets up the pass for them. One advantage of grinding out the yardage is that when you are grinding the other teams, their offense is not on the field. That in itself limits just how many points the other team can put up. I can see now though how SGP was able to matchup well against Trinity where others might not.

[ths76021]

Don't get me wrong. You should dance with the one that brought you to the dance. Trinity is known for its power running game and by no means am I saying that they should get away from that. However, it would be nice to see them open up the play book a bit. Heck, a couple of times Trinity had 2nd and a couple of inchs or a foot, not even a yard. Why not take a shot down the field. With that line, someone would have to have a mammoth effort to stop you from getting a foot or inches on 3rd down. Why not try passing on 1st down every now and then. Don't just wait to pass when its 3rd and 6 or more. Hell, the entire stadium knows whats coming. Though in Trinitys case, that doesn't mean a pass will come either. The run in Trinity's power and don't get away from what you do best, but a little variety would definately have the defense wondering where they are going to get hit from next.. Will it be Nance, Handy or Vittatoe hitting a receiver down field. I'm just saying it would be nice to see Trinity coming at opponents with all of their weapons instead of just the running game. Vittatoe only threw 86 passes in 10 games. Add 9 from Saturday against KFR, heck he's about to cross the century mark and it will have only taken 12 games to do that. Vittatoe is a valid treat that could be used more to make people really think about the potency of the Trinity offense and what is coming next. Can anyone argue that?

[Butch Fifield]

Plano East has a very stout run defense.

Plano East also has no offense.

They are going to have to cause some turnovers to give their offense a chance to score and to win.

[allendad]

watch for #24(I think) on defense.

They have a safety that is in on EVERY stinki' tackle.

He's a freak! He's all over the place.

He's all universe!

Go PESH!

Make 8-5A proud!

Allendad

[stinger]

Number 24 needs to listen for footsteps when number 79 or 76 are downfield doing a pancake block. Trinity linemen are famous for that. It's difficult to tackle both a lineman and the running back. In this case the question will be: " Did you get the license number of that truck??!!"

[ALLIN]

You got that right. East defense was all over us (SLC) when we played them. It seemed like they were right with our rec all night. And their run defense was good too. Score 14 and you will win, which should happen. Their offense is bad.

[dragonsdaddy]

when the brackets were established 3 weeks ago, i put pesh down for a 2 game tourney, with a sure loss to et. after watching them last evening, i am retracting that and believe the et-pesh game will be one for the ages(if you like low scoring games). i've got the over-under at 29. pesh's defense will have to play the pass better than fridge did, and their o will have to find a way to score at least 14. considering that the fridge d is a gauze curtain compared to pesh, i feel really good for a panther win. strangely enough, i feel better about the orients than i do my beloved wildcats. now i've got to go wash my mouth out with the industrial strength scope.

[farmerfan]

I still dont think Coach Lineweaver is giving Handy enough carries. I think this week Trinity should come out and establish the running game with Handy, it is obvious after SGP and I-Mac that teams are keying on Nance, it could take a lot of presure off if Trinity would go back to the dive and trap plays that Handy runs so successfull. If Handy gets estabalished early enough it will open things up for not only the passing game but also for Nance. Trinity was able to throw the ball on Ridge and I think they will do the same to East, Trinity played a sloppy game against Ridge and still managed 400 yards of offense and 35 points. I dont think their is a defense in this state that will hold Trinity under 21 points and that includes PESH. I also dont see the PESH offense scoring more than 21 points, so I think Trinity comes away with a pretty decisive victory.

[The Great Evaluator]

Farmerfan,

Once again an accurate analysis of the Trojans. I will disagree only slightly with you, for me the acid test was SGP. They held THS to 28 so i would say 28 is the benchmark. I don't think anyone out there holds them under 28 and PESH will give them a stiff challenge but I like the Trojans 34-20 on Saturday- very similar to the Fossil Ridge game. By the way where you sittin for that one? I'll look for ya if your going.

[farmerfan]

I usually sit on the 183 side, I have found that it makes for a easier exit out of TX stadium than the loop 12-114 side. I will be on the Trinity side and depending on who I sit with it will very. I have enjoyed sitting with Baylordad and one of his friends during the SGP and I-Mac games, and that is usually on the 50 about 30 rows up. This last week, I was with a friend and his dad, so we sat in section 25 where we could spread out more. This week I will probably come alone so my guess is around the 50 which I think is section 27. Just look for a red faded Boston hat and depending on the weather possibly a red sox jacket. I will PM at the end of the week and maybe we can desginate a meeting place at tx stadium.

