Longview

[rich_pack]

What happened to Longview? I havenot heard anyone really talk about the game. Matter of fact, I have not even seen a longview fan post since yesterday. I was really hoping to see another game between Lufkin-Longview, but will have to wait. Hope you guys keeps your heads up because you still had a great season.

[GarlandOwl06]

I think the only thing that would have made this season great for Longview fans is at least getting to a rematch with Lufkin in round 3 not to mention that they thought they could win state, which they probably could have. 11-5a is a good district I hear, a sweep in round 1.

[stallion2owl]

What happened to Longview? I havenot heard anyone really talk about the game. Matter of fact, I have not even seen a longview fan post since yesterday. I was really hoping to see another game between Lufkin-Longview, but will have to wait. Hope you guys keeps your heads up because you still had a great season.

I work in Longview four days a week... and they say WE talk a lot in Garland :confused:

Lobo fans are the cockiest fans. Today, they have nothing to say.

[LoboFan07]

I've said my comments on the game already. Why shoudl we say something when well some of us have already said them.

We lost theres no way around it. What else do you want us to say? We missed two field goals...lost us the game. We had over 120 yards in penalties..lost us the game. We played HORRIBLE the entire game..lost us the game.

[JoeC]

I have a lot to say but I know people will find a way to call us cry babies or something of that nature . . . I am not the one to call this a conspiracy (I don't think it was of that magnitude) - what I will say is that my Lobos didn't lose, it is my belief that they were ousted . . . Oh yeah, we missed the (21 -yard - - at the four yard line) field in the closing seconds that would have still won the game. That's not what I am talking about, LV lost this game in the first half - I reluctantly knew it and so did many other LV fans. I've watched Texas HS Football for some 30 years now and I have never (never ever never) seen a more terribly called football game in my entire life. I dare and ask this question, what chapter was these official out of????????????. . . Penalties where there were no penalties and vice versa, the interference call where there was none, phantom late hits, the taking away of three points after the field goal had already been made (mysteriously, SG had called for a timeout), phantom unsportsmanlike conduct . . . let me stop, because I am still pissed!!! Damn near every time we would make a big play it would be followed by a yellow flag; sadly, we came to expect it!! I remember looking at the frustration of our players and fans. Immediately after we went up 10-0 early in the second quarter is when the debauchery began. . . Maybe I am being overly emotional, but I don't think so -all of LV fans were totally drained before the half. We knew we had already been beaten. I can only imagine what the players were going through. Appearance wise, they looked like walking zombies (the walkng dead). Not to take anything away from SG (you get away with what you can), but I saw LV players tackled by their face mask, SG players blatantly holding, illegal blocks and sadly with the officials within five feet of the act; and what was even worse, LV was the team bombarded with penalties. A sea of yellow flags . . . When LV coaches questioned calls and none calls they were hastily waved off . . . If its possible for politics to be this abrasive in THSF (and I am now convinced that it is), well . . . It is of my opinion that this game film needs to be under review by the UIL or whatever governing body of authority. As far as I am concerned, what I and many others saw yesterday left a black-eye on Texas High School Football forever. :o Good luck to everyone else, especially LP, Marshall, Kilgore, Gilmer, Tatum, Palestine, Arp, Omaha Paul Pewitt, Big Sandy, etc., if you're from East Texas, you may very well be next!! :eek:

[LongviewLobo209]

THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE, JUST A STATEMENT.

If you read the Dallas Morning News Article on the Longview, South Garland game, go back and read the last two paragraphs.

The reporter asked head coach John King about the officiating. He replied,"No comment. Put that in bold as the headline."

The fact that the reporter would even ask that question is telling. The fact that any head coach would respond that way is also very telling.



With that being said, I do not think it is a consipiracy. However, this game needs to be reviewed by the UIL, and if they find that this game was that poorly officiated then the officials need to be reprimanded.

[baylordad]

In the Longview Journal today..."We didn't put it away," said Lobo head coach John King. "We got it to where it was just six (points) and you just had to hold your breath, because they were still one possession away from taking the lead. We had opportunities to make it a two-possession game, but they stopped us. They made plays when they had to and that's why they won the game."

[JoeC]

In the Longview Journal today..."We didn't put it away," said Lobo head coach John King. "We got it to where it was just six (points) and you just had to hold your breath, because they were still one possession away from taking the lead. We had opportunities to make it a two-possession game, but they stopped us. They made plays when they had to and that's why they won the game."

Come on . . . what else did you expect him (Coach King) to say. I'll say this again and for the last time, . . . the Lobos didn't lose, they were ousted!!!!

[LPFAN]

Come on . . . what else did you expect him (Coach King) to say. I'll say this again and for the last time, . . . the Lobos didn't lose, they were ousted!!!!
:rolleyes:

[Kingwolf]

we lost, get over it................it happens, this is not the first time a 10-0 LV team was ousted in bi-district, a top ranked Lobo team was in 1984..........

no excuses, they made plays, we didn't.........you cant take the ball inside the twenty three times and come away with no points and blame it on officiating.........

[stallion2owl]

I have a lot to say but I know people will find a way to call us cry babies or something of that nature . . . I am not the one to call this a conspiracy (I don't think it was of that magnitude) - what I will say is that my Lobos didn't lose, it is my belief that they were ousted . . . Oh yeah, we missed the (21 -yard - - at the four yard line) field in the closing seconds that would have still won the game. That's not what I am talking about, LV lost this game in the first half - I reluctantly knew it and so did many other LV fans. I've watched Texas HS Football for some 30 years now and I have never (never ever never) seen a more terribly called football game in my entire life. I dare and ask this question, what chapter was these official out of????????????. . . Penalties where there were no penalties and vice versa, the interference call where there was none, phantom late hits, the taking away of three points after the field goal had already been made (mysteriously, SG had called for a timeout), phantom unsportsmanlike conduct . . . let me stop, because I am still pissed!!! Damn near every time we would make a big play it would be followed by a yellow flag; sadly, we came to expect it!! I remember looking at the frustration of our players and fans. Immediately after we went up 10-0 early in the second quarter is when the debauchery began. . . Maybe I am being overly emotional, but I don't think so -all of LV fans were totally drained before the half. We knew we had already been beaten. I can only imagine what the players were going through. Appearance wise, they looked like walking zombies (the walkng dead). Not to take anything away from SG (you get away with what you can), but I saw LV players tackled by their face mask, SG players blatantly holding, illegal blocks and sadly with the officials within five feet of the act; and what was even worse, LV was the team bombarded with penalties. A sea of yellow flags . . . When LV coaches questioned calls and none calls they were hastily waved off . . . If its possible for politics to be this abrasive in THSF (and I am now convinced that it is), well . . . It is of my opinion that this game film needs to be under review by the UIL or whatever governing body of authority. As far as I am concerned, what I and many others saw yesterday left a black-eye on Texas High School Football forever. :o Good luck to everyone else, especially LP, Marshall, Kilgore, Gilmer, Tatum, Palestine, Arp, Omaha Paul Pewitt, Big Sandy, etc., if you're from East Texas, you may very well be next!! :eek:


As great as the mighty Lobos (State Champs to BE) are, they should have dominated a team from Garland. After all, real football is only played in East Texas. Any time an East Texas team loses, it's a conspiracy by the officials. Everybody knows that. - duh -

[JoeC]

we lost, get over it................it happens, this is not the first time a 10-0 LV team was ousted in bi-district, a top ranked Lobo team was in 1984..........

no excuses, they made plays, we didn't.........you cant take the ball inside the twenty three times and come away with no points and blame it on officiating.........


In some ways I agree . . . with that said, man(!!!) - did you attend this game??? If you did, can you honestly say that this officiating was acceptable?????? And if you can't . . . ask yourself, could I stay motivated (positive) if someone was dragging me through the mud!! Damn man, these are children first and this is no place for this kind of Sh!!tt!!

[Kingwolf]

In some ways I agree . . . with that said, man(!!!) - did you attend this game??? If you did, can you honestly say that this officiating was acceptable?????? And if you can't . . . ask yourself, could I stay motivated (positive) if someone was dragging me through the mud!! Damn man, these are children first and this is no place for this kind of Sh!!tt!!

yes, i was there......saw every bit of it......what about a pass on fourth down when they couldn't stop vondrell or giving the sophomore the ball when he fumbles alot or is that small against that strong of a defense..........

what about that??????????????????

Carlin missing two wide open pass plays b/c he overthrew them.............

what about that????????????????????

their defense had great open field tacklers, many times vondrell had only one to beat and couldn't get past them........

what about that??????????????????

everything played into it......there were so many things in that game, we lost.........

gee whiz, we got beat, accept it, move on, its over............

[JoeC]

yes, i was there......saw every bit of it......what about a pass on fourth down when they couldn't stop vondrell or giving the sophomore the ball when he fumbles alot or is that small against that strong of a defense..........

what about that??????????????????

Carlin missing two wide open pass plays b/c he overthrew them.............

what about that????????????????????

their defense had great open field tacklers, many times vondrell had only one to beat and couldn't get past them........

what about that??????????????????


everything played into it......there were so many things in that game, we lost.........

gee whiz, we got beat, accept it, move on, its over............


I have already accepted the loss (its in the history books already) . . . but I will never accept how we lost. Regarding the bad play (over thrown receivers) and decisions (I agree with the sophomore issue). . . There is an old and I feel appropriate axiom "pressure will burst a pipe." My point is, I feel that the blatanly (yes, I think it was intentional (deliberate, planned, premeditated, etc.)) poor officiating took a nerve racking toll on everyone involved including the team, fans and coaches alike. Do you honestly believe that the officiating had no effect on the play of these kids; if you do, then I must disagree and say that sir, you are dead wrong. Sorry, but I will not accept the way this game was officiated. . . For the sake of the game, all of us should be concerned that politics does not become the norm like in some other states. Texas is bigger than that!!! There is another old saying that goes "silence breeds injustice." For that reason, I still think this game's film needs to be reviewed (scrutinized) by the UIL. That's just my opinion!!!! :cool: And if I and others have to be the voice of contempt, then so be it!! :eek:

[Red Raiders]

I work in Longview four days a week... and they say WE talk a lot in Garland :confused:

Lobo fans are the cockiest fans. Today, they have nothing to say.

I agree they are cockiest fans (Longview).

[Red Raiders]

Does it have to do with the playoffs that Longview lost or is it that they were nervous and thought they were just going to win anyway?

[FootballJunkie]

I have already accepted the loss (its in the history books already) . . . but I will never accept how we lost. Regarding the bad play (over thrown receivers) and decisions (I agree with the sophomore issue). . . There is an old and I feel appropriate axiom "pressure will burst a pipe." My point is, I feel that the blatanly (yes, I think it was intentional (deliberate, planned, premeditated, etc.)) poor officiating took a nerve racking toll on everyone involved including the team, fans and coaches alike. Do you honestly believe that the officiating had no effect on the play of these kids; if you do, then I must disagree and say that sir, you are dead wrong. Sorry, but I will not accept the way this game was officiated. . . For the sake of the game, all of us should be concerned that politics does not become the norm like in some other states. Texas is bigger than that!!! There is another old saying that goes "silence breeds injustice." For that reason, I still think this game's film needs to be reviewed (scrutinized) by the UIL. That's just my opinion!!!! :cool: And if I and others have to be the voice of contempt, then so be it!! :eek:



If it looks like a dog, barks like a dog and smell like a dog, it is a dog...this sounds like an excuse to me. ;)

[slcsportsfan]

Wow!!!!!

Now it is refs that cause Longview to bow out. IF you are the better team, have the best athletes, best coaches, ect. You should win. Maybe this is another eye opener for LV. Maybe their coach was out coached. Maybe they underestimated the opponent. Maybe, they just got beat. Maybe the best East Texas ball is in Lufkin. Seems like the records and stats prove that again this year as well.

I hope that when we get beat (yes, SLC fans there will come a day) that we won't cry about officials losing the game for us.

