Lufkin to be ranked #1

[Shoot2thrill]

Just talked to a guy who bumped into ktchamp97's barber at Kinkos out in Midland and he said that kt leaked this tidbit to him: Lufkin will be pre-season #1. Some of us suspected this might happen and I think they are worthy of this lofty position. What do you guys think? :confused:

BTW, of course none of the above is true except that Lufkin IMHO will be pre-season #1. I have been reading some of the responses posted by the administrators and I see some subtle little hints here and there that suggest a change at the top for this year. At least until the games begin. Hope this information is helpful....or at least entertaining... :eek: .

[jtk1519]

You cant put anybody ahead of SLC. Sure SLC lost their starting QB and RB... so did Lufkin, so there is no way Lufkin (or any other school) is worthy of that #1 ranking ahead of SLC.

[Chief Wahoo]

You cant put anybody ahead of SLC. Sure SLC lost their starting QB and RB... so did Lufkin, so there is no way Lufkin (or any other school) is worthy of that #1 ranking ahead of SLC.

That's your opinion jtk. I happen to agree with shoot2thrill. Although I am not sure that Spring Westfield isn't who is going to be at the top. They have a TON of people back from their championship game team. It IS possible to have someone other than SLC at the top you know. :cool:

[jtk1519]

That's your opinion jtk. I happen to agree with shoot2thrill. Although I am not sure that Spring Westfield isn't who is going to be at the top. They have a TON of people back from their championship game team. It IS possible to have someone other than SLC at the top you know. :cool:

Not when that team is coming of a national championship. Not when that team returns arguably the best group of WRs in the state and a very highly regarded QB. Finally, not when that team is under the direction of Todd Dodge.

You're right, it is just my opinion, but I would sure like to hear anybody make a case for any team over SLC.

[ALLSTAR]

until anyone can beat slc, no one deserves to be number one except them.

[Shoot2thrill]

Not when that team is coming of a national championship. Not when that team returns arguably the best group of WRs in the state and a very highly regarded QB. Finally, not when that team is under the direction of Todd Dodge.

You're right, it is just my opinion, but I would sure like to hear anybody make a case for any team over SLC.

Of course you might be right..but you also might be wrong. You thought Abilene was a lock for the top 10 remember? :D

[Shoot2thrill]

until anyone can beat slc, no one deserves to be number one except them.

Gee there is no bias there is there homer? But you might be right anyway Allstar.... :eek: .

[dragonsdaddy]

sv has every reason to be ranked #1 too. they have certainly earned it, and are returning a pretty good nucleus. replacing pavlek won't be easy, but the sr to be are pretty salty. i could be convinced that slc, lufkin, lview, or sv were #1. westfield has only one excellent year to prop themselves up with and so i see them next on the list.

[ktchamp97]

Just talked to a guy who bumped into ktchamp97's barber at Kinkos out in Midland and he said that kt leaked this tidbit to him: Lufkin will be pre-season #1. Some of us suspected this might happen and I think they are worthy of this lofty position. What do you guys think? :confused:

BTW, of course none of the above is true except that Lufkin IMHO will be pre-season #1. I have been reading some of the responses posted by the administrators and I see some subtle little hints here and there that suggest a change at the top for this year. At least until the games begin. Hope this information is helpful....or at least entertaining... :eek: .

Haha...That is some good stuff! :D

Glad you guys are having fun with this.

[Texasfrog]

sv has every reason to be ranked #1 too. they have certainly earned it, and are returning a pretty good nucleus. replacing pavlek won't be easy, but the sr to be are pretty salty. i could be convinced that slc, lufkin, lview, or sv were #1. westfield has only one excellent year to prop themselves up with and so i see them next on the list.

Actually Westfield has been playing top #10 Texas football for awhile. They just havent been able to close the deal and win a State title. I expect that Westfield will be up there in the top #5 this year and making a serious run for a State title.

[jtk1519]

Of course you might be right..but you also might be wrong. You thought Abilene was a lock for the top 10 remember? :D


Abilene is a top 10 team. These guys just got it wrong. :cool:

[ktchamp97]

Abilene is a top 10 team. These guys just got it wrong. :cool:

It wouldn't be the first time, that's for sure. We shall see.

[Lp78]

Lufkin should be somewhere between #3-#5. SLC & Longview should be ranked ahead of them.

[drgnbkr]

I think you just throw Lufkin, Longview, SV, Westfield and Carroll in a hat & pick one....they all good!

[jtk1519]

It wouldn't be the first time, that's for sure. We shall see.

