I'm tired of this crap

[lonny23]

I've heard 25-5A run their mouth and I'm tired of it. Their district stinks, but they act like they're great. That means it's time for a long Lonny post with plenty of numbers to vouch for the supremacy of 26-5A. Let's look!

Average power ratings of district teams
26-5A 175.38 (3rd best in state)
27-5A 169.28 (7th)
25-5A 159.85 (24th)

The 26 teams are almost 16 point favorites over 25, but 25 has the 3 best teams! :rolleyes:

Some of you cats like records, so let's look:
26-5A 40-32 .555 (6th)
27-5A 39-33 .542 (9th)
25-5A 33-31 .516 (13th)

And you should see the difference in schedule!

Record against 4A teams
26-5A 1-0
27-5A 1-2
25-5A 7-8

Record against 5A teams
26-5A 15-8
27-5A 14-7
25-5A 8-5

Record against 5A playoff teams
26-5A 6-6
27-5A 4-2
25-5A 1-1

Record against .500+ 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 4-5
25-5A 2-2

Record against SA 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 7-6
25-5A 4-5

Here's the conclusion you can draw from the district stats. The 26-5A teams are stronger than the other teams in town. The district games are harder. 27-5A tries to play a decent schedule, but 25-5A doesn't. Judson and SV go outside the area to find very strong teams to play. The non-district games are pretty even, but the play of the last 7 weeks is significantly different in district play.

Let's look at teams:

25-5A
San Marcos
8-2 SA Madison W 17-14
3-7 Stony Point W 27-21
4A Pflugerville Connally L 7-3
4A Burnet W 49-32

Clemens
2-8 Waco W 21-0
4-6 SA Roosevelt W 15-3
4A Taylor W 44-6
5-5 Austin High W 30-7

Seguin
4A McCollum W 51-6
4A NB Canyon L 27-10
4A New Braunfels W 24-21
1-9 SA Lee W 32-9

Defend those schedules. I want to hear this! :p

27-5A
Clark
5-5 SA MacArthur L 20-13
4-5 SA Churchill W 21-14
4-5 V Memorial W 15-9

Jay
4A K Tivy L 14-6
4-6 SA E Central W 26-0
6-4 SA Reagan W 37-7

O'Connor
3-7 McAllen W 44-6
4A Boerne L 38-14
8-2 SA Madison L 21-17

These guys could stand some schedule improvement.

26-5A
Judson
8-2 L Nixon W 63-13
10-0 C Cove L 20-19
6-4 Pflugerville W 22-13

Madison
8-2 S Marcos L 17-14
2-8 SA Taft W 50-15
7-3 SA O'Connor W 21-17

S Valley
2-7 RR Westwood W 37-15
6-4 Pflugerville W 28-21
0-10 Temple W 40-6

S Valley had a few chumps, but this is the strongest of the 3 districts for playoff teams schedules.

Just looking at the 3 playoff teams in each district:

Against 4A
26-5A 0-0
27-5A 0-2
25-5A 4-2

Against 5A
26-5A 7-2
27-5A 5-2
25-5A 6-0

Against 5A playoff teams
26-5A 4-2
27-5A 1-1
25-5A 1-0

Against 5A teams .500+
26-5A 4-2
27-5A 1-2
25-5A 2-0

The 26-5A teams are more battle-tested than their counterparts in the other districts, not to mention they played better 5A teams.

You know it wouldn't be Lonny-style to not try to humiliate the other districts and I saved my favorite stats for last. In order the best power ratings in Region 4:

S Valley 189.01
S Clemens 187.21
C Judson 186.64
SA Jay 184.99
Harlingen 181.53
SA Reagan 180.37
San Marcos 180.36
L Nixon 180.20
SA O'Connor 179.87
SA Madison 178.96
CC Carroll 178.83
SA Clark 176.58
V Memorial 176.32
SA Churchill 176.08
Harlingen South 175.45
La Joya 173.47
Edinburg 172.90
San Benito 172.80
SA Marshall 172.50
SA Roosevelt 171.76
SA MacArthur 171.63
Los Fresnos 171.53
Pharr-San Juan-Alamo 171.45
SA Warren 169.93
SEGUIN 169.63

That means 26-5A is 1st, 3rd, 6th, 10th, 14th, 20th, and 21st (I only count to Seguin and leave Lee out.)

27-5A is 4th, 9th, 12th, 18th, and 24th and I leave 3 teams out.

25-5A is 2nd, 7th, and 25th and I leave the other 4 out.

NOW TELL ME WHICH DISTRICT IS BETTER! :p

Oh, you want to know what Calpreps says in Region 4. I'll be glad to tell you! :p

S Valley 44.4
Jay 42.2
Madison 40.6
Clemens 39.3
Judson 37.7
O'Connor 35.0
Reagan 34.3
Clark 33.9
S Marcos 31.6
Harlingen 31.0
MacArthur 30.1
Marshall 28.2
CC Carroll 28.0
Los Fresnos 27.4
Churchill 25.5
Roosevelt 25.4
Los Fresnos 25.2
H South 24.8
Warren 24.6
Seguin 23.9

It sure is a shame that 26-5A has the #1, 3, 5, 7, 11, 15, and 16 teams in the whole region and 7 of the top 79 in 5A! :p

[wide-e-wide]

Don't piss Lonny off...he will vomit numbers all over the board.
Pretty impressive Lonny...
What's funny is...somebody will still argue with the numbers...
Watch...here they come.

[Butch Fifield]

where do you find those stats?

[wide-e-wide]

where do you find those stats?


He makes them up as he goes.... :D

[lonny23]

Don't piss Lonny off...he will vomit numbers all over the board.
Pretty impressive Lonny...
What's funny is...somebody will still argue with the numbers...
Watch...here they come.
When they make fun of my short posts, they forget I still break off the long posts, too.

I know they'll argue with the numbers like a lawyer and pick out the one's they like. That's why I saved my favorite one's for last. You know the one's that say there are 7 teams in 26-5A that are better than Seguin! :p

[lonny23]

where do you find those stats?
Some are from Texas Football Ratings and some are from Calpreps. I got power ratings off of each site, and the district strengths and the schedules from Texas Football Ratings. I got the team records off of this site.

[lonny23]

He makes them up as he goes.... :D
Nah, they would've sounded better if I made them up. I like how the great Clemens at 10-0 is 2 points better than a Judson team that low-balled their way through the season! :p

[dragonfootballfan]

I guess all these stats will become meaningless if 25-5A sweeps 26-5A this weekend. 26-5A should be favored, but 25-5A still has good teams. The bragging rights will not be based off of all the numbers you posted they will be earned on the field this weekend.

[lonny23]

I guess all these stats will become meaningless if 25-5A sweeps 26-5A this weekend. 26-5A should be favored, but 25-5A still has good teams. The bragging rights will not be based off of all the numbers you posted they will be earned on the field this weekend.
You're right it's earned this weekend. I want to see another 26-5A sweep like last year. SM and SC have real good teams. I think Seguin is getting blown up too much, though. SM and SC still have hard games to win even though they have a lot of talent.

[biggest buff fan]

You're right it's earned this weekend. I want to see another 26-5A sweep like last year. SM and SC have real good teams. I think Seguin is getting blown up too much, though. SM and SC still have hard games to win even though they have a lot of talent.
I guess we will find out just how much time you wasted on time finding these stats, this weekend. We will find out if you can talk your talk and then walk your walk down loser lane.......just a few more days..... :rolleyes:

[svhorns]

S Valley
2-7 RR Westwood W 37-15
6-4 Pflugerville W 28-21
0-10 Temple W 40-6

S Valley had a few chumps, but this is the strongest of the 3 districts for playoff teams schedules.



You have to remember most games are based on a home and home which means they play for the next two years. Last year that schedule was pretty darn hard anyways just wanted to let you know SV didnt pick the creampuffs on purpose.

[SeguinMatadors]

Don't piss Lonny off...he will vomit numbers all over the board.
Pretty impressive Lonny...
What's funny is...somebody will still argue with the numbers...
Watch...here they come.