[gritty52]

Trinity has to beat the zebras every week. Somehow we find a way to win most of the time. We get alot of sideline, and pass interference calls that are outright wrong. For instance we had a interference call yesterday that the defender nailed the receiver at the line of scrimmage the ball was thrown that way and the flag fell. The 5 yard rule don't excist. So shake off the calls, :D because what goes around comes around. Next time you may get the calls

[Redneckn]

Any team that is dominating usually has to find a way to beat the other team and the zebras...
IF the zebras were that bad, then Longview wasn't good and dominating enough to pull it off... IF, that is...
I think Longview just went in and got a little spanking...Longview was not as good as Longview thought they were...

Now, quit your whining and eat your crow.

[trooper82d]

I have a lot to say but I know people will find a way to call us cry babies or something of that nature . . . I am not the one to call this a conspiracy (I don't think it was of that magnitude) - what I will say is that my Lobos didn't lose, it is my belief that they were ousted . . . Oh yeah, we missed the (21 -yard - - at the four yard line) field in the closing seconds that would have still won the game. That's not what I am talking about, LV lost this game in the first half - I reluctantly knew it and so did many other LV fans. I've watched Texas HS Football for some 30 years now and I have never (never ever never) seen a more terribly called football game in my entire life. I dare and ask this question, what chapter was these official out of????????????. . . Penalties where there were no penalties and vice versa, the interference call where there was none, phantom late hits, the taking away of three points after the field goal had already been made (mysteriously, SG had called for a timeout), phantom unsportsmanlike conduct . . . let me stop, because I am still pissed!!! Damn near every time we would make a big play it would be followed by a yellow flag; sadly, we came to expect it!! I remember looking at the frustration of our players and fans. Immediately after we went up 10-0 early in the second quarter is when the debauchery began. . . Maybe I am being overly emotional, but I don't think so -all of LV fans were totally drained before the half. We knew we had already been beaten. I can only imagine what the players were going through. Appearance wise, they looked like walking zombies (the walkng dead). Not to take anything away from SG (you get away with what you can), but I saw LV players tackled by their face mask, SG players blatantly holding, illegal blocks and sadly with the officials within five feet of the act; and what was even worse, LV was the team bombarded with penalties. A sea of yellow flags . . . When LV coaches questioned calls and none calls they were hastily waved off . . . If its possible for politics to be this abrasive in THSF (and I am now convinced that it is), well . . . It is of my opinion that this game film needs to be under review by the UIL or whatever governing body of authority. As far as I am concerned, what I and many others saw yesterday left a black-eye on Texas High School Football forever. :o Good luck to everyone else, especially LP, Marshall, Kilgore, Gilmer, Tatum, Palestine, Arp, Omaha Paul Pewitt, Big Sandy, etc., if you're from East Texas, you may very well be next!! :eek:
Give me a break. I can't beleive you are saying the Lobo's lost because of the refs. The game is played on the field. You sound like the Lufkin fans. You guys are final playing good football teams and your crying. No more 70-0, 52-6 or 67-0 games and your crying. You guys play one of two good teams and that's it and your ranked so high on what has happen in the past. Give me a break. You lost and stop crying. You were due to lost sooner or later. The Copperas Cove Dawgs would have beaten you anyway. We don't cry, we just play hard football and don't worry about the refs. Tell you players good season and turn in their equipment. GO DAWGS GO!!!!!!!

[PurpleNation]

Give me a break. I can't beleive you are saying the Lobo's lost because of the refs. The game is played on the field. You sound like the Lufkin fans. You guys are final playing good football teams and your crying. No more 70-0, 52-6 or 67-0 games and your crying. You guys play one of two good teams and that's it and your ranked so high on what has happen in the past. Give me a break. You lost and stop crying. You were due to lost sooner or later. The Copperas Cove Dawgs would have beaten you anyway. We don't cry, we just play hard football and don't worry about the refs. Tell you players good season and turn in their equipment. GO DAWGS GO!!!!!!!


Cute Lufkin will make you turn in your equipment sooner or later so in about 3 weeks if we play I will give you a baskettball after game so you can start practicing.

[Redneckn]

Cute Lufkin will make you turn in your equipment sooner or later so in about 3 weeks if we play I will give you a baskettball after game so you can start practicing.


Good call..hahaha... That's pretty funny.. I would fall over laffing if after the game somebody tossed a b-ball onto the field...

[Cove1999]

Give me a break. I can't beleive you are saying the Lobo's lost because of the refs. The game is played on the field. You sound like the Lufkin fans. You guys are final playing good football teams and your crying. No more 70-0, 52-6 or 67-0 games and your crying. You guys play one of two good teams and that's it and your ranked so high on what has happen in the past. Give me a break. You lost and stop crying. You were due to lost sooner or later. The Copperas Cove Dawgs would have beaten you anyway. We don't cry, we just play hard football and don't worry about the refs. Tell you players good season and turn in their equipment. GO DAWGS GO!!!!!!!


You are pretty new to be talking all this trash. Considering Cove has not won a dam thing this year or forever for that matter you may want to tone down your rhetoric. We know COVE has a good team but LEANDER is next. You won't have much to say next week if it is COVE that is eliminated. Take it one game at a time and the play on the field will take care of itself. This extra is unnecessary :mad:

[trooper82d]

Any team that is dominating usually has to find a way to beat the other team and the zebras...
IF the zebras were that bad, then Longview wasn't good and dominating enough to pull it off... IF, that is...
I think Longview just went in and got a little spanking...Longview was not as good as Longview thought they were...

Now, quit your whining and eat your crow.
I total agree, I'm tired of hearing how these so called powerhouses Lufkin and Longview had bad games or refs were bad. Give me a brake. Stop go on history of these teams. You need to start looking at 13-5A, it's probably one of the best districts in Texas. Scouts beware of the talent in the Killeen and Copperas Cove area. Lots of raw talent. GO DAWGS GO!!!!!!

[PurpleNation]

I total agree, I'm tired of hearing how these so called powerhouses Lufkin and Longview had bad games or refs were bad. Give me a brake. Stop go on history of these teams. You need to start looking at 13-5A, it's probably one of the best districts in Texas. Scouts beware of the talent in the Killeen and Copperas Cove area. Lots of raw talent. GO DAWGS GO!!!!!!


The Last time Lufkin lost to a team in the Killeen area was in 1998 to state ranked Ellison by 4 points. Since then we Hold like a 10 game winning streak. We beat Killeen High once and Elliskon like 4 times and now just beat HH BTW my brother goes to Killeen high and his friend went to the game against HH and his cousin is Donnie Shorts and he still cheered for Lufkin and admitted that if he could he would leave Killen and play for Lufkin. Lufkin is the Truth (dont say a word SLC fans) LOL but on a cool note goodluck Cove I hope you do your thing.

[LongviewLobo209]

Longview and Lufkin dont go on just history....ignorant statement.

[VB Pack Fan]

I have not seen in here where we said the refs cause us to loose a game. This guy that talking that stuff what has you team done over the last five years, lets compare records, I,m calling you out now :D Trooper82 this is to you just in case you don,t know who I,m calling :eek:

[trooper82d]

I have not seen in here where we said the refs cause us to loose a game. This guy that talking that stuff what has you team done over the last five years, lets compare records, I,m calling you out now :D Trooper82 this is to you just in case you don,t know who I,m calling :eek:
YES WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF YOUR SCHOOL. WHO CARES. IT'S HISTORY. LET'S TALK ABOUT NOW. LONGVIEW, LUFKIN AND CARTER ARE OVER RATED. LUFKIN SHOW US NOTHING YESTERDAY. GOOD D BUT CAN BE SCORED ON. THESE TEAMS ONLY PLAY ONE OR TWO GOOD FOOTBALL TEAMS DURING THE SEASON. COME TO 13-5A AND LETS SEE WHAT YOUR SEASON RECORD WOULD BE.

[trooper82d]

YES WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF YOUR SCHOOL. WHO CARES. IT'S HISTORY. LET'S TALK ABOUT NOW. LONGVIEW, LUFKIN AND CARTER ARE OVER RATED. LUFKIN SHOW US NOTHING YESTERDAY. GOOD D BUT CAN BE SCORED ON. THESE TEAMS ONLY PLAY ONE OR TWO GOOD FOOTBALL TEAMS DURING THE SEASON. COME TO 13-5A AND LETS SEE WHAT YOUR SEASON RECORD WOULD BE.
COVW1999 GET OFF OF MY YOU KNOW WHAT. THE DAWGS ARE ROLLING AND WILL CONTINUE AGAINST LEANDER. I KNOW WE HAVE THE LIONS NEXT AND JACK WILL HAVE THE BOZY READY. THIS IS NOT LAST YEARS TEAM. WE ARE ON A MISSION TO TAKE THE HILL. SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT LEANDER, LET JACK AND THE BOZY TAKE CARE OF THAT. IT'S IN THE BAG. GO DAWGS GO

[Shoot2thrill]

COVW1999 GET OFF OF MY YOU KNOW WHAT. THE DAWGS ARE ROLLING AND WILL CONTINUE AGAINST LEANDER. I KNOW WE HAVE THE LIONS NEXT AND JACK WILL HAVE THE BOZY READY. THIS IS NOT LAST YEARS TEAM. WE ARE ON A MISSION TO TAKE THE HILL. SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT LEANDER, LET JACK AND THE BOZY TAKE CARE OF THAT. IT'S IN THE BAG. GO DAWGS GO

Quit shouting there man! When the scoreboard next weekend shows:

Leander-27
C Cove-20

What are you going to do. Sounds like you need to heed the advice of your fellow Cove posters and chill out a little. ;)

[PurpleNation]

COVW1999 GET OFF OF MY YOU KNOW WHAT. THE DAWGS ARE ROLLING AND WILL CONTINUE AGAINST LEANDER. I KNOW WE HAVE THE LIONS NEXT AND JACK WILL HAVE THE BOZY READY. THIS IS NOT LAST YEARS TEAM. WE ARE ON A MISSION TO TAKE THE HILL. SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT LEANDER, LET JACK AND THE BOZY TAKE CARE OF THAT. IT'S IN THE BAG. GO DAWGS GO



The only Hill Cove will take is when they go down to Wal-Mart and Buy Season #4 King of the Hill. Cove is on a mission this season. Just like last season they were on a mission and got there Butts handed to them in the 1st half. Lufkin is on a mission every year I dont care if we were 0-10 and made the playoffs we will still play like we are #1. Come on Trooper82 holla at me when Cove makes it out of Region 2 as of right now you aint even a regional qualifier in my book. Man hold up Cove got no Regional Championships in there history.

Can hear it.

LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP

If Longview,Lufkin, Carter are all overrated then why are we a combined 32-1 just wondering we all have beat some really good teams.

[LPFAN]

I total agree, I'm tired of hearing how these so called powerhouses Lufkin and Longview had bad games or refs were bad. Give me a brake. Stop go on history of these teams. You need to start looking at 13-5A, it's probably one of the best districts in Texas. Scouts beware of the talent in the Killeen and Copperas Cove area. Lots of raw talent. GO DAWGS GO!!!!!!
You should say "scouts be aware of the talent in Killeen and Copperas Cove" not "scouts beware." The more you type the more foolish you look. Why are you all of the sudden on a Lufkin trip? Just like a typical trash talking cherry. You even got called out by one of your own Cove brothers who obviously has more common football sense then you. When you really look at the big picture in 5A football, having the toughest district or the weakest district does not mean squat. In the end all that matters is holding up a state title trophy. There have been teams from strong districts and weak districts that have managed to do that. Your nonsense will have no bearing on the final outcome of the season and on who raises up that trophy. I have never been one to hype my team up, talk trash about other teams or make any excuses for our team on this forum. But the way you obsess yourself with Lufkin I am beginning to to wonder if you have a secret Love Fantasy about our team. Cove is good and Lufkin is good. Your stupid comments will not change that. Every team is beatable but not every team gets beat. Learn a little about the game before you type your foolishness. :rolleyes:

[Favpack]

I guess I'll state this for the last time - the coaches under-used Vondrell for 2 years. If you're a running team - RUN your best player! Did McGee every carry 28 times in one game? What in goodness name was a sophomore doing getting the rock in a game like this! Poor playcalling will get you killed in a big game. I saw my share of questionable playcalls yesterday too. You notice no one ever questions SLC's playcalling?

