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the_phoenix612
09-13-2008, 10:16 AM
When people lie to America repeatedly and get away with it?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/12/mccain-palin-view/
:Censor:politicians.
TulsaHale74
09-13-2008, 10:28 AM
[What is it called] When people lie to America repeatedly and get away with it?....
"Politics", grasshopper.
the_phoenix612
09-13-2008, 10:41 AM
"Politics", grasshopper.
I'm sick of the media allowing blatant lying to go on (on both sides of the aisle).
Why do we have a media if they don't function as a check on the campaigns and STOP them from doing this???
patient1019
09-13-2008, 11:49 AM
I'm sick of the media allowing blatant lying to go on (on both sides of the aisle).
Why do we have a media if they don't function as a check on the campaigns and STOP them from doing this???
Ratings.
svhorns
09-13-2008, 12:40 PM
When people lie to America repeatedly and get away with it?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/12/mccain-palin-view/
:Censor:politicians.
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drgnbkr
09-13-2008, 12:40 PM
I'm sick of the media allowing blatant lying to go on (on both sides of the aisle).
Why do we have a media if they don't function as a check on the campaigns and STOP them from doing this???
You really want people to believe that don't you? Governors don't request earmarks, Congress does......She agrees with McCain and doesn't want them to continue. Those witches on the view also tried to say that Obama didn't vote for the K-12 sex education bill, which he clearly did, and McCain set them straight on that also...Any reference to the crap those clowns on the view spew, should come with a disclaimer.
the_phoenix612
09-13-2008, 12:47 PM
You really want people to believe that don't you? Governors don't request earmarks, Congress does......She agrees with McCain and doesn't want them to continue. Those witches on the view also tried to say that Obama didn't vote for the K-12 sex education bill, which he clearly did, and McCain set them straight on that also...Any reference to the crap those clowns on the view spew, should come with a disclaimer.
as should any crap YOU spew.
drgnbkr
09-13-2008, 12:53 PM
as should any crap YOU spew.
Now your getting out of hand..If you can't carry on a conversation, don't post...If you have something to add..fine. If the women of the view are your reference source, you need some new material.:p
the_phoenix612
09-13-2008, 01:17 PM
Now your getting out of hand..If you can't carry on a conversation, don't post...If you have something to add..fine. If the women of the view are your reference source, you need some new material.:p
you have nothing to add either.
you're just repeating the McCain/Palin LIES.
saying something again does not make it true, y'know...
stevefoxsc
09-13-2008, 01:43 PM
Take Cover Liberal Spam Incoming!
chhspantherfan
09-13-2008, 01:48 PM
you have nothing to add either.
you're just repeating the McCain/Palin LIES.
saying something again does not make it true, y'know...
and you my 5A friend, are naive.
the_phoenix612
09-13-2008, 02:00 PM
and you my 5A friend, are naive.
and how is that?
i find it somehow not surprising at all that you guys refuse to respond to the video posted, but turn it around and attack me to distract from the fact that your candidate(s) are pathetically misguided and apparently unable to remember their stances/histories for more than 2 hours at a time.
chhspantherfan
09-13-2008, 02:04 PM
and how is that?
i find it somehow not surprising at all that you guys refuse to respond to the video posted, but turn it around and attack me to distract from the fact that your candidate(s) are pathetically misguided and apparently unable to remember their stances/histories for more than 2 hours at a time.
that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. My opinion is that you will change your perspective over time and see things a little differently. As for responding to a video, I see no need to respond as I disagree with your interpretation. You have your opinion, I have mine. Ain't life great?:D
and you my 5A friend, are naive.
This^
the_phoenix612
09-13-2008, 02:21 PM
that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. My opinion is that you will change your perspective over time and see things a little differently. As for responding to a video, I see no need to respond as I disagree with your interpretation. You have your opinion, I have mine. Ain't life great?:D
fair enough.
drgnbkr
09-13-2008, 04:10 PM
that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. My opinion is that you will change your perspective over time and see things a little differently. As for responding to a video, I see no need to respond as I disagree with your interpretation. You have your opinion, I have mine. Ain't life great?:D
Ditto & out!:D
HUM398
09-13-2008, 04:12 PM
who cares.
Select all is a cry baby...who opinions are as valid as the toilet i sat on this morning.
Get back to us when you are voting age.....Im glad you are taking an interest, but seriously...shut up already. it seems that the only thing you are capable of contributing to the board is the usual videos and term papers...get original. We are starting to see through the genius that is Select All
i feel like grabing a [blank] and [blank], then proceed to [blank] myself....
I'm sick of the media allowing blatant lying to go on (on both sides of the aisle).
Why do we have a media if they don't function as a check on the campaigns and STOP them from doing this???
Ratings=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Any questions?;)
ktCarl
09-13-2008, 07:02 PM
I'm sick of the media allowing blatant lying to go on (on both sides of the aisle).
Why do we have a media if they don't function as a check on the campaigns and STOP them from doing this??? ala Chris Matthews on CNBC?
Wow! You're gonna blow a gasket on this one. You better get used to it in the political world. Remember a President looking at the camera in view of all America and saying, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."?
If you want to be a politician in government you must take 'I CAN tell a lie 101'.
Note: The View is not a very good source for information.
Keep up the spirited commentary and don't let Obama and Biden get away with lying also.
Dawg Fan
09-13-2008, 10:24 PM
phoenix has passion although misguided. He loves to call people stupid but when confronted cries about being picked on. One day down the road life will come into focus and reality will kick him hard in the gut.;)
the_phoenix612
09-14-2008, 01:12 AM
phoenix has passion although misguided. He loves to call people stupid but when confronted cries about being picked on. One day down the road life will come into focus and reality will kick him hard in the gut.;)
im still trying to find the point at which i shed tears.
beats me :rolleyes:
im still trying to find the point at which i shed tears.
beats me :rolleyes:
Prolly then:D
;)
GoOwls
09-14-2008, 01:02 PM
you have nothing to add either.
you're just repeating the McCain/Palin LIES.
saying something again does not make it true, y'know...
You made a reference to "both sides of the aisle", but you only post the lies that support your political leanings....you never post about specific lies told by The Obamessiah or the Democrats or liberals.....
...that is blatant hypocrisy....nothing else....and as long as you not only participate in it, but rabidly support it, your words hold no importance.... vacant, meaningless words....:(
the_phoenix612
09-14-2008, 01:05 PM
You made a reference to "both sides of the aisle", but you only post the lies that support your political leanings....you never post about specific lies told by The Obamessiah or the Democrats or liberals.....
...that is blatant hypocrisy....nothing else....and as long as you not only participate in it, but rabidly support it, your words hold no importance.... vacant, meaningless words....:(
when i catch them, i do post them.
unfortunately, all the threads in which i had done so are gone....
GoOwls
09-14-2008, 01:07 PM
phoenix has passion although misguided. He loves to call people stupid but when confronted cries about being picked on. One day down the road life will come into focus and reality will kick him hard in the gut.;)
I love it when 17 year olds try to give us political and life lessons, when all the meaningful things they have was provided by their parents.....
.....by his standards that he holds Palin to, experience-wise, he shouldn't be allowed to post on this BB because he doesn't have enough experience to do it responsibly....;) :D
Dawg Fan
09-14-2008, 01:07 PM
when i catch them, i do post them.
unfortunately, all the threads in which i had done so are gone....
how utterly convenient:rolleyes:
You really want people to believe that don't you? Governors don't request earmarks, Congress does......She agrees with McCain and doesn't want them to continue. Those witches on the view also tried to say that Obama didn't vote for the K-12 sex education bill, which he clearly did, and McCain set them straight on that also...Any reference to the crap those clowns on the view spew, should come with a disclaimer.
hmmm..
Sarah Palin on Congressional Spending and the ''Bridge to Nowhere':
GIBSON: One of John McCain's central campaign arguments, tenets of his campaign, is eliminating earmarks, getting rid of them. Are you with John McCain on that?
PALIN: I certainly am. And of course the poster child for the earmarks was Alaska's, what people in the lower 48 refer to as the bridge to nowhere. First it was a bridge to community with an airport in southeast Alaska. But that was excessive. And an earmark -- an earmark like that, not even supported necessarily by the majority of Alaskans. We killed that earmark. We killed that project...
GIBSON: You have said continually, since he chose you as his vice presidential nominee, that I said to Congress, thanks but not thanks. If we're going to build that bridge, we'll build it ourselves.
PALIN: Right.
GIBSON: But it's now pretty clearly documented. You supported that bridge before you opposed it. You were wearing a T-shirt in the 2006 campaign, showed your support for the bidge to nowhere.
PALIN: I was wearing a T-shirt with the Zip code of the community that was asking for that bridge. Not all the people in that community even were asking for a $400 million or $300 million bridge.
GIBSON: But you turned against it after Congress had basically pulled the plug on it; after it became apparent that the state was going to have to pay for it, not the Congress; and after it became a national embarrassment to the state of Alaska. So do you want to revise and extend your remarks?
PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form -- earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that's what John McCain has fought. And that's what I joined him in fighting. It's been an embarrassment, not just Alaska's projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment. And, as I've said over and over, if Alaska wants that bridge, $300 million, $400 million dollars, over to that island with an airport, we'll find a way to build it ourselves. The rest of the country doesn't have to build that for us.
GIBSON: But you were for it before you were against it. You were solidly for it for quite some period of time...
PALIN: I was ...
GIBSON: ... until Congress pulled the plug.
PALIN: I was for infrastructure being built in the state. And it's not inappropriate for a mayor or for a governor to request and to work with their Congress and their congressmen, their congresswomen, to plug into the federal budget along with every other state a share of the federal budget for infrastructure.
GIBSON: Right.
PALIN: What I supported was the link between a community and its airport. And we have found that link now.
GIBSON: But you didn't say no to Congress, well build it ourselves until after they pulled the plug. Correct?
PALIN: No, because Congress still allowed those dollars to come into Alaska. They did.
GIBSON: Well, but ...
PALIN: Transportation fund dollars still came into Alaska. It was our choice, Charlie, whether we were going to spend it on a bridge or not. And I said, thanks, but no thanks. We're not going to spend it on the bridge.
PALIN: And now obviously, Charlie, with the federal government saying, no, the rest of the nation does not want to fund that project. You have a choice. You either read the writing on the wall and understand okay, yes, that, that project's going nowhere. And the state isn't willing to fund that project. So what good does it do to continue to support something that circumstances have so drastically changed? You call an audible, and you deal in reality, and you move on. And, Charlie, we killed the bridge to nowhere and that's the bottom line.
GIBSON: The state of Alaska, under OMB figures in 2008, got $155 million in earmarks for a population of 670,000. That's $231 per person in Alaska. The state of Illinois, Obama's state, got $22 per person. You got 10 times per person as much. How does that square with your reforms?
PALIN: We have drastically, drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office.
GIBSON: But you still have multiple of any other state.
PALIN: We sure are -- and this is what -- you go out and you ask any Alaskan this. This is what I've been telling Alaskans for these years that I've been in office, is no more.
GIBSON: Governor, this year, requested $3.2 million for researching the genetics of harbor seals, money to study the mating habits of crabs. Isn't that exactly the kind of thing that John McCain is objecting to?
PALIN: Those requests, through our research divisions and fish and game and our wildlife departments and our universities, those research requests did come through that system, but wanting it to be in the light of day, not behind closed doors, with lobbyists making deals with Congress to stick things in there under the public radar. That's the abuse that we're going to stop. That's what John McCain has promised over and over for these years and that's what I'm joining him, also, saying, you're right, the abuse of earmarks, it's un-American, it's undemocratic, and it's not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5789483&page=1
I admit I really do not understand this process fully. This exchange still confuses the beeezers out of me.
She supported th funds being sent to Alaska to build a bridge.
The rest of the US decides it's a dumb idea.
She then says she is against it
Instead of the funds going back to the US and the people, it still goes to Alaska to fund other projects, which the state didn't prioritize originally.
That is reform and giving government back to the people.
GoOwls
09-14-2008, 01:52 PM
when i catch them, i do post them.
unfortunately, all the threads in which i had done so are gone....
convenient.....:rolleyes:
the_phoenix612
09-14-2008, 01:54 PM
convenient.....:rolleyes:
sorry :/
GoOwls
09-14-2008, 02:00 PM
hmmm..