You guys are pretty much the best in the land when it comes to these things, but I do disagree on a couple of your picks. That #1 spot filled by anyone other than SLC will be a mistake in my view, but only time will tell who's right. I guess you guys deserve the benefit of the doubt given yalls history of excellence.

[supercentex]

They have a good streak going of picking the champions..........I would like them to stay on track and keep smokin' Dave Campbell. So, no matter who they pick...as off the wall as it seems.......I would stick behind them on it.

Everyone has a fall...and this may be another year that SLC takes a "mild" fall.

[Texasfrog]

They have a good streak going of picking the champions..........I would like them to stay on track and keep smokin' Dave Campbell. So, no matter who they pick...as off the wall as it seems.......I would stick behind them on it.

Everyone has a fall...and this may be another year that SLC takes a "mild" fall.

I have a fell-in that SLC is going to be better this season then they were last season. I think the defense is going to be better and I think last years SLC defense wasnt bad as many (nationally seem to think). SLC will be a top #5 Texas team.

[Chief Wahoo]

Abilene is a top 10 team. These guys just got it wrong. :cool:

I'm with you on that statement jtk, we will have to see how the season plays out and see who was right... :cool: .

[NewSherriffInTown]

It's not cool if someone besides SLC is #1 because if everybody is considered even right now in the top 5, and if Lufkin and SLC both lost HUGE parts of their team but also return ALOT of talent, you just can't give SLC the boot. The defending champs should only be dropped when the talent difference is significant.

Thats just my opinion...I may be wrong.

[Texasfrog]

It's not cool if someone besides SLC is #1 because if everybody is considered even right now in the top 5, and if Lufkin and SLC both lost HUGE parts of their team but also return ALOT of talent, you just can't give SLC the boot. The defending champs should only be dropped when the talent difference is significant.

Thats just my opinion...I may be wrong.

Both teams will be right there in December looking each other in the face. The only thing that will stop that is if there is some funky that happens like key injuries, players failling classes or ect.

Like I've said before. It really doesnt matter. I think the Texas top #15 are pretty much on par with each other on most Friday nights anyway.

[concha]

This is a post I saw on another Texas site a few months ago. Is this true? It may help answer questions about SLC's defense, anyway.


"Out of the 71 teams who have won (or tied/or forfeited) a championship in Texas in the largest classification since the 5 division set-up was started in 1951, the '04 SLC team ranks dead last in points allowed per game.

1. Austin Reagan '68 3.40 (pts allowed per game)
2. Odessa Permian '80 4.33
3. San Antonio Churchill '76 4.40
4. Houston Yates '85 4.81
5. Wichita Falls '61 5.00

67. Beaumont West Brook '82 17.12
68. Converse Judson '92 17.87
69. Killeen '91 19.53
70. Converse Judson '02 19.67
71. Southlake Carroll '04 20.12"

[drgnbkr]

It's an insignificant stat when Carroll scores on virtually every possesion....you kind of tend to hand the other team the ball an inordinate amount of the time through kick-offs. There were games this past year when Carroll did score on every possesion.... ;)

[concha]

It's an insignificant stat when Carroll scores on virtually every possesion....you kind of tend to hand the other team the ball an inordinate amount of the time through kick-offs. There were games this past year when Carroll did score on every possesion.... ;)

Got any TOP stats for them?

[drgnbkr]

Again, insignificant....Quick strike offenses like Carroll and Lufkin and others don't take long to hang a lot of points

[Shoot2thrill]

This is a post I saw on another Texas site a few months ago. Is this true? It may help answer questions about SLC's defense, anyway.


"Out of the 71 teams who have won (or tied/or forfeited) a championship in Texas in the largest classification since the 5 division set-up was started in 1951, the '04 SLC team ranks dead last in points allowed per game.

1. Austin Reagan '68 3.40 (pts allowed per game)
2. Odessa Permian '80 4.33
3. San Antonio Churchill '76 4.40
4. Houston Yates '85 4.81
5. Wichita Falls '61 5.00

67. Beaumont West Brook '82 17.12
68. Converse Judson '92 17.87
69. Killeen '91 19.53
70. Converse Judson '02 19.67
71. Southlake Carroll '04 20.12"

Just goes to show you that while defense normally wins championships, an average defense can be adequate when you have an almost unstoppable offense. And SLC's defense was above average last year-overshadowed by their O. Those numbers were skewed a little because of the absolute quality of their last 4 opponents. Abilene, Denton Ryan and Lufkin had been lighting up the scoreboard all year. In fact, Abilene had outscored SLC up until the 9th game of the season. :eek: . You can lay off the D a little when you score like SLC did (does). :cool:

[jtk1519]

As has been mentioned before, you have to put a little "*" next to the SLC defensive stats. The unit is much better than the number would indicate. The problem is that when your offense often score on drives that are like 6 plays 80 yards in :45... that forces your defense to be on the field a lot longer than other teams. I would be willing to bet, though I dont have the numbers to support it, that the SLC defense spends more time on the field than pretty much any other team in Texas.

