Southlake Carroll vs. Allen........AGAIN

[AllenEagle06]

Well IMac ain't doin' so good right now so it looks like SLC and Allen will play each other for the 3rd year in a row. Maybe 3rd time's a charm?...probably not

Past scores:
2003-SLC 37 Allen 21
2004-SLC 52 Allen 14

[GRP05]

I'll give Allen one more chance :p

[AllenEagle06]

I'll give Allen one more chance :p
You know it!
C'mon, who else is daring enough to vote for Allen? You know you want to. :D

[lonny23]

Allen will get beat worse than Imac. Add about 10 points on to SLC's win today and that's next week.

[Shoot2thrill]

Allen will get beat worse than Imac. Add about 10 points on to SLC's win today and that's next week.

This is Allen we are talking about, not Judson. :D

[GTown02]

Wow I left after the first quarter and SLC was already up big. IMac does not know how to cover those recievers... They were giving SLC's recievers around 10 yards of cushion, and that is entirely too much. How did Katy beat them? Blitzing the QB and pressuring the recievers on the LOS... why dont other teams look at that scheme and do what Katy did... thats the only way you really have a great chance of stopping that offense... Good luck Allen! :eek:

[dragonfootballfan]

Wow I left after the first quarter and SLC was already up big. IMac does not know how to cover those recievers... They were giving SLC's recievers around 10 yards of cushion, and that is entirely too much. How did Katy beat them? Blitzing the QB and pressuring the recievers on the LOS... why dont other teams look at that scheme and do what Katy did... thats the only way you really have a great chance of stopping that offense... Good luck Allen! :eek:
many have tried that and only one was successful.

[ruthless]

What did Abilene do? I know they had them. I woud get the tapes of all close games vs. SLC and study them, however, you must have the personnel to do it.

[LUFPAN]

I just got back from Texas Stadium and SLC was dismantling I. Mac 33-0 just before half-time. I think they will be to much for Allen to go through this year.

[GTown02]

What did Abilene do? I know they had them. I woud get the tapes of all close games vs. SLC and study them, however, you must have the personnel to do it.
Agreed. You have to have the athletes at corner and safety that can close the gap if they get juked... Imac (when I was actually paying attention) had they're corners 10 yards off the line of scrimmage... give me a break. Your just asking to get killed...

[lonny23]

This is Allen we are talking about, not Judson. :D
That's true because Judson won't get beat next week! :p

[Zacharary]

I've got friends from both schools, SLC will most likley make it, but it never hurts to root for the under dogs.

[SLCDad]

I just got back from Texas Stadium and SLC was dismantling I. Mac 33-0 just before half-time. I think they will be to much for Allen to go through this year.I thought SLC looked as good if not better tonight than they have in the last four years. McElroy's passing was surperb and the receivers were great. Newton looked good running. The defense held IMac to 1 first down in the first half and that came from a penalty. If SLC plays like they did tonight, they will go far in the playoffs again this year.

[dragons08]

looks like i'll have to find some earplugs....i thought we sounded loud today, i heard us echoing all that stuff..wait till we play allen.. :eek:

[alnegle07]

Agreed. You have to have the athletes at corner and safety that can close the gap if they get juked... Imac (when I was actually paying attention) had they're corners 10 yards off the line of scrimmage... give me a break. Your just asking to get killed...







yeah udo! and i think allen does and im goin to have to say that if allen plays d fence like they know they can and since nathan and charles are both going to be100%, ithink this one will be alot closer then most think! about a 1 td difference!

[toonman]

Here we go again. Fans trying to talk up their chances against SLC. SLC are a class above all Metroplex teams. SLC slaughtered I-Mac 48-21. Allen lost to I-Mac 34-29. Start thinking with your head and not your heart. Another slaughter coming your way at Texas Stadium on Saturday November 19th 2005.

[Phoenixrising05]

Allen has some of the top 5 most obnoxious chest-thumping fans in the metroplex. (Plano apparently being number 1 haha) Each year they get on these boards sayings it's going to be close, a good one, etc and each year SLC slaughters them and puts in the 2nd string. I'll do the numbers like I did for IMAC in a little bit

[drgnbkr]

Allen has double the enrollment of Carroll so there have to be some knucleheads in that group..most posters I remember from last year were ok

[Phoenixrising05]

Allen has double the enrollment of Carroll so there have to be some knucleheads in that group..most posters I remember from last year were ok

Well I didn't read THESE boards last year..it was on another site hosted by rivals.com.

[dragons08]

Allen has double the enrollment of Carroll so there have to be some knucleheads in that group..most posters I remember from last year were ok
their band is also double..

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Here we go again. Fans trying to talk up their chances against SLC. SLC are a class above all Metroplex teams. SLC slaughtered I-Mac 48-21. Allen lost to I-Mac 34-29. Start thinking with your head and not your heart. Another slaughter coming your way at Texas Stadium on Saturday November 19th 2005.

There you go with those comparative scores again toonman. Again I ask you have you seen Allen play at all this year? Answer is no. You go by what the paper says and thus you become an expert. Allen lost to Mac by 5 because they had 7 turnovers in that game. Bad game for Allen.

Do I think Allen will lose by 40. No. They will get beat but Allen is a solid team top to bottom and are well coached. They will represent better game than Mac. They stay within two scores going into the 4th quarter. Then anything can happen.

[TrojanHorse03]

No

[AtownEagle06]

Here we go again. Fans trying to talk up their chances against SLC. SLC are a class above all Metroplex teams. SLC slaughtered I-Mac 48-21. Allen lost to I-Mac 34-29. Start thinking with your head and not your heart. Another slaughter coming your way at Texas Stadium on Saturday November 19th 2005.


If you were at that game then you would know why Allen lost to IMac and it wasn't because they were the better team. Allen lost 34-29 because of a player that no longer plays for the Eagles who made two of the stupidest plays I have seen in my life and fumbled two punts in a row! Allen actually won the game twice but had one TD called back for holding and the on final called back score our receiver was pushed out of bounds, came back in and caught the ball, a legal move as he was pushed out but the ref's don't know this apparently. Watch for the best DB's and defensive that Allen has had in years, if not ever, to bring a good game to the Dragons. Don't count anyone out in the Playoffs, thats why they play them.