Sarah Palin on Congressional Spending and the ''Bridge to Nowhere':
GIBSON: One of John McCain's central campaign arguments, tenets of his campaign, is eliminating earmarks, getting rid of them. Are you with John McCain on that?
PALIN: I certainly am. And of course the poster child for the earmarks was Alaska's, what people in the lower 48 refer to as the bridge to nowhere. First it was a bridge to community with an airport in southeast Alaska. But that was excessive. And an earmark -- an earmark like that, not even supported necessarily by the majority of Alaskans. We killed that earmark. We killed that project...
GIBSON: You have said continually, since he chose you as his vice presidential nominee, that I said to Congress, thanks but not thanks. If we're going to build that bridge, we'll build it ourselves.
PALIN: Right.
GIBSON: But it's now pretty clearly documented. You supported that bridge before you opposed it. You were wearing a T-shirt in the 2006 campaign, showed your support for the bidge to nowhere.
PALIN: I was wearing a T-shirt with the Zip code of the community that was asking for that bridge. Not all the people in that community even were asking for a $400 million or $300 million bridge.
GIBSON: But you turned against it after Congress had basically pulled the plug on it; after it became apparent that the state was going to have to pay for it, not the Congress; and after it became a national embarrassment to the state of Alaska. So do you want to revise and extend your remarks?
PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form -- earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that's what John McCain has fought. And that's what I joined him in fighting. It's been an embarrassment, not just Alaska's projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment. And, as I've said over and over, if Alaska wants that bridge, $300 million, $400 million dollars, over to that island with an airport, we'll find a way to build it ourselves. The rest of the country doesn't have to build that for us.
GIBSON: But you were for it before you were against it. You were solidly for it for quite some period of time...
PALIN: I was ...
GIBSON: ... until Congress pulled the plug.
PALIN: I was for infrastructure being built in the state. And it's not inappropriate for a mayor or for a governor to request and to work with their Congress and their congressmen, their congresswomen, to plug into the federal budget along with every other state a share of the federal budget for infrastructure.
GIBSON: Right.
PALIN: What I supported was the link between a community and its airport. And we have found that link now.
GIBSON: But you didn't say no to Congress, well build it ourselves until after they pulled the plug. Correct?
PALIN: No, because Congress still allowed those dollars to come into Alaska. They did.
GIBSON: Well, but ...
PALIN: Transportation fund dollars still came into Alaska. It was our choice, Charlie, whether we were going to spend it on a bridge or not. And I said, thanks, but no thanks. We're not going to spend it on the bridge.
PALIN: And now obviously, Charlie, with the federal government saying, no, the rest of the nation does not want to fund that project. You have a choice. You either read the writing on the wall and understand okay, yes, that, that project's going nowhere. And the state isn't willing to fund that project. So what good does it do to continue to support something that circumstances have so drastically changed? You call an audible, and you deal in reality, and you move on. And, Charlie, we killed the bridge to nowhere and that's the bottom line.
GIBSON: The state of Alaska, under OMB figures in 2008, got $155 million in earmarks for a population of 670,000. That's $231 per person in Alaska. The state of Illinois, Obama's state, got $22 per person. You got 10 times per person as much. How does that square with your reforms?
PALIN: We have drastically, drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office.
GIBSON: But you still have multiple of any other state.
PALIN: We sure are -- and this is what -- you go out and you ask any Alaskan this. This is what I've been telling Alaskans for these years that I've been in office, is no more.
GIBSON: Governor, this year, requested $3.2 million for researching the genetics of harbor seals, money to study the mating habits of crabs. Isn't that exactly the kind of thing that John McCain is objecting to?
PALIN: Those requests, through our research divisions and fish and game and our wildlife departments and our universities, those research requests did come through that system, but wanting it to be in the light of day, not behind closed doors, with lobbyists making deals with Congress to stick things in there under the public radar. That's the abuse that we're going to stop. That's what John McCain has promised over and over for these years and that's what I'm joining him, also, saying, you're right, the abuse of earmarks, it's un-American, it's undemocratic, and it's not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5789483&page=1
I admit I really do not understand this process fully. This exchange still confuses the beeezers out of me.
She supported th funds being sent to Alaska to build a bridge.
The rest of the US decides it's a dumb idea.
She then says she is against it
Instead of the funds going back to the US and the people, it still goes to Alaska to fund other projects, which the state didn't prioritize originally.
That is reform and giving government back to the people.
Now I don't know what I'm talking about either, but it sounds like to me that she supported something, then in an exective decision, decided that it wasn't such a good idea after all, then, the govt. gives the money anyway, so it is given to other projects that will supposedly better help the Alaskan people.....sounds like reform and giving government back to the people to me.....JMHO.....better than just going ahead with a project you don't believe in anymore.....sounds like a person not affraid to change their mind and do the right thing....sounds like a typical hockey mom to me....;) :D
What it sounds like to me is what government doe. That's get as much money is you possibly can.
There was a $^&% load of money coming Alaska's way. Congress decided and said the money wouldn't be used of this bridge. A reformer would have been agains it and said you keep the money, not "Well if I can't spend it on that I'll spend it on something else". How is that reform?
Reminds me of my wife coming home telling me how well she did by saving $200. Great, but you spent $500, you dope.
GoOwls
09-14-2008, 02:12 PM
sorry :/
You said it.....not me.....;)
GoOwls
09-14-2008, 02:19 PM
What it sounds like to me is what government doe. That's get as much money is you possibly can.
There was a $^&% load of money coming Alaska's way. Congress decided and said the money wouldn't be used of this bridge. A reformer would have been agains it and said you keep the money, not "Well if I can't spend it on that I'll spend it on something else". How is that reform?
Reminds me of my wife coming home telling me how well she did by saving $200. Great, but you spent $500, you dope.
Reform is, as reform does......:eek:
One man's reform is another man's hypocrisy....:eek:
Some would say that getting money from the feds, as much as possible, for your state is good governing because it's all about your state, right, you don't care about Vermont or North Dakota.....your job is to govern Alaska and to get as much funding as possible, for free, for your people.
Some would call that something else...it's kind of like looking at a toilet bowl from down on the floor or from up on the ceiling...your view gives perspective.
Reform is, as reform does......:eek:
One man's reform is another man's hypocrisy....:eek:
Some would say that getting money from the feds, as much as possible, for your state is good governing because it's all about your state, right, you don't care about Vermont or North Dakota.....your job is to govern Alaska and to get as much funding as possible, for free, for your people.
Some would call that something else...it's kind of like looking at a toilet bowl from down on the floor or from up on the ceiling...your view gives perspective.
No doubt. Just sounds kind of funny now. I really have no idea how anyone could listen to this and not say, "You're so full of crap, your eyes are brown".
PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form -- earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that's what John McCain has fought. And that's what I joined him in fighting. It's been an embarrassment, not just Alaska's projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment. And, as I've said over and over, if Alaska wants that bridge, $300 million, $400 million dollars, over to that island with an airport, we'll find a way to build it ourselves. The rest of the country doesn't have to build that for us.
GoOwls
09-14-2008, 02:29 PM
No doubt. Just sounds kind of funny now. I really have no idea how anyone could listen to this and not say, "You're so full of crap, your eyes are brown".
PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form -- earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that's what John McCain has fought. And that's what I joined him in fighting. It's been an embarrassment, not just Alaska's projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment. And, as I've said over and over, if Alaska wants that bridge, $300 million, $400 million dollars, over to that island with an airport, we'll find a way to build it ourselves. The rest of the country doesn't have to build that for us.
Yeah, but to single her out as a politician that said stupid things is just wrong. Any politician worth his or her salt has said rediculous things...it's the nature of the beast.
Yeah, but to single her out as a politician that said stupid things is just wrong. Any politician worth his or her salt has said rediculous things...it's the nature of the beast.
She is the biggest unknown of the four players in the race at the moment. How is that wrong?
GoOwls
09-14-2008, 02:46 PM
She is the biggest unknown of the four players in the race at the moment. How is that wrong?
Momma always said....point a finger at someone, you got 3 pointing back at you.....:D
I understand about political speech, much like coach talk.
Palin was brought aboard to be a reformer and "go to Washington and shake things up". I think it's valid point to ask her why as mayor of Wasilla she hired a lobbyist in DC as well as to question the federal funding requests in her state and what her part was.
Firebird
09-14-2008, 03:34 PM
I understand about political speech, much like coach talk.
Palin was brought aboard to be a reformer and "go to Washington and shake things up". I think it's valid point to ask her why as mayor of Wasilla she hired a lobbyist in DC as well as to question the federal funding requests in her state and what her part was.
She did it because she is not a reformer in any real sense of the word. She reformed the Alaska government in that she kicked out the old people and brought in her people. She spent federal funds on projects she liked instead of projects other people like. Her record is clear, she is nothing but a usual state politician, but she reminds people of themselves.
Firebird
09-14-2008, 03:43 PM
Momma always said....point a finger at someone, you got 3 pointing back at you.....:D
I have noticed that anytime someone says anything about "Our Sarah", your first defense is to say..
"Yeah, BUT Obama....."
or
"So does every other politician...."
That is no defense. Demand more from the people you vote for and stop letting yourself get played by these dopes in the GOP. They've done nothing but manipulate cultural conservatives and small government conseratives for their votes and then kicked crap on them once in office. Stop letting the identity politics work.
mojotrain
09-14-2008, 04:02 PM
I'm sick of the media allowing blatant lying to go on (on both sides of the aisle).
Why do we have a media if they don't function as a check on the campaigns and STOP them from doing this???
We don't HAVE a media. It's a free press and they are allowed to be slanted left or right. Get upset, but beyond that, don't be overly concerned. Free, clear thinkers go way beyond media of any type, to make life decisions.
mojotrain
09-14-2008, 04:06 PM
hmmm..
Sarah Palin on Congressional Spending and the ''Bridge to Nowhere':
GIBSON: One of John McCain's central campaign arguments, tenets of his campaign, is eliminating earmarks, getting rid of them. Are you with John McCain on that?
PALIN: I certainly am. And of course the poster child for the earmarks was Alaska's, what people in the lower 48 refer to as the bridge to nowhere. First it was a bridge to community with an airport in southeast Alaska. But that was excessive. And an earmark -- an earmark like that, not even supported necessarily by the majority of Alaskans. We killed that earmark. We killed that project...
GIBSON: You have said continually, since he chose you as his vice presidential nominee, that I said to Congress, thanks but not thanks. If we're going to build that bridge, we'll build it ourselves.
PALIN: Right.
GIBSON: But it's now pretty clearly documented. You supported that bridge before you opposed it. You were wearing a T-shirt in the 2006 campaign, showed your support for the bidge to nowhere.
PALIN: I was wearing a T-shirt with the Zip code of the community that was asking for that bridge. Not all the people in that community even were asking for a $400 million or $300 million bridge.
GIBSON: But you turned against it after Congress had basically pulled the plug on it; after it became apparent that the state was going to have to pay for it, not the Congress; and after it became a national embarrassment to the state of Alaska. So do you want to revise and extend your remarks?
PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form -- earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that's what John McCain has fought. And that's what I joined him in fighting. It's been an embarrassment, not just Alaska's projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment. And, as I've said over and over, if Alaska wants that bridge, $300 million, $400 million dollars, over to that island with an airport, we'll find a way to build it ourselves. The rest of the country doesn't have to build that for us.
GIBSON: But you were for it before you were against it. You were solidly for it for quite some period of time...
PALIN: I was ...
GIBSON: ... until Congress pulled the plug.
PALIN: I was for infrastructure being built in the state. And it's not inappropriate for a mayor or for a governor to request and to work with their Congress and their congressmen, their congresswomen, to plug into the federal budget along with every other state a share of the federal budget for infrastructure.
GIBSON: Right.
PALIN: What I supported was the link between a community and its airport. And we have found that link now.
GIBSON: But you didn't say no to Congress, well build it ourselves until after they pulled the plug. Correct?
PALIN: No, because Congress still allowed those dollars to come into Alaska. They did.
GIBSON: Well, but ...