Compare that to teams like the '80 Permian squad that gave up just 4.33 points per game. Permian ran a ground based attack that was designed to chew up massive amounts of clock. That Permian D could have spent almost an entire quarter on the sideline because the offense was out there chewing up 4 yards and 30 seconds a snap. Permian only scored an average of 23 points per game in '80. Compare that to SLC who scored an average of more than 35 points per game.

[eagleike]

Quick strike offenses put a lot of presure on their defense because of time of possession. Just ask the Texas Tech defense.

After watching SLC play over the past two years I would say that their defense deserves a little more credit for their performance. Many of the points scored were against second teamers during mop up time after the games were out of reach.

Throw in the killer playoff run against some outstanding opponents and you can see why the points per game was high.

[Texasfrog]

This is a post I saw on another Texas site a few months ago. Is this true? It may help answer questions about SLC's defense, anyway.


"Out of the 71 teams who have won (or tied/or forfeited) a championship in Texas in the largest classification since the 5 division set-up was started in 1951, the '04 SLC team ranks dead last in points allowed per game.

1. Austin Reagan '68 3.40 (pts allowed per game)
2. Odessa Permian '80 4.33
3. San Antonio Churchill '76 4.40
4. Houston Yates '85 4.81
5. Wichita Falls '61 5.00

67. Beaumont West Brook '82 17.12
68. Converse Judson '92 17.87
69. Killeen '91 19.53
70. Converse Judson '02 19.67
71. Southlake Carroll '04 20.12"

Again Concha let me teach you something about Texas football ok. See the dates on those Texas teams that kept teams to like 7 pts or less. Those are the days when Texas was a " 3 yds and cloud of dust offense." Run, run, run and keep running. Hey, kinda like Ohio huh ? run, run, run and keep running.

In Texas in the past "lets say 8 or so years" the spread offense has made it's way into probably 50% of the 5A teams. They spread the field with about 25 different formations and use motion and shifting to get mis-matches with the defense. This opens up the offensive game and opens up the scoring.

The old days ( Early 90's and before) it was usual to see bigtimes games end up being 14-10 and scores like that.

Today... with the spread offense. The scores are more like 35-25 & 40-35 and ect.

So, I'll say it again to you. You comparing Ohio football to Texas football is like comparing Apples to Oranges. The systems are totally different.

Add to it. all the summer "7 on 7" and ect. The offense are even more deadly.

Its not that the defense's are bad in Texas. Its that the offense's are very very good.

Tell me one Ohio big school team that runs the spread offense and always has 3 to 4 (college level Wr's) and Qb( college level) and Rb (college level) and several O-lineman (college level) playing in it ? Tell me one ?

You wont see it. Ohio is still a " 3 yards and cloud of dust" football State. Run first, Run second and run third.

[concha]

Again Concha let me teach you something about Texas football ok. See the dates on those Texas teams that kept teams to like 7 pts or less. Those are the days when Texas was a " 3 yds and cloud of dust offense." Run, run, run and keep running. Hey, kinda like Ohio huh ? run, run, run and keep running.

In Texas in the past "lets say 8 or so years" the spread offense has made it's way into probably 50% of the 5A teams. They spread the field with about 25 different formations and use motion and shifting to get mis-matches with the defense. This opens up the offensive game and opens up the scoring.

The old days ( Early 90's and before) it was usual to see bigtimes games end up being 14-10 and scores like that.

Today... with the spread offense. The scores are more like 35-25 & 40-35 and ect.

So, I'll say it again to you. You comparing Ohio football to Texas football is like comparing Apples to Oranges. The systems are totally different.

Add to it. all the summer "7 on 7" and ect. The offense are even more deadly.

Its not that the defense's are bad in Texas. Its that the offense's are very very good.

Tell me one Ohio big school team that runs the spread offense and always has 3 to 4 (college level Wr's) and Qb( college level) and Rb (college level) and several O-lineman (college level) playing in it ? Tell me one ?

