D2 Championship Poll

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I took the top 10 D2 teams straight from the top 25 pole.

Region 1 has 3 teams
Region 2 has 4 teams
Region 3 has 1 team
Region 4 has 2 teams

[KatyTigerDad0407]

The pole will be open for 14 days. If the D2 champ comes from this group of teams I wanted the voting over with by the first 2 rounds.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Carroll and Katy are tied in the pole. That would be a great game.

[dragonfootballfan]

Katy has a great squad this year, and I would love to have a Katy vs. Carroll Round 2. Too bad it will not be able to be in the alamodome which creates one of the best atmospheres for high school football. Division two is loaded just like last year.

[Resoku]

IMac is gonna win state!
lol i wish.
but we're definitely gonna give carrol a run for their money.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

IMac is gonna win state!
lol i wish.
but we're definitely gonna give carrol a run for their money.

I wanted to include other teams in the poll. Region 3 only has Katy in the poll. It assumes a lot on Katy's part.

[dragonfootballfan]

I wanted to include other teams in the poll. Region 3 only has Katy in the poll. It assumes a lot on Katy's part.
this poll shows the shortcommings of Texas's playoff system. Most of the strongest teams in region 3 teams are in division 1, and most of the strongest teams in region 1 and 2 are in division 2.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

this poll shows the shortcommings of Texas's playoff system. Most of the strongest teams in region 3 teams are in division 1, and most of the strongest teams in region 1 and 2 are in division 2.

True stroy, but I'll take it over college any day.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

2005 - 5A Division II State Champion - Garland Owls (14-2)

[dragonfootballfan]

True stroy, but I'll take it over college any day.
I would also take it over many other state's high school playoff system

[LUFPAN]

2005 - 5A Division II State Champion - Garland Owls (14-2)

While I admire your enthusiasm and respect your professional opinion. You missed the call on this one. Garland will be out no later than round 2. :cool:

[TrojanHorse03]

I would also take it over many other state's high school playoff system

Yeah some brilliant state's such as Ohio :rolleyes: have copied the BCS's way of doing things. By the way LUFPAN you never know how fickle Lady Playoffs can be, Garland has sum stellar players on D, however despite the presence of a legitimate stud in Brandon Antwine they were surprisingly soft against the run in their 2 losses vs Desoto and Carter(who by the way r definitely no slouchs in that department, but their also both in D2 too.) But its mostly an offense that I believe would fold against the big boys that keeps me skeptical of Garland.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

While I admire your enthusiasm and respect your professional opinion. You missed the call on this one. Garland will be out no later than round 2. :cool:

We'll see! ;)

[LUFPAN]

Yeah some brilliant state's such as Ohio :rolleyes: have copied the BCS's way of doing things. By the way LUFPAN you never know how fickle Lady Playoffs can be, Garland has sum stellar players on D, however despite the presence of a legitimate stud in Brandon Antwine they were surprisingly soft against the run in their 2 losses vs Desoto and Carter(who by the way r definitely no slouchs in that department, but their also both in D2 too.) But its mostly an offense that I believe would fold against the big boys that keeps me skeptical of Garland.

If Garland beats JT this week, they will most likely meet Carter in round 2. Although anything is possible (see Garland's 2003 bouncing of Lufkin in round 1) in this case, I dont think it probable.

[travisk44]

My pick is Lufkin

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Do you think people are just voting for their own team or do you think it has any legitimacy? I would think being a top 10 D2 team that voting would be more even, but it seems really one sided between 2 schools.

[SeguinMatadors]

Where is Dallas White?!?!

[LongviewLobo209]

As a Longview fan, I would like nothing better than to beat Lufkin, SLC, and Katy and win the State Championship. Could us Longview fans ask for a better story?

Now all we have to do is cary out this simple task. :cool: :eek:

[LUFPAN]

I think it will come down to a very critical week three. If all predictions hold true, then SLC vs. Abilene, Longview vs. Lufkin, Katy vs. H. Madison . In my opinion, there is no clear favorite in any of those match-ups. I'll give Katy a very small nod in their match-up. The SLC vs. Abilene and Longview vs Lufkin games are just to close to call. It would be awesome if both of those games could somehow end up in Texas Stadium on the same Saturday. The closest I can come up with a true prediction is...the winner of the Longview vs. Lufkin game will go on to win it all. :cool:

[KatyTigerDad0407]

As a Longview fan, I would like nothing better than to beat Lufkin, SLC, and Katy and win the State Championship. Could us Longview fans ask for a better story?

Now all we have to do is cary out this simple task. :cool: :eek:

That's a very possible route. Longview or Lufkin (same route) , WOW we're talking highschool football folklore.

[nate]

I think it will come down to a very critical week three. If all predictions hold true, then SLC vs. Abilene, Longview vs. Lufkin, Katy vs. H. Madison . In my opinion, there is no clear favorite in any of those match-ups. I'll give Katy a very small nod in their match-up.

Funny guy. No sense whatsoever. But humorous statement.

[LUFPAN]

Funny guy. No sense whatsoever. But humorous statement.

And what do you find so funny? Do you really find humor in the idea that I give Katy a slight edge over Houston Madison. Perhaps you would like to explain to the Katy fans why you feel they should not be favored? :rolleyes:

[Red Raiders]

I see Katy been picked the most because alot of them from Houston, haha very good reason huh? but thats ok, I picked Southlake Carroll. Longview deserves to win this and I hope they will.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I see Katy been picked the most because alot of them from Houston, haha very good reason huh? but thats ok, I picked Southlake Carroll. Longview deserves to win this and I hope they will.

The Houston people don't seem to like Katy this year. Just my perception. I may be wrong. I think when any school shows up in the playoffs year in and year out they are more respected on the state level and more envied on the local.

[SuperBuffs]

And what do you find so funny? Do you really find humor in the idea that I give Katy a slight edge over Houston Madison. Perhaps you would like to explain to the Katy fans why you feel they should not be favored? :rolleyes:

I am a Madison Marlin and when I played, Katy was considered White people to the west who thought they were better than everybody else, they was all the motivation we needed to stomp the he!! out of them. I never really bought into that racial thing, but it made for some serious blackboard material......

Anyway, times have changed and it seems that Katy and all suburban schools have more Blacks on their squads and the race issue just don't hold water......but every once in a while a Houston school may get a win over these more priviledged programs....I hope my Marlins win, but Katy is a powerful football force.

However, FB Thurgood Marshall can beat them.....no doubt about that....
GO MARLINS.....GO BUFFS......GO BULLDAWGS

[PaulinPlano]

Berkner should have made the poll.

I am rooting for Plano, and they have a great shot this year, but the Dragons may have forgotten how to lose. It is difficult to pick against them until they get knocked off.

[ruffshod]

The Houston people don't seem to like Katy this year. Just my perception. I may be wrong. I think when any school shows up in the playoffs year in and year out they are more respected on the state level and more envied on the local.

The true football fans love good football. Anf for the past 15 yrs, Katy has been the class of region 3. There is no dislike here. NS has had the talent, but has only made two or three real serious runs. While Katy has at least 8 or so the last 15 yrs. Maybe, we envy you just a little bit. In fact I picked you guys on my bracket, and would've went to San Antone to watch y'all beat SLC, but my son had a little league champ game that weekend.

