Lufkin Fans Implode!

[PACK]

Wow, lose 2 games and the town comes unglued and starts calling for heads to roll. It got so bad their own message board was yanked because the coach doesn't care for public opinion. Public opinion is a terrible thing I guess. Of course there is not a coach alive that would give in to public opinion!
IMO, you learn to be a humble winner and you lose with dignity. It may be an off year with a lot of soph and Jrs starting, but Momma said there would be days like this.
Probably won't get much better with North Shore on the slate for this coming Friday night!

Go LP

[twcpfan1]

Wow, lose 2 games and the town comes unglued and starts calling for heads to roll. It got so bad their own message board was yanked because the coach doesn't care for public opinion. Public opinion is a terrible thing I guess. Of course there is not a coach alive that would give in to public opinion!
IMO, you learn to be a humble winner and you lose with dignity. It may be an off year with a lot of soph and Jrs starting, but Momma said there would be days like this.
Probably won't get much better with North Shore on the slate for this coming Friday night!

Go LP

Are you talking about the one moderated by PackAttack? That got yanked?

[pack68]

yes. According to the site the only info can come from Lufkin Sports. And the information can only be posted by PackAttack site is marked Read Only

[PantherStang84]

Wow, lose 2 games and the town comes unglued and starts calling for heads to roll. It got so bad their own message board was yanked because the coach doesn't care for public opinion. Public opinion is a terrible thing I guess. Of course there is not a coach alive that would give in to public opinion!
IMO, you learn to be a humble winner and you lose with dignity. It may be an off year with a lot of soph and Jrs starting, but Momma said there would be days like this.
Probably won't get much better with North Shore on the slate for this coming Friday night!

Go LP


Like I pointed out to a good friend of mine, the reason folks are in an uproar is that the kids deserve better from their coaches. If they need to bench a kid or two to get results, then they need to grow some juevos and do it.

Anyone with eyesight better than say about 20/100 can see where the problems are on offense. It's not fair to the defensive players and other players who show up and practice 110% to do nothing.

[PantherStang84]

yes. According to the site the only info can come from Lufkin Sports. And the information can only be posted by PackAttack site is marked Read Only

They might as well save the hosting fees and pull the plug on it. If folks can't participate, then it will die anyway.

[LPack007]

Wow, lose 2 games and the town comes unglued and starts calling for heads to roll. It got so bad their own message board was yanked because the coach doesn't care for public opinion. Public opinion is a terrible thing I guess. Of course there is not a coach alive that would give in to public opinion!
IMO, you learn to be a humble winner and you lose with dignity. It may be an off year with a lot of soph and Jrs starting, but Momma said there would be days like this.
Probably won't get much better with North Shore on the slate for this coming Friday night!

Go LP
Let's be real the stuff Wide did on Saturday didn't help either....:rolleyes:

[PantherStang84]

Let's be real the stuff Wide did on Saturday didn't help either....:rolleyes:

Yup. But geez it was hilarious.

[Favpack]

Are you talking about the one moderated by PackAttack? That got yanked?

I posted reasons for under the thread Bad Monday in Lufkin. The site is owned by a group under the auspices of the Lufkin Athletic Dept. Probably in hindsight not a great thing to do - but it was and is an excellent site. Forum participation will not be allowed for awhile.

[LPack007]

Yup. But geez it was hilarious.

Yea it was;), but alot of stuff shouldn't of been said..

[Favpack]

Yea it was;), but alot of stuff shouldn't of been said..

Wide apologized for it. He misunderstood a series of PM's - and he had also drank about 19 Bud's.

[PantherStang84]

Yea it was;), but alot of stuff shouldn't of been said..

Hey at least Wide understands his calling. He is the quintessential message board bad guy. His delivery is often over the top and out of line. However, he does make excellent points.

[pack98]

wide is sorry. got the Pm.. Well what is this teaching the folks??? people cant take the heat so they leave the kitchen wow what will some of these fans do if they lived in the big city or Philly they would be scared to walk down the street i guess. No coach should be reading the board anyway they need to be at practice trying to figure out what to do with the O. this is a sign that they know it is a problem and the Pack and Outlaw or who ever cant handle the heat and what they dont understand with out fans paying the bills to keep the lights on and other bills then there will be no team so it goes full circle.

TO me this proves that the coaches know this is a problem and they want to shut everyone up or try all someone has to do is start another site not affiliated with the program so here or there.

Bottom line if the coaches cant handle when people are calling out the bad Play calling on the O side then they better fine another job because last time i checked coaches are in the business of winning at any level it is not fun it is all about results. you are only as good as your last game. that is coaching and everyone knows that high school football in texas is big time and it is win or find another job......

I bet they would not shut it down if everyone was praising the team. it has to go both ways.

[Pinion]

Like I pointed out to a good friend of mine, the reason folks are in an uproar is that the kids deserve better from their coaches. If they need to bench a kid or two to get results, then they need to grow some juevos and do it.

Anyone with eyesight better than say about 20/100 can see where the problems are on offense. It's not fair to the defensive players and other players who show up and practice 110% to do nothing.

The bolded text. Juevos. Uh, that's eggs isnt it? I dont know Spanish so I could be wrong. I thought cajones were the items. uh. gimme a sec. trying to keep this at least pg-13. I thought those were the items that seperate us men from the boys.

Again, I could be wrong because I dont speak the language and spicy Latina is in school tonite so I can call her and ask.

[PantherStang84]

I knew what I was posting.

[pack68]

Pack98-a well written post, you are correct on all points. By doing this they have only brought more attention to the problems.

[PantherStang84]

wide is sorry. got the Pm.. Well what is this teaching the folks??? people cant take the heat so they leave the kitchen wow what will some of these fans do if they lived in the big city or Philly they would be scared to walk down the street i guess. No coach should be reading the board anyway they need to be at practice trying to figure out what to do with the O. this is a sign that they know it is a problem and the Pack and Outlaw or who ever cant handle the heat and what they dont understand with out fans paying the bills to keep the lights on and other bills then there will be no team so it goes full circle.

TO me this proves that the coaches know this is a problem and they want to shut everyone up or try all someone has to do is start another site not affiliated with the program so here or there.

Bottom line if the coaches cant handle when people are calling out the bad Play calling on the O side then they better fine another job because last time i checked coaches are in the business of winning at any level it is not fun it is all about results. you are only as good as your last game. that is coaching and everyone knows that high school football in texas is big time and it is win or find another job......

I bet they would not shut it down if everyone was praising the team. it has to go both ways.

Hey. I agree. The site was great as long as folks were showering the coaching staff with praise.

As soon as things started getting rough. Well. We can't have anyone questioning the coaching staff now can we?

Let us just say that if Outlaw was to make a sudden right turn, a lot of necks would get broken in a certain organization.

[whyzat]

Pack98-a well written post, you are correct on all points. By doing this they have only brought more attention to the problems.

Most problems require attention in order to be solved. It may be time to finally shine some light behind the Pine Curtain instead of obsessively trying to stifle public opinion. That was a high quality site. I can't believe it has to kowtow to the AD or school district. You guys really should get together and set up an independent forum.

[Texasfrog]

Let's be real the stuff Wide did on Saturday didn't help either....:rolleyes:

"Ha-Ha," what did Wide do ?

[PantherStang84]

"Ha-Ha," what did Wide do ?