You wont see it. Ohio is still a " 3 yards and cloud of dust" football State. Run first, Run second and run third.

Froggy, Your paranoia is comical. Where did I mention Ohio? Oh, that's right. Nowhere.

And you need to do some research on Ohio, lad.

As regards the SLC defense, they only held opponenets to under 10 on two occasions and even excluding the "monster" offenses of Abilene, Lufkin and Ryan, they dropped 3 TDs or more on 6 occasions (14 or more on ten). While their defense was far from awful, it was hardly a world-beater. And the offense was very impressive, but was held to 28 or under on 3 occasions. Somehow I think they must have has more than 4 possessions in each of those 3 games. The "score at will" image used by many is just plain silly.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

The single most important statistic (other than the academic ones, of course).....

Wins and Losses...

I think SLC has that one covered...

[concha]

Information for Froggy.

Froggy, I know that you think you know it all, but just in case:

As regards Ohio team salways running the ball, you may want to absorb the fact that the three of the four top programs in Region 4 (where Colerain plays) passed from 56% (Elder), 42% (St. Xavier) and 62% (Moeller) of the time. Most of Ohio's better programs have very balanced offenses.

So much for "3 yards and a cloud of dust". Great insight on your part, as usual. :rolleyes:

[drgnbkr]

Carroll beat Coppell, the Dragons biggest local rival, 70-21 and scored on every possession..yet time of possession was about even. What does that prove? When you play teams as potent as Carroll, you better be able to move the ball. This was more obvious late in the playoffs vs. Abilene, Lufkin and SV, which were all competitive, if not classic games. Hence the skewed D numbers.

[ktchamp97]

This is a post I saw on another Texas site a few months ago. Is this true? It may help answer questions about SLC's defense, anyway.


"Out of the 71 teams who have won (or tied/or forfeited) a championship in Texas in the largest classification since the 5 division set-up was started in 1951, the '04 SLC team ranks dead last in points allowed per game.

1. Austin Reagan '68 3.40 (pts allowed per game)
2. Odessa Permian '80 4.33
3. San Antonio Churchill '76 4.40
4. Houston Yates '85 4.81
5. Wichita Falls '61 5.00

67. Beaumont West Brook '82 17.12
68. Converse Judson '92 17.87
69. Killeen '91 19.53
70. Converse Judson '02 19.67
71. Southlake Carroll '04 20.12"

I'm not sure what this proves other than the fact that their offense was incredible and that their defense did enough to win a 2nd state title in 3 tries since moving up to the state's highest classification. Carroll's D was obviously good enough.

[concha]

I'm not sure what this proves other than the fact that their offense was incredible and that their defense did enough to win a 2nd state title in 3 tries since moving up to the state's highest classification. Carroll's D was obviously good enough.

I'm sure SLC's offense was probably one of the better ones in the nation. But they weren't awesome all the time (3 games held to 28 or less, great for many teams but performances like that don't live up to the hype).

The defensive performance was, as you say, "good enough". But obviously not one to go down in the annals of great Texan defenses.

[PackAttack2005]

Concha, you statistics are correct. However, you must take into consideration the differences that exist today compared to 20-30 plus years ago.

In those days the fast break quick scoring spread offenses were not the norm in high school football. Ball control Wing-T, Wishbone and Power-I were the dominate force in Texas high School football. The stratagies were much different then than today. Back 20-30 years ago most teams tried to control the ball with their offense ( keep away ), therefore limiting the number of possession for the opposing offense. Add in a good run stopping defense and you have the 6.5 ppg defensive averages. Today, more teams run versions of the spread offense, which are more wide open and score more points. The key word here is "spread", they spead the opponents defenses all over the field and find the mis-match. Good spread offenses like Southlake, Tyler Lee or Lufkin score lots of points on very good defenses, they get such big leads they let the other team run the clock for them trying to catch up and allow a few meaningless scores along the way, thus the reason for the higher defensive stat averages. The main point is the end results, Southlake has 2 State championships in 3 straight visits to the State game. Lufkin has 1 State Championship and 2 semi-final appearances in 4 years with the spread offensive.

If you checked the same offensive stats for the 1970-1980's you would also find much lower offensive scoring averages for those teams you listed.

Today, it's not that the defenses are not good, the spread has made offenses much better. What you don't see with Southlake is that in many of their games they might win 45-28 and you think, Oh their defense can be scored on. What you don't see is that they were up 45-7 at the beginning of the 4th quarter and played their 2nd and 3rd team players. That is were SLC and Lufkin gave up their points last year, after the game was well over.