[KTHoC]

I am surprised to see Katy leading the poll at this point. I voted for them because I know how good this team is and the potential it has. I, also, know how good the coaching staff is and how well they prepare these kids for each game. Usually everybody overlooks Katy because they don't have the stellar stats and players every year. They play as a team and execute as they have been coached. This year they do have some stellar performers and could very well reach the stars! Of course, that is if they get past Superbuffs!
I agree that Katy is hated by some in Region III and respected by many. They prove themselves year in and year out. Cetainly the most successful program in the region in the past 15 - 20 years. I am not saying for one or two or three years in that span, but, for the duration of that time frame. That may be why they are leading this poll at the present. SLC is deservedly second and may well be the leader when this poll closes.
Don't you just love the playoff season?!!? The crisp autumn air, the sound of shoulder pads and helmets clashing, the roar of the crowds, the bands playing and the scoreboard ticking down the last seconds as your team is moving on to the next round! Nothing like football in December!

[SFAlobo]

Katy by far has the greatest CHANCE to win state this year, simply because their road to the state game is relatively easy compared to the R 1 and 2 rep. They will be a lot "fresher", they will definitely benefit from that. I think SLC or Longview comes from the other side, I might give the edge to SLC, but regardless of all the talk about LV's secondary, if you look at the numbers they have played great games except for one. So I can't really call that one just yet...the fact that SLC gives up so many points is a concern...with so many teams putting up big numbers this year.


Since I am from Longview and it is not a complete leap of fatih...I say Longview beats Katy in the chamionship this year. So i guess I am saying LV beats SLC :rolleyes:

[rancher52]

Katy by far has the greatest CHANCE to win state this year, simply because their road to the state game is relatively easy compared to the R 1 and 2 rep. They will be a lot "fresher", they will definitely benefit from that. I think SLC or Longview comes from the other side, I might give the edge to SLC, but regardless of all the talk about LV's secondary, if you look at the numbers they have played great games except for one. So I can't really call that one just yet...the fact that SLC gives up so many points is a concern...with so many teams putting up big numbers this year.


Since I am from Longview and it is not a complete leap of fatih...I say Longview beats Katy in the chamionship this year. So i guess I am saying LV beats SLC :rolleyes:
I am sure the SLC folks will respond but from what I observed on the SLC D, it was a young one that had to mature. Looking at the last 5 games only 3 teams scored. Grapevine got 23 but at least one was a defensive score. There was a total of 21 given up in the other 4 games. They were playing strong D at the end of the year and gave up something like 250 yds a game .... much less in the last 5.

[nate]

And what do you find so funny? Do you really find humor in the idea that I give Katy a slight edge over Houston Madison. Perhaps you would like to explain to the Katy fans why you feel they should not be favored? :rolleyes:

I take issue with your use of the word "slight." I believe Katy has much more than a slight advantage over the Marlins.

However, FB Thurgood Marshall can beat them.....no doubt about that....

As for Marshall, I also believe Katy will beat them. Convincingly.

[kttigersrock]

I am a Madison Marlin and when I played, Katy was considered White people to the west who thought they were better than everybody else, they was all the motivation we needed to stomp the he!! out of them.

Considering all that motivation, one out of 4 ain't bad....

1998 area - Katy 27 Madison 7
1999 area - Katy 38 Madison 14
2000 area - Katy 50 Madison 19
2001 area - Katy 21 Madison 40

[c-lisle]

Katy by far has the greatest CHANCE to win state this year, simply because their road to the state game is relatively easy compared to the R 1 and 2 rep. They will be a lot "fresher", they will definitely benefit from that. I think SLC or Longview comes from the other side, I might give the edge to SLC, but regardless of all the talk about LV's secondary, if you look at the numbers they have played great games except for one. So I can't really call that one just yet...the fact that SLC gives up so many points is a concern...with so many teams putting up big numbers this year.


Since I am from Longview and it is not a complete leap of fatih...I say Longview beats Katy in the chamionship this year. So i guess I am saying LV beats SLC :rolleyes:

IMO Lview would be the best state champ. By best I mean we will accomplish the most as a team by winning state. We will get revenge on three teams if we go all way assumming Katy is in the finals. We owe South Garland, LP, and Katy big time.

Very good point about Katy. They definately benefit from regions 3/4 being weaker. The state game will be a doozie though. You can also look at it this way. Will they play a team any near the caliber of a Lview/LP/SLC. If they aren't used to the speed one of those teams might come out and overwhelm them. Just a thought.

[dragonfootballfan]

IMO Lview would be the best state champ. By best I mean we will accomplish the most as a team by winning state. We will get revenge on three teams if we go all way assumming Katy is in the finals. We owe South Garland, LP, and Katy big time.

Very good point about Katy. They definately benefit from regions 3/4 being weaker. The state game will be a doozie though. You can also look at it this way. Will they play a team any near the caliber of a Lview/LP/SLC. If they aren't used to the speed one of those teams might come out and overwhelm them. Just a thought.
I don't think that one team winning would mean more than another, unless a team had most of its players displaced because of the hurricane and then went on to win a title even though half of there players were now somewhere else.

[zippy]

I love it! This is almost exact to last years predictions! Some people never learn.... :confused:

[c-lisle]

I love it! This is almost exact to last years predictions! Some people never learn.... :confused:


you mean katy/lview/LP all thinking they are going to win and SLC knowing they are going to win. It is almost exact, but every season is different and we will have to watch and see how it plays out. I would be going against my better judgement if I didn't say SLC is going to win....again.

[dragonfootballfan]

I love it! This is almost exact to last years predictions! Some people never learn.... :confused:
never learn what? That Smithson Valley will not win the big one..... oh wait everyone already knows that.

[zippy]

One thing that I have learned is that your are classless idiot. Hows that? Anyway, just wanted to let you know that you can keep being an A-hole, but I will never respond to your posts again (in any thread), so you will be wasting your time. I am done wasting mine on a 6th grader. SLC will have its day, they will not win forever (enjoy it while it lasts), and SV WILL win the big one as long as Hill is there. That is a promise.

never learn what? That Smithson Valley will not win the big one..... oh wait everyone already knows that.

[zippy]

Well, sort of, last year Longview, Lufkin, SLC, and Katy were picked as a shoe in, much like this year. However, I feel that we might see something other than that by far this year. I will say Katy has a very good chance no doubt, but on both sides of the backett there are a couple of teams under the radar, that might sneak up on everyone. SV is not one of them either. You never know what is going to happen to them, I always give them a chance unlike some, and they always come through. But I have think we might all be surprised this year by the turnout.


you mean katy/lview/LP all thinking they are going to win and SLC knowing they are going to win. It is almost exact, but every season is different and we will have to watch and see how it plays out. I would be going against my better judgement if I didn't say SLC is going to win....again.

[Shoot2thrill]

never learn what? That Smithson Valley will not win the big one..... oh wait everyone already knows that.

There's a post with a lot of class. And I am not partial to either school.

[c-lisle]

Well, sort of, last year Longview, Lufkin, SLC, and Katy were picked as a shoe in, much like this year. However, I feel that we might see something other than that by far this year. I will say Katy has a very good chance no doubt, but on both sides of the backett there are a couple of teams under the radar, that might sneak up on everyone. SV is not one of them either. You never know what is going to happen to them, I always give them a chance unlike some, and they always come through. But I have think we might all be surprised this year by the turnout.


So who do you think the surprises will be? I just don't see it going any different in Regions 1 and 2. I don't see any team that can beat SLC/Lview/LP until two of them meet up. I am not disrespecting other teams I just think they are that good. I really think they will blowout every team they play except for each other. I can't speak for regions 3 and 4 cause I don't knokw enough about the teams.