[trooper82d]

The only Hill Cove will take is when they go down to Wal-Mart and Buy Season #4 King of the Hill. Cove is on a mission this season. Just like last season they were on a mission and got there Butts handed to them in the 1st half. Lufkin is on a mission every year I dont care if we were 0-10 and made the playoffs we will still play like we are #1. Come on Trooper82 holla at me when Cove makes it out of Region 2 as of right now you aint even a regional qualifier in my book. Man hold up Cove got no Regional Championships in there history.

Can hear it.

LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP LP

If Longview,Lufkin, Carter are all overrated then why are we a combined 32-1 just wondering we all have beat some really good teams.
The reason for the 32-1 is because you are not playing too many good teams. Carter beat a team 72-0 and the team had no first down the entire game. Give me a break. You guys play weak team. Not all the teams are weakbut I would say 90% are. Yes Cove has not made much noise in the past but our time has come. As far as Leander beating us 27-20 it won't happen. Our D won't give up that many points.

[JoeC]

Yeah, the ref's were that bad . . . but clearly you would have to had been there. Listen, even if we had won that game, it would not have changed a damn thing (we would have still been complaining about the refereeing). . . those referees stunk!! And as far making excuses, in the past we have lost to Plano, Lufkin, JT, TL, Marshall, Evangel, Odessa Permian, Klein, Katy and South Garland (2003) and you've never heard us blame the loss on the zebras. . . Why not try and be objective on this one? Why would the news reporter question it? I guess he was a LV fan too. What are you saying, that we are just making this crap up? Are you saying that this is just down right impossible? I can guarantee you this, if you ever face the kind of officiating that we faced yesterday, you'd be complaining too!! I'll tell you what, I'll say what everybody out there seems to want to hear. . . . We just got out-played and out-coached by a better team and the officiating had nothing to do with it!! As a matter of fact, the officiating was absolutely perfect. Now, everybody should be happy!!!!!!! :mad: :D :rolleyes: :cool:

[garlandowl08]

[slight lisp]simmer down guys, just simmer down[/slight lisp]

[trooper82d]

[slight lisp]simmer down guys, just simmer down[/slight lisp]
Oh the refs give me a brake. Just turn your equipment Longview and those Copperas Cove Dawgs.

[garlandowl08]

Oh the refs give me a brake. Just turn your equipment Longview and those Copperas Cove Dawgs.

Say what? I was just messing around...the Owls of Garland are still in the playoffs...

[PurpleNation]

Oh the refs give me a brake. Just turn your equipment Longview and those Copperas Cove Dawgs.



Pretty soon Lufkin will make Cove turn in there eqipment to wait Leander may have you thinking about B ball next week. That is why a 3-7 team beat the crap out our your 2-8 team that losy there games because the district was so tough come on get that "S" out of here.


Her comes Lufkin State Bound

[rich_pack]

I hope this guy comes back when Cove loses soon. I bet he is the type that will disappear from this forum after they loose and you will see nothing of him till next year. Who has Cove played all year? ummm,,,,,thats what I thought. Teams just like everybody else. I hope there are some respectible Cove fans out there besides this guy!!!

[Favpack]

I hope this guy comes back when Cove loses soon. I bet he is the type that will disappear from this forum after they loose and you will see nothing of him till next year. Who has Cove played all year? ummm,,,,,thats what I thought. Teams just like everybody else. I hope there are some respectible Cove fans out there besides this guy!!!

Trooper will disappear into the night when CCove gets beat. If they win state - he'll talk bs for a day and still disappear.

Wonder where Bleedgreen is? I want his take on this poor officiating and Lobo loss.

[JoeC]

For all of you looking to file an official complaint with the UIL. email: uilath@uts.cc.utexas.edu
Contact Charles Breithaupt. I am dead serious, these officials should not have another opportunity to call game. . . :mad: "Silence breeds injustice."

[ThEgReAtOnE]

For all of you looking to file an official complaint with the UIL. email: uilath@uts.cc.utexas.edu
Contact Charles Breithaupt. I am dead serious, these officials should not have another opportunity to call game. . . :mad: "Silence breeds injustice."

Who on here, besides me, thinks if Longview had won the game this JoeC guy wouldn't even bring up this fight?!

Do you really think a HS football coach cares about public relations??!!!...The reason I ask is the head coach gave a statement saying "they beat us, PERIOD!"...."they made the big plays, we didn't".....do you really think he cares so much about PR that he would allow such a crime to have been committed against his players, by the refs??!!

Sorry for loss, but complaining to the UIL is what alot of parents or crazed-fans would do. (Not saying you're one!) Especially if they were beaten by a team they thought wouldn't even stand a chance!

[Redneckn]

Who on here, besides me, thinks if Longview had won the game this JoeC guy wouldn't even bring up this fight?!

Do you really think a HS football coach cares about public relations??!!!...The reason I ask is the head coach gave a statement saying "they beat us, PERIOD!"...."they made the big plays, we didn't".....do you really think he cares so much about PR that he would allow such a crime to have been committed against his players, by the refs??!!

Sorry for loss, but complaining to the UIL is what alot of parents or crazed-fans would do. (Not saying you're one!) Especially if they were beaten by a team they thought wouldn't even stand a chance!


I'm with you on this one TGO...

[Roughrider]

Yeah, the ref's were that bad . . . but clearly you would have to had been there. Listen, even if we had won that game, it would not have changed a damn thing (we would have still been complaining about the refereeing). . . those referees stunk!! And as far making excuses, in the past we have lost to Plano, Lufkin, JT, TL, Marshall, Evangel, Odessa Permian, Klein, Katy and South Garland (2003) and you've never heard us blame the loss on the zebras. . . Why not try and be objective on this one? Why would the news reporter question it? I guess he was a LV fan too. What are you saying, that we are just making this crap up? Are you saying that this is just down right impossible? I can guarantee you this, if you ever face the kind of officiating that we faced yesterday, you'd be complaining too!! I'll tell you what, I'll say what everybody out there seems to want to hear. . . . We just got out-played and out-coached by a better team and the officiating had nothing to do with it!! As a matter of fact, the officiating was absolutely perfect. Now, everybody should be happy!!!!!!! :mad: :D :rolleyes: :cool:

So telling a ref that you want a time out right before the kicker kicks the ball and then getting it is bad officiating?? How about the "no" call pass interfernce call in the second half where huge 88 threw down the defender and caught a 30 plus yard completion and on the same play a late hit was thrown on SG which gave an additional 15 and put you boys into scoring position?? Bad officiating? Did you want them to put it in the endzone for you?? About phantom calls, if you are not on the field how can you determine what is said or who is kicked or who throws a punch?? From what I heard one of the phantom calls was from that big ole' 71 who actually had a few choice words for the official... But I'm sure at home you guys get all that mess worked out while you are feeding the officials before the game?? Give it a break, a pass interference or holding call here or there is one thing, but personal fouls are usually hard to argue.. I'm sure SG probably had the officials in their pocket, not sure how since they were from a chapter in SA (as posted by someone earlier).. I'm sure they had them in their pocket when they beat ya'll in 2003 also?? Go ahead, get it all out. They say crying makes you feel better ;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

So telling a ref that you want a time out right before the kicker kicks the ball and then getting it is bad officiating?? How about the "no" call pass interfernce call in the second half where huge 88 threw down the defender and caught a 30 plus yard completion and on the same play a late hit was thrown on SG which gave an additional 15 and put you boys into scoring position?? Bad officiating? Did you want them to put it in the endzone for you?? About phantom calls, if you are not on the field how can you determine what is said or who is kicked or who throws a punch?? From what I heard one of the phantom calls was from that big ole' 71 who actually had a few choice words for the official... But I'm sure at home you guys get all that mess worked out while you are feeding the officials before the game?? Give it a break, a pass interference or holding call here or there is one thing, but personal fouls are usually hard to argue.. I'm sure SG probably had the officials in their pocket, not sure how since they were from a chapter in SA (as posted by someone earlier).. I'm sure they had them in their pocket when they beat ya'll in 2003 also?? Go ahead, get it all out. They say crying makes you feel better ;)

Heh, Heh, Heh! :D

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I've been gone for 4 days and longview loses?!!! WTF is up with LP winning by 7 in OT?!!!





WB beat Madison????!!!! Must be a miss print right??

[myround0]

11 penalties for 101 yards, that is as bad as the ravens who were penalized 21 times for 104 yards against the Lions earlier this season, it is a joke how refs can determine the outcome of a game and people turn a blind eye to it...just a joke, it still reminds me of the Louisiana, so it is not just refs from other states that don't like we men from east texas, our own kind don't like us...Jealousy and envy, this is why we can't win in this state, we are able to be number ones from any other state, however in the playoffs we can't be a team ranked below 20 because we have to play more than the refs and when we point of these factors peopel want to tell us to shut up and og color. facts are we were jobbed, that is a fact just like they tried to job us in Louisiana,a nd we would have won had the refs not kept us out of the endzone...that is a fact

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I've been gone for 4 days and longview loses?!!! WTF is up with LP winning by 7 in OT?!!!





WB beat Madison????!!!! Must be a miss print right??

Yep scoot.....LV got the sour end by you-know-who South Garland (Again...remember 2003?!), John Tyler got suprised by the Garland Owls and Madison realized they were, well, Madison...they just picked the wrong time to do it!!! Lufkin almost got sent home, as well!!!

All in all.....
It was pretty intense!!

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Yep scoot.....LV got the sour end by you-know-who South Garland (Again...remember 2003?!), John Tyler got suprised by the Garland Owls and Madison realized they were, well, Madison...they just picked the wrong time to do it!!! Lufkin almost got sent home, as well!!!

All in all.....
It was pretty intense!!now i'm pissed. i will be in Waco Saturday!

LP get focused! I've never in my 7 years of watching Panther football seen you lose at a game where i was.

[travisk44]

11 penalties for 101 yards, that is as bad as the ravens who were penalized 21 times for 104 yards against the Lions earlier this season, it is a joke how refs can determine the outcome of a game and people turn a blind eye to it...just a joke, it still reminds me of the Louisiana, so it is not just refs from other states that don't like we men from east texas, our own kind don't like us...Jealousy and envy, this is why we can't win in this state, we are able to be number ones from any other state, however in the playoffs we can't be a team ranked below 20 because we have to play more than the refs and when we point of these factors peopel want to tell us to shut up and og color. facts are we were jobbed, that is a fact just like they tried to job us in Louisiana,a nd we would have won had the refs not kept us out of the endzone...that is a fact

Goodness give it a rest! You are just preaching to the choir! I agree some call against the Lobos were uncalled for but so were some against South Garland! A lot of call that should have been called weren't on both sides. Longview's season is over. Can't you just accept it for what it is? Here's a quote from another SG fan on another site:
"So I guess the refs are responsible for not making a touchdown when the Lobos have a 1st and 5? after the fake punt? I guess the refs are responsible for the Lobos not making a 1st down on 4th and 1 in the third quarter. I guess the refs are responsible for the Lobos not picking up a 1st down on 3rd and 1 on the SG 5 at the end of the game. I guess it was the refs who limited McGee to 40 rushing yards in the second half when the Lobos had only one penalty, unsportmanship after the missed field goals.

I guess the Lobos did not benefit from a SG penalty moving the ball from the 11 to the 16 of Longview on SG's first TD. I guess the Lobos did not benefit from a holding call against SG on SG's final TD drive which ultimately turned a 2nd and 1 to a 3rd and 11. I guess the referees converted that third down pass.

I guess the referees hurt Longview on a third and long in the 3rd quarter when the big tight end caught a pass and SG was called for roughing the passer who was out of the pocket.

The only reason SG won was because of the referees? SG is just a lousy football team that can not do anything right? PLEASE!!!!!"

[ThEgReAtOnE]

now i'm pissed. i will be in Waco Saturday!

LP get focused! I've never in my 7 years of watching Panther football seen you lose at a game where i was.

Goodluck!!!

