Katy vs Cypress Bay, FL

[Bass]

There's a pretty big thread (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=33645) going on about Cypress Bay which I haven't found the time to sit and read yet. Based on this year's Katy team, and what we know about Cypress Bay, who wins this game? I won't make the poll specific to score predictions, but if you've got one give it here.

Cypress Bay Booster Site (http://www.cbhsbooster.us/)

Right now I say Katy wins by less than 7.

[chunky79]

There's a pretty big thread (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=33645) going on about Cypress Bay which I haven't found the time to sit and read yet. Based on this year's Katy team, and what we know about Cypress Bay, who wins this game? I won't make the poll specific to score predictions, but if you've got one give it here.

Cypress Bay Booster Site (http://www.cbhsbooster.us/)

Right now I say Katy wins by less than 7.

im not voting til i know the full extent on cybay

[Bass]

im not voting til i know the full extent on cybay

I won't vote for a while either, but I'll still vote for Katy even if I think they'll lose. Don't know why I'm waiting really...

[chunky79]

I won't vote for a while either, but I'll still vote for Katy even if I think they'll lose. Don't know why I'm waiting really...

oh, i thought the poll is who do you think is going to win, not who do you think is going to win but still give the homer vote

[Bass]

oh, i thought the poll is who do you think is going to win, not who do you think is going to win but still give the homer vote

It is, but I play by my own rules.

[Texasfrog]

I've seen Cypress Bay play twice this year so far (Boyd Anderson & Western) which Cy-Bay won both games.

I'll give you my insite about Cypress Bay.

Right now in the South Florida area (Dade Co & Broward) area they're ranked #3rd.

South Florida Polls (Dade/Broward)

#1- St.Thomas Aquinas
#2- Deerfield Beach
#3- Cypress Bay

State of Florida Polls- Class 6A

#5- Cypress Bay

Cypress Bay has at least 5 Seniors that are D-1A prospects.

RB- Jason Douglass - (5-8, 175, 4.5)
LB- Shane Gordon - (6-2, 220, 4.6)
LB- Austin Gamble - (6-0, 220, 4.6)
LB- Phil Walker - (6-1,210, 4.6)
DB- Carl Miles - (5-10, 170, 4.5)

I would say they also have a few Juniors that are D-1A prospects with a couple of the O-line guys.

Cypress Bay runs a Wing-T offense and they run the ball 98% of the time. I would say they average about 4 or 5 throws a game just to mostly keep you honest. Most of the throws go to the TE out in the flats from what I've seen.

They also try to overload one side everynow and then with an extra OT & HB and try to sweep it around the edge trying to out number you.

On defense they been running a 3-3-5 look in the games I've seen. But, they've been brining a lot of blitz package looks with that.

They dont have a lot of "depth" (IMO) because every game I've seen the defense 1st team never gets rotated unless it was like the Western game where they had "backups" in the game starting the 2nd half.

Added:

Florida Football Mag (Florida's version of Texas Dave Campbells) rates Cypress Bay linebacker tandem the #1unit in the State of Florida this year and Cypress Bay's O-line the #2 unit right behind St.Thomas Aquinas.

[Texasfrog]

Also, Cypress Bay's RB-Jason Douglas has (40 car- 336 yds- 4tds) in three games. So, he is averaging 8.4 yard/carry.

He would also probably have about 100 more yards but he didnt play the 2nd half against Western last week.

They do have another RB that is built very similiar as Jason Douglass that had over a 100 yards against Western backing up Douglass. He good but not as good as Douglass.

[Redhoss]

My homer vote is going to Katy :D

[chunky79]

im going for katy but cybay is going to win

[ktCarl]

I voted Homer and Texas. A rather non-football-educated guess.

[DownSouth]

Cypress Bay is a good team with an outstanding coach and a fair amount of top D1 talent, but I'm not sure that they will win this one.

Katy clearly is not the Katy of last year, but Cypress has shown that the current team they have has only been capable of being a 2nd round playoff loser. The team is a year older and has that much more time with the system, but they haven't played up to the level that one would expect with the talent that they have.

Their O-line is Texas styled, big, nasty, and will maul you in the run game. Douglas (RB) will not be touched if he can get into the open field and the linebackers will be all over the field.

The main issue is whether the Katy O-line will create enough of a push to make those 3 D1 backers have to do more than they are assigned to do. The CB D-line isnt to strong (outside LB Walker now lines up as a D-End as well) and could cost them.

I picked Katy to win but I hope CB will come out with a win.

Much of my hesitation to pick CB as the winner comes from too many years of seeing them under old leadership which will be enough to explain that hesitation to anyone from the Broward area.

[t00 playa]

Cypress Bay is a good team with an outstanding coach and a fair amount of top D1 talent, but I'm not sure that they will win this one.

Katy clearly is not the Katy of last year, but Cypress has shown that the current team they have has only been capable of being a 2nd round playoff loser. The team is a year older and has that much more time with the system, but they haven't played up to the level that one would expect with the talent that they have.

Their O-line is Texas styled, big, nasty, and will maul you in the run game. Douglas (RB) will not be touched if he can get into the open field and the linebackers will be all over the field.

The main issue is whether the Katy O-line will create enough of a push to make those 3 D1 backers have to do more than they are assigned to do. The CB D-line isnt to strong (outside LB Walker now lines up as a D-End as well) and could cost them.

I picked Katy to win but I hope CB will come out with a win.

Much of my hesitation to pick CB as the winner comes from too many years of seeing them under old leadership which will be enough to explain that hesitation to anyone from the Broward area.

quality post... thanks for the cy bay info.....:eek:

[chunky79]

Katy clearly is not the Katy of last year, but Cypress has shown that the current team they have has only been capable of being a 2nd round playoff loser.

i think katy is the same way, depending on who they end up playing

[ftballin11]

i think katy is the same way, depending on who they end up playing

I dont know about the second round? Its been a llllllllloooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnggggg time since they lost that early, and region three D2 is down this year. Even more so than usual.

Actually i think 01' might have lost to Vy in 01'. This team has alot more talent than 01'.

[chunky79]

thats why i said depending on who they play

[Ferox]

Cypress Bay will blowout Katy.

[dada]

Cypress Bay will blowout Katy.

Keep shooting blindly into the air Ferox....and eventually you will shoot down a plane....lol

[Fleeman93]

Cypress Bay will blowout Katy.

You from Cy Creek?

[dada]

You from Cy Creek?

Nope....just a guy who has picked Katy to get blown out every week this season.

[Mr. Rod]

Isnt this game supposed to be on ESPN?

[dada]

Cypress Bay will blowout Katy.


Clear Creek will probably put up a better fight than Katy. Watch Out! :D



Conroe Oak Ridge will win. ;)


I think Katy played horrible football today. Katy might not even make the playoffs if they continue playing like they did today. There defense played an ok game....that was the only positive thing from the Tigers. I thought Webber was supposed to be the real deal...I liked Jefferies running the ball...he's a better athlete than Webber.....If Dean or Aston played against this Marcus team today they would of had well over 200yds rushing...The passing game was terrible....they did get a win barely....but Katy is not a contender...by no means they are.


Marcus will win. 28-14. Katy just isn't clicking.

good footage from the Woodlands. Katy is finished. They won't even make the playoffs with the way they played. Sad but true.

LOL

[dada]

Isnt this game supposed to be on ESPN?

ESPNU

[d-train]

Why is Katy playing a non-state power team?

[KT2000]

Why is Katy playing a non-state power team?

It is an arranged match-up that fit the scheduling of both schools. Cypress Bay is one of the top ranked teams in the Broward-Dade area at the moment. They are currently in the AP Florida Class 6A Top 10. They aren't known as a state power, but they have a very good coach who is trying to build the program to that level.

[dada]

Why is Katy playing a non-state power team?

Not sure you can call Cy-Bay a power....school hasn't been open that long and last year was their best year 10-2 I think.

[Fleeman93]

Nope....just a guy who has picked Katy to get blown out every week this season.


Well he always has something negative to say about Katy which is fine, but I thought I remember someone saying he we from the Cy Fair district. Just makes sense that it would be Creek since they were the last Fair team to get handled by Katy.

[chunky79]

LOL

:notworthy

[ktCarl]

Actually, this one is hard to pick since none of us here in Texas has seen Cy-Bay play and vice-versa for them. They will be bringing a supposedly good team into the house of a Traditioned winner. This game should have a great atmosphere. I cain't wait.

[ftballin11]

Where and how can i get tickets to the game.

[Miss Kitty]

Where and how can i get tickets to the game.

Check your In Box. :)

[ftballin11]

Why is Katy playing a non-state power team?


Because Katy is a premier program in the state.

[dada]

Because Katy is a premier program in the state.

pssh.....yeah right....they ran from West Brook.:rolleyes:

[chunky79]

pssh.....yeah right....they ran from West Brook.:rolleyes:

:notworthy

[ktCarl]

pssh.....yeah right....they ran from West Brook.:rolleyes:

I sure am glad they got a game scheduled.

[twcpfan1]

Is this game at Rhodes? If so, when?

[dada]

Is this game at Rhodes? If so, when?

Saturday...2:30....show up in red.

[p9703264]

one of the reasons i quit my job is because i was supposed to work sat. nd they wouldnt let me off.:D:p (along with other reasons of course)

[cyfallsbooster2]

Good luck, Katy fans! Get the boys pumped to rep the State well!:notworthy

[Miss Kitty]

one of the reasons i quit my job is because i was supposed to work sat. nd they wouldnt let me off.:D:p (along with other reasons of course)

Love your priorities. :D

[Miss Kitty]

Good luck, Katy fans! Get the boys pumped to rep the State well!:notworthy

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Are ya coming?

[cyfallsbooster2]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Are ya coming?

I was thinking about it. But I would probably have to sit on the visitors side to avoid bodily injury because Cy Bay doesn't know me.......yet.:D

[FreshmanTiger]

Good luck, Katy fans! Get the boys pumped to rep the State well!:notworthy

Thank you, One thing I always do it pull for the team that is representing Texas:D

[Redhoss]

I was thinking about it. But I would probably have to sit on the visitors side to avoid bodily injury because Cy Bay doesn't know me.......yet.:D

I sent them pictures of all of your aliases. You may as well get red. :D

[ftballin11]

man i sure wish there was some cy-bay people to banter with. This is boring.

[Redhoss]

man i sure wish there was some cy-bay people to banter with. This is boring.

Pick a poll, any poll. :D

[Ferox]

LOL

yeah yeah yeah.....:D

Katy's running game is about to be taken apart by 3 big and bad linebackers. Katy doesn't even have a running game...or a passing game. These L-backers with be all over Webber. After this game, Katy's ship will start sinking.:)

[dada]

yeah yeah yeah.....:D

Katy's running game is about to be taken apart by 3 big and bad linebackers. Katy doesn't even have a running game...or a passing game. These L-backers with be all over Webber. After this game, Katy's ship will start sinking.:)

Yeah...when I read about them too...the jumped off the page and smaked me in the mouth......I bet they read Morton Ranch has the best offense in the Houston area.

[Ferox]

Yeah...when I read about them too...the jumped off the page and smaked me in the mouth......I bet they read Morton Ranch has the best offense in the Houston area.

Katy sure doesn't have the best offense...

[ftballin11]

Katy sure doesn't have the best offense...

Can you tell me one thing about katy's offense this year or you just saying stuff to piss Katy's fans off.

[Dynastybegan86]

Can you tell me one thing about katy's offense this year or you just saying stuff to piss Katy's fans off.

Hey FB11, let's leave ferox alone, he lost his fight and is trying to find it. I hope he does against LC. I can only imagine what it is like to be 0-3 and looking more and more like 1-9 or 0-10.He is trying to make himself feel better by talking smack to Katy fans. He's harmless, and losing.

[dada]

Katy sure doesn't have the best offense...

Damn it...I sat 4 games thinking they ran the run and shoot averaging 55 points per game......such a guru you are.:rolleyes:

[dada]

Can you tell me one thing about katy's offense this year or you just saying stuff to piss Katy's fans off.

He's the guy that grabs his rifle and posies with the dead dear on the side of the road.

[steeler 01]

Can we get a prediction from Frog.:D

[cyfallsbooster2]

Happy Halloween!

Go Katy Tigers!:notworthy

[cyfallsbooster2]

I sent them pictures of all of your aliases. You may as well get red. :D

Thanks for the help, buddy.



:D

[cyfallsbooster2]

man i sure wish there was some cy-bay people to banter with. This is boring.

Redhoss is right. Just go to any thread you want to, pick a likely candidate, walk up and punch them right in the nose with a sharp insult and then you get your banter you're looking for! It works for me!:D

[Texasfrog]

Miami Herald Sports (Oct.1,2008)

This weeks Top games (Andre Fernandez).

Edited:

Cypress Bay coach Mark Guandolo knows the kinds of elements his Lighting will face this weekend when it plays its first game outside of Florida.

Guandolo took Southridge and Chaminade on the road twice during his stints there as a coach.

This game will have added pressure being on national tv on Espnu.

The Lightning have the looks of Coach Guandolos tough teams of old with Linebackers Gordon, Gamble and Walker Jr.

But the offense gives Cypress Bay balance. Cy-Bay's offense is averaging 34 points per game behind the strong running of Jason Douglas (41 carries-334 yards- 4 tds), David McKnight & Craig Dee. The Lightning already have beaten some of Browards top teams in Dillard and Boyd Anderson.

Katy has traditionally been one of Texas best state programs, winning five state titles. But this seems to be the right season for Cy-Bay to catch Katy, which already has a 47-0 loss this year.

Guandolo teams move to 3-2 all time on the road after this game.

Miami Herald Prediction: Cypress Bay-27, Katy- 24

[Texasfrog]

Miami Herald Top 20 (South Florida HS teams).