Let's just say Wide + 1 case Budweiser = _____

He went off against the coaches, the janitor, grounds keeper....

J/K

He went off. It made for a very entertaining evening. He apologized to some of us because he did go over line on a few things. It appears he was provoked, but he went off nonetheless.

[PackAttack2005]

The site www.lufkinpanthersports.com is still up and the message board is read only for now, but only until we find a way to monitor the content better. We were aked by John himself to strictly monitor all content the rest of the season, he wanted no criticism of any player or coaches. The Sideliners later decided to make the message board read only for an unspecified time, a cool down period so to speak.

Our message board rules have always mandated this policy, but several continued to cross the line despite those request. Our fault was we were not able to monitor the site 24/7 and things were posted and read before we could delete.


I thought I would give an explaination and that's all I have to say. This is not fair to the 98% of the members that did the right thing all the time. These are high school kids, some people take this stuff way too serious. It's ridiculous.

[pack98]

Yep,

but my butt will be on my coach friday and have the computer fired up and ready for the game.

Here are some keys to the game from my viewpoint

1. Smart Play calling-playing a team that has not played in a month run them crazy try to get them tired
2. D- limit the yardage on 1st down keep NS on 2 and 3rd and long make a running team beat you in the air.

GO Pack

[PantherStang84]

Most problems require attention in order to be solved. It may be time to finally shine some light behind the Pine Curtain instead of obsessively trying to stifle public opinion. That was a high quality site. I can't believe it has to kowtow to the AD or school district. You guys really should get together and set up an independent forum.

I have been thinking about doing that very thing.

[LPack007]

The site www.lufkinpanthersports.com is still up and the message board is read only for now, but only until we find a way to monitor the content better. We were aked by John himself to strictly monitor all content the rest of the season, he wanted no criticism of any player or coaches. The Sideliners later decided to make the message board read only for an unspecified time, a cool down period so to speak.

Our message board rules have always mandated this policy, but several continued to cross the line despite those request. Our fault was we were not able to monitor the site 24/7 and things were posted and read before we could delete.


I thought I would give an explaination and that's all I have to say. This is not fair to the 98% of the members that did the right thing all the time. These are high school kids, some people take this stuff way too serious. It's ridiculous.

Aye PA, Happy B-day and i'm sorry it ended up that way.

[pack98]

The site www.lufkinpanthersports.com is still up and the message board is read only for now, but only until we find a way to monitor the content better. We were aked by John himself to strictly monitor all content the rest of the season, he wanted no criticism of any player or coaches. The Sideliners later decided to make the message board read only for an unspecified time, a cool down period so to speak.

Our message board rules have always mandated this policy, but several continued to cross the line despite those request. Our fault was we were not able to monitor the site 24/7 and things were posted and read before we could delete.


I thought I would give an explaination and that's all I have to say. This is not fair to the 98% of the members that did the right thing all the time. These are high school kids, some people take this stuff way too serious. It's ridiculous.

What did mike Gundy say again??? OH I AM A MAN I CAN TAKE IT. I am 40. so you mean to tell me the coaches cant take it? You got to be kidding me they are getting paid and paid well and lets face it like i said before this is high school but at the same time you dont spend so much money on a team and program and not expect some grumblings that is life and you have to win. However i do agree with the negative talk about the young men that is not called for but hey lets face it everyone knows that the O cordinator is calling bad games maybe he is playing madden 09. or needs to ask corso about plays on college football 09 madden may be to advanced about some play calling take your pick. I am finished with all i have to say.


GO PACK.

[PantherStang84]

Yep,

but my butt will be on my coach friday and have the computer fired up and ready for the game.

Here are some keys to the game from my viewpoint

1. Smart Play calling-playing a team that has not played in a month run them crazy try to get them tired
2. D- limit the yardage on 1st down keep NS on 2 and 3rd and long make a running team beat you in the air.

GO Pack


#2 is a definite possibility until the D gets gassed from being on the field too much.

As for #1...

I have been told by a Santa Ria priest that he might be able to help if we can provide 5 live roosters.

[pack68]

Seems like we have some coaches that are thin skinned!

[PackAttack2005]

The site hasn't ended. It is all still there. The Lufkin Sideliner Boosters are tied to the Lufkin Athletic Department, thus the attachment.

The message board will be back after a cooling down period.

[Bootsdaddy]

Wide apologized for it. He misunderstood a series of PM's - and he had also drank about 19 Bud's.

I dont dislike Wide-think he's funny and knowledgeable but there was a definite pattern of this. How many times has thia happened before where he crossed the line? Probably 10-12 times in the past where entire threads were deleted because of obscenity and other problems.

[Lp78]

there was a definite pattern of this. How many times has thia happened before where he crossed the line? Probably 10-12 times in the past where entire threads were deleted because of obscenity and other problems.

Agree Bootsdaddy, he has no respect for rules or other board members. His attacks on BN's wife were way over the line. Drunk or not he's one arrogant know it all son of gun & his persona gets old.

[PACK]

Wides knew exactly what he was doing. His MO is that this happens when PA is at the games on long trips. He has a hayday becasue he knows nothing can be done until PA gets back and deletes it. Frankly, he should have been booted a long time ago regardless of his so called knowledge. I could care less if he is the MuShu of football, if he can't act like an adult and keep his rants to a civil state, then give him the boot.

As for the O Coordinator, I don't put this on him. If the O on the field can't execute the basic package, why keep throwing more plays at them. The best drawn up plays in the world don't do a thing on paper if you can't execute them.
O line has to block better.
Receivers have to run precission patterns.
QB has to make better timely decissions. He's the leader on the field and has to make his team want to follow.
That's just basic football when you're trying to move the rock.
The D is solid but they can't spend all night on the field. Three downs and back out on the field is a lot to ask.
It's HS football for sure and these are just kids we know, but like someone said, if they are going to be treated like local hero's when they win, then they should learn to handle the critics as well.

[caesarscott]

you have real problems if you coach is more concerned about a message board than about preparing his team for Friday nights.

that being said, public criticism of amateur athletes is, at best, probably out of line. these kids aren't being paid and they are going to screw up at some point or another. if you dont have something good to say about a player, its best not to say anything.

coaches, on the other hand, are completely different. they're getting paid to win games. that's it.

[Bootsdaddy]

you have real problems if you coach is more concerned about a message board than about preparing his team for Friday nights.

that being said, public criticism of amateur athletes is, at best, probably out of line. these kids aren't being paid and they are going to screw up at some point or another. if you dont have something good to say about a player, its best not to say anything.

coaches, on the other hand, are completely different. they're getting paid to win games. that's it.

Caesar, we remember your board and the comments made about the Lufkin program and players before the Lufkin-Pflugerville game in 2004. You have no room to speak.

[caesarscott]

Caesar, we remember your board and the comments made about the Lufkin program and players before the Lufkin-Pflugerville game in 2004. You have no room to speak.whatever. at least our fans support their team: win lose or draw.

[CKE]

Only wide could cause a whole message board to shut down lol...I do think it is down right crazy that Outlaw called and said to shut it down he has way more important things to worry about right now other than trying to get fans to play patty cake with each other and not speak there mind.like a poster said before y'all should start a independent board so this kind of stuff doesn't happen

[farmerfan]

So I assume the post have alreayd been deleted that were of controversy?

Somebody PM what was said.