[Red Raiders]

Shame on Longview!!! They should win this year but they didn't but at least we won last year! lol.... its still not old... You can say shame on us too this year. I just wonder if Longview going to good next year since they will be out with Chris Irvory and Vondrell McGee, maybe it will even be worst. Yall should take chances with this year because yall will be without them but now you can't. Hmm, bad bad...

[myround0]

Goodness give it a rest! You are just preaching to the choir! I agree some call against the Lobos were uncalled for but so were some against South Garland! A lot of call that should have been called weren't on both sides. Longview's season is over. Can't you just accept it for what it is? Here's a quote from another SG fan on another site:
"So I guess the refs are responsible for not making a touchdown when the Lobos have a 1st and 5? after the fake punt? I guess the refs are responsible for the Lobos not making a 1st down on 4th and 1 in the third quarter. I guess the refs are responsible for the Lobos not picking up a 1st down on 3rd and 1 on the SG 5 at the end of the game. I guess it was the refs who limited McGee to 40 rushing yards in the second half when the Lobos had only one penalty, unsportmanship after the missed field goals.

I guess the Lobos did not benefit from a SG penalty moving the ball from the 11 to the 16 of Longview on SG's first TD. I guess the Lobos did not benefit from a holding call against SG on SG's final TD drive which ultimately turned a 2nd and 1 to a 3rd and 11. I guess the referees converted that third down pass.

I guess the referees hurt Longview on a third and long in the 3rd quarter when the big tight end caught a pass and SG was called for roughing the passer who was out of the pocket.

The only reason SG won was because of the referees? SG is just a lousy football team that can not do anything right? PLEASE!!!!!"

Correct everY Mcgee good run was called back so the refs limited the Mcgee and the Lobos. I am tired of the homecooking advantage Dallas area schools enjoy, not just longview, but JT was jobbed as well, they score 20 points in the first half at will and inthe second half they get nothing. Like I said, the Refs decided those games, and it is amazing how Dallas area teams win in Dallas, yet we have other Dallas area schools in our district and they just crush other Dallas schools in the non-district meeting...Look stand up for your own, I would expect you to do nothing less, but you play South Garland and Longview anywhere else in the state and it is a blow out, Longview scores fifty before the half...what matters is you showing your bias...had it been a close game like Longview and Rockwall, where Longview socres at least 30+ points and we lose, i can except that because one thing Longview does well is score. But, when Longview scores barely 13 points, ten points in the first half and three in the second, you know that stinks, even after we get like two picks numerous sacks a fumble recovery and i don't think we turned the ball over once and piled up 418 yards of offense and we lose 14-13 come on, at least if we lose it has to be 31-30. HOMECOOKING, AND I WILL NEVER LET THE INJUSTICE REST, YOU WILL HEADR ABOUT IT TO THE START OF NEXT SEASON, IWANT THE WHOLE BOARD TO KNOW WHAT CHEATS WE HAVE OFFICIATING OUR HIGH SCHOOL GAMES, AND YOU JUST WISH IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY...IT WILL NEVER REST FOR AS LONG AS I BREATHE

[Roughrider]

Correct everY Mcgee good run was called back so the refs limited the Mcgee and the Lobos. I am tired of the homecooking advantage Dallas area schools enjoy, not just longview, but JT was jobbed as well, they score 20 points in the first half at will and inthe second half they get nothing. Like I said, the Refs decided those games, and it is amazing how Dallas area teams win in Dallas, yet we have other Dallas area schools in our district and they just crush other Dallas schools in the non-district meeting...Look stand up for your own, I would expect you to do nothing less, but you play South Garland and Longview anywhere else in the state and it is a blow out, Longview scores fifty before the half...what matters is you showing your bias...had it been a close game like Longview and Rockwall, where Longview socres at least 30+ points and we lose, i can except that because one thing Longview does well is score. But, when Longview scores barely 13 points, ten points in the first half and three in the second, you know that stinks, even after we get like two picks numerous sacks a fumble recovery and i don't think we turned the ball over once and piled up 418 yards of offense and we lose 14-13 come on, at least if we lose it has to be 31-30. HOMECOOKING, AND I WILL NEVER LET THE INJUSTICE REST, YOU WILL HEADR ABOUT IT TO THE START OF NEXT SEASON, IWANT THE WHOLE BOARD TO KNOW WHAT CHEATS WE HAVE OFFICIATING OUR HIGH SCHOOL GAMES, AND YOU JUST WISH IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY...IT WILL NEVER REST FOR AS LONG AS I BREATHE


Let me get you some cheese to go with that WHINE!!
After you watched the 2003 game you should have learned a simple lesson... SG is gonna show up with DEFENSE!! By the way, how many points did LV score in 2003?? In case you've blocked that out, let me remind you SEVEN!! That's right, in fact you could say that you almost doubled your offense from two years ago!! Improvement! If you boys ever recover maybe you'll get another rematch next year. Until then, don't go away mad, just go away :D

[owlfan 1]

Myround...

you are the funniest person ever...

"if we lose it HAS to be 31-30..."

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *<snorts milk out his nose>*

:D

[Roughrider]

Let me get you some cheese to go with that WHINE!!
After you watched the 2003 game you should have learned a simple lesson... SG is gonna show up with DEFENSE!! By the way, how many points did LV score in 2003?? In case you've blocked that out, let me remind you SEVEN!! That's right, in fact you could say that you almost doubled your offense from two years ago!! Improvement! If you boys ever recover maybe you'll get another rematch next year. Until then, don't go away mad, just go away :D


Also let me clear this up for you.... There was only ONE sack, 3 total turnovers.... And, in case you haven't noticed, driving the ball between the 20's don't mean squat... Got to turn it into points, in the end it is bend but don't break..

[Redneckn]

it is a joke how refs can determine the outcome of a game and people turn a blind eye to it...just a joke, it still reminds me of the Louisiana, so it is not just refs from other states that don't like we men from east texas, our own kind don't like us...


Maybe it's just that when you get out of your own little area and get some zebras from elsewhere that they will actually call LV for the penalties committed...

Why is it so hard to accept that you just got beat? As long as there is football, there will be questionable calls. But to just outright blame the loss on the zebras is b.s. and everybody (except Longview) knows it.

The funny thing is that I was actually starting to think that maybe y'all have not had a fair shake in La. Now, I feel like it is an easy cop out when y'all get beat.. Or don't score 60+ on other teams.. Now that I see where a Tx zebra crew from somewhere other than East Texas called these infractions, I have to think that Lv has been doing these things...

[LPFAN]

Correct everY Mcgee good run was called back so the refs limited the Mcgee and the Lobos. I am tired of the homecooking advantage Dallas area schools enjoy, not just longview, but JT was jobbed as well, they score 20 points in the first half at will and inthe second half they get nothing. Like I said, the Refs decided those games, and it is amazing how Dallas area teams win in Dallas, yet we have other Dallas area schools in our district and they just crush other Dallas schools in the non-district meeting...Look stand up for your own, I would expect you to do nothing less, but you play South Garland and Longview anywhere else in the state and it is a blow out, Longview scores fifty before the half...what matters is you showing your bias...had it been a close game like Longview and Rockwall, where Longview socres at least 30+ points and we lose, i can except that because one thing Longview does well is score. But, when Longview scores barely 13 points, ten points in the first half and three in the second, you know that stinks, even after we get like two picks numerous sacks a fumble recovery and i don't think we turned the ball over once and piled up 418 yards of offense and we lose 14-13 come on, at least if we lose it has to be 31-30. HOMECOOKING, AND I WILL NEVER LET THE INJUSTICE REST, YOU WILL HEADR ABOUT IT TO THE START OF NEXT SEASON, IWANT THE WHOLE BOARD TO KNOW WHAT CHEATS WE HAVE OFFICIATING OUR HIGH SCHOOL GAMES, AND YOU JUST WISH IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY...IT WILL NEVER REST FOR AS LONG AS I BREATHE
You are just making yourself look bad. Very bad! Your crying in here will not make you feel better are change the outcome. This is Life and Life is not fair.

[JoeC]

So telling a ref that you want a time out right before the kicker kicks the ball and then getting it is bad officiating?? How about the "no" call pass interfernce call in the second half where huge 88 threw down the defender and caught a 30 plus yard completion and on the same play a late hit was thrown on SG which gave an additional 15 and put you boys into scoring position?? Bad officiating? Did you want them to put it in the endzone for you?? About phantom calls, if you are not on the field how can you determine what is said or who is kicked or who throws a punch?? From what I heard one of the phantom calls was from that big ole' 71 who actually had a few choice words for the official... But I'm sure at home you guys get all that mess worked out while you are feeding the officials before the game?? Give it a break, a pass interference or holding call here or there is one thing, but personal fouls are usually hard to argue.. I'm sure SG probably had the officials in their pocket, not sure how since they were from a chapter in SA (as posted by someone earlier).. I'm sure they had them in their pocket when they beat ya'll in 2003 also?? Go ahead, get it all out. They say crying makes you feel better ;)

We live in times when if you complain of inequities, no matter whether you're justified, the persecuted becomes even more persecuted . . . Cute, I just said that no one complained about the officiating in 2003 yet you still felt compelled to say it . . . Then you stoop even lower and imply that we feed the officials at home. . . Clearly we can do wrong; on the other hand you look for their justification - preferring to look the other way. More than anything, I am not complaining about our faults (there is no such thing as a team of perfection - we all (LV fans) called the clearly illegal block on D-Rob), I am complaining about the one-eyed giant of justice. You know him, the one that see all the faults of one but somehow manages to not see the imperfections of others. . . While you want to see our faults, are you telling me that SG had none? That's what the referees chose to do - in my opinion!! Did you not see huge 88 (as you describe him) get mugged on the pass play at the goal line just before the half? Did you not see Chris Ivory get tackled by his face mask in that same quarter? Did you not see T. J. Norris jump off sides with no contact and get back before the ball was snapped - while the play went into a deep fog with everybody standing around looking lost, even the officials. Didn't the 25 second play clock run out on SG (delay of game) before the officials made up their feebled minds to call LV off sides (second quarter). Did you not see series of several holdings (or should I say tackling) on SG right before your very eyes? Honestly now, was that interference on LV's LB (30) in the middle of the field? Was that a late hit on the side line when the LV player clearly let the SG player go (didn't continue to hit him or sling him down)? Are you saying that all of the officials whistles mysteriously stopped working on that FG attempt - why did the play go all the way through completion without any of the players (from either team) stopping? If I am not mistaken, don't one of the players on the field have to call for the TO. Do you honestly not find it suspicious that one team have over 100 yrds in penalties (before the half) while the other team played a near perfect game? No, you didn't see any of these things that I just mentioned nor did any of this justify suspicion because you and the one-eyed giant have something in common. You both have one eye!! :mad: :cool:

[LPFAN]

Also let me clear this up for you.... There was only ONE sack, 3 total turnovers.... And, in case you haven't noticed, driving the ball between the 20's don't mean squat... Got to turn it into points, in the end it is bend but don't break..
We have been trying to tell them that about the game last year. All we heard was that last year Vondrell ran all over us and we could not stop him. They still didn't get the fact that we managed to keep him out of the endzone enough times for our team to win. It never ends with some of the clueless Lobo fans. Bleedgreen and Kingwolf are some true knowledgable fans and they are not blind to reality. Some of the others are joke. I know there are a lot of great Lobo fans out there but the ones crying on here are getting to be pathetic. First there was the FUMBLES last year and now it is the REFS this year. Next year what is it going to be? The opponents drill team? :rolleyes:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Correct everY Mcgee good run was called back so the refs limited the Mcgee and the Lobos. I am tired of the homecooking advantage Dallas area schools enjoy, not just longview, but JT was jobbed as well, they score 20 points in the first half at will and inthe second half they get nothing. Like I said, the Refs decided those games, and it is amazing how Dallas area teams win in Dallas, yet we have other Dallas area schools in our district and they just crush other Dallas schools in the non-district meeting...Look stand up for your own, I would expect you to do nothing less, but you play South Garland and Longview anywhere else in the state and it is a blow out, Longview scores fifty before the half...what matters is you showing your bias...had it been a close game like Longview and Rockwall, where Longview socres at least 30+ points and we lose, i can except that because one thing Longview does well is score. But, when Longview scores barely 13 points, ten points in the first half and three in the second, you know that stinks, even after we get like two picks numerous sacks a fumble recovery and i don't think we turned the ball over once and piled up 418 yards of offense and we lose 14-13 come on, at least if we lose it has to be 31-30. HOMECOOKING, AND I WILL NEVER LET THE INJUSTICE REST, YOU WILL HEADR ABOUT IT TO THE START OF NEXT SEASON, IWANT THE WHOLE BOARD TO KNOW WHAT CHEATS WE HAVE OFFICIATING OUR HIGH SCHOOL GAMES, AND YOU JUST WISH IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY...IT WILL NEVER REST FOR AS LONG AS I BREATHE

Are you serious?! That's funny, dude!! I actually thought LV fans were decent, until now!!