[The Great Evaluator]

Sounds cool, look forward it!

[toonman]

Trinity wins this easy.

[bhs06_2]

Let me say this: When the other team is on defense and Vittatoe hands off to the back, all the defense will want to get to the ball before the huge lineman knock them out. But when Vittatoe pulls the ball back and bootlegs out, there is no one on any reciever because all the defense has jumped up. He can throw it to whoever he wants. It happened a lot against us and we shut it down(5-12, 77 yards I believe) because of this:

MAN COVERAGE.

Zone coverage is just asking to bite up on play action.

Fossil Ridge did a decent job as they had the Trojan Recievers covered for most plays except a few.. the Ryan Buck TD was lucky because I was right there at the play and watched the ball go right through the Fossil Ridge defender's hands.

I believe Plano East has a good defense but a 5-5 team has no business being in the playoffs anyway. Another cupcake for the Trojans. And PEHS, please use your BRAIN unlike Fossil Ridge's coaches. Trinity has a GOOD run defense and BAD pass defense, not the other way around. Yet, Fossil Ridge decided to run the ball EVERY PLAY... and when they ACTUALLY PASSED they did good, with all their incompletions being drops.

Trinity - 35
PEHS - 21

[gritty52]

Bhs yaw shut what down??? Yaw didn't shut anything down when we waxed you folks. There was no need to run up the score. Enlight us on what you shut down if you can???

[ths76021]

BHS is at it again. I was at the ET vs Bell game. Vittatoe had probably his worse passing night in his career. That was in no way attributed to the Bell defense. Vittatoe's stats reflect how bad he was off the mark that night. He is usually very accurate, however that night he was off. He had wide open receivers all night, that he simply over threw and missed. Bell's defense didn't shut down anything. Don't try to make it look like Bell did anything to affect Vittatoe play that night. Vittatoe sat in the pocket without being pressured all night as well.

It's finally nice to see BHS back. He were gone along time after his prediction of Bell beating ET and his pregame assessment.

[RidgePride]

I'll get this one started for the ET folks. We played I feel sluggish against KFR. I sure hope we pick it up a notch vs. PESH. They are saying this may be the best D we see all year. Don't know that much about them. Trevor showed a very good arm this week and hope he keeps it going. HAKA!!!!! :D :D :D
You guys have got to be kidding me. PESH is not as good as Fossil Ridge - not even their defense- Not even close. They are a 5-5 Team that was lucky to beat an Arlington team that would have finished 5th in 5-5A. Ridge did not give a single running break away touchdown.

Trinity looked sluggish because Nance did not have all the Break away runs that he is used to. Sluggish would be if the quarterback was over or under throwing receivers Like against Bell.

PESH should in no way be considered a threat.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

You guys have got to be kidding me. PESH is not as good as Fossil Ridge - not even their defense- Not even close. They are a 5-5 Team that was lucky to beat an Arlington team that would have finished 5th in 5-5A. Ridge did not give a single running break away touchdown.

Trinity looked sluggish because Nance did not have all the Break away runs that he is used to. Sluggish would be if the quarterback was over or under throwing receivers Like against Bell.

PESH should in no way be considered a threat.

You sir are an idiot. Plano East has twice the defense Ridge has. I believe Plano beat the girl out of you by 38, 52-14 and beat East only 24-7. 8-5A is from top to bottom a stronger district than yours. You have SL and DR. After that you are all a bunch of suburban average joe teams that try to mimic what SL does but fail to do so. :D

[gritty52]

OK I believe you there Ridge! Some of the people next to us in the stands said PESH had a pretty good D. Yaw played us defensively as good as MAC or SGP. What I meant about Trinity being sluggish was I've watched them for a long time and the spark I was used to seeing was a smolder. Once again you folks stopped us as good as anyone has this year. Good luck next year who knows we might be in the same district. :D :D :D

[hollywood]