[concha]

PA2005,

Your civil and well presented response is appreciated.

[Favpack]

I find it hard to believe KT is leaking such vital info ;) -- I for one would be kinda wondering what someone might see to have LP No. 1 in state. The potential is there to be really special, and I know the D will be stellar - but when your qb and rb are unproven -- and you compare that to a Longview or similar that is returning so much -- I don't know....

[Chief Wahoo]

I find it hard to believe KT is leaking such vital info ;) -- I for one would be kinda wondering what someone might see to have LP No. 1 in state. The potential is there to be really special, and I know the D will be stellar - but when your qb and rb are unproven -- and you compare that to a Longview or similar that is returning so much -- I don't know....

LOL.. Thanks favpack for bringin the thread back to it's original intent! My cousin is the one that started this thread to have a little fun and to throw out a "hunch" that he had. He may be wrong but it certainly wouldn't be the first time (even today!). As usual it has "morphed" into another Ohio vs. Texas thread! Come on guys, what are your thoughts on the original subject.. :rolleyes:

[drgnbkr]

There are only 4 teams left in my opinion...Carroll, Lufkin, Smithsons Valley and Westfield. I don't think Westfield will be slotted #1 so to me it's could be either of the 3..LP, SV or Carroll as the preseason #1

[Texasfrog]

Information for Froggy.

Froggy, I know that you think you know it all, but just in case:

As regards Ohio team salways running the ball, you may want to absorb the fact that the three of the four top programs in Region 4 (where Colerain plays) passed from 56% (Elder), 42% (St. Xavier) and 62% (Moeller) of the time. Most of Ohio's better programs have very balanced offenses.

So much for "3 yards and a cloud of dust". Great insight on your part, as usual. :rolleyes:

Please amigo.. I've seen Elder, St. Iggy and Moeller play. If you even remotely think for one mili-second that they are "BALANCED" that's crazy. They run the ball 90% of the time. They also play pretty much one formation the whole game... ( PRO-I).

They get crazy every once in awhile and put "twin-WR" out there. If you think those offensives are as high powered as the Texas spread offensives.. Whooooaaaa. Come on dude..

Tell me this and dont even "LIE". Have you seen SLC play in lets say 2002, 2003 or 2004 ? I'm just curious. Have you seen SLC play ?

[PackAttack2005]

I hope Lufkin is #4 and not #1. SLC should be #1 coming off their State Championship and National Title in 2004, it is their right to defend those titles.

I think SLC and Smithson Valley will be #1 and #2 respectively.

To Concha, go to the following link and you can watch the Lufkin-SLC games from 2002 and 2004 Semi-finals.

http://cityoflufkin.com/panthers.htm

www.lufkinpanthersports.com

[Chief Wahoo]

I hope Lufkin is #4 and not #1. SLC should be #1 coming off their State Championship and National Title in 2004, it is their right to defend those titles.

I think SLC and Smithson Valley will be #1 and #2 respectively.

To Concha, go to the following link and you can watch the Lufkin-SLC games from 2002 and 2004 Semi-finals.

With all your returning starters on D, I can see you being #1. :cool:

[Red Raiders]

I hope Lufkin is #4 and not #1. SLC should be #1 coming off their State Championship and National Title in 2004, it is their right to defend those titles.

I think SLC and Smithson Valley will be #1 and #2 respectively.

To Concha, go to the following link and you can watch the Lufkin-SLC games from 2002 and 2004 Semi-finals.

http://cityoflufkin.com/panthers.htm

www.lufkinpanthersports.com

Why don't you defend your own team? you should hope Lufkin #1 because thats your team.

[concha]

Please amigo.. I've seen Elder, St. Iggy and Moeller play. If you even remotely think for one mili-second that they are "BALANCED" that's crazy. They run the ball 90% of the time. They also play pretty much one formation the whole game... ( PRO-I).

They get crazy every once in awhile and put "twin-WR" out there. If you think those offensives are as high powered as the Texas spread offensives.. Whooooaaaa. Come on dude..

Tell me this and dont even "LIE". Have you seen SLC play in lets say 2002, 2003 or 2004 ? I'm just curious. Have you seen SLC play ?

Check the stats. You're clueless.

The yardage is 42% to 62% passing for Elder, X and Moe. Attempts are from 1/3 to 1/2 passes for them.

You pat yourself on the back as some kind of football genius, and then spout this ignorant crap? Don't you ever get embarrassed? You should.