I too find it odd that a coach would publicly criticize whats said on a message board. I mean John Outlaw is the one that calls it like it is and will publicly admit if they're playing a team who sucks, he will say they suck.

[Bootsdaddy]

Just for the record Wide never criticized the kids. He did criticize the coaching staff and got in an argument with a Lufkin broadcaster, Gary Ivins aka Big Nasty.

[saMavsFan]

The bolded text. Juevos. Uh, that's eggs isnt it? I dont know Spanish so I could be wrong. I thought cajones were the items. uh. gimme a sec. trying to keep this at least pg-13. I thought those were the items that seperate us men from the boys.

Again, I could be wrong because I dont speak the language and spicy Latina is in school tonite so I can call her and ask.

:laugh:laugh:laugh Never heard them called "the items" but I'm using that from now on!

[farmerfan]

Just for the record Wide never criticized the kids. He did criticize the coaching staff and got in an argument with a Lufkin broadcaster, Gary Ivins aka Big Nasty.

Thanks.
Poor broadcaster. Wish I could have read it.

[CKE]

Just for the record Wide never criticized the kids. He did criticize the coaching staff and got in an argument with a Lufkin broadcaster, Gary Ivins aka Big Nasty.

I would have loved to see that

[TexasTea]

Lol that melt down was a great read.

[LPack007]

Just for the record Wide never criticized the kids. He did criticize the coaching staff and got in an argument with a Lufkin broadcaster, Gary Ivins aka Big Nasty.

He did call one of the kids a elephant in the room...plenty of times, but I guess other than that I would agree..:rolleyes:

[CKE]

If you people can't see what the real problem is here... I can't help you. You are obviously from the Ray Charles School of Football Analysis.

LOL classic wide post

[farmerfan]

LOL classic wide post

Ok,
Is that from this site or from the Lufkin site?
Are the questionable threads deleted?

Wide's wit has not rival:notworthy

[LPack007]

Ok,
Is that from this site or from the Lufkin site?
Are the questionable threads deleted?

Wide's wit has not rival:notworthy

Thats from the Lp site, Packattack deleted most of them.

[CKE]

Ok,
Is that from this site or from the Lufkin site?
Are the questionable threads deleted?

Wide's wit has not rival:notworthy

Its from the Lufkin site http://lufkinpanthersports.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=2996&st=40

[PackAttack2005]

Of course they are deleted. That was the whole point of the problem that occured. We deleted many things said about players and coaches, probably before most saw them. However, some were evidently seen by some coaches or players before they were deleted, thus the quandry we are presently trying to fix.

Wide has been banned from the 5A board on more than one occasion.

[svhorns]

wow dissapointed in the Lufkin Booster/Coaches... worry about winning the game not a message board... no wonder ya'll are tanking... no disrespect to ya'll fans but just dissapointed with the handling of the situation... its almost laughable

[Pinion]

:laugh:laugh:laugh Never heard them called "the items" but I'm using that from now on!

:D Well, just dont forget where you heard it. :D

A follow up, I asked my spicy Latina when she got out of school and she said that either would work for what was being said. So it's all good and I learned some Spanish tonite. If this keeps up, I'll be able to say a whole sentence in Spanish by the end of October.

[PantherStang84]

He did call one of the kids a elephant in the room...plenty of times, but I guess other than that I would agree..:rolleyes:

For the record...He was not calling anyone an elephant. His elephant in the room comment was referencing the fact that after the spring game last year, many people believe the best QB on the team rides the bench. Now that is his opinion and many people share that opinion and is partly the reason for so much controversy surrounding the offense this year.:rolleyes:

[whyzat]

"The new secret to the message board, all comments will be positive material and support for the Panthers. Not any criticism of players or coaches, NONE. Any and all that appear will be deleted immediately. Anyone not abiding by those rules will be suspended without notice, no second chances.That is the way it must be or we will have nothing at all, the whole site will go away. I don't intend for that to happen."

The administrator posted these new rules of the road last night on the LPS site. There is little doubt these measures are being forced upon him at gunpoint by the school district. Truly incredible in this day and age. So much for the free flow and exchange of opinion and information. These policies would warm the heart of any dedicated Marxist. Speak only what we wish to hear or approve of. Otherwise, remain silent. It will be interesting to see if the Pack fans take this laying down.


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[Favpack]

Wides knew exactly what he was doing. His MO is that this happens when PA is at the games on long trips. He has a hayday becasue he knows nothing can be done until PA gets back and deletes it. Frankly, he should have been booted a long time ago regardless of his so called knowledge. I could care less if he is the MuShu of football, if he can't act like an adult and keep his rants to a civil state, then give him the boot.

As for the O Coordinator, I don't put this on him. If the O on the field can't execute the basic package, why keep throwing more plays at them. The best drawn up plays in the world don't do a thing on paper if you can't execute them.
O line has to block better.
Receivers have to run precission patterns.
QB has to make better timely decissions. He's the leader on the field and has to make his team want to follow.
That's just basic football when you're trying to move the rock.
The D is solid but they can't spend all night on the field. Three downs and back out on the field is a lot to ask.
It's HS football for sure and these are just kids we know, but like someone said, if they are going to be treated like local hero's when they win, then they should learn to handle the critics as well.

Excellent points - except I would put some blame on the OC. Double reverse on 1st and 10 from the opponents' 25 in OT? Constant and irrational use of screen passes? I think he had something - not all - but something to do with the poor timing and rhythm.

But, the board had gone too far. Plain and simple. The site is tied to LISD and in the very least you can't have thread after thread with f-bombs in it wihen 12 year olds are reading it. That's basic logic.

[KT2000]

I believe all views should be welcome on a message board, but there are also lines that can't and shouldn't be crossed.

The Interweb offers the protection of anonymity, so certain people will say things they'd never say in person. That's the root of the challenge for anyone who actually moderates a message board. Obviously, you can't hold everyone's hand and tell them what to post. And if you need to, that person probably shouldn't be posting.

I think there is a way to be critical without crossing the proverbial line, but that requires a more objective line of thought from the poster. In situations like what Lufkin experienced last weekend, you have a bunch of people posting in the heat of the moment. Again, the anonymity allows people to wear their hearts on their shoulders without fear of real reprocussions aside from a ban.

For me, most of it comes down to individual self control and good old-fashioned common sense.

There's the saying that you can "shear a sheep many times, but skin it only once." I think those who understand the meaning behind that will be very good message board contributors and those who don't probably won't last very long.

I disagree with the district or high school interfering with the message board. I think they should trust PackAttack's ability to run his web site. If someone did that to me, I would probably sever any official ties with the school and start an "unofficial" board.

[slorch]

Haven't we talked about Outlaw being one of the top coaches in Texas? I know it for a fact, that we have. Now he's dogmeat?

I don't have a problem with them protecting the kids. The board is funded by supporters of the Lufkin Football program, so I don't have any issue with them controlling the content. There is no right to "free flow of ideas or commentary" on a private board. One must sign in to post I am assuming. That makes you a guest.

The kids and coaches in a small town, but big time program are subject to feelings and emotions that few people on here truly understand. I applaud Outlaw( or his supporters) for taking away a distraction from his kids and coaches so they can work to address their opportunities. People want to act as if it is the same as UT or USC as far as contextually speaking about the program. They are still just kids. Griping about a problem on a messag board instead of addressing it at the Booster club meeting in public is chicken sh@t IMO.

Some people on here asking if the coaches and kids "can take the heat."
when they have no idea what "the heat" is really like.