As I said before, if you guys (LV) would not have missed the field goal at the end of the game (you know, the field goal that the refs secretly jumped infront of and deflected ;) )...we wouldn't even be hearing this!

So, Longview and John Tyler.....goodnight guys! Played your hearts out, it just wasn't enough!! Congrats on a great season!!!

THE BETTER TEAMS WON!!!!

Go Garland, South Garland and (Garland) Rowlett!!!!!!!!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

We live in times when if you complain of inequities, no matter whether you're justified, the persecuted becomes even more persecuted . . . Cute, I just said that no one complained about the officiating in 2003 yet you still felt compelled to say it . . . Then you stoop even lower and imply that we feed the officials at home. . . Clearly we can do wrong; on the other hand you look for their justification - preferring to look the other way. More than anything, I am not complaining about our faults (there is no such thing as a team of perfection - we all (LV fans) called the clearly illegal block on D-Rob), I am complaining about the one-eyed giant of justice. You know him, the one that see all the faults of one but somehow manages to not see the imperfections of others. . . While you want to see our faults, are you telling me that SG had none? That's what the referees chose to do - in my opinion!! Did you not see huge 88 (as you describe him) get mugged on the pass play at the goal line just before the half? Did you not see Chris Ivory get tackled by his face mask in that same quarter? Did you not see T. J. Norris jump off sides with no contact and get back before the ball was snapped - while the play went into a deep fog with everybody standing around looking lost, even the officials. Didn't the 25 second play clock run out on SG (delay of game) before the officials made up their feebled minds to call LV off sides (second quarter). Did you not see series of several holdings (or should I say tackling) on SG right before your very eyes? Honestly now, was that interference on LV's LB (30) in the middle of the field? Was that a late hit on the side line when the LV player clearly let the SG player go (didn't continue to hit him or sling him down)? Are you saying that all of the officials whistles mysteriously stopped working on that FG attempt - why did the play go all the way through completion without any of the players (from either team) stopping? If I am not mistaken, don't one of the players on the field have to call for the TO. Do you honestly not find it suspicious that one team have over 100 yrds in penalties (before the half) while the other team played a near perfect game? No, you didn't see any of these things that I just mentioned nor did any of this justify suspicion because you and the one-eyed giant have something in common. You both have one eye!! :mad: :cool:

And out comes the insults!! Keep going JoeC....your true colors are shining bright!!!! ;)

THE BETTER TEAMS WON!!!!

"And they didn't any stinking badgeeez to do it!"...Heh, Heh, Heh!!! ;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

The opponents drill team? :rolleyes:

Ya, next year South Garland or Lufkin will suit up an "ineligible" cheerleader, and she'll break LV down, left and right!!!

LOL!!!!! :D

[JoeC]

We have been trying to tell them that about the game last year. All we heard was that last year Vondrell ran all over us and we could not stop him. They still didn't get the fact that we managed to keep him out of the endzone enough times for our team to win. It never ends with some of the clueless Lobo fans. Bleedgreen and Kingwolf are some true knowledgable fans and they are not blind to reality. Some of the others are joke. I know there are a lot of great Lobo fans out there but the ones crying on here are getting to be pathetic. First there was the FUMBLES last year and now it is the REFS this year. Next year what is it going to be? The opponents drill team? :rolleyes:

Knowledgable? ;) I have played and officiated this game called football; and I remain steadfast, the officiating was horrendous!! :cool:

[LPFAN]

Knowledgable? ;) I have played and officiated this game called football; and I remain steadfast, the officiating was horrendous!! :cool:
WAAAAAHHHHH :rolleyes:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Knowledgable? ;) I have played and officiated this game called football; and I remain steadfast, the officiating was horrendous!! :cool:

Oh great, a fanatical ex-ref!!!! Perhaps you should just stay away from LV games, heh?!!

I've played this game called football on all the levels....and I've seen - who knows how many games!....And I never stand there pointing fingers!

Fact is, if you're better than the other team....you beat them....or go home, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!

If Longview was "clearly" better, they would've won!!!

[Roughrider]

We live in times when if you complain of inequities, no matter whether you're justified, the persecuted becomes even more persecuted . . . Cute, I just said that no one complained about the officiating in 2003 yet you still felt compelled to say it . . . Then you stoop even lower and imply that we feed the officials at home. . . Clearly we can do wrong; on the other hand you look for their justification - preferring to look the other way. More than anything, I am not complaining about our faults (there is no such thing as a team of perfection - we all (LV fans) called the clearly illegal block on D-Rob), I am complaining about the one-eyed giant of justice. You know him, the one that see all the faults of one but somehow manages to not see the imperfections of others. . . While you want to see our faults, are you telling me that SG had none? That's what the referees chose to do - in my opinion!! Did you not see huge 88 (as you describe him) get mugged on the pass play at the goal line just before the half? Did you not see Chris Ivory get tackled by his face mask in that same quarter? Did you not see T. J. Norris jump off sides with no contact and get back before the ball was snapped - while the play went into a deep fog with everybody standing around looking lost, even the officials. Didn't the 25 second play clock run out on SG (delay of game) before the officials made up their feebled minds to call LV off sides (second quarter). Did you not see series of several holdings (or should I say tackling) on SG right before your very eyes? Honestly now, was that interference on LV's LB (30) in the middle of the field? Was that a late hit on the side line when the LV player clearly let the SG player go (didn't continue to hit him or sling him down)? Are you saying that all of the officials whistles mysteriously stopped working on that FG attempt - why did the play go all the way through completion without any of the players (from either team) stopping? If I am not mistaken, don't one of the players on the field have to call for the TO. Do you honestly not find it suspicious that one team have over 100 yrds in penalties (before the half) while the other team played a near perfect game? No, you didn't see any of these things that I just mentioned nor did any of this justify suspicion because you and the one-eyed giant have something in common. You both have one eye!! :mad: :cool:

To start off, you are mistaken!! This year and I believe the rule actually started last year, the HEAD COACH can call a timeout from the sideline as was the case Saturday.. As for the offsides and no contact, I beg to differ, the DT was actually to the visitor side of the stadium and he did make contact with the offensive lineman.. And please, you are calling holding, I witnessed mugging on the DE's everytime you boys lined up and ran outside.. I even witnessed several illegal cut blocks by your TE when he motioned across the formation, you can't get outside of the box and come back in to cut block. Hey, that wasn't called, not once... As for the interference on your TE, I saw the same play and noticed only that your QB poorly threw the ball... I did see the offensive pass interference that wasn't called on your TE that put you boys in scoring position... By the way, you make a valid point. Seems like your Coach got the boys lined out on the mental mistakes (penalties) at half time.. You only had what, 15 yards in the second half??? While SG had 40?? You could've won easily in that second half... But you didn't!! Bitter pill, swallow it and move on!

[ruthless]

I guess I'll state this for the last time - the coaches under-used Vondrell for 2 years. If you're a running team - RUN your best player! Did McGee every carry 28 times in one game? What in goodness name was a sophomore doing getting the rock in a game like this! Poor playcalling will get you killed in a big game. I saw my share of questionable playcalls yesterday too. You notice no one ever questions SLC's playcalling?

I say the same thing about this I agree with Favpack and Lonnie, what got LV to be good was their talent, what got them to not be great was their coaching, I can say they did't use Malcom Kelly much last year either, someone said Mcgee should have carried the ball "bazillion times yesterday" the Coach has to go two years of good talent for nothing, rememer 14-0 at halftime against LP. Outlaw outcoached King. Sad!!! for these kids sad the LV community.

[ROD LEE]

Correct everY Mcgee good run was called back so the refs limited the Mcgee and the Lobos. I am tired of the homecooking advantage Dallas area schools enjoy, not just longview, but JT was jobbed as well, they score 20 points in the first half at will and inthe second half they get nothing. Like I said, the Refs decided those games, and it is amazing how Dallas area teams win in Dallas, yet we have other Dallas area schools in our district and they just crush other Dallas schools in the non-district meeting...Look stand up for your own, I would expect you to do nothing less, but you play South Garland and Longview anywhere else in the state and it is a blow out, Longview scores fifty before the half...what matters is you showing your bias...had it been a close game like Longview and Rockwall, where Longview socres at least 30+ points and we lose, i can except that because one thing Longview does well is score. But, when Longview scores barely 13 points, ten points in the first half and three in the second, you know that stinks, even after we get like two picks numerous sacks a fumble recovery and i don't think we turned the ball over once and piled up 418 yards of offense and we lose 14-13 come on, at least if we lose it has to be 31-30. HOMECOOKING, AND I WILL NEVER LET THE INJUSTICE REST, YOU WILL HEADR ABOUT IT TO THE START OF NEXT SEASON, IWANT THE WHOLE BOARD TO KNOW WHAT CHEATS WE HAVE OFFICIATING OUR HIGH SCHOOL GAMES, AND YOU JUST WISH IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY...IT WILL NEVER REST FOR AS LONG AS I BREATHE
Nope, JT played one half of offense and defense and the other half was ALL defense. 21 points surrendered by the defense to very physical offense like Garland's in 4 quarters is more than enough to win a game when you've put 20 on the board offensively in 2 quarters. The final should have been 40 to 21 at the least but JT's point production units ceased to produce after the half, the refs were not a factor.

[trooper82d]

You should say "scouts be aware of the talent in Killeen and Copperas Cove" not "scouts beware." The more you type the more foolish you look. Why are you all of the sudden on a Lufkin trip? Just like a typical trash talking cherry. You even got called out by one of your own Cove brothers who obviously has more common football sense then you. When you really look at the big picture in 5A football, having the toughest district or the weakest district does not mean squat. In the end all that matters is holding up a state title trophy. There have been teams from strong districts and weak districts that have managed to do that. Your nonsense will have no bearing on the final outcome of the season and on who raises up that trophy. I have never been one to hype my team up, talk trash about other teams or make any excuses for our team on this forum. But the way you obsess yourself with Lufkin I am beginning to to wonder if you have a secret Love Fantasy about our team. Cove is good and Lufkin is good. Your stupid comments will not change that. Every team is beatable but not every team gets beat. Learn a little about the game before you type your foolishness. :rolleyes:Okay guy I spelled be aware wrong. About how foolish I look let's not forget why we are here. Yes, I talking much trash but the Dawgs will back it up. Let's face is Lufkin is not a 3rd rank team. Don't beleive the hype. Trust me I'm not in love with Lufkin. I'm a Dawg fan to the end. I will continue to talk trash until someone beats the Dawgs. It won't be Lufkin. Lufkin is good but not as good as Cove. The only team that may give us some problems will be SLC. Lufkin is a JOKE!!!

[LPFAN]

Okay guy I spelled be aware wrong. About how foolish I look let's not forget why we are here. Yes, I talking much trash but the Dawgs will back it up. Let's face is Lufkin is not a 3rd rank team. Don't beleive the hype. Trust me I'm not in love with Lufkin. I'm a Dawg fan to the end. I will continue to talk trash until someone beats the Dawgs. It won't be Lufkin. Lufkin is good but not as good as Cove. The only team that may give us some problems will be SLC. Lufkin is a JOKE!!!
I don't care about rankings because they do not mean squat. Never have and never will. YOU ARE A COMPLETE JOKE. I would have never wanted to serve in the ARMY with someone like you. Thank God I didn't. HAVE A GOOD LIFE!!

[PantherStang84]

The only team that may give us some problems will be SLC.