1. St. Thomas Aquinas
2. Deerfield Beach

3. Cypress Bay: Cy-Bay 27, Katy 24, Lightning overcome road elements to score big victory.

4. MNW
5. Miramar: They play Cy-Bay next week.
6. Columbus
7. Killian: vs. Lakeland , Killian 22, Lakeland 21.
8. Everglades
9. Monsignor Pace
10. North Miami Beach: vs John Curtis: JC-28, NMB-20, Chargers hang tough, but will be hard pressed to leave the Big Easy with a win.

[Texasfrog]

The Woodlands is 11th in the new Texas 5A polls. They beat Katy 47-0.

Cypress Bay is ranked 10th overall in Florida.

This game shouldnt even be close. I mean Florida is a much better HS football State then Texas , so it should be Cypress Bay in a pretty big blowout.;)

[steeler 01]

The Woodlands is 11th in the new Texas 5A polls. They beat Katy 47-0.

Cypress Bay is ranked 10th overall in Florida.

This game shouldnt even be close. I mean Florida is a much better HS football State then Texas , so it should be Cypress Bay in a pretty big blowout.;)

Well this site has The Woodlands 5th, and North Shore 9th. North Shore beat Katy 10-6. If you go by the new 5A texas poll. The Woodlands is 7th and North Shore is 4th. Just like Frog to leave all the facts out.;);):D

[Texasfrog]

We know Steeler,

Clovis East sucks and now I guess DLS sucks also. We know.:rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

We know Steeler,

Clovis East sucks and now I guess DLS sucks also. We know.:rolleyes:

Frog, no prediction this time? Will a coach for Cy-Bay be scratching his head after the game or was it you scratching your head after the game last year?

[Hitman49]

Well this site has The Woodlands 5th, and North Shore 9th. North Shore beat Katy 10-6. If you go by the new 5A texas poll. The Woodlands is 7th and North Shore is 4th. Just like Frog to leave all the facts out.;);):D

If you believe that either N Shore or The Woodlands will win state here in Texas your just crazy.

If Katy beats a ranked Florida team after getting beat 47-0 by The Woodlands, I will need to redue by list of top football states. I did have Florida #2, not sure why as just about every major school in Florida has got killed against out of state competition this year.

1. Texas
2. California
3. Florida

[Ferox]

Can you tell me one thing about katy's offense this year or you just saying stuff to piss Katy's fans off.

I can tell you acouple of things. Ray is not a good Quarterback. His passing yards are a joke. Webber is so over-rated. I bet Dean is laughing. Katy's offense will kill there playoff run.

[Ferox]

He's the guy that grabs his rifle and posies with the dead dear on the side of the road.

Hey dada, It's poses not posies.....:D :D

[ktCarl]

I can tell you acouple of things. Ray is not a good Quarterback. His passing yards are a joke. Webber is so over-rated. I bet Dean is laughing. Katy's offense will kill there playoff run.

Ray is getting better and his stats would be much better if his receivers will catch the ball. If you hit receivers in the hands and numbers and they drop the ball it's not fair to then point the finger at the QB's stats. The OL is getting a bit better and...you're baiting and I took it.

[ftballin11]

I can tell you acouple of things. Ray is not a good Quarterback. His passing yards are a joke. Webber is so over-rated. I bet Dean is laughing. Katy's offense will kill there playoff run.


Hmm do you remember Ben Johnson from 03', Started slow. Oh and Webber has steadily improved through the games. You have to remember he hasnt played in over a year. But if you saw the oak ridge game you would have seen the depth they have at running back. There offense will be pretty explosive when the o-line gets it together. The talent is there.

[ktCarl]

Hmm do you remember Ben Johnson from 03', Started slow. Oh and Webber has steadily improved through the games. You have to remember he hasnt played in over a year. But if you saw the oak ridge game you would have seen the depth they have at running back. There offense will be pretty explosive when the o-line gets it together. The talent is there.

I forgot to add that when the receivers get better the Tigers will be a purty good football team.

[ftballin11]

I forgot to add that when the receivers get better the Tigers will be a purty good football team.

Yes if it wasnt for some dropped passes and one miss thrown ball it would have been very lopsided.

[Canes0177]

The Woodlands is 11th in the new Texas 5A polls. They beat Katy 47-0.

Cypress Bay is ranked 10th overall in Florida.

This game shouldnt even be close. I mean Florida is a much better HS football State then Texas , so it should be Cypress Bay in a pretty big blowout.;)

Cypress Bay is 12th in Florida.


http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518 (http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518)

You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.

[Canes0177]

If Katy beats a ranked Florida team after getting beat 47-0 by The Woodlands, I will need to redue by list of top football states. I did have Florida #2, not sure why as just about every major school in Florida has got killed against out of state competition this year.


St. Thomas Aquinas 35, Elder (OH) 24
Lakeland 35, Pittsburgh Central Catholic (PA) 0
Mainland 34, Central Gwinnett (GA) 14

State Championships in last 5 years for Florida teams: 5

South Panola (MS) 28, Apopka 18
Byrnes (SC) 38, Lincoln 0
Northside (GA) 31, Washington 7

State Championships in last 5 years for Florida teams: 1

The truth eludes many people on this board.

Not only are the "major" schools not-so-major at the moment but the REAL major ones are 3-0.

[KT2000]

I am expecting a quality Cypress Bay team with some quality talent. I've been following Florida ball for about 10 years now, and I look forward to Saturday. Both Texas and Florida know how to play football very well.

[Texasfrog]

Cypress Bay is 12th in Florida.


http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518 (http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518)

You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.

Oh my God,, their 12th ?? Big Opps da doops. So some polls has them as the 12th ranked overall team in Florida. "MY BAD DOG !!":rolleyes:

The new Texas 5A Poll has the Woodlands #11th. That's the Texas 5A poll not the overall Texas poll.;)

Here is one big "FACT" for you Cane. Every Florida Poll has Cypress Bay ranked #5th in Florida 6A which is way ahead of the Woodlands at 11th in Texas 5A.:eek:

I love it also in your other post. Now I guess the real HS teams in Florida are STA, Lakeland and Mainland because they won their OOS games.

MNW, BTW, Pahokee, Lincoln, Apopka and others dont count because they "LOST." Oh ya, I forgot three of those games didnt count because they were scrimmages.. "LOL."

Here Cane, just for you. It's the Florida #5th ranked (6A) team going up agasint Katy who isnt even on any Texas polls.:rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

Ok,

So the Florida #3 team (Pahokee) , #12 (Cypress Bay) and about #26 (North Miami Beach) all have OOS games this weekend.

[Texasfrog]

Here Cane, this is the new Texas 5A Top #20 Poll and I'll go ahead and throw in the top few Texas 4A's too boot.

CLASS 5A

1. Euless Trinity
2. Plano
3. Galena Park North Shore
4. Spring Westfield
5. Southlake Carroll
6. Abilene
7. Odessa Permian
8. SA Madison
9. Allen
10. The Woodlands
11. Pearland
12. Garland Naaman Forest
13. Beaumont West Brook
14. Arlington Bowie
15. Katy Cinco Ranch
16. Leander
17. Garland
18. Flower Mound
19. Bryan
20. Cedar Hill

CLASS 4A

1. Lake Travis
2. Longview
3. Aledo
4. Everman
5. Kerrville Tivy
6. Port Lavaca Calhoun
7. Highland Park

Euless Trinity, Arlington Bowie, Cedar Hill, Lake Travis (4A) and Longview (4A) have all won OOS game this year also.

I would like to see Lake Travis or Longview play STA.

[Dynastybegan86]

Here Cane, this is the new Texas 5A Top #20 Poll and I'll go ahead and throw in the top few Texas 4A's too boot.

CLASS 5A

1. Euless Trinity
2. Plano
3. Galena Park North Shore
4. Spring Westfield
5. Southlake Carroll
6. Abilene
7. Odessa Permian
8. SA Madison
9. Allen
10. The Woodlands
11. Pearland
12. Garland Naaman Forest
13. Beaumont West Brook
14. Arlington Bowie
15. Katy Cinco Ranch
16. Leander
17. Garland
18. Flower Mound
19. Bryan
20. Cedar Hill

CLASS 4A

1. Lake Travis
2. Longview
3. Aledo
4. Everman
5. Kerrville Tivy
6. Port Lavaca Calhoun
7. Highland Park

Euless Trinity, Arlington Bowie, Cedar Hill, Lake Travis (4A) and Longview (4A) have all won OOS game this year also.

I would like to see Lake Travis or Longview play STA.

Where did you pull these rankings from? Just curious.

[DownSouth]

Cypress Bay is 12th in Florida.


http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518 (http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518)

You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.


Even 12th is a bit too high right now. I graduated from CB a few years back and obviously they're much better under Guandolo, but they still haven't done enough to convince me that they're even a Top 12 team yet (all classifications).

1. St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) (10) 5A 3-0 272
2. Armwood (Seffner) 4A 4-0 262
3. Pahokee (1) 2B 4-0 253
4. Deerfield Beach 6A 3-0 236
5. Madison County 2A 2-0 234
6. Lakeland 5A 4-0 217
7. Glades Central (Belle Glade) 3A 3-0 216
8. Chamberlain (Tampa) 5A 4-0 192
9. Dwyer (Palm Beach) 4A 3-0 175
10. Miami Northwestern 6A 3-0 166
11. Apopka 6A 3-1 146
12. Cypress Bay (Weston) 6A 3-0 136
13. Mainland (Daytona Beach) 5A 4-0 127
14. Miramar 6A 3-0 123 <------ could very well beat Cypress
15. St. Augustine 3A 3-0 116
16. Plant (Tampa) 4A 3-1 113 <----- could/would beat Cypress
17. Miami Killian 6A 4-0 110 <------ " " " "
18. Godby (Tallahassee) 3A 4-0 97
19. Bolles (Jacksonville) 2A 4-0 64
20. Boone (Orlando) 6A 4-0 63
21. Nease (Ponte Vedra Beach) 4A 3-0 51
22. Niceville 5A 4-0 48
23. Monsignor Pace (Miami) 3A 3-1 44
24. Naples 3A 3-1 41
25. Columbus (Miami) 6A 2-0 18

I'm sure one or two of these 3A-4A schools could give them a run, but I don't know mutch outside of Broward, Dade and some Polk.

And until they can beat NMB in the playoffs, who knows with that. Man, we're in a down year, bigtime parity.

With that said, they should still be able to slip by Katy with a 27-22 or 24-20 type of score.

2009 season will see MNW freakish again though, along with the rest of Dade county, Broward 6A needs to seize the opportunity now and take the title while they have the chance. DB, Cypress, Miramar need to get on a run if we want to upstage Dade for the first time in...years...years.

Years.

[steeler 01]

Where did you pull these rankings from? Just curious.

As am I.

[TrojanHorse03]

Where did you pull these rankings from? Just curious.

Cypress Bay is 12th in Florida.


http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518 (http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518)

You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.

Texas HS Rivals site http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=410&Year=2008 .

[steeler 01]

Oh my God,, their 12th ??

The new Texas 5A Poll has the Woodlands #11th. That's the Texas 5A poll not the overall Texas poll.;)

Here is one big "FACT" for you Cane. Every Florida Poll has Cypress Bay ranked #5th in Florida 6A which is way ahead of the Woodlands at 11th in Texas 5A.:eek:
Not higher than North Shore#3 who beat Katy 10-6.


Here Cane, just for you. It's the Florida #5th ranked (6A) team going up agasint Katy who isnt even on any Texas polls.:rolleyes:
Yet gave the number 3 team on that poll all they could handle.;);)

**

[Canes0177]

Oh my God,, their 12th ?? Big Opps da doops. So some polls has them as the 12th ranked overall team in Florida. "MY BAD DOG !!":rolleyes:

The new Texas 5A Poll has the Woodlands #11th. That's the Texas 5A poll not the overall Texas poll.;)

Here is one big "FACT" for you Cane. Every Florida Poll has Cypress Bay ranked #5th in Florida 6A which is way ahead of the Woodlands at 11th in Texas 5A.:eek:

I love it also in your other post. Now I guess the real HS teams in Florida are STA, Lakeland and Mainland because they won their OOS games.

MNW, BTW, Pahokee, Lincoln, Apopka and others dont count because they "LOST." Oh ya, I forgot three of those games didnt count because they were scrimmages.. "LOL."

Here Cane, just for you. It's the Florida #5th ranked (6A) team going up agasint Katy who isnt even on any Texas polls.:rolleyes:

No. Not "some" poll. The O-N-L-Y all-class poll in the state.

Yes. I'd consider those 3 teams as being more "real" Florida powers right now then BTW, Lincoln and Apopka.

[Canes0177]

Ok,

So the Florida #3 team (Pahokee) , #12 (Cypress Bay) and about #26 (North Miami Beach) all have OOS games this weekend.

Pahokee vs. 5-time state champion, #1 team in the country
Cypress Bay vs. 5-time state champion, defending 5A-II champion
North Miami Beach vs. 22-time state champion

Say what you want but once again Florida puts itself on the line far more than any other state.

Neither Cypress Bay nor North Miami Beach have ever played for a state championship.

Pahokee has only won small school championships.

And of course all of our teams are on the road this weekend.

[dada]

Hey dada, It's poses not posies.....:D :D

Thank you kind sir.

[dada]

I can tell you acouple of things. Ray is not a good Quarterback. His passing yards are a joke. Webber is so over-rated. I bet Dean is laughing. Katy's offense will kill there playoff run.

It's their not there.

[rancher52]

Pahokee vs. 5-time state champion, #1 team in the country
Cypress Bay vs. 5-time state champion, defending 5A-II champion
North Miami Beach vs. 22-time state champion

Say what you want but once again Florida puts itself on the line far more than any other state.

Neither Cypress Bay nor North Miami Beach have ever played for a state championship.

Pahokee has only won small school championships.

And of course all of our teams are on the road this weekend.

Byrnes has 8 state titles, not 5.

