Best Receiving Core?

[Svbigman]

Beyer, Fuller at SV are really strong here, but i am curious what else there is amongst the state. Who are ur best?

[dragonfootballfan]

Beyer, Fuller at SV are really strong here, but i am curious what else there is amongst the state. Who are ur best?
Carroll has the best receivers in the state. They have a rotation of about 7 kids and have maybe three d-1 receivers

[pack0808]

Not this thread again!! You know who i think but do i really have to give my reasons why again. LOL I think Lufkin and SLC have the best wr's and i will leave it at that.

[LUFPAN]

Dez Bryant, Thad Gordon, Raphael Thompson, E.J. Shankle from Lufkin compromise the best receiving core in the state.

[pack0808]

Dez Bryant, Thad Gordon, Raphael Thompson, E.J. Shankle from Lufkin compromise the best receiving core in the state.


You forgot Marcus Raines. He starts over Thad but they do rotate.

[badger95]

D-1 TE's William Ball (Duke) and Kyle Adams (Purdue), plus WR's Staton Jobe (a D-1 steal for somebody!) and Cory Bost make Westlake's receiving corp look pretty good.

[pack0808]

D-1 TE's William Ball (Duke) and Kyle Adams (Purdue), plus WR's Staton Jobe (a D-1 steal for somebody!) and Cory Bost make Westlake's receiving corp look pretty good.


Lot of talent there but you did add a tight end. He does catch balls but he is not technically a wr. ;) It is almost a guarantee that you will see at least 3 and possibly 4 of the Lufkin wr's playing on the div1a level. :eek: Shankle has already signed with A&M but the biggest recruit of all will be Dez. Dez and Ralph are only juniors.

[PurpleNation]

Lufkin and SLC are a toss up.

[badger95]

Lot of talent there but you did at a tight end. He does catch balls but he is not technically a wr. ;) It is almost a guarantee that you will see at least 3 and possibly 4 of the Lufkin wr's playing on the div1a level. :eek: Shankle has alredy signed with A&M but the biggest recruit of all will be Dez. Dez and Ralph are only juniors.

Ball actually play WR in most of Westlake's sets because his speed is so good, and it allows them to have Adams and he on the field at the same time with Jobe. Ball was recruited as a TE, however and could play FB or even LB at Duke, much like former Westlaker Brendan Dewan who is there now.

[BigArab]

I thought it was pretty funny a couple of years ago when Longview was considered to have the best receiving corps with Malcolm Kelly, Tate Casey, and Rogers Taylor. It was funny considering it's Longview!

[pack0808]

I thought it was pretty funny a couple of years ago when Longview was considered to have the best receiving corps with Malcolm Kelly, Tate Casey, and Rogers Taylor. It was funny considering it's Longview!


That was definitely some great talent!! Both Tate and Malcom are starting for Florida and OU but what happened to the Taylor guy??

[BigArab]

That was definitely some great talent!! Both Tate and Malcom are starting for Florida and OU but what happened to the Taylor guy??

He's starting for Southern, but I don't know what happened to their season because of the hurricane.

[rancher52]

Carroll has the best receivers in the state. They have a rotation of about 7 kids and have maybe three d-1 receivers
I live in the area & have followed SLC 's success over the last 15 years. I think for HSFB SLC does have the best group of receivers. Regarding D-1 prospects, however, I only see Jacobson being a true D-1 player. What schools are after the others --- I really thought Renfro is just too fraile to get into Big-Time D1 but I could be wrong.

[dragonfootballfan]

I live in the area & have followed SLC 's success over the last 15 years. I think for HSFB SLC does have the best group of receivers. Regarding D-1 prospects, however, I only see Jacobson being a true D-1 player. What schools are after the others --- I really thought Renfro is just too fraile to get into Big-Time D1 but I could be wrong.
Renfro will go D1 and I know that Corbin Smiter who just started playing varsity this year is being looked at by a couple of schools and is close to getting an offer

[TrojanHorse03]

Could someone tell me who were the starting receivers for Lufkin at the beginning of last year. You guys had a guy last year or the year before who I thought was really good but I forgot the name. By the way I could write a whole page's worth of reasons why I believe that E.J. would have been better for Lufkin as a running back. I swear in 2003 he and Javorskie were Reggie Bush and LenDale White.