[dragonfootballfan]

Comparing scores of common opponents is a dangerous tool. Every team matches up differently with every other team. It is also very dangerous to compare a score in week 11 with a score in the first 3 weeks of the season. A lot has changed in 8 weeks. But Carroll did blowout Macarthur and Allen lost in a very close game. As stated before Allen could have beaten Macarthur, but I do not think that they could have blown them out (based solely on comments that I have heard).

What does this mean? It means Carroll should blowout Allen. Will that happen, nobody knows for sure. All that we can do is guess and try to make the most educated guess possible. In order to do that we have to consider all the information, and it all points to a Carroll blowout.

Now for some things that point opposite of a blowout. It is very hard to continue to beat the same team over and over again. Carroll has beaten Allen twice in two years and the "Team A is due" theory is bound to start soon. Allen's band has not been able to shake the team last year and I do not remember if it had an effect in 2003. I think that the band could rattle the team, but contrary to what the band does I think that the most effective way would be to play when Carroll is playing defense. Carroll lines up in a similair formation on every play and there are signals used to communicate the plays. Noise can have an effect on the offense, but not as much on the defense as they are more spread out when verbal communication is required. 8-5A may have prepared Allen better than 5-5A has prepared Carroll. To me the districts are about even with maybe 8-5A being stronger. Allen does have experience this year in a game that they were supposed to lose, but they did lose and got blown out. If they draw from this experience they can fix mistakes and know that they have to play mistake free to win a game that you are not supposed to. Last year Allen stuck with Carroll until they rotated their JV quarterback in on the third series. Allen's returning players know this and probably think that they could have won that game. Hopefully they are not over confident which I doubt.

In conclusion I think that the reasons why Allen could make this a game are mostly intangible and those are hard to gauge. Carroll has all of the stats, margin of victory and all other tangible advantages. This could be an interesting game, but I think that Carroll wins in blowout fashion. Allen has a chance to keep it close, but I do not think it will happen.

[toonman]

There you go with those comparative scores again toonman. Again I ask you have you seen Allen play at all this year? Answer is no. You go by what the paper says and thus you become an expert. Allen lost to Mac by 5 because they had 7 turnovers in that game. Bad game for Allen.

Do I think Allen will lose by 40. No. They will get beat but Allen is a solid team top to bottom and are well coached. They will represent better game than Mac. They stay within two scores going into the 4th quarter. Then anything can happen.

I make no apologies for using real game scores; as these the only facts we have to make a judgment. This is how I analyze a situation. Using the facts to predict the outcome. The facts as they are today, indicate that SLC will win by a big score against Allen. SLC is 10-0, Allen is 8-2 regular season. I quoted the I-Mac facts. How about the Plano East fact. SLC won 31-0, Allen won 10-3. Not to mention the huge loss to Plano 7-45 by 38 points. Are you saying that SLC could not do what Plano did against Allen.

Comments such as “always steps up for the play offs", 'this player made mistakes and they will not happen again", "this player was missing it is not the same team", "the coach will have them better prepared", they are just opinions not facts. As I have always said; I admire fans who are loyal to their teams, but trash talk is not serious debate or analysis. I try to gather as much factual data as possible. I suggest you visit www.texasfootballratings.com – This is a wholly analytical approach to rating teams, as near as you can get to the facts. Jerry said SLC by 27 over I-Mac and sure enough Jerry was right. Jerry says SLC by 26 points, which looks about right to me. SLC 52 – Allen 24.

Again you are correct - I have not seen Allen play, but I will at Saturday’s Triple Header, which includes ET v Plano East & SGP v Plano. I have seen Allen play last season and the season before. 2 more facts for SLC won 52-24 in 2004 and 37-21 in 2003. 1 final fact SLC record is a good as last year if not better. Allen’s is worse. I am missing something here as the facts are speaking for themselves and they are saying to me “a big win for SLC”

[Mhs06]

Allen Band has to be the biggest band in the nation...

[PHL4SLC]

their band is also double..

I'm all for Southlake winning this Saturday - they better cuz I'm flying out Thanksgiving weekend and 80% of the reason I'm going is to see SLC play Abilene . . . but

I can say that Abilene Band is AWESOME! I was very impressed last year!! :)

[dragons08]

Allen Band has to be the biggest band in the nation...
they marched at the parade of roses i heard

[dragons08]

I'm all for Southlake winning this Saturday - they better cuz I'm flying out Thanksgiving weekend and 80% of the reason I'm going is to see SLC play Abilene . . . but

I can say that Abilene Band is AWESOME! I was very impressed last year!! :)
yeah they have a good band..their band isnt as big as us though was it? i thought they were like 200 people?

[AllenEagle06]

I make no apologies for using real game scores; as these the only facts we have to make a judgment. This is how I analyze a situation. Using the facts to predict the outcome. The facts as they are today, indicate that SLC will win by a big score against Allen. SLC is 10-0, Allen is 8-2 regular season. I quoted the I-Mac facts. How about the Plano East fact. SLC won 31-0, Allen won 10-3. Not to mention the huge loss to Plano 7-45 by 38 points. Are you saying that SLC could not do what Plano did against Allen.

The thing about the Plano game is that our QB Nathan Dick was injured very early in that game. The backup QB was inexperienced and fumbled the ball alot and threw a few interceptions which set up some pretty easy scores for Plano. I'm not saying that we would have won if Nathan was not out but it would have been closer. Nathan just returned last game and it made a HUGE difference when he came back in. Charles was out on the last game though but both Nathan and Charles will be ready for SLC.

[PHL4SLC]

yeah they have a good band..their band isnt as big as us though was it? i thought they were like 200 people?