[LongviewLobo209]

I really think that both of those games should end up at the same place if possible. SFA's stadium could hardly hold last years crowd. I think there would be even more people this year. Also, I really dont want to miss another great game between SLC and Abilene!

[dragonfootballfan]

One thing that I have learned is that your are classless idiot. Hows that? Anyway, just wanted to let you know that you can keep being an A-hole, but I will never respond to your posts again (in any thread), so you will be wasting your time. I am done wasting mine on a 6th grader. SLC will have its day, they will not win forever (enjoy it while it lasts), and SV WILL win the big one as long as Hill is there. That is a promise.
the classless one is not the one namecalling and using curse words. Think about that one a little while. At least Carroll has had success and that will not be taken away from them. How can you say that Carroll's success will not last forever, but then claim that Smithson Valley will have success in the future? Please tell me Friday's lotto numbers while you are at it. Could you please also tell me who the next Triple Crown winner will be and when that will take place. I hate watching NASCAR, but I am interested in who will win the championship please tell me whether Tony Stewart will pull it out.

[dragonfootballfan]

There's a post with a lot of class. And I am not partial to either school.
I am glad you are not partial to either school, now don't get into someone else's business.

[c-lisle]

I really think that both of those games should end up at the same place if possible. SFA's stadium could hardly hold last years crowd. I think there would be even more people this year. Also, I really dont want to miss another great game between SLC and Abilene!


But where will you move the game to? There is no other stadium convenient for both sides. I don't have a problem with moving it but I want the same atmosphere as last year and I think that if you move it the atmosphere will change.


BTW, thanks again for the tickets. I couldn't make my pops sit on that hill. LOL

[singularity]

Wow...Katy has a new regime of posters...lol

I don't remember seeing 41 earlier this year.

[singularity]

the classless one is not the one namecalling and using curse words. Think about that one a little while. At least Carroll has had success and that will not be taken away from them. How can you say that Carroll's success will not last forever, but then claim that Smithson Valley will have success in the future? Please tell me Friday's lotto numbers while you are at it. Could you please also tell me who the next Triple Crown winner will be and when that will take place. I hate watching NASCAR, but I am interested in who will win the championship please tell me whether Tony Stewart will pull it out.
Your post was classless, and some people dont appreciate snide remarks, so they tend to call them as they see them. Quit crying because he called you out.

[Shoot2thrill]

I am glad you are not partial to either school, now don't get into someone else's business.

Act like an adult instead of some high school sophomore. Or are you? ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

Your post was classless, and some people dont appreciate snide remarks, so they tend to call them as they see them. Quit crying because he called you out.
I am not crying, but what about someone calling you an A-hole on a message board. Is that not classless?

[singularity]

I am not crying, but what about someone calling you an A-hole on a message board. Is that not classless?
I could go without it, but it was provoked by your initial comments.

[dragonfootballfan]

Act like an adult instead of some high school sophomore. Or are you? ;)
ohh that is nice. Why do you have to insult all of the high school sophomores on this board, by implying that they are classless? I am not a sophomore, but I will defend them as well as myself while refraining from engaging in personal attacks which I view as classless, but the more "classy" on this board apparently do not.

[dragonfootballfan]

I could go without it, but it was provoked by your initial comments.
so it is my fault that I was called an A-hole? I fail to see the part where I forced someone to call me a name.

[singularity]

Chill on the class/classless issue. Your comment was a little rude. Apparently you don't know what it is like to support or be a part of a graet team that comes within a win, 3 out of 4 of the last years, to a ring. Its tough to get stuck in a runner-up rut. With the exception of 02, SV lost as close as it gets (Overtime and last second field goal). It sucks.

never learn what? That Smithson Valley will not win the big one..... oh wait everyone already knows that.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

First it was Katy and Strake, then NS and Pearland, now it is you guys. Please don't get this thread locked out. I want the poll to stay open.

[dragonfootballfan]

Chill on the class/classless issue. Your comment was a little rude. Apparently you don't know what it is like to support or be a part of a graet team that comes within a win, 3 out of 4 of the last years, to a ring. Its tough to get stuck in a runner-up rut. With the exception of 02, SV lost as close as it gets (Overtime and last second field goal). It sucks.
so this is another reason why someone is allowed to call someone an A-hole. I do not see any logic in any of the excuses that you have given.

[singularity]

so this is another reason why someone is allowed to call someone an A-hole. I do not see any logic in any of the excuses that you have given.
I'm not sticking up for the name-calling. I agree with you that we shouldn't go there. I am just explaining why your comment was just as rude as his name-calling. Your comment was no better. Just a different breed of cutdown.

[dragonfootballfan]

I'm not sticking up for the name-calling. I agree with you that we shouldn't go there. I am just explaining why your comment was just as rude as his name-calling. Your comment was no better. Just a different breed of cutdown.
so cursing in a personal attack was just as bad as an opinion that was posted in response to someone's post that had just as much merit as the original post.

[singularity]

You are killing me man. You did this to Zippy in the Coach thread too. you are trying to pick a fight. Your initial comment was an arrogant schoolyard fight starter.Everyone knows.....I am through...off to join zippy...

[dragonfootballfan]

You are killing me man. You did this to Zippy in the Coach thread too. you are trying to pick a fight. Your initial comment was an arrogant schoolyard fight starter.Everyone knows.....I am through...off to join zippy...
okay here is what prompted the personal attack. The reason that I made that comment was to point out how foolish the one that I quoted was. I took that some people never learn was that Smithson Valley is always overlokked. The thing is that this was a Championship winning poll, not a long run in the playoffs poll. Smithson Valley will be overlooked until they win one and then if in a championship poll nobody mentions them someone can post what Zippy did.

I love it! This is almost exact to last years predictions! Some people never learn.... :confused:
never learn what? That Smithson Valley will not win the big one..... oh wait everyone already knows that.
then this followed
One thing that I have learned is that your are classless idiot. Hows that? Anyway, just wanted to let you know that you can keep being an A-hole, but I will never respond to your posts again (in any thread), so you will be wasting your time. I am done wasting mine on a 6th grader. SLC will have its day, they will not win forever (enjoy it while it lasts), and SV WILL win the big one as long as Hill is there. That is a promise.

[zippy]

Dont forget to mention that the reason for that was not due to this thread only. You were bashing me for some unknown reason in others before this one. Just to clear that up, and I am done with you, unless it has to do with something worth talking about. Like 5A football discussions. Not playground crap.


okay here is what prompted the personal attack. The reason that I made that comment was to point out how foolish the one that I quoted was. I took that some people never learn was that Smithson Valley is always overlokked. The thing is that this was a Championship winning poll, not a long run in the playoffs poll. Smithson Valley will be overlooked until they win one and then if in a championship poll nobody mentions them someone can post what Zippy did.


then this followed

[dragonfootballfan]

Dont forget to mention that the reason for that was not due to this thread only. You were bashing me for some unknown reason in others before this one. Just to clear that up, and I am done with you, unless it has to do with something worth talking about. Like 5A football discussions. Not playground crap.
you keep saying that you are done, but you keep coming back. Why? When did I personally attack you on another thread that prompted the thread against me?

[singularity]

okay here is what prompted the personal attack. The reason that I made that comment was to point out how foolish the one that I quoted was. I took that some people never learn was that Smithson Valley is always overlokked. The thing is that this was a Championship winning poll, not a long run in the playoffs poll. Smithson Valley will be overlooked until they win one and then if in a championship poll nobody mentions them someone can post what Zippy did.