[Favpack]

1) The elephant in the room was code for the team is not very good this year, but nobody wants to admit it.

2) Calling any 17 year old kid out is not cool, however, even our very own school-approved announcers were saying the team played poorly Saturday - during and after the game. So, it is a fine line to give constructive criticism or to simply voice an opinion about expectations - or to cross the line being a jerk fan.

3) The comment about some wanting the best of both worlds is valid. Lufkin players go to the mall for some event and there are hundreds there to greet them. Coach Outlaw makes nice spare change doing TV ads.

It's not because our uni's are pretty, it's because we win. I personally don't buy the argument that we aren't good enough to win anymore. I think it's a poor excuse. We should expect more because it's there. But, you don't call one individual kid out and destroy a kid's joy or confidence.

4) I put Lufkin fans up with anyone. We don't expect a 16-0 season, we expect boys to grow up into young men, make good grades, be disciplined and respectful, and to fully utilize their skills as best possible. We expect our coaches to be among the state's best - and they are paid accordingly.

Even in a round 1 road PO trip - we typically bring 3-5,000 to support ALL participants - from players to trainers to band and cheerleaders. We have the most funded HS alumni association in the U.S. Yes, you read that correctly.

But, we expect a heck of a lot more than what we got last Saturday.

[Favpack]

I believe all views should be welcome on a message board, but there are also lines that can't and shouldn't be crossed.

The Interweb offers the protection of anonymity, so certain people will say things they'd never say in person. That's the root of the challenge for anyone who actually moderates a message board. Obviously, you can't hold everyone's hand and tell them what to post. And if you need to, that person probably shouldn't be posting.

I think there is a way to be critical without crossing the proverbial line, but that requires a more objective line of thought from the poster. In situations like what Lufkin experienced last weekend, you have a bunch of people posting in the heat of the moment. Again, the anonymity allows people to wear their hearts on their shoulders without fear of real reprocussions aside from a ban.

For me, most of it comes down to individual self control and good old-fashioned common sense.

There's the saying that you can "shear a sheep many times, but skin it only once." I think those who understand the meaning behind that will be very good message board contributors and those who don't probably won't last very long.

I disagree with the district or high school interfering with the message board. I think they should trust PackAttack's ability to run his web site. If someone did that to me, I would probably sever any official ties with the school and start an "unofficial" board.

Excellent points. On the last issue - I'm guessing PA had no idea the board would grow to what it has when they started it.

Let's remember this is a premiere site - Sports Illustrated highlighted the quality of the site two years ago. The fact that it is funded by the Lufkin Sideliners - a non-profit group that is loosely under the umbrella of the Lufkin Athletic Dept. - does present a dilemma to the events of a (so far) sub-part season and fans wanting to voice opinions on a message board (imagine that).

But, it was apparently brought up during the Sideliners weekly meeting Monday at 5 pm - and the board was so abused over the weekend - the decision was probably justified at that time.

The other issue is that PA goes to every single game - and, yes, sadly, it would get it's worst when he was in transit back from an out of town game that was lost.

You may indeed see an un-official board soon, but we all know those are harder to set up and run than they appear. I hope this blows over and the site resumes as originally intended, but with some leniency for comments not straight out of the PR department.

[HUM398]

Wide pissed off the coaches...hahahahaha

[c-lisle]

very sad....and to think these are adults. Seems personal attacks arent as frowned upon on this board as they once were either....or at least claimed to be.

[PantherStang84]

Haven't we talked about Outlaw being one of the top coaches in Texas? I know it for a fact, that we have. Now he's dogmeat?

I don't have a problem with them protecting the kids. The board is funded by supporters of the Lufkin Football program, so I don't have any issue with them controlling the content. There is no right to "free flow of ideas or commentary" on a private board. One must sign in to post I am assuming. That makes you a guest.

The kids and coaches in a small town, but big time program are subject to feelings and emotions that few people on here truly understand. I applaud Outlaw( or his supporters) for taking away a distraction from his kids and coaches so they can work to address their opportunities. People want to act as if it is the same as UT or USC as far as contextually speaking about the program. They are still just kids. Griping about a problem on a messag board instead of addressing it at the Booster club meeting in public is chicken sh@t IMO.

Some people on here asking if the coaches and kids "can take the heat."
when they have no idea what "the heat" is really like.

Good point if it held water. I've been to Sideliners meetings and I have seen the sausage making machine. You do not in way shape matter or form say anything to Outlaw in those meetings unless you are planting a big fat wet one on his back side.

Remember the 11th commandment in Lufkin....

Thou shalt not speak ill of Outlaw and his staff.

[slorch]

Good point if it held water. I've been to Sideliners meetings and I have seen the sausage making machine. You do not in way shape matter or form say anything to Outlaw in those meetings unless you are planting a big fat wet one on his back side.

Remember the 11th commandment in Lufkin....

probably, so but I still give little creedance to a message board rant against someone that puts it on the line in public every day.

I doubt the board was limited for any other reason that the fact that kids are involved.

If folks are so unhappy about LP's progress, ask your former brethren in Tyler and Longview how easy things have been since the "glory days" just 6 or 7 years ago. Lp has been around the whole time as a serious playoff threat, the others cannot say that.

Read my signature for my true feelings about the situation- I think the team( and the coaches) will answer the bell.

[twcpfan1]

probably, so but I still give little creedance to a message board rant against someone that puts it on the line in public every day.

I doubt the board was limited for any other reason that the fact that kids are involved.

If folks are so unhappy about LP's progress, ask your former brethren in Tyler and Longview how easy things have been since the "glory days" just 6 or 7 years ago. Lp has been around the whole time as a serious playoff threat, the others cannot say that.

Read my signature for my true feelings about the situation- I think the team( and the coaches) will answer the bell.

Doesn't Tyler have the most recent state title out of East Texas?

[dada]

Was it just Wide? Or was it a group of posters? I don't think the Legend of Wide can grow anymore.

[Favpack]

Was it just Wide? Or was it a group of posters? I don't think the Legend of Wide can grow anymore.

LOL - I hear ya'.

Well, Wide's "put a blankin' for sale sign in the coach's front yard" probably went just a bit over the top, but there were other posters firing some heavy lobs also.

[PantherStang84]

probably, so but I still give little creedance to a message board rant against someone that puts it on the line in public every day.

I doubt the board was limited for any other reason that the fact that kids are involved.

If folks are so unhappy about LP's progress, ask your former brethren in Tyler and Longview how easy things have been since the "glory days" just 6 or 7 years ago. Lp has been around the whole time as a serious playoff threat, the others cannot say that.

Read my signature for my true feelings about the situation- I think the team( and the coaches) will answer the bell.

Here is the other side of the coin. My property taxes (that keep going up each year) have helped make Outlaw the 2nd highest paid HS football coach in the state of Texas (as of a couple of years ago. At the very least he is in the top ten). So forgive me if I get a little upset when I feel the coaches are just going through the motions. The kids deserve better from their coaches. If the Lufkin community wants to settle for mediocrity, then we can get it for a lot less money.

[slorch]

Here is the other side of the coin. My property taxes (that keep going up each year) have helped make Outlaw the 2nd highest paid HS football coach in the state of Texas (as of a couple of years ago. At the very least he is in the top ten). So forgive me if I get a little upset when I feel the coaches are just going through the motions. The kids deserve better from their coaches. If the Lufkin community wants to settle for mediocrity, then we can get it for a lot less money.