[dada]

Pahokee vs. 5-time state champion, #1 team in the country
Cypress Bay vs. 5-time state champion, defending 5A-II champion
North Miami Beach vs. 22-time state champion

Say what you want but once again Florida puts itself on the line far more than any other state.

Neither Cypress Bay nor North Miami Beach have ever played for a state championship.

Pahokee has only won small school championships.

And of course all of our teams are on the road this weekend.

Well, like the Miami Herald posted yesterday...."a STRONG team is coming to Texas and this is the right time to catch Katy being that they are 2-2 and already have a 47-0 loss"..

My question is......"What if Katy WINS this game?"

[rwilleby]

Well, like the Miami Herald posted yesterday...."a STRONG team is coming to Texas and this is the right time to catch Katy being that they are 2-2 and already have a 47-0 loss"..

My question is......"What if Katy WINS this game?"

We go 3-2... ;)

[chunky79]

2-3 and we might finish preplayoffs 6-4, then i say we end up finishing either 10-4 or 9-5

[rwilleby]

2-3 and we might finish preplayoffs 6-4, then i say we end up finishing either 10-4 or 9-5

Is that a math quiz?

[Pool Man]

2-3 and we might finish preplayoffs 6-4, then i say we end up finishing either 10-4 or 9-5

I agree. Even though Katy is down a notch or two this year, they could easily go into the playoffs and get to the regional championship, if not the semi's. Let's face it, there are very few teams in Region 3 that are strong enough or consistent enough to knock Katy out early.

[chunky79]

ok, we lose to cybay. then we might lose to CR, stress the might. then we lose in the 4th round. making our record either 10-4 or 9-5. 10-4 if we lose to cybay or 9-5 if we lose to CR and the oppenent we will eventually lose to in the 4th round

[Dynastybegan86]

It's their not there.

DOH!

I was actually thinking what is "acouple"...maybe he meant "a couple", yeah that is probably it! First sheriff doesn't stand a chance!:D

[Pool Man]

You know, if we were to get out of the region, Katy has a realistic shot at winning the semi final too. We've always fared well against the teams from region 4.

[rwilleby]

ok, we lose to cybay. then we might lose to CR, stress the might. then we lose in the 4th round. making our record either 10-4 or 9-5. 10-4 if we lose to cybay or 9-5 if we lose to CR and the oppenent we will eventually lose to in the 4th round

Ha! I knew what you meant... just wanted you to spell it out... ;)

[chunky79]

oh ok, make me do extra meaningless work then, thanks so much. but if katy does win, which i still dont think they will, then i say we will finish 8-2 and then end up somewhere around either 11-3 or 12-3.

[KT2000]

I learned my "one game at a time" lesson for good after 2002 and 2003. There are a few programs I'd never try and make an end-game prediction for this early, regardless of their record, and Katy is one of them.

This Katy team needs to continue growing, and Cypress Bay is another opportunity to do just that.

[chunky79]

I learned my "one game at a time" lesson for good after 2002 and 2003. There are a few programs I'd never try and make an end-game prediction for this early, regardless of their record, and Katy is one of them.

This Katy team needs to continue growing, and Cypress Bay is another opportunity to do just that.

there are some lessons in life that i refuse to learn, this happens to be one of them. heck, i've been right the past 3 years. called losing state, called losing in the regional semifinal and i called winning state.

[Dynastybegan86]

Well, like the Miami Herald posted yesterday...."a STRONG team is coming to Texas and this is the right time to catch Katy being that they are 2-2 and already have a 47-0 loss"..

My question is...... "What if Katy WINS this game?"

Well then my good fan.....clearing throat...@#!%$&*......using my best preaching voice...


The CHOIR that is the RED SEA shall SING LOUDLY and those who prophesied against the great Tiger SHAAALLLLLL be CAST down into the wells of dispair! They shall KNOOOOOW the error of their ways and they shall be SMITTEN forever. Take heed my beloved Red Brethren, for the TIIIIIIME is at hand! AMEN! :eek:


God Bless all the CyBay fans as they travel.:)

[chunky79]

Well then my good fan.....clearing throat...@#!%$&*......using my best preaching voice...


The CHOIR that is the RED SEA shall SING LOUDLY and those who prophesied against the great Tiger SHAAALLLLLL be CAST down into the wells of dispair! They shall KNOOOOOW the error of their ways and they shall be SMITTEN forever. Take heed my beloved Red Brethren, for the TIIIIIIME is at hand! AMEN! :eek:


God Bless all the CyBay fans as they travel.:)

what the ... i wish there was a smiley with one eyebrow raised with a look of confusion...cuz thats what i would put here

[Pool Man]

Well then my good fan.....clearing throat...@#!%$&*......using my best preaching voice...


The CHOIR that is the RED SEA shall SING LOUDLY and those who prophesied against the great Tiger SHAAALLLLLL be CAST down into the wells of dispair! They shall KNOOOOOW the error of their ways and they shall be SMITTEN forever. Take heed my beloved Red Brethren, for the TIIIIIIME is at hand! AMEN! :eek:


God Bless all the CyBay fans as they travel.:)

I've heard that preaching voice and I have to say that you do it quite well!:D

[ktCarl]

Pahokee vs. 5-time state champion, #1 team in the country
Cypress Bay vs. 5-time state champion, defending 5A-II champion
North Miami Beach vs. 22-time state champion

Say what you want but once again Florida puts itself on the line far more than any other state.

Neither Cypress Bay nor North Miami Beach have ever played for a state championship.

Pahokee has only won small school championships.

And of course all of our teams are on the road this weekend.

Any of you Florida guys that are posting here going to be in Texas for this game?
It would be a good time to meet and put some faces to names.

[Hitman49]

Pahokee vs. 5-time state champion, #1 team in the country
Cypress Bay vs. 5-time state champion, defending 5A-II champion
North Miami Beach vs. 22-time state champion

Say what you want but once again Florida puts itself on the line far more than any other state.

Neither Cypress Bay nor North Miami Beach have ever played for a state championship.

Pahokee has only won small school championships.

And of course all of our teams are on the road this weekend.


Cane- Florida schools have been wanting these games! Don't act like there is long history of this. The first darn time you brought in 3 good OOS teams to play against the best S. Florida has they all got beat. Also, history shows that many schools from out of state have traveled into Florida.

All these games this year between FL schools vs OOS teams, has only confirmed to me that the Florida depth of quality teams is not that great.

If Cy-Bay gets beat by this Katy team that has already been defeated 47-0 it will be too funny. You Florida people are already in shock with all the defeats this year against OOS comp. This may cause a total melt down in South Florida.

[Canes0177]

Byrnes has 8 state titles, not 5.

You're right. 5 since 2002.

[Canes0177]

Well, like the Miami Herald posted yesterday...."a STRONG team is coming to Texas and this is the right time to catch Katy being that they are 2-2 and already have a 47-0 loss"..

My question is......"What if Katy WINS this game?"

And they picked that "strong" team by 3.

If Cypress Bay had their DC from last year I'd be sure of a win. But their defense has underperformed so far this season.

[KT2000]

Canes, Katy runs a pro-style offense. It seems like most teams these days either run a spread or some kind of option. Is there anyone Cypress Bay would have seen that'd prepare them for that kind of offense? Granted, Katy isn't firing on all cylinders right now but the pieces look like they are starting to improve. It takes Katy a while to get everything down because it is a diverse, West Coast style offense.

I can tell you Katy's seen the Wing T several times over the years and played a flexbone team last week. North Shore, Marcus and The Woodlands all had very big offensive lines. North Shore and Marcus were teams that liked to pound the football. Neither one had great success against Katy's defense. North Shore scored 10 and Marcus scored 14.

How much of an impact do you think the scheme aspect of it will have on Cypress Bay?

[Canes0177]

Cane- Florida schools have been wanting these games! Don't act like there is long history of this. The first darn time you brought in 3 good OOS teams to play against the best S. Florida has they all got beat. Also, history shows that many schools from out of state have traveled into Florida.

All these games this year between FL schools vs OOS teams, has only confirmed to me that the Florida depth of quality teams is not that great.

If Cy-Bay gets beat by this Katy team that has already been defeated 47-0 it will be too funny. You Florida people are already in shock with all the defeats this year against OOS comp. This may cause a total melt down in South Florida.

Exactly. You are making my point.

Our teams always play these games against powerhouse programs from other states and mostly away from home.

Right. :rolleyes:

Apopka - hasn't played for state title in 7 years

vs.

South Panola - 80 straight wins, 5 straight state titles


Lincoln - hasn't played for state title in 7 years

vs.

Byrnes - 19 straight wins, 5 state titles in 6 years


And the Poly, Hamilton, Olive Branch and Colorado games were our preseason week. Nobody else is expected to play 11 competitive games....except us.

And those Colorado teams played the most mediocre group of teams I've ever seen.

[dada]

And they picked that "strong" team by 3.

If Cypress Bay had their DC from last year I'd be sure of a win. But their defense has underperformed so far this season.

From what I've read...their D has been pretty decent....Two comfortable wins and a win in which the defense was the reason they won the game. Isn't Boyd Anderson a pretty good team? What about Dillard? Where is the defense lacking, passing game, running game? or just underacheiving so far? Reading other message boards, many are saying the linebackers are the ONLY d they have. Are they carring the load?

[Canes0177]

Canes, Katy runs a pro-style offense. It seems like most teams these days either run a spread or some kind of option. Is there anyone Cypress Bay would have seen that'd prepare them for that kind of offense? Granted, Katy isn't firing on all cylinders right now but the pieces look like they are starting to improve. It takes Katy a while to get everything down because it is a diverse, West Coast style offense.

I can tell you Katy's seen the Wing T several times over the years and played a flexbone team last week. North Shore, Marcus and The Woodlands all had very big offensive lines. North Shore and Marcus were teams that liked to pound the football. Neither one had great success against Katy's defense. North Shore scored 10 and Marcus scored 14.

How much of an impact do you think the scheme aspect of it will have on Cypress Bay?

Cypress Bay had a bye week after playing on a Thursday. They will have had a long time to prepare.

Dillard runs something similar. Pro-style out of the I. And they have more athletes than Katy. But much less crisp and organized.

[Canes0177]

From what I've read...their D has been pretty decent....Two comfortable wins and a win in which the defense was the reason they won the game. Isn't Boyd Anderson a pretty good team? What about Dillard? Where is the defense lacking, passing game, running game? or just underacheiving so far? Reading other message boards, many are saying the linebackers are the ONLY d they have. Are they carring the load?

They are ranked around #20 in the county in total defense.

They don't have any D1 kids outside of the linebackers.

[dada]

They are ranked around #20 in the county in total defense.

They don't have any D1 kids outside of the linebackers.

That's probably 3 more than what Katy has....:D

[KT2000]

Cypress Bay had a bye week after playing on a Thursday. They will have had a long time to prepare.

Dillard runs something similar. Pro-style out of the I. And they have more athletes than Katy. But much less crisp and organized.

Katy bases from multiple I variations. The offense is based on establishing the run, and then hitting playaction to keep people off balance.

I have Dillard on tape from the year they went to state (want to say it's from 03, but haven't watched it recently). They had a fun team to watch.

As far as the organized comment is concerned, I saw Boyd Anderson had something like 175 yards in penalties against CB a few weeks ago? I can't say I've ever seen that before.

[dada]

Katy bases from multiple I variations. The offense is based on establishing the run, and then hitting playaction to keep people off balance.

I have Dillard on tape from the year they went to state (want to say it's from 03, but haven't watched it recently). They had a fun team to watch.

As far as the organized comment is concerned, I saw Boyd Anderson had something like 175 yards in penalties against CB a few weeks ago? I can't say I've ever seen that before.

I thought that was a typo....but yep....they almost racked up 200 yards in penalties and it was still a close game...talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[Hitman49]

Exactly. You are making my point.

Our teams always play these games against powerhouse programs from other states and mostly away from home.

Right. :rolleyes:

Apopka - hasn't played for state title in 7 years

vs.

South Panola - 80 straight wins, 5 straight state titles

One hit wonder...


Lincoln - hasn't played for state title in 7 years

vs.

Byrnes - 19 straight wins, 5 state titles in 6 years


And the Poly, Hamilton, Olive Branch and Colorado games were our preseason week. Nobody else is expected to play 11 competitive games....except us.

And those Colorado teams played the most mediocre group of teams I've ever seen.

Hold on, this is Florida that has all this great team speed and has all these great teams. Stop making excusses about your teams getting smoked on Aug 31. I would say the practice time for these teams were fairly even coming into the game. Oh, did you forget these team traveled into your backyard and took 2 of the games with little problem. When did Florida Schools Start Practice? Texas 5A schools started on Aug 11th and we played games starting on the same labor day weekend that your boys got smoked in Miami.

The games in Miami were basically created to show case the great talent in South Florida. I have not seen a team this year in Florida that is half the team MNW was last year!!

[Redhoss]

Well then my good fan.....clearing throat...@#!%$&*......using my best preaching voice...


The CHOIR that is the RED SEA shall SING LOUDLY and those who prophesied against the great Tiger SHAAALLLLLL be CAST down into the wells of dispair! They shall KNOOOOOW the error of their ways and they shall be SMITTEN forever. Take heed my beloved Red Brethren, for the TIIIIIIME is at hand! AMEN! :eek:


God Bless all the CyBay fans as they travel.:)

:notworthy

[Dynastybegan86]

:notworthy

Why thank you Hoss! I really wanted to throw something in there about chickens and coming home to roost, but I digress.:D

[Texasfrog]

And they picked that "strong" team by 3.

If Cypress Bay had their DC from last year I'd be sure of a win. But their defense has underperformed so far this season.

Their still the #5th ranked (6A) team in Florida.

And let see, the #12th overall ranked team in Florida.:rolleyes:

Looks like a lot of voters across Florida dont seem to think Cy-Bay losing their DC is that big a deal.;)

Espcecially since many of them keep saying Cy-Bay has a good shot at making the 6A Title game or at least making a strong run for it.