I catch your drift. If you are going to be formal, your right, this is a championship poll. I still understand where Zippy is coming from...its irratating to go that far so many times and not win. This does look like last years predictions all over again.
With all aside, who are you to say that SV won't. You above all should realize that is the wrong thing to say. Do you remember last year when SV was "going nowhere but home." They went all the way down the dragons throat and almost made the kill.

[singularity]

you keep saying that you are done, but you keep coming back. Why? When did I personally attack you on another thread that prompted the thread against me?
LOL...you are the little brother of this board. You live to bug the crap out of everyone. You try to get in peoples head. Cute....lol

[dragonfootballfan]

Do you remember last year when SV was "going nowhere but home." They went all the way down the dragons throat and almost made the kill.
but alas in the end they still went nowhere but home.

[singularity]

My point is they were a much greater contender than what they were predicted. Could be the same this year. You need to get past the arrogant statements so that you can see what this is really about. It is not about who is better. It is about who tends to be the greatest contenders.

[dragonfootballfan]

My point is they were a much greater contender than what they were predicted. Could be the same this year. You need to get past the arrogant statements so that you can see what this is really about. It is not about who is better. It is about who tends to be the greatest contenders.
Why were they a better contender? Who on the list of last year's probable champions that got more votes than them did they beat? That is what would make them a better contender right?

[singularity]

Why were they a better contender? Who on the list of last year's probable champions that got more votes than them did they beat? That is what would make them a better contender right?
A last second field goal tells me they were better contenders than they were predicted to be.

[dragonfootballfan]

A last second field goal tells me they were better contenders than they were predicted to be.
a loss makes a team a contender. I doubt that. The fact is the only team that Smithson Valley played that was listed as a contender was the team that they lost to.

[singularity]

a loss makes a team a contender. I doubt that. The fact is the only team that Smithson Valley played that was listed as a contender was the team that they lost to.
Did SLC blow out SV last year? Remind me who came closest to beating SLC.

[dragonfootballfan]

Did SLC blow out SV last year? Remind me who came closest to beating SLC.
Lufkin and Abilene both came closer to beating Carroll than Smithson Valley. You can have your moral victories, but I will take the real thing. Carroll did not blow out Smithson Valley, but does that make them better than all the other teams that Carroll played.

[singularity]

Lufkin and Abilene both came closer to beating Carroll than Smithson Valley. You can have your moral victories, but I will take the real thing. Carroll did not blow out Smithson Valley, but does that make them better than all the other teams that Carroll played.
SV had the closest margin of 3 points. It simply means that SV, Lufkin, SLC, and Abilene were all on the same level. on any given day one could have beat the other. Don't act like SLC would have one if they didn't get the last possession. It would have been SVs game then.

[zippy]

Go check the scores again buddy. SV was closer than anyone, cant get out of that no matter how hard you try. Its in the books.


Lufkin and Abilene both came closer to beating Carroll than Smithson Valley. You can have your moral victories, but I will take the real thing. Carroll did not blow out Smithson Valley, but does that make them better than all the other teams that Carroll played.

[singularity]

Go check the scores again buddy. SV was closer than anyone, cant get out of that no matter how hard you try. Its in the books.
Its as if he thinks that if he says it it must be right.

[LongviewLobo209]

But where will you move the game to? There is no other stadium convenient for both sides. I don't have a problem with moving it but I want the same atmosphere as last year and I think that if you move it the atmosphere will change.


BTW, thanks again for the tickets. I couldn't make my pops sit on that hill. LOL



Your welcome for the tickets, no problem at all.

I would really like to see the game played in the Cotton Bowl, although it seems highly unprobably. Historic stadium, for what will probbaly be a historic matchup. Also, it can hold the crowd size that we will need for Longview and Lufkin fans as well as other Metroplex people who will attend.

[TrojanHorse03]

Lufkin and Abilene both came closer to beating Carroll than Smithson Valley. You can have your moral victories, but I will take the real thing. Carroll did not blow out Smithson Valley, but does that make them better than all the other teams that Carroll played.

Well Slc got the victory either way, however thats a flat out lie that Abilene and Lufkin came closer. Thats the only team I saw that Carrol was trailing near the end of the game. But in the end Carrol defeated Smithson Valley.

[dragonfootballfan]

SV had the closest margin of 3 points. It simply means that SV, Lufkin, SLC, and Abilene were all on the same level. on any given day one could have beat the other. Don't act like SLC would have one if they didn't get the last possession. It would have been SVs game then.
closest does not mean what the final margin of victory was. Abilene had a pass picked off in the end zone. It is impossible to tell what would have happened if Carroll did not have the ball before time expired. If Smithson Valley had the ball last the game could have gone into overtime, won it, or Carroll could have scored a defensive touchdown. All those are possible

[dragonfootballfan]

Well Slc got the victory either way, however thats a flat out lie that Abilene and Lufkin came closer. Thats the only team I saw that Carrol was trailing near the end of the game. But in the end Carrol defeated Smithson Valley.
did you watch all three games. If you did you would see that Abilene and Lufkin had a better chance to beat Carroll than Smithson Valley did.

[dragonfootballfan]

Go check the scores again buddy. SV was closer than anyone, cant get out of that no matter how hard you try. Its in the books.
Closer does not mean margin of victory. Both Abilene and Lufkin came closer to beating Carroll than Smithson Valley did.

[TrojanHorse03]

I didnt even mention the margin of victory as a point. For the record I did mention this is moot anyways as Southlake one all 3 contests. However be honest dragonfootballfan u just don't want to admit that it was Smithson Vally who got the closest. Its okay nobody thought they were capable of that besides themselves, a credit to them. Its also okay because again SOUTHLAKE WON them all LAST year.

[dragonfootballfan]

I didnt even mention the margin of victory as a point. For the record I did mention this is moot anyways as Southlake one all 3 contests. However be honest dragonfootballfan u just don't want to admit that it was Smithson Vally who got the closest. Its okay nobody thought they were capable of that besides themselves, a credit to them. Its also okay because again SOUTHLAKE WON them all LAST year.
Abilene was one play away from winning. Smithson Valley was one play away from sending the game to overtime. Both times Carroll made a play, but if it hadn't happened Abilene would probably had won while Smithson Valley would have gone to overtime

[TrojanHorse03]

Abilene was one play away from winning. Smithson Valley was one play away from sending the game to overtime. Both times Carroll made a play, but if it hadn't happened Abilene would probably had won while Smithson Valley would have gone to overtime

Uh, didn't Ortega kick a field goal as time expired in the Smithson Valley game? :confused:

[singularity]

Uh, didn't Ortega kick a field goal as time expired in the Smithson Valley game? :confused:
Yeah he did.

[singularity]

Abilene was one play away from winning. Smithson Valley was one play away from sending the game to overtime. Both times Carroll made a play, but if it hadn't happened Abilene would probably had won while Smithson Valley would have gone to overtime
What team was tied with SLC up to the last seconds? That would be SV. Not Lufkin or Abilene. They both trailed coming into the last plays, so technically SV was closest to winning as they were one point from the win in the last drive.

[singularity]

The scores were as follows:

SLC 35-Abilene 30

SLC 37-Lufkin 30

SLC 27-SV 24

SV held SLC to 27. Thats lower than both Lufkin and Abilene. SV had superior defense and coaching to all 3 of these teams.

[KTTex]

Considering all that motivation, one out of 4 ain't bad....

1998 area - Katy 27 Madison 7
1999 area - Katy 38 Madison 14
2000 area - Katy 50 Madison 19
2001 area - Katy 21 Madison 40


That "1" out of 4 in 2001 was against the mighty Vince Young AND
Katy had the back up QB with less experience in due to starting QB
being injured.