Carroll has more kids in their band then Allen. Allen seems to know how to play in "Tune" and use uniform "articulations" which makes their sound more powerful and louder . . . I don't know much about football - really got into football last year when I saw Southlake play for the first time in San Diego on ESPN . . . Now I'm all about Carroll Football . . . especially now that my lil bro is on JV. . .But did spend 4 years in a nationally recognized marching band in high school and was involved in Drum Corps for Santa Clara Vanguard . . . I can say that Allen's band plays well / loud / in tune and that makes me thank god that Dodge uses visuals rather than audibles :)

[hollywood]

Here we go again. Fans trying to talk up their chances against SLC. SLC are a class above all Metroplex teams. SLC slaughtered I-Mac 48-21. Allen lost to I-Mac 34-29. Start thinking with your head and not your heart. Another slaughter coming your way at Texas Stadium on Saturday November 19th 2005.

Yes, slaughtered I-Mac. But they were very, very merciful. It was 41 to zip at the half. If SLC wanted to roll up the score it could have scored 70+. I was glad for Imacs sake that at least they had some good plays in the second half. Exposed the SLC defense a little bit. It was not really that close of a game. 48-21. I sat on the Imac side and hoped that they could give SLC a game anyway.
I was told by a friend it would be a blowout. We agreed to measuer how long it took to be down by 21 points. This week it was 2:19 left in the first quarter. A top team can make good teams look less than awesome.
I hope Allen can slow down SLC ... BUT with Newton back, the running game is a bunch better.

[AllenEagle06]

Carroll has more kids in their band then Allen. Allen seems to know how to play in "Tune" and use uniform "articulations" which makes their sound more powerful and louder . . . I don't know much about football - really got into football last year when I saw Southlake play for the first time in San Diego on ESPN . . . Now I'm all about Carroll Football . . . especially now that my lil bro is on JV. . .But did spend 4 years in a nationally recognized marching band in high school and was involved in Drum Corps for Santa Clara Vanguard . . . I can say that Allen's band plays well / loud / in tune and that makes me thank god that Dodge uses visuals rather than audibles :)
Just for fun, how about you guess how many people are in the Allen band including the color guard and stuff. ;)

[PHL4SLC]

Just for fun, how about you guess how many people are in the Allen band including the color guard and stuff. ;)

LOL - SO SO SO MY BAD AllenEagle . . . Yeah . . . 600 people huh? sum reason I thought you were in the 300 range... Was the whole band there last year for Playoffs? Didn't think you had 600 while u were sittin across the field . . .

Again, My Bad . . . but y'all ROCK! Awesome Drum Line!

[alnegle07]

Close To 600

[alnegle07]

I think allen will win b/c of our fast and hard hitting defense that is peaking at the right time and b/c charles and nathan will be 100%. if allen stops the pass which its very cappable of then allen will win but the game definatly will be close 1 touchdown difference

[hollywood]

I think allen will win b/c of our fast and hard hitting defense that is peaking at the right time and b/c charles and nathan will be 100%. if allen stops the pass which its very cappable of then allen will win but the game definatly will be close 1 touchdown difference

I agree. If Allen can stop the SLC passing game, they will probably win the ballgame. I have not seen Allen play. Looking forward to it. Must be an incredible team. If the game is still in doubt after three quarters it will be a great achievement. SLC has so many weapons, it would take a great team to hang on that long, especially in the playoffs.
YMMV.

[drgnbkr]

Yes, slaughtered I-Mac. But they were very, very merciful. It was 41 to zip at the half. If SLC wanted to roll up the score it could have scored 70+. I was glad for Imacs sake that at least they had some good plays in the second half. Exposed the SLC defense a little bit. It was not really that close of a game. 48-21. I sat on the Imac side and hoped that they could give SLC a game anyway.
I was told by a friend it would be a blowout. We agreed to measuer how long it took to be down by 21 points. This week it was 2:19 left in the first quarter. A top team can make good teams look less than awesome.
I hope Allen can slow down SLC ... BUT with Newton back, the running game is a bunch better.

The Carroll defense shut out I-mac...the backups got to play the second half

[Butch Fifield]

there are 17 people right now who i would like to make a little wager with.

[hollywood]

there are 17 people right now who i would like to make a little wager with.

Does it involve how many band players are in the jar?
Or would it relate to how badly SLC beats Allen?

[hollywood]

The Carroll defense shut out I-mac...the backups got to play the second half

Cool. I am corrected. I was with someone who had been following SLC and he said he was surpirsed that the first string D was in. Then that just makes it all that worse ...

[hollywood]

there are 17 people right now who i would like to make a little wager with.

Maybe it is the 80/20 rule. Lets see SLC has won like 57 of the last 58? Odds seem to be stacked here. Then again if you are going to play the game you should have the mindset that if you play your best you could win.

I have seen SLC play twice. To say they play on another level is a gross understatement.

[PESHfan]

Carroll has more kids in their band then Allen. Allen seems to know how to play in "Tune" and use uniform "articulations" which makes their sound more powerful and louder . . . I don't know much about football - really got into football last year when I saw Southlake play for the first time in San Diego on ESPN . . . Now I'm all about Carroll Football . . . especially now that my lil bro is on JV. . .But did spend 4 years in a nationally recognized marching band in high school and was involved in Drum Corps for Santa Clara Vanguard . . . I can say that Allen's band plays well / loud / in tune and that makes me thank god that Dodge uses visuals rather than audibles :)

So, SLC has over 600 kids in their band this year? Doubt it. While Allen's band counts their drill team in their overall numbers, they still have over 500 playing a musical instrument. I'd be shocked to find out that SLC has over 300 in their band. When SLC and Plano East played each other last year, their band didn't look any bigger than Plano East which usually has right around 220 musicians.

[dragons08]

Carroll has more kids in their band then Allen. Allen seems to know how to play in "Tune" and use uniform "articulations" which makes their sound more powerful and louder . . . I don't know much about football - really got into football last year when I saw Southlake play for the first time in San Diego on ESPN . . . Now I'm all about Carroll Football . . . especially now that my lil bro is on JV. . .But did spend 4 years in a nationally recognized marching band in high school and was involved in Drum Corps for Santa Clara Vanguard . . . I can say that Allen's band plays well / loud / in tune and that makes me thank god that Dodge uses visuals rather than audibles :)
maybe you mean abiline?