Wide lives in Woodway, no?

You are absolutely justified to expect excellence. I'm just questioning the methods( and credibility) of some of the folks voicing their concern in unconstructive ways.

[slorch]

Doesn't Tyler have the most recent state title out of East Texas?

they haven't had the teams LP has consistently had.

[sweetpea]

Excellent points. On the last issue - I'm guessing PA had no idea the board would grow to what it has when they started it.

Let's remember this is a premiere site - Sports Illustrated highlighted the quality of the site two years ago. The fact that it is funded by the Lufkin Sideliners - a non-profit group that is loosely under the umbrella of the Lufkin Athletic Dept. - does present a dilemma to the events of a (so far) sub-part season and fans wanting to voice opinions on a message board (imagine that).

But, it was apparently brought up during the Sideliners weekly meeting Monday at 5 pm - and the board was so abused over the weekend - the decision was probably justified at that time.

The other issue is that PA goes to every single game - and, yes, sadly, it would get it's worst when he was in transit back from an out of town game that was lost.

You may indeed see an un-official board soon, but we all know those are harder to set up and run than they appear. I hope this blows over and the site resumes as originally intended, but with some leniency for comments not straight out of the PR department.


When we first move with houston to form a district, i started a board and PA came up with taking it to the sideliners. I dis-ban mine. I always thought that we needed an un-offical board, but it still needs to be watched close.

As far as you Panther Fans, you have to think of the next step. If everyone can get together and digg out some change. I will give you my services of building a site with just a face board and forum. Remember, if you want one, we need more than one person running the board. As you know, un-watch board the kids will play.:eek:

[PACK]

Favpack, a play such as a double reverse is high risk when called at any time during a game. If it works you're a hero, if not then it's goat butchering time. The biggest problem with calling the play was that the O was hit and miss all during the 2nd half. Even if the play had gained only a yard or two nothing else would have been said. The fact that it was thrown for a sizable loss brought out the knives for the goat. Frankly I think the poor execution in the second half far outways one play in 3OT.

[pack0808]

Doesn't Tyler have the most recent state title out of East Texas?

Yes that is true but Lp beat them that year and had to play slc in the much more difficult div2 that year. ;) jkng! Nah Lufkin has by far been the most consistent and dominant 5a east texas team in the last 10 years overall and one of the best teams in 5a period in that same time span. Going through a few down year's for LP recent standards but that happens in any program.

On this thread. I think it is ridiculous some are bashing a guy and questioning a guy as a human being, a parent, and a husband when he cannot even defend himself on this board. Very cowardly IMO. Wide is a long time childhood friend of mine as many know. I also know Big Nasty (Gary Ivins) as well and played college ball with him. That is the guy he had the argument with. I talked to them both the night it happened on my cell. I was in bed and did not see what happened on the board but I heard about it. I did not even get up to read it as my whole family was already in bed. Just a sport's message board misunderstanding that went too far and got too personal. Not the end of the world my lord.


Let it be! I am just shocked kt would allow this type of thread to be on here considering the circumstances, and considering his usual stance on other thread's of this nature? :confused:

[KT2000]

Let it be! I am just shocked kt would allow this type of thread to be on here considering the circumstances, and considering his usual stance on other thread's of this nature? :confused:

All I've seen in this thread are posts about what wide put on the LP board. You are going to have to help me out because I don't see anything about wide's personal life.

[slorch]

He did call one of the kids a elephant in the room...plenty of times, but I guess other than that I would agree..:rolleyes:

elephant in the room doesn't mean literally the kid is an elephant.

It means there is something obvious that the coaches were missing.

[KT2000]

All I've seen in this thread are posts about what wide put on the LP board. You are going to have to help me out because I don't see anything about wide's personal life.

NM, found the post.

[slorch]

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anyone that knows Wide knows he loves his kids dearly. For his faults as a message board entertainer, he takes his responsibilities as a father very seriously.

Your statement is out of line, especially since Wide cannot address it with you.

[KT2000]

anyone that knows Wide knows he loves his kids dearly. For his faults as a message board entertainer, he takes his responsibilities as a father very seriously.

Your statement is out of line, especially since Wide cannot address it with you.

And that would be the post I found and removed. It was inappropriate.

[CKE]

Yes that is true but Lp beat them that year and had to play slc in the much more difficult div2 that year. ;) jkng! Nah Lufkin has by far been the most consistent and dominant 5a east texas team in the last 10 years overall and one of the best teams in 5a period in that same time span. Going through a few down year's for LP recent standards but that happens in any program.

On this thread. I think it is ridiculous some are bashing a guy and questioning a guy as a human being, a parent, and a husband when he cannot even defend himself on this board. Very cowardly IMO. Wide is a long time childhood friend of mine as many know. I also know Big Nasty (Gary Ivins) as well and played college ball with him. That is the guy he had the argument with. I talked to them both the night it happened on my cell. I was in bed and did not see what happened on the board but I heard about it. I did not even get up to read it as my whole family was already in bed. Just a sport's message board misunderstanding that went too far and got too personal. Not the end of the world my lord.


Let it be! I am just shocked kt would allow this type of thread to be on here considering the circumstances, and considering his usual stance on other thread's of this nature? :confused:

Your never going to win that argument with out a championship I have been trying to point out the exact same thing with SV vs. Judson and the SA area

[RedRage00]

Your never going to win that argument with out a championship I have been trying to point out the exact same thing with SV vs. Judson and the SA area

Lp won state in 2001 so they have one.

[LPNATION67]

All this stuff is ridiculous. if any of the lufkin fans would be honest. the things that lufkin are going though were bound to happen. we no longwer have the talent we used to have. yes the offensive pay calling is pitiful at best. lufkin doesnt have the skilled players to run the spread anymore like back in 2001 with mcneal. the panthers have to diversify that offensive attack. the o line cant block long enough to give claybon time to throw on a consistent basis. the offense cant move the ball effectively so it wears the defense down thus the longview outcome. im pretty sure those young mean are doing the best they can so i dont blame them. the coaches need to come together and quit worrying about a dang forum message board and fix these problems. its a shame that we have some spoiled fans here in lufkin not all but some
lets support these young men and hope hese coaches do what is needed to fix the problems

[PackAttack2005]

Wide was over the top, even demonstrative at times with his post. There were also many truths in what he would say. When he was not on a rant, he could actually be articulate and quite hillarious with his comments. It was how he did it that got him in trouble.

He and I have communicated and he understands why he was evicted from the LP site. No hard feeling from me. From what I have heard he is a great dad and runs a successful business, but you always knew where he stood on an issue. No grey area for Wide.

[CKE]

Lp won state in 2001 so they have one.

I am talking about since 2002 when SV has been in 5a

[DragonFan0316]

I am talking about since 2002 when SV has been in 5a


SLC has been the bain of Lufkins existence since 2002. That said, they were 1 play here, one call there from at least 3 championships. They have a good coach and are still dangerous. I believe they will reload.

[bullrock]

We can relate!!!! Go back and read some of the Judson threads. All I can say is get used to winning about 75% of your games and be happy about it. I don't know where all of the football players went all of a sudden?? For some reason we can't do what we used to do. You have a little different situation. At least we changed coaches and had someone to blame. That isn't true in Panther Nation. Be patient. It could just be the talent isn't as strong as you're used to or perhaps the other teams are above average.