Ya I remember saying that back in '03. Well we know what happened then. The wheels came off and Garland snuck up on Lufkin and knocked them out. As far as I know Hays is the only team Lufkin is scheduled to play right now. So Cove homer, you take care of your business and Lufkin will take care of theirs. The matchups will take care of themselves. You will get the last word here, because I will waist no more time on you!

[JoeC]

Ok, I have to admit that LV Coaching staff did make some critical mistakes all year. Vondrell should have consistently had the ball 25 plus times a game. Additionally, if a team had stacked nine in the box on me I'd pass all day (especially with our personnel) until they made an adjustment. And we should never have put MJ (sophomore) [in place of Chris] in the game on third and two. And if we were not going to go for the first down - we should have made sure that we set up in the middle of the field especially with the wind conditions as it was!! But clearly this does not change the officiating in this game; again, it was down right horrendous!!! I just think the poor first half officiating (demotivator) took LV out of their game. . . And finally, I think you're mistaken - I believe the TO rule change was for the NFL and not HS.

[GarlandOwl06]

Ahh, nothing like a bunch of Longview fans crying about the refs! Hey Lobo fans come out and support the Owls in round 2!!!

[BigArab]

While I agree with the horrible officiating, I can see why you think we were crying. But it was not only the unneccesary flags, but taking forever to sort it out, erasing any kind of momentum. Letroy jumps offsides.....okay....it's obvious. Mark the damn ball and lets get going. No, instead lets take 12 minutes to discuss this and make sure everyone saw it. Gimme a break. Longview breaks a big play. Lets strand around and make sure every official is on the same page here before we start the next one, making all of the offense stand around until they're ready (8 minutes later, the whistle is blown to start). It was silly.

[BigArab]

Ahh, nothing like a bunch of Longview fans crying about the refs! Hey Lobo fans come out and support the Owls in round 2!!!

Ahh, nothing like a bunch of Garland fans living through SG's glory in beating us.

[GarlandOwl06]

While I agree with the horrible officiating, I can see why you think we were crying. But it was not only the unneccesary flags, but taking forever to sort it out, erasing any kind of momentum. Letroy jumps offsides.....okay....it's obvious. Mark the damn ball and lets get going. No, instead lets take 12 minutes to discuss this and make sure everyone saw it. Gimme a break. Longview breaks a big play. Lets strand around and make sure every official is on the same page here before we start the next one, making all of the offense stand around until they're ready (8 minutes later, the whistle is blown to start). It was silly.
So was it the refs fault or the momentum's fault that you missed a field goal from the 15 yard line??

[BigArab]

So was it the refs fault or the momentum's fault that you missed a field goal from the 15 yard line??

Refs fault botching the coin toss at the beginning of the game where we chose to have the 30 mph wind at our backs in the 2nd and 4th quarter, but somehow SG threw a fit and got it reversed (anyone know what happened there?)

[GarlandOwl06]

:) Ahh, nothing like a bunch of Garland fans living through SG's glory in beating us.
Well we already celebrated beating South Garland this year ( something you cant say from 2 attempts in the past 3 years) and currently we are preparing ourselves for the second round of the playoffs. What are your plans this week BigArab?? Come out to Texas Stadium Friday and watch the Owls AND the Colonels! Forget East Texas we play real football in the metroplex! :)

[BigArab]

:)
Well we already celebrated beating South Garland this year ( something you cant say from 2 attempts in the past 3 years) and currently we are preparing ourselves for the second round of the playoffs. What are your plans this week BigArab?? Come out to Texas Stadium Friday and watch the Owls AND the Colonels! Forget East Texas we play real football in the metroplex! :)

Ha.

[GarlandOwl06]

Refs fault botching the coin toss at the beginning of the game where we chose to have the 30 mph wind at our backs in the 2nd and 4th quarter, but somehow SG threw a fit and got it reversed (anyone know what happened there?)
LOL I've never actually seen someone complain that the ref didn't toss the coin good enough! This has been taken to a new level people!!!

[pack0808]

This is not surprising at all!! Longview is the absolute KING of excuses besides wolf and bleed. I have heard it for 9 games in a row and this is not a shock one bit. I was more then expecting it. I was wondering what conspiracy theory was coming this time?? I am serious!! it is abolutely amazing the nerve some of their fans have?? But the cove fan calling Lufkin overrated considering Cove does not even know what the state semis smell like is beyond funny. LOL Make it past the 2nd or 3rd round before your talk a little smack i beg you. OMG Lufkin only won in ot they suck!! Lufkin has beaten more top 10 teams in the last 5 years then Cove has in a lifetime. Learn about the game before you talk complete bs. Most cove fans are very respectful so i am guessing that you are a 15 or possibly a 16 year old with no clue about hs football?

[BigArab]

LOL I've never actually seen someone complain that the ref didn't toss the coin good enough! This has been taken to a new level people!!!

I guess I have to explain it to you since you choose to jump to conclusions.

SG won the toss, they deferred and chose to kickoff. Longview chose to go into the wind first so they could have the very stiff wind at their backs in the 2nd and 4th quarter. Soon afterward, the SG coach was upset that (i guess?) the players deferred and somehow along the way, it got switched around, making us kick into to end the second half (hitting it then missing it on a rekick) then missing it in the 4th.

Anyone want to explain to me what happened. That really confused me. Did these guys graduate from the "Let's Pretend" school of reffing.

[BigArab]

This is not surprising at all!! Longview is the absolute KING of excuses besides wolf and bleed. I have heard it for 9 games in a row and this is not a shock one bit. I was more then expecting it. I was wondering what conspiracy theory was coming this time?? I am serious!! it is abolutely amazing the nerve some of their fans have?? But the cove fan calling Lufkin overrated considering Cove does not even know what the state semis smell like is beyond funny. LOL Make it past the 2nd or 3rd round before your talk a little smack i beg you. OMG Lufkin only won in ot they suck!! Lufkin has beaten more top 10 teams in the last 5 years then Cove has in a lifetime. Learn about the game before you talk complete bs. Most cove fans are very respectful so i am guessing that you are a 15 or possibly a 16 year old with no clue about hs football?

We'll see what your excuse is in a couple of weeks pack.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

OMFG! I've been seeing threads all over the net tonite about LV losing. get over it! its just like 2003. you'll re-load next year quit crying. memorial lost to WB i whined about 3 hours. You will be ok aight.

[BigArab]

I apologize, but when the validity of the talent of my team and the ability of the 2nd year head coach is called into question and dragged through the mud, I will be defensive.

[GarlandOwl06]

We'll see what your excuse is in a couple of weeks pack.
At least the Pack will be playing in a couple weeks just like they are every year. You're just lucky Longview got beat already so you wouldnt have to take a beating from Lufkin in round 3.

[pack0808]

We'll see what your excuse is in a couple of weeks pack.


You know what my excuse will be if Lufkin loses?? They got beat by the better team!! Just like i have always said if Lufkin lost!! I am not into the sci-fi bs like yourself. Like i said, I have heard it over and over and this in not surprising at all!!

[BigArab]

You know what my excuse will be if Lufkin loses?? They got beat by the better team!! Just like i have always said if Lufkin lost!! I am not into the sci-fi bs like yourself. Like i said, I have heard it over and over and this in not surprising at all!!

I really don't think it was some grand conspiracy like some of these people. I don't think the officials intentionally called it bad, I just think it was a bad crew and I think the video should be reviewed. That is all. Even if we had won, I still would've wanted it reviewed.

[panthermaniac]

Well, I didn't see the game, so I don't know what happened, but it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that bad officiating could sway the outcome of a game. I'm sorry to see LV gone so soon.

[BigArab]

Well, I didn't see the game, so I don't know what happened, but it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that bad officiating could sway the outcome of a game. I'm sorry to see LV gone so soon.

Me too. Good luck to you Panthers. Hopefully we can be grouped together again in district (though I doubt it). It's just not the same without you guys.

[pack0808]

I really don't think it was some grand conspiracy like some of these people. I don't think the officials intentionally called it bad, I just think it was a bad crew and I think the video should be reviewed. That is all. Even if we had won, I still would've wanted it reviewed.


Not the point!! I have heard it from Longview fan's like yourself so many times before that even if it was true i would not believe you. It was the turnovers, the wind, the weather, the turf, the officials, the players were drunk or hungover ( 1997 vs Katy), or it was the cheerleader that showed her g-string to our top linebacker that made him miss the tackle!! LOL and on and on and on and on!! The fact is this, Longview should dominate SG like most would think and if it came down to a few calls maybe all of us were wrong. If Lufkin loses next week i promise you will not hear me making pathetic excuses. I will blame the team not other bs so called factors. :rolleyes:

[dragonfootballfan]

I guess I have to explain it to you since you choose to jump to conclusions.

SG won the toss, they deferred and chose to kickoff. Longview chose to go into the wind first so they could have the very stiff wind at their backs in the 2nd and 4th quarter. Soon afterward, the SG coach was upset that (i guess?) the players deferred and somehow along the way, it got switched around, making us kick into to end the second half (hitting it then missing it on a rekick) then missing it in the 4th.

Anyone want to explain to me what happened. That really confused me. Did these guys graduate from the "Let's Pretend" school of reffing.
when you defer you allow the other team choose how first in the first half. Longview would probably take the ball since if they did not then they would kickoff to start the game and to start the second half. South Garland would then be able to choose the wind. In the second half though Longview would choose second and probably get to choose the wind. I do not know what actually happened, but from what I have read from you in the previous post, this is what I have come up with

[Redneckn]

If Lufkin loses next week, I'm gonna blame it on the Longview team and the zebras for fighting in the endzones..While wearing g-strings.. *ICK*

[BigArab]

when you defer you allow the other team choose how first in the first half. Longview would probably take the ball since if they did not then they would kickoff to start the game and to start the second half. South Garland would then be able to choose the wind. In the second half though Longview would choose second and probably get to choose the wind. I do not know what actually happened, but from what I have read from you in the previous post, this is what I have come up with

Then I guess SG players chose the wrong end to start with and their coach was upset so they let them switch it back. Hmmm...

There was lots of stuff in that game that left me wondering Hmmm...

[GarlandOwl06]

I'm completely confused San Diego.

[BigArab]

I'm completely confused San Diego.

Me too. Of course like everything else, they took 15 minutes to discuss it.

[pack0808]

If Lufkin loses next week, I'm gonna blame it on the Longview team and the zebras for fighting in the endzones..While wearing g-strings.. *ICK*


LMAO redneck!! Go look up the standings in region 4 in 5atexasfootball.com because our boys united south have stepped it up. Last year they were only outscored in their 0-10 season by an average of 3 points to 55 but this year they only lost by an average of 5.3 to 47!! :eek: Our team is improving redneck and it is only a matter of time before they go 0-10 losing only by an average of 28 points. LOL

[BigArab]

It would be really funny if they went undefeated next season. That would be....impossible...but still funny.

[Redneckn]

Pack.. I can't wait.. But then, I may have to pick another town to represent and all.. I was gonna be Temples boy.. But they had avg. of 9pts per game..
they dont need my help...

[Redneckn]

It would be really funny if they went undefeated next season. That would be....impossible...but still funny.


BA, you'll notice Smackover in my signature.. They were 1-7 1-8, something crappy like that last year..
Currently they are 11-0. going to the second round of playoffs..

[BigArab]

BA, you'll notice Smackover in my signature.. They were 1-7 1-8, something crappy like that last year..
Currently they are 11-0. going to the second round of playoffs..

Plano is another good example. They weren't as bad as Laredo, but they weren't good.

[Redneckn]

The bonus for Laredo is that, being that close to Mexico, they're bound to have at least 1 kid that is here..uh..and not a citizen (for you pc types).. and if they went 10-0 and made playoffs, somebody would bring that up..

[pack0808]

The bonus for Laredo is that, being that close to Mexico, they're bound to have at least 1 kid that is here..uh..and not a citizen (for you pc types).. and if they went 10-0 and made playoffs, somebody would bring that up..


You are right!! If LaredoUnited South got a great fg kicker and went 1-9 i would want a big time investigation. ;) I would want to get to the bottom of it real quick.