[dragons08]

I agree. If Allen can stop the SLC passing game, they will probably win the ballgame. I have not seen Allen play. Looking forward to it. Must be an incredible team. If the game is still in doubt after three quarters it will be a great achievement. SLC has so many weapons, it would take a great team to hang on that long, especially in the playoffs.
YMMV.
people tend to forget about our running games, we have had games where we had more rushing yards than passing yards!

[dragons08]

I'd be shocked to find out that SLC has over 300 in their band. When SLC and Plano East played each other last year, their band didn't look any bigger than Plano East which usually has right around 220 musicians.
well im about to blow your mind, we have between 350-400 people

[Arazorback]

In all honesty SLC should win in a convincing fashion, but they had a close one against Grapevine which showed they weren't invincible and Allen is going to come in confident because O and Dick are back and healthy. The Eagles were 8-2 last year coming into the game and were without their D-1 quarterback who threw 12 straight completions in his first SEC road game(<- random fact) and Allen's defense is vastly improved this year from what I hear.
Carrol 38-35 is my head's prediction
Allen 28-21 is my heart's

[GoRangers]

people tend to forget about our running games, we have had games where we had more rushing yards than passing yards!

I think your defense is what gets overlooked the most.

[hollywood]

people tend to forget about our running games, we have had games where we had more rushing yards than passing yards!

I don't doubt it. BUT, I think you would agree that it would take a pretty awesome team to "stop" the SLC passing game.

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't doubt it. BUT, I think you would agree that it would take a pretty awesome team to "stop" the SLC passing game.
well you could always drop 10 guys into coverage on every play. Then the run would be open, but atleast you would stop the Carroll passing game because they would not pass.

[WildcatFan]

I am afraid Allen doesn't stand a chance.

I-Mac was a solid good football team this year and SLC destroyed them early.

I will root for 8-5A as that's the drill, but nothing in the numbers or my heart tell me this week that Allen is going to do anything but loose and I am afraid loose big.

SLC 41---Allen 10

However I wish Allen all the best!

[allendad]

I can't believe that it has been a year since we were doing this same thing. All the talk kind of cracks me up.

To think that a team that scores 50+ points a game will be shut down by a defense that bends all over the place is rather OPTOMISTIC.

Allen's offense has been hybernating since that first cold front came through a few weeks ago.

I'm not sure which cave they have been hiding in, but I hope they wake up before Saturday.

I feel better about Allen's 'D' than I did last year. I think the corners can cover much better.

Last year Allen had the SLC fans sitting on their hands through the first half. We had the lead and the SLC fans across the way weren't sure what was going on.

Carroll always scares me because they can score 21 in about 1 minute.

I will still hope that Westerberg(sp?) will have a plan that could lead to a win.(Did I say hope or PRAY?!)

I am thrilled to be able to go to the game on Saturday.

I'm having a dejavu thingy all over again about this matchup.

The truth is Carroll doesn't stand a chance . . . . . . . . . . . .

G O E A G L E S !

Allendad

[BigFanSLC]

this year isnt any different then the past games between allen and SLC. SLC might even be better this year as an all around team then ever. The Carroll D is amazing, they are fast strong big and very smart. The Carroll O can pass all over you and if you want to drop everyone back for the pass then they will run all over you. Pick your poison allen. SLC will win this weekend big and keep surprising all the other teams down the road to state.
this game will be close at halftime prob a score of slc-24 ahs-10... after halftime SLC wont ever lose, they have the best halftime adjustments out of any coaching staff. sorry eagles, basketball season starts early again.
SLC- 48
AHS- 17

[dragonsdaddy]

not enough guns over in collin cty. may not get ugly early but it will eventually as slc pushes the envelope.

slc-40's
allen-teens

[alnegle07]

people tend to forget about our running games, we have had games where we had more rushing yards than passing yards!

yah but allens running game is alot better and the defense is going to be the toughest theve played this year! this game will be one to see! ipromise this will not be a blow out itll be a 1 td difference.

[alnegle07]

this year isnt any different then the past games between allen and SLC. SLC might even be better this year as an all around team then ever. The Carroll D is amazing, they are fast strong big and very smart. The Carroll O can pass all over you and if you want to drop everyone back for the pass then they will run all over you. Pick your poison allen. SLC will win this weekend big and keep surprising all the other teams down the road to state.
this game will be close at halftime prob a score of slc-24 ahs-10... after halftime SLC wont ever lose, they have the best halftime adjustments out of any coaching staff. sorry eagles, basketball season starts early again.
SLC- 48
AHS- 17

yah but allen is the same! but the running game is alot better. so maybe SLC should pick Their poison. and how is it a suprise when everyones expecting them to go to state. this one will be close

[ALLIN]

different year, same result. SLC wins big, at least 3 td's. Sorry Allen, you guys are good, but you know the drill.

[AllenEagle06]

I can't believe that it has been a year since we were doing this same thing. All the talk kind of cracks me up.

To think that a team that scores 50+ points a game will be shut down by a defense that bends all over the place is rather OPTOMISTIC.

Allen's offense has been hybernating since that first cold front came through a few weeks ago.

I'm not sure which cave they have been hiding in, but I hope they wake up before Saturday.

I feel better about Allen's 'D' than I did last year. I think the corners can cover much better.

Last year Allen had the SLC fans sitting on their hands through the first half. We had the lead and the SLC fans across the way weren't sure what was going on.

Carroll always scares me because they can score 21 in about 1 minute.

I will still hope that Westerberg(sp?) will have a plan that could lead to a win.(Did I say hope or PRAY?!)

I am thrilled to be able to go to the game on Saturday.

I'm having a dejavu thingy all over again about this matchup.

The truth is Carroll doesn't stand a chance . . . . . . . . . . . .

G O E A G L E S !