[drgnbkr]

You did'nt answer his question concha...

[PackAttack2005]

RedRaider, I would really like for my Panthers to be #1. In reality there will be lots talent on the offensive side of the ball that does not have varsity experience begining the season. Ask me about mid-season if I think they are #1 material.

[RockinL]

This is a post I saw on another Texas site a few months ago. Is this true? It may help answer questions about SLC's defense, anyway.


"Out of the 71 teams who have won (or tied/or forfeited) a championship in Texas in the largest classification since the 5 division set-up was started in 1951, the '04 SLC team ranks dead last in points allowed per game.

1. Austin Reagan '68 3.40 (pts allowed per game)
2. Odessa Permian '80 4.33
3. San Antonio Churchill '76 4.40
4. Houston Yates '85 4.81
5. Wichita Falls '61 5.00

67. Beaumont West Brook '82 17.12
68. Converse Judson '92 17.87
69. Killeen '91 19.53
70. Converse Judson '02 19.67
71. Southlake Carroll '04 20.12"


If Im not mistaken, this was NOT posted by a Texan, but by another stat fanatic from California.

[Texasfrog]

Check the stats. You're clueless.

The yardage is 42% to 62% passing for Elder, X and Moe. Attempts are from 1/3 to 1/2 passes for them.

You pat yourself on the back as some kind of football genius, and then spout this ignorant crap? Don't you ever get embarrassed? You should.

I just went back and check out the first half of the 2003 Elder vs Lakewood Ohio State title game there killer. Here is your halftime scouting report..

Play selection:

Elder: 25 rushes & 2 passes -- balanced ????????
Lakewood: 15 rushes & 6 passes -- balanced ???????

Halftime stats:

Elder: 85 yds rushing & 21 yds passing-- balanced ???
Lakewood: 63 yds rushing & 34 yds passing-- balanced ???

Elder ran the :Pro-I formation 21 times
: Spread formation 6 times (ran out of it)
Two different formations for Elder..

*Lakewood runs a spread formation that they run out of 75% of the time.

If you want to I'll go watch the second half for you. I know its more of the same. Run, Run, run, run, Run, PASS, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run..

So spare me that I'm making stuff up. I've got about 5 Ohio games on DVD with three of them being Ohio State Title games. I've seen them !!!!!

Point being.. if you think Elder , Lakewood, Colerain or Mckinley are as balanced as the Texas power elite teams your crazy. I can promise you handsdown that the Texas teams throw the football 10 times "BETTER" than the Ohio teams.

Again buddy.. " you dont know what you dont know."

PS. have you seen a game of SLC, Lufkin, Tyler Lee, Longview ??? An entire game from start to finish ??

[Texasfrog]

If Im not mistaken, this was NOT posted by a Texan, but by another stat fanatic from California.


Ya, I know the fanatic from California you're talking about. He thinks the only team that really plays football in America is DLS. His even said that the Texas elite teams dont play defense. He hangs out on another football web-site.

He and Concha do everything in their power to make claims the Texas football is over-rated and really no good and ect. That Texas dont play defense. They've even said that Texas has "alot of very strong average teams but dont really have so called elite national teams."

Than I see this dude Concha on this web-site and his starting his same agenda. SLC doesnt that, SLC doesnt this, SLC got scored on , Blah blah blah..

I really cant wait until the Tyler Lee game !!!!! :D

[concha]

You did'nt answer his question concha...

Nor has he bothered to back up his many erroneous accusations. Him first.

[concha]

I just went back and check out the first half of the 2003 Elder vs Lakewood Ohio State title game there killer. Here is your halftime scouting report..

Play selection:

Elder: 25 rushes & 2 passes -- balanced ????????
Lakewood: 15 rushes & 6 passes -- balanced ???????

Halftime stats:

Elder: 85 yds rushing & 21 yds passing-- balanced ???
Lakewood: 63 yds rushing & 34 yds passing-- balanced ???

Elder ran the :Pro-I formation 21 times
: Spread formation 6 times (ran out of it)
Two different formations for Elder..

*Lakewood runs a spread formation that they run out of 75% of the time.

If you want to I'll go watch the second half for you. I know its more of the same. Run, Run, run, run, Run, PASS, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run..

So spare me that I'm making stuff up. I've got about 5 Ohio games on DVD with three of them being Ohio State Title games. I've seen them !!!!!

Point being.. if you think Elder , Lakewood, Colerain or Mckinley are as balanced as the Texas power elite teams your crazy. I can promise you handsdown that the Texas teams throw the football 10 times "BETTER" than the Ohio teams.