PALIN: Transportation fund dollars still came into Alaska. It was our choice, Charlie, whether we were going to spend it on a bridge or not. And I said, thanks, but no thanks. We're not going to spend it on the bridge.
PALIN: And now obviously, Charlie, with the federal government saying, no, the rest of the nation does not want to fund that project. You have a choice. You either read the writing on the wall and understand okay, yes, that, that project's going nowhere. And the state isn't willing to fund that project. So what good does it do to continue to support something that circumstances have so drastically changed? You call an audible, and you deal in reality, and you move on. And, Charlie, we killed the bridge to nowhere and that's the bottom line.
GIBSON: The state of Alaska, under OMB figures in 2008, got $155 million in earmarks for a population of 670,000. That's $231 per person in Alaska. The state of Illinois, Obama's state, got $22 per person. You got 10 times per person as much. How does that square with your reforms?
PALIN: We have drastically, drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office.
GIBSON: But you still have multiple of any other state.
PALIN: We sure are -- and this is what -- you go out and you ask any Alaskan this. This is what I've been telling Alaskans for these years that I've been in office, is no more.
GIBSON: Governor, this year, requested $3.2 million for researching the genetics of harbor seals, money to study the mating habits of crabs. Isn't that exactly the kind of thing that John McCain is objecting to?
PALIN: Those requests, through our research divisions and fish and game and our wildlife departments and our universities, those research requests did come through that system, but wanting it to be in the light of day, not behind closed doors, with lobbyists making deals with Congress to stick things in there under the public radar. That's the abuse that we're going to stop. That's what John McCain has promised over and over for these years and that's what I'm joining him, also, saying, you're right, the abuse of earmarks, it's un-American, it's undemocratic, and it's not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5789483&page=1
I admit I really do not understand this process fully. This exchange still confuses the beeezers out of me.
She supported th funds being sent to Alaska to build a bridge.
The rest of the US decides it's a dumb idea.
She then says she is against it
Instead of the funds going back to the US and the people, it still goes to Alaska to fund other projects, which the state didn't prioritize originally.
That is reform and giving government back to the people.
I have a lot more concern about Teddy and his involvement with the murder of a very young lady.
Firebird
09-14-2008, 04:10 PM
I have a lot more concern about Teddy and his involvement with the murder of a very young lady.
How is that relevant? Is Ted Kennedy running for president? Were any of the current candidate present? You're like GoOwls, only cruder. Any criticsim of your candidate is not met with a rebuttal or response, merely a finger pointed at someone else.
Keep tossing those fish out there.....:rolleyes:
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html
mojotrain
09-14-2008, 04:24 PM
She is the biggest unknown of the four players in the race at the moment. How is that wrong?
She is not running for President. The unknown and inexperienced running for President in this race is called dumbama. Today at this moment.... She, running on the Republican ticket is as well know as dumbama.
She is not running for President. The unknown and inexperienced running for President in this race is called dumbama. Today at this moment.... She, running on the Republican ticket is as well know as dumbama.
...and when McCain dies of natural causes the second year of his term Palin becomes president.
I have a lot more concern about Teddy and his involvement with the murder of a very young lady.
I read this post and thought it was one of the dumbest I've read.
Then I read this one:
She is not running for President. The unknown and inexperienced running for President in this race is called dumbama. Today at this moment.... She, running on the Republican ticket is as well know as dumbama.
What on earth are you talking about?
mojotrain
09-14-2008, 05:10 PM
How is that relevant? Is Ted Kennedy running for president? Were any of the current candidate present? You're like GoOwls, only cruder. Any criticsim of your candidate is not met with a rebuttal or response, merely a finger pointed at someone else.
Keep tossing those fish out there.....:rolleyes:
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html
Yes, its relevant. obama didn't invent socialism. Kennedy was one way before obama. obama is know for the company he keeps. obama is a clone of Kennedy as well as other blisters and boils such as the rev wright and the idiot who wants to blow up the United States(get the wee one to look up this name for me.) . obama is Kennedy. obama is of all those he has buddied with and done favors for over his nothingless period of time in service to the socialist party..
The real relevance is, its a battle of America against kennedy, socialist and those who support them.
Any criticism of your socialist ideas are met with ....socialistic replys, of course you are.:)(this smiley face should not be construed as My attempt at a joke)
Thanks for the old owl compliment.
PS I'm trying to locate the name of the Calif. socialist, house or senate member who was involved with the young girl that vanished while under his guidence just before 9-11. Would you or the wee one consider looking it up for me. Perhaps you might just go down the hall and ask someone smart if you don't have time.
mojotrain
09-14-2008, 05:14 PM
...and when McCain dies of natural causes the second year of his term Palin becomes president.
Then we at least have someone in place with two years as president. Thats a better deal than the never been nothing the never done nothing from Ill.
mojotrain
09-14-2008, 05:17 PM
I read this post and thought it was one of the dumbest I've read.
Then I read this one:
What on earth are you talking about?
Ok, she is better known than dubama.
Firebird
09-14-2008, 05:23 PM
Yes, its relevant. obama didn't invent socialism. Kennedy was one way before obama. obama is know for the company he keeps. obama is a clone of Kennedy as well as other blisters and boils such as the rev wright and the idiot who wants to blow up the United States(get the wee one to look up this name for me.) . obama is Kennedy. obama is of all those he has buddied with and done favors for over his nothingless period of time in service to the socialist party..
The real relevance is, its a battle of America against kennedy, socialist and those who support them.
Any criticism of your socialist ideas are met with ....socialistic replys, of course you are.:)(this smiley face should not be construed as My attempt at a joke)
Thanks for the old owl compliment.
PS I'm trying to locate the name of the Calif. socialist, house or senate member who was involved with the young girl that vanished while under his guidence just before 9-11. Would you or the wee one consider looking it up for me. Perhaps you might just go down the hall and ask someone smart if you don't have time.
McCain and Our Sarah are in the same party as a dude who trolled for anonymous gay sex in a restroom.
Ok, she is better know than dubama.
wow
the_phoenix612
09-14-2008, 07:26 PM
Yes, its relevant. obama didn't invent socialism. Kennedy was one way before obama. obama is know for the company he keeps. obama is a clone of Kennedy as well as other blisters and boils such as the rev wright and the idiot who wants to blow up the United States(get the wee one to look up this name for me.) . obama is Kennedy. obama is of all those he has buddied with and done favors for over his nothingless period of time in service to the socialist party..
The real relevance is, its a battle of America against kennedy, socialist and those who support them.
Any criticism of your socialist ideas are met with ....socialistic replys, of course you are.:)(this smiley face should not be construed as My attempt at a joke)
Thanks for the old owl compliment.
PS I'm trying to locate the name of the Calif. socialist, house or senate member who was involved with the young girl that vanished while under his guidence just before 9-11. Would you or the wee one consider looking it up for me. Perhaps you might just go down the hall and ask someone smart if you don't have time.
OH NOES!
SOCIALISTS!!!
EVERYBODY RUN AND HIDE!!!
http://media.threadless.com//product/383/zoom.gif
mojotrain
09-14-2008, 07:34 PM
McCain and Our Sarah are in the same party as a dude who trolled for anonymous gay sex in a restroom.
And in the wee ones (or your) famous words. Prove it!!:) But first please give me the name Cali socialist I ask about. I need to ask a six part, fill in the blanks trivia question.
Ted Kennedy and ?????
Both of The other Kennedys and ????
Clinton and ?????
Whats his name and ?????
What did all did all five of the Presidents have in common.
And what did the four sets of ?????? have in common.
mad_fan
09-14-2008, 07:46 PM
And in the wee ones (or your) famous words. Prove it!!:) But first please give me the name Cali socialist I ask about. I need to ask a six part, fill in the blanks trivia question.
Ted Kennedy and ?????
Both of The other Kennedys and ????
Clinton and ?????
Whats his name and ?????
What did all did all five of the Presidents have in common.
And what did the four sets of ?????? have in common.
Is this a who :Censor:ed who???
I am not a crook...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxeFMHyOx3I
drgnbkr
09-14-2008, 08:11 PM
Did I miss something, or was Kennedy not part of the congress that approved and sent the money to Alaska in the first place? Sarah Palin had absolutely zip with the money getting earmarked for the bridge in the first place, just the responsibility of getting the mess cleaned up...
Did I miss something, or was Kennedy not part of the congress that approved and sent the money to Alaska in the first place? Sarah Palin had absolutely zip with the money getting earmarked for the bridge in the first place, just the responsibility of getting the mess cleaned up...
like McCain?
She stated she was for it, right?
Firebird
09-14-2008, 09:27 PM
like McCain?
She stated she was for it, right?
....before she was against it. Careful, don't be f'n with Our Sarah.
KLH75287
09-14-2008, 10:38 PM
I have noticed that anytime someone says anything about "Our Sarah", your first defense is to say..
"Yeah, BUT Obama....."
or
"So does every other politician...."
That is no defense. Demand more from the people you vote for and stop letting yourself get played by these dopes in the GOP. They've done nothing but manipulate cultural conservatives and small government conseratives for their votes and then kicked crap on them once in office. Stop letting the identity politics work.
And what have the Dems done for their faithful since the days of 40 acres and a mule? I suggest all they have done is try to make government bigger and train another generation to rely on them for everything at someone else's expense.
If you are a middle class working man, the word "program" coming out of the mouth of a politician is going to cost you money. The system is corrupt. Bipartisn power struggles have severly wounded us as a nation. I am all for change, but will not vote for change for the sake of change and turn over the most powerful office in the world to a political party puppet who stands for whatever is best for the government and not the country (Citizens) as a whole. I have to go for someone who at least is present, working, and not afraid to take a stand for what he believes regardless of the "party" platform.
It's not a perfect situation to say the least, but give me a break! We need someone with some balls to represent us to the world, and McCain / Palin have plenty to go around. The other side, not so much IMO.
KLH75287
09-14-2008, 10:40 PM
...and when McCain dies of natural causes the second year of his term Palin becomes president.
That would be AWESOME!
Hillary wouldn't get to be the first. That could very well be the end of her and Cigar Slick Willie.
GoOwls
09-15-2008, 04:57 AM
I have noticed that anytime someone says anything about "Our Sarah", your first defense is to say..
"Yeah, BUT Obama....."
or
"So does every other politician...."
That is no defense. Demand more from the people you vote for and stop letting yourself get played by these dopes in the GOP. They've done nothing but manipulate cultural conservatives and small government conseratives for their votes and then kicked crap on them once in office. Stop letting the identity politics work.
When you and your kind start expecting something out of Obama other than rhetoric, I'll lay off the Palin thing.....I exist because you guys do what you do.....without the left/lib rhetoric and hypocrisy, I'd shut up.....looks like I got plenty of instigating to do because you guys will not make The Obamessiah do ANYTHING to get elected, other than blow rhetorical smoke up your collective skirts.....:eek:
GoOwls
09-15-2008, 05:06 AM
...and when McCain dies of natural causes the second year of his term Palin becomes president.
And if Obama get elected, he immediately brings his big bag of inexperience to the job.......which is of a more immediate concern?
It's like a football team worrying about the team they may face the next week of the playoffs and forgetting to worry about the team they play this week.....the team in front of you is the greatest concern.
McCain has to die for you to have to worry about Palin....we worry immediately if Obama wins.
What about logic does Obama lovers not understand....? :eek:
drgnbkr
09-15-2008, 08:06 AM
like McCain?
She stated she was for it, right?
I don't know of a Gov who would refuse money from big daddy..do you? It's pretty clear that when she looked into the "bridge to nowhere" she cut it from the plan. The point is, the Alaska Congressional reps got the earmark into a bill, not the Gov.
drgnbkr
09-15-2008, 08:09 AM
When you and your kind start expecting something out of Obama other than rhetoric, I'll lay off the Palin thing.....I exist because you guys do what you do.....without the left/lib rhetoric and hypocrisy, I'd shut up.....looks like I got plenty of instigating to do because you guys will not make The Obamessiah do ANYTHING to get elected, other than blow rhetorical smoke up your collective skirts.....:eek:
You need to quit beating around the bush and learn to be more direct!....:D:
Firebird
09-15-2008, 08:15 AM
When you and your kind start expecting something out of Obama other than rhetoric, I'll lay off the Palin thing.....I exist because you guys do what you do.....without the left/lib rhetoric and hypocrisy, I'd shut up.....looks like I got plenty of instigating to do because you guys will not make The Obamessiah do ANYTHING to get elected, other than blow rhetorical smoke up your collective skirts.....:eek:
You really are unable to view the world in terms of anything but Republican/Democrat, aren't you. Our Sarah is lying to you and you eat it up.