[dragonfootballfan]

What team was tied with SLC up to the last seconds? That would be SV. Not Lufkin or Abilene. They both trailed coming into the last plays, so technically SV was closest to winning as they were one point from the win in the last drive.
I was at all three games. Were you? Have you seen all three games atleast in order to make a judgement? If Carroll did not make a play against Smithson Valley in the last seconds they would have gone to overtime. The same thing happened at Lufkin, but against Abilene if Carroll does not make a play Abilene wins.

[SuperBuffs]

Considering all that motivation, one out of 4 ain't bad....

1998 area - Katy 27 Madison 7
1999 area - Katy 38 Madison 14
2000 area - Katy 50 Madison 19
2001 area - Katy 21 Madison 40
I wished the inner city schools had the support and resources the Katy and Plano....the priviledge schools have, but you have to play with the cards you are dealt.

You need to dig a little deeper than that.....but I understand your point....however you helped prove mine....

Look at the years you used, as the African-American enrollment increases, your WON/LOSS RECORD IMPROVES.....deep a little deeper 1980-1990, FEWER BLACKS, FEWER WINS.

[Gtown2006]

i say we put garland in this poll

[Favpack]

I took the top 10 D2 teams straight from the top 25 pole.

Region 1 has 3 teams
Region 2 has 4 teams
Region 3 has 1 team
Region 4 has 2 teams

no surprise - 75% of the statewide strength is always D2, R1 and R2 -- we should start our own state champion ;)

[nate]

I wished the inner city schools had the support and resources the Katy and Plano....the priviledge schools have, but you have to play with the cards you are dealt.

You need to dig a little deeper than that.....but I understand your point....however you helped prove mine....

Look at the years you used, as the African-American enrollment increases, your WON/LOSS RECORD IMPROVES.....deep a little deeper 1980-1990, FEWER BLACKS, FEWER WINS.

What a complete joke. Were you at the state championship game in '94 between Katy and Plano. Neither team had an overwhelming number of African-American athletes. Plano romped that day with an extremely white team.

You may also forget that V. Young had Courtney Lewis to hand off to as well in the only year Madison has beaten Katy in recent history.

SuperBuffs, is your real name hbcu? I swear I've heard your propaganda somewhere before.

[dragonfootballfan]

i say we put garland in this poll
I think that the requirements for this poll are great. I will repost them in case you did not see them. There is an objective reason why Garland is not included, they were not just arbitrarily left out from the poll.

I took the top 10 D2 teams straight from the top 25 pole.

Region 1 has 3 teams
Region 2 has 4 teams
Region 3 has 1 team
Region 4 has 2 teams

[SuperBuffs]

What a complete joke. Were you at the state championship game in '94 between Katy and Plano. Neither team had an overwhelming number of African-American athletes. Plano romped that day with an extremely white team.

You may also forget that V. Young had Courtney Lewis to hand off to as well in the only year Madison has beaten Katy in recent history.

SuperBuffs, is your real name hbcu? I swear I've heard your propaganda somewhere before.

If it's true....that I am a complete joke...answer this.

1)What is the average income of Plano and Katy school district?

2)The African-Americans that you did see in '94, what positions were they playing?.....and finally...

3) What is the number of African-Americans playing for Katy and Plano today versus 1975?.....you notice anything?

I'm not mad, it's a good thing that these programs are perennial winners, but I don't have to be a "COMPLETE JOKE" for noticing the differences.

[DragonFan]

Ok, this is getting old and tiresome.

We do not need dragonfootballfan making remarks that are unbecoming of a champion. Being second is a horrible feeling when you are so close so many times. Ask the Minnisota Vikings, or the Buffalo Bills. SV is a class school that gave the Dragons more fight than any of the other teams did. Abilene was close but the experience of the Dragons won that game. Lufkin was close but the leadership and experience won that game as well. SV played a great game and took the Dragons down to the wire. In both the Abilene and Lufkin games, the dragons had outplayed the other team but did not finnish them off when they had the chance and allowed them to get back into the game. Against SV, the Dragons were made to pay for every yard and point that they gained. SV was the toughest game because it was not supposed to be as tough. I have nothing but respect for all three teams and feel blessed that SLC found ways to win all three

We also do not need to get into "Jimmy the Greek" type of comments about the ethnic make up of certain teams. I am glad that my kids are growing up almost color blind. Kids are kids and what use to be racial slurs are now attitudes that are displayed by kids of all races. There are Thugs, Pimps, rednecks and other lables that my kids reconize as an attitude not a racial thing. All us adults can learn a lot from our kids!

Now are we ready for some Playoffs!

[singularity]

I was at all three games. Were you? Have you seen all three games atleast in order to make a judgement? If Carroll did not make a play against Smithson Valley in the last seconds they would have gone to overtime. The same thing happened at Lufkin, but against Abilene if Carroll does not make a play Abilene wins.
Lufkin allowed a TD and had 3 chances to make one on there own. SV held them to a field goal and didnt have a chance to make one on there own. If SV had three chances, it would put them where Lufkin was. If they had blown all three chances, they still would have held Carrol to a FG rather than a TD which is closer than Lufkin. SV was closer without the last second attempts Lufkin had.


All three games came down to a play: A pick, a pass, a field goal. The only difference is the play came off the final drive of the game and SLC wasforced to kick a long field goal. SV lost by only three, not 5 or 7.

Again, Abilene and Lufkin both had there chances to win, but SLC shut them down. SV didn't have a last drive. From the way SV was playing in that game, I would put SV over SLC in overtime.

[dragonfootballfan]

SV didn't have a last drive. From the way SV was playing in that game, I would put SV over SLC in overtime.
go look up the stats for this game and tell me that you agree that Smithson Valley was playing better in what matters in the overtime system (offense and defense).

[singularity]

Ok, this is getting old and tiresome.

We do not need dragonfootballfan making remarks that are unbecoming of a champion. Being second is a horrible feeling when you are so close so many times. Ask the Minnisota Vikings, or the Buffalo Bills. SV is a class school that gave the Dragons more fight than any of the other teams did. Abilene was close but the experience of the Dragons won that game. Lufkin was close but the leadership and experience won that game as well. SV played a great game and took the Dragons down to the wire. In both the Abilene and Lufkin games, the dragons had outplayed the other team but did not finnish them off when they had the chance and allowed them to get back into the game. Against SV, the Dragons were made to pay for every yard and point that they gained. SV was the toughest game because it was not supposed to be as tough. I have nothing but respect for all three teams and feel blessed that SLC found ways to win all three.

Well thank you Dragonfan, I think your post summarizes exactly what I have been trying to say. Good luck to you and your team

[KT2000]

Guys, leave the racial debate out of the discussion. This is not the place for that. Take it to PM.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Who out of the top four on this poll gets knocked off first? What round does it happen? Who beats them? Is it an upset?

Who gets knocked off 2nd and 3rd?

[singularity]

1) Longview by Lufkin
2)Lufkin by SLC
3) Katy by SV

[Red Raiders]

If it's true....that I am a complete joke...answer this.

1)What is the average income of Plano and Katy school district?

2)The African-Americans that you did see in '94, what positions were they playing?.....and finally...

3) What is the number of African-Americans playing for Katy and Plano today versus 1975?.....you notice anything?

I'm not mad, it's a good thing that these programs are perennial winners, but I don't have to be a "COMPLETE JOKE" for noticing the differences.

I know your talking to someone else but the Average income for Plano Sr. High School is $71,485 for Median Household income for 34,,655 People in that Zip Code.