Allendad
I like your enthusiasm Allendad. I agree with you on the whole hybernating thing. It feels like we have a strong offense but we choose not to use it until it counts. This years rebuiding team was a ton better than I thought it would be. I'll say either SLC wins big or we pull it off by 1 point.

SLC 42
Allen 24
OR
Allen 35
SLC 34

[dragonfootballfan]

yah but allens running game is alot better and the defense is going to be the toughest theve played this year! this game will be one to see! ipromise this will not be a blow out itll be a 1 td difference.
I am just wondering. How many times has a Carroll fan heard this from an opposing team's fans?

[SLC Dragon Fan]

There is no way that the SLC defense will give up 35 points to Allen. Allen's only hope is to hold SLC to a season low in points. However, that's not going to happen.

SLC 45
Allen 21

[toonman]

yah but allens running game is alot better and the defense is going to be the toughest theve played this year! this game will be one to see! ipromise this will not be a blow out itll be a 1 td difference.

Irving McArthur Fans were saying the same thing.

[fabdragnfan]

I"m not even worried about Allen...

As for the band, Can't wait to see them. They are the best band I've ever seen. Definately MUCH larger than SLC.

[ALLIN]

I very seriously doubt that Allens defense will be better than PESH or IMAC. Do you have any stats to back that claim up?

[AllenEagle06]

Irving McArthur Fans were saying the same thing.
I could of told you that Macarthur's running game wasn't better than yours from seeing them play. All fans will say that their running game is better than anybody else's if they have a slightly better than decent RB. I havn't seen much from Newton so I can't say anything about who's running game is better in this matchup.

[SLCDad]

At mid-season I said the 2005 SLC team could very well end up being the best ever in Southlake. I stand by that prediction.

SLC 45
Allen 17

[bhs06_2]

I-Mac has much better athletes than Allen and most teams in the playoffs at all. Fast and quick but they just weren't very smart. They don't play man coverage since their both-way players will get tired easier. Anyone who thinks Allen will do better is wrong. They do not have the athletes that IMac had or the speed that IMAC had. The only thing they will do better in is coaching but that won't be a factor. IMAC played their worst game of the year and it wasn't an indication of how good their team was.

1st Quarter:

SLC 14
Allen 0

2nd Quarter:

SLC 35
Allen 7

3rd Quarter:

SLC 52
Allen 10

Final:

SLC 52
Allen 17

[bhs06_2]

If you were at that game then you would know why Allen lost to IMac and it wasn't because they were the better team. Allen lost 34-29 because of a player that no longer plays for the Eagles who made two of the stupidest plays I have seen in my life and fumbled two punts in a row! Allen actually won the game twice but had one TD called back for holding and the on final called back score our receiver was pushed out of bounds, came back in and caught the ball, a legal move as he was pushed out but the ref's don't know this apparently. Watch for the best DB's and defensive that Allen has had in years, if not ever, to bring a good game to the Dragons. Don't count anyone out in the Playoffs, thats why they play them.

The thing about the Plano game is that our QB Nathan Dick was injured very early in that game. The backup QB was inexperienced and fumbled the ball alot and threw a few interceptions which set up some pretty easy scores for Plano. I'm not saying that we would have won if Nathan was not out but it would have been closer. Nathan just returned last game and it made a HUGE difference when he came back in. Charles was out on the last game though but both Nathan and Charles will be ready for SLC.

Yeah, we could do the same thing. We would have beaten IMAC had we converted in one of our 4 goal line attempts late in the game. We would of beat them had they not returned our fumble for a touchdown on the game's first play. We would have done better against Trinity had we had our starting QB. However football is not a game of what ifs, its a game of players who step up when it matters. Your team obviously was not focused because of the 7 turnovers, and your backup QB did not step up like ours. One thing I learned this season is that what-if's are meaningless and the games are won by players who step up.

[Favpack]

When's the last time SLC won a Round 1 or 2 game with less than a 30 pt. margin? You'd think these teams would try to take a page out of the SV playbook - or Katy. Outside of Garlands schools and maybe Dallas Carter - the Dallas area has again proved no possible match to get within 5 td's of SLC. Will this ever change? -- apparently not soon.

[SLCDad]

Allen can look forward to something like this the first 7 times SLC gets the ball:

SLC – Greg McElroy 1 run (Kevin Ortega kick)
SLC – McKay Jacobson 17 pass from McElroy (Ortega kick)
SLC – Jacobson 68 pass from McElroy (Ortega kick)
SLC – Corbin Smiter 10 pass from McElroy (kick failed)
SLC – Smiter 18 pass from McElroy (kick failed)
SLC – Tre’ Newton 1 run (Riley Dodge run)
SLC – James Allen 14 pass from Dodge (Ryan Murray kick)

[farmerfan]

When's the last time SLC won a Round 1 or 2 game with less than a 30 pt. margin? You'd think these teams would try to take a page out of the SV playbook - or Katy. Outside of Garlands schools and maybe Dallas Carter - the Dallas area has again proved no possible match to get within 5 td's of SLC. Will this ever change? -- apparently not soon.

in round 2 of the 2002 playoffs, Arlington Sam Houston came within 3 points of the Dragons.

[bhs06_2]

I"m not even worried about Allen...

As for the band, Can't wait to see them. They are the best band I've ever seen. Definately MUCH larger than SLC.

Our band placed 3rd this weekend in the national championships in Indianpolis. I still hate them though because each game they played one song in the 1st quarter, left the stands with 2:00 to go in the 1st, didn't come back until 6:00 left in the 4th and played one more song and then sat. 2 songs in one game? Each band I saw this weekend played that many in 2 minutes.

And for the optimistic Allen Players/Fans:

Each game this season no matter the opponent I was very confident about our chances to win. However only 3 times we won. It's because I was one player on the team, and a team consists of more than one player. I had to get each and every player on the team to think the way I did and that didn't happen. Therefore you must have each player on your team thinking optimistically.