Again buddy.. " you dont know what you dont know."

PS. have you seen a game of SLC, Lufkin, Tyler Lee, Longview ??? An entire game from start to finish ??

You are a joke,

I post the stats for three of Ohio's best teams from around my area for an ENTIRE SEASON, and your response is your take of the stats from ONE GAME? :rolleyes:

Pathetic.

[concha]

He and Concha do everything in their power to make claims the Texas football is over-rated and really no good and ect. [Prove it. You run your mouth with false accusations but don't have the stones to back it up. The fact is that I have said virtually the opposite. You are a liar.] That Texas dont play defense. They've even said that Texas has "alot of very strong average teams but dont really have so called elite national teams." [I said this?????? Or someone else? Get it straight, or you are a liar (again).]

Than I see this dude Concha on this web-site and his starting his same agenda. SLC doesnt that, SLC doesnt this, SLC got scored on , Blah blah blah.. [Just about anything I have said about SLC shortcomings has been in relation to their '04 team versus Colerain '04. Bur context matters little to you, just the potential to exaggerate or lie about something I've supposedly said.]

I really cant wait until the Tyler Lee game !!!!! :D

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[pack0808]

RedRaider, I would really like for my Panthers to be #1. In reality there will be lots talent on the offensive side of the ball that does not have varsity experience begining the season. Ask me about mid-season if I think they are #1 material.



i agree with that statement.

[Favpack]

PA 0808 - you ought to know me well enough now to know I stay pretty balanced. I think Lufkin got a fair ranking - and I think Longview should be No. 1 simply because they have the absolute best rb in State returning - no debate there - plus the qb and fb are also returning - and we know their D will be solid.

The only fault one can give me is I think the studs from ET are superior to other areas of the State - at all levels - but certainly so at the 5A level.

Just call me the Fox News Lufkin fan - fair and balanced. I call it like I see it - but my glasses certainly have a pretty strong purple tint as well ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

fav, there is some debate about the best rb in my mind. moody is very good as is the irving kid.you would be hard pressed to say that one is definitely the best, and i wouldn't mind having any of them to build an offense around.

[NewSherriffInTown]

The kid from Irving is pretty small for a guy who just ran close to a 4.7 at Waco.


Everyone's times seemed a bit slow, but I think he ran a 4.68




Concha...


the reason nobody is taking u seriously about the passing thing is that Texasfrog watched a tape and recorded something, you seem to be guessing about percentages.

[concha]

Concha...

the reason nobody is taking u seriously about the passing thing is that Texasfrog watched a tape and recorded something, you seem to be guessing about percentages.

Cincy Top Program Stats '04 (http://stats.sportshuddle.com/FanPages/Sports/Football/Common/Team.asp?TeamID={4763A079-88FE-4777-9B94-341B03E8483F}&setTeamType=3&setAffiliate=Cinc&setSeason={B0104FA9-BD6B-4CB5-BAC6-5E85EE243B29})

Fine. Elder was down last year but they, St. Xavier and Moeller are 3 of the top 4 programs in Region 4 in Ohio, where Colerain plays. You can click on the school names and check the statistics under "Team Season Stats". The math is easy. As I said 1/3 to 1/2 of plays are passes (32% to just over 50% to be exact) and 42% to 62% of total yardage.

The game Froggy refers to was dominated by the Elder running game. They had a bruiser named Bradley Glathaar who ran for record yardage in a title game. When the other guy is being run over by your rushing game - why pass? Only three things can happen when you pass and two are bad, right?

[Favpack]

fav, there is some debate about the best rb in my mind. moody is very good as is the irving kid.you would be hard pressed to say that one is definitely the best, and i wouldn't mind having any of them to build an offense around.

DD - sure I'll buy the debate on best rb. Remember McGee has already committed to Mack & Co. - and that's after only starting as a junior. I have not had the opportunity to watch Moody or the Irving High RB - I'm sure they're awesome.

McGee is the best of his TYPE I've seen (elusive, fast) since Terrell Brown with NMesquite in '02. McGee averaged almost 10 yards a carry last year - and he's the only back I've ever seen to break a long one against Lufkin db's and not only not get caught from behind but actually be pulling away at the goal line.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

DD - sure I'll buy the debate on best rb. Remember McGee has already committed to Mack & Co. - and that's after only starting as a junior. I have not had the opportunity to watch Moody or the Irving High RB - I'm sure they're awesome.