[southlake thug]

James Allen should be playing D-1, as well as Evan Fentriss, Corbin, McKay, and Clint.

That is 5 D-1 caliber players, not to mention a RB in Newton that can catch the ball out of the backfield.

SLC has by far the most depth at WR, and is overall the best at the position.

[implacable44]

James Allen should be playing D-1, as well as Evan Fentriss, Corbin, McKay, and Clint.

That is 5 D-1 caliber players, not to mention a RB in Newton that can catch the ball out of the backfield.

SLC has by far the most depth at WR, and is overall the best at the position.

I dont think James Allen is going D1 - did Fentriss and Corbin get offers? I hadn't heard that.

[dragonfootballfan]

I dont think James Allen is going D1 - did Fentriss and Corbin get offers? I hadn't heard that.
I think that either Corbin has received an offer or is close to getting one. I am not sure and have not heard anything about Fentriss

[singularity]

Beyer, Fuller at SV are really strong here, but i am curious what else there is amongst the state. Who are ur best?
I'm not so sure about Fuller. It seems that if the ball isn't placed within arms reach of Fuller, he won't catch it. I know there have been a few exceptions, but overall, there have been some good passes that were very catchable, yet they weren't caught even though he had no coverage.

[wide-e-wide]

I'll say it before ddaddy sees this thread...

It is corps....not core.

[PACK '97]

James Allen should be playing D-1, as well as Evan Fentriss, Corbin, McKay, and Clint.

That is 5 D-1 caliber players, not to mention a RB in Newton that can catch the ball out of the backfield.

SLC has by far the most depth at WR, and is overall the best at the position.


granted...SLC does have great recievers year in year out, but I would have to say LP has just as good recievers (not saying better) than SLC this year...Bryant, Thomas, Shankle, Rains, and Gordon are 5 top notch recievers...who knows who has the best recievers...only one of them can catch the ball each play anyways. These are all opinions, we'll never know who "has the best corps (that better wide?)"

hope we can make it to the semis again to see both teams Corps go at it.

[travisk44]

South Garland would be up there if Derron Montgomery wasn't hurt. Phillip Payne, Derron Montgomery, Brandon Strait, Tyler Lunduff, John Turner, LeMon Roberts and Joesph Macaluso. They would most defiantly be up there if Jordan Reever or Derrek Kent was the QB but they're not. The QB is a rising Sophomore star that will be up there with those 2 before long.

[southlake thug]

Neither Corbin nor Fentriss have any offers yet, but they will. They are both starting to get some attention.

Implac- How can you say James shouldn't go D1. The kid is the perfect reciever. He has all the assets that are needed to succeed. Plus he is one of the few people that have broken their femur bone. The kid just continues to overcome adversity.

[dragonfootballfan]

Neither Corbin nor Fentriss have any offers yet, but they will. They are both starting to get some attention.

Implac- How can you say James shouldn't go D1. The kid is the perfect reciever. He has all the assets that are needed to succeed. Plus he is one of the few people that have broken their femur bone. The kid just continues to overcome adversity.
James Allen is iffy on a D1 offer. I do not think that he has the potential to earn a legitimate offer. It is not as easy to go D1 as you make it out to be. He blocks well, but that is all that he has shown me this year

[dragonsdaddy]

some one might take a flyer on a kid who has d-1 size and is a big hitter. he could play a walk off te, or even safety. his blocking/hitting has been nigh on criminal this year. i and most of the lbs and safeties he has hit are impressed.

[dragonfootballfan]

some one might take a flyer on a kid who has d-1 size and is a big hitter. he could play a walk off te, or even safety. his blocking/hitting has been nigh on criminal this year. i and most of the lbs and safeties he has hit are impressed.
his blocking is amazing and is almost like a tight end for the Carroll offense. I think that most of the running plays and screen passes have been to his side this year. I also do not think that his future is at wide receiver. He does not have the speed or the moves, but could be a good player at the next level.