Firebird
09-15-2008, 08:17 AM
And what have the Dems done for their faithful since the days of 40 acres and a mule? I suggest all they have done is try to make government bigger and train another generation to rely on them for everything at someone else's expense.
If you are a middle class working man, the word "program" coming out of the mouth of a politician is going to cost you money. The system is corrupt. Bipartisn power struggles have severly wounded us as a nation. I am all for change, but will not vote for change for the sake of change and turn over the most powerful office in the world to a political party puppet who stands for whatever is best for the government and not the country (Citizens) as a whole. I have to go for someone who at least is present, working, and not afraid to take a stand for what he believes regardless of the "party" platform.
It's not a perfect situation to say the least, but give me a break! We need someone with some balls to represent us to the world, and McCain / Palin have plenty to go around. The other side, not so much IMO.
Is that John McCain? You mean like how he's changed his mind on immigration for political benefit? Yeah, he's a real prinicpled guy.
chhspantherfan
09-15-2008, 08:55 AM
Is that John McCain? You mean like how he's changed his mind on immigration for political benefit? Yeah, he's a real prinicpled guy.
IMO, this is an election of the lesser evil. As an American that loves individual freedoms and rights, there is not a candidate that I unequivocally endorse. They both blow to the prevailing winds.
So, who is the lesser evil? That is the question.
IMO, that mantra falls to McCain. While he is too far to the left for my liking, he is at least going to listen to the conservative point of view.
Everyone gets a vote, no one is wrong for voting for whom they wish. The stormtroopers won't kick down your door for voting for your candidate.
The really interesting thing to me is how the electoral college prognosticators see McCain pulling even in such a short time. Even started the move prior to VP announcement.
drgnbkr
09-15-2008, 09:35 AM
IMO, this is an election of the lesser evil. As an American that loves individual freedoms and rights, there is not a candidate that I unequivocally endorse. They both blow to the prevailing winds.
So, who is the lesser evil? That is the question.
IMO, that mantra falls to McCain. While he is too far to the left for my liking, he is at least going to listen to the conservative point of view.
Everyone gets a vote, no one is wrong for voting for whom they wish. The stormtroopers won't kick down your door for voting for your candidate.
The really interesting thing to me is how the electoral college prognosticators see McCain pulling even in such a short time. Even started the move prior to VP announcement.
With all of the clutter of the primary's out of the way, the real Obama is more visible. It will only get worse for the messiah, IMO
Firebird
09-15-2008, 09:40 AM
I don't know of a Gov who would refuse money from big daddy..do you? It's pretty clear that when she looked into the "bridge to nowhere" she cut it from the plan. The point is, the Alaska Congressional reps got the earmark into a bill, not the Gov.
I would hope that a "proven reformer" would.
chhspantherfan
09-15-2008, 09:45 AM
I would hope that a "proven reformer" would.
Firebird, you know as well as anyone that when those monies were appropriated, they would be spent. I think it was great that they were able to redisribute funds to needed projects. As you know, once the appropriation is confirmed, then the feds have satisfied their obligation in this scenario. It is then incumbant on the state to be prudent and responsible with the funds. Or would you prefer that they build the bridge because that was what the money was for?;)
Firebird
09-15-2008, 09:50 AM
Firebird, you know as well as anyone that when those monies were appropriated, they would be spent. I think it was great that they were able to redisribute funds to needed projects. As you know, once the appropriation is confirmed, then the feds have satisfied their obligation in this scenario. It is then incumbant on the state to be prudent and responsible with the funds. Or would you prefer that they build the bridge because that was what the money was for?;)
The bridge to nowhere is as big a red herring as the kindergarten sex ed. What is not a red herring is the fact that those "rugged individualists" up in Alaska continue to recieve more money from the feds per capita than any other state. That never changed under Our Sarah, though it did go down a bit. You'll pardon my lack of enthusiasim, especially given that she also passed a huge windfall tax on oil companies.
chhspantherfan
09-15-2008, 09:55 AM
The bridge to nowhere is as big a red herring as the kindergarten sex ed. What is not a red herring is the fact that those "rugged individualists" up in Alaska continue to recieve more money from the feds per capita than any other state. That never changed under Our Sarah, though it did go down a bit. You'll pardon my lack of enthusiasim, especially given that she also passed a huge windfall tax on oil companies.
So they were correct in spending the monies on more appropriate projects?
With respect to the windfall tax, maybe someday we can eliminate the IRS all together. :)
drgnbkr
09-15-2008, 10:19 AM
The bridge to nowhere is as big a red herring as the kindergarten sex ed. What is not a red herring is the fact that those "rugged individualists" up in Alaska continue to recieve more money from the feds per capita than any other state. That never changed under Our Sarah, though it did go down a bit. You'll pardon my lack of enthusiasim, especially given that she also passed a huge windfall tax on oil companies.
I suppose your right...sex-ed for kindergartners is really similar to re-allocating state funds to a more useful purpose than a bridge to nowhere...:rolleyes: And I second the motion to eliminate the IRS! What would Obama do then? Most of his platform is centered around raising taxes and some whacked out use for same...
bigdaddydog
09-15-2008, 10:44 AM
I don't know of a Gov who would refuse money from big daddy..do you? It's pretty clear that when she looked into the "bridge to nowhere" she cut it from the plan. The point is, the Alaska Congressional reps got the earmark into a bill, not the Gov.
Big Daddy says a one term Governer would refuse that money.
Stop the water flowing by cutting off the source, Congress.
The lemmings are lining up in droves to run over the cliff with Mr. Obama. This should not come down to empty rhetoric from either side.
Get back to the fundemental platform of each candidate / Party. Obama wants the Federal Government to take over more and more responsibility. It has been proven again and again how inept and inefficient the Federal government is. It makes no sense to make it bigger and give it more responsibility.
This campaign season for the Democrats is the culmination of the largest rebranding effort ever. Bleeding heart anti-federalist liberal democrat has been supplanted with "Progressive".
I ordered one of their free Obama Buttons so I could draw a circle with a slash through it. After eight weeks I still havn't gotten it. If they can't deliver on the small stuff how am I to trust them with the big stuff?
KLH75287
09-15-2008, 11:42 AM
Is that John McCain? You mean like how he's changed his mind on immigration for political benefit? Yeah, he's a real prinicpled guy.
Like I said in my post, "It's not a perfect situation".
The choice is clear for me.
mojotrain
09-15-2008, 12:43 PM
When people lie to America repeatedly and get away with it?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/12/mccain-palin-view/
:Censor:politicians.
I think this is what you mean. Congrats to dubamas and all the little dubamas. The most recent of the hollywood airheads, the little one with sticky fingers, who has spent time well spent, has just jumped on the dubama derail. lindsey lohan supports his changey thang.:eek:
I ordered one of their free Obama Buttons so I could draw a circle with a slash through it. After eight weeks I still havn't gotten it. If they can't deliver on the small stuff how am I to trust them with the big stuff?
How often has Obama campaigned in Texas after the Texas primaries?
drgnbkr
09-15-2008, 12:56 PM
How often has Obama campaigned in Texas after the Texas primaries?
He knows he has no chance here, where logic prevails!:p
chhspantherfan
09-15-2008, 12:56 PM
How often has Obama campaigned in Texas after the Texas primaries?
ZERO
http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/
mojotrain
09-15-2008, 01:03 PM
When people lie to America repeatedly and get away with it?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/12/mccain-palin-view/
:Censor:politicians.
It's know as liberal press and liberals.
He knows he has no chance here, where logic prevails!:p
ZERO
http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/
EXACTLY. How again does a direct election disenfranchise voters? People in Texas won't ever get a chance to see EITHER candidate.
the_phoenix612
09-15-2008, 01:56 PM
It's know as liberal press and liberals.
which is why they're taking a giant, steaming DUMP on the liberal candidate and giving out free passes left (lol) and right (no pun intended) to the "conservative" republican one.
mojotrain
09-16-2008, 01:52 AM
which is why they're taking a giant, steaming DUMP on the liberal candidate and giving out free passes left (lol) and right (no pun intended) to the "conservative" republican one.
I didn't go to your link on your first post. I just assumed you had discovered Fox. I care nothing about links and quotes. I don't go to them. I want to hear what you say. I can tell you now that politicians from both sides lie. Not all lie, but at my age, I'm thinking that most do. Not so much a straight forward lie, but at times by something they don't say or something perhaps they hint. A something that is intended to lead you into a conclusion that promotes their ideas.
For conseratives, of all the big time news media, Fox News is the station of choice. The principals(host) of Fox are mostly conservative but they do offer counterpoints to their ideals on most topics. Other than Glen Beck I see nothing but liberally slanted, unchallenged thoughts and presentations on the remaining big outlets.
I wish, since you are so young that you were not so dead set in any of your beliefs. I have a opinion that you just have not been exposed to enough of anything to have formed all of the ideas you have. This is why a lot of the older posters on this site fight you at every turn. None have ever called you dumb and none believe you are. Most believe you have never, with a open mind, focused, studied or lived both sides.
If I'm wrong we can keep fighting to the amusement of a few.
the_phoenix612
09-16-2008, 01:55 AM
I didn't go to your link on your first post. I just assumed you had discovered Fox. I care nothing about links and quotes. I don't go to them. I want to hear what you say. I can tell you now that politicians from both sides lie. Not all lie, but at my age, I'm thinking that most do. Not so much a straight forward lie, but at times by something they don't say or something perhaps they hint. A something that is intended to lead you into a conclusion that promotes their ideas.
For conseratives, of all the big time news media, Fox News is the station of choice. The principals(host) of Fox are mostly conservative but they do offer counterpoints to their ideals on most topics. Other than Glen Beck I see nothing but liberally slanted, unchallenged thoughts and presentations on the remaining big outlets.
I wish, since you are so young that you were not so dead set in any of your beliefs. I have a opinion that you just have not been exposed to enough of anything to have formed all of the ideas you have. This is why a lot of the older posters on this site fight you at every turn. None have ever called you dumb and none believe you are. Most believe you have never, with a open mind, focused, studied or lived both sides.
If I'm wrong we can keep fighting to the amusement of a few.
thats bull.
I'm one of the most open-minded people I know.
But when I'm convinced of something, it takes more, better proof to shake me of my confidence.
Until then, I'll debate my *** off. :D
For conseratives, of all the big time news media, Fox News is the station of choice. The principals(host) of Fox are mostly conservative but they do offer counterpoints to their ideals on most topics. Other than Glen Beck I see nothing but liberally slanted, unchallenged thoughts and presentations on the remaining big outlets.
I was in the car yesterday and was listening to Glen Beck(570 in Dallas). He was playing a parody song, it was the Soviet National Anthem(I think the new Russian actually has the same music) about Obama. Kind of funny, but the music was a little loud to understand all the lyrics.
In any case, right after that played he went on to talk about the liberal media not being fair to McCain/Palin. Ummmm ok
drgnbkr
09-16-2008, 08:36 AM
I was in the car yesterday and was listening to Glen Beck(570 in Dallas). He was playing a parody song, it was the Soviet National Anthem(I think the new Russian actually has the same music) about Obama. Kind of funny, but the music was a little loud to understand all the lyrics.
In any case, right after that played he went on to talk about the liberal media not being fair to McCain/Palin. Ummmm ok
Glenn Beck is not an anchor and makes no claim to do the hard news. His complaint is with the so-called "hard news" folks who are so obviously, and admittedly, liberally biased. Thank God for folks like him, who provide a voice in the wilderness.
Glenn Beck is not an anchor and makes no claim to do the hard news. His complaint is with the so-called "hard news" folks who are so obviously, and admittedly, liberally biased. Thank God for folks like him, who provide a voice in the wilderness.