Katy High School is $86,488 with 11,505 People in their Zip Code.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

1) Longview by Lufkin
2)Lufkin by SLC
3) Katy by SV

You you don't have any one getting knocked off earlier than that?
Are you predicting Sv vs Lufkin for the title?

I really think 1 of these four get knocked off early in an upset.

[HUM398]

If it's true....that I am a complete joke...answer this.

1)What is the average income of Plano and Katy school district?

2)The African-Americans that you did see in '94, what positions were they playing?.....and finally...

3) What is the number of African-Americans playing for Katy and Plano today versus 1975?.....you notice anything?

I'm not mad, it's a good thing that these programs are perennial winners, but I don't have to be a "COMPLETE JOKE" for noticing the differences.


The woodlands seem to do fine without African american students and so does SLC...

[singularity]

You you don't have any one getting knocked off earlier than that?
Are you predicting Sv vs Lufkin for the title?

I really think 1 of these four get knocked off early in an upset.
I don't see any upsets happening. I think it will be like the last few years with SV, Katy, SLC, and Lufkin being area finalists. I see SLC barely beating Lufkin again. I would like SV to beat Katy so they can have another shot at the Dragons. I think SV vs. Katy would be a close one going either way at this point. Only time will tell.

[singularity]

Maybe Longview or Lufkin will lose to Cove or Carter round 4.

SLC could get beat in round 1 by Imac, round 3 by Abilene, or Plano in round 4.

I don't think anyone will compete with Katy until the semis.

[KTHoC]

Longview over Lufkin round 3
SLC over Plano round 4
Longview over SLC round 5
Katy over SV round 5
Longview vs Katy in final
Katy wins!!
GOOOOOO TIGERS!!!!

[ruffshod]

The woodlands seem to do fine without African american students and so does SLC...


what about the woodlands RB?

[drgnbkr]

Maybe Longview or Lufkin will lose to Cove or Carter round 4.

SLC could get beat in round 1 by Imac, round 3 by Abilene, or Plano in round 4.

I don't think anyone will compete with Katy until the semis.

As regarding Carroll...No, possibly & No....

[singularity]

As regarding Carroll...No, possibly & No....
More like less possible, more possible, less possible

[dragons08]

my heart wants carroll, my brain says carroll..who would of thunk it?

[ktCarl]

I wished the inner city schools had the support and resources the Katy and Plano....the priviledge schools have, but you have to play with the cards you are dealt.

You need to dig a little deeper than that.....but I understand your point....however you helped prove mine....

Look at the years you used, as the African-American enrollment increases, your WON/LOSS RECORD IMPROVES.....deep a little deeper 1980-1990, FEWER BLACKS, FEWER WINS.

Put on your dunce cap and go to the back corner of the class.

[Humblefied]

Why isn't Humble on the list. lol, just kidding.

[Humblefied]

Do you think these polls are slightly biased because of the enormous amount of katy fans on this site? Just a question.

[Shoot2thrill]

Do you think these polls are slightly biased because of the enormous amount of katy fans on this site? Just a question.

Absolutely. And the same can be said of the number of SLC fans. :eek:

[zippy]

of course, but its expected. However, I will say they are going to make a good run this year. They might win it all again too...

Do you think these polls are slightly biased because of the enormous amount of katy fans on this site? Just a question.

[dragonfootballfan]

Do you think these polls are slightly biased because of the enormous amount of katy fans on this site? Just a question.
yes but I also doubt that there are 40+ Carroll fans and 50+ Katy fans

[TrojanHorse03]

Ok, this is getting old and tiresome.

We do not need dragonfootballfan making remarks that are unbecoming of a champion. Being second is a horrible feeling when you are so close so many times. Ask the Minnisota Vikings, or the Buffalo Bills. SV is a class school that gave the Dragons more fight than any of the other teams did. Abilene was close but the experience of the Dragons won that game. Lufkin was close but the leadership and experience won that game as well. SV played a great game and took the Dragons down to the wire. In both the Abilene and Lufkin games, the dragons had outplayed the other team but did not finnish them off when they had the chance and allowed them to get back into the game. Against SV, the Dragons were made to pay for every yard and point that they gained. SV was the toughest game because it was not supposed to be as tough. I have nothing but respect for all three teams and feel blessed that SLC found ways to win all three

We also do not need to get into "Jimmy the Greek" type of comments about the ethnic make up of certain teams. I am glad that my kids are growing up almost color blind. Kids are kids and what use to be racial slurs are now attitudes that are displayed by kids of all races. There are Thugs, Pimps, rednecks and other lables that my kids reconize as an attitude not a racial thing. All us adults can learn a lot from our kids!

Now are we ready for some Playoffs!

In the midst in all the immaturity this is one of the best posts in a long time.

[TrojanHorse03]

Do you think these polls are slightly biased because of the enormous amount of katy fans on this site? Just a question.

Nope, simply click on the numbers to c who all voted for who, itll be quite a surprise. Shoot this is possibly Katy's best team and ever, and the admins still picked Slc, lol

[Jtate862003]

As a community veteran dating back to the old site...i have seen alot of stupid posts but this thread tops them all HUM, Dragon Fan yall need to drop it.........Life isnt fair......it doesnt matter if you have white black orange pink or purple people on your team if your team is not meant to win state taht year or go to the playoffs taht year or even win a game that year then it will not happen no matter what.......so get back to the original point of this thread which team has it in division 2...........

My pick Longview......wins it alll

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Almost 200 voters. I'm sure polls have attracked these numbers before right? I
thought that after everyone voted for their own team, things would be even. There is still a lot of that going on. I figured that instead of a pole voting for your own team, we might get better results if we voted on a loser instead of a winner. So I created the other thread. I just used the 4 leaders in this pole.

[BigWhiteJake]

well katy is getting votes based on the fact they have an easier road to state, I picked Katy, I wouldnt say KAty could beat SLC, but SLC will have to play the likes on plano or south grand prarie, and lufkin longview copperas cove or DC, basically they can't have an off week, and Katy doesnt have to play good until Schertz or valley...

[SmilinTiger]

well katy is getting votes based on the fact they have an easier road to state, I picked Katy, I wouldnt say KAty could beat SLC, but SLC will have to play the likes on plano or south grand prarie, and lufkin longview copperas cove or DC, basically they can't have an off week, and Katy doesnt have to play good until Schertz or valley...

That's a rediculous statement. You have to play good every week or you can be beat. There is no easy road to state. And then you have to win when you get there, regardless of the road you took. And Katy has proven time and again they have the ability to get that done.

[dragonfootballfan]

That's a rediculous statement. You have to play good every week or you can be beat. There is no easy road to state. And then you have to win when you get there, regardless of the road you took. And Katy has proven time and again they have the ability to get that done.
Look at the first post of this thread and then tell me that Katy does not have the easiest road to state.

[pack0808]

Look at the first post of this thread and then tell me that Katy does not have the easiest road to state.



Katy is a great team as we all know and would have a shot at in any bracket but it is very clear that they have a much easier road then a Lufkin, SLC, or a Longview. That side of the bracket is just ridiculously loaded. In the region 2 bracket alone there is 4 10-0 teams and 2 9-1 teams. :eek: Not a knock against Katy but it is hard to deny that they do not have an easier road then some of the other top 5 teams in div2.

[KT2000]

Region 2, Division 2 is the toughest bracket overall in my opinion. The fact that I had to label a 9-1 Leander team as a darkhorse in the Region should be evidence enough of that.