[Favpack]

Neither Corbin nor Fentriss have any offers yet, but they will. They are both starting to get some attention.

Implac- How can you say James shouldn't go D1. The kid is the perfect reciever. He has all the assets that are needed to succeed. Plus he is one of the few people that have broken their femur bone. The kid just continues to overcome adversity.


SLC has the most productive receivers in the state - period. They play their system to near perfection. Are they the best? Hard to say -- but - yes, again for their system.

But, you guys are stretching beyond reason to suggest any more than 2 of them go a solid D1. How many receivers from SLC are playing D1 right now? Where's Gedwig? That guy killed us last year - did he go D1?

McKay - yes
Renfro - not sure, size is an issue for him to get pt
Fentriss - impressive, but who's busting down his door?

Anything beyond that is a reach, unless of course you wear green glasses ;)

[CenTexFan]

Westlake

Two D1 players – Adams TE (Purdue) and Ball (Duke) plus Jobe is has been the big play makers all year and caught several critical passes against hays down the stretch

[dragonfootballfan]

SLC has the most productive receivers in the state - period. They play their system to near perfection. Are they the best? Hard to say -- but - yes, again for their system.

But, you guys are stretching beyond reason to suggest any more than 2 of them go a solid D1. How many receivers from SLC are playing D1 right now? Where's Gedwig? That guy killed us last year - did he go D1?

McKay - yes
Renfro - not sure, size is an issue for him to get pt
Fentriss - impressive, but who's busting down his door?

Anything beyond that is a reach, unless of course you wear green glasses ;)
I know for a fact that Renfro and Smiter have both gotten a lot of legitimate talk. I think that Renfro has offers and I know that Smiter has been talking with a few programs who are close to offering.

[Favpack]

DFF - I'll let you guys keep tabs on who's talking to who - fortunately for opposing D's --you only have one ball to use at a time - your receivers are plenty good.

Do you know where Gedwig is these days? Does he play? thanks.

[dragonfootballfan]

DFF - I'll let you guys keep tabs on who's talking to who - fortunately for opposing D's --you only have one ball to use at a time - your receivers are plenty good.

Do you know where Gedwig is these days? Does he play? thanks.
I am not sure where he is. The best thing about having a lot of good receivers is it is different than most high school teams. Most teams when you are going to pass you know that it will always go to one specific player. Lufkin and Carroll have the luxury of trusting many different receivers to make a play

[taco_bockley]

I think lufkin has the best receiving core in the state. I don't know off anybody that can hold dez bryant in the state maybe lenard hewitt and he is on our team

[dragonsdaddy]

kenton signed to play baseball at baylor. good pickup late in the year for the bears.

[03mustangwideout]

North Shores Chris Riser and Kevin Rutland may not be the best but probably to of the fastest. I know i wouldnt want these guys to catch the ball in the open field cause you cant catch them.

[crunked9]

I just have to throw in my 2 cents!! '02! Hansen, Chandler, Sellari! ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

and incher. don't forget incher.

[southlake thug]

those were the best WR to come through carroll in my opinion up until this year. the depth this year is was impresses me. The fact that there are players like Bryce Jones and Zak Presley that don't start says something about the program.

[VB Pack Fan]

Hey guys how many times have this thread surfaced here. It does not really make a difference, because as one stated ,there,s only one ball to throw.I think Favpack was right on about some of the SLC kids. If you are what colleges are looking for you would have offers by now. And Renfro is a good wr, but big time college ball ,he won,t be able to take the hits unless he puts some serious weight and muscle on.I hope this does not make any one mad but after high school the SLC wr,s and backs have been kinda "aol" so far.Daniels will be a great qb in about two years......sorry but just my opinon :o

[BigArab]

Longview's is deceptively good this year. Everyone questioned what David Robinson was going to do with Kelly gone, but I think he's answered that. So far in 10 games, he has more catches than Kelly ever had in a season. In the past 3 games he has shown he is a reliable deep threat, including pulling down a TD pass in between double coverage on a jump ball against JT. Adrian Reese can catch the ball any way, anywhere. And there are two more TEs who have gotten on the score sheet as well as another receiver that has good enough hands to where if you were covering Reese and Robinson, you would have to worry about him (I forget his name). Top that off with McGee and Ivory's ability out of the backfield and I'd say it is deceptively dangerous. Carlin has thrown 12 TDs to only 2 INTs so far this season. His completion percentage isn't the greatest, but what do you expect.