[pack0808]

Your never going to win that argument with out a championship I have been trying to point out the exact same thing with SV vs. Judson and the SA area

I know man I have tried believe me. But I do honestly believe LP would have had at least 2 more state titles if they played in div1 in several of those years. It is impossible to prove though and a argument one cannot win.

[CKE]

SLC has been the bain of Lufkins existence since 2002. That said, they were 1 play here, one call there from at least 3 championships. They have a good coach and are still dangerous. I believe they will reload.

You can say the same thing for SV....twice now

[DragonFan0316]

You can say the same thing for SV....twice now

You are right there. SV is hard and if we never have to play them again I would be okay with that. Good luck to them.:notworthy

[dada]

So let me get this right....the message board has been taking down.....and meetings are taking place over something a poster said?

Isnt that what message boards and public forums are for?..If the paper rights something about me and I disagree.....should the paper be yanked from circulation? Or is it more to it?

That's like KT2000 pulling the plug on our board because he dosent want to read all the posts after a 47-0 loss by Katy.

[CKE]

You are right there. SV is hard and if we never have to play them again I would be okay with that. Good luck to them.:notworthy

Imagine how we feel if we had to play y'all :o

[GameTyme]

SLC has been the bain of Lufkins existence since 2002. That said, they were 1 play here, one call there from at least 3 championships. They have a good coach and are still dangerous. I believe they will reload.


SLC came just at the right time. I strongly feel that with no SLC Lufkin has state championships in 2002,2004, and 2005. What could have been.

Do I feel the talent is down in Lufkin ? No. We have the top defensive recruit in America. Alot of people dont stop to consider that this defense may have 4 players on it going DIV1. DE Germad Reed has already picked up offers from Arizona St, and UTEP, and plenty others. FS Carrington Byndom is one of the top JR DB recruits in Texas, and DB Demarquez Freeman is a big time lock down corner. We still have plent of talent on this defense. Dada is also a beast Im sure he will play college ball as well.

Now the offense on the other hand is not playing consistant. We have seen several instances of flashes of brilliance. 19 points in the 3rd against Lee. The 20 point first half effort against LV. Talent may not be the best, but after next season Trimble is going to become one of if not the best WR prospect in Texas his SR season. If the coaches are saving anything right now it is him. Didn't Mesquite have an OU commit in the secondary on Trimble. Trimble had what 160 yards and 2 TD's on him. Casey Jones is going to be another solid player. We are young in the skill player department mostly JR's and few sophmores. We still have plenty of talent. Right now inconsistancy is what is hurting the offense, not that they are lacking play makers. The offensiveline is still gaining experience and come playoff time Lufkin could very well come the suprise team in Texas. Now about what is being said about the OC well from my point of view it couldnt help but to try a different approach to a game. We should go with our strength more, and that is passing the ball. We dont have the offensiveline to run the football that successfully at times, but that is not what will win us games. Have you noticed this season that we are not running any kind of GT's of Traps or pulling gaurds. In the past especially with Rodgers, Lane, and Turner from 2002-2007 that was Lufkin's bread and butter. Notice this season not so much. we ran the ball 35 times while attempting 31 passes against Mesquite I say maybe 15 or fewer runs were somewhat successful. Claybon threw for 256 yards we as a team ran for 135 not bad, but look at where the offensive explosiveness comes from. The passing game. What is scoring for us. True Jeff only completed 13 passes, but we have also seen at times (Tyler Lee) where he can be very productive and connect at a pretty respectable percentage. Also thorwing it more would also make his rythm better. We need to be attempting 40-45 passes a game the run will come with it in time. We have an offense that can present alot mis matches in the passing game , but we are a little banged up right now. Both TE Lee (Brusied shin) and Clyabon (Brusied knee) both though expected to play against NS.

The only thing that needs to be said about the defense is keep doing what your doing. Coach Quick is THE BEST DC in Texas.

[JMSFan]

SLC came just at the right time. I strongly feel that with no SLC Lufkin has state championships in 2002,2004, and 2005. What could have been.

Do I feel the talent is down in Lufkin ? No. We have the top defensive recruit in America. Alot of people dont stop to consider that this defense may have 4 players on it going DIV1. DE Germad Reed has already picked up offers from Arizona St, and UTEP, and plenty others. FS Carrington Byndom is one of the top JR DB recruits in Texas, and DB Demarquez Freeman is a big time lock down corner. We still have plent of talent on this defense. Dada is also a beast Im sure he will play college ball as well.

Now the offense on the other hand is not playing consistant. We have seen several instances of flashes of brilliance. 19 points in the 3rd against Lee. The 20 point first half effort against LV. Talent may not be the best, but after next season Trimble is going to become one of if not the best WR prospect in Texas his SR season. If the coaches are saving anything right now it is him. Didn't Mesquite have an OU commit in the secondary on Trimble. Trimble had what 160 yards and 2 TD's on him. Casey Jones is going to be another solid player. We are young in the skill player department mostly JR's and few sophmores. We still have plenty of talent. Right now inconsistancy is what is hurting the offense, not that they are lacking play makers. The offensiveline is still gaining experience and come playoff time Lufkin could very well come the suprise team in Texas. Now about what is being said about the OC well from my point of view it couldnt help but to try a different approach to a game. We should go with our strength more, and that is passing the ball. We dont have the offensiveline to run the football that successfully at times, but that is not what will win us games. Have you noticed this season that we are not running any kind of GT's of Traps or pulling gaurds. In the past especially with Rodgers, Lane, and Turner from 2002-2007 that was Lufkin's bread and butter. Notice this season not so much. we ran the ball 35 times while attempting 31 passes against Mesquite I say maybe 15 or fewer runs were somewhat successful. Claybon threw for 256 yards we as a team ran for 135 not bad, but look at where the offensive explosiveness comes from. The passing game. What is scoring for us. True Jeff only completed 13 passes, but we have also seen at times (Tyler Lee) where he can be very productive and connect at a pretty respectable percentage. Also thorwing it more would also make his rythm better. We need to be attempting 40-45 passes a game the run will come with it in time. We have an offense that can present alot mis matches in the passing game , but we are a little banged up right now. Both TE Lee (Brusied shin) and Clyabon (Brusied knee) both though expected to play against NS.

The only thing that needs to be said about the defense is keep doing what your doing. Coach Quick is THE BEST DC in Texas.


I think you mentioned the "elephant in the room". Can you spot him?

[RedRage00]

So let me get this right....the message board has been taking down.....and meetings are taking place over something a poster said?

Isnt that what message boards and public forums are for?..If the paper rights something about me and I disagree.....should the paper be yanked from circulation? Or is it more to it?

That's like KT2000 pulling the plug on our board because he dosent want to read all the posts after a 47-0 loss by Katy.

I was mentioned in the Victoria paper for comments I made (on a public forum) after the Vipers lost to CC Carroll on Friday.....my comments and others....in the CITY PAPER....WRITTEN edition and online lol

I'm famous now. :D

[JMSFan]

I was mentioned in the Victoria paper for comments I made (on a public forum) after the Vipers lost to CC Carroll on Friday.....my comments and others....in the CITY PAPER....WRITTEN edition and online lol

I'm famous now. :D


I want an autograph.

[RedRage00]

I want an autograph.

It's in the mail.