True, what would we do without Fox News and Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck and Jeff Bolton and John David Wells and Darrel Ankarlo and Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh and Mark Davis and G Gordon Liddy and Michael Medved and Mike Gallagher and Mark Levin and Neal Boortz off the top of my head.
Don't know what David Gold is up to these days, but he's the one that got me into it.
drgnbkr
09-16-2008, 09:38 AM
True, what would we do without Fox News and Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck and Jeff Bolton and John David Wells and Darrel Ankarlo and Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh and Mark Davis and G Gordon Liddy and Michael Medved and Mike Gallagher and Mark Levin and Neal Boortz off the top of my head.
Don't know what David Gold is up to these days, but he's the one that got me into it.
It may not seem possible, but I believe Rush and Hannity are almost too biased, even though all they do is a talk show. Beck and that arrogant *****, O'reilly are a little more balanced.
It may not seem possible, but I believe Rush and Hannity are almost too biased, even though all they do is a talk show. Beck and that arrogant *****, O'reilly are a little more balanced.
I really haven't listened to Rush much since I was in college. Moved back to DFW right when the Ticket went on the air. Always talked about how the world was going to end because of Clinton, and we seemed to get out of that pretty ok.
When I listen to talk radio I listen to 570 or 1310 w/some NPR sprinkled in.
It just cracks me up when I hear the hosts talk about how there is nowhere to hear conservative ideas and then listen to O'Reilly talk about how Fox dominates everyone in the ratings. What gives?
Last Thursday AM, Jeff Bolton was going off on the media's unfair attack on Palin. A caller called up commemorating 9/11. She said that this election was one about good vs. evil and that Obama was evil. Bolton response was "Amen to that".
Why pretend?
By the way, found David Gold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gold_(talk_radio_host)
drgnbkr
09-16-2008, 10:13 AM
I really haven't listened to Rush much since I was in college. Moved back to DFW right when the Ticket went on the air. Always talked about how the world was going to end because of Clinton, and we seemed to get out of that pretty ok.
When I listen to talk radio I listen to 570 or 1310 w/some NPR sprinkled in.
It just cracks me up when I hear the hosts talk about how there is nowhere to hear conservative ideas and then listen to O'Reilly talk about how Fox dominates everyone in the ratings. What gives?
Last Thursday AM, Jeff Bolton was going off on the media's unfair attack on Palin. A caller called up commemorating 9/11. She said that this election was one about good vs. evil and that Obama was evil. Bolton response was "Amen to that".
Why pretend?
By the way, found David Gold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gold_(talk_radio_host)
Fox does dominate the cable ratings, but the big three ABC, NBC and CBS are still dominate overall, and unabashedly liberally biased. They really don't even try and hide it anymore. And yes, I agree, Obama is evil!..:D
Fox does dominate the cable ratings, but the big three ABC, NBC and CBS are still dominate overall, and unabashedly liberally biased. They really don't even try and hide it anymore. And yes, I agree, Obama is evil!..:D
Honest question that I have no idea about.
Where do people get the news? Is it from ABC/NBC/CBS? I have not watched a six o'clock news show since I was a tm my grandparent's in like 1985. What are the ratings compared to FOX news/other cable outlets/talk radio?
I watch channel 8, more for Dale Hansen at night and then Nightline typically. I do not see a bias in them, and John/Gloria rarely discuss National stuff.
Anyone know?
Firebird
09-16-2008, 10:30 AM
Honest question that I have no idea about.
Where do people get the news? Is it from ABC/NBC/CBS? I have not watched a six o'clock news show since I was a tm my grandparent's in like 1985. What are the ratings compared to FOX news/other cable outlets/talk radio?
I watch channel 8, more for Dale Hansen at night and then Nightline typically. I do not see a bias in them, and John/Gloria rarely discuss National stuff.
Anyone know?
teh internets for me. I read online the NYT, Washington Post and Times, and the London Times. I have some blogs and online opinion/commentary sites I read: the American Conservative, Salon, Slate, National Review, The Atlantic, and I am starting to enjoy Culture 11. For print, I only subscribe to The Economist.
I used to get Newseek, and now get Time. Not sure how that happened but they seem to be pretty much the same. Good stuff and I see no real bias.
I try to visit this site, sometimes. Real good stuff, and don't let the name fool you.
http://insideautomotive.com/
drgnbkr
09-16-2008, 10:38 AM
I catch a brief glimpse of Katie, Charley, Bryant as I quickly flip past the mainstreams, but the majority of viewers still get their daily dose of liberalism from the big three. I don't have the ratings advantage, but I bet someone will shortly.
I catch a brief glimpse of Katie, Charley, Bryant as I quickly flip past the mainstreams, but the majority of viewers still get their daily dose of liberalism from the big three. I don't have the ratings advantage, but I bet someone will shortly.
Total Viewers: NBC: 8,100,000 / ABC: 7,840,000 / CBS: 5,330,000
25-54 demo: NBC: 2,570,000 / ABC: 2,360,000 / CBS: 1,540,000
25-54 rating: NBC: 2.1/9 / ABC: 1.9/8 / CBS: 1.2/5
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/evening_news_ratings/evening_news_ratings_week_of_may_19_85784.asp
drgnbkr
09-16-2008, 10:46 AM
Total Viewers: NBC: 8,100,000 / ABC: 7,840,000 / CBS: 5,330,000
25-54 demo: NBC: 2,570,000 / ABC: 2,360,000 / CBS: 1,540,000
25-54 rating: NBC: 2.1/9 / ABC: 1.9/8 / CBS: 1.2/5
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/evening_news_ratings/evening_news_ratings_week_of_may_19_85784.asp
And now for the cable ratings?
And now for the cable ratings?
Can't find anything that makes sense like this one.
drgnbkr
09-16-2008, 11:26 AM
Can't find anything that makes sense like this one.
That's the media for ya!:D
mojotrain
09-16-2008, 11:29 AM
I was in the car yesterday and was listening to Glen Beck(570 in Dallas). He was playing a parody song, it was the Soviet National Anthem(I think the new Russian actually has the same music) about Obama. Kind of funny, but the music was a little loud to understand all the lyrics.
In any case, right after that played he went on to talk about the liberal media not being fair to McCain/Palin. Ummmm ok
Thats what I mean. Conservative media is exactly like the United States Marines. All they need is a few good Men and Women to bust the socialist and pinkos. I guess you could say, right is might.
mojotrain
09-16-2008, 11:30 AM
thats bull.
I'm one of the most open-minded people I know.
But when I'm convinced of something, it takes more, better proof to shake me of my confidence.
Until then, I'll debate my *** off. :D
And most important you are still the wee one.
mojotrain
09-16-2008, 11:49 AM
You really are unable to view the world in terms of anything but Republican/Democrat, aren't you. Our Sarah is lying to you and you eat it up.
At least 50 percent of Americans are not with you on your one world idea. They care more about America than they do Muslims or Russians. You can get a better count in the next election when Our Sara gut shoots your BS, bile tasting agenda and socialist wanna be's, who want to turn the USA into a third world country. As I've said before, your counting on the dumbing of America to have already taken hold. You comrade are about 40 years too early. No, with McCain/Palin you can add 16 more years to that. Thats 56 years. Go down the hall and ask someone smart to recheck those numbers for you.
mojotrain
09-16-2008, 11:59 AM
Is that John McCain? You mean like how he's changed his mind on immigration for political benefit? Yeah, he's a real prinicpled guy.
But yet you have no worry with dubama, wright,both clintons and all of the kennedys. You don't use the same standards for every one. But those who dictate direction to you won't allow that. Will they?:)
mojotrain
09-16-2008, 12:05 PM
I really haven't listened to Rush much since I was in college. Moved back to DFW right when the Ticket went on the air. Always talked about how the world was going to end because of Clinton, and we seemed to get out of that pretty ok.
When I listen to talk radio I listen to 570 or 1310 w/some NPR sprinkled in.
It just cracks me up when I hear the hosts talk about how there is nowhere to hear conservative ideas and then listen to O'Reilly talk about how Fox dominates everyone in the ratings. What gives?
Last Thursday AM, Jeff Bolton was going off on the media's unfair attack on Palin. A caller called up commemorating 9/11. She said that this election was one about good vs. evil and that Obama was evil. Bolton response was "Amen to that".
Why pretend?
By the way, found David Gold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gold_(talk_radio_host)
Yeah if you feel like getting past clintons underdesk games and his failure to whack Osama befor 9-11 is pretty ok.
Yeah if you feel like getting past clintons underdesk games and his failure to whack Osama befor 9-11 is pretty ok.
Nope, but I do not think that the Lewinsky deal was the end that we may have thought it was at the time.
Clinton should have gotten Bin Laden, no doubt. Somehow I think that Rush and co. would have had a problem with that as well though.
the_phoenix612
09-16-2008, 12:42 PM
Yeah if you feel like getting past clintons underdesk games and his failure to whack Osama befor 9-11 is pretty ok.
kind of like Donald Rumsfeld failing to "whack" Saddam Hussein before whatever we ended up accusing him of?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg
kind of like Donald Rumsfeld failing to "whack" Saddam Hussein before whatever we ended up accusing him of?
I don't think we had anything to do officially with "whacking" Saddam, excet turning him over to the Iraqis. Point is understood though.
I wish we could move forward instead of trying to place blame. There is PLENTY to go around.
the_phoenix612
09-16-2008, 12:48 PM
I don't think we had anything to do officially with "whacking" Saddam, excet turning him over to the Iraqis. Point is understood though.
I wish we could move forward instead of trying to place blame. There is PLENTY to go around.
as do I.
My point was that you can't just go around offing everybody that could possibly attack your country later.
We'd have to turn most of the rest of the world into a smoking crater :eek:
mojotrain
09-16-2008, 08:30 PM
kind of like Donald Rumsfeld failing to "whack" Saddam Hussein before whatever we ended up accusing him of?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg
How old were you then wee one, 7?.
gokhx id't\=a\3
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RedRage00
09-16-2008, 08:31 PM
How old were you then wee one, 7?.
gokhx id't\=a\3
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How old were you? About 85?
mojotrain
09-16-2008, 08:46 PM
I don't think we had anything to do officially with "whacking" Saddam, excet turning him over to the Iraqis. Point is understood though.
I wish we could move forward instead of trying to place blame. There is PLENTY to go around.
Wrong, if not for Bush, saddam would still be doing the saddam thing.
I would not be happy with going forward. My task is to remind any, and all, about the character flaws and class deficiences of democratic politicians when the opportunity is presented to me. That is, as long as negative post are made directed towards conseratives. Request, a just move on plea, with the attacks on Bush, McClain/ Palen and I will reconsider.
mad_fan
09-16-2008, 09:01 PM
When people lie to America repeatedly and get away with it?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/12/mccain-palin-view/
:Censor:politicians.
Re: What is it called
The Yard???
Wrong, if not for Bush, saddam would still be doing the saddam thing.
I would not be happy with going forward. My task is to remind any, and all, about the character flaws and class deficiences of democratic politicians when the opportunity is presented to me. That is, as long as negative post are made directed towards conseratives. Request, a just move on plea, with the attacks on Bush, McClain/ Palen and I will reconsider.
Someone form the US was on the jury?
The rest I have no idea what you are saying.
katyfan52
09-16-2008, 10:06 PM
How old were you then wee one, 7?.
gokhx id't\=a\3
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What difference does it make. We're going to be turning this country to them before you know it, and you better be glad there some who take the time to pay attention to history. The alternative is downright scary. Answer his point with something besides your ad hominem attacks or leave him alone.
katyfan52
09-16-2008, 10:07 PM
How old were you? About 85?
:rolleyes:
Wrong, if not for Bush, saddam would still be doing the saddam thing.
I would not be happy with going forward. My task is to remind any, and all, about the character flaws and class deficiences of democratic politicians when the opportunity is presented to me. That is, as long as negative post are made directed towards conseratives. Request, a just move on plea, with the attacks on Bush, McClain/ Palen and I will reconsider.
Well I think we spent good money, about $1,000,000,000,000 so far, to keep him from "doing the Saddam thing."
I wonder how many barrels of oil $1 trillion buys?
mojotrain
09-17-2008, 12:23 AM
What difference does it make. We're going to be turning this country to them before you know it, and you better be glad there some who take the time to pay attention to history. The alternative is downright scary. Answer his point with something besides your ad hominem attacks or leave him alone.