McGee is the best of his TYPE I've seen (elusive, fast) since Terrell Brown with NMesquite in '02. McGee averaged almost 10 yards a carry last year - and he's the only back I've ever seen to break a long one against Lufkin db's and not only not get caught from behind but actually be pulling away at the goal line.
I wish Jamaal would've had the chance against LP.

[PACK '97]

Would have been a good one!!!

Where is Jamaal going to college, Scooter?

[wide-e-wide]

Hahahahaha...where is he going?
hahahahaha....I'll let you answer that one Scooter.

[Shoot2thrill]

Well... I started this thread with a statement and I guess I will make the final post for this thread. I was WRONG! I really thought that Lufkin would be pre-season #1 on this site. But hey, we'll see how the season plays out and hopefully the cream will rise to the top like it usually does. Like many posters have said, the top teams are separated by very little. :cool:

[wide-e-wide]

You were not alone in that assumption...I had a feeling they
would be #1 as well...so much for that theory.

[VB Pack Fan]

Well guys you got to go with SLC at the top slot for now. Their qb is new just as ours here in Lufkin. But both has some good recievers coming back. But the hitting will make or break the young players, and you know Lufkin is going to bring the leather when it comes to defense. :D

[wide-e-wide]

VB as in Va. Beach?

[sweetpea]

Talk to Outlaw , Tuesday when I went by to look at the field. He was there looking and greeting people that came by. He stated that the offense will be fine, it just didn't look great because of the defense. He said that this years defense is 2 times a far along than last year's at this time. that along makes a big diffence. the qb and the wr.'s are comming out daily working with each other, he hopes that no one get hurt because of no coach watching over them. He hope that some of the sideliners can come out and make sure no one get hurt.

As far as the tuff, they are putting in the drains, and if the weather does well it will be completed way ahead of time.

By the way, Lp fans he stated to go ahead and talk that noise. Alot of people is going to be surpise of how good this team and next year team is going to be. Hint( better than 2001 team). :D

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Hahahahaha...where is he going?
hahahahaha....I'll let you answer that one Scooter.The great University of Texas!!!!! :D

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Talk to Outlaw , Tuesday when I went by to look at the field. He was there looking and greeting people that came by. He stated that the offense will be fine, it just didn't look great because of the defense. He said that this years defense is 2 times a far along than last year's at this time. that along makes a big diffence. the qb and the wr.'s are comming out daily working with each other, he hopes that no one get hurt because of no coach watching over them. He hope that some of the sideliners can come out and make sure no one get hurt.

As far as the tuff, they are putting in the drains, and if the weather does well it will be completed way ahead of time.

By the way, Lp fans he stated to go ahead and talk that noise. Alot of people is going to be surpise of how good this team and next year team is going to be. Hint( better than 2001 team). :DI hope in a way that their not like the 2001 team because they had ALOT of close calls that dam (excuse me KT) near caused me a heart attack.-------



2001-----Cardiac Pack, fits perfectly. ;)

[DrEdward]

Well... I started this thread with a statement and I guess I will make the final post for this thread. I was WRONG! I really thought that Lufkin would be pre-season #1 on this site. But hey, we'll see how the season plays out and hopefully the cream will rise to the top like it usually does. Like many posters have said, the top teams are separated by very little. :cool:


As a longtime Carroll fan, I am proud to see them ranked #1 in the preseason poll here. However, Luna's graduation leaves a big hole to fill. We will all simply have to wait to see what happens, but Lufkin, SV and a few others could easily end up as champions this year as well. Lerss than three months to go before the fun begins again!

[Favpack]

Talk to Outlaw , Tuesday when I went by to look at the field. He was there looking and greeting people that came by. He stated that the offense will be fine, it just didn't look great because of the defense. He said that this years defense is 2 times a far along than last year's at this time. that along makes a big diffence. the qb and the wr.'s are comming out daily working with each other, he hopes that no one get hurt because of no coach watching over them. He hope that some of the sideliners can come out and make sure no one get hurt.

As far as the tuff, they are putting in the drains, and if the weather does well it will be completed way ahead of time.

By the way, Lp fans he stated to go ahead and talk that noise. Alot of people is going to be surpise of how good this team and next year team is going to be. Hint( better than 2001 team). :D

Good to see you on the new site SweetPea - I need to mosey back over and check out the field. The great thing around here (NO! - we still ain't country :) ) is there is no tellin' where you bump into Coach O and he's always open to chat a bit. I'm sure he's licking his chops over his D. I'll reserve my comments on this D being as good as '01 and '03 until late September.