There is no need to argue the numbers. Numbers are just what they are, numbers. Games are played on the field. I don't look at numbers to determain which team is better than the other. I watch them play. Bottom line is I have seen Seguin and Judson play and Seguin is better. Not based on numbers, based on what my two eyes have seen. Lonny is yet to see any of these teams play so I forgive his ignorance. Fact is, those numbers will mean squat when 25-5A takes two of three from 26 this friday night.

[SeguinMatadors]

I guess all these stats will become meaningless if 25-5A sweeps 26-5A this weekend. 26-5A should be favored, but 25-5A still has good teams. The bragging rights will not be based off of all the numbers you posted they will be earned on the field this weekend.

Exactly.

[SeguinMatadors]

I've heard 25-5A run their mouth and I'm tired of it. Their district stinks, but they act like they're great. That means it's time for a long Lonny post with plenty of numbers to vouch for the supremacy of 26-5A. Let's look!

Average power ratings of district teams
26-5A 175.38 (3rd best in state)
27-5A 169.28 (7th)
25-5A 159.85 (24th)

The 26 teams are almost 16 point favorites over 25, but 25 has the 3 best teams! :rolleyes:

Some of you cats like records, so let's look:
26-5A 40-32 .555 (6th)
27-5A 39-33 .542 (9th)
25-5A 33-31 .516 (13th)

And you should see the difference in schedule!

Record against 4A teams
26-5A 1-0
27-5A 1-2
25-5A 7-8

Record against 5A teams
26-5A 15-8
27-5A 14-7
25-5A 8-5

Record against 5A playoff teams
26-5A 6-6
27-5A 4-2
25-5A 1-1

Record against .500+ 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 4-5
25-5A 2-2

Record against SA 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 7-6
25-5A 4-5

Here's the conclusion you can draw from the district stats. The 26-5A teams are stronger than the other teams in town. The district games are harder. 27-5A tries to play a decent schedule, but 25-5A doesn't. Judson and SV go outside the area to find very strong teams to play. The non-district games are pretty even, but the play of the last 7 weeks is significantly different in district play.

Let's look at teams:

25-5A
San Marcos
8-2 SA Madison W 17-14
3-7 Stony Point W 27-21
4A Pflugerville Connally L 7-3
4A Burnet W 49-32

Clemens
2-8 Waco W 21-0
4-6 SA Roosevelt W 15-3
4A Taylor W 44-6
5-5 Austin High W 30-7

Seguin
4A McCollum W 51-6
4A NB Canyon L 27-10
4A New Braunfels W 24-21
1-9 SA Lee W 32-9

Defend those schedules. I want to hear this! :p

27-5A
Clark
5-5 SA MacArthur L 20-13
4-5 SA Churchill W 21-14
4-5 V Memorial W 15-9

Jay
4A K Tivy L 14-6
4-6 SA E Central W 26-0
6-4 SA Reagan W 37-7

O'Connor
3-7 McAllen W 44-6
4A Boerne L 38-14
8-2 SA Madison L 21-17

These guys could stand some schedule improvement.

26-5A
Judson
8-2 L Nixon W 63-13
10-0 C Cove L 20-19
6-4 Pflugerville W 22-13

Madison
8-2 S Marcos L 17-14
2-8 SA Taft W 50-15
7-3 SA O'Connor W 21-17

S Valley
2-7 RR Westwood W 37-15
6-4 Pflugerville W 28-21
0-10 Temple W 40-6

S Valley had a few chumps, but this is the strongest of the 3 districts for playoff teams schedules.

Just looking at the 3 playoff teams in each district:

Against 4A
26-5A 0-0
27-5A 0-2
25-5A 4-2

Against 5A
26-5A 7-2
27-5A 5-2
25-5A 6-0

Against 5A playoff teams
26-5A 4-2
27-5A 1-1
25-5A 1-0

Against 5A teams .500+
26-5A 4-2
27-5A 1-2
25-5A 2-0

The 26-5A teams are more battle-tested than their counterparts in the other districts, not to mention they played better 5A teams.

You know it wouldn't be Lonny-style to not try to humiliate the other districts and I saved my favorite stats for last. In order the best power ratings in Region 4:

S Valley 189.01
S Clemens 187.21
C Judson 186.64
SA Jay 184.99
Harlingen 181.53
SA Reagan 180.37
San Marcos 180.36
L Nixon 180.20
SA O'Connor 179.87
SA Madison 178.96
CC Carroll 178.83
SA Clark 176.58
V Memorial 176.32
SA Churchill 176.08
Harlingen South 175.45
La Joya 173.47
Edinburg 172.90
San Benito 172.80
SA Marshall 172.50
SA Roosevelt 171.76
SA MacArthur 171.63
Los Fresnos 171.53
Pharr-San Juan-Alamo 171.45
SA Warren 169.93
SEGUIN 169.63

That means 26-5A is 1st, 3rd, 6th, 10th, 14th, 20th, and 21st (I only count to Seguin and leave Lee out.)

27-5A is 4th, 9th, 12th, 18th, and 24th and I leave 3 teams out.

25-5A is 2nd, 7th, and 25th and I leave the other 4 out.

NOW TELL ME WHICH DISTRICT IS BETTER! :p

Oh, you want to know what Calpreps says in Region 4. I'll be glad to tell you! :p

S Valley 44.4
Jay 42.2
Madison 40.6
Clemens 39.3
Judson 37.7
O'Connor 35.0
Reagan 34.3
Clark 33.9
S Marcos 31.6
Harlingen 31.0
MacArthur 30.1
Marshall 28.2
CC Carroll 28.0
Los Fresnos 27.4
Churchill 25.5
Roosevelt 25.4
Los Fresnos 25.2
H South 24.8
Warren 24.6
Seguin 23.9

It sure is a shame that 26-5A has the #1, 3, 5, 7, 11, 15, and 16 teams in the whole region and 7 of the top 79 in 5A! :p

Yawnnn...

[mad_fan]

There is no need to argue the numbers. Numbers are just what they are, numbers. Games are played on the field. I don't look at numbers to determain which team is better than the other. I watch them play. Bottom line is I have seen Seguin and Judson play and Seguin is better. Not based on numbers, based on what my two eyes have seen. Lonny is yet to see any of these teams play so I forgive his ignorance. Fact is, those numbers will mean squat when 25-5A takes two of three from 26 this friday night.


Okay Lonny, they'll concede one game with that post...we need two more threads just like this. :D

[buffbacker]

Okay Lonny, they'll concede one game with that post...we need two more threads just like this. :D


Nothing was conceded. Two games are played Friday and one Saturday. Sounds to me like they are confident about Fridays games!!!

[mad_fan]

Nothing was conceded. Two games are played Friday and one Saturday. Sounds to me like they are confident about Fridays games!!!


splitting the wrong hairs buddy...the original post says TWO OUT OF THREE...I think we all (except you) know what was intended. :p

[JudsonVoice]

There is no need to argue the numbers. Numbers are just what they are, numbers. Games are played on the field. I don't look at numbers to determain which team is better than the other. I watch them play. Bottom line is I have seen Seguin and Judson play and Seguin is better. Not based on numbers, based on what my two eyes have seen. Lonny is yet to see any of these teams play so I forgive his ignorance. Fact is, those numbers will mean squat when 25-5A takes two of three from 26 this friday night.

Wow, Madison and SV losing and Judson winning? Is that what I get from the 25 takes 2 from 26. That means Judson wins? I'm cool with that :)

[mad_fan]

:D [/B]

Wow, Madison and SV losing and Judson winning? Is that what I get from the 25 takes 2 from 26. That means Judson wins? I'm cool with that :)


A Seguin guy posted that...I dont think he conceeded the Judson game...I think he gave up Clemens.

[SeguinMatadors]

:D


A Seguin guy posted that...I dont think he conceeded the Judson game...I think he gave up Clemens.

Wrong again. Madison doesn't got a shot. I really respect what SM has done; they have great team. I just honestly feel that SV is one of those teams that will not lose. SM will keep it close but in the end I think SV takes it.

[SeguinMatadors]

Wrong again. Madison doesn't got a shot. I really respect what SM has done; they have great team. I just honestly feel that SV is one of those teams that will not lose. SM will keep it close but in the end I think SV takes it.

Okay, I am sounding like Lonny. Of course Madison has a shot. They are a good team. I just think it is unlikely.

