SEC vs. BIG XII - BCS Championship

[wesaxman34]

Now that Ohio State and USC are out of the picture. :notworthy

[Texasfrog]

Still way way to early but the odds just got much better tonight.;)

[lonny23]

Still way way to early but the odds just got much better tonight.;)
The odds are that nobody in the Big 10 will run the table. The only way to knock the Big 12 and SEC out of the title game is to have a BCS team with fewer losses. There is a better chance that the Big 12 and SEC champs don't lose 2 games than anybody else running the table. Somebody might get lucky and play in the title game at 11-1 or 12-1 because the SEC and Big 12 lost 2 games, but my money is on the SEC vs. Big 12.

[SLC]

The odds are that nobody in the Big 10 will run the table. The only way to knock the Big 12 and SEC out of the title game is to have a BCS team with fewer losses. There is a better chance that the Big 12 and SEC champs don't lose 2 games than anybody else running the table. Somebody might get lucky and play in the title game at 11-1 or 12-1 because the SEC and Big 12 lost 2 games, but my money is on the SEC vs. Big 12.


I get a funny feeling this will be a year when none of the major conferences have an undefeated team....

[theTrutHurts]

The SEC is ridiculous with Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Bama (jury's still out but nice showing against Clemson), South Carolina is solid, Vandy playing well this year, Kentucky undefeated (jury still out) but Louisville looked solid against K state and they shut them down, Ol' Miss is going to surprise some people as well they are good Tennesee is the underperformer thus far in this conference but it is early

Compare that to the Big XII - OU, Texas, Mizzou, Tech, Okie State, Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska (we will see against VT) and even....Baylor has looked solid
As much as I hate the Aggies, they should be good too much talent on the roster and in Texas for them to be performing as they have Get Javorskie the ball in short yardage situations!!!!

Anyway that is 9 - 9 as far as solid teams that should make bowls minus Baylor, but they are on the rise with an electrifying QB
I do think the defensive play is better in the SEC, but obviously the offensive play is better in the big XII and from what i've seen thus far oklahoma seems to be the most complete team of any as much as i hate to say it
The offense is clicking and they have good athletes on defense

Top 3 "Dark horses" from larger conferences - Penn St., USF, Wake Forest (all top 15 teams but don't seem to be getting a lot of respect)
Don't sleep on Penn St.......They look solid.....I'm tellin ya
@ Wisconsin, @ Ohio St........that's the catcher Prior should be ready along with Beanie...
What about USF? Toughest games look to be Pitt, Louisville, and WVU to end the season...I imagine that they will rebound and possibly upset USF if they are able to make it through unscathed
Wake Forest - tests remain versus Clemson, Miami, and ending the season with a tough Vandy team as well as the ACC title game
BYU/Utah/TCU are all solid and hopefully one will be a "BCS buster" If one of them goes undefeated, that team deserves to play for the national championship.
They could possibly all beat each other and end up with one loss
Would the BCS bring one of them if that were to happen?


Who you got your money on? Logic points to Oklahoma vs. who ever survives the death match they call the SEC

I would personally like to see Texas vs. hmmm... Penn St.
I don't know why, but it sounds good and different
I think Texas, Mizzou, and OU can hang with Florida, LSU, and Georgia
An intriguing match up would be Tech vs. Auburn as Chris Todd is the signal-caller at auburn this year...in the cotton bowl......calling it now Chris Todd gets the last laugh

[lonny23]

The SEC is ridiculous with Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Bama (jury's still out but nice showing against Clemson), South Carolina is solid, Vandy playing well this year, Kentucky undefeated (jury still out) but Louisville looked solid against K state and they shut them down, Ol' Miss is going to surprise some people as well they are good Tennesee is the underperformer thus far in this conference but it is early

Compare that to the Big XII - OU, Texas, Mizzou, Tech, Okie State, Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska (we will see against VT) and even....Baylor has looked solid
As much as I hate the Aggies, they should be good too much talent on the roster and in Texas for them to be performing as they have Get Javorskie the ball in short yardage situations!!!!