That won't be until after 16 years of McCain and the Gov. By then I'll be 86. The wee one will be out of his blinky years and guy who gets his information from smart people down the hall will have a lesser assingment than that of trying to convert Texas High school football posters to socialism.
The wee ones history is not my history. His history took a different direction in his early formation years. I know as soon as he responsible and contributes to this nation he will form some different view points.
I'm not at all afraid of living in the USA as it has been as opposed to a country of socialism/ communism. If you prefer socialism or communism then by all means join the fray.
The wee one has no questions for me. There is nothing he could ask of me He knows all, in his own mind. As long as he post, you and he both can count on a reply with me. That is unless you can quite the slander of the socialist and communist on this site, If you do that I'll back off.
I am no longer amazed at how liberals detest free speech. the wee one even detest freedom of the press. That sounds a little pinko, heck no... that sounds like communism. No.... that is communism.
mojotrain
09-17-2008, 12:32 AM
Someone form the US was on the jury?
The rest I have no idea what you are saying.
You ask that we move on. That was your request.
I say no! Thats my answer to your request.
the_phoenix612
09-17-2008, 02:30 AM
That won't be until after 16 years of McCain and the Gov. By then I'll be 86. The wee one will be out of his blinky years and guy who gets his information from smart people down the hall will have a lesser assingment than that of trying to convert Texas High school football posters to socialism.
The wee ones history is not my history. His history took a different direction in his early formation years. I know as soon as he responsible and contributes to this nation he will form some different view points.
I'm not at all afraid of living in the USA as it has been as opposed to a country of socialism/ communism. If you prefer socialism or communism then by all means join the fray.
The wee one has no questions for me. There is nothing he could ask of me He knows all, in his own mind. As long as he post, you and he both can count on a reply with me. That is unless you can quite the slander of the socialist and communist on this site, If you do that I'll back off.
I am no longer amazed at how liberals detest free speech. the wee one even detest freedom of the press. That sounds a little pinko, heck no... that sounds like communism. No.... that is communism.
what gives you the idea that I am against freedom of press?
Are you senile, or can you not read?
You ask that we move on. That was your request.
I say no! Thats my answer to your request.
I understand now, thanks for the clarification.
Blame is dumb. I think most of the people leading the country have done things with its best interest in mind, although we the public may not agree with it and that history may have a different view.
At the time the decision was made, it may have been the right one.
It was certainly in our interest at the time to help fund the Afghan rebels during their fight w/the Soviets. I believe Reagan was acting in the nations best interest. Who knew the people we were helping would harbor and help fund the same people who would be attacking us 20 years later.
We can just ignore the whole Arms for hostages Iran-Contra affair.
For Saddam, we certainly we for him before we were against him, right? Whose fault was that? The times indictated that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. We helped fund his regime that we tore down twice. Whose fault is that? Why didn't we get him the first go round?
I was in favor of the invasion of Iraq. I was in favor of the escalation. I can't see history having a favorable reflection of this. While freeing the Iraqi's is a very noble result, it was not the stated intent and there are plenty of people in similar or worse conditions at the moment.
As far as Bin Laden, we helped prop the guy up initially, Reagan.
We allowed him to get bigger, Bush.
We did not take him out when we could/should have, Clinton.
We ignored key security information that was alerting us to the 9/11 attacks, Bush.
Whose fault is it? Why wallow there?
I think there are very rational decisions made in each case by each President. 9/11 was a game changer. If any of those men wuold have taken him out, he would have been blistered by the press and country. To say otherwise, is simply not being honest.
drgnbkr
09-17-2008, 08:10 AM
I understand now, thanks for the clarification.
Blame is dumb. I think most of the people leading the country have done things with its best interest in mind, although we the public may not agree with it and that history may have a different view.
At the time the decision was made, it may have been the right one.
It was certainly in our interest at the time to help fund the Afghan rebels during their fight w/the Soviets. I believe Reagan was acting in the nations best interest. Who knew the people we were helping would harbor and help fund the same people who would be attacking us 20 years later.
We can just ignore the whole Arms for hostages Iran-Contra affair.
For Saddam, we certainly we for him before we were against him, right? Whose fault was that? The times indictated that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. We helped fund his regime that we tore down twice. Whose fault is that? Why didn't we get him the first go round?
I was in favor of the invasion of Iraq. I was in favor of the escalation. I can't see history having a favorable reflection of this. While freeing the Iraqi's is a very noble result, it was not the stated intent and there are plenty of people in similar or worse conditions at the moment.
As far as Bin Laden, we helped prop the guy up initially, Reagan.
We allowed him to get bigger, Bush.
We did not take him out when we could/should have, Clinton.
We ignored key security information that was alerting us to the 9/11 attacks, Bush.
Whose fault is it? Why wallow there?
I think there are very rational decisions made in each case by each President. 9/11 was a game changer. If any of those men wuold have taken him out, he would have been blistered by the press and country. To say otherwise, is simply not being honest.
You're sounding more like Michael Moore every day....:eek:
You're sounding more like Michael Moore every day....:eek:
How so?
I think that funding the Afghan rebels was the smart move in the 80's.
I think that supporting Saddam at the time made sense in relation to Iran, at the time.
Never quite understood the whole Ollie North thing and it always seemed a little shady to me.
Those decisions were based on sound footing at the time. They came back to bite us in the butt though.
My point is sitting back 20 years later trying to say one person was responsible or more to blame is kind of pointless and doesn;t help us now at all, right?
drgnbkr
09-17-2008, 08:34 AM
How so?
I think that funding the Afghan rebels was the smart move in the 80's.
I think that supporting Saddam at the time made sense in relation to Iran, at the time.
Never quite understood the whole Ollie North thing and it always seemed a little shady to me.
Those decisions were based on sound footing at the time. They came back to bite us in the butt though.
My point is sitting back 20 years later trying to say one person was responsible or more to blame is kind of pointless and doesn;t help us now at all, right?
While some of it is true, I suppose I was referring to the actionable intelligence prior to 9-11 thing, which isn't. Clinton and Frank Church before him, had so screwed up the intelligence apparatus that it made "actionable information" an oxymoron.
It's kind of like a QB throwing 4 interceptions, getting your team in a hole, then handing the ball to the 2nd teamer, saying "you try"
While some of it is true, I suppose I was referring to the actionable intelligence prior to 9-11 thing, which isn't. Clinton and Frank Church before him, had so screwed up the intelligence apparatus that it made "actionable information" an oxymoron.
It's kind of like a QB throwing 4 interceptions, getting your team in a hole, then handing the ball to the 2nd teamer, saying "you try"
I don't disagree with that at all. In this case, Bush was like the 4th QB to enter the game.
To pin this on one person is a waste of time in my opinion.
mojotrain
09-17-2008, 12:12 PM
what gives you the idea that I am against freedom of press?
Are you senile, or can you not read?
Probably, some of both but I do manage to take up a lot of your time. And by the way....you are still a wee one.
I didn't go to the reference you provided. Was it press, was it tee vee, was it radio? It makes no difference. If it's not from your mouth I just don't care about it. It's all the same. You had your diaper in your crack about one or the other. I believe you ask if any thing could be done to prevent lies and yadda, whine, dadda, cry, da & ect. Was that not a wish for suppression of free speech and or the press? Of course it was. Thats the only way your merry little band of pinkos can gain ground.
You just can't handle anything negative against your narrow minded, mind. Of course thats all you have been exposed to. You don't know of anything else. You are a fine example of being a product of your inviorment. Did you miss your pablum this morning, wee one? PM one of your pinko papas and ask for help.
the_phoenix612
09-17-2008, 12:23 PM
I didn't go to the reference you provided. Was it press, was it tee vee, was it radio? It makes no difference to me. You had your diaper in your crack about one or the other. I believe you ask if any thing could not be done to prevent lies and yadda dadda da ect. Was that not a wish for suppression of free speech and or press? Of course it was. You just can't handle anything negative against your narrow minded, mind. Of course thats all you have been exposed to. You don't know of nothing else. You are a fine example of being a product of your inviorment, Did you miss your pablum this morning, wee one? PM one of your pinko buddies ask for help.
first off, what is an inviorment, and dude. Pablum is from 1931!
the link was to a television show in which John McCain told a bald-faced lie about Sarah Palin's involvement with earmarks.
I was lamenting the fact that the press is allowing both candidates to go beyond the realms of political spin and devolve into outright lying.
And you've been a fine example of your ENVIRONMENT, behind the times and out of touch, clinging to old stereotypes to keep from letting the big new world scare you.
mojotrain
09-17-2008, 12:38 PM
How so?
I think that funding the Afghan rebels was the smart move in the 80's.
I think that supporting Saddam at the time made sense in relation to Iran, at the time.
Never quite understood the whole Ollie North thing and it always seemed a little shady to me.
Those decisions were based on sound footing at the time. They came back to bite us in the butt though.
My point is sitting back 20 years later trying to say one person was responsible or more to blame is kind of pointless and doesn;t help us now at all, right?
No your point is wrong. You better sit back and study the past.
I think this is your real reason for wanting to move on. After you have been a part of the shelling that has gone on here for a long period of time The lady and McCain jump in and grab you and yours by the throat, you gasp and request a cease fire, a move on please, have mercy! That is the liberal way. Think it will happen?
No your point is wrong. You better sit back and study the past.
I think this is your real reason for wanting to move on. After you have been a part of the shelling that has gone on here for a long period of time The lady and McCain jump in and grab you and yours by the throat, you gasp and request a cease fire, a move on please, have mercy! That is the liberal way. Think it will happen?
How is my point wrong? I am a lifelong conservative who has never voted for a democrat above a very local position. In addition to my voting for every Republican Presidential nominee since the first Bush.
Aren't the lady and McCain mine?
the_phoenix612
09-17-2008, 12:51 PM
No your point is wrong. You better sit back and study the past.
I think this is your real reason for wanting to move on. After you have been a part of the shelling that has gone on here for a long period of time The lady and McCain jump in and grab you and yours by the throat, you gasp and request a cease fire, a move on please, have mercy! That is the liberal way. Think it will happen?
So are you saying we should not have supported the Afghan rebels when the Soviet Union (the ACTUAL dreaded pinkos) and should have just let the dirty commies take Afghanistan?
So are you saying we should not have supported the Afghan rebels when the Soviet Union (the ACTUAL dreaded pinkos) and should have just let the dirty commies take Afghanistan?
or suported the regime that was in a war with the country that held our people hostage for longer than a year?
the_phoenix612
09-17-2008, 01:16 PM
or suported the regime that was in a war with the country that held our people hostage for longer than a year?
hey, thats appeasement!
you would have agreed with Hitler!
thats a fact, because I said so.
bigdaddydog
09-17-2008, 03:56 PM
or suported the regime that was in a war with the country that held our people hostage for longer than a year?
Speaking of suppoorting a regime, it looks like the gilding is starting to wear off of the Clintonian's support for Obama.
Top Clinton Fundraiser Backs McCain (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/17/top-clinton-fundraiser-backs-mccain/)
I heard this this morning on KRLD and could not find it anywhere except FoxNews. :p I think the Hillary folks that defect are going to do it silently and in much bigger numbers than the Obama camp would ever imagine.
This is going to get muckier before we hose all these pigs off and figure out who wins.
~
chhspantherfan
09-17-2008, 04:21 PM
what ya'll need is some campainin'
http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm
Speaking of suppoorting a regime, it looks like the gilding is starting to wear off of the Clintonian's support for Obama.
Top Clinton Fundraiser Backs McCain (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/17/top-clinton-fundraiser-backs-mccain/)
I heard this this morning on KRLD and could not find it anywhere except FoxNews. :p I think the Hillary folks that defect are going to do it silently and in much bigger numbers than the Obama camp would ever imagine.
This is going to get muckier before we hose all these pigs off and figure out who wins.
~
Did you look?
CNN had it yesterday?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/17/2008-09-17_top_clinton_fundraiser_lynn_forester_de_.html
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/a-democratic-baroness-endorses-mccain-palin-ticket/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/17/lynn-forester-de-rothschi_n_127047.html
mojotrain
09-18-2008, 01:23 AM
So are you saying we should not have supported the Afghan rebels when the Soviet Union (the ACTUAL dreaded pinkos) and should have just let the dirty commies take Afghanistan?