[dragonfootballfan]

When's the last time SLC won a Round 1 or 2 game with less than a 30 pt. margin? You'd think these teams would try to take a page out of the SV playbook - or Katy. Outside of Garlands schools and maybe Dallas Carter - the Dallas area has again proved no possible match to get within 5 td's of SLC. Will this ever change? -- apparently not soon.
in 2002 Irving Macarthur in round one 35-21, Arlington Sam Houston 19-16 in round 2.

This is just off the top of my head. I am not sure of the others. Many people have trade to use a strategy similair to SV or Katy and none have been successful since in the last 27 games.

[SLCDad]

When's the last time SLC won a Round 1 or 2 game with less than a 30 pt. margin? You'd think these teams would try to take a page out of the SV playbook - or Katy. Outside of Garlands schools and maybe Dallas Carter - the Dallas area has again proved no possible match to get within 5 td's of SLC. Will this ever change? -- apparently not soon.In round 2 in 2002 Arlington Sam Houston outgained SLC 2 to 1 and lost the game. SLC was lucky that the Sam Houston coach made some bonehead decisions. SLC won but arguably didn't deserve to win.

[SLCDad]

The Allen band is very impressive at half time. The biggest HS band n the nation??? However, their volume is extremely annoying in enclosed Texas stadium during the game. They give me a headache. :mad: If there is a volume knob on all those horns it's defintely turned up to 10.

[ASH1157]

Third time's a charm? :)

I have my birthday this week, and my biggest wish is that Allen would win. If that happens, it'll be the defense that steps it up once again. Those guys get all the props for last week's win.

Barring that, I hope it's a *game.* I hope the many underclassmen on Allen's team (which includes the starting quarterbacks and running back) see that, with a little improvement, they could really be in the running next year.

No disrespect intended towards Irving MacArthur, but they know (and Allen knows) that the win they had over Allen was more about Allen's mistakes than it was Irving Mac's play that night. SLC fans should not solely rely upon the results of that particular game to predict how their team will fare against Allen.

Honestly, I cannot predict what kind of effort you will see from Allen because they've showed flashes of brilliance and flashes of mediocrity all season. As I said, I hope it's a real game and that it doesn't come down to dirty plays or lopsided referees.

[farmerfan]

In round 2 in 2002 Arlington Sam Houston outgained SLC 2 to 1 and lost the game. SLC was lucky that the Sam Houston coach made some bonehead decisions. SLC won but arguably didn't deserve to win.


If I remember correctly in that game a somewhat questionable call was made regarding a supposed TD for Sam Houston or something where the ball went out of the endzone. After the refs made the decision to award Carroll the ball on the 20 the Texan fans started to act like animals and started throwing things on the field aswell as get out of control in the stands, at that point we quickly got up and moved away from their fans as we were seriously questioning our safety.
Can someone refresh me on what excatly it was that caused this to happen?

[Favpack]

In round 2 in 2002 Arlington Sam Houston outgained SLC 2 to 1 and lost the game. SLC was lucky that the Sam Houston coach made some bonehead decisions. SLC won but arguably didn't deserve to win.
Ok - thanks - just wondering - the scores seem way too predictable from Dragon land over the past 2 years - these are kids for crying out loud ;)

[BigFanSLC]

I am just wondering. How many times has a Carroll fan heard this from an opposing team's fans?

Every damn week. its all the same i usually just laugh at what some fans of the opposing teams say. :)

[dragonfootballfan]

Every damn week. its all the same i usually just laugh at what some fans of the opposing teams say. :)
How many times have we heard. "Team A is going to use the Katy strategy"

[jagannooni]

I see the score at 52-7. Allen isn't that good this year.

[alnegle07]

I very seriously doubt that Allens defense will be better than PESH or IMAC. Do you have any stats to back that claim up?




yah were ranked higher then both in the area polls, and as i remember we beat pesh w/ defense and should have beaten mac but had 7 turnovers and had a bad game

[alnegle07]

I see the score at 52-7. Allen isn't that good this year.



better then any team theyve faced this year :mad:

thats the reason theyre gonna lose everyones overlooking the ALLEN EAGLES and it gonna come back to bite them in the butt

[businesstron]

I saw SLC saturday and heard enough about the CHS game. Cedar Hill moved the ball up and down the field all night but they couldn't score. This is going to be a blow out SLC style.....I don't think y'll are better then Mac is this year....

[dragons08]

better then any team theyve faced this year :mad:

thats the reason theyre gonna lose everyones overlooking the ALLEN EAGLES and it gonna come back to bite them in the butt
lets remember were fans, not the football team, no way coach dodge lets them overlook this game or any game

[AllenEagle06]

lets remember were fans, not the football team, no way coach dodge lets them overlook this game or any game
That's true. We're only fans so it doesn't really matter what we do or don't overlook. I'm sure SLC's football team is watching us on film instead of Abilene this week so they are not caught offgaurd. Lufkin made that mistake in 2003...

[dragons08]

That's true. We're only fans so it doesn't really matter what we do or don't overlook. I'm sure SLC's football team is watching us on film instead of Abilene this week so they are not caught offgaurd. Lufkin made that mistake in 2003...
most defniatly, slc fans i have a question, do players take home tape and study it? ive heard of nfl players doing it, but thats a diffrent level..

[dragonfootballfan]

should have beaten mac but had 7 turnovers and had a bad game
I could have won the lottery but I did not know all six numbers.

[dragons08]

I could have won the lottery but I did not know all six numbers.
better luck next time

[WiCkeD PanThER 84]

I've watched SLC for a while and i'm gonna have to go with the dragons this time. But good luck to both teams.

[YouKnowTha3T]

couple things here..

one allen has a huge band...maybe some of them should try out for hte football team

two..allen has the offense to put points up on SLC..if they so choose to

three..assume the position

SLC huge..riley plays most second half

[dragonfly]

Hey Allen Fans,

How has Allen done against other passing teams? How do you like the mathcups with your corners and safeties against Carroll's receivers?