[Texasfrog]

They are ranked around #20 in the county in total defense.

They don't have any D1 kids outside of the linebackers.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2008-09/42443872.jpg

I guess you're forgetting about DB #1 Carl Miles who already has offers from Middle Tennessee and Western Michigan.;)

Dang you dont know anything blah blah blah.

[Texasfrog]

Pahokee vs. 5-time state champion, #1 team in the country
Cypress Bay vs. 5-time state champion, defending 5A-II champion. Katy is replacing like 85% of their team from last year. That was a Katy senior laden team that sent several "studs" into D-1A football. Not even close to being anywhere like last years Katy team but nice try;)



North Miami Beach vs. 22-time state champion John Curtis. John Curtis is a great HS Private school program. But hey, this is South Florida superior HS football. The best in the nation.
Say what you want but once again Florida puts itself on the line far more than any other state. Not so sure about that. But, I also think many in South Florida got cocky believing in all the crap and it's biting them bigtime now. They are finding out that there is some really strong HS football in several other parts of the nation.

Neither Cypress Bay nor North Miami Beach have ever played for a state championship. So.... Cypress Bay is freaking a top ranked Florida team that is less then 10 years old.

Pahokee has only won small school championships. Hasnt kept them from being proclamined by many Florida Polls over the past 10 years as a top #5 Florida HS team. Now your spin is their just a small school.:rolleyes:

And of course all of our teams are on the road this weekend.

Again, these are teams from World Class HS football region of the Galaxy.
The Homefield didnt help Pahokee, BTW or MNW at Traz Stadium did it. Oh ya, I keep forgetting those games dont count "LMAO." But the STA and Lakeland games the same weekend do. Go figure.:rolleyes:..

[steeler 01]

Oh, did you forget these team traveled into your backyard and took 2 of the games with little problem.
Earlier you said kids traveling to another state has no effect. Now you use it to beat up on the teams that lost at home. LMAO. You sir have just about graduated from Frog U.;);):D

[steeler 01]

Earlier you said kids traveling to another state has no effect. Now you use it to beat up on the teams that lost at home. LMAO. You sir have just about graduated from Frog U.;);):D

One more thing. Since Farmerfan hasn't taken Frog's thunder away yet. We know steeler01 CE sucks we know.;):D

[Texasfrog]

Hold on, this is Florida that has all this great team speed and has all these great teams. Stop making excusses about your teams getting smoked on Aug 31. I would say the practice time for these teams were fairly even coming into the game. Oh, did you forget these team traveled into your backyard and took 2 of the games with little problem. When did Florida Schools Start Practice? Texas 5A schools started on Aug 11th and we played games starting on the same labor day weekend that your boys got smoked in Miami.

The games in Miami were basically created to show case the great talent in South Florida. I have not seen a team this year in Florida that is half the team MNW was last year!!

Amen..;)

But, remember Hitman, those games played in Miami's Traz Stadium dont count. Those were just scrimmages that dont count.. "LMAO."

But, the St.Thomas Aquinas and Lakeland games played the same weekend do count. Funny how that works isnt it.;)

There isnt a team in Dade or Boward Co. that is close to the 2006 or 2007 MNW team. I'm sure CANE is going to "spin it" that there is 4 or 5 teams in the South Florida region on par with last years MNW team but there isnt.

Not even this years STA team. They (STA) dont have the QB, DL, LB's and as far as I'm concerned the WR' tandem that the 2007 MNW had.;)

[DownSouth]

Hold on, this is Florida that has all this great team speed and has all these great teams. Stop making excusses about your teams getting smoked on Aug 31. I would say the practice time for these teams were fairly even coming into the game. Oh, did you forget these team traveled into your backyard and took 2 of the games with little problem. When did Florida Schools Start Practice? Texas 5A schools started on Aug 11th and we played games starting on the same labor day weekend that your boys got smoked in Miami.

The games in Miami were basically created to show case the great talent in South Florida. I have not seen a team this year in Florida that is half the team MNW was last year!!

He isnt making excusues, just stating facts. The Florida high school football season started September 1, 2008. Anything before that was unofficial in Florida. The OOS games that did count before Sept. 1 had those teams drop a game from their already completed 10 game Regular season schedule as Aquinas did by dropiing their non-district opponent Everglades.

Those teams got smoked for various reasons anyway:

1. MNW just flat out could not replace everyone. Graduate 8 guys to Miami and another couple to USF and see what you get. Answer: look at what happened to Katy. Poly is just better, simple. MNW now has a new QB who will have them back on the road to a possible title run.

2. Booker T. - Same as MNW. They sent about 12 guys to D1 schools, its just too much to restock for a public school that has to share talent with numerous other schools all within a few miles of them. Their QB, Moise, only played a half of that game as well. Had he not been injured they more than likely still lose but the game becomes a shootout instead. Maybe a 42-37 type of score instead of the actual result.

3. Pahokee- Well, that was just a joke. Thompson obviously thought it to be a preseason game as his team went up 47-20 by the end of the third. They (OB) put 14 up on 2nd and 3rd stringers and recovered a fumble by the 3rd string runningback on a kickoff. The Pahokee 1st offense was back in for the final series and nearly pulled it out.

The reason you haven't seen a team that was half of Northwestern last year is because there isnt one. That team was a once every 50 years type of team, one where 4-5 guys from the 08-09 classes will most likely play in the NFL. (Forston, Spence, their JR. DT who is a beast, possibly Harris, Aldarius Johnson, maybe more)

Nobody will deny that Florida is in a down year this year. Booker T, MNW, and all of the top schools from last year have seen a drop-off except for St. Thomas (we all know why, no reason to start that up).

6A specifically is down to the point that a Broward school may have the best chance at the title, ecspecially if Deerfield Beach beats St. Thomas (again) then they will be favored.

The power teams this year are in 5A and 4A: St. Thomas, Lakeland looks good, 2A Madison County hasn't played enough yet but half their roster will be going to FSU, Plant has Aaron Murray (but no O-line), and I know alot of you didn't think much of Armwood and I myself don't believe that they're the 2nd best team in the country as they were recently ranked, but I know that they do have a top 5 national defense. That D is special and would shut out any team you put against them. Any team.

If all you have to hang the "Florida is crap" line on is the Aug. 31 rule mandated pre season games then you have nothing.

CB may lose, NMB most likely falls to John Curtis, a very down Booker T. already fell to a Georgia team, and Pahokee should keep it close with Byrnes. - At least we send our top teams OOS even when they are shells of their former selves from last season. Apopka, geez, don't even go there.

[DownSouth]

Amen..;)

But, remember Hitman, those games played in Miami's Traz Stadium dont count. Those were just scrimmages that dont count.. "LMAO."

But, the St.Thomas Aquinas and Lakeland games played the same weekend do count. Funny how that works isnt it.;)

There isnt a team in Dade or Boward Co. that is close to the 2006 or 2007 MNW team. I'm sure CANE is going to "spin it" that there is 4 or 5 teams in the South Florida region on par with last years MNW team but there isnt.

Not even this years STA team. They (STA) dont have the QB, DL, LB's and as far as I'm concerned the WR' tandem that the 2007 MNW had.;)

No, not really. Both STA and Lakeland had to obtain waivers to have the game count and drop a regular season game (STA dropeed Everglades, not sure who Lakeland dropped). Lakeland also would have been the team going against South Panola except for the Polk County rule that would only allow them 1 OOS.

I doubt anyone would tell you there is a team anywhere near where MNW and Booker T. were last year, because there isnt. Maybe St. Thomas based off of level of talent and amount of sure D1 guys would have given them a great game, but I don't think they would've come out with a win. (Current STA would have most likely been favored over last year's Booker T. team though)

[rancher52]

No, not really. Both STA and Lakeland had to obtain waivers to have the game count and drop a regular season game (STA dropeed Everglades, not sure who Lakeland dropped). Lakeland also would have been the team going against South Panola except for the Polk County rule that would only allow them 1 OOS.

I doubt anyone would tell you there is a team anywhere near where MNW and Booker T. were last year, because there isnt. Maybe St. Thomas based off of level of talent and amount of sure D1 guys would have given them a great game, but I don't think they would've come out with a win. (Current STA would have most likely been favored over last year's Booker T. team though)

Downsouth or Canes if you see this -- didn't the FHSAA used to have a limit on the number of OOS games with non-bordering states a few years ago (I think it was 1 game)? When I saw that Polk has this restriction a few months ago it made me think I had seen that sometime in the past.

[Texasfrog]

No, not really. Both STA and Lakeland had to obtain waivers to have the game count and drop a regular season game (STA dropeed Everglades, not sure who Lakeland dropped). Lakeland also would have been the team going against South Panola except for the Polk County rule that would only allow them 1 OOS.

I doubt anyone would tell you there is a team anywhere near where MNW and Booker T. were last year, because there isnt. Maybe St. Thomas based off of level of talent and amount of sure D1 guys would have given them a great game, but I don't think they would've come out with a win. (Current STA would have most likely been favored over last year's Booker T. team though)

DownSouth, No disrespect because you seem like a straight shooter guy. Not like Cane that wants to call me a liar everytime I put something on the board.

But, my point is this about those Labor Day games. I dont really care about waivers or any of that administration stuff. The point is those games were played. Teams got on the fields and played a 48 minute High School game.

Do you think those OOS teams came all the way to Miami, Fl to play in a scrimmage game ? My point is those South Florida teams lost in Traz Stadium and now all you here is "Those games dont count.":rolleyes::rolleyes:

Like Joe Rose (sports radio announcer said on the radio here in Miami to a guy), "If the St.Thomas Aquinas game counts as a "W" then the MNW, BTW and Pahokee games count as "L's.";)

I also agree with you. There isnt a team in South Florida (Dade, Broward or Palm Co) that is near the 2007 MNW team. Not even STA because STA doesnt have the QB, WR tandems, DL or LB near MNW level.

But, I also agree that STA is the best team in South Florida this year. I would also take this years STA team over last years BTW team but it would be a close fight.

[DownSouth]

DownSouth, No disrespect because you seem like a straight shooter guy. Not like Cane that wants to call me a liar everytime I put something on the board.

But, my point is this about those Labor Day games. I dont really care about waivers or any of that administration stuff. The point is those games were played. Teams got on the fields and played a 48 minute High School game.

Do you think those OOS teams came all the way to Miami, Fl to play in a scrimmage game ? My point is those South Florida teams lost in Traz Stadium and now all you here is "Those games dont count.":rolleyes::rolleyes:

Like Joe Rose (sports radio announcer said on the radio here in Miami to a guy), "If the St.Thomas Aquinas game counts as a "W" then the MNW, BTW and Pahokee games count as "L's.";)

I also agree with you. There isnt a team in South Florida (Dade, Broward or Palm Co) that is near the 2007 MNW team. Not even STA because STA doesnt have the QB, WR tandems, DL or LB near MNW level.

But, I also agree that STA is the best team in South Florida this year. I would also take this years STA team over last years BTW team but it would be a close fight.


In regards to the OOS games. It is my understanding that Olive Branch knew that this game would be counted by Mississippi and that it would not count in Florida. Either way it was a very good way to get their names out there as I had never heard of OB or Hamilton before these games.

If it was just about conceding a loss then I would be spinning the BTW loss to the Georgia team when in fact they were just not as good (though their QB Moise was out for that game as well, had he played that too would have been a shootout loss most likely, 45-42 type of game). The main thing though, is that unlike the loss to Hamilton, the Booker T. loss to I think it was Northside was in the regular season.

In this case, and believe me, I find it stupid too, these games didn't count. Because of this two weaker teams were beat and one clearly stronger team (Pahokee) cost themselves soem spots in national polls, but not much else due to their 4th quarter decision.

Now, Poly is better than MNW this year no doubt in my mind. Booker T. is most likely on the same level as Hamilton but the score does not represent that as the QB Moise was injured for the entire second half. Hamilton is probably a bit stronger and more complete of a team this year.

The only issue that Floridians have is the Pahokee game. We know they're better than OB and that is why we try to explain the circumstance for those that may not understand why they made the choice to pull starters up 47-20 at the end of the 3rd.

Our power teams have changed as well. When they were BTW, MNW, STA last year, they are now instead Lakeland, STA, Armwood, and if Pahokee can keep it close with Byrnes add them to the list. Deerfield as well if they beat STA in November. Madison County may find their way up there too.

We're getting beat, but its not our best that are falling. Byrnes-Pahokee will be our state's first true matchup against a national top team against one of our best (Pahokee is probably #3 or #4 in the state depending on which poll you look at, no lower than #5 though.)

[Texasfrog]

In regards to the OOS games. It is my understanding that Olive Branch knew that this game would be counted by Mississippi and that it would not count in Florida. Either way it was a very good way to get their names out there as I had never heard of OB or Hamilton before these games.

If it was just about conceding a loss then I would be spinning the BTW loss to the Georgia team when in fact they were just not as good (though their QB Moise was out for that game as well, had he played that too would have been a shootout loss most likely, 45-42 type of game). The main thing though, is that unlike the loss to Hamilton, the Booker T. loss to I think it was Northside was in the regular season.

In this case, and believe me, I find it stupid too, these games didn't count. Because of this two weaker teams were beat and one clearly stronger team (Pahokee) cost themselves soem spots in national polls, but not much else due to their 4th quarter decision.

Now, Poly is better than MNW this year no doubt in my mind. Booker T. is most likely on the same level as Hamilton but the score does not represent that as the QB Moise was injured for the entire second half. Hamilton is probably a bit stronger and more complete of a team this year.

The only issue that Floridians have is the Pahokee game. We know they're better than OB and that is why we try to explain the circumstance for those that may not understand why they made the choice to pull starters up 47-20 at the end of the 3rd.