My point was that I don't see why they are worried about what people are saying on an Internet message board.

The whole thing is r#tarded.

[JMSFan]

It's in the mail.

My point was that I don't see why they are worried about what people are saying on an Internet message board.

The whole thing is r#tarded.

I agree completely. They should be worried about losing 3 straight, and doing what they can to fix their team troubles.

I will frame the autograph, then sell it on E bay.

[pack0808]

So let me get this right....the message board has been taking down.....and meetings are taking place over something a poster said?
Isnt that what message boards and public forums are for?..If the paper rights something about me and I disagree.....should the paper be yanked from circulation? Or is it more to it?

That's like KT2000 pulling the plug on our board because he dosent want to read all the posts after a 47-0 loss by Katy.


Yes that is pretty much it. I am still in awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. :eek:

Wide's message board fame/legend is growing by the second.

[sweetpea]

Wide's message board fame/legend is growing by the second.



:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[PackAttack2005]

The Lufkin board is not completely down, it is up and running when things can be monitored.

We are just going to lay low a few days until all the controversy blows over.

[PantherStang84]

The Lufkin board is not completely down, it is up and running when things can be monitored.

We are just going to lay low a few days until all the controversy blows over.

No offense PA but I think the stake has been driven into the heart of the board and it will never be the same again. I know you are in a tough spot, but when Lufkin I.S.D. gets censorship rights over the message board, then the writing is on the wall. I did enjoy reading the MB but it is probably dead now forever. When a town whose economy has been hit as hard as Lufkin agrees to make their head football coach the one of the highest paid in the state, they should be allowed to voice their displeasure at his recent job performance. Additionally, he should be man enough to take the heat when those criticisms come.

What John Outlaw and the Sideliners have done by pulling the plug on the MB was very cowardly. Instead of just dealing with the offenders of the rules of conduct, they took the coward's route and decided they can't stand the scrutiny. Again. I know it's not your fault and you are just doing what your benefactors are telling you to do. So these comments are not directed at you.

If you decide to take the site public or decide to just tell the good ole' boys to shove it and start a new one. I will be the first in line to help with money time or whatever it may take to help get things going. I know many others here feel the same way. We need a local site free from the bonds of the coach and his cronies where folks can freely exchange ideas with reasonable conduct standards in place. (Like this site's standards for example.)

[PackAttack2005]

PantherStang, you just hit the nail on the head. It was certain posters that did not have reasonable conduct when they came to the site. The only censorship that has been ask of the LP Site is to NOT allow anyone to call out players or coaches with negative criticism. That's it.

That is the same rules that apply on this site as well. Stang, we were told by Outlaw that he would take any criticism toward his program, his door is always open. There is your shot to get your point across.

The LP site is open for business, but the rules will be strictly enforced with no exception. The negative griping and disrepect towards the kids and the program will not happen.

[PantherStang84]

PantherStang, you just hit the nail on the head. It was certain posters that did not have reasonable conduct when they came to the site. The only censorship that has been ask of the LP Site is to NOT allow anyone to call out players or coaches with negative criticism. That's it.

That is the same rules that apply on this site as well. Stang, we were told by Outlaw that he would take any criticism toward his program, his door is always open. There is your shot to get your point across.

The LP site is open for business, but the rules will be strictly enforced with no exception. The negative griping and disrepect towards the kids and the program will not happen.

I say the bold text above is out of line for a public forum but that is just my opinion. I have already had my rounds with him and Roy Knight but some things never change. BTW... Where is that superstar LB whose Daddy threatened to move to Dallas if he didn't get to start 3B on the baseball team? Oops. Now I'm the bad guy.

[PantherStang84]

Answer: His name is not on the Lufkin football roster this year.

[4th and 1]

So let me get this right....the message board has been taking down.....and meetings are taking place over something a poster said?

Isnt that what message boards and public forums are for?..If the paper rights something about me and I disagree.....should the paper be yanked from circulation? Or is it more to it?

That's like KT2000 pulling the plug on our board because he dosent want to read all the posts after a 47-0 loss by Katy.

Lufkin's message board is no more than a local gossip outlet for a select few local "good ole boys" that use it like a chat room. Two years ago I joined the board during baseball season. After Lufkin won it's first district game late in the season, I wrote a post titled "Do You Believe In Miracles" (borrowed from ABC's Al Michaels) and was immediately banned because the local boys didn't like it. I am still banned to this day.
With North Shore coming to town, I guess they want to avoid the inevitable after their third straight loss by limiting all posts to "positive only" comments. Doesn't surprise me a bit.

[LPack007]

Answer: His name is not on the Lufkin football roster this year.

David M.

[PACK]

SOOOOOOOOOOOO, what impact positive or negative will this have on the team?

[GameTyme]

David M.


I dont know who labeled him super star because he was far from that last season. He lost the starting job by mid season anyway.

[LPack007]

I dont know who labeled him super star because he was far from that last season. He lost the starting job by mid season anyway.

I agree with you, I don't know why stang called him a superstar lol..;)

[GameTyme]

I agree with you, I don't know why stang called him a superstar lol..;)


I just wish Garret was healthy this season. He was going to b a big part of this defense.

[PantherStang84]

I dont know who labeled him super star because he was far from that last season. He lost the starting job by mid season anyway.

I didn't bring the subject up to talk about a player or former player. My purpose was to point out some of the shenanigans that go on at the Lufkin I.S.D. Athletic Dept. and how each sport is not allowed to stand on its own merit. Other sports can and will be manipulated to its detriment if it benefits the football program. Kind of like the fox guarding the hen house so to speak.

Anyway I m done with this subject and thread. What has happened has happened and as long as the same bunch of cronies are in control, things will never change in Lufkin, TX.

[GameTyme]

I didn't bring the subject up to talk about a player or former player. My purpose was to point out some of the shenanigans that go on at the Lufkin I.S.D. Athletic Dept. and how each sport is not allowed to stand on its own merit. Other sports can and will be manipulated to its detriment if it benefits the football program. Kind of like the fox guarding the hen house so to speak.

Anyway I m done with this subject and thread. What has happened has happened and as long as the same bunch of cronies are in control, things will never change in Lufkin, TX.

Im just laughing at the fact that his dad threatened to pull him out if he didnt start. Hope he enjoys playing baseball in front of 50 people this season.

[c-lisle]

The only censorship that has been ask of the LP Site is to NOT allow anyone to call out players or coaches with negative criticism. That's it.

.

or if a longview poster comes on rubbing a win in. :)

and I have seen Wide make many unacceptable comments and nothing was done. why do you think he was banned from here multiple times. time bomb.

[slorch]

or if a longview poster comes on rubbing a win in. :)

and I have seen Wide make many unacceptable comments and nothing was done. why do you think he was banned from here multiple times. time bomb.

During the time Wide was on here, did the View ever beat Lufkin? I didn't think so...

or people like you that got continually destroyed just admitted defeat and cried, cried, cried...;):D

[c-lisle]

During the time Wide was on here, did the View ever beat Lufkin? I didn't think so...

or people like you that got continually destroyed just admitted defeat and cried, cried, cried...;):D

we've won the last two so I'm over it. a new streak has begun.

[PantherStang84]

I agree with you, I don't know why stang called him a superstar lol..;)

Obviously there are some broken sarcasm detectors around here.