Anyway that is 9 - 9 as far as solid teams that should make bowls minus Baylor, but they are on the rise with an electrifying QB
I do think the defensive play is better in the SEC, but obviously the offensive play is better in the big XII and from what i've seen thus far oklahoma seems to be the most complete team of any as much as i hate to say it
The offense is clicking and they have good athletes on defense

Top 3 "Dark horses" from larger conferences - Penn St., USF, Wake Forest (all top 15 teams but don't seem to be getting a lot of respect)
Don't sleep on Penn St.......They look solid.....I'm tellin ya
@ Wisconsin, @ Ohio St........that's the catcher Prior should be ready along with Beanie...
What about USF? Toughest games look to be Pitt, Louisville, and WVU to end the season...I imagine that they will rebound and possibly upset USF if they are able to make it through unscathed
Wake Forest - tests remain versus Clemson, Miami, and ending the season with a tough Vandy team as well as the ACC title game
BYU/Utah/TCU are all solid and hopefully one will be a "BCS buster" If one of them goes undefeated, that team deserves to play for the national championship.
They could possibly all beat each other and end up with one loss
Would the BCS bring one of them if that were to happen?


Who you got your money on? Logic points to Oklahoma vs. who ever survives the death match they call the SEC

I would personally like to see Texas vs. hmmm... Penn St.
I don't know why, but it sounds good and different
I think Texas, Mizzou, and OU can hang with Florida, LSU, and Georgia
An intriguing match up would be Tech vs. Auburn as Chris Todd is the signal-caller at auburn this year...in the cotton bowl......calling it now Chris Todd gets the last laughIf there is 1 bowl I'm pretty sure about, it's this. The Big 12 will beat the SEC in the Cotton Bowl. Auburn sure ain't going to beat Tech in Dallas!:D

Penn State is very good. I saw that starting in Week 1.

None of the MWC teams or Boise deserve to play for the title. They can win on any given day against an average BCS team and sometimes beat a fringe Top 15 team, but they'll also barely beat non-BCS teams and would not win big-time in good BCS conferences.

[farmerfan]

If there is 1 bowl I'm pretty sure about, it's this. The Big 12 will beat the SEC in the Cotton Bowl. Auburn sure ain't going to beat Tech in Dallas!:D

Penn State is very good. I saw that starting in Week 1.

None of the MWC teams or Boise deserve to play for the title. They can win on any given day against an average BCS team and sometimes beat a fringe Top 15 team, but they'll also barely beat non-BCS teams and would not win big-time in good BCS conferences.

That sure worked for Alabama now didn't it?
Oh wait nevermind.
Auburn and Tubberville for as much crap as they get about their offense, always produces one of the best defenses in the entire country. Tech would be shell shocked at the blitz packages, the coverage and overall speed of the Tiger Defense.

[lonny23]

The SEC is ridiculous with Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Bama (jury's still out but nice showing against Clemson), South Carolina is solid, Vandy playing well this year, Kentucky undefeated (jury still out) but Louisville looked solid against K state and they shut them down, Ol' Miss is going to surprise some people as well they are good Tennesee is the underperformer thus far in this conference but it is early

Compare that to the Big XII - OU, Texas, Mizzou, Tech, Okie State, Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska (we will see against VT) and even....Baylor has looked solid
As much as I hate the Aggies, they should be good too much talent on the roster and in Texas for them to be performing as they have Get Javorskie the ball in short yardage situations!!!!