[SVite]

Lonny,could you be saying from those power ratings,that "if" Seguin,and San Marcos were in 26 5 that both just may have not made the play offs?I guess it would matter which 2 teams were`nt in 26 5 with them being in.

Lonny,that is a bold statement! :) :eek:

[PaulinPlano]

I guess all these stats will become meaningless if 25-5A sweeps 26-5A this weekend. 26-5A should be favored, but 25-5A still has good teams. The bragging rights will not be based off of all the numbers you posted they will be earned on the field this weekend.

You are correct sir! Boy, I hate to see Lonny work that hard when he just could have waited until Friday Night to have his answer... :p Oh wait! :eek: Then maybe he would not have been able to say anything. :o Silly Me. :rolleyes:

[dwistheman]

Lonny,could you be saying from those power ratings,that "if" Seguin,and San Marcos were in 26 5 that both just may have not made the play offs?I guess it would matter which 2 teams were`nt in 26 5 with them being in.

Lonny,that is a bold statement! :) :eek:

Lets look at it this way. You put SV, Judson, Madison, San Marcos, and Seguin in one district and the top 3 go to the big dance. Who are you putting your hard earned dollar on?

26-5 takes at least 2 out of the 3 games.

[ktCarl]

oh, Lonny.....We're not worthy...we're not worthy.(Wayne's World)

You've got some serious time on your hands in Kirkisdirt.

Hope you still have time to keep us safe from bad guys.

Those are some serious numbers. So I guess 25-5A is bad. I hope you don't do any number crunching on 19-5A for this season. I've never seen it this bad.

[jrp83]

If I were a betting man and had to bet on a sweep, I would put my money on 26-5A. I'm not saying that the PO teams from 25-5A are bad, just that 26-5A is better. Go Rockets!

[zippy]

Yea, here is last years results against the teams.
Round Rock Westwood W 10-0 Pflugerville L 17-23 Temple W 35-7
This year Pflugerville was tough, but its not like they schedule creampuffs.
It is hard for SV to find teams to play, they are going to have to drive like 400 miles to play Permian next year.



You have to remember most games are based on a home and home which means they play for the next two years. Last year that schedule was pretty darn hard anyways just wanted to let you know SV didnt pick the creampuffs on purpose.

[sendero]

Yea, here is last years results against the teams.
Round Rock Westwood W 10-0 Pflugerville L 17-23 Temple W 35-7
This year Pflugerville was tough, but its not like they schedule creampuffs.
It is hard for SV to find teams to play, they are going to have to drive like 400 miles to play Permian next year.

One thing that made their schedule look worse was the Temple coaching change. There was a big fall off from Hollingshead leaving Temple.

If they are going to drive 400 miles I would pick someone that could test me more than Permian. The mojo ain't what it used to be.

[mad_fan]

Okay, I am sounding like Lonny. Of course Madison has a shot. They are a good team. I just think it is unlikely.

Posting right after yourself to correct yourself...you are sounding like Lonny. :p

Here's my deal...Madison and Clemens O's have almost identical O stats...we'll just say that they both played equally tough D's :p
Clemens D looks like one of the toughest in the state...until you look only at what they gave up against SM and Seguin...I think Madison is on par with either of those teams...so being a Madison guy...I say WE WIN! :D

[DiamondJ2]

scheduling next year's games will be difficult because of fuel prices. Many schools will have to cut back travel distances based on budget cuts. Plus the 65% rule will also put a crunch on not just athletic budgets, but all extra curricular budgets. So to find quality teams to play within a certain mileage radius could prove difficult. Northside ISD schools won't play Judson despite the high gate receipts that Judson will bring.

The coach from Seguin did what he believed to be best for his team. Just as the coach from Laredo Nixon did in scheduling Judson to play better competition. Somtimes coaches look to schedule teams who run a similar offense or defense as the majority of its district opponents to prepare players for district play. Does stength of schedule deermine the greatness of a team? To a certain degree. Don't forget other Regions always criticized the "weak" Region IV which allowed Judson to win so many state titles, state appearances and semifnal appearances, but when it came time for the Rockets to play the other Region champions, the Rockets have been on top more times than not.

Did the 3 representatives from 25-5A play against weaker teams overall?---yep. Will that hurt them in playoffs?--maybe, maybe not. The 3 representatives from 26-5A played an overall stronger group of teams. Will that help them in playoff preparation? maybe, maybe not. Throw out all the statsexcept the ones against each other in the respective districts(How does Seguin compare to the other 2 in their games against each other and vice versa. Same for 26-5A teams--just the stats against each other in district play.) What would that prove?---hell I don't now, but it would give somebody something to crunch.

[zippy]

Thats the problem, they cant find anyone. I guess if you cant find anyone, you may as well play a tradition rich school. At the time of the deal Permian was a little better than they are today. This has been in the works for over 3 years. It is just now going to happen. You really cant predict the future, but I agree. Its a long drive, and maybe they will get better between now and then. Maybe they can call Boobie in for the game. He still lives somewhere around there I think.


One thing that made their schedule look worse was the Temple coaching change. There was a big fall off from Hollingshead leaving Temple.

If they are going to drive 400 miles I would pick someone that could test me more than Permian. The mojo ain't what it used to be.

[lonny23]

You have to remember most games are based on a home and home which means they play for the next two years. Last year that schedule was pretty darn hard anyways just wanted to let you know SV didnt pick the creampuffs on purpose.
Westwood has had some good teams and has been down for 2 years.
Pflugerville is a good team to play.
Temple is up and down.

All 3 teams are decent teams to play regardless of their record. Even that weak Waco team is a decent team to have on the schedule.

[lonny23]

There is no need to argue the numbers. Numbers are just what they are, numbers. Games are played on the field. I don't look at numbers to determain which team is better than the other. I watch them play. Bottom line is I have seen Seguin and Judson play and Seguin is better. Not based on numbers, based on what my two eyes have seen. Lonny is yet to see any of these teams play so I forgive his ignorance. Fact is, those numbers will mean squat when 25-5A takes two of three from 26 this friday night.
You can't just watch a team one time and draw all your conclusions from that. You have to view them in different situations.

[lonny23]

Okay Lonny, they'll concede one game with that post...we need two more threads just like this. :D
I might be able to help you out! :p

[lonny23]

[/B]

Wow, Madison and SV losing and Judson winning? Is that what I get from the 25 takes 2 from 26. That means Judson wins? I'm cool with that :)
No, there's no way he think's Seguin is losing in spite of them having the the best chance to lose. I think he's giving up San Marcos.

[lonny23]

Lonny,could you be saying from those power ratings,that "if" Seguin,and San Marcos were in 26 5 that both just may have not made the play offs?I guess it would matter which 2 teams were`nt in 26 5 with them being in.

Lonny,that is a bold statement! :) :eek:
I'm saying that Seguin would most definitely not be in the playoffs if they were in 26-5A. San Marcos is debatable and nowhere near a lock to be a 26-5A playoff team.

[lonny23]

You are correct sir! Boy, I hate to see Lonny work that hard when he just could have waited until Friday Night to have his answer... :p Oh wait! :eek: Then maybe he would not have been able to say anything. :o Silly Me. :rolleyes:
26-5A is going to rule this weekend.

[lonny23]

oh, Lonny.....We're not worthy...we're not worthy.(Wayne's World)

You've got some serious time on your hands in Kirkisdirt.

Hope you still have time to keep us safe from bad guys.

Those are some serious numbers. So I guess 25-5A is bad. I hope you don't do any number crunching on 19-5A for this season. I've never seen it this bad.
We've all downplayed 19, but

21
18
17
20
24
23

are worse! :eek:

[lonny23]

Posting right after yourself to correct yourself...you are sounding like Lonny. :p

Here's my deal...Madison and Clemens O's have almost identical O stats...we'll just say that they both played equally tough D's :p
Clemens D looks like one of the toughest in the state...until you look only at what they gave up against SM and Seguin...I think Madison is on par with either of those teams...so being a Madison guy...I say WE WIN! :D
I say you guys win, too.

[clemensbuff]

Record against 5A playoff teams
26-5A 6-6
27-5A 4-2
25-5A 1-1

Record against .500+ 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 4-5
25-5A 2-2

Record against SA 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 7-6
25-5A 4-5

Here's the conclusion you can draw from the district stats. The 26-5A teams are stronger than the other teams in town. The district games are harder. 27-5A tries to play a decent schedule, but 25-5A doesn't. Judson and SV go outside the area to find very strong teams to play. The non-district games are pretty even, but the play of the last 7 weeks is significantly different in district play.