[panthermaniac]

At least the Pack will be playing in a couple weeks just like they are every year. You're just lucky Longview got beat already so you wouldnt have to take a beating from Lufkin in round 3.
I have to take issue with this statement. First off, we re D.... lucky to be playing next week. We came very close to being gone. Hopefully, we will bring a better game next week. And as far as LV "taking a beating from Lufkin in the 3rd round," well, of course I think we would have beaten them, but the thing that makes LP/LV games fun is that we both know the other team is perfectly capable of beating us. We have a long history, and I guess I feel like they are family. We can taunt them about being their daddy, but the rest of you people need to shut up. A great team went down too early.

[pack0808]

I have to take issue with this statement. First off, we re D.... lucky to be playing next week. We came very close to being gone. Hopefully, we will bring a better game next week. And as far as LV "taking a beating from Lufkin in the 3rd round," well, of course I think we would have beaten them, but the thing that makes LP/LV games fun is that we both know the other team is perfectly capable of beating us. We have a long history, and I guess I feel like they are family. We can taunt them about being their daddy, but the rest of you people need to shut up. A great team went down too early.


That is not the point panther/lobomaniac!! When i first heard they lost i was upset( I cheer for all east tx) but when i got back to this board and heard the crazy excuses i wanted to puke. We have heard them over and over as Lufkin fans you should know!! Yes, most know that Longview was 2 or 3 times the team talent wise SG was but that is not the point. The fact is they got beat!! Period!! Spare us with the conspiracy theories is all i am saying.

[LoneRocket]

The bonus for Laredo is that, being that close to Mexico, they're bound to have at least 1 kid that is here..uh..and not a citizen (for you pc types).. and if they went 10-0 and made playoffs, somebody would bring that up..
They can bring it up, but it won't go anywhere, as long as they can prove he was in school and playing ball before the deadline date.

[LongviewLobo209]

Consipiracy? NO WAY! That is taking it a bit too far. However, it is possible that it was one of the worst called games in a loong time. Then again, we still had the chance at the end to win the game, but didn't. I do believe this Longview team was great, but then again GREAT teams pull it out in the end no matter what obstacles they face dont they? The point is, not matter how bad the officiating was, we still had a chance to win and didn't come through.

As a Longview fan, of course I am nauseated from this loss and it crosses my mind quite often, but conspiracy? I wouldn't go that far....

[lonny23]

You are right!! If LaredoUnited South got a great fg kicker and went 1-9 i would want a big time investigation. ;) I would want to get to the bottom of it real quick.
I'm sure there will be an investigation if they DO go 1-9! :p

[lonny23]

LMAO redneck!! Go look up the standings in region 4 in 5atexasfootball.com because our boys united south have stepped it up. Last year they were only outscored in their 0-10 season by an average of 3 points to 55 but this year they only lost by an average of 5.3 to 47!! :eek: Our team is improving redneck and it is only a matter of time before they go 0-10 losing only by an average of 28 points. LOL
United South wasn't even the worst team this year. Houston Sam Houston was THE WORST! :D

[Redneckn]

Lonny, if I were to support Houston SamHouston, that would be me recognizing that Houston exists.. I am constantly telling myself that there is no Houston.. People are just telling me that to mess with my head or something..

I just keep my head in the sand and tell myself it's not really there...

Actually, I didnt know about samhouston.. I may have to change my team.. (again)

[c-lisle]

I guess I'll state this for the last time - the coaches under-used Vondrell for 2 years. If you're a running team - RUN your best player! Did McGee every carry 28 times in one game? What in goodness name was a sophomore doing getting the rock in a game like this! Poor playcalling will get you killed in a big game. I saw my share of questionable playcalls yesterday too. You notice no one ever questions SLC's playcalling?

I don't like criticising the coaches but I was wandering the exact same thing. I guess Ivory was hurt. And besides that SG has a huge Dline...I just don't understand the play call. How about running a play they wouldn't be expecting. We run the dive play all the time.

[lonny23]

Lonny, if I were to support Houston SamHouston, that would be me recognizing that Houston exists.. I am constantly telling myself that there is no Houston.. People are just telling me that to mess with my head or something..

I just keep my head in the sand and tell myself it's not really there...

Actually, I didnt know about samhouston.. I may have to change my team.. (again)
OK, the battle is on. Houston SFA is 3rd worst, Laredo United South is 2nd worst, and Houston Sam Houston is the worst. The 2 Houston schools are in District 21, which is 2nd worst in the state to 29, home of the Laredo schools:

(242) Houston Austin

Dist 21 Mascot: Mustangs Colors: Kelly, White

HD Coach: Pete Gareri

Sch. Pop at school (1-9-0), Ov'All (1-9-0)

2006 2005 Overall Record (1-9) District (1-6)

Week 0 8/26
Open 148.73

Week 1 9/2
at (151) Houston Furr (5-5) 4A - 21
5
(L 16-39)
139.61

Week 2 9/10
vs (219) Pasadena Sam Rayburn (3-7) 5A - 23
-18
(L 0-19)
139.52

Week 3 9/16
vs (97) Galena Park (6-3) 4A - 19
-20
(L 0-57)
134.26

Week 4 9/29
at *(14) Houston Lamar (10-1) 5A - 21
-44
(L 0-52)
133.18

Week 5 10/4
vs *(154) Houston Bellaire (5-5) 5A - 21
-17
(L 0-30)
131.41

Week 6 10/8
at *(52) Houston Madison (9-2) 5A - 21
-47
(L 0-74)
127.84

Week 7 10/15
at *(193) Houston Milby (4-6) 5A - 21
-21
(L 6-65)
123.09

Week 8 10/21
at *(244) Houston Sam Houston (0-10) 5A - 21
-1
(W 27-14)
126.72

Week 9 10/29
vs *(174) Houston Chavez (4-6) 5A - 21
-24
(L 0-49)
123.81

Week 10 11/5
vs *(76) Houston Westside (6-5) 5A - 21
-45
(L 0-56)
122.59

2005 PF (49) PA (455)

Off. Avg: (5) Def. Avg: (45)

MOV: (-41) SOS: (52-50)

Weekly Rankings:

Reg: (# 64) State: (# 242) O'all: (# 789)

Pnts Scored-ST: (# 243) Pnts Scored-O'all: (# 1094)

Pnts Allowed-ST: (# 242) Pnts Allowed-O'all: (# 1078)

MOV -ST: (# 242) MOV -O'all: (# 1089)

Movers-State: (# 239) Movers-O'all: (# 1089)

Shakers-State: (# 6) Shakers-O'all: (# 19)

SOS-ST Rec: (# 168) SOS-O'all Rec: (# 681)

SOS-ST Rating: (# 221) SOS-O'all Rating: (# 311)

5A (244) Houston Sam Houston

Dist 21 Mascot: Tigers Colors: Gold, Black

HD Coach: Douglas Kelt

Sch. Pop at school (1-19-0), Ov'All (1-19-0)

2904 2005 Overall Record (0-10) District (0-7)

Week 0 8/26
Open 152.37

Week 1 9/1
vs (203) Houston Davis (2-8) 4A - 21
7
(L 0-27)
141.29

Week 2 9/9
at (97) Galena Park (6-3) 4A - 19
-20
(L 0-49)
137.06

Week 3 9/15
vs (187) Houston Scarborough (3-6) 4A - 21
7
(L 8-14)
133.09

Week 4 9/30
at *(76) Houston Westside (6-5) 5A - 21
-34
(L 0-55)
130.19

Week 5 10/3
vs *(174) Houston Chavez (4-6) 5A - 21
-22
(L 0-56)
125.60

Week 6 10/8
vs *(14) Houston Lamar (10-1) 5A - 21
-53
(L 0-69)
123.51

Week 7 10/15
at *(154) Houston Bellaire (5-5) 5A - 21
-35
(L 9-62)
121.23

Week 8 10/21
vs *(242) Houston Austin (1-9) 5A - 21
1
(L 14-27)
117.60

Week 9 10/29
at *(193) Houston Milby (4-6) 5A - 21
-35
(L 0-64)
114.18

Week 10 11/3
at *(52) Houston Madison (9-2) 5A - 21
-70
(L 0-56)
115.71

2005 PF (31) PA (479)

Off. Avg: (3) Def. Avg: (48)

MOV: (-45) SOS: (50-51)

Weekly Rankings:

Reg: (# 65) State: (# 244) O'all: (# 871)

Pnts Scored-ST: (# 244) Pnts Scored-O'all: (# 1101)

Pnts Allowed-ST: (# 243) Pnts Allowed-O'all: (# 1090)

MOV -ST: (# 244) MOV -O'all: (# 1100)

Movers-State: (# 244) Movers-O'all: (# 1105)

Shakers-State: (# 1) Shakers-O'all: (# 3)

SOS-ST Rec: (# 194) SOS-O'all Rec: (# 773)

SOS-ST Rating: (# 236) SOS-O'all Rating: (# 347)

5A (243) Laredo United South

Dist 29 Mascot: Panthers Colors: Black, Silver

HD Coach: Joe Sendejar

Sch. Pop at school (0-10-0), Ov'All (0-10-0)

1923 2005 Overall Record (0-10) District (0-7)
CL/Dist
Picks
Score
Rating

Week 0 8/26
vs (216) San Antonio Southwest (3-7) 5A - 25
-6
(L 7-28)
148.45

Week 1 9/2
vs (130) Uvalde (3-7) 4A - 28
13
(L 0-41)
130.90

Week 2 9/9
at (174) CC Tuloso-Midway (2-8) 4A - 31
-9
(L 0-41)
126.22

Week 3 9/16
Open 126.22

Week 4 9/24
vs *(146) Eagle Pass (6-5) 5A - 29
-12
(L 13-45)
123.43

Week 5 9/29
at *(169) Laredo Cigarroa (6-4) 5A - 29
-31
(L 0-34)
123.08

Week 6 10/6
at *(231) Laredo Martin (3-7) 5A - 29
-28
(L 0-49)
120.27

Week 7 10/14
vs *(90) Laredo United (10-1) 5A - 29
-44
(L 0-62)
118.02

Week 8 10/20
at *(236) Laredo Alexander (1-9) 5A - 29
-21
(L 3-27)
117.66

Week 9 10/28
vs *(36) Laredo Nixon (9-2) 5A - 29
-59
(L 0-56)
117.97

Week 10 11/3
at *(237) Laredo Johnson (3-7) 5A - 29
-22
(L 34-40)
119.73

2005 PF (57) PA (423)

Off. Avg: (6) Def. Avg: (42)

MOV: (-37) SOS: (46-57)

Weekly Rankings:

Reg: (# 58) State: (# 243) O'all: (# 826)

Pnts Scored-ST: (# 241) Pnts Scored-O'all: (# 1084)

Pnts Allowed-ST: (# 239) Pnts Allowed-O'all: (# 1060)

MOV -ST: (# 240) MOV -O'all: (# 1073)

Movers-State: (# 243) Movers-O'all: (# 1099)

Shakers-State: (# 2) Shakers-O'all: (# 9)

SOS-ST Rec: (# 223) SOS-O'all Rec: (# 913)

SOS-ST Rating: (# 242) SOS-O'all Rating: (# 412)

[c-lisle]

I can't beleive some fans are blaming this on the refs. We should've beat this team easily even with the penalties. Fact is Lview did not come to play just like with Rockwall an NM and it finally got us. Good game to SG. Good luck.

[stevefoxsc]

THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE, JUST A STATEMENT.

If you read the Dallas Morning News Article on the Longview, South Garland game, go back and read the last two paragraphs.

The reporter asked head coach John King about the officiating. He replied,"No comment. Put that in bold as the headline."

The fact that the reporter would even ask that question is telling. The fact that any head coach would respond that way is also very telling.