[rellufnalla]

Late tomorrow night, half of us will be licking our wounds. The other half will still be in the running.

Either way, I am gonna enjoy some football, then go drink some beer and hang with close friends. It's Texas high school football at its best.

Thank God I live in Texas.

[TrojanHorse03]

Texas High School Football Playoffs- The Original Survivor. There Can Only Be Two :d

[TrojanHorse03]

Look at the first post of this thread and then tell me that Katy does not have the easiest road to state.

I think the more correct statement is on paper Katy has an easier road to state. Even a 5-5 tema can get hot ;) once they realize that every team that has made it to the playoffs is essentially 0-0 and control their own destinies.

[BigWhiteJake]

There are certainly comparitively easy roads to state. How is playing Clements, Nimitz, Madison, Marshall, and Schertz Clemens even comprable to playing the likes of Abilene, Lufkin or Longview, South Grand Prarie or Plano, or even Midland for that matter? Its not a knock on any one team, there have been years where Reg 3 was the hardest, or division 1 for that matter. My point is answering the question of why do I pick a team thats worse than a team I dont pick to be in the state championship, the answer is simple and obvious, they play weaker teams...you would not see 60+ votes by Katy if they were in Region II D2

[Drake]

Okay, since MY team isn't a choice, I'm just going to wait a 3 or 4 weeks before voting... :D

[KatyTigerDad0407]

The poll closes before round 3. Also, of these top 10 teams, Katy does not face a single 1 till it's almost over.

[pack0808]

I think the more correct statement is on paper Katy has an easier road to state. Even a 5-5 tema can get hot ;) once they realize that every team that has made it to the playoffs is essentially 0-0 and control their own destinies.


Well region 2 would not know what it is like if a .500 type team got hot, because those types will get destroyed by a top 10 team that is 10-0 very early in our region. ;) Show me how many 5-5 teams make it to the state semis?? Not many i promise you!! Either way, Katy is a top 5 type team and they just play who is in front of them. They do not make up the brackets.

[PantherStang84]

Okay, since MY team isn't a choice

There's a reason for that you know.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Have you voted? Make sure to vote.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Shertz Clements and Longview are Gone. Is that right? Also Will the top 25 poll change?

[BigWhiteJake]

sure TrojanHorse, that is a better way to say what I meant...

[ktchamp97]

Shertz Clements and Longview are Gone. Is that right? Also Will the top 25 poll change?

No. The rankings are only there to try and give an idea of the best teams in the state when there's no tangible way to compare them. The playoffs are the ultimate test, and the real teams will survive and be there in the end.

[zippy]

Well there are now 25 votes that need to go somewhere. LV is out, and look how many votes they got...

[KTHoC]

Either way, Katy is a top 5 type team and they just play who is in front of them. They do not make up the brackets.
Thanks pack0808! The brackets are what they are. The difficulty in each region, each division changes every year. You still have to beat whichever team is next in your bracket. If you don't make it thru your RI or RII bracket you won't get the chance to beat the winner of the WEAKER RIII or RIV brackets!

"Well there are now 25 votes that need to go somewhere. LV is out, and look how many votes they got..."

The votes are their votes. If their team lost the votes are void. No need to move them to whichever teams are left. You are either right or wrong!

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Well there are now 25 votes that need to go somewhere. LV is out, and look how many votes they got...

As well as Shertz. 2 top 10 d2 teams knocked off.

[mad_fan]

I am waiting to vote when SA Madison is in the poll :D

[KTFURB]

SuperBuff... the % of Blacks on the Katy squad is irrelevent to their success. Success at Katy is spelled Johnston and Joseph. The program was nothing until they came and rebuilt it.

[zippy]

Yea, but they only had 5 votes. The other team was in the top %..


As well as Shertz. 2 top 10 d2 teams knocked off.

[zippy]

Where is this post about black players? Did someone delete it?


SuperBuff... the % of Blacks on the Katy squad is irrelevent to their success. Success at Katy is spelled Johnston and Joseph. The program was nothing until they came and rebuilt it.

[zippy]

Nevermind, found it.


SuperBuff... the % of Blacks on the Katy squad is irrelevent to their success. Success at Katy is spelled Johnston and Joseph. The program was nothing until they came and rebuilt it.

[KTFURB]

Good observation by Trojan Horse that this may be Katy's best team ever. Right now, the 2000 team gets my nod for that distinction, but this squad has the most explosive offense they've had. The 03 team that beat SLC, even with James Aston, was the weakest of the three. They were able to win the SLC game by playing ball control and keepiing the Dragon offense off the field. If this years team gets to the finals and plays SLC the game will probably have a whole different complexion. Whose defense can make enough big plays to allow the offense to outscore the other.
As a Katy fan, I'm hoping for a rematch with Smithson Valley in the semis. On paper the don't appear formidable, but on the field they are fundamentally excellent and extremely well coached. The year they beat Katy, was the first time I ever witnessed a Johnston coached Katy team lose to what I considered an inferior opponent. (thats not a slam at you SV guys. It's a compliment to your coaching staff) We are accustomed to beating more athletic teams than ourselves and you guys did that to us.
To Humble guy...IMO you all are the best team we've played this year and deserve consideration to pull an upset. The program as a whole has to get over the underachiever hump thats dogged you for 10-15 years. Many great athletes have gone through the program, but theres been little success after district.
Hey Carl...greetings from Slidell. Saw a bi-district game here Friday night. Slidell rolls over So. LaFourche 28-3. Nice atmosphere but the crowd was about like a 3A game.

[ktCarl]

Glad to see your still breathing Texas High School Football while in LA. I saw your lovely wife at the Alief Taylor game but missed you. I'll miss your companionship this season but I have hooked up with a bunch of Katy fan-atics and am having the time of my life. Take care and don't get too fat from all that Creole cooking!!

[BigWhiteJake]

97 and 98 were katy's two best teams for starting lineups, 2000 was by far the best for overall team depth. this year we can pretty much compare to the 2003 team as far as talent goes, and with the schedule we play in the playoffs thats no reason for us not to be back playing southlake for state

[Favpack]

If I weren't a Lufkin fan - I think I point to CCove as a good dark horse right now - they are definitely for real.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Only 247 have voted. Only 9 days left before the poll close.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Get your vote in if you haven't voted. The poll closes in 6 Days.

[ALLIN]

Having seen all three of these teams in the order that we played them last year, I will say that the order they should be in according to the best team we faced would be:
Abilene, Lufkin, and then SV (Abilene being the best); imho, we played horribly in the SV game

I was at all three games. Were you? Have you seen all three games atleast in order to make a judgement? If Carroll did not make a play against Smithson Valley in the last seconds they would have gone to overtime. The same thing happened at Lufkin, but against Abilene if Carroll does not make a play Abilene wins.

[singularity]

You "played horrible" because SV exploits there opponents weaknesses. SLC payed to there normal standards. SV just did what it took to make the most of the few SLC mistakes.

[dragonfootballfan]

You "played horrible" because SV exploits there opponents weaknesses. SLC payed to there normal standards. SV just did what it took to make the most of the few SLC mistakes.
believe what you want to believe

[singularity]

So its fair to say that the "National Champions" played to there potential every game including the 5 playoff games, two of which were against fantastic teams, and when they played SV, they played down. It sounds to me like a few dragon fans aren't willing to admit that SV was just as good as Lufkin, Abilene, and SLC last year

[dragonfootballfan]

So its fair to say that the "National Champions" played to there potential every game including the 5 playoff games, two of which were against fantastic teams, and when they played SV, they played down. It sounds to me like a few dragon fans aren't willing to admit that SV was just as good as Lufkin, Abilene, and SLC last year
SV is not as good as Lufkin nor Abilene, this year or last

[singularity]

I don't know about this year, but SV sure as hell proved it last with there performance in the championship.