Anyway that is 9 - 9 as far as solid teams that should make bowls minus Baylor, but they are on the rise with an electrifying QB
I do think the defensive play is better in the SEC, but obviously the offensive play is better in the big XII and from what i've seen thus far oklahoma seems to be the most complete team of any as much as i hate to say it
The offense is clicking and they have good athletes on defense

Top 3 "Dark horses" from larger conferences - Penn St., USF, Wake Forest (all top 15 teams but don't seem to be getting a lot of respect)
Don't sleep on Penn St.......They look solid.....I'm tellin ya
@ Wisconsin, @ Ohio St........that's the catcher Prior should be ready along with Beanie...
What about USF? Toughest games look to be Pitt, Louisville, and WVU to end the season...I imagine that they will rebound and possibly upset USF if they are able to make it through unscathed
Wake Forest - tests remain versus Clemson, Miami, and ending the season with a tough Vandy team as well as the ACC title game
BYU/Utah/TCU are all solid and hopefully one will be a "BCS buster" If one of them goes undefeated, that team deserves to play for the national championship.
They could possibly all beat each other and end up with one loss
Would the BCS bring one of them if that were to happen?


Who you got your money on? Logic points to Oklahoma vs. who ever survives the death match they call the SEC

I would personally like to see Texas vs. hmmm... Penn St.
I don't know why, but it sounds good and different
I think Texas, Mizzou, and OU can hang with Florida, LSU, and Georgia
An intriguing match up would be Tech vs. Auburn as Chris Todd is the signal-caller at auburn this year...in the cotton bowl......calling it now Chris Todd gets the last laughI'm sure not going to predict this because it's only happened 3 times in major bowls over the years (Once in the Orange Bowl and twice in the Sugar, and never in the Rose, Cotton, Fiesta, or BCS Title Game), but my dream matchup for the BCS Title is:

Texas vs. Texas Tech

In the midst of all the Big 12 vs. SEC talk, what's lost is there is a chance that 2 teams from the same conference play each other for the title. For that to happen, you need:

1. Nobody from the Big 10, ACC, or Big East to run the table. Good chance
2. A SEC or Big 12 team to go 13-0. Possible, but not easy
3. Somebody else from their division to go 11-1 and not play for the Conference Title. About the same odds as #2
4. Either the Big 12 or SEC to have everybody lose 2 games depending on which conference will play for the title. Could happen

I guess there is some chance for this instead of #3, but you might could get a rematch if undefeated Conference Title Game teams play again.

This scenario also ties into why I want Texas to beat Mizzou. As long as Texas beats Mizzou, I know Tech has a shot at a BCS bowl even if they don't win the Big 12. The key to a division having a 2nd BCS bid is always tied to somebody in the other division losing.

I say forget about wanting the Big 12 vs. the SEC. I'd rather have the Big 12 vs. the Big 12 even if it means Texas vs. OU.

This year will all come down to the L's. Non-BCS teams won't pass 1 loss teams from the Big 12 or SEC. Big East, ACC, Pac-10, and Big 10 teams have to run the table to stay in front of 1-loss Big 12 or SEC teams. 1 loss teams in the Big 12 will be in front of 2 loss teams in the SEC and vice versa.

I'm a happy man tonight. I root for a team that many don't trust, but I also root for a team that will move up in the polls this week and will keep moving up as long as they win. How good they end up being will play out over the year, but at least I can be happy knowing they have a shot to win a title as long as they take care of business. Many teams can't say that.

[lonny23]

That sure worked for Alabama now didn't it?
Oh wait nevermind.
Auburn and Tubberville for as much crap as they get about their offense, always produces one of the best defenses in the entire country. Tech would be shell shocked at the blitz packages, the coverage and overall speed of the Tiger Defense.
I have no argument about the Auburn defense. That being said, the #5 team from the SEC won't beat the #3 team from the Big 12. The bowl tie-ins will almost assuredly send the 5th best SEC team to Dallas. There are years that the 2nd best Big 12 team is in Dallas because they don't have 2 BCS bids and because of who played there the year before, you sometimes get less than the Big 12 #3, but you'll get #3 this year unless it turns out to be Mizzou, but even then you're likely to get Texas, OU, or Tech as a de facto #4. I don't think Auburn gets a chance to beat Kansas and I don't think they beat any of the other 4 teams.

[lonny23]

That sure worked for Alabama now didn't it?
Oh wait nevermind.
Auburn and Tubberville for as much crap as they get about their offense, always produces one of the best defenses in the entire country. Tech would be shell shocked at the blitz packages, the coverage and overall speed of the Tiger Defense.
I think 'bama picked up a few Longhorn refs on their way into town. They never would've won that game if they had instant replay that year. It irritates me to no end that a no-offense 'bama team scored their only TD on a pass play where the WR took a knee to catch the ball and then run 76 yards for a TD. I know they always tell kids to play to the whistle and I'd do it myself, but it sure is hard to blame kids for relaxing when you see a guy take a knee catching a ball. You just know the refs are going to blow the whistle.

I'm calling a foul on you because you know the story of that game and mention it anyway. It's the only bowl game Tech has lost since 2002 and it was a game they deserved to win. 'bama had an awesome defense, but Tech fought hard. They held the Tide in check enough on offense and played through Hodges getting hurt and had Harrell in there some as a Freshman. After they tied the score in the 4th when they should've gone ahead, they saw 'bama kick a FG at the end of regulation to win 13-10. That was rightfully a 10-3 Tech game with 'bama needing a late TD to tie instead of a FG to win.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=51FPtrs8tFk&feature=related

[theTrutHurts]

Do I smell a Graham Harrell melt down? Sniff...sniff

Also Lonny....TCU, BYU, and Utah vs. Tech would be a good game.....does that make Tech a fringe top 15 team? I suppose we can compare common opponents in only one way - TCU and Tech both play OU, but we all know that common opponent comparisons don't mean diddly.....

Utah and BYU's QB's would give Tech fits, and TCU is simply a solid team

If one goes undefeated and there is only one or no undefeated big dogs, one of the MWC teams deserves a shot at the trophy

I hope we get the Auburn-Tech match up....what a story line...haha I don't really care about story lines, but a good offense vs. a good defense is always intriguing

On that note....who wins in chess Leach or Tuberville?
Conventional wisdom says Leach would with his attacking style.....but I'm going to go with Tuberville

[theTrutHurts]

How is Tech any better than Kansas?

Pretty much a toss up there.....

Crabtree might provide the edge but only a very slight edge

[theTrutHurts]

I just read your dream match up, and I was thinking the same thing but with texas and oklahoma playing in the NCG....but it is highly unlikely

As far as the play in the Bama - Tech game.......they didn't stop playing

He got a great block from his fellow receiver and took it to the house...they didn't relax I will tell you that much
I was rooting for Tech that game, and they didn't quit and almost won
I enjoyed watching Hodges even though they had a horrible picture of him
(you know what I mean)
Tech also had a bad outing against a bad OSU team that year but were otherwise solid minus the game against the national champions what was that score ? 51-10? 51-17? I'll look it up in a minute, but I think it was actually close early and then became a blow out.

Time for me to take my *** to bed

[lonny23]

How is Tech any better than Kansas?

Pretty much a toss up there.....

Crabtree might provide the edge but only a very slight edge
Passing- Tech.

Running- Tech.

Home crowd- Kansas.

Not taking penalties- Kansas.

Creating turnovers- Tech.

Talent- Tech, but both teams do a great job of taking rated less talent and making them better.

Run defense- Tech gives up fewer yards per carry.

Pass Efficiency Defense- Kansas has a slight lead now, but Tech creates more turnovers. My money is on Tech being better than Kansas in a few weeks.

[lonny23]

I just read your dream match up, and I was thinking the same thing but with texas and oklahoma playing in the NCG....but it is highly unlikely

As far as the play in the Bama - Tech game.......they didn't stop playing

He got a great block from his fellow receiver and took it to the house...they didn't relax I will tell you that much
I was rooting for Tech that game, and they didn't quit and almost won
I enjoyed watching Hodges even though they had a horrible picture of him
(you know what I mean)
Tech also had a bad outing against a bad OSU team that year but were otherwise solid minus the game against the national champions what was that score ? 51-10? 51-17? I'll look it up in a minute, but I think it was actually close early and then became a blow out.