THOSE #S IN RED ARE NOT REALLY IMPRESSIVE! .500 IF MY MATH HASEN'T FAILED ME! :)

Like I've said a million times before, nobody has stated that 25 is better overall than 26, just that our top 3 are as good or better than your top 3!

The reason that I deleted most of your garbage is that nobody should have to read that much on a Thursday morning! :p ;)

[clemensbuff]

Oh, you want to know what Calpreps says in Region 4. I'll be glad to tell you! :p

S Valley 44.4
Jay 42.2
Madison 40.6
Clemens 39.3
Judson 37.7
O'Connor 35.0
Reagan 34.3
Clark 33.9
S Marcos 31.6
Harlingen 31.0
MacArthur 30.1
Marshall 28.2
CC Carroll 28.0
Los Fresnos 27.4
Churchill 25.5
Roosevelt 25.4
Los Fresnos 25.2
H South 24.8
Warren 24.6
Seguin 23.9

It sure is a shame that 26-5A has the #1, 3, 5, 7, 11, 15, and 16 teams in the whole region and 7 of the top 79 in 5A! :p[/QUOTE]

Boy, this looks like a very accurate poll!!! LOL :p 8 teams above SM including Madison! What a total joke! Madison and JJ above SC, even better! Hell Lonny, I bet if you search hard and long enough you can find one that has CJ ranked #1 in the nation! :D

[Svbigman]

Smtihson valley will own San Marcos like they have beend doing for the last year or two...no wait try forever.

Judson will take seguin hands down..should be a blow out

The only real competitive game will be madison and clemens..i think clemens has the slight edge but madison can still take the game from them if the time is right.

[clemensbuff]

You know it wouldn't be Lonny-style to not try to humiliate the other districts and I saved my favorite stats for last. In order the best power ratings in Region 4:

S Valley 189.01
S Clemens 187.21
C Judson 186.64
SA Jay 184.99
Harlingen 181.53
SA Reagan 180.37
San Marcos 180.36
L Nixon 180.20
SA O'Connor 179.87
SA Madison 178.96
CC Carroll 178.83
SA Clark 176.58
V Memorial 176.32
SA Churchill 176.08
Harlingen South 175.45
La Joya 173.47
Edinburg 172.90
San Benito 172.80
SA Marshall 172.50
SA Roosevelt 171.76
SA MacArthur 171.63
Los Fresnos 171.53
Pharr-San Juan-Alamo 171.45
SA Warren 169.93
SEGUIN 169.63

That means 26-5A is 1st, 3rd, 6th, 10th, 14th, 20th, and 21st (I only count to Seguin and leave Lee out.)

27-5A is 4th, 9th, 12th, 18th, and 24th and I leave 3 teams out.

25-5A is 2nd, 7th, and 25th and I leave the other 4 out.

NOW TELL ME WHICH DISTRICT IS BETTER! :p

Just another very accurate poll! :p Harlingen at #5 and SM at #7. SM would wipe the floor with them! Madison at #10 and CJ at #3, that makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it! Keep looking for some more crap Lonny, because you are giving us all a big laugh with these crappy polls!

Once again polls and stats mean abosolutely 0! I put no stock in any of them including the AP or USA Today!

[clemensbuff]

Smtihson valley will own San Marcos like they have beend doing for the last year or two...no wait try forever.

Judson will take seguin hands down..should be a blow out

The only real competitive game will be madison and clemens..i think clemens has the slight edge but madison can still take the game from them if the time is right.

Wait a minute, aren't you the same guy that just said a couple of days ago that Madison had no chance against SC? :p If I'm mistaken then please accept my sincere apology. If not, then why are you changing your mind so much?

You're going to wipe the floor with SM? Do you really beleive this? I think that they are going to give you your toughest test this year and if SV makes any mistakes, it will be the longest 30 mile bus ride of their young lives!

As far as Judson / Seguin, lets just wait and see!

[lonny23]

Oh, you want to know what Calpreps says in Region 4. I'll be glad to tell you! :p

S Valley 44.4
Jay 42.2
Madison 40.6
Clemens 39.3
Judson 37.7
O'Connor 35.0
Reagan 34.3
Clark 33.9
S Marcos 31.6
Harlingen 31.0
MacArthur 30.1
Marshall 28.2
CC Carroll 28.0
Los Fresnos 27.4
Churchill 25.5
Roosevelt 25.4
Los Fresnos 25.2
H South 24.8
Warren 24.6
Seguin 23.9

It sure is a shame that 26-5A has the #1, 3, 5, 7, 11, 15, and 16 teams in the whole region and 7 of the top 79 in 5A! :p

Boy, this looks like a very accurate poll!!! LOL :p 8 teams above SM including Madison! What a total joke! Madison and JJ above SC, even better! Hell Lonny, I bet if you search hard and long enough you can find one that has CJ ranked #1 in the nation! :D[/QUOTE]
No, because that was this poll last year. Too bad Judson lost a few because I enjoyed seeing them #1 or #2 every week! :p Longview gets top honors from Texas in this poll this year.

[lonny23]

You know it wouldn't be Lonny-style to not try to humiliate the other districts and I saved my favorite stats for last. In order the best power ratings in Region 4:

S Valley 189.01
S Clemens 187.21
C Judson 186.64
SA Jay 184.99
Harlingen 181.53
SA Reagan 180.37
San Marcos 180.36
L Nixon 180.20
SA O'Connor 179.87
SA Madison 178.96
CC Carroll 178.83
SA Clark 176.58
V Memorial 176.32
SA Churchill 176.08
Harlingen South 175.45
La Joya 173.47
Edinburg 172.90
San Benito 172.80
SA Marshall 172.50
SA Roosevelt 171.76
SA MacArthur 171.63
Los Fresnos 171.53
Pharr-San Juan-Alamo 171.45
SA Warren 169.93
SEGUIN 169.63

That means 26-5A is 1st, 3rd, 6th, 10th, 14th, 20th, and 21st (I only count to Seguin and leave Lee out.)

27-5A is 4th, 9th, 12th, 18th, and 24th and I leave 3 teams out.

25-5A is 2nd, 7th, and 25th and I leave the other 4 out.

NOW TELL ME WHICH DISTRICT IS BETTER! :p

Just another very accurate poll! :p Harlingen at #5 and SM at #7. SM would wipe the floor with them! Madison at #10 and CJ at #3, that makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it! Keep looking for some more crap Lonny, because you are giving us all a big laugh with these crappy polls!

Once again polls and stats mean abosolutely 0! I put no stock in any of them including the AP or USA Today!
Here's what I'm going to say about the Valley teams. Ignore what ratings they have because they don't play the schedule they need to be accurately rated against San Antonio. They are not as good as their ratings. I only posted them to show that Seguin isn't at the top.

[clemensbuff]

Here's what I'm going to say about the Valley teams. Ignore what ratings they have because they don't play the schedule they need to be accurately rated against San Antonio. They are not as good as their ratings. I only posted them to show that Seguin isn't at the top.

This backs up my case even further! There is not a valley team or any team that is South of SA that could beat Seguin, and that includes the CC area 5a teams! 80% of polls are garbage!

[bubbacoach]

This backs up my case even further! There is not a valley team or any team that is South of SA that could beat Seguin, and that includes the CC area 5a teams! 80% of polls are garbage!
Corpus Christie Carroll is supposed to be pretty good.

[lonny23]

Corpus Christie Carroll is supposed to be pretty good.
I don't automatically lump the Corpus teams in with the Valley. I think Carroll will be a hard out, but I'll still say Jay.

[clemensbuff]

Corpus Christie Carroll is supposed to be pretty good.

I take it they didn't play the best team in Corpus this year (CC Calallen) if the are 9-0! But, I'd say they are pretty good to be 9-0, just not in about 10 SA area teams league!

[clemensbuff]

I don't automatically lump the Corpus teams in with the Valley. I think Carroll will be a hard out, but I'll still say Jay.

JJ will take care of them if they play like they did last week! Like I said before, JJ starts out real good most years and then falls apart at the seams. This could be their year to go the opposite direction, and if so, look out!