Not the greastest, but they will score if need be.

[implacable44]

Neither Corbin nor Fentriss have any offers yet, but they will. They are both starting to get some attention.

Implac- How can you say James shouldn't go D1. The kid is the perfect reciever. He has all the assets that are needed to succeed. Plus he is one of the few people that have broken their femur bone. The kid just continues to overcome adversity.


I havent seen him do anything this year to merit D1 - maybe like you said he can change positions but he isn't going D1 as a receiver - IMO - who is he talking to ?

fentriss and smider (sp) are both pretty good but even they havent signed yet - do they have any offers?

[dragonsdaddy]

Hey guys how many times have this thread surfaced here. It does not really make a difference, because as one stated ,there,s only one ball to throw.I think Favpack was right on about some of the SLC kids. If you are what colleges are looking for you would have offers by now. And Renfro is a good wr, but big time college ball ,he won,t be able to take the hits unless he puts some serious weight and muscle on.I hope this does not make any one mad but after high school the SLC wr,s and backs have been kinda "aol" so far.Daniels will be a great qb in about two years......sorry but just my opinon :o
of the 3(4) wr's mentioned earlier for slc, 2 are starting at wr and 1 will start at qb next year. that's not a bad percentage in my books. i guess it doesn't stand up to what you are used to in the piney woods, but what can you say?

[chap fan]

I have to agree that the receivers on Westlake's team this year are something special--as is our quarterback. But as a unit, I think they're the best I've seen here in several years, and I haven't seen any team we've faced this year that has better receivers. Of course, playoffs are the time to see such things!

[LeanderLions3033]

I'm not saying their the best but the stats are fairly impressive. I dont know the exact stats but it appeared in the paper something similar to this.

Billy Allen 650+ yards recieving 12 tds
Curenski Gilleylen 650+ yards 7 tds
Travis Njuko 500+ yards 2 tds
Josh McKinnley 300+ 2 tds
Josh Tidmore 200+ 0 tds
Brett Schroeder 150+ yards 2 tds (hes been money on 3rd and goal from the 8 both times he scored)

Drew has put up district MVP type numbers with nearly 2400 passing yards and 25 tds on the year with only 6 ints (4 in that one freak game against mcneil so other than that hes been nearly flawless)

[dragonfootballfan]

those were the best WR to come through carroll in my opinion up until this year. the depth this year is was impresses me. The fact that there are players like Bryce Jones and Zak Presley that don't start says something about the program.
they would not have started in '02 though. That year almost all three broke the touchdown record at the school which now Renfro broke last year. I think they had one with 16, 20 and 22. I am not sure if those are exact numbers, but they are still pretty good

[dragonsdaddy]

actually, renfro only tied it with 23.

[Dragonuncle]

Renfro has offers from Ga. Tech, T. Tech, Baylor, Stanford, TCU, Duke plus UCLA is making a push at him. I do believe he is more than enough qualified for D1.

[dragonsdaddy]

welcome tio. always room for another relative.

[southlake thug]

I havent seen him do anything this year to merit D1 - maybe like you said he can change positions but he isn't going D1 as a receiver - IMO - who is he talking to ?

fentriss and smider (sp) are both pretty good but even they havent signed yet - do they have any offers?

Yeah they haven't signed yet, but neither has anyone. It is a little early. They don't have any offers yet, but after time they will.

[crunked9]

But all SLC recievers have to step aside for the great one..... Kyle Brown!! HE was the man!! If the new Carroll System would of been in place his senior year.... WOW!!!!

[dragonfootballfan]

But all SLC recievers have to step aside for the great one..... Kyle Brown!! HE was the man!! If the new Carroll System would of been in place his senior year.... WOW!!!!
I would tend to agree. He really turned it on in the playoffs and got to show is stuff. He was Carroll's offense and special teams. I thought that the team would be in dire straits after he graduated, but the new stable of receivers all chipped in to replace him.