Our power teams have changed as well. When they were BTW, MNW, STA last year, they are now instead Lakeland, STA, Armwood, and if Pahokee can keep it close with Byrnes add them to the list. Deerfield as well if they beat STA in November. Madison County may find their way up there too.

We're getting beat, but its not our best that are falling. Byrnes-Pahokee will be our state's first true matchup against a national top team against one of our best (Pahokee is probably #3 or #4 in the state depending on which poll you look at, no lower than #5 though.)

I agree with you. But, MNW & BTW are still regarded pretty high at least on the South Florida polls.

South Florida Top #20

#3 Cypress Bay vs Katy (Texas unranked team)
#4 MNW
#10 North Miami Beach vs John Curtis (Louisiana Top #5)
#12 BTW

As far as Pahokee goes. I havent seen much of them this year. The tragedy with one of their players can either motivate them or make the flat. I dont know. But, I do agree that Pahokee is a Florida Top #5 team somewhere.

I think Armwood and STA are probably better then Pahokee however.

Lakeland ?? Last weeks game with Boyd Anderson didnt give me any style points for Lakeland.

Plus, the Pennsylvania team they (Lakeland) beat just got smoked tonight by Penn Hills like 30-6.

I'm planning on going to next weeks Cypress Bay vs Miramar game.

[Ferox]

It's their not there.

Thank you kind sir. :):D:D

[DownSouth]

I agree with you. But, MNW & BTW are still regarded pretty high at least on the South Florida polls.

South Florida Top #20

#3 Cypress Bay vs Katy (Texas unranked team)
#4 MNW
#10 North Miami Beach vs John Curtis (Louisiana Top #5)
#12 BTW

As far as Pahokee goes. I havent seen much of them this year. The tragedy with one of their players can either motivate them or make the flat. I dont know. But, I do agree that Pahokee is a Florida Top #5 team somewhere.

I think Armwood and STA are probably better then Pahokee however.

Lakeland ?? Last weeks game with Boyd Anderson didnt give me any style points for Lakeland.

Plus, the Pennsylvania team they (Lakeland) beat just got smoked tonight by Penn Hills like 30-6.

I'm planning on going to next weeks Cypress Bay vs Miramar game.


MNW has the #4 spot in S. Fla because they have no official losses yet and now have Tymes starting at QB and the former starter at WR, where they both should have been. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in a regional final with the current lineup, they're very young and they will for sure be back next year.

We will learn alot about Lakeland once they play Killian. Killian looks to be back, and I'm willing to give Lakeland a pass on the BA game, they still managed a win despite playing equally as awful as BA did. I never gave that Pitt. team much credit either, they graduated alot of player's from last year's title team and they're slow...very slow. Lakeland is young though and will be right there with STA next year for the 5A title and may have a 1 out of 5 shot this year at beating STA since they have a great history of close matchups.

Cypress is one of the teams that I follow but I honestly don't think they will be able to stop that Miramar offense, I hope they study the game tape from last year's Miaramar-STA game closely, that will prove pivotal if they just steal tha STA gameplan and execute it enough to hold Miramar below 30.

CB will win easy if they can get Douglas going with the running game and keep smith on the bench, but this game essentially is for the district title and Miramar will not go down easy. Nobody gives Miramar enough credit, while they all forget that Eugene Smith based on ability is a Top 25 QB in the country...but is a bonehead who has not shown that he is mature enough to be THE MAN like Jacory Harris was (I still would tell anyone that Eugene is much more dynamic than Harris, but Harris is as smart as they come).

NMB is about right, they're #10 out of only Miami and Broward...looks okay to me, I still doubt they beat John Curtis.

I don't know mutch about JC other than they win alot, but I think its great that we're sending our #27 team (http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518) to go against a Louisiana's Top 5.

Hopefully they can keep it close and maybe come out with a pretty decent upset win.

[DownSouth]

Downsouth or Canes if you see this -- didn't the FHSAA used to have a limit on the number of OOS games with non-bordering states a few years ago (I think it was 1 game)? When I saw that Polk has this restriction a few months ago it made me think I had seen that sometime in the past.


This is def something that Canes would know about, possibly some of the people over at Fla Varsity as well that are very well versed with this.

I remember seeing a thread on this I think on Fla Varsity about this but I may be wrong as I usually only read these forumns and don't often post so it may have been over on the Florida Scout board. Michael L over at FlaVarsity would know better than anyone though.

[chunky79]

ok, we dont care about the other florida teams, this is katy vs cybay.

[Texasfrog]

MNW has the #4 spot in S. Fla because they have no official losses yet and now have Tymes starting at QB and the former starter at WR, where they both should have been. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in a regional final with the current lineup, they're very young and they will for sure be back next year.

We will learn alot about Lakeland once they play Killian. Killian looks to be back, and I'm willing to give Lakeland a pass on the BA game, they still managed a win despite playing equally as awful as BA did. I never gave that Pitt. team much credit either, they graduated alot of player's from last year's title team and they're slow...very slow. Lakeland is young though and will be right there with STA next year for the 5A title and may have a 1 out of 5 shot this year at beating STA since they have a great history of close matchups.

Cypress is one of the teams that I follow but I honestly don't think they will be able to stop that Miramar offense, I hope they study the game tape from last year's Miaramar-STA game closely, that will prove pivotal if they just steal tha STA gameplan and execute it enough to hold Miramar below 30.

CB will win easy if they can get Douglas going with the running game and keep smith on the bench, but this game essentially is for the district title and Miramar will not go down easy. Nobody gives Miramar enough credit, while they all forget that Eugene Smith based on ability is a Top 25 QB in the country...but is a bonehead who has not shown that he is mature enough to be THE MAN like Jacory Harris was (I still would tell anyone that Eugene is much more dynamic than Harris, but Harris is as smart as they come).

NMB is about right, they're #10 out of only Miami and Broward...looks okay to me, I still doubt they beat John Curtis.

I don't know mutch about JC other than they win alot, but I think its great that we're sending our #27 team (http://flavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=957&CID=848518) to go against a Louisiana's Top 5.

Hopefully they can keep it close and maybe come out with a pretty decent upset win.

Last year Longview was about #27th overall in Texas and they beat John Curtis. It was a tough game and came down to the final minutes.

But Longview was about #27th in Texas (overall) and John Curtis was a legit top (#3) Louisiana team.

[Canes0177]

Their still the #5th ranked (6A) team in Florida.

And let see, the #12th overall ranked team in Florida.:rolleyes:

Looks like a lot of voters across Florida dont seem to think Cy-Bay losing their DC is that big a deal.;)

Espcecially since many of them keep saying Cy-Bay has a good shot at making the 6A Title game or at least making a strong run for it.

Based off what? They've played 3 games. One of them against Western. They are ranked based off expectations.

[Canes0177]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2008-09/42443872.jpg

I guess you're forgetting about DB #1 Carl Miles who already has offers from Middle Tennessee and Western Michigan.;)

Dang you dont know anything blah blah blah.

I know all about Carl Miles. He was at Aquinas as a freshmen and sophomore. Nice kid. Hardly a lock to D1.

[Canes0177]

Cypress Bay a top-ranked Florida team?

In what way? They are #12 in the all-class poll and #5 in the 6A poll.

How is that top-ranked?

[Texasfrog]

I know all about Carl Miles. He was at Aquinas as a freshmen and sophomore. Nice kid. Hardly a lock to D1.

What, he couldnt compete against all the other STA transfers ??:D

Well, since he has two offers right now according to Rivals I would say he is on his way.

The point is you tried to tell someone that the only D1 kids they (Cy-Bay) had on defense was the 3 LB's which is totally wrong.;)

[Texasfrog]

Based off what? They've played 3 games. One of them against Western. They are ranked based off expectations.

Ask the Florida voters.;) They all seem to think Cypress Bay deserves their #3 South Florida ranking and #5th Florida 6A ranking.;)

Not me saying it Cane. It's the Florida voters.

[Canes0177]

Amen..;)

But, remember Hitman, those games played in Miami's Traz Stadium dont count. Those were just scrimmages that dont count.. "LMAO."

But, the St.Thomas Aquinas and Lakeland games played the same weekend do count. Funny how that works isnt it.;)

There isnt a team in Dade or Boward Co. that is close to the 2006 or 2007 MNW team. I'm sure CANE is going to "spin it" that there is 4 or 5 teams in the South Florida region on par with last years MNW team but there isnt.

Not even this years STA team. They (STA) dont have the QB, DL, LB's and as far as I'm concerned the WR' tandem that the 2007 MNW had.;)

Lakeland and Aquinas = OOS game part of 10-game schedule.
Miami teams = OOS games NOT part of 10-game schedule.

Simple.

But Frog is just an idiot. So there's no hope.

[ftballin11]

ok everybody, its time to make your predictions and why.

[Texasfrog]

Cypress Bay a top-ranked Florida team?

In what way? are #12 in the all-class poll and #5 in the 6A poll.

How is that top-ranked?

Wow Cane, You're really freaking parnoid that Cypress Bay is going to lose to Katy arent you ?

You totally hate the fact that many of the Florida voters are giving Cypress Bay so much respect right now.

All I know Cane is Cypress Bay has beaten Dillard and Boyd Anderson.

Now, if you dont think being #5 in the Florida 6A Poll and #12 in the Florida overall HS Poll isnt pretty high ranked then I cant help you.

Florida football magazine says 517 HS Football teams in Florida. I would say being considered a top #12 overall out of 517 teams is pretty darn good.

PS. In case you mised the Memo. Katy isnt even on any Texas polls at all. No Texas 5A Polls and damn sure no Texas overall Polls.

This is a Florida Top #12 team taking on a Texas team that is probably in the #40'ish Texas overall rank right now.;););)

So you shouldnt have anything at all to worry about right.. Should be a blowout in favor of Cypress Bay because the HS football in Florida and especailly South Florida is way better.;)

[Canes0177]

DownSouth, No disrespect because you seem like a straight shooter guy. Not like Cane that wants to call me a liar everytime I put something on the board.

But, my point is this about those Labor Day games. I dont really care about waivers or any of that administration stuff. The point is those games were played. Teams got on the fields and played a 48 minute High School game.

Do you think those OOS teams came all the way to Miami, Fl to play in a scrimmage game ? My point is those South Florida teams lost in Traz Stadium and now all you here is "Those games dont count.":rolleyes::rolleyes:

Like Joe Rose (sports radio announcer said on the radio here in Miami to a guy), "If the St.Thomas Aquinas game counts as a "W" then the MNW, BTW and Pahokee games count as "L's.";)

I also agree with you. There isnt a team in South Florida (Dade, Broward or Palm Co) that is near the 2007 MNW team. Not even STA because STA doesnt have the QB, WR tandems, DL or LB near MNW level.

But, I also agree that STA is the best team in South Florida this year. I would also take this years STA team over last years BTW team but it would be a close fight.

I don't beat around the bush. You have stated so many things that aren't true that I can only assume that you are a liar.

Hundreds of Florida schools plays 48 minute preseason games in August. None of them are counted. But all of the sudden they should count?

Joe Rose is misinformed like you are. No big deal. But when somebody informs you that should be the end of it.

[Canes0177]

What, he couldnt compete against all the other STA transfers ??:D

Well, since he has two offers right now according to Rivals I would say he is on his way.

The point is you tried to tell someone that the only D1 kids they (Cy-Bay) had on defense was the 3 LB's which is totally wrong.;)

It's not totally wrong.

Has he signed yet? Is it February all of the sudden?

[Canes0177]

Wow Cane, You're really freaking parnoid that Cypress Bay is going to lose to Katy arent you ?

You totally hate the fact that many of the Florida voters are giving Cypress Bay so much respect right now.

All I know Cane is Cypress Bay has beaten Dillard and Boyd Anderson.

Now, if you dont think being #5 in the Florida 6A Poll and #12 in the Florida overall HS Poll isnt pretty high ranked then I cant help you.

Florida football magazine says 517 HS Football teams in Florida. I would say being considered a top #12 overall out of 517 teams is pretty darn good.

PS. In case you mised the Memo. Katy isnt even on any Texas polls at all. No Texas 5A Polls and damn sure no Texas overall Polls.

This is a Florida Top #12 team taking on a Texas team that is probably in the #40'ish Texas overall rank right now.;););)

So you shouldnt have anything at all to worry about right.. Should be a blowout in favor of Cypress Bay because the HS football in Florida and especailly South Florida is way better.;)

No. I'm stating a fact.

Being #12 is nowhere near "top ranked" by any means. Now you've changed it to "pretty high ranked" for some reason.

Soon you'll be saying they suck.

[farmerfan]

Might wanna rethink that Cane.
Frog and I have gone at it worse than anybody else on this board however, hes a freaking Seal.
He'd probably mess up just about anybody out there.

[ftballin11]

Not a bright one I see.

I guess when you lack mental capabilities you try to compensate by pretending to be a tough guy.

Yall need to go to bed. Damn yall will never agree so whats the point. All your going to do is get this thread locked when KT sees it.

[Dynastybegan86]

I'll take Katy by less than 10.

[ftballin11]

I'll take Katy by less than 10.

Thank you its bout tim someone gave a prediction. But i would like to know y?

[jc84chill]

Calm down guys...no need to get so worked up.

Suggestion: Take a break from the boards and come back tomorrow.

[Texasfrog]

No. I'm stating a fact.

Being #12 is nowhere near "top ranked" by any means. Now you've changed it to "pretty high ranked" for some reason.

Soon you'll be saying they suck.

Honestly it's you that is trying to "SPIN IT" that the #12 ranked overall Florida team sucks.

Too you being #12th in Florida is sorry or something. This is suppose to be Florida right ? This is suppose to be the mighty mighy Florida and especially South Florida football.

#12 OVERALL in Florida now according to you sucks. Funny,, Cant have anything to do with Cypress Bay playing against a unranked Texas team this Saturday..:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Dynastybegan86]

Thank you its bout tim someone gave a prediction. But i would like to know y?