[dragonfootballfan]

So its fair to say that the "National Champions" played to there potential every game including the 5 playoff games, two of which were against fantastic teams, and when they played SV, they played down. It sounds to me like a few dragon fans aren't willing to admit that SV was just as good as Lufkin, Abilene, and SLC last year
Against Abilene they played down as well. That game was close to a blowout. Most people don't remember when Daniel over threw a ball that would have scored a touchdown and essentially sealed the game and it was incomplete. Against Lufkin, in the first half they played some of the best football they played all season and in the second half they did not play as good as they should. Against Smithson Valley, Carroll played very uncharacteristically almost the entire time.

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't know about this year, but SV sure as hell proved it last with there performance in the championship.
again, believe what you want to believe

[singularity]

If they didn't play to there potential in the playoffs, then they really shouldn't have been the national champs.

I think its the other way around though. I think as soon as they started playing better teams, they looked worse than they had when they were blowing everyone else out. They were still playing to the national champ potential, there were just 3 comparable teams along the way. I think they proved they were national champs by beating SV, Lufkin, and Abilene who, with there defenses, made the elite SLC offenese look less than they were accustomed to looking.

[dragonfootballfan]

If they didn't play to there potential in the playoffs, then they really shouldn't have been the national champs.

I think its the other way around though. I think as soon as they started playing better teams, they looked worse than they had when they were blowing everyone else out. They were still playing to the national champ potential, there were just 3 comparable teams along the way. I think they proved they were national champs by beating SV, Lufkin, and Abilene who, with there defenses, made the elite SLC offenese look less than they were accustomed to looking.
wouldn't beating those great teams while not playing to their full potential be an even better reason to make them National Champs? I mean if you are beating great teams when you are not playing your best think about what you could do when you are doing your best

[singularity]

You would think that with how none of the teams SLC played were nationally ranked, the national poll would put someone who was playing to there potential as #1. I don't think a team would be #1 if they weren't playing to there potential. Last years team wasn't the greatest team of all time. I do believe they were playing to there potential. I simply think that the 3 teams that we are speaking of should have been nationally ranked.

[PACK '97]

wouldn't beating those great teams while not playing to their full potential be an even better reason to make them National Champs? I mean if you are beating great teams when you are not playing your best think about what you could do when you are doing your best


wouldnt beating lufkin in the first half while hearing our play calls denote your national championship?...lol..just messing w/ SLC (but, wouldnt you think somethings up after being up 27-9 at half, then winning 37-30?...seems fishy, right?)

[dragonfootballfan]

wouldnt beating lufkin in the first half while hearing our play calls denote your national championship?...lol..just messing w/ SLC (but, wouldnt you think somethings up after being up 27-9 at half, then winning 37-30?...seems fishy, right?)
its called a comeback. It happens all the time. I am sure the oliers cheated against the bills for the first half of their game too.

[PACK '97]

its called a comeback. It happens all the time. I am sure the oliers cheated against the bills for the first half of their game too.

i was just having fun a friday, that's all....man, i would love to play SLC again. Cant beat the atmosphere or the fans

[dragonfootballfan]

i was just having fun a friday, that's all....man, i would love to play SLC again. Cant beat the atmosphere or the fans
same goes to Lufkin. Both teams need to take care of business because these have been the greatest games the past few years. The Lufkin fans are great

[Tut]

How come Longview is stuck on 25 votes? Aren't there any aggies around? :D

[PACK '97]

How come Longview is stuck on 25 votes? Aren't there any aggies around? :D

they dont want to waste their vote

[Red Raiders]

Wow.... I will have to say this again, Katy been voted the most because I see alot of Katy Fans Period...

[mad_fan]

I think Madison should get Clemens votes! :D

[KatyTigerDad0407]

3 Days left before the poll closes.

[AmerBear]

Why is Longview...and Carter on this Poll??

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I set the pole up before the playoffs to expire after the second round.

[dragonfootballfan]

I have done a little research and tried to eliminate all of the homer picks from the poll. If I have left you off the list or mistakenly put you on the list please tell me.

Carroll - 22 - allendad, AllenEagle06, AmerBear, BigWhiteJake, heightsboy77, Humblefied, LH05, LionVarsityCheer, NewSherriffInTown, Nv8der, old football fan, PaulinPlano, rancher52, Reaganrattler07, Red Raiders, SeguinMatadors, sltnusmc, StormingCowboy, Strakeiscute, swgc06, thegreatsebabo, westlakefootball

Lufkin - 11 - Consol Tiger, cyfallsbooster, dwg71, fballphenome127, garland04, oldmanwoodlandsfan, RAB-07, Redneckn, scooter!, TheDuke, travisk44, Willieg

Katy - 29- AGDAD, Alamo_Mojo, baylordad, BigtimeO-line, Brant_Scott_76, cougardude, CyFallsMom, dwistheman, Ex Buff, fbjones, GarlandOwl06, Git R Done, GoRangers, go_hawgs_04, GRP05, Living Legend, nate, Northshore Stang Parent06, nsmustangbacker, Oiler1, planoeast, pth, rich_pack, ruffshod, Texas Bob, texasmedic, too playa, Trinity Trojan Fan For Li, westfieldfan23

Longview - 14- AHS Mustangs, btrain1938, dentonRYAN, GOBIGIKE#1, gtownowlfootball06, Haysrebels#1, Joboots, Jtate862003, KLH75287, mesquitefan, Pack88, raidercheerdad, TrojanHorse03, unbiasedobserver

Copperas Cove - 0

Shertz Clemens - 1 - North Shore Mustang

Dallas Carter - 0

Abilene - 3 - ameiurus, gritty52, Weber

Smithson Valley - 4 - lonny23, maverick#23, Pantherfan12, samavsfan23,

[KatyTigerDad0407]

That's a lot of work there. Since you are good at what you do, try setting up another pole and listing only the mascot names. It seems more interesting that way. There are some duplicates though.

[Maroon Cathead]

I'm a Plano fan but had to vote for the defending state champions, Southlake Carroll.

They have the title, it's theirs to lose.

[TrojanFan4Life]

Do you think people are just voting for their own team or do you think it has any legitimacy? I would think being a top 10 D2 team that voting would be more even, but it seems really one sided between 2 schools.


I'm not a D2 school - voted for Katy to take it all the way - they are pounding their opponents - good luck!!!!!

[KatyTigerDad0407]

1 and 1/2 days left to vote.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Who would have thought after 2 rounds that 3 of theses teams would be gone. I am real impressed with 279 voters. There is 26 hours left before the poll closes for good.

[JC73]

wouldn't beating those great teams while not playing to their full potential be an even better reason to make them National Champs? I mean if you are beating great teams when you are not playing your best think about what you could do when you are doing your best

You mean mythical national champs. There is no official high school national champion.

[dragonfootballfan]

You mean mythical national champs. There is no official high school national champion.
go back and read that post. It was in response to another one that claimed Carroll should not have been national champs.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

The poll closes in less than 2 hours. 280 votes is tremendous.

[AmerBear]

Where is Dallas White?!?!

The will be at home, digesting their turkey dinner!

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I know the poll has been closed for a while. I wanted to bring it back up because the final 4 in D2 are mainly who recieved the most votes; with the exception of Longview.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

The top 2 teams with the most votes go at it in less than 10 hours for the championship.