[implacable44]

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Yeah they haven't signed yet, but neither has anyone. It is a little early. They don't have any offers yet, but after time they will.


well that isnt true -some people have signed. - but i am just curious to see the extent of these offers - I haven't heard anything about Clint receiving offers from Stanfordor UCLA ? I knew about TTech, TCU and Baylor - ( some of which are for track purposes am I right ?)

[rancher52]

well that isnt true -some people have signed. - but i am just curious to see the extent of these offers - I haven't heard anything about Clint receiving offers from Stanfordor UCLA ? I knew about TTech, TCU and Baylor - ( some of which are for track purposes am I right ?)
I don't think UIL allows signing until Feb 06. Until then all you have is verbal commitments.

[dragonfootballfan]

well that isnt true -some people have signed. - but i am just curious to see the extent of these offers - I haven't heard anything about Clint receiving offers from Stanfordor UCLA ? I knew about TTech, TCU and Baylor - ( some of which are for track purposes am I right ?)
well as long as he plays football he will be on a football scholarship regardless of if he runs track because that is how the NCAA rules work.

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't think UIL allows signing until Feb 06. Until then all you have is verbal commitments.
actually people have signed for other sports, like basketball

[southlake thug]

True, I belive Feb. 6 is national signing day. That is why all commitments right now are just verbal. Wednesday was signing day for Softball, Volleyball, Golf, and some track.

[Dragonuncle]

Well, lets see if a trip to Stanford that included dinner with Bill Walsh, would that convince you that they are interested? As I said UCLA is making a late push to be included in his and their decision. Nobody has signed a binding LOI because you can't until Feb. Teams have interest in a lot of players that they would be willing to sign if the player they were hoping to sign went to another university. Finally Renfro does and will run track at whatever school he chooses.

[rancher52]

Well, lets see if a trip to Stanford that included dinner with Bill Walsh, would that convince you that they are interested? As I said UCLA is making a late push to be included in his and their decision. Nobody has signed a binding LOI because you can't until Feb. Teams have interest in a lot of players that they would be willing to sign if the player they were hoping to sign went to another university. Finally Renfro does and will run track at whatever school he chooses.
Actually that may be an illegal practice as far as the NCAA is concern. (e.g., contact by person representing interests of the institution.)

[dragonfootballfan]

Actually that may be an illegal practice as far as the NCAA is concern. (e.g., contact by person representing interests of the institution.)
It was probably on an official visit and Walsh is now the Athletic Director of Stanford. If the AD cannot meet with a recruit on an official visit then what can a player do on a visit now

[rancher52]

It was probably on an official visit and Walsh is now the Athletic Director of Stanford. If the AD cannot meet with a recruit on an official visit then what can a player do on a visit now
When did Leland step down?

[Dragonuncle]

It was an official trip. Walsh is part of the athletic dept. Not exactly sure of his title. Nothing illegal.

[rancher52]

I just looked it up and Walsh on 11/9 was named interim director for Leland; official trip or not, the contacts are controlled by the NCAA. And I can't see how Walsh would not be considered "representing the Athletic interests of the institution."

[rancher52]

I just looked it up and Walsh on 11/9 was named interim director for Leland; official trip or not, the contacts are controlled by the NCAA. And I can't see how Walsh would not be considered "representing the Athletic interests of the institution."
I think I found how it is legal... he was a special assistant to Leland and being a member of the Athletic Dept he could have been listed as an exception to the rule.

[implacable44]

it appears to me he has interest from a few schools ( Clint) and thank you for clarifying scholarships and sports - track - football - you mean you only need 1 scholarship to compete in any amount of sports at a school ? like the tuition isn't doubled or something based on the sport or sports played? wow -

as far as interest from stanford or ucla - I haven't seen or heard about it so i will take your word - as far as lunch - well his father played in the NFL I think - oh yeah he did - so big deal if he and his son go to lunch with an ex NFL coach / GM ? - that doesn't mean anything more to me. When the offers come down I will believe it. Thing is - I know he can play -- and he is fast as heck but he is also about 140 pounds - maybe. and as he gains weight will he be able to keep that speed ?