[bubbacoach]

We will find out by Sunday morning who is the best. I know it is fun to argue that your district is the best, but the bootom line is we will know Sunday morning who is moving on, and I hope everyone will be mature enough to support those that do move on.

[lonny23]

We will find out by Sunday morning who is the best. I know it is fun to argue that your district is the best, but the bootom line is we will know Sunday morning who is moving on, and I hope everyone will be mature enough to support those that do move on.
The best fans on the board are the SA fans. I've said that for a couple years. We'll support each other as we move on.

[clemensbuff]

We will find out by Sunday morning who is the best. I know it is fun to argue that your district is the best, but the bootom line is we will know Sunday morning who is moving on, and I hope everyone will be mature enough to support those that do move on.

That just all depends on who moves on! LOL I know if we don't I'm gonna squeel like a stuck hog for a couple of days about whatever I can. :eek: But rest assured I will support ALL R4 teams in the semis and finals!

GO 25-5A!!!!

[bcheat128]

hey clemensbuff
i'm even pulling for the buffs this week

[gobuffs04]

all i really wanted is clemens to win...but now i'm kinda hoping that 255 sweeps 265 just to see how pissed off lonny gets after talkin all this garbage about how 255 is terrible :) ... and see how many buffs/matadors/rattlers fans say i told you so :D

[gobuffs04]

The best fans on the board are the SA fans. I've said that for a couple years. We'll support each other as we move on.
damn right :cool:

[lonny23]

all i really wanted is clemens to win...but now i'm kinda hoping that 255 sweeps 265 just to see how pissed off lonny gets after talkin all this garbage about how 255 is terrible :) ... and see how many buffs/matadors/rattlers fans say i told you so :D
My broom nightmares will end this week! ;) :p

[Slim-Rob]

Record against 5A playoff teams
26-5A 6-6
27-5A 4-2
25-5A 1-1

Record against .500+ 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 4-5
25-5A 2-2

Record against SA 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 7-6
25-5A 4-5

Here's the conclusion you can draw from the district stats. The 26-5A teams are stronger than the other teams in town. The district games are harder. 27-5A tries to play a decent schedule, but 25-5A doesn't. Judson and SV go outside the area to find very strong teams to play. The non-district games are pretty even, but the play of the last 7 weeks is significantly different in district play.

THOSE #S IN RED ARE NOT REALLY IMPRESSIVE! .500 IF MY MATH HASEN'T FAILED ME! :)

Like I've said a million times before, nobody has stated that 25 is better overall than 26, just that our top 3 are as good or better than your top 3!

The reason that I deleted most of your garbage is that nobody should have to read that much on a Thursday morning! :p ;)

And 25-5A is .500, .500, and .444 so tell me how that is impressive?

At least you had the balls to post about the stats, instead of being like SeguinMatador and just saying random crap like "Yawnnn..."

[SeguinMatadors]

And 25-5A is .500, .500, and .444 so tell me how that is impressive?

At least you had the balls to post about the stats, instead of being like SeguinMatador and just saying random crap like "Yawnnn..."

I am pretty sure I responded to the stats; I stated that the stats were meaningless. I posted that I have seen Judson play feel that Seguin is a better team.The stats prove that 26 is overall a better district. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I have acknowledged time and time again that 26 is a much deeper district than 25.What more do you ask of me?

[clemensbuff]

hey clemensbuff
i'm even pulling for the buffs this week

Thanks bcheat128, we really appreciate it! Are you going to the game?

[clemensbuff]

I am pretty sure I responded to the stats; I stated that the stats were meaningless. I posted that I have seen Judson play feel that Seguin is a better team.The stats prove that 26 is overall a better district. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I have acknowledged time and time again that 26 is a much deeper district than 25.What more do you ask of me?

I am getting really tired of having to say this same thing time and again. Here it is, 26-5a is deeper than 25-5a (that means they have more better teams than 25-5a) but our top 3 can hang with their best 3 anyday this year! And I posted this in orange so that Mad Fan can enjoy his school color one last time. :D

[TexasRed6x]

I am pretty sure I responded to the stats; I stated that the stats were meaningless. I posted that I have seen Judson play feel that Seguin is a better team.The stats prove that 26 is overall a better district. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I have acknowledged time and time again that 26 is a much deeper district than 25.What more do you ask of me?

You say that you have seen Judson play, well I have seen them play 9 times this year and have not seen them play. I was not at the Reagan game, went to NB Vs Canyon game, but if they ever play this year like they can them look out, but the question will remain will they. If they do then it could be scary, if not it is still scary for rocket fans. I have said this all year the have to good of talent to go 6-4 and everyone on this board knows that, what has happened to many issues to talk about now. I will take nothing away from Seguin, like the way they have turned around and could care less who they have played. The only thing that I know is that player for player Judson has the better players and that goes for all of Region 4 div 1. This does not mean that they will go to the semi's it is just if they can wake up and play like everyone knows that they can.

[SeguinMatadors]

I am getting really tired of having to say this same thing time and again. Here it is, 26-5a is deeper than 25-5a (that means they have more better teams than 25-5a) but our top 3 can hang with their best 3 anyday this year! And I posted this in orange so that Mad Fan can enjoy his school color one last time. :D

Exactly, now that we have both made it clear that we do agree, 26 is a deeper district than 25, maybe we can move past that.

[SeguinMatadors]

You say that you have seen Judson play, well I have seen them play 9 times this year and have not seen them play. I was not at the Reagan game, went to NB Vs Canyon game, but if they ever play this year like they can them look out, but the question will remain will they. If they do then it could be scary, if not it is still scary for rocket fans. I have said this all year the have to good of talent to go 6-4 and everyone on this board knows that, what has happened to many issues to talk about now. I will take nothing away from Seguin, like the way they have turned around and could care less who they have played. The only thing that I know is that player for player Judson has the better players and that goes for all of Region 4 div 1. This does not mean that they will go to the semi's it is just if they can wake up and play like everyone knows that they can.

Honestly, from what you seen at the NB vs. Canyon game, do you think Canyon can give Judson a run for their money? I am not sure how well they played last week when you watched but from what I gathered watching both teams Canyon and Judson play, I believe they can. I am interested in your opinion though.

[TexasRed6x]

Honestly, from what you seen at the NB vs. Canyon game, do you think Canyon can give Judson a run for their money? I am not sure how well they played last week when you watched but from what I gathered watching both teams Canyon and Judson play, I believe they can. I am interested in your opinion though.


Canyon executes the offense very well, but I believe the defense is suspect. In the playoffs it is important to have a good offense, but defense wins championships. Mat it is hard to say, really about Judson, the past two weeks they have been good, have they been great NO. I saw them against Churchill and I still cannot figure out who I was watching at that game. I have to admit I did not think that they could beat Reagan by 21, I thought that they would win but not by 21. As a Rocket fan I do respect Seguin, but if they play lke they did last Friday then they will be just fine, but if they playlike they did against Churchill, hell Burbank would beat them. I will tell you that they are very good on defense and that has been all season, very very fast. They also have a receiver that can be a game breaker, just doesn't get the ball enough. The offense line has good size, 300,300, 250, 265, and 240 pound kids. If they go back to smash mouth football they will do just fine, but if they come out in the spread, we will have problems.

[Humblefied]

Well, here's what the kid from 25A has to say, let's throw all the stats out the window because in the playoffs anything can happen. I saw Humble with a 7-3 record beat a tough Ike 9-1. Ike was supposed to contend with North Shore the very next week yet they got ahead of themselves and were watching the game in the stands instead of on the field. Like I said, it's the playoff baby, anything goes and anything can happen.

[lonny23]

I am pretty sure I responded to the stats; I stated that the stats were meaningless. I posted that I have seen Judson play feel that Seguin is a better team.The stats prove that 26 is overall a better district. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I have acknowledged time and time again that 26 is a much deeper district than 25.What more do you ask of me?That you put Judson is the greatest in your signature! :p

[lonny23]

You say that you have seen Judson play, well I have seen them play 9 times this year and have not seen them play. I was not at the Reagan game, went to NB Vs Canyon game, but if they ever play this year like they can them look out, but the question will remain will they. If they do then it could be scary, if not it is still scary for rocket fans. I have said this all year the have to good of talent to go 6-4 and everyone on this board knows that, what has happened to many issues to talk about now. I will take nothing away from Seguin, like the way they have turned around and could care less who they have played. The only thing that I know is that player for player Judson has the better players and that goes for all of Region 4 div 1. This does not mean that they will go to the semi's it is just if they can wake up and play like everyone knows that they can.
I'm with you on that. Nobody in R4 stands a chance if Judson gets their act together.