[whyzat]

Maybe this situation just needs to be given time to play itself out. In the past, Pack fans have always defended their coaching staff to the last man. Even disparaging remarks the head coach made about the quality of weak opponents was simply "telling like it is." It would appear this principle does not apply when directed internally. Seems a bit of a contradiction, given events unfolding down there.
Anyway, many claim that good coaching is most critical when the talent level is below normal. Give the man time to work his magic. They may turn it all around this week.

[Favpack]

Lufkin's message board is no more than a local gossip outlet for a select few local "good ole boys" that use it like a chat room. Two years ago I joined the board during baseball season. After Lufkin won it's first district game late in the season, I wrote a post titled "Do You Believe In Miracles" (borrowed from ABC's Al Michaels) and was immediately banned because the local boys didn't like it. I am still banned to this day.
With North Shore coming to town, I guess they want to avoid the inevitable after their third straight loss by limiting all posts to "positive only" comments. Doesn't surprise me a bit.

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Yeah, right. If you were banned, it was because you were a moron. There are over 800 folks on the site. I'm sure they like everyone but you.

Get a clue. If you trashed the program - you were shown the door. Go start your own baseball site.

[PackAttack2005]

Don't know about 4th and 1, he may have been suspended for a short time, but he was never banned. People have taken this way too far in my opinion.

All you have to do is talk football without bashing individuals and calling kids character into question. What is so hard about that? Regardless of what anyone says here or Stang, Lufkin is still has a top 20 program, which is better than 225 other 5A programs in the State. Some people just like to argue, gripe and criticize, they are never satisfied with anything, that's their nature.

We live in a day and age where people find fault with everything and constantly criticize, never contributing a positive solution about anything. What they don't see, is they themselves are far from perfect and couldn't do a better job if it were handed to them with a gold card attached.

Some people just need to shut up and quit showing their ignorance. If you don't like the program, don't buy a ticket and support it. Stay at the house, we would all be better off.

[backthepack]

I have to agree on ALL point with PStang.

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Sounds like a bunch of b****ing and moaning to me.

If anything, the coaches should take that criticism and use it to their advantage. Sometimes it helps to get the viewpoint of the person on the outside looking in.

I for one will not be posting in LP Sports anymore because of this. At least until the day the coaches stay far away from it. PA has run a WONDERFUL site and they need to keep their freakin' heads out of it. He is a very trustworthy man and he obviously knows what the hell he is doing. If there is something that shouldn't be there, he will find it eventually.

Coaches, give the man (AND US) a flipping break! Jesus H.

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[PackAttack2005]

By not coming to the site your giving in to the system, don't be intimidated. Don't worry about me, I can handle things well enough on my end. I was a fan in Lufkin long before anyone from this program arrived in 1995, so I feel I have a greater stake in this matter to do things right.

[PACK]

PA, I have been around here since the old days at the old stadium and I'm sure you have as well. As was then, the town was very much envolved in what was going on with the Panthers. That is just the way it has, is, and will always be. As well, the town also supported Dunbar HS when Coach Red was running the program. So, it is a very rich HS football town. This just didn't come about after the 01 season. I think the current frustration boils down to this, if we knew there was a shortage of talent, then everyone (for the most part) would be supportive and wait out the drought. BUT, we know there is talent on this team. It's not like these kids come out of a box when they hit varsity because we've been watching them since they were in the 7th grade. WHEN, there is inconsistancy on the field and others sitting on the bench that are capable, (knowingly because we have seen them for the last 4 or 5 years) why do they not get a shot? That is the biggest question ask and apparently the coach finds it offensive that anyone ask the question.

[c-lisle]

PA, I have been around here since the old days at the old stadium and I'm sure you have as well. As was then, the town was very much envolved in what was going on with the Panthers. That is just the way it has, is, and will always be. As well, the town also supported Dunbar HS when Coach Red was running the program. So, it is a very rich HS football town. This just didn't come about after the 01 season. I think the current frustration boils down to this, if we knew there was a shortage of talent, then everyone (for the most part) would be supportive and wait out the drought. BUT, we know there is talent on this team. It's not like these kids come out of a box when they hit varsity because we've been watching them since they were in the 7th grade. WHEN, there is inconsistancy on the field and others sitting on the bench that are capable, (knowingly because we have seen them for the last 4 or 5 years) why do they not get a shot? That is the biggest question ask and apparently the coach finds it offensive that anyone ask the question.

I wonder if anyone has asked Coach Oulaw in person? asking the internet wont get you any answers. I look at it this way.....would I want anyone criticising my job publicly? No. So I wont criticize the coaches publicly...certainly not the kids.

[slcdragonfan]

I wonder if anyone has asked Coach Oulaw in person? asking the internet wont get you any answers. I look at it this way.....would I want anyone criticising my job publicly? No. So I wont criticize the coaches publicly...certainly not the kids.

Are you saying (as a friend of mine once said):

"Don't go talking about me in front of my back?" :)

[pack75]

Like I pointed out to a good friend of mine, the reason folks are in an uproar is that the kids deserve better from their coaches. If they need to bench a kid or two to get results, then they need to grow some juevos and do it.

Anyone with eyesight better than say about 20/100 can see where the problems are on offense. It's not fair to the defensive players and other players who show up and practice 110% to do nothing.

I agree.

[GameTyme]

I wonder if anyone has asked Coach Oulaw in person? asking the internet wont get you any answers. I look at it this way.....would I want anyone criticising my job publicly? No. So I wont criticize the coaches publicly...certainly not the kids.


Basically he is implying that Tinz get a chance to start over Claybon at QB. Claybon has only threw for over 250 yards in 3 of the 4 games this year. With what 9 or 10 TD's passes. Yeah he has thrown what 6 pics, but 3 times all we were aking were for him to chunk it down field as far as he can and the other was that pic in the 2nd half against LV when the WR slipped down who was oh yeah open for the first down and makes the catch if he doesnt fall.

Claybon was Obvioulsy the best QB we had at the spring game if not dont know what Spring game you were watching. Tinz is a good football player, but having success on JV is one thing then having success on Varsity. His time will be next season even then I heard that Sophmore kid Smiley who started the year out starting slot WR #11 has since been moved down to JV proly to get some reps in at QB because that was his position as a freshman. Smiley is what 6'3 atleast 200lbs. Wouldnt suprise me one bit for him to be the starting QB next season. He would definitly be the most dangeous running QB we have had since Reggie. He can also throw the football with some pretty nice touch.

Maybe PA can help me out about Smiley not playing on the Varsity after the John Tyler game. Pretty sure they moved him down to get reps at QB on the JV. Can only mean one thing. They are getting him ready to take over the rains after this season. See Jeremy Nobles for example.

[DragonFan0316]

Since 2002 I have come to know and respect Lufkin football and it's fans. As I read the posts I feel the frustration and pain. This is unhealthy though. You have great tradition. Lean on it when the W/L column is not what you are used too. Stop the divisive rhetoric. I recommend you close this thread through inactivity and let it fade away. Wish you all the best and expect to see you soon.:notworthy

[PackAttack2005]

:)The JV is playing lights out right now. Saw them beat Longview JV 34-19 they are a pretty good bunch. Smiley is the starting QB on JV.

[KT2000]

I'm going to go ahead and close this one so everyone can move forward to the North Shore game. We've vented about it, and hopefully the Pack faithful can throw their weight behind this team and be proud of what they accomplish when all is said and done.

Look for our Lufkin-North Shore preview later tonight.