You sir are an idiot. Plano East has twice the defense Ridge has. I believe Plano beat the girl out of you by 38, 52-14 and beat East only 24-7. 8-5A is from top to bottom a stronger district than yours. You have SL and DR. After that you are all a bunch of suburban average joe teams that try to mimic what SL does but fail to do so. :D

The sir part makes it ok to say idiot. You can also mix in a with all due respect and then let it fly. I think you were too timid with the twice the defense. Why not say better by a quantum amount and then when challenged say you were using base 2. I actually think the beat the girl out of you had some (pinasch->panache) flair. Comparing scores is all we have to go by much of the time, but it is not very reliable. Often it is about matchups.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

bhs06 - with friends like you, who needs enemies!!!! Let it go - Trinity beat Bell 42-0 - so who shut down who?

[planoeast]

how bout them cowboys?!

[hollywood]

how bout them cowboys?!

Roy Williams pulled a Malcolm Williams! Took one to the house to seal the deal.

[gritty52]

What a XMAS present Mcnabb gave the Cowboys and Williams!!! :confused:

[bhs06_2]

bhs06 - with friends like you, who needs enemies!!!! Let it go - Trinity beat Bell 42-0 - so who shut down who?

Even an idiot would have noticed our wide recievers were whipping your secondary every play... the only problem was our QB who was playing way too conservative, but who wouldn't. The first game of his life to start(even in Jr High he didn't start) and its the biggest game of the year! He still completed half his passes, and his longest one of the night was called back because of a clip!

[rancher52]

BHS is at it again. I was at the ET vs Bell game. Vittatoe had probably his worse passing night in his career. That was in no way attributed to the Bell defense. Vittatoe's stats reflect how bad he was off the mark that night. He is usually very accurate, however that night he was off. He had wide open receivers all night, that he simply over threw and missed. Bell's defense didn't shut down anything. Don't try to make it look like Bell did anything to affect Vittatoe play that night. Vittatoe sat in the pocket without being pressured all night as well.

It's finally nice to see BHS back. He were gone along time after his prediction of Bell beating ET and his pregame assessment.

BHS did misrepresent. Vittatoe actually had 137 yards passing (not 77) that night and it was somewhat of an off night. More importantly ET picked up just shy of 10 yards everytime they ran the ball (339 yards). For anyone to suggest that any element of the game was "shut down" is way off base.

[owlbandad]

The way you guys are talking about Plano East does not connect in my head with the football team I saw back in week 0. When they played Garland they looked terrible, but it sounds like they're doing pretty good now. How much has Plano East improved since then and how have they done it?

regards,

owlbandad

Please, please, please Mr. Hollywood, if you don't know that it's "panache" and not "pinasch", then leave it alone and use a simple word like "style". Leave the literary criticism to the literate.

[photoguy]

A very good defensive game against Trinity will be holding them to 28 points, and I don't think PE is capable of that.

Don't compare the FR defense that played Plano in week 2 with the team that played Trinity in Week 11. FR had three defensive starters hurt to start the season, and they were an inexperienced defense to start with.

Even if you slow down the Trinity running game they still get 3-4 yards per carry and can grind out 28 points.

The FR game plan was to hold Trinity to 28 and score in the 30s. The defense did it's job (one score with an interception returned to the 1) but the offense didn't move the ball like they have in the last 6 games of the season.

My son is a FR defenisve tackle (#99) and was worn out after the game from the pounding that Trinity's line gives. But, Trinity will have to be more balanced to win state. FR played a 5-man line, swapping a defensive back for a 300-pound tackle to slow down the Trinity offense.

The 80-yard TD was blown coverage by linebacker who got new coverage responsibility with the defensive changes.

[RidgePride]

You sir are an idiot. Plano East has twice the defense Ridge has. I believe Plano beat the girl out of you by 38, 52-14 and beat East only 24-7. 8-5A is from top to bottom a stronger district than yours. You have SL and DR. After that you are all a bunch of suburban average joe teams that try to mimic what SL does but fail to do so. :D

I have seen PESH play twice and was not at all impressed. Pesh VS Plano is a rivalry game and anything can happen in a rivalry game. Just look at SLC vs Grapevine.

Allen Lost to Plano 45-7
Allen Beat Pesh 10-3

We will see if Pesh Holds Trinity under 35 -

[RidgePride]

A very good defensive game against Trinity will be holding them to 28 points, and I don't think PE is capable of that.