The Afgan rebels, did they need help?
mojotrain
09-18-2008, 01:44 AM
How is my point wrong? I am a lifelong conservative who has never voted for a democrat above a very local position. In addition to my voting for every Republican Presidential nominee since the first Bush.
Aren't the lady and McCain mine?
I go back to Clinton and his failure to take care of obama. 9/11 was his fault. In my opinion clinton was gutless, as where those democrates that followed him in the run for president. I just connect the dots. I include that as history, a history I won't forget. Based on that history plus his agenda tells me obama won't protect the people of American. I won't ever make a decision without looking at the yesterdays.
mojotrain
09-18-2008, 02:39 AM
first off, what is an inviorment, and dude. Pablum is from 1931!
the link was to a television show in which John McCain told a bald-faced lie about Sarah Palin's involvement with earmarks.
I was lamenting the fact that the press is allowing both candidates to go beyond the realms of political spin and devolve into outright lying.
And you've been a fine example of your ENVIRONMENT, behind the times and out of touch, clinging to old stereotypes to keep from letting the big new world scare you.
Well whatever it is they feed wee ones now. I remember a product called sobee is it that.
The inviorment? I raise 1015 aggie onions that I expect some guy with smart friends down the hall at T A&M helped develop, I also raise T A&M mild jalepenos that he may have had a hand in. But I don't raise those russian favorites, potatoes or turnips. I do raise okra and green beans and tomatoes. I also have 32 prize winning rose bushes, two lemon trees and one orange tree. Not here but in Del Rio, I have banana trees. What do you contribute to the inviorment?
Heres what I contributed to your generation. I have a granddaughter at a university near you who turned 17 in July. She started this semester as a Junior, she is to be in Medicine.(TBD) She has no hate for her country or the ideals for which it stands. She loves God and she loves both of her parents. She has no need to work but she has a part time job and works 20 hours a week she is on a full acadimic sholarship. After this amount of time in a university she is still a conserative.
Does that sound a lot like you?
I think you don't know me very well. If you request it I can give you a resume of all my children(three) who are all degreed, all Christian and all one time married. I could also throw in the resumes of my 11 grand children aged from 8 to 24. Of the five that are out of high school, all Permian, four are in college. That includes the 17 year old.
You have no input in a brave new world. You support cowardice. Your world consist of a small speck on the globe.
Stereotypes? In the history of the USA there has always been a enemy within. Your not breaking virgin terrority. You will see on election day that you are in the minority.
DragonWatcher
09-18-2008, 04:44 AM
The Afgan rebels, did they need help?
It's well documented that without the massive influx of money from America the rebels wouldn't have had a chance. Until the U.S. got them the surface to air missles they needed they were getting massacred by the soviet helicopters. Without U.S. involvement they wouldn't have won, its arguable the soviet union would not have collapsed like it did, and certainly if it did it would have been much later on.
DragonWatcher
09-18-2008, 04:51 AM
Well whatever it is they feed wee ones now. I remember a product called sobee is it that.
The inviorment? I raise 1015 aggie onions that I expect some guy with smart friends down the hall at T A&M helped develop, I also raise T A&M mild jalepenos that he may have had a hand in. But I don't raise those russian favorites, potatoes or turnips. I do raise okra and green beans and tomatoes. I also have 32 prize winning rose bushes, two lemon trees and one orange tree. Not here but in Del Rio, I have banana trees. What do you contribute to the inviorment?
Heres what I contributed to your generation. I have a granddaughter at a university near you who turned 17 in July. She started this semester as a Junior, she is to be in Medicine.(TBD) She has no hate for her country or the ideals for which it stands. She loves God and she loves both of her parents. She has no need to work but she has a part time job and works 20 hours a week she is on a full acadimic sholarship. After this amount of time in a university she is still a conserative.
Does that sound a lot like you?
I think you don't know me very well. If you request it I can give you a resume of all my children(three) who are all degreed, all Christian and all one time married. I could also throw in the resumes of my 11 grand children aged from 8 to 24. Of the five that are out of high school, all Permian, four are in college. That includes the 17 year old.
You have no input in a brave new world. You support cowardice. Your world consist of a small speck on the globe.
Stereotypes? In the history of the USA there has always been a enemy within. Your not breaking virgin terrority. You will see on election day that you are in the minority.
Why get into a pissing contest about kids. It's going to be hard for phoenix to compete at his age, rather impracticle to have a kid. Yes there has always been dissension from within the country, that goes back to the founding fathers themselves. Where you outdo yourself is when you label the other as a "coward" or "unamerican" simply because they have a different foreign policy view. Got news for ya, liberals don't want to see the U.S. crumble, fall to ruin, violate basic liberties etc. The only true unamerican sentiment, the only true threat to patriotism, liberty etc in this country is those that say to be a good american you have to believe this, follow this dogma, hold these views. Guess what if these issues had easy solutions they would already be solved. The reason there is so much debate about the right course of action is that these waters are not easily navigated. It's not a choice between right and wrong, but between two philosophies both aimed at the ideas of liberty and prosperity. Neither is evil by nature, but they are different.
bigdaddydog
09-18-2008, 03:05 PM
Did you look?
CNN had it yesterday?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/17/2008-09-17_top_clinton_fundraiser_lynn_forester_de_.html
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/a-democratic-baroness-endorses-mccain-palin-ticket/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/17/lynn-forester-de-rothschi_n_127047.html
Hmmm, not at the sites you linked, but then that's not the point is it? I searched the main ABC NBC CBS web sites and did not see it then found it on Fox.
The point is that Obamamama is driving Hillary supporters away, right? If that is not the point then help me out and let me know what you think the take away from the story is?:confused:
Thanks,
~
Hmmm, not at the sites you linked, but then that's not the point is it? I searched the main ABC NBC CBS web sites and did not see it then found it on Fox.
The point is that Obamamama is driving Hillary supporters away, right? If that is not the point then help me out and let me know what you think the take away from the story is?:confused:
Thanks,
~
Well you actually have to click the links, which you obviously didn't.
Headline from first link-CNN:
Prominent Clinton backer and Dem donor to endorse McCain
Headline from second link-NY Daily Post:
Top Clinton fundraiser Lynn Forester de Rothschild backing John McCain, not Barack Obama
Headline from third link-New York Times:
A Democratic Baroness Endorses McCain-Palin Ticket
Headline from fourth link-Huffington Post:
Lynn Forester De Rothschild, Top Clinton Fundraiser, Backs McCain
bigdaddydog
09-18-2008, 04:08 PM
Well you actually have to click the links, which you obviously didn't.
Headline from first link-CNN:
Prominent Clinton backer and Dem donor to endorse McCain
Headline from second link-NY Daily Post:
Top Clinton fundraiser Lynn Forester de Rothschild backing John McCain, not Barack Obama
Headline from third link-New York Times:
A Democratic Baroness Endorses McCain-Palin Ticket
Headline from fourth link-Huffington Post:
Lynn Forester De Rothschild, Top Clinton Fundraiser, Backs McCain
Missed it by that much!
You missed the point again! I clicked the links you provided and saw the story. What I said was an answer to your original question "Did you look?" and yes I did look at the places I mentioned.
Why don't you want to talk about the story? :confused:
~
Missed it by that much!
You missed the point again! I clicked the links you provided and saw the story. What I said was an answer to your original question "Did you look?" and yes I did look at the places I mentioned.
Why don't you want to talk about the story? :confused:
~
Because the story is pretty pointless.
In any case,
ABC:
Top Clinton Fundraiser Backs McCain Over Obama
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5821393
CBS:
Top Clinton Fundraiser Defects To McCain
Member Of DNC Platform Committee Throws Support Behind Republican Nominee
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/17/politics/main4455877.shtml?source=search_story
MSNBC:
Meanwhile, Clinton supporter and DNC Platform Committee member Lynn Forester de Rothschild (wife of international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild) holds a presser announcing her support for McCain.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/category/1015.aspx
bigdaddydog
09-18-2008, 05:15 PM
Because the story is pretty pointless.
In any case,
ABC:
Top Clinton Fundraiser Backs McCain Over Obama
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5821393
CBS:
Top Clinton Fundraiser Defects To McCain
Member Of DNC Platform Committee Throws Support Behind Republican Nominee
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/17/politics/main4455877.shtml?source=search_story
MSNBC:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/category/1015.aspx
If the story is so pointless, then why do you keep posting llinks to the story after the fact?
Seems pretty pointless.
~
Firebird
09-18-2008, 05:18 PM
If the story is so pointless, then why do you keep posting llinks to the story after the fact?
Seems pretty pointless.
~
I believe his links serve as an effective rebutal to the claim that only FoxNews carried the story.:)
Slim-Rob
09-18-2008, 05:47 PM
http://www.50statequarters.com/store/files/images/products/large/SQTX.jpg
"Here's a quarter, call someone who cares"
chhspantherfan
09-18-2008, 05:55 PM
http://www.50statequarters.com/store/files/images/products/large/SQTX.jpg
"Here's a quarter, call someone who cares"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAx0gSdv5yA
FIFY:cool:
Slim-Rob
09-18-2008, 05:58 PM
FIFY:cool:
thanks :]
chhspantherfan
09-18-2008, 06:26 PM
thanks :]
you got to change the avatar.........i have a hard time seeing you as a BAMFWB:D
the_phoenix612
09-18-2008, 06:34 PM
Well whatever it is they feed wee ones now. I remember a product called sobee is it that.
The inviorment? I raise 1015 aggie onions that I expect some guy with smart friends down the hall at T A&M helped develop, I also raise T A&M mild jalepenos that he may have had a hand in. But I don't raise those russian favorites, potatoes or turnips. I do raise okra and green beans and tomatoes. I also have 32 prize winning rose bushes, two lemon trees and one orange tree. Not here but in Del Rio, I have banana trees. What do you contribute to the inviorment?
Heres what I contributed to your generation. I have a granddaughter at a university near you who turned 17 in July. She started this semester as a Junior, she is to be in Medicine.(TBD) She has no hate for her country or the ideals for which it stands. She loves God and she loves both of her parents. She has no need to work but she has a part time job and works 20 hours a week she is on a full acadimic sholarship. After this amount of time in a university she is still a conserative.
Does that sound a lot like you?
I think you don't know me very well. If you request it I can give you a resume of all my children(three) who are all degreed, all Christian and all one time married. I could also throw in the resumes of my 11 grand children aged from 8 to 24. Of the five that are out of high school, all Permian, four are in college. That includes the 17 year old.
You have no input in a brave new world. You support cowardice. Your world consist of a small speck on the globe.
Stereotypes? In the history of the USA there has always been a enemy within. Your not breaking virgin terrority. You will see on election day that you are in the minority.
im sorry, did you just insinuate that I hate America?
mojotrain
09-18-2008, 09:18 PM
Why get into a pissing contest about kids. It's going to be hard for phoenix to compete at his age, rather impracticle to have a kid. Yes there has always been dissension from within the country, that goes back to the founding fathers themselves. Where you outdo yourself is when you label the other as a "coward" or "unamerican" simply because they have a different foreign policy view. Got news for ya, liberals don't want to see the U.S. crumble, fall to ruin, violate basic liberties etc. The only true unamerican sentiment, the only true threat to patriotism, liberty etc in this country is those that say to be a good american you have to believe this, follow this dogma, hold these views. Guess what if these issues had easy solutions they would already be solved. The reason there is so much debate about the right course of action is that these waters are not easily navigated. It's not a choice between right and wrong, but between two philosophies both aimed at the ideas of liberty and prosperity. Neither is evil by nature, but they are different.
When you find a way to halt the socialist from the slanderious jabber and name calling then I'll stop mine. Don't define socialism, it's wants or wishes to me, they do love America, the water, land and ect. They don't love the ideas of America. There is a difference.
Evil is taught. If evil didn't exist it would not have a name. I consider socialism ideals evil.