[Rerun]

I'm with you on that. Nobody in R4 stands a chance if Judson gets their act together.

Judson flat out does not have the talent that they have had in past seasons.

They do not have one household name.

[gobuffs04]

is judson's wr still hurt i think his names derrick williams he's number 1 on the team...i kno he could flat out catch n e thing

[mad_fan]

I am getting really tired of having to say this same thing time and again. Here it is, 26-5a is deeper than 25-5a (that means they have more better teams than 25-5a) but our top 3 can hang with their best 3 anyday this year! And I posted this in orange so that Mad Fan can enjoy his school color one last time. :D

It's great to be thought of...and funny that you'll still be thinking about me a week from now... :D ...when you're not posting as much... :p

[lonny23]

It's great to be thought of...and funny that you'll still be thinking about me a week from now... :D ...when you're not posting as much... :p
1 week from now he won't be posting at all! ;)

[mad_fan]

1 week from now he won't be posting at all! ;)


He'll be on here saying GO 26-5...Skins won't be here though... :p

[lonny23]

It's great to be thought of...and funny that you'll still be thinking about me a week from now... :D ...when you're not posting as much... :p
I never asked about your postseason BBQ.

I just assumed you were eating buffalo! :p Cougar is on the menu next week. Mustang is in Week 3 if you haven't gotten tired of Jack In The Box! :p I'm just going to leave Week 4 alone since it's a PG board. I have a good 26-5A putdown for that one! :D

[mad_fan]

I never asked about your postseason BBQ.

I just assumed you were eating buffalo! :p Cougar is on the menu next week. Mustang is in Week 3 if you haven't gotten tired of Jack In The Box! :p I'm just going to leave Week 4 alone since it's a PG board. I have a good 26-5A putdown for that one! :D


Buffalo is the FIRST course...it all take WEEKS of planning. :p
You have me on the edge of my seat for week 4...we'll be here! :D

[4down]

Where are these numbers coming from? Are you just using the 3 playoff teams? because otherwise it looks like 25-5 only played 13 total 5A games, Which would be utterly false given that SC played 9 5A games and SM and Seg. PROBABLY played more than 4 total 5A games... maybe there's some qualification that i wasn't seeing, but it really does look like the numbers are skewed... and BTW - you can use statisitcs to prove any point, - 14% of all people know that... ;)

gotta be honest with you, I don't see why there is this polarization toward 25-5 or 26-5 sweeping the other - I just don't see it happening.

my picks:
SV over SM close game
SC over Mad. not as close, but not a blowout
Judson v. Seguin ??? not sure at all to be honest, but i'd give an edge to Judson with experience being a key

[gobuffs04]

Buffalo is the FIRST course...it all take WEEKS of planning. :p
You have me on the edge of my seat for week 4...we'll be here! :D
ok in all sincerity now...do u honestly think that madison is going to beat clemens or r u just talkin like u think that??? cuz i remember when we used to be in district 26 madison was good but they nvr really gave us that much trouble...

[lonny23]

Buffalo is the FIRST course...it all take WEEKS of planning. :p
You have me on the edge of my seat for week 4...we'll be here! :D
I couldn't have you eat the Rangers, so they'll have to do it themselves! :p

[lonny23]

Where are these numbers coming from? Are you just using the 3 playoff teams? because otherwise it looks like 25-5 only played 13 total 5A games, Which would be utterly false given that SC played 9 5A games and SM and Seg. PROBABLY played more than 4 total 5A games... maybe there's some qualification that i wasn't seeing, but it really does look like the numbers are skewed... and BTW - you can use statisitcs to prove any point, - 14% of all people know that... ;)

gotta be honest with you, I don't see why there is this polarization toward 25-5 or 26-5 sweeping the other - I just don't see it happening.

my picks:
SV over SM close game
SC over Mad. not as close, but not a blowout
Judson v. Seguin ??? not sure at all to be honest, but i'd give an edge to Judson with experience being a key
I was posting non-district numbers as far as games go.

[lonny23]

ok in all sincerity now...do u honestly think that madison is going to beat clemens or r u just talkin like u think that??? cuz i remember when we used to be in district 26 madison was good but they nvr really gave us that much trouble...
Are you sure you want to say that? I'm headed to the books! ;)

OK, Clemens was 3-1 between 2000 and 2003 and you were right:

2003 Clemens 14 Madison 10
2002 Madison 17 Clemens 10
2001 Clemens 28 Madison 7
2000 Clemens 33 Madison 17

[clemensbuff]

1 week from now he won't be posting at all! ;)

I'll be too busy laughing my A$$ off to control my hands enough to post! :p

[mad_fan]

ok in all sincerity now...do u honestly think that madison is going to beat clemens or r u just talkin like u think that??? cuz i remember when we used to be in district 26 madison was good but they nvr really gave us that much trouble...

YES, YES, YES, YES...were there four questions in there? :p
The more I think about it, it's the perfect storm. I absolutely believe that this is the team that will knock off the state top 10 rated team in the SA area. :D Madison defeats Clemens! :D

[mad_fan]

I couldn't have you eat the Rangers, so they'll have to do it themselves! :p

It's going to be at a park...the Rangers will be disarmed! :D

[biggest buff fan]

YES, YES, YES, YES...were there four questions in there? :p
The more I think about it, it's the perfect storm. I absolutely believe that this is the team that will knock off the state top 10 rated team in the SA area. :D Madison defeats Clemens! :D
DONT THINK SO>>>>>>>wake up mad fan man....can't wait to talk to you tonight after the game...

[mad_fan]

Are you sure you want to say that? I'm headed to the books! ;)

OK, Clemens was 3-1 between 2000 and 2003 and you were right:

2003 Clemens 14 Madison 10
2002 Madison 17 Clemens 10
2001 Clemens 28 Madison 7
2000 Clemens 33 Madison 17

I knew he was right! But, that was then...the past means nothing...except against Judson (99,01,03,05.....) :D

[OldSCfan]

YES, YES, YES, YES...were there four questions in there? :p
The more I think about it, it's the perfect storm. I absolutely believe that this is the team that will knock off the state top 10 rated team in the SA area. :D Madison defeats Clemens! :D

Not going to happen this year!!

[SeguinMatadors]

DONT THINK SO>>>>>>>wake up mad fan man....can't wait to talk to you tonight after the game...

Mad is going to the Judson-Seguin game. He is going to be in for a tripple whammy tonight. He is going to watch Judson get beat. Hear Madison get beat and come back here and get a beating from us.

[biggest buff fan]

Right on Mat......They are just DREAMERS and are going to have an awakening tonight .....GO MATS>>GO BUFFS , GO RATTLERSMad is going to the Judson-Seguin game. He is going to be in for a tripple whammy tonight. He is going to watch Judson get beat. Hear Madison get beat and come back here and get a beating from us.

[clemensbuff]

Are you sure you want to say that? I'm headed to the books! ;)

OK, Clemens was 3-1 between 2000 and 2003 and you were right:

2003 Clemens 14 Madison 10
2002 Madison 17 Clemens 10
2001 Clemens 28 Madison 7
2000 Clemens 33 Madison 17

Lone win courtesy of a great RB now playing at OU. Gary green is not going to OU! :p

Couple of close ones there! :D

[clemensbuff]

Mad is going to the Judson-Seguin game. He is going to be in for a tripple whammy tonight. He is going to watch Judson get beat. Hear Madison get beat and come back here and get a beating from us.

He will not show his face here tonight if his Mavs loose!

[BuffFan2005]

Im tired of these long stat sheets.. in HS football stats can mean nothing when it comes down to two good teams.. my opinion.. 25-5A sweeps 26 i will laugh if that happens then I guess Lonnys stats go down the drain! Well goodluck tonite its playoff time! Any thing goes!