Don't compare the FR defense that played Plano in week 2 with the team that played Trinity in Week 11. FR had three defensive starters hurt to start the season, and they were an inexperienced defense to start with.

My son is a FR defenisve tackle (#99) and was worn out after the game from the pounding that Trinity's line gives. But, Trinity will have to be more balanced to win state. FR played a 5-man line, swapping a defensive back for a 300-pound tackle to slow down the Trinity offense.

The 80-yard TD was blown coverage by linebacker who got new coverage responsibility with the defensive changes.

Ridge had two sophomores starting on the Defensive line - One was an end 6'4" 235 the other is 6'5 about 290 and a Junior about 6'3 270.
We were very young against Plano -

Again Plano and Pesh is a rival game too

[planoeast]

Ridge is garbage

[RidgePride]

Ridge is garbage
So is PESH

Refer to my signature please.

[hollywood]

The way you guys are talking about Plano East does not connect in my head with the football team I saw back in week 0. When they played Garland they looked terrible, but it sounds like they're doing pretty good now. How much has Plano East improved since then and how have they done it?

regards,

owlbandad

Please, please, please Mr. Hollywood, if you don't know that it's "panache" and not "pinasch", then leave it alone and use a simple word like "style". Leave the literary criticism to the literate.

I'll go with the Office Space "flair" then. Thanks

[PaulinPlano]

You sir are an idiot. Plano East has twice the defense Ridge has. I believe Plano beat the girl out of you by 38, 52-14 and beat East only 24-7. 8-5A is from top to bottom a stronger district than yours. You have SL and DR. After that you are all a bunch of suburban average joe teams that try to mimic what SL does but fail to do so. :D

I think the halftime score was 7-0. It was the closest 24 - 7 game I have seen. But the East defense spent too much time on the field.

[PaulinPlano]

The way you guys are talking about Plano East does not connect in my head with the football team I saw back in week 0. When they played Garland they looked terrible, but it sounds like they're doing pretty good now. How much has Plano East improved since then and how have they done it?

regards,

owlbandad

Please, please, please Mr. Hollywood, if you don't know that it's "panache" and not "pinasch", then leave it alone and use a simple word like "style". Leave the literary criticism to the literate.

They changed QBs and kicking game about the 4th game of the year. Offense
is better.

[PaulinPlano]

We will see if Pesh Holds Trinity under 35 -

:rolleyes:

I don't think that will be a problem.

[RidgePride]

You guys have got to be kidding me. PESH is not as good as Fossil Ridge - not even their defense- Not even close. They are a 5-5 Team that was lucky to beat an Arlington team that would have finished 5th in 5-5A. Ridge did not give a single running break away touchdown.

Trinity looked sluggish because Nance did not have all the Break away runs that he is used to. Sluggish would be if the quarterback was over or under throwing receivers Like against Bell.

PESH should in no way be considered a threat.


I think my point Is well proven - - :D


You sir are an idiot. Plano East has twice the defense Ridge has. I believe Plano beat the girl out of you by 38, 52-14 and beat East only 24-7. 8-5A is from top to bottom a stronger district than yours. You have SL and DR. After that you are all a bunch of suburban average joe teams that try to mimic what SL does but fail to do so. :D


Trinity 42
PESH 0

almost halftime
oooooh
The feared Plano East Defense
soooo close - ouch!

Trinity 56
PESH 20

almost over...

Actually the game was over When Lineweaver took out his starters...
HALFTIME

You call me an idiot for no reason - - You better darn sure know what you are talking about. :)

[RidgePride]

:rolleyes:

I don't think that will be a problem.
Trinity 42
PESH 0

almost halftime



REALLY???

[PaulinPlano]

Congratulations to ET. East once again imploded with
two fumbles, an interception and a muffed kickoff in the first half.

East actually had ET stopped on their first drive, but they faked a punt and go t the first down and the touchdown. Very aggresive tone set and it just rolled from their. East drove to the Trinity 9-yard line on its next possession down 14-0 but then fumbled.

So I would not say that East could not move the ball on ET or that their defense could not slow down ET, But ET took advantage of mistakes like a good playoff team should and just drilled Us.

I am disappointed East did not make a better showing.

Again, congratulations ET.