With that being said, I do not think it is a consipiracy. However, this game needs to be reviewed by the UIL, and if they find that this game was that poorly officiated then the officials need to be reprimanded.


amazing temple got the same question about the 2003 game vs the woodland's those DWF officials are somthing huh

[Roughrider]

:)
Well we already celebrated beating South Garland this year ( something you cant say from 2 attempts in the past 3 years) and currently we are preparing ourselves for the second round of the playoffs. What are your plans this week BigArab?? Come out to Texas Stadium Friday and watch the Owls AND the Colonels! Forget East Texas we play real football in the metroplex! :)


But we know who won the last two.... and you just slide by with a td given to you by the offense :D

[RP-3]

I can't beleive some fans are blaming this on the refs. We should've beat this team easily even with the penalties. Fact is Lview did not come to play just like with Rockwall an NM and it finally got us. Good game to SG. Good luck.


EXACTLY!!!

[RP-3]

hmmmm Guess I need to change my signature to GO LOBOS 2006 :(

[RP-3]

I don't like criticising the coaches but I was wandering the exact same thing. I guess Ivory was hurt. And besides that SG has a huge Dline...I just don't understand the play call. How about running a play they wouldn't be expecting. We run the dive play all the time.


That makes 3 of us wondering the same thing. I was saying all day Saturday at the game give the ball to Vondrell and get out of the way...Oh well...

Good Luck to the other teams left in the PO...with a bigger shout out to our East Texas buddies the Lufkin Panthers ...

[owlfan 1]

But we know who won the last two.... and you just slide by with a td given to you by the offense :D

And we know who won the 10 before that - and SG just squeezed by with a fortunate (and phantom) holding call... :D

[JoeC]

Well, I didn't see the game, so I don't know what happened, but it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that bad officiating could sway the outcome of a game. I'm sorry to see LV gone so soon.

It is so good to see someone that is at least objective. :) I wonder how and why so many people that did not attend this game can be so quick to discount the poor officiating without a shred of evidence to support their hypothesis. :confused: Let me say this, if any other team, no matter who, was subjected to a series of penalties [totaling more than 100 yrds in a single quarter] while on the other hand, the opposing team was squeaky clean, I would if nothing else, give those complaining the benefit of doubt before discounting their judgement without a shred of evidence otherwise. That's called being objective. Now from a sensible point of view, anyone that has ever officiated can validate the following point. On just about any given play, if you look hard enough, you can find an infraction - even at the professional level. If the statement that I just elucidated can be found to be practical and clearly it can, then someone with a small sense of objectivity, please explain the large degree of disparity. My own personal opinion is that when we jumped out to a quick 10-0 lead that these officials felt compelled to prevent or at least reduce the onslaught and in doing so, things [so drastically] got out of hand. But here's the truth, except it or leave it, the officiating in this game quickly turned into a one-sided affair (period). Whether you want to believe it or not, it did happen and play by play validates it!!! For one single quarter there was a flag on just about every play; and unfortunately, they all were on guess what team(?) . . . Now instead of choosing to discount it, why not try the alternative, try and explain it in a sensible and pragmatic manner. What really baffles me about this whole thing is the fact that just about everyone discounting what happened - - failed to see a single play. I wonder why there are not more SG supporters discounting or at least attempting to explain the obvious disparity reflected in this game? :cool:

[dragonfly]

I didn't see the game but I know there are bad calls in every game and I know that great teams can beat the officials too. Sounds to me like some Longview fans are still stuck in the anger stage. Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance will soon follow.

[Redneckn]

I didn't see the game but I know there are bad calls in every game and I know that great teams can beat the officials too. Sounds to me like some Longview fans are still stuck in the anger stage. Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance will soon follow.

That's funny...I have to think that the acceptance stage will come way later on... Like sometime during the spring or early summer.

[JoeC]

I didn't see the game but I know there are bad calls in every game and I know that great teams can beat the officials too. Sounds to me like some Longview fans are still stuck in the anger stage. Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance will soon follow.


Good stuff except my stages are going like the following: pissed, pisseder (new word), beyond pisseder, mad as all get out, pisssed-depression (includes a feeling of helplessness), followed by Letting it Go (which includes none acceptance - ever!!) - sometime in 2006, or 2007, or 08, or 09, or . . . . . . . .

[Redneckn]

JoeC...That's pretty funny too.. The ability to express your anger thru created words is what sets you aside from everyone else... haha.. Really, that's funny.. :D

[Favpack]

Good stuff except my stages are going like the following: pissed, pisseder (new word), beyond pisseder, mad as all get out, pisssed-depression (includes a feeling of helplessness), followed by Letting it Go (which includes none acceptance - ever!!) - sometime in 2006, or 2007, or 08, or 09, or . . . . . . . .
A new year means new hope JoeC-- the kids are often more resilient than we adults.

[toonman]

I have not read all 7 pages of this thread. But in a nut shell. Longview were not good enough. Lobo Fans have been wearing rose tinted spectacles all season and the fans’ silence is probably one of embarrassment; after all the early season talk of big wins, this season was to be a win over their nemesis - Lufkin, talk of a first State Championship since 1937. Longview do not have have one of premier programs in the State or a prgram in place to win take tham to the State game - as compared to Lufkin, Katy, SLC, SV to name but a few.

[StormingCowboy]

YES WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF YOUR SCHOOL. WHO CARES. IT'S HISTORY. LET'S TALK ABOUT NOW. LONGVIEW, LUFKIN AND CARTER ARE OVER RATED. LUFKIN SHOW US NOTHING YESTERDAY. GOOD D BUT CAN BE SCORED ON. THESE TEAMS ONLY PLAY ONE OR TWO GOOD FOOTBALL TEAMS DURING THE SEASON. COME TO 13-5A AND LETS SEE WHAT YOUR SEASON RECORD WOULD BE.


Why are you worried about Carter's ranking? Our recent history looks like yours: 1 or 2 and OUT!!! And you guys are ranked higher than us!!!!!

[Favpack]

Why are you worried about Carter's ranking? Our recent history looks like yours: 1 or 2 and OUT!!! And you guys are ranked higher than us!!!!!

Don't worry about that goofball Cowboy. I think he had the weekend off, found the forum - and decided to try and p*ss everyone off. KT and others told him to turn the caps off like 7 times - I don't think he knew what that means.

[pack0808]

Why are you worried about Carter's ranking? Our recent history looks like yours: 1 or 2 and OUT!!! And you guys are ranked higher than us!!!!!


Well Longview has actually made it past the 2nd round recently storming!! ;) Didn't Longview just beat DC not too long ago in the playoffs?? Maybe 2002?? I believe so?? When is the last time DC has made it past the 2nd round?? I am not being a jerk i seriously do not know?? Was it 88?? ;) Speaking of that 88 team, I saw the espn special on them during lunch. It was some good stuff!! First time i had a chance to see it. Dang that team was talented!! :eek:

[farmerfan]

Carter made it to the 3rd round in 2003 where they got beat by Leander in a very close game.

[c-lisle]

I have not read all 7 pages of this thread. But in a nut shell. Longview were not good enough. Lobo Fans have been wearing rose tinted spectacles all season and the fans’ silence is probably one of embarrassment; after all the early season talk of big wins, this season was to be a win over their nemesis - Lufkin, talk of a first State Championship since 1937. Longview do not have have one of premier programs in the State or a prgram in place to win take tham to the State game - as compared to Lufkin, Katy, SLC, SV to name but a few.


With all due respect you really don't know what you are talking about. Sure we lost but I garuantee you this was a very good Longview team CAPABLE of beating anyone in the state. Anyone that saw us outside the NM, Rwall, and SG game will tell you what we were capable of. You sound bitter towards us...we must have knocked your team around sometime in the past. I think the game was a result of lack of focus, bad coaching and SG playing their guts out.

[pack0808]

Carter made it to the 3rd round in 2003 where they got beat by Leander in a very close game.


Ok so Longview is a ahead by a couple if you are going by recent history and if you are going by who has made it past the 2nd round.

[TheDuke]

With all due respect you really don't know what you are talking about. Sure we lost but I garuantee you this was a very good Longview team CAPABLE of beating anyone in the state. Anyone that saw us outside the NM, Rwall, and SG game will tell you what we were capable of. You sound bitter towards us...we must have knocked your team around sometime in the past. I think the game was a result of lack of focus, bad coaching and SG playing their guts out.

Can anyone explain what happened in this game? Turnovers, etc.?

VERY CURIOUS how Longview floundered this game!

[Favpack]

Can anyone explain what happened in this game? Turnovers, etc.?

VERY CURIOUS how Longview floundered this game!

Duke - check out me "Where's Bleedgreen" thread below - it gives a link to the Longview paper - combo. of red zone trouble, a tenacious SG team, missed fg, and yellow hankie problems.

[RP-3]

Can anyone explain what happened in this game? Turnovers, etc.?

VERY CURIOUS how Longview floundered this game!


Bottom line lack of focus. Didn't execute when we were in the red zone. Missed field goals...Not to mention SG players would not roll over and play dead for us. They came to play and they deserve all the credit.

Yes there were questionable calls. But GOOD TEAMS are suppose to be able to overcome things like that.

Congratulations to SG and Good luck

[JoeC]

A new year means new hope JoeC-- the kids are often more resilient than we adults.

I don't know man (regarding the kids being more resilient). My son, a junior at LHS, decided to sat out this year and focus on his education. He was so dejected at the officials and the coaches, more so with the officials, that he said he does not believe he'll be playing next season. The kid is very smart and has an astounding set of principles for someone his age. He expressed his displeasure at the way adults (as he put it) conducted themselves. . . I hate it but my principles will not allow me to try and force him to play. At age 16, he stands 5' 7 1/2" and weights 248lbs. I suspect he'll top out at about 5' 9" or 5' 10" and 250+ by next season. He runs about 4.85 seconds in the 40 and leg presses 400 lbs easily (multiple reps). I stand 5' 11" and weight 238 lbs myself and we workout together at least twice a week. . . But personally, I don't think football is his passion, his heart is with his education and he is one fine Artist. He said he was really considering playing next season but as he put it, "what I saw during this game daddy, really turned me off." Hopefuly he'll change his mind, but seriously, I doubt it. Be :cool: Again, good luck to LP, Marshall, Kilgore, Gilmer, LE, Tatum, Palestine, Arp, Big Sandy, Harleton, Omaha Paul Pewitt, etc. - make East Texas Proud!!!

[Redneckn]

I'm not real sure what to say to that JoeC other than that is really sad...

[Favpack]

I don't know man (regarding the kids being more resilient). My son, a junior at LHS, decided to sat out this year and focus on his education. He was so dejected at the officials and the coaches, more so with the officials, that he said he does not believe he'll be playing next season. The kid is very smart and has an astounding set of principles for someone his age. He expressed his displeasure at the way adults (as he put it) conducted themselves. . . I hate it but my principles will not allow me to try and force him to play. At age 16, he stands 5' 7 1/2" and weights 248lbs. I suspect he'll top out at about 5' 9" or 5' 10" and 250+ by next season. He runs about 4.85 seconds in the 40 and leg presses 400 lbs easily (multiple reps). I stand 5' 11" and weight 238 lbs myself and we workout together at least twice a week. . . But personally, I don't think football is his passion, his heart is with his education and he is one fine Artist. He said he was really considering playing next season but as he put it, "what I saw during this game daddy, really turned me off." Hopefuly he'll change his mind, but seriously, I doubt it. Be :cool: Again, good luck to LP, Marshall, Kilgore, Gilmer, LE, Tatum, Palestine, Arp, Big Sandy, Harleton, Omaha Paul Pewitt, etc. - make East Texas Proud!!!

Let him go with it JoeC - you're a great dad and man for letting him do it. I had the same issue with my oldest, but it was on the cheerleader side - no regrets my man - education is where the future is. Just don't send those stats to Coach King - they've got some holes to fill in the O and D lines :)

[JoeC]

Let him go with it JoeC - you're a great dad and man for letting him do it. I had the same issue with my oldest, but it was on the cheerleader side - no regrets my man - education is where the future is. Just don't send those stats to Coach King - they've got some holes to fill in the O and D lines :)

I appreciate your sentiment. By the way, good luck on the rest of your season. . . I am done (!!!), of course unless LP makes it to the big showdown against SLC. If that happens I'll be in the stands on the side where everybody is wearing purple!!! Again, Good Luck - take it all the way!!!! All BS aside, if we can't get it, I can't think of a better team (Get It Done!!!) . . . :) ;) :cool: