Hypothetical Overtime Question

[BandidoNB]

I had a question about something. "Podunk" and "Genericville" are tied 0-0 and go into overtime. Podunk scores a TD to go up 7-0 in OT. Genericville takes possession of the ball and on its offensive possession, the QB throws the ball, is intercepted by Podunk and run back for a TD on that same play. Would Podunk win 14-0 OT, or would it just not be counted and recorded as a 7-0 OT victory?

[saMavsFan]

I had a question about something. "Podunk" and "Genericville" are tied 0-0 and go into overtime. Podunk scores a TD to go up 7-0 in OT. Genericville takes possession of the ball and on its offensive possession, the QB throws the ball, is intercepted by Podunk and run back for a TD on that same play. Would Podunk win 14-0 OT, or would it just not be counted and recorded as a 7-0 OT victory?

Good question. I think that once Genericville loses possession the game is over, leaving the score 7-0. I don't believe the referees allow a runback in overtime. But I could be wrong.

[cougardude]

Not sure either about the runback, but if they did allow it I doubt they would kick the extra point since it's moot. Final: 13-0 I think;)

[chhspantherfan]

Not sure either about the runback, but if they did allow it I doubt they would kick the extra point since it's moot. Final: 13-0 I think;)


sounds correct, seems a college game ended this way last year

[dd90]

So many districts have a points system as their tie-breaker. So, not only would the TD count, but the extra point would be attempted. Some districts use just positive points and some use positive and negative. Either way it could make a difference in district race. Now, with all that said we teach our kids to go down like they would at the end of regulation. The last thing you would want is to be returning the interception and fumble having the offense pick up the ball and score. Just go down and take the win. That's just the way we would do it. As a side note, if it were late in the season and we needed more points, then that would be a special situation to try and score.

[okt0ber]

I had a question about something. "Podunk" and "Genericville" are tied 0-0 and go into overtime. Podunk scores a TD to go up 7-0 in OT. Genericville takes possession of the ball and on its offensive possession, the QB throws the ball, is intercepted by Podunk and run back for a TD on that same play. Would Podunk win 14-0 OT, or would it just not be counted and recorded as a 7-0 OT victory?

Why can't it be Podunkville?

[LoboFan07]

So many districts have a points system as their tie-breaker. So, not only would the TD count, but the extra point would be attempted. Some districts use just positive points and some use positive and negative. Either way it could make a difference in district race.

Bingo.

I remember listening to a game a couple years ago that was basically like this. The game was over but they still forced them to kick the extra point because of that very reason.

If it was during the playoffs, I would imagine they would let the TD count but not make them kick the extra point as there's no way the other team can come back and win it (as if they blocked the PAT and returned it, the score would be saved for them). But the ball is still live. And the other team could still strip the ball in theory.

[TulsaHale74]

I had a question about something. "Podunk" and "Genericville" are tied 0-0 and go into overtime. Podunk scores a TD to go up 7-0 in OT. Genericville takes possession of the ball and on its offensive possession, the QB throws the ball, is intercepted by Podunk and run back for a TD on that same play. Would Podunk win 14-0 OT, or would it just not be counted and recorded as a 7-0 OT victory?
From the NCAA rulebook in the section about the extra periods:"The ball remains alive after a change of team possession until it is declared dead."

The rules also say "Other than on the try, Team B intercepts a pass or fumble for a touchdown or recovers a fumble or a backward pass and scores a touchdown. RULING: Period and game are ended, and Team B is the winner." This is from an example where neither team scores in the first series and Team B is the team that has the ball second in the series.

The referees will let the play run to its completion after the interception. The score would be 13-0. The extra period and the game are over so no PAT attempt is allowed.

[dragonsdaddy]

From the NCAA rulebook in the section about the extra periods:"The ball remains alive after a change of team possession until it is declared dead."

The rules also say "Other than on the try, Team B intercepts a pass or fumble for a touchdown or recovers a fumble or a backward pass and scores a touchdown. RULING: Period and game are ended, and Team B is the winner." Team B is the team that has the ball second in the series.

The referees will let the play run to its completion after the interception. The score would be 13-0. The extra period and the game are over so no PAT attempt is allowed.
this rule cost hardin-simmons a playoff spot 4 years ago, by that one silly point.

[Magellan]

Okay, here goes:

The touchdown counts to make it 13-0.

But, the overtime rules for the UIL state that any defensive score in overtime ends the game (thus, no PAT).

So, if the game went to OT, Lloyd Bentsen HS wins the coin-toss and goes on defense (they know their kicker is money from 80-yards in, so if they just need a FG, they won't bother running a play and just kick it).

Steve Stockman HS (if you know who Stockman is, you know why he's the other team) throws an INT and it is run back for a TD.

The game ends 6-0. There is no PAT attempt. Forget tie-breakers. If you wanted to win by more, you should have done it in regulation. The rationale behind the rule is the fact it would be anti-climatic to have the other team kneel their way through the PAT and 4 plays on offense, as they don't need to be productive on any of them to hold onto the victory.

[Magellan]

this rule cost hardin-simmons a playoff spot 4 years ago, by that one silly point.

So, you're complaining you only won by 13 in OT? Statistically, that wasn't the problem. It was not winning by more (or losing by less) in any other game.

That's like the old medal-round qualification rules in Olympic Volleyball. I remember watching a match from either Seoul or Barcelona where the US team just had to make sure they didn't lose by a certain amount and they automatically moved on. So, when the other team realized they couldn't make up the point-differential, they walked off the court. If they really wanted to be able to make the outcome mean something, they knew they should have done better in one of the other matches they played. A little surprising they just walked off, but I think we were winning pretty handily already.

[sa panther]

I had a similar question while watching the college game last night.

First OT possession - West Virgina stalls out inside the five and their kicker doinks one off the upright.

Colorado takes over with the score still tied. Any score wins it for them. However, Hawkins throws a pick. He didn't BTW.

If the WVU defender runs it all the way back, does West Virgina win? I say yes. In fact, it would be safe to say that any defensive score would win the game.

[TulsaHale74]

I had a similar question while watching the college game last night.

First OT possession - West Virgina stalls out inside the five and their kicker doinks one off the upright.

Colorado takes over with the score still tied. Any score wins it for them. However, Hawkins throws a pick. He didn't BTW.

If the WVU defender runs it all the way back, does West Virgina win? I say yes. In fact, it would be safe to say that any defensive score would win the game.
Yes, with no PAT.

[trojanbacker]

I understand that Genericville has a D1 running back. They should go far in the playoffs .

[dragonsdaddy]

So, you're complaining you only won by 13 in OT? Statistically, that wasn't the problem. It was not winning by more (or losing by less) in any other game.

That's like the old medal-round qualification rules in Olympic Volleyball. I remember watching a match from either Seoul or Barcelona where the US team just had to make sure they didn't lose by a certain amount and they automatically moved on. So, when the other team realized they couldn't make up the point-differential, they walked off the court. If they really wanted to be able to make the outcome mean something, they knew they should have done better in one of the other matches they played. A little surprising they just walked off, but I think we were winning pretty handily already.the situation was that h-s , after a great defensive stop in the first ot series, scored an offensive td, and couldn't attempt the xp, due to the rules of the time. on the final weekend, etbu tied mh-b and won in ot by a td(1st series, so they got to try and made the xp). the rules have since been changed, i believe, due to that situation.

[Lil_Dragon82]

this rule cost hardin-simmons a playoff spot 4 years ago, by that one silly point.


I was thinkin the same thing as i was reading these

[shooter]

If my team is leading 7-0 in overtime and my defense picks a ball off and the kid tries to run the ball back I would be coming out of my shorts for the kid to run out of bounds or fall down. The risk of something flukey happening and the kid fumbling on his way to the endzone for (at the time) a meaning less score is not worth it.

if this is the last game of the year and you have to win by +11 points then by all means run it back!!!! But only if it's the last game of the year and you are looking at a point deferential situation.

[shooter]

Podunk JV squad went undefeated this past year.

[adcwalker]

Try this link

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Football_Rulesadc982b5-03fb-4e27-828c-c2d26b95e6c1.pdf

Texas HS play by NCAA rules. Link is to the 2008 NCAA rule book.

[JKS]

Try this link

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Football_Rulesadc982b5-03fb-4e27-828c-c2d26b95e6c1.pdf

Texas HS play by NCAA rules. Link is to the 2008 NCAA rule book.

This is true but their are UIL exceptions and one of them says that if the coaches in a regular season district game notify the referees that their district used positive points the PAT in OT will be attempted even if it has no bearing on who wins the game. In the original scenario they would let the play go because you never know the defense might fumble and the offense pick it up and take it in. If it is not a district ball game in a positive points district it ends up 13 point win. If it is a positive points district then the PAT is attempted.

[TulsaHale74]

This is true but their are UIL exceptions and one of them says that if the coaches in a regular season district game notify the referees that their district used positive points the PAT in OT will be attempted even if it has no bearing on who wins the game. In the original scenario they would let the play go because you never know the defense might fumble and the offense pick it up and take it in. If it is not a district ball game in a positive points district it ends up 13 point win. If it is a positive points district then the PAT is attempted.
Great post. I didn't realize UIL had an exception for that.

I'll have to my homework tonight.

[BandidoNB]

This is true but their are UIL exceptions and one of them says that if the coaches in a regular season district game notify the referees that their district used positive points the PAT in OT will be attempted even if it has no bearing on who wins the game. In the original scenario they would let the play go because you never know the defense might fumble and the offense pick it up and take it in. If it is not a district ball game in a positive points district it ends up 13 point win. If it is a positive points district then the PAT is attempted.


I remember one time NB and NB Canyon were tied 10-10 and went into overtime. NB Canyon made a field goal to go up 13-10, and then NB scored on its OT possession to go up 16-13; we were then required to go for the extra point to win 17-13 in OT, so that sounds about right.

[BandidoNB]

I understand that Genericville has a D1 running back. They should go far in the playoffs .

Ya I bet he wakes up every morning to Hill Country Fare eggs and cereal too, huh?

[Magellan]

Let's face it, folks. Genericville and Podunk aren't super-powers. Just wait until they play Enormous City HS in the playoffs!!!

In all seriousness, does anyone really enjoy OT from your opponent's 25-yard-line? For 4A and 5A schools, that should be a gimme FG if you don't do something stupid like a turnover or end up with 4th and >10. There's bound to be SOMEONE from off the soccer team that can nail a 42-yarder at any school. Wouldn't it be more exciting to have to go from the 50? Or better yet, your own 25 (or 35)??? That way, barring a record FG, a team would actually have to achieve a first-down (or two) before being able to score?

[tjw]

Let's face it, folks. Genericville and Podunk aren't super-powers. Just wait until they play Enormous City HS in the playoffs!!!

In all seriousness, does anyone really enjoy OT from your opponent's 25-yard-line? For 4A and 5A schools, that should be a gimme FG if you don't do something stupid like a turnover or end up with 4th and >10. There's bound to be SOMEONE from off the soccer team that can nail a 42-yarder at any school. Wouldn't it be more exciting to have to go from the 50? Or better yet, your own 25 (or 35)??? That way, barring a record FG, a team would actually have to achieve a first-down (or two) before being able to score?

Ask Desoto ;) Think they've missed more extra points then made, so 25 yd FG is not gimme to them. :D

[#1texasgreat]

This is true but their are UIL exceptions and one of them says that if the coaches in a regular season district game notify the referees that their district used positive points the PAT in OT will be attempted even if it has no bearing on who wins the game. In the original scenario they would let the play go because you never know the defense might fumble and the offense pick it up and take it in. If it is not a district ball game in a positive points district it ends up 13 point win. If it is a positive points district then the PAT is attempted.

he is absolutely 100% correct!!! i was just about to give the same answer befopre i read this post...

[StrongDog]

Let's face it, folks. Genericville and Podunk aren't super-powers. Just wait until they play Enormous City HS in the playoffs!!!

In all seriousness, does anyone really enjoy OT from your opponent's 25-yard-line? For 4A and 5A schools, that should be a gimme FG if you don't do something stupid like a turnover or end up with 4th and >10. There's bound to be SOMEONE from off the soccer team that can nail a 42-yarder at any school. Wouldn't it be more exciting to have to go from the 50? Or better yet, your own 25 (or 35)??? That way, barring a record FG, a team would actually have to achieve a first-down (or two) before being able to score?

No field goal is ever a gimme, especially in OT.

[dragonsdaddy]

Let's face it, folks. Genericville and Podunk aren't super-powers. Just wait until they play Enormous City HS in the playoffs!!!

In all seriousness, does anyone really enjoy OT from your opponent's 25-yard-line? For 4A and 5A schools, that should be a gimme FG if you don't do something stupid like a turnover or end up with 4th and >10. There's bound to be SOMEONE from off the soccer team that can nail a 42-yarder at any school. Wouldn't it be more exciting to have to go from the 50? Or better yet, your own 25 (or 35)??? That way, barring a record FG, a team would actually have to achieve a first-down (or two) before being able to score?

"i agree completely"

signed

desoto's fg kicker