[dragonsdaddy]

If I remember correctly in that game a somewhat questionable call was made regarding a supposed TD for Sam Houston or something where the ball went out of the endzone. After the refs made the decision to award Carroll the ball on the 20 the Texan fans started to act like animals and started throwing things on the field aswell as get out of control in the stands, at that point we quickly got up and moved away from their fans as we were seriously questioning our safety.
Can someone refresh me on what excatly it was that caused this to happen?
the sh qb had scambled to the left and appeared to be going to score the go ahead td, when our lb stripped him at the 3(he had the ball in inside arm-very unlunaesque) and it went forward into and out of the endzone. most fans don't understand the touchback rules anyway, and were upset when it went back to slc at the 20. a lucky break, but also a heads up play by mr b.

[BigFoot]

The Carroll defense shut out I-mac...the backups got to play the second half
The announcers on the radio (In the third quarter) stated the starters are still in. Your announcers not mine or anyone elses.....

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Hey Allen Fans,

How has Allen done against other passing teams? How do you like the mathcups with your corners and safeties against Carroll's receivers?

Well not very well. Plano's QB M Seificas went 10-14 for 160 yards and 2 touchdowns and was named player of the week in region 1 on this site.

Not looking good for the Allen pass defense on Saturday.

[alnegle07]

Well not very well. Plano's QB M Seificas went 10-14 for 160 yards and 2 touchdowns and was named player of the week in region 1 on this site.

Not looking good for the Allen pass defense on Saturday.


first of all that was a crapy game for us on both sides of the ball. second we did very well agains west flowermound and flower mound marcus. and our corners and safteys are very physical and 0ur linebackers are fast look for jeremy griggs to have a great game!

[alnegle07]

Well not very well. Plano's QB M Seificas went 10-14 for 160 yards and 2 touchdowns and was named player of the week in region 1 on this site.

Not looking good for the Allen pass defense on Saturday.

yah but allen played probably the worst they have in years that game..we shut down the passing game of flower mound, marcus and the rest of the district..our coners are better this year than allen has had possibliy ever...we'll match up well against the dragon recievers.
good luck to both teams on saturday.
GO ALLEN

[AllenEagle06]

Hey Allen Fans,

How has Allen done against other passing teams? How do you like the mathcups with your corners and safeties against Carroll's receivers?
The DBs could have done better against Plano and the Flower Mound schools. When we played Flower Mound, they threw it alot and their receivers would catch and the defenders would put big hits on them which sometimes would knock the ball out of their hands. Marcus found their receivers to be open alot which kind of pissed me off that our secondary would allow that. Plano was the worst out of all of them though. It would be 3rd and 15 and the DBs would let Plano's receivers be open like they were programmed to lose that game badly.

On the other hand, the secondary performed very well against Plano West when they made 3 interceptions in the first half. They were also very good against PESH and Cedar Hill. SLC will be their ultimate test though so they better perform to the best of their abilities in which looks like the last game of their season.

[LoneStarProud]

I saw the Allen vs. Cedar Hill game. This was the only time I saw Allen this year. I must say the offensive line looks huge. I don't know if it was the all white uni's but they looked like a lot of meat on the hoof. However, I didn't see them make that much of an impact for the "O". I'm not going to make a score prediction but I do think SLC will take care of business. How big are those boys anyway?

[AllenEagle06]

I saw the Allen vs. Cedar Hill game. This was the only time I saw Allen this year. I must say the offensive line looks huge. I don't know if it was the all white uni's but they looked like a lot of meat on the hoof. However, I didn't see them make that much of an impact for the "O". I'm not going to make a score prediction but I do think SLC will take care of business. How big are those boys anyway?
I wasn't too impressed with the offense either. It seem whenever we are ahead, even by 1 TD, we kind of slack off on the offensive side. Also Charles wasn't in but if he was I could have seen him making big plays. The slacking off will have to change for SLC.

And the lineman...they range from 210 lbs. to 335 lbs.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

first of all that was a crapy game for us on both sides of the ball. second we did very well agains west flowermound and flower mound marcus. and our corners and safteys are very physical and 0ur linebackers are fast look for jeremy griggs to have a great game!

NO offense but the team you played made it crappy game game for Allen. Usually when teams play bad its because of the team they played made them play bad. Face it you got girl knocked out of you from the opening kick, I'm sorry to say Allen won't put up much resistance to SL. I wish they would though.

[alnegle07]

How do you beat a spread offense anyway?
The answer to this burning question has eluded me so I decided to do some google-ing and found an old article on Collegefootballnews.com

This is what columnist Pat Fiutak had to say about stopping the spread.

"So how do you stop the spread? Speed. If a defense has fast linebackers able to quickly read and react to what the running game is doing and can quickly drop into pass coverage, the offense will have a hard time generating any rhythm. Get to the quarterback with your fast front seven and you disrupt everything. Talented cornerbacks who can handle receivers without too much safety help can be a nightmare for spread offenses. Did Alex Smith and Utah face any defenses with tremendous speed? Not really, and you saw the results."

Does Allen have a fast defense? yes it does!

this one is gonna be alot closer then what everyone thinks!

[PaulinPlano]

I voted for SLC.

But...

GO ALLEN!!! GO 8-5A

[footballchick07]

this is going to be a great game, SLC has been a powerhouse the past couple of years and Allen is the wild card in this one. if Allen brings it like they did throughout their season, it will be a good game. SLC cant be cocky, this one may not be as easy as they think.

[Red Raiders]

Wow... around 130 voters on this game...

[dragonfootballfan]

How do you beat a spread offense anyway?
The answer to this burning question has eluded me so I decided to do some google-ing and found an old article on Collegefootballnews.com

This is what columnist Pat Fiutak had to say about stopping the spread.

"So how do you stop the spread? Speed. If a defense has fast linebackers able to quickly read and react to what the running game is doing and can quickly drop into pass coverage, the offense will have a hard time generating any rhythm. Get to the quarterback with your fast front seven and you disrupt everything. Talented cornerbacks who can handle receivers without too much safety help can be a nightmare for spread offenses. Did Alex Smith and Utah face any defenses with tremendous speed? Not really, and you saw the results."