[4down]

I was posting non-district numbers as far as games go.


interesting - so are those power rankings mainly strength of schedule rankings or is it a ranking of the teams based on season performance with a weighting for strength of schedule?

Record against SA 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 7-6
25-5A 4-5

this appears fairly close on first glance - do all the districts have the same amount of teams being compared, or is this just the three playoff teams?

Against 5A
26-5A 7-2
27-5A 5-2
25-5A 6-0

- There are three and 1 more games total respectively, and 26 only has one more win. I'll give you the experience might help, but the two additional losses seem to temper this stat.

Against 5A playoff teams
26-5A 4-2
27-5A 1-1
25-5A 1-0

This is a big deal - no doubt about that - and these numbers heavily favor 26 in terms of experience against good teams. once again, this is only non-district games, right?

Against 5A teams .500+
26-5A 4-2
27-5A 1-2
25-5A 2-0

Once again 4 more games brought only 2 more wins. It doesn't seem to prove a lot.

Interesting takes, lonny - I think your biased in your pick against SC (obvious, I guess) being a Judson guy, but i like the numbers you posted - it'll be interesting to see what the weekend brings.

[biggest buff fan]

Im tired of these long stat sheets.. in HS football stats can mean nothing when it comes down to two good teams.. my opinion.. 25-5A sweeps 26 i will laugh if that happens then I guess Lonnys stats go down the drain! Well goodluck tonite its playoff time! Any thing goes!

Yep it sure does.......and I hear we have some secret plays were gonna use tonight........he he..... :p ....They have been working on them all week....And they are sneaky....

[lonny23]

I knew he was right! But, that was then...the past means nothing...except against Judson (99,01,03,05.....) :D
I sure don't like Judson's playoff record in those years.

99 no playoffs
01 lose to Taft in Round 2
03 no playoffs

We did break the Spurs curse, though. :D

[lonny23]

interesting - so are those power rankings mainly strength of schedule rankings or is it a ranking of the teams based on season performance with a weighting for strength of schedule?

Record against SA 5A teams
26-5A 7-7
27-5A 7-6
25-5A 4-5

this appears fairly close on first glance - do all the districts have the same amount of teams being compared, or is this just the three playoff teams?

Against 5A
26-5A 7-2
27-5A 5-2
25-5A 6-0

- There are three and 1 more games total respectively, and 26 only has one more win. I'll give you the experience might help, but the two additional losses seem to temper this stat.

Against 5A playoff teams
26-5A 4-2
27-5A 1-1
25-5A 1-0

This is a big deal - no doubt about that - and these numbers heavily favor 26 in terms of experience against good teams. once again, this is only non-district games, right?

Against 5A teams .500+
26-5A 4-2
27-5A 1-2
25-5A 2-0

Once again 4 more games brought only 2 more wins. It doesn't seem to prove a lot.

Interesting takes, lonny - I think your biased in your pick against SC (obvious, I guess) being a Judson guy, but i like the numbers you posted - it'll be interesting to see what the weekend brings.
The power rankings are for the team based upon performance compared to their schedule.

That 2nd stat is all the teams in the 3 districts against the other 5A teams in town. 26 and 27 have 8 teams and 25 has 7 teams.

26 played better 5A teams than 25 did.

The 5A playoff teams stats were for games outside of district. A district game always has 1 winner and 1 loser.

Those extra 4 games show the 26-5A playoff teams played better teams in non-district. They only had 3 non-district games, not 4.

I have some more stats that I didn't put out a few days ago.

[lonny23]

Here's more stats.

Seguin scores 30 and gives up 13. Judson scores 25 and gives up 12. If you split the middle on the teams, Seguin is ahead 21-19.

Judson holds teams 13 points under their season average and scores 7 points more than their opponents give up.

Seguin holds teams 11 points under their season average and scores 3 more points than their opponents give up.

Judson is ahead 15-11.

Seguin's opponents have a strength of schedule of 156 and Judson's are 174.

That makes Judson a 22 point favorite over Seguin. You have to adjust for the 4A teams and I'm giving them a 25% penalty in the individual games. That's worth 4 more points and takes us to Judson by 26. The game might be closer, but Judson is a clear favorite.

[clemensbuff]

I sure don't like Judson's playoff record in those years.

99 no playoffs
01 lose to Taft in Round 2
03 no playoffs

We did break the Spurs curse, though. :D

Who beat CJ that year to keep them out of the playoffs? LOL :D

[lonny23]

Who beat CJ that year to keep them out of the playoffs? LOL :D
The Madison game was not close, so the answer is your Buffaloes. Boy, I hated for all those people to go home happy on FM 78. :mad:

[lonny23]

San Marcos scores 35 and gives up 14. SV scores 29 and gives up 14. The middle says 24.5-21.5 San Marcos.

San Marcos takes 10 points away and adds 11 when compared to their opponents. SV takes away 6 and adds 7. It's now 29.5-18.5 San Marcos.

San Marcos is up 11 points. San Marcos' opponents schedule strength is 163 and SV is 168. San Marcos is up 6 points. I give SV 7 extra points for past playoff success and they're now up 1 point. I could've done it for Judson, but they didn't need the points. Seguin played 2 4A teams and that's worth 2 more points. Survey says SV by 3 points!

[lonny23]

Clemens scores 37 and gives up 8. Madison scores 28 and gives up 19. The middle says 28-18 Clemens.

Clemens takes off 13 points and adds 12. Madison takes off 4 points and adds 9. 36-12 Clemens and they're up by 24.

Clemens' opponents are 163 and Madison's are 171. Clemens up by 16. Henry is hurt and I'm taking 7 points off of Clemens. The Buffs by 9. We have to consider the 4A teams, too. That's worth 1 point. Clemens by 15.

The stats don't support a Madison win, but that's also why I called it an upset.

[dragonfootballfan]

Lonny you are starting with valid stats and then arbitrarily adding and subtracting points. Unless this is a joke, I don't see why you are doing this.

[lonny23]

Using the stats I just threw out, Judson would be a 6 point favorite over Clemens before adding in past playoff success, which would give the Rockets a victory of about 10 points. Clemens would be a 1 point favorite over SV until you add in their playoff advantage and that puts the Rangers up by 6.

[lonny23]

Lonny you are starting with valid stats and then arbitrarily adding and subtracting points. Unless this is a joke, I don't see why you are doing this.
Not really.

You have to account for 4A teams being weaker than 5A teams. You score more and give up less. I know it's more than the 8% average difference between the power rating of 4A teams and 5A teams. You add in home field advantage and there's nothing wrong with playoff mojo. You know Judson, Katy and SV are going to play better than the stats say they should. Clemens built up stats with Henry and his absence has to be accounted for. I think he's worth about 7 points in the playoffs.

[dragonfootballfan]

Not really.

You have to account for 4A teams being weaker than 5A teams. You score more and give up less. I know it's more than the 8% average difference between the power rating of 4A teams and 5A teams. You add in home field advantage and there's nothing wrong with playoff mojo. You know Judson, Katy and SV are going to play better than the stats say they should. Clemens built up stats with Henry and his absence has to be accounted for. I think he's worth about 7 points in the playoffs.
I understand that but you present your findings as facts when they are actually opinion. How do you know how many points you should add because one team played a 4A or someone is injured.

[PaulinPlano]

Here's more stats.

Seguin scores 30 and gives up 13. Judson scores 25 and gives up 12. If you split the middle on the teams, Seguin is ahead 21-19.

Judson holds teams 13 points under their season average and scores 7 points more than their opponents give up.

Seguin holds teams 11 points under their season average and scores 3 more points than their opponents give up.

Judson is ahead 15-11.

Seguin's opponents have a strength of schedule of 156 and Judson's are 174.

That makes Judson a 22 point favorite over Seguin. You have to adjust for the 4A teams and I'm giving them a 25% penalty in the individual games. That's worth 4 more points and takes us to Judson by 26. The game might be closer, but Judson is a clear favorite.

Clear to you I think. :confused: I am going to start calling you Norm as in Norm Hitzges. He is a stat guy like you. ;)

I don't think the missiles will put up 26 points on the Seguin Defense.