Cause I think they can win. :eek:

I guess Katy has done very well against the run this year. GPNS had athletes and Katy held their own, plus Katy is at home. We will see what happens, but I think the Oline will be better this week with another week of practice under their belt. If Katy executes, they should be able to control the clock and that will be important, imo, on Saturday.

[steeler 01]

I'll take Katy by less than 10.

Cy-Bay by 7. 34-27

[Dynastybegan86]

Cy-Bay by 7. 34-27

Are you from FL?

[ftballin11]

Are you from FL?

No hes from Cali, All i know of him is every body says, WE know Clovis east Sucks.

[Dynastybegan86]

No hes from Cali, All i know of him is every body says, WE know Clovis east Sucks.

Well Ok, he predicts CB by 7, was going to ask if he had seen them play or had anything to ad.

[steeler 01]

Well Ok, he predicts CB by 7, was going to ask if he had seen them play or had anything to ad.

I have seen them play.

[DownSouth]

I'll be a homer and go Cypress Bay 24-22.

I would not be surprised to see that score in favor of Katy though.

Hopefully, the CB O-line does what they always do, act like a Texas O-line and eat up the Katy D-line and backers. If they take the line of scrimmage early then Jason Douglas will be near impossible to catch once he make it to the second and third levels of the defense.

I'll just give Katy the advantage for their O-line over the CB D-line but watch out for Shane Gordon who will be coming hard wherever the ball goes. Walker and Gamble are very good as well, they have 2 corners that are above average that can both make plays with the ball in the air.

The main key to the game: For Cypress, establish Jason Douglas. Simple

For Katy: Shut down Jason Douglas.

The CB D will make the plays that they need to, they give up somewhere in the mid 20's in points but on a goal line stand or a 4 and 1 from the their own 20 up by 4, they'll make the play.

If you stop the running game then Cypress is in BIG trouble, but if you give that kid a hole thisbig then he's GONE. The Katy O will get enough points to not lose, but they will have to make sure that Cypress doesn't put it away by bleeding the clock dry while still putting up 3-4 touchdowns with a trademark 13 play 78 yard drive. 12 runs with 1 pass.

Cypress 24-22.

[steeler 01]

No hes from Cali, All i know of him is every body says, WE know Clovis east Sucks.

Thats frog. Thats not everybody. Farmerfan sometimes mocks him, and says it to steal Frogs thunder.

[farmerfan]

Thats frog. Thats not everybody. Farmerfan sometimes mocks him, and says it to steal Frogs thunder.

HAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOL

Holy Hell thats great man.

Freaking Great. :notworthy

[Dynastybegan86]

I'll be a homer and go Cypress Bay 24-22.

I would not be surprised to see that score in favor of Katy though.

Hopefully, the CB O-line does what they always do, act like a Texas O-line and eat up the Katy D-line and backers. If they take the line of scrimmage early then Jason Douglas will be near impossible to catch once he make it to the second and third levels of the defense.

I'll just give Katy the advantage for their O-line over the CB D-line but watch out for Shane Gordon who will be coming hard wherever the ball goes. Walker and Gamble are very good as well, they have 2 corners that are above average that can both make plays with the ball in the air.

The main key to the game: For Cypress, establish Jason Douglas. Simple

For Katy: Shut down Jason Douglas.

The CB D will make the plays that they need to, they give up somewhere in the mid 20's in points but on a goal line stand or a 4 and 1 from the their own 20 up by 4, they'll make the play.

If you stop the running game then Cypress is in BIG trouble, but if you give that kid a hole thisbig then he's GONE. The Katy O will get enough points to not lose, but they will have to make sure that Cypress doesn't put it away by bleeding the clock dry while still putting up 3-4 touchdowns with a trademark 13 play 78 yard drive. 12 runs with 1 pass.

Cypress 24-22.


Thanks Down South, so the corners are above average? How are the DB's? Has anyone thrown on them with success?

[ftballin11]

I'll be a homer and go Cypress Bay 24-22.

I would not be surprised to see that score in favor of Katy though.

Hopefully, the CB O-line does what they always do, act like a Texas O-line and eat up the Katy D-line and backers. If they take the line of scrimmage early then Jason Douglas will be near impossible to catch once he make it to the second and third levels of the defense.

I'll just give Katy the advantage for their O-line over the CB D-line but watch out for Shane Gordon who will be coming hard wherever the ball goes. Walker and Gamble are very good as well, they have 2 corners that are above average that can both make plays with the ball in the air.

The main key to the game: For Cypress, establish Jason Douglas. Simple

For Katy: Shut down Jason Douglas.

The CB D will make the plays that they need to, they give up somewhere in the mid 20's in points but on a goal line stand or a 4 and 1 from the their own 20 up by 4, they'll make the play.

If you stop the running game then Cypress is in BIG trouble, but if you give that kid a hole thisbig then he's GONE. The Katy O will get enough points to not lose, but they will have to make sure that Cypress doesn't put it away by bleeding the clock dry while still putting up 3-4 touchdowns with a trademark 13 play 78 yard drive. 12 runs with 1 pass.

Cypress 24-22.

Thank you its good to see another perspective. Does Cybay run a 4-3 or 3-4.

[jc84chill]

I'll be a homer and go Cypress Bay 24-22.

I would not be surprised to see that score in favor of Katy though.

Hopefully, the CB O-line does what they always do, act like a Texas O-line and eat up the Katy D-line and backers. If they take the line of scrimmage early then Jason Douglas will be near impossible to catch once he make it to the second and third levels of the defense.

I'll just give Katy the advantage for their O-line over the CB D-line but watch out for Shane Gordon who will be coming hard wherever the ball goes. Walker and Gamble are very good as well, they have 2 corners that are above average that can both make plays with the ball in the air.

The main key to the game: For Cypress, establish Jason Douglas. Simple

For Katy: Shut down Jason Douglas.

The CB D will make the plays that they need to, they give up somewhere in the mid 20's in points but on a goal line stand or a 4 and 1 from the their own 20 up by 4, they'll make the play.

If you stop the running game then Cypress is in BIG trouble, but if you give that kid a hole thisbig then he's GONE. The Katy O will get enough points to not lose, but they will have to make sure that Cypress doesn't put it away by bleeding the clock dry while still putting up 3-4 touchdowns with a trademark 13 play 78 yard drive. 12 runs with 1 pass.

Cypress 24-22.

That's analysis that I like to read right there. Good post.

In the past, I would have given the Katy O-Line the advantage over anyone. But this season, the Oline has struggled quite a bit.

[Bass]

Thank you its good to see another perspective. Does Cybay run a 4-3 or 3-4.

I think I read they run a 3-3-5.

[DownSouth]

Thank you its good to see another perspective. Does Cybay run a 4-3 or 3-4.

It changes from situation to situation.

You may see 3 down lineman with Walker the outside linebacker lining up as a D-End to make 4. You may see 3 down lineman with Gordon on a timed Blitz up the middle or you could see 4 linebackers with a crept up center fielder that sits in the middle as Gordon comes hard up the middle again.

They are in their 1st year under this D coordinator (came over from Western) as Guandolo's longtime guy went to Miami Killian after last season. That could prove to be a big loss when CB goes against Miramar in a week. Had these two seemingly evenly matched teams played last year I would have been able to say alot more but that is what I've seen from them this year from a limited amount of tape.

[ftballin11]

I think I read they run a 3-3-5.


Hmm thats highly not recommended against Katy lol.;)

I guess they are use to playing spread, and will pull the safeties up.

[Bass]

Hmm thats highly not recommended against Katy lol.;)

I guess they are use to playing spread, and will pull the safeties up.

Who have we played that runs it?

[ftballin11]

Who have we played that runs it?

Its usually ran agains spread teams. I think they will adjust to the style of O that we run.

[DownSouth]

Thanks Down South, so the corners are above average? How are the DB's? Has anyone thrown on them with success?


The DB's are decent, but they don't have a true safety.

More like a bunch of natural corners filling up the secondary.

They haven't really played any teams that would throw the ball enough to fully explain. They got GASHED by Trabis Ward of Dillard in their opener, but still won by 15 or so. Ward is a player that will sign with a D1 school, and he usually come from the I formation on his runs.

But yes, Boyd Anderson did throw for about 140 yards with their dual threat QB, but they have ZERO discipline or gameplan, just a ton of athletes. This explains CB pretty well as a whole...http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/highschool/football/broward/sfl-flspboydfoot13sbsep13,0,2903467.story

Their game against cross town rival Western is moot as they just suck, no other way to dress that one up.

Dillard and BA throw a ton of athletes out there and wait to break big plays.

Essentially, CB will be playing the closest thing they've seen to themselves. Just picture Katy in Navy blue with Gold and with more speed at linebacker and tailback, just with a wing-T.

[cajun]

Last year Longview was about #27th overall in Texas and they beat John Curtis. It was a tough game and came down to the final minutes.

But Longview was about #27th in Texas (overall) and John Curtis was a legit top (#3) Louisiana team.

Longview #27 in the state of Texas last year, huh?....Good God-that's bad even for you....

I believe this very fine site(5A Texas Football) had Longview #8 or #9 in their final 5A poll last year...Which makes perfect sense since Longview went 4 deep in the 5A playoffs...

You got Longview at #27, huh frog...How bout posting that poll for us or better yet names the 26 teams in Texas that would beat Longview last year...Alot of 4A and 3A's, I would imagine...

Longview droped to 4A this year and is #2 in the state....

Anyways, enough of that garbage...

DownSouth, Curtis is one of our better programs...Doesn't matter if they are ranked 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,-25....Hard team to beat...Nothing fancy about them....Gonna pound the rock-maybe throw 5 passes...

Should be a great game-gonna try to make....Katy and CB will be a good game also....Would love to see it...

[rancher52]

This is def something that Canes would know about, possibly some of the people over at Fla Varsity as well that are very well versed with this.

I remember seeing a thread on this I think on Fla Varsity about this but I may be wrong as I usually only read these forumns and don't often post so it may have been over on the Florida Scout board. Michael L over at FlaVarsity would know better than anyone though.

DownSouth, I think I found it in the FHSAA Football Manual:

"201.01 Eligibility.
(1) Participation in the state series is voluntary and open to any full member senior high school varsity team provided:
(a) The school successfully sponsors a varsity program in the previous school year;
(b) The school’s varsity team competes in a minimum of four (4) regular season varsity contests or the necessary district contests, whichever is greater, during the current season;
(c) The school files a commitment to participate in the state series with the FHSAA Office by the specified deadline;
(d) A school must play not less than 60 percent of its regular season contests in the sport against FHSAA member schools; and
(e) A school must not take more than one trip per school year in the sport beyond the neighboring states of Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi.
(2) A school shall enter only one (1) team.

(3) A first-time member senior high school shall not be eligible to enter a team
into the FHSAA State Series in any sport in its two years of provisional membership, unless the school is created from the consolidation or division of existing member high schools and remains under the control of the same governing board. A continuing member school that is starting a new program or resuming a previously discontinued program shall not be eligible to enter a team into the state series until the school successfully sponsors a varsity program for a minimum of one school year."


Interesting that they consider Mississippi a neighboring state. This also must mean Polk County's rule is more restrictive since Lakeland had to back out of SP game because of their other OOS game.

[cajun]

Might wanna rethink that Cane.
Frog and I have gone at it worse than anybody else on this board however, hes a freaking Seal.
He'd probably mess up just about anybody out there.

Did we ever exactly figure out what high school Seal (ooops frog) attended in Texas last year?....:cool:

Not sure why it's a big secret....Probably classified information....(lol)

Unreal....

Wonder if frog's old high school or the one he's in now could win any OOS games?....

[dada]

My Prediction.....

Katy 23-21(Two touchdowns, Both Brandt receptions and 3 FG's by Raauuuuuuullllllll)

[Hitman49]

I don't beat around the bush. You have stated so many things that aren't true that I can only assume that you are a liar.

Hundreds of Florida schools plays 48 minute preseason games in August. None of them are counted. But all of the sudden they should count?

Joe Rose is misinformed like you are. No big deal. But when somebody informs you that should be the end of it.

Cane - Did the Florida schools want to win those scrimages. lol The fact you can't admit that your S. Florida teams got beat, only proves to me that you are a darn coward. You can bet your ***, if those fl teams had won all those games you would be talking a different game.

Also, stop acting like those teams from Florida did not take these games serious. Those teams wanted to win those games. Can someone please post when all the teams playing started practice??

[farmerfan]

I know nothing about Cy Bay Florida.

My prediction will strictly be on gut alone.

I say Katy 17 Cy Bay 14
Katy wins with a 50 yard game winning FG.

[Hitman49]

Earlier you said kids traveling to another state has no effect. Now you use it to beat up on the teams that lost at home. LMAO. You sir have just about graduated from Frog U.;);):D

Steeler, Maybe u missed understood. What I am saying, is that over the years traveling has not been a big factor in these out of state games. Cane was crying about all the florida schools playing on the road. I just wanted to point out how MNW, BTW, Pahokee all got beat in Florida. Now can you understand!!

[Pool Man]

I know nothing about Cy Bay Florida.

My prediction will strictly be on gut alone.

I say Katy 17 Cy Bay 14
Katy wins with a 50 yard game winning FG.

Raul is very good, but I don't know about a game winning field goal from 50 yards. One thing I haven't heard much about though is special teams. Katy is usually very disciplined in this area and the few mistakes they've made this year on special teams were very correctible and have probably been dealt with by now. I would like to know if anyone has any insight into CB's special teams. This could be a deciding factor come tomorrow.

[rancher52]

Cane - Did the Florida schools want to win those scrimages. lol The fact you can't admit that your S. Florida teams got beat, only proves to me that you are a darn coward. You can bet your ***, if those fl teams had won all those games you would be talking a different game.