Does Allen have a fast defense? yes it does!

this one is gonna be alot closer then what everyone thinks!
LOL, keep it coming this is great. I have never ever heard this before and I certainly have never heard this from any Allen supporters over the past three years.

In all seriousness though, you guys may be fast, but there is no way that you guys are Lufkin fast. Those boys could actually fly.

[dragons08]

LOL, keep it coming this is great. I have never ever heard this before and I certainly have never heard this from any Allen supporters over the past three years.

In all seriousness though, you guys may be fast, but there is no way that you guys are Lufkin fast. Those boys could actually fly.
why cant allen take red bulls then?

[SLCDRGN]

SLC has the best defense since their 3A days. The passing game is second to none......but the running game.......I believe is still questionable. Tre is good for a Soph. but if he goes down, they have no other capable running backs. Moorefield is a great blocker but he absolutely can't run with the ball. If Tre were to go down, I bet our new running back would be Riley Dodge....We don't have anyone else that I am aware of!!

Score for the game this weekend you ask?

SLC 63
Allen 13

This game will turn ugly.....& I mean UGLY!!

[BAMF cowboy]

SLC has the best defense since their 3A days. The passing game is second to none......but the running game.......I believe is still questionable. Tre is good for a Soph. but if he goes down, they have no other capable running backs. Moorefield is a great blocker but he absolutely can't run with the ball. If Tre were to go down, I bet our new running back would be Riley Dodge....We don't have anyone else that I am aware of!!

Score for the game this weekend you ask?

SLC 63
Allen 13

This game will turn ugly.....& I mean UGLY!!

and the fact that moorefield is injured

dodge at rb would be insane

[dragons08]

and the fact that moorefield is injured

dodge at rb would be insane
pm me his injury, KT doesnt want us discussing those on here..

how would it be insane? like good insane or bad insane?

[BAMF cowboy]

pm me his injury, KT doesnt want us discussing those on here..

how would it be insane? like good insane or bad insane?

i thought discussing injuries was okay as long as it wasn't just rumors, and the families had already been informed etc. etc.

insane in a good way, he's lined up at rb before, remember what he turned that broken screen pass into against Grapevine?

[dragons08]

i thought discussing injuries was okay as long as it wasn't just rumors, and the families had already been informed etc. etc.

insane in a good way, he's lined up at rb before, remember what he turned that broken screen pass into against Grapevine?
oh...

yes i remember that!! i also remembr when he threw a screen pass.. :mad:

[BAMF cowboy]

oh...

yes i remember that!! i also remembr when he threw a screen pass.. :mad:

haha, even more reason to line him up at rb

[dragons08]

haha, even more reason to line him up at rb
lets hope we dont have to worry about this! lets hope tre gets the job done!

[SLCDRGN]

I know Moorefield went down last week but I was not aware he was hurt bad.

What is the scoop on his injury?

[dragons08]

I know Moorefield went down last week
oh yeah i remember now, arm wasnt it?

[BAMF cowboy]

oh yeah i remember now, arm wasnt it?

well d08 threatened me not 5 posts ago, but it's a dislocated shoulder. im not sure how serious. i think the fact that he doesnt start, and only gets rotated in a couple plays is reason for him not to risk further injury

[dragons08]

well d08 threatened me not 5 posts ago,
yes, i said if you tell, i cut your head off, if the crew is one person short, you'll know why.. :eek:

[BAMF cowboy]

yes, i said if you tell, i cut your head off, if the crew is one person short, you'll know why.. :eek:

ill be on the look out for a screaming band guy swinging a saxophone uncontrollably

[dragons08]

ill be on the look out for a screaming band guy swinging a saxophone uncontrollably
if that would happen, chances are id hit myself with my saxophone on accident first..

[Arazorback]

can I join this mythological circle jerk? :rolleyes:

[dragons08]

can I join this mythological circle jerk? :rolleyes:
youd fit right in!! :p

[BAMF cowboy]

can I join this mythological circle jerk? :rolleyes:

is that what kids are calling 'conversations' these days?

i actually think you meant 'methodical', but your call

[Arazorback]

I was referring to your mascot ;)

[dragons08]

I was referring to your mascot ;)
your calling charlie the dragon a jerk? i cant belive you just said that

[Arazorback]

your calling charlie the dragon a jerk? i cant belive you just said that

No I was not. Wow, I thought SLC was supposed to be the only exeplary 5a school last year :D

[dragons08]

No I was not. Wow, I thought SLC was supposed to be the only exeplary 5a school last year :D
yes the only 'exeplary'

[BAMF cowboy]

No I was not. Wow, I thought SLC was supposed to be the only exeplary 5a school last year :D

actually Carroll is no longer exemplary, but the next one down, recommended i think?

[dragons08]

actually Carroll is no longer exemplary, but the next one down, recommended i think?
yeah, dont worry it'll go back up next year, your a senior right? :p

[Arazorback]

in that case then I don't think any 5a schools made Exemplary last year, because the teaching staff didn't know how to teach for TAKS. Hopefully that will change.

[TxLawDawg]

in that case then I don't think any 5a schools made Exemplary last year, because the teaching staff didn't know how to teach for TAKS. Hopefully that will change.

There are not any exemplary school districts in the state with 5A high schools. However, according to the Texas Education Agency, Carroll High School was the only 5A High School ranked Exemplary.

[Arazorback]

There are not any exemplary school districts in the state with 5A high schools. However, according to the Texas Education Agency, Carroll High School was the only 5A High School ranked Exemplary.

thats what I thought

[rancher52]

It was just the Senior High (11th & 12th) campus that was exemplary. The 9th & 10th campus was recognized (as was the district). In looking at the list I only saw Highland Park High and two or three Charter schools rated as Exemplary for high school level.

[dragons08]

i have a feeling we get back up to exemplary, i think the district will work that much harder this year to get it back up

[#655321]

their band is also double..
don't they have around 600 band members.

[dragons08]

don't they have around 600 band members.
yep...maybe theres an epidemc and theres only 60 of them at the game, then thatd keep our bigger band streak going..