[lonny23]

I understand that but you present your findings as facts when they are actually opinion. How do you know how many points you should add because one team played a 4A or someone is injured.
It's my subjective opinion based upon the past. It's reasonable to think that I should adjust the numbers, but by how much is debatable. I'm not saying the final scores are going to go like my stats say, but I do think on paper it looks like 2 games won't be real close.

The whole goal is to crunch past the most basic numbers and make people think. You know stuff like Seguin might lose to New Braunfels if they were 5A and San Marcos could lose to a 5A Burnet squad. The only thing I didn't do was put a cap on margin of victory. The reason why some power polls put a cap on victories is because mismatched games really get out of hand and most of the time the losing team is really worse than the victor beats them by. The 25-5A teams really feasted off of their opponents and that padded their stats to look better compared against 26-5A.

[lonny23]

Clear to you I think. :confused: I am going to start calling you Norm as in Norm Hitzges. He is a stat guy like you. ;)

I don't think the missiles will put up 26 points on the Seguin Defense.
I think I'm right more often than Norm, though! :p Boy, he has his detractors. :D

[SeguinMatadors]

Lonny you are starting with valid stats and then arbitrarily adding and subtracting points. Unless this is a joke, I don't see why you are doing this.

I don't know if you watch Cold Pizza's first in 10 but if you do, Lonny's formula for determaining winners should remind you of some of the ways that Woody Paige comes to conclusions. :)

[gobuffs04]

I think I'm right more often than Norm, though! :p Boy, he has his detractors. :D
have u seen a single football game this year??? it doesn't take a genius to figure out that madison can't be clemens...and just so u kno stats don't mean jack squat...just make sure ur around tonight after the game so that we can all tell u i told u so

[lonny23]

have u seen a single football game this year??? it doesn't take a genius to figure out that madison can't be clemens...and just so u kno stats don't mean jack squat...just make sure ur around tonight after the game so that we can all tell u i told u so
Don't worry. I'll be sitting in the same chair I'm in now and on the computer during and after the games.

[lonny23]

I don't know if you watch Cold Pizza's first in 10 but if you do, Lonny's formula for determaining winners should remind you of some of the ways that Woody Paige comes to conclusions. :)
Woody is cool, though. He's right on a lot of stuff. I don't watch the show very often because I'm already at work before it comes on.

[SeguinMatadors]

Woody is cool, though. He's right on a lot of stuff. I don't watch the show very often because I'm already at work before it comes on.

Never said Woody wasn't cool. i get a kick out of the guy.

[BuffFan2005]

What does all that useless HS football stat knowledge do for you lonny? It doesnt mean anything. Year by Year new kids filter through these schools and they are either good or they arent. Who cares about the past, its about right now.. clemens will beat madison, san marcos will beat SV and Seguin will beat judson! haha hopefully..

[lonny23]

What does all that useless HS football stat knowledge do for you lonny? It doesnt mean anything. Year by Year new kids filter through these schools and they are either good or they arent. Who cares about the past, its about right now.. clemens will beat madison, san marcos will beat SV and Seguin will beat judson! haha hopefully..
Hey, I'm just giving you guys something to think and talk about.

[clemensbuff]

The Madison game was not close, so the answer is your Buffaloes. Boy, I hated for all those people to go home happy on FM 78. :mad:

The fact is that if we had not given them the 21 in the first half off of turnovers, it would have been much uglier on the scoreboard

[clemensbuff]

Lonny you are starting with valid stats and then arbitrarily adding and subtracting points. Unless this is a joke, I don't see why you are doing this.

Because he is in the A.F. and has more time on his hands then he can deal with! :p

[clemensbuff]

Using the stats I just threw out, Judson would be a 6 point favorite over Clemens before adding in past playoff success, which would give the Rockets a victory of about 10 points. Clemens would be a 1 point favorite over SV until you add in their playoff advantage and that puts the Rangers up by 6.

What playoff advantage for SV? I don't remember them winning a state title yet either!

[clemensbuff]

It's my subjective opinion based upon the past. It's reasonable to think that I should adjust the numbers, but by how much is debatable. I'm not saying the final scores are going to go like my stats say, but I do think on paper it looks like 2 games won't be real close.
The whole goal is to crunch past the most basic numbers and make people think. You know stuff like Seguin might lose to New Braunfels if they were 5A and San Marcos could lose to a 5A Burnet squad. The only thing I didn't do was put a cap on margin of victory. The reason why some power polls put a cap on victories is because mismatched games really get out of hand and most of the time the losing team is really worse than the victor beats them by. The 25-5A teams really feasted off of their opponents and that padded their stats to look better compared against 26-5A.

That's the problem right there, you should be objective and not subjective! :p

Paper does not play the game, the kids do!

[mad_fan]

He will not show his face here tonight if his Mavs loose!


One thing I am is man enough to appear. I'll be here!

[mad_fan]

Mad is going to the Judson-Seguin game. He is going to be in for a tripple whammy tonight. He is going to watch Judson get beat. Hear Madison get beat and come back here and get a beating from us.

Mad is having beer and BBQ...Mad is going to lone laptops to his friends...we'll all to talking about the Madison upset... :p

[clemensbuff]

I thing I am is man enough to appear. I'll be here!

That's what I'm talking about! I'll try and be here also if we loose, providing I don't fall asleep as soon as I sit down in my Lazyboy tonight after the game. I've been at it since 4:00 this morning and I'm afraid all that celebrating tonight at Judson Stadium is going to totally drain me! LOL You sound like a guy that I could sit down and drink a couple of cool ones with, if you weren't a Madison fan! :)

Good luck, GO BUFFS

[lonny23]

That's what I'm talking about! I'll try and be here also if we loose, providing I don't fall asleep as soon as I sit down in my Lazyboy tonight after the game. I've been at it since 4:00 this morning and I'm afraid all that celebrating tonight at Judson Stadium is going to totally drain me! LOL You sound like a guy that I could sit down and drink a couple of cool ones with, if you weren't a Madison fan! :)

Good luck, GO BUFFS
Drinking cold ones is part of the training to cope with being a Mavs fan! :p

[mad_fan]

Drinking cold ones is part of the training to cope with being a Mavs fan! :p


Damn straight, I took off early...started the fire...opened a brew...and still playing with the server I'm installing tomorrow...is that why networks go down sometimes? :D

It's still a Madison win (to stay on topic) :p

[sendero]

Damn straight, I took off early...started the fire...opened a brew...and still playing with the server I'm installing tomorrow...is that why networks go down sometimes? :D

It's still a Madison win (to stay on topic) :p

You still have time to take a few trips up and down Knickerbocker... :D

[mad_fan]

You still have time to take a few trips up and down Knickerbocker... :D


Are you kidding? I've had ONE beer...that's near death penalty here! Sherwood Way is a possibility though. ;)

[lonny23]

I had a reason to be tired of all that crap! :p

[mad_fan]

I had a reason to be tired of all that crap! :p

WE had reason to be tired of this crap!...One more day and silence from the 25! :D

[lonny23]

I am pretty sure I responded to the stats; I stated that the stats were meaningless. I posted that I have seen Judson play feel that Seguin is a better team.The stats prove that 26 is overall a better district. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I have acknowledged time and time again that 26 is a much deeper district than 25.What more do you ask of me?
To be right more often!:p

[lonny23]

Don't piss Lonny off...he will vomit numbers all over the board.
Pretty impressive Lonny...
What's funny is...somebody will still argue with the numbers...
Watch...here they come.
Wide, wait for Round 2 of the NBA playoffs. I might have astrological signs and blood types!:D

[lonny23]

Judson flat out does not have the talent that they have had in past seasons.

They do not have one household name.
That's not true. I distinctly remember a few posters calling them 4-letter words during the year!:D

[lonny23]

You know that might've been the best week of the season last year. I loved teaming up with the 26-5A guys arguing with 25-5A. I liked the 27-5A sweep, but we didn't get any argument that week. There isn't anything better than having 2 polar opposites arguing and one side coming out with a complete victory.

[SeguinMatadors]

Seriously, if talking to yourself at 2 in the morning is what you do on your spare time... get a life.

[Humblefied]

I like how the last post before lonny says something dates back to like 5 months ago.

[lonny23]

I like how the last post before lonny says something dates back to like 5 months ago.
That's because I wanted to bring this thread up and we stopped talking about it in November.

[RedRage00]

Lonny? Do you work? lol