Also, stop acting like those teams from Florida did not take these games serious. Those teams wanted to win those games. Can someone please post when all the teams playing started practice??

In Florida, per FHSAA, for the 2008 season the first practice was allowed on Monday August 11 (shorts and Helmets only); Thursday August 14, first practive where full pads and contact was allowed.

[Canes0177]

Might wanna rethink that Cane.
Frog and I have gone at it worse than anybody else on this board however, hes a freaking Seal.
He'd probably mess up just about anybody out there.

Don't say that. I might lose some confidence in the United States Navy.

[Canes0177]

Honestly it's you that is trying to "SPIN IT" that the #12 ranked overall Florida team sucks.

Too you being #12th in Florida is sorry or something. This is suppose to be Florida right ? This is suppose to be the mighty mighy Florida and especially South Florida football.

#12 OVERALL in Florida now according to you sucks. Funny,, Cant have anything to do with Cypress Bay playing against a unranked Texas team this Saturday..:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Again, when did I say they sucked?

You are such a liar and a dummy to boot. You don't tell the truth and even if you did you couldn't articulate it clearly.

[Canes0177]

Cane - Did the Florida schools want to win those scrimages. lol The fact you can't admit that your S. Florida teams got beat, only proves to me that you are a darn coward. You can bet your ***, if those fl teams had won all those games you would be talking a different game.

Also, stop acting like those teams from Florida did not take these games serious. Those teams wanted to win those games. Can someone please post when all the teams playing started practice??

Nowhere did I say they didn't take them seriously. Another fabrication from the Hitman/Frog alliance.

I'll say it: The Florida teams got beat.

Just like Lakeland got beat in their 2004 preseason game. Just like Aquinas got beat in their 2004 preseason game.

Those games didn't count either for the same reason.

[ftballin11]

Nowhere did I say they didn't take them seriously. Another fabrication from the Hitman/Frog alliance.

I'll say it: The Florida teams got beat.

Just like Lakeland got beat in their 2004 preseason game. Just like Aquinas got beat in their 2004 preseason game.

Those games didn't count either for the same reason.

But they were beat.

[Canes0177]

Cane - Did the Florida schools want to win those scrimages. lol The fact you can't admit that your S. Florida teams got beat, only proves to me that you are a darn coward. You can bet your ***, if those fl teams had won all those games you would be talking a different game.

Also, stop acting like those teams from Florida did not take these games serious. Those teams wanted to win those games. Can someone please post when all the teams playing started practice??

In Florida, per FHSAA, for the 2008 season the first practice was allowed on Monday August 11 (shorts and Helmets only); Thursday August 14, first practive where full pads and contact was allowed.

Right.

Pads on the 14th.

2-3 days missed because of Tropical Storm Fay depending on where the school was located.

Aquinas had 10 days or so of total practice before playing Elder.

[Canes0177]

But they were beat.

Just like the Patriots went 0-4 in the preseason.

Nobody insists on counting those preseason games but these 3 high school games? Somehow they have to be counted.

[ftballin11]

Just like the Patriots went 0-4 in the preseason.

Nobody insists on counting those preseason games but these 3 high school games? Somehow they have to be counted.

Yep, because there is no preseason in highschool football.

[dada]

Yep, because there is no preseason in highschool football.

Not trying to start an argument...but lets say MNW STOMPED Poly 56-0.....would many claim the win didn't count? It's a win win situation....you WIN the came....you showed where the best football in the country is played. You LOSE the game...."It was just pre-season"..."I didn't count"...."we took our starters out".....why even fly a team in from the opposite coast for a glorified practice?

[t00 playa]

where is this game being played? what time? :eek:

[ftballin11]

Not trying to start an argument...but lets say MNW STOMPED Poly 56-0.....would many claim the win didn't count? It's a win win situation....you WIN the came....you showed where the best football in the country is played. You LOSE the game...."It was just pre-season"..."I didn't count"...."we took our starters out".....why even fly a team in from the opposite coast for a glorified practice?

exactly.

[ftballin11]

where is this game being played? what time? :eek:

230, Sat at rhoads.

[t00 playa]

230, Sat at rhoads.


are there visitor tickets left?:eek:

[cajun]

Not trying to start an argument...but lets say MNW STOMPED Poly 56-0.....would many claim the win didn't count? It's a win win situation....you WIN the came....you showed where the best football in the country is played. You LOSE the game...."It was just pre-season"..."I didn't count"...."we took our starters out".....why even fly a team in from the opposite coast for a glorified practice?

It was just a high priced scrimmage...Everyone knew that going in...John Curtis flying out to California to scrimmage DLS next year...

[dada]

are there visitor tickets left?:eek:

If you are in the "Know"...there are a few Katy people with extra tickets....I'm pretty sure you will be able to get tickets on the visitors side, but we perfer you were red and join us.:D

[cajun]

No one promotes a scrimmage better than Miami though...I give them that...

http://www.miamisports.org/kickoffclassic/images/home_header_art.jpg

Every Great Season Begins with a Classic…

Football fans get ready as the Miami-Dade Sports Commission kicks off the 2008 season with the Miami Sports Kick-off Classic presented by NIKE!

3 Games; 6 Teams; Unparalleled football excitement with only the purest and most magnificent level athletic talent the country has to offer.

The tradition of high school football combined with the big game flair of Miami means that the stage will be set for some of the best football in the country. The season starts now…featuring three local South Florida teams facing off against three of the countries nationally ranked best.

Beginning Friday, August 29th, the nationally ranked #8 Booker T. Washington Tornadoes will face off against #12 Arizona’s Hamilton High School Huskies. Saturday, August 30th will feature two electrifying games beginning with South Florida’s Pahokee Blue Devils suiting up against the Mississippi Olive Branch Quistors. Leading us into a thrilling night game that only Miami can provide pinning the nationally ranked #1 Northwestern Bulls against USA Today’s #20 California Long Beach Polytechnic Jackrabbits.

Football fans can you feel it…another exciting Miami football season is just around the corner!!!! Are you ready for some football???

BUY TICKETS NOW

http://www.miamisports.org/kickoffclassic/index.htm

[dada]

No one promotes a scrimmage better than Miami though...I give them that...

http://www.miamisports.org/kickoffclassic/images/home_header_art.jpg

Every Great Season Begins with a Classic…

Football fans get ready as the Miami-Dade Sports Commission kicks off the 2008 season with the Miami Sports Kick-off Classic presented by NIKE!

3 Games; 6 Teams; Unparalleled football excitement with only the purest and most magnificent level athletic talent the country has to offer.

The tradition of high school football combined with the big game flair of Miami means that the stage will be set for some of the best football in the country. The season starts now…featuring three local South Florida teams facing off against three of the countries nationally ranked best.

Beginning Friday, August 29th, the nationally ranked #8 Booker T. Washington Tornadoes will face off against #12 Arizona’s Hamilton High School Huskies. Saturday, August 30th will feature two electrifying games beginning with South Florida’s Pahokee Blue Devils suiting up against the Mississippi Olive Branch Quistors. Leading us into a thrilling night game that only Miami can provide pinning the nationally ranked #1 Northwestern Bulls against USA Today’s #20 California Long Beach Polytechnic Jackrabbits.

Football fans can you feel it…another exciting Miami football season is just around the corner!!!! Are you ready for some football???

BUY TICKETS NOW

http://www.miamisports.org/kickoffclassic/index.htm

That's an helluva scrimmage!

[ftballin11]

That's an helluva scrimmage!

Really i mean in most scrimmages there is no score Kept, this looks like one of the bigger games of the year.

[dada]

Really i mean in most scrimmages there is no score Kept, this looks like one of the bigger games of the year.

Think about it though...I'm pretty sure there have been instances where the coach said "Uh-oh!.....we're getting our a@@es kicked....let's but in the third string since this is a scrimmage" AFTER they saw the game would be competitive. And the people on this board gave Longview crap for making scrimmage T-shirts....lol

[cajun]

That's an helluva scrimmage!

"Unparalleled" football excitement with only the purest and most magnificent level athletic talent the country has to offer.

"Unparalleled" Scrimmage...

I'm just having some fun....Makes NO difference if they count the games or not to me in New Orleans...:D

[dada]

Houston getting love in the Miami Herald:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/hssports/2008/10/houston-area-ha.html

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/hssports/2008/10/aj-highsmith-is.html

[jvbiggirl]

parker rae has a tiny *****... and huge tits. and ugly feet.


also he smells like old garbage fish


love always,
BIIIIGGGGGG GGIIIIIRRRRRRLLLL:cool::Music

[Hitman49]

Nowhere did I say they didn't take them seriously. Another fabrication from the Hitman/Frog alliance.

I'll say it: The Florida teams got beat.

Just like Lakeland got beat in their 2004 preseason game. Just like Aquinas got beat in their 2004 preseason game.

Those games didn't count either for the same reason.

They counted to the people who played. Didn't they keep the score?

[dada]

parker rae has a tiny *****... and huge tits. and ugly feet.


also he smells like old garbage fish


love always,
BIIIIGGGGGG GGIIIIIRRRRRRLLLL:cool::Music

Nice first and last post.

[chunky79]

parker rae has a tiny *****... and huge tits. and ugly feet.


also he smells like old garbage fish


love always,
BIIIIGGGGGG GGIIIIIRRRRRRLLLL:cool::Music
well that was random

[Hitman49]

Houston getting love in the Miami Herald:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/hssports/2008/10/houston-area-ha.html

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/hssports/2008/10/aj-highsmith-is.html

I thought Katy was 2-2 on the year. Can Miami get anything correct?

[chunky79]

If you are in the "Know"...there are a few Katy people with extra tickets....I'm pretty sure you will be able to get tickets on the visitors side, but we perfer you were red and join us.:D
as long as red is worn, there will be no problem

[dada]

I thought Katy was 2-2 on the year. Can Miami get anything correct?

That's a sign of things to come maybe!:D

[Canes0177]

Yep, because there is no preseason in highschool football.

Yes there is.

LOL.

Seriously. Do you people even try to understand what you're talking about?

[Canes0177]

Not trying to start an argument...but lets say MNW STOMPED Poly 56-0.....would many claim the win didn't count? It's a win win situation....you WIN the came....you showed where the best football in the country is played. You LOSE the game...."It was just pre-season"..."I didn't count"...."we took our starters out".....why even fly a team in from the opposite coast for a glorified practice?

Two things.

1) Northwestern already had 10 games scheduled. Win or lose their record would have been 0-0.

2) The OOS teams knew of the circumstances.

[Canes0177]

That's an helluva scrimmage!

It wasn't a scrimmage.

Nobody has called it a scrimmage but you.

It was a kickoff classic. Every team in Florida plays one but only these teams are expected to count them.

[dada]

It wasn't a scrimmage.

Nobody has called it a scrimmage but you.

It was a kickoff classic. Every team in Florida plays one but only these teams are expected to count them.

Technically...it had no meaning for the Florida schools, so basiclly...it was just like a scrimmage.

[Canes0177]

They counted to the people who played. Didn't they keep the score?

The Dolphins kept score in their 4 preseason games. Didn't do much to help them in the standings.

Scores are kept in our spring games too. Should those games count all of the sudden?

So Northwestern now has two losses? Poly and North Miami Beach?

Seriously you people need to drop it. There's not a single fact that supports your position. Give it up.

[Canes0177]

Technically...it had no meaning for the Florida schools, so basiclly...it was just like a scrimmage.

NBA preseason games have no meaning. But they keep score.

Every sport keeps score in games that don't count. Those are understood but somehow this situation completely confuses those from outside Florida.

It seems Texans are more confused than anybody.

[dada]

The Dolphins kept score in their 4 preseason games. Didn't do much to help them in the standings.

Scores are kept in our spring games too. Should those games count all of the sudden?

So Northwestern now has two losses? Poly and North Miami Beach?

Seriously you people need to drop it. There's not a single fact that supports your position. Give it up.

If those are the rules, then those are the rules...but understand...it's NEW to us.....we don't have "preseason" games...even Non district games count on the record. That's like saying Ohio State's loss to USC "Dosn't Count" because it wasnt a Big 10 game.

[dada]

NBA preseason games have no meaning. But they keep score.

Every sport keeps score in games that don't count. Those are understood but somehow this situation completely confuses those from outside Florida.

It seems Texans are more confused than anybody.

I agree...we are confused....no disrespect intended.....A team from Cali playing a team from Florida in a game that dosent count serves as what?..Why risk injuries to key players?

[Canes0177]

If those are the rules, then those are the rules...but understand...it's NEW to us.....we don't have "preseason" games...even Non district games count on the record. That's like saying Ohio State's loss to USC "Dosn't Count" because it wasnt a Big 10 game.

That's fine. It's new to you.

But after like the 10th explanation you should be expected to understand it.

It's been over a month since these games were played and people are still whining about it.

What? Huh?

Non-district games count on our records too! USC and Ohio State played a REGULAR SEASON GAME.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

MNW and BTW aren't district opponents. That game counted.

Please tell me where you are misunderstanding this. It's a pretty simply situation that you are completely whiffing on.

[Canes0177]

I agree...we are confused....no disrespect intended.....A team from Cali playing a team from Florida in a game that dosent count serves as what?..Why risk injuries to key players?

Let me know what confuses you.

August 30: Games played
----September 1: REGULAR SEASON BEGINS------
Game 1 Non-district
Game 2 Non-district
Game 3 Non-district
Game 4 Non-district
Game 5 District
Game 6 District
Game 7 District
Game 8 District
Game 9 District
Game 10 District
----PLAYOFFS-----

It's not hard.

[dada]

That's fine. It's new to you.

But after like the 10th explanation you should be expected to understand it.

It's been over a month since these games were played and people are still whining about it.

What? Huh?

Non-district games count on our records too! USC and Ohio State played a REGULAR SEASON GAME.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

MNW and BTW aren't district opponents. That game counted.