Again, take your withdraw plea to them or join them but you and they can rest assured I won't give a free pass to those who want to destroy America.
mojotrain
09-18-2008, 09:20 PM
I believe his links serve as an effective rebutal to the claim that only FoxNews carried the story.:)
I think it was in Pravda this morning.
Firebird
09-18-2008, 10:12 PM
When you find a way to halt the socialist from the slanderious jabber and name calling then I'll stop mine. Don't define socialism, it's wants or wishes to me, they do love America, the water, land and ect. They don't love the ideas of America. There is a difference.
Evil is taught. If evil didn't exist it would not have a name. I consider socialism ideals evil.
Again, take your withdraw plea to them or join them but you and they can rest assured I won't give a free pass to those who want to destroy America.
Get out of this country with your Euro ideals. I know your kind and your agenda. Why do you hate America?
mojotrain
09-19-2008, 12:17 AM
im sorry, did you just insinuate that I hate America?
wee one I had no intention to insinuate.
While I have you and your daddy here I would like to ask. Was the KID that hacked into our Saras e-mail the son of a Dimocratic Tennessee State or federal senator. LOL What a bunch of bile. If your dada and you need time to go down the hall and ask someone smart, Thats ok I'm retired and not in a hurry.
mojotrain
09-19-2008, 12:30 AM
I believe his links serve as an effective rebutal to the claim that only FoxNews carried the story.:)
The wee one can't stand free press or free speech either. Are yall kin?
the_phoenix612
09-19-2008, 12:33 AM
wee one I had no intention to insinuate.
While I have you and your daddy here I would like to ask. Was the KID that hacked into our Saras e-mail the son of a Dimocratic Tennessee State or federal senator. LOL What a bunch of bile. If your dada and you need time to go down the hall and ask someone smart, Thats ok I'm retired and not in a hurry.
how do you know my father?
how do you know my father?
I AM YOUR FATHER
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r44/ktshep/DarthVaderbeckoning.jpg
the_phoenix612
09-19-2008, 12:44 AM
I AM YOUR FATHER
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r44/ktshep/DarthVaderbeckoning.jpg
if mojo was my father, I would be very very sad.
mojotrain
09-19-2008, 12:58 AM
how do you know my father?
I thought I said your papa. But I do know your Father.
If the story is so pointless, then why do you keep posting llinks to the story after the fact?
Seems pretty pointless.
~
Firebird, is correct.
Here's the first statment:
I heard this this morning on KRLD and could not find it anywhere except FoxNews. I think the Hillary folks that defect are going to do it silently and in much bigger numbers than the Obama camp would ever imagine.
This is going to get muckier before we hose all these pigs off and figure out who wins.
I posted several links to the story and you replied:
Hmmm, not at the sites you linked, but then that's not the point is it? I searched the main ABC NBC CBS web sites and did not see it then found it on Fox.
Then I posted links to the story posted on each of those sites.
Your facts are wrong, which leads me to the conclusion you are a terrible internet searcher or you lied and did not search or lied and found them and reported otherwise. Whatever the case, it still does not make this a meaningful story.
Firebird
09-19-2008, 08:31 AM
Firebird, is correct.
Here's the first statment:
I heard this this morning on KRLD and could not find it anywhere except FoxNews. I think the Hillary folks that defect are going to do it silently and in much bigger numbers than the Obama camp would ever imagine.
This is going to get muckier before we hose all these pigs off and figure out who wins.
I posted several links to the story and you replied:
Hmmm, not at the sites you linked, but then that's not the point is it? I searched the main ABC NBC CBS web sites and did not see it then found it on Fox.
Then I posted links to the story posted on each of those sites.
Your facts are wrong, which leads me to the conclusion you are a terrible internet searcher or you lied and did not search or lied and found them and reported otherwise. Whatever the case, it still does not make this a meaningful story.
Why do you hate America and freedom of the press?
Why do you hate America and freedom of the press?
Babies and puppies as well.
chhspantherfan
09-19-2008, 08:32 AM
Why do you hate America and the liberties the press takes?
FIFY:D
Firebird
09-19-2008, 08:43 AM
Babies and puppies as well.
I personally hate beagle puppies. I beat them with baseball bats while I read The New Yorker.
SaRattlerFan
09-19-2008, 09:09 AM
Did you look?
CNN had it yesterday?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/17/2008-09-17_top_clinton_fundraiser_lynn_forester_de_.html
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/a-democratic-baroness-endorses-mccain-palin-ticket/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/17/lynn-forester-de-rothschi_n_127047.html
She was on Hannity yesterday - basically said Obama is arrogant and she doesn't see him moving from his far left positions that he holds with Pelosi and Ried.
Anybody else see this:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/09/19/sandra-bernhard-palin-would-be-gang-raped-blacks-manhattan
The left wing hollywood CELEBRITARDS really are the scum of the earth!
I don't peruse newsbusters.com regularly and the link times out.
synopsis?
As for Rothschild, I never heard of her prior to this week. Her opinion means nothing to me.
I supported McCain in the primary, and never voted for Bill Clinton.
chhspantherfan
09-19-2008, 09:41 AM
I don't peruse newsbusters.com regularly and the link times out.
synopsis?
As for Rothschild, I never heard of her prior to this week. Her opinion means nothing to me.
I supported McCain in the primary, and never voted for Bill Clinton.
but ask the "important" voters, the women who she is and they can tell you. Any hillary backer knows the baroness
but ask the "important" voters, the women who she is and they can tell you. Any hillary backer knows the baroness
I am not a Hillary backer. Why should I care?
It does not appear there are any Hillary backers talking about this, right?
chhspantherfan
09-19-2008, 10:03 AM
I am not a Hillary backer. Why should I care?
It does not appear there are any Hillary backers talking about this, right?
not saying that you should, simply that she is far from an unknown to a very critical voting block.
not saying that you should, simply that she is far from an unknown to a very critical voting block.
Do you think that voting block is more likely to follow Rothschild or Hillary herself?
chhspantherfan
09-19-2008, 12:03 PM
Do you think that voting block is more likely to follow Rothschild or Hillary herself?
that is basis for this "dump biden, pick up hillary" rumor going around. IMO
that is basis for this "dump biden, pick up hillary" rumor going around. IMO
See I wrote that rumor off to right wing nut bags. Could be wrong.
the_phoenix612
09-19-2008, 10:30 PM
In other news, I came across this quote from John McCain, expounding on how he wants to fix healthcare. (emphasis mine, of course)
Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
SaRattlerFan
09-19-2008, 10:41 PM
In other news, I came across this quote from John McCain, expounding on how he wants to fix healthcare. (emphasis mine, of course)
Have you ever lived under a socialist healthcare system (probably not since you're not old enough to actually pay bills). I have (military and military retired system) and it sux!
Have a knee problem? Plan on waiting 3 weeks to see your primary care manager who may or may not refer you to a specialist. If you are referred, plan on waiting another couple weeks for the appointment. Need multiple appointments with the specialist, plan on having to go back to your primary care manager to get additional referal appointments. Need surgery, again, another visit back to the primary care manager for another referal. Plan on waiting several months for the surgery. Need physical therapy, plan on waiting for an opening. Bottomline, you pay less and you get a whole lot less.
the_phoenix612
09-20-2008, 02:29 AM
Conservatism dies of massive cash overdose
WASHINGTON - Conservatism died this morning. Insiders say the angry ideology - which has had terrible health issues over the past three decades - finally succumbed to a massive overdose of cash. Close friends of the ideology said it died noisily and humiliatingly in an ally near Wall Street, crying and screaming threats before it finally succumbed.
“It was sad,” said an anonymous government official. “By the end it was just yelling that it would take us all down with it. It was like I had never seen Conservatism before.”
Conservatism has been a part of humanity since the first human did something and then was convinced that they should always do that thing the same exact way forever.
But the Conservative ideology grew over the years, symbolically becoming an ideology that stood for low taxes, small government and civil rights. Post-modern Conservatism was first strangled by former President Ronald Reagan, and finally murdered in its sleep from an injection of pure hypocrisy by Newt Gingrich in 1995, thus ushering in the era of Modern Conservatism.
While hard to figure out for many, Modern Conservatism quickly carved out its own spot in the political fray. While Modern Conservatism paid lip service to the Symbolic Conservative ideology of yesteryear, it rapidly became clear what this reformed ideology truly stood for - winning elections no matter what and “getting paid.” While Conservatism enjoyed dizzying highs, the last few decades saw it evolve into an out-of-control, angry, money-hungry ideology that left many of its followers clutching to guns and religion for comfort.
A close friend of Conservatism - who spoke only under the condition of anonymity so he wouldn’t be tainted by being known as a Conservative - said the ideology was unable to overcome its personal demons.
“Like all of us, Conservatism partied hard in the 1980s and 1990s,” said the insider. “But it just never stopped. By the end, it was truly inhuman the amount of cash that Conservatism could ingest at one sitting.”
Both Presidential campaigns were quick to respond to the death of the Conservative ideology.
“Being a reforming Maverick, I’ve never been a Conservative, so its death has no effect on my history as a POW,” said John McCain in a statement prepared by 173 lobbyists. “We are bringing change and reform to Washington and I think you’ll see that my Maverickness helped kill an ideology gone mad.”
McCain then accused Democratic Presidential nominee Barack Obama as being the “most Conservative Candidate to ever run for President.” For his part, Obama expressed doubts about the reported death of his rival ideology.
“This would be just like Conservatism to fake its own death,” said Obama. “I’m certain it will come back even more hair-brained.”
Many who have clung to Conservatism and helped enable it seemed completely unable to accept the fact that it was dead. Gingrich, who personified Modern Conservativism with his shaky morals, narcissistic and free-speech-hating swagger, said he would believe his ideology was dead only when “I see its dead, bloated carcass in front of me.”
“Conservatism is next to godliness,” said Gingrich while cheating on his wife and committing tax fraud. “If the United States is left to the liberals it will become a nation of big government and socialism. So no, I can’t believe that Conservatism is dead.”
Regardless of the feelings of its supporters, doctors and political experts have verified that Conservatism is, in fact, dead.
“Ironically, the death of Conservatism is a classic tale,” said political analyst John Amato. “It was corrupted by money, lost its focus and eventually became so hooked on cash from the government that its death was inevitable.”
Services for Conservatism will take place at Burj Al Arab Motel in Dubai. Long-time Conservative hardliners like Dick Cheney, George Allen and Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild are reported to be attending. In lieu of flowers, organizers say only gifts of cash will be accepted.
“Conservatism would want it that way,” said Rothschild.
Associated Press Political Expert Ron Fournier contributed to this report.
–WKW
^^SATIRE^^
lol
Have you ever lived under a socialist healthcare system (probably not since you're not old enough to actually pay bills). I have (military and military retired system) and it sux!
Have a knee problem? Plan on waiting 3 weeks to see your primary care manager who may or may not refer you to a specialist. If you are referred, plan on waiting another couple weeks for the appointment. Need multiple appointments with the specialist, plan on having to go back to your primary care manager to get additional referal appointments. Need surgery, again, another visit back to the primary care manager for another referal. Plan on waiting several months for the surgery. Need physical therapy, plan on waiting for an opening. Bottomline, you pay less and you get a whole lot less.
I've reviewed both platforms and haven't seen socialized healthcare. I have seen the GAP plan from McCain.
Can you point out the socialized part, or do you just ilke the buzzzword?
SaRattlerFan
09-20-2008, 11:23 PM
I've reviewed both platforms and haven't seen socialized healthcare. I have seen the GAP plan from McCain.
Can you point out the socialized part, or do you just ilke the buzzzword?
This is striaght off the Obama website - "The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)"
Not only am I retired military, but I'm also a federal employee. FEHBP is socialized medicine and this plan is very similar to the military TRICARE program which is also socialized medicine.
Firebird
09-20-2008, 11:52 PM
This is striaght off the Obama website - "The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)"
Not only am I retired military, but I'm also a federal employee. FEHBP is socialized medicine and this plan is very similar to the military TRICARE program which is also socialized medicine.
FEHB is not socialized medicine. FEHB is subsidized medicine. There is a big difference between the two. Socialized medicine is along the lines of Britain's NHS. Under BO's plan, the federal government would subsidize the health care a private company provides, not provide the healthcare itself. McCain, as pied has noted, proposes pretty much the same thing.
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