[Dragonuncle]

He's got his grandfathers speed (ran a 9.5 100 back in 1951) And he has his fathers size. Mike was not more than 185 when he was drafted by the Oilers in 78. By the way he is about 160 know and the kid does not lift weights. So once he gets to college that will change. We will see.

[PACK '97]

why doesnt he lift any weights?....is this because of track/speed?

[implacable44]

He's got his grandfathers speed (ran a 9.5 100 back in 1951) And he has his fathers size. Mike was not more than 185 when he was drafted by the Oilers in 78. By the way he is about 160 know and the kid does not lift weights. So once he gets to college that will change. We will see.

160 ? are we talking in pads and soaking wet ?

[dragonfootballfan]

it appears to me he has interest from a few schools ( Clint) and thank you for clarifying scholarships and sports - track - football - you mean you only need 1 scholarship to compete in any amount of sports at a school ? like the tuition isn't doubled or something based on the sport or sports played? wow -


The comment that I made that if he were to participate in both football and track then he would be on a football scholarship and not a track scholarship. Each school is only allowed to have 85 kids on football scholarship so if this rule was not in place you could stockpile athletes on track scholarships to play football.

[rancher52]

160 ? are we talking in pads and soaking wet ?
9.5 was extremely fast in 1951..... only .1 off the standing world record at the time of 9.4.

[rancher52]

160 ? are we talking in pads and soaking wet ?
I need to use the same scales ..... I need to lose at least 20 lbs. Seriously, a couple of weeks ago my youngest son and I were in Kincaids and C. Renfro was there. My son weighs a good 165 and I would bet he had 15-20 lbs on Renfro. One of the listing services listed him at 5'11" and 148 --- I think that one is right on. I have seen him listed as big as 6'1" and 165 and that is just wishful thinking at this point.

[implacable44]

yeah somewhere between 140 and 150 sounds about right - MAX 150 -

I understand the scholarship thing was my point -

9.5 does seem pretty fast.

[Dragonuncle]

renfro 9.5 (www.tshof.org/bios/tshof/r/renfror.htm)

[implacable44]

renfro 9.5 (www.tshof.org/bios/tshof/r/renfror.htm)


i dont think anyone was doubting his speed -

[Favpack]

I still bet anyone a milkshake that Clint makes a bigger name in track at the next level than in football - no slight to him. That is, unless he doesn't run track. Look at Jeremy Warner - 400 meter gold medalist from Arlington/Grand Prairie. Same build, same speed, both played same position in hs. I guarantee you Baylor offers him a track scholarship. Who wouldn't want to train with Michael Johnson and Warner?

[VB Pack Fan]

A 9.5 in 1951, where can I look that up . I have been involed in track and field , but don,t seem to remember that from Renfro grand dad.Oh and no one has told me about any of those SLC backs and receivers on the college level. What are they doing after HS.I know about some of the linemen and one kicker .

[dragonsdaddy]

A 9.5 in 1951, where can I look that up . I have been involed in track and field , but don,t seem to remember that from Renfro grand dad.Oh and no one has told me about any of those SLC backs and receivers on the college level. What are they doing after HS.I know about some of the linemen and one kicker .
i'll answer it redundantly again.

of the 3(4) wr's mentioned earlier for slc, 2 are starting at wr and 1 will start at qb next year. that's not a bad percentage in my books. i guess it doesn't stand up to what you are used to in the piney woods, but what can you say?

[Willieg]

Sleeper out of all these cores has to be the Westfield WRs

Than as much publicty cause Pierre only threw the ball 64 times this year but
#80 Connor the best allround reciever
#4 Ridge Speed Big Play Ability
#2 Johnson Speed and Quickness
#9 McGee Raw Talent

If they threw the ball at least 15 times a game there stats and ranking would be jus as high

[Dragonuncle]

VB Pack Fan, Look at the link in my post, back up the page, or go to Texas Sports Hall of Fame and look it up yourself.