Please tell me where you are misunderstanding this. It's a pretty simply situation that you are completely whiffing on.

Someone has sand in their coochie today.:cool:

[dada]

I know for a FACT if MNW would have drilled Polly...it would be shoved down our throats all year....but......"When in Rome"

[Canes0177]

Someone has sand in their coochie today.:cool:

Sorry.

When people act as if they've never followed football in their entire llife it bothers me.

Ohio State and USC played in the 3rd week of the season. How in the world can somebody compare that to a preseason game played in August?

Do you follow football much?

[Canes0177]

I know for a FACT if MNW would have drilled Polly...it would be shoved down our throats all year....but......"When in Rome"

LOL.

You know a fact?

You don't even understand the concept of a preseason game vs. a regular season game played in week 3.

You know for a fact. Get real.

[TrojanHorse03]

I agree...we are confused....no disrespect intended.....A team from Cali playing a team from Florida in a game that dosent count serves as what?..Why risk injuries to key players?

Here's how I put it on another board.

I understand the rule regarding games not counting before September 1st in Florida and the games not counting for Pahokee, MNW, and BTW in Florida. However while those teams did sign a contract to play kickoff classics on their end on the other half of the equation Poly, Olive Branch, and Hamilton(I got that confirmed) did sign to play the first of their 10 games on the season that count. So in Florida by rule the games are not recognized as counting, however that is not the case outside of the state of Florida. Even Micheal Langston publisher of Flavarsity agrees with that perspective http://flavarsity.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?F...p;TID=115915103 . So again those games do not count BUT only in Florida, NOT everywhere else.

I think the best solution is it counting on Poly's, OB's, and Hamilton's records and not MNW's, BTW's, and Hamilton's according to the contract. But I actually don't think it's ridiculous for someone to count it as a loss for the Florida teams record on the principal that for every determined winner there is a loser. But again, I think the first approach I mentioned is the better approach as it's true to the contract both parties signed and a fair compromise. But I think everyone can agree this "event" probably was better off not taking place under those circumstances.

Personally I'm not sure those should be classified as games or kickoff classics, but actually some other mess. It may be unprecedented in football where one team travels to play a game and the other team is playing a scrimmage. Long story short these...contests were kickoff classics for the Florida teams but they were NOT for the out of state teams who were playing the first of their TEN regular season games.

[Hitman49]

Yes there is.

LOL.

Seriously. Do you people even try to understand what you're talking about?

Cane- Yes, we understand these games did not count in the official Florida records. However, in the unofficial record book they do.lol

Frog- would you please list all the great Florida Schools that have been beat this year in OOS matchups...We need recap.

one last thing for you to comment on. If it is a down year in Florida this year, is it possible SLC was down last year?

If ranked FL Cy-Bay does not beat Katy after they have been beat 47-0 then you must go back to your hole

[dada]

Sorry.

When people act as if they've never followed football in their entire llife it bothers me.

Ohio State and USC played in the 3rd week of the season. How in the world can somebody compare that to a preseason game played in August?

Do you follow football much?

well "round these parts'" there is no "Pre-season"....Spring ball...scrimmage(controlled practice) then regular season.

[dada]

LOL.

You know a fact?

You don't even understand the concept of a preseason game vs. a regular season game played in week 3.

You know for a fact. Get real.

What is this "Football" you speak of?? Learn me of it

[TrojanHorse03]

I know for a FACT if MNW would have drilled Polly...it would be shoved down our throats all year....but......"When in Rome"

I agree quite a few Floridians were talking smack regarding and prior to these...contests in spite of them not counting in Florida. However to my knowledge Canes wasn't one of them.

[dada]

I agree quite a few Floridians were talking smack regarding and prior to these...contests in spite of them not counting in Florida. However to my knowledge Canes wasn't one of them.

Well I guess I struck a nerve by not knowing the circumstances...I don't keep with other states and their rules and regulations....If I was Hamilton and Poly I would take it as an insult if I you call me out, challenge me to a fight and I come to your house and kick your a@@....only to find out...to YOU...."it don't count"...ask Mitch "Blood" Green if that a@@ whipping Tyson gave him at the night club "counted" lol

[TrojanHorse03]

Well I guess I struck a nerve by not knowing the circumstances...I don't keep with other states and their rules and regulations....If I was Hamilton and Poly I would take it as an insult if I you call me out, challenge me to a fight and I come to your house and kick your a@@....only to find out...to YOU...."it don't count"...ask Mitch "Blood" Green if that a@@ whipping Tyson gave him at the night club "counted" lol

It did count for the out of state teams.

[dada]

It did count for the out of state teams.

Exactly....even if they loss.

[TrojanHorse03]

But yeah I wouldn't travel out of state for that foolishness.

[ftballin11]

Even if it was a scrimmage.:rolleyes: Dumbest thing i ever heard a team came across the country for a practice game.

But both teams played to win, and yall got beat at home. Florida cant sniff Texas. Proof will be shown Saturday when a 2-2 unranked Katy team knocks off a top 10 team from Florida.

[cajun]

But yeah I wouldn't travel out of state for that foolishness.

Think they stayed at a Holiday Inn though...:D

[ftballin11]

Think they stayed at a Holiday Inn EXRESSthough...:D

fixed it for ya ^^^

[cajun]

fixed it for ya ^^^

Proving it was a scrimmage...:cool:

[dada]

Proving it was a scrimmage...:cool:

No..it was a PRESEASON GAME CAJUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!....what part of the concept don't you get?.....Two teams come in undefeated.....one teams leaves undefeated....no matter the score...even if they lose.:cool:

[TrojanHorse03]

One thing I would warn against is crowing too loudly to Florida. Florida can easily turn around its perception this year in out of state matchups in one week, this week in fact with wins over a very highly ranked Byrnes(versus a very good Pahokee team), a 5 time state champion in Katy(that how it will be spinned despite their 2-2 record currently this year), and a 22 time state champion(John Curtis) all on the road with only Cy-Bay as a favorite.

[ftballin11]

One thing I would warn against is crowing too loudly to Florida. Florida can easily turn around its perception this year in out of state matchups in one week, this week in fact with wins over a very highly ranked Byrnes(versus a very good Pahokee team), a 5 time state champion in Katy(that how it will be spinned despite their 2-2 record currently this year), and a 22 time state champion(John Curtis) all on the road with only Cy-Bay as a favorite.

No it wont, they have a horrific record this year in oos game. It goes to show the depth of Florida.

[cajun]

One thing I would warn against is crowing too loudly to Florida. Florida can easily turn around its perception this year in out of state matchups in one week, this week in fact with wins over a very highly ranked Byrnes(versus a very good Pahokee team), a 5 time state champion in Katy(that how it will be spinned despite their 2-2 record currently this year), and a 22 time state champion(John Curtis) all on the road with only Cy-Bay as a favorite.

That's true..BUT, at this point I'm just about burnt out on these OOS games-especially with Florida...Man, so much red tape and BS to handle...Hell, you win an OOS game you gotta hear every excuse in the book..Same with a loss...

Why not just tip you hat and move on to the next round of games...Sheesh...Ain't gonna hurt my feelings if North Beach puts one on John Curtis....I don't really like either one of them...(lol)

Like to see Curtis win for the Pelican State though...

[dada]

Back to the game....looking forward to it....see you guys at the Jack tomorrow.....come early, wear red, be loud!

[ftballin11]

Back to the game....looking forward to it....see you guys at the Jack tomorrow.....come early, wear red, be loud!

AMEN like the icon.

[DownSouth]

Really i mean in most scrimmages there is no score Kept, this looks like one of the bigger games of the year.


No, Cypress Bay as well as every other Florida school played one of these games, just obviously not at this event.

Cypress Bay beat Dr. Krop 20-0 in their preseason game, but their official regular season record is 3-0 with wins against Dillard, Boyd Anderson, and Western.

It was meant to showcase great programs from around the country and get their names out there. Never on the Florida end was it promoted as regular season openers as the season could not begin until the next day anyway, unless like Aquinas and Lakeland they obtain a waiver from the FHSAA and drop a regular season game from what had been an already completed 10 game schedule.

[DownSouth]

I thought Katy was 2-2 on the year. Can Miami get anything correct?


Maybe our local writer counted a preseason game? :D

[rancher52]

No, Cypress Bay as well as every other Florida school played one of these games, just obviously not at this event.

Cypress Bay beat Dr. Krop 20-0 in their preseason game, but their official regular season record is 3-0 with wins against Dillard, Boyd Anderson, and Western.

It was meant to showcase great programs from around the country and get their names out there. Never on the Florida end was it promoted as regular season openers as the season could not begin until the next day anyway, unless like Aquinas and Lakeland they obtain a waiver from the FHSAA and drop a regular season game from what had been an already completed 10 game schedule.

I understand completely what the FHSAA says, but as to not promoting as a regular game .... there were many Florida newspaper articles (both print and on the internet) that failed to mention the game would not count. I saw a few that at least used the name of the event including the word "Classic" but there were others that did not even go that far. IMO, the absence of such information or disclaimer indicates a "real" game was being promoted. Just my opinion (I know the Mississippi league recognized the win for Olive Branch; what about in the California for LB?)

[DownSouth]

The Dolphins kept score in their 4 preseason games. Didn't do much to help them in the standings.

Scores are kept in our spring games too. Should those games count all of the sudden?

So Northwestern now has two losses? Poly and North Miami Beach?

Seriously you people need to drop it. There's not a single fact that supports your position. Give it up.


I had entirely forgotten about that game.

Very good point, that also makes the point why the other OOS teams were down for the games.

After NMB beat Da West 25-0 in the preseason they became the favorites for the 6A title (before we all realized that MNW had a long waaaaay back and that we should not have expected them to be the team of last year) and built up alot of recognition in the area.

If NMB doesn't beat Da West in the preseason then there is no way they get that game with John Curtis.

[Falcon16]

Hey i just got in from practice can anyone tell me what time the game is Saturday?:ninja:

[DownSouth]

Even if it was a scrimmage.:rolleyes: Dumbest thing i ever heard a team came across the country for a practice game.

But both teams played to win, and yall got beat at home. Florida cant sniff Texas. Proof will be shown Saturday when a 2-2 unranked Katy team knocks off a top 10 team from Florida.

Just to clarify, CB is #12 and as a CB fan I'd say that's a bit too high until they prove they can beat a team on a level such as the one they're ranked on.

There are 7-8 teams ranked below them that would give them all they could handle based on what CB has shown this year, and I doubt Katy is as bad as that 47-0 loss they had in what? Their opener?

CB has the #12 spot based mostly off of the respect that Coach Guandolo has earned and where he will have Cypress eventually. Give them 2 years and they will be the best that 6A has to offer, right now though I think #12 is a bit too high for them.

If they take out Miramar in their next game, then not only will I be very happy but it would also confirm that they are legit. Until then...

[DownSouth]

One thing I would warn against is crowing too loudly to Florida. Florida can easily turn around its perception this year in out of state matchups in one week, this week in fact with wins over a very highly ranked Byrnes(versus a very good Pahokee team), a 5 time state champion in Katy(that how it will be spinned despite their 2-2 record currently this year), and a 22 time state champion(John Curtis) all on the road with only Cy-Bay as a favorite.


I'll tell you right now that most of us won't be spinning a win against Katy like that. The local media might, but anyone seriously interested in the matchup knows not to take too much away from this, we get that Katy is in a cycle year and will most likely need another season or two before they come away with another state championship. This is a growing up game for CB that will need to play in this environment if they want to make it out of the region which ALWAYS runs through Miami.

Pahokee will be the big one. I think they're most likely about a 7 point dog, but they have ALOT to play for: a star linebacker with D1 offers was murdered only a week ago, and they still know the percepion around them since the Olive Branch game.

John Curtis vs. NMB seems like trouble for NMB. After seeing the little bit that I have about JC from what Cajun wrote I expect them to win, John Curtis, and to seperate by 10-14 points sometime in the 4th quarter.

My Florida OOS predictions for this week:

Florida #12 Cypress Bay 24 vs. Katy 22 W

Florida #27 North Miami Beach 20 vs. Louisiana Top 5 John Curtis 32 L

Florida #3 Pahokee 32 vs. National #1 Byrnes, SC 35 L

I'd say the first two are likely results while the third really is a tossup where I hope Pahokee proves me wrong.

[Pool Man]

Raul is very good, but I don't know about a game winning field goal from 50 yards. One thing I haven't heard much about though is special teams. Katy is usually very disciplined in this area and the few mistakes they've made this year on special teams were very correctible and have probably been dealt with by now. I would like to know if anyone has any insight into CB's special teams. This could be a deciding factor come tomorrow.


So, does anybody know anything about CB's special teams?:rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

One thing I would warn against is crowing too loudly to Florida. Florida can easily turn around its perception this year in out of state matchups in one week, this week in fact with wins over a very highly ranked Byrnes(versus a very good Pahokee team), a 5 time state champion in Katy(that how it will be spinned despite their 2-2 record currently this year), and a 22 time state champion(John Curtis) all on the road with only Cy-Bay as a favorite.

You mean someone from another state. Is gonna play the role of Frog?:eek::eek::D

[Hitman49]

Neither pahokee or Byrnes can kick the darn ball.

Pahokee can't kick FG at all and Byrnes can not get punt over 20 yards in the 1st half.

[ftballin11]

Neither pahokee or Byrnes can kick the darn ball.

Pahokee can't kick FG at all and Byrnes can not get punt over 20 yards in the 1st half.

whats the score.

[steeler 01]

whats the score.

Byrnes 17 Pahokee 6

Byrnes just made a 47 yard FG. 3rd Quarter with 5 minutes left in the game.

[Hitman49]

17-6 Byrnes late 3rd

Pahokee can't snap the ball for punts or FG. 3 times in the first half they went for it on 4th and goal from inside the 10 yard line.

[Hitman49]

Pahokee has good athletes, however the qb can't hit the broad side of the barn.