Time for me to take my *** to bedThe UT game was 52-17. Tech tied the game at 10 in the 2nd Quarter and UT took it to them on the next drive. Tech had a punt blocked and Hodges threw an INT in the 2nd and they never had a shot being down 31-10 at halftime. The bright side is I was deployed the whole football season and that saved me from watching that massacre live. I did watch it on TV and that was the only Tech game I got to see on TV all year. It started at like 4 in the morning in Kyrgyzstan.

I don't know what to say about the Oklahoma State game. Tech blew it losing 24-17 to them. It cost them a shot at having a BCS bowl because they would've been in the mix at 10-1, but not at 9-2. We all know that there were 2 plays in the OU game that were talked about, but I've often contended that Henderson scored the TD and the bad call was letting Amendola get the 1st down. That just might be one of the Big 12 special games I like to talk about where the team with the better record wins so the conference looks better. I still say Tech's best chance to beat Texas every year is having a better record going into the game.

Anyway on OSU.

1. I've heard Hodges had a dead arm late in the year that year. In subsequent years, Leach has made adjustments to try to prevent that from happening again by changing up the number of reps, how many QB's practice, etc. I don't know if that affected things or not.

2. I do know Tech's run defense was terrible that game. Tech had a pretty good defense that year and this game was a letdown in that regard.

3. I also know Tech has a bad habit of paying bad the week after they pound A&M and many years, just beat A&M. That is one of my concerns about the Kansas game this year, but I'm hoping a better Tech team and crummier Aggie team keeps Tech on a more even keel and they don't lay an egg in Lawrence.

4. It sure seems like Tech is cursed in Stillwater at times. They've lost their last 3 games in that place. OSU has enough talent and home field advantage that it makes it hard for Tech to win there. The flipside is OSU has never won a game in Lubbock in all these years. OSU almost always has better rated talent than Tech and we just don't overcome that on the road enough. My hope for future Tech football is firmly rooted on my feelings that a top notch coaching staff and a better stable of talent will lead to more big win seasons. Tech doesn't have Top 25 talent yet, but they're getting better and better talented teams each year and that should lead to even more winning. It's not easy to bust the glass ceiling in the South, but they're getting closer almost every year. 2004 and 2005 were huge years and all those problems in 2006 were a setback. They finally started building some momentum back up in 2007 and I'm going to be hot if they blow 2008.

[KLH75287]

Passing- Tech.

Running- Tech.

Home crowd- Kansas.

Not taking penalties- Kansas.

Creating turnovers- Tech.

Talent- Tech, but both teams do a great job of taking rated less talent and making them better.

Run defense- Tech gives up fewer yards per carry.

Pass Efficiency Defense- Kansas has a slight lead now, but Tech creates more turnovers. My money is on Tech being better than Kansas in a few weeks.

I agree 100%

I don't think anyone should count them out just yet. Barring a big collapse, they are going to be in it at the end against the Big 12 powers.

There's a lot of ball left to be played, but it's looking good right now.

One of the best things about Trojan Man going down is that all of the fringe contenders will be stepping it up this weekend for sure and bringing the lumber.

[chunky79]

OU vs LSU

[yankee]

That being said, the #5 team from the SEC won't beat the #3 team from the Big 12.

unless that team is tech...

[wesaxman34]

I just have one of those feelings that OU will go into the bowl season with a loss. If they go undefeated in the regular season, they will lose to Mizzou....there's no way they will get a fourth consecutive win over Chase Daniel.

[farmerfan]

Hey Lonny,

Quit blaming the ******* refs and score more points.

Alabama won that game and Tech lost.

[Texasfrog]

The odds are that nobody in the Big 10 will run the table. The only way to knock the Big 12 and SEC out of the title game is to have a BCS team with fewer losses. There is a better chance that the Big 12 and SEC champs don't lose 2 games than anybody else running the table. Somebody might get lucky and play in the title game at 11-1 or 12-1 because the SEC and Big 12 lost 2 games, but my money is on the SEC vs. Big 12.

I think it will be a 1 loss SEC vs 1 loss Big-12 team in the BCS Title game.