Top Ten coaches? Whos the best?

[Svbigman]

Give me your top ten schools of schools who have the best coaches!

Mine
1. SV
2. SLC
3. KATY
4. ABILENE
5. JUDSON
6. AUSTIN WESTLAKE
7. LUFKIN
8. SPRING WESTFIELD
9. EULESS TRINITY
10. CLEAR LAKE

[Redneckn]

1: United Laredo South
10: SLC
2: Lufkin
3: That trashy fella from Garland.
7: Judson
9: ET
4: AustinWestlake
6: DallasCarter
8: Temple
5: JohnTyler

[SeguinMatadors]

Worst coach, Bubbacoach.

Haha, jk. :p

[zippy]

SV, no way around it. I can type till my hands are blue on why that is, but its late. Will not go with the other 9, cause I just dont know enough about them. However there are no faults in SV's that I have seen, and its the #1 reason I still make trips to see them play. Perfect philosophy in every aspect of the game, and job.

[lonny23]

1: United Laredo South
10: SLC
2: Lufkin
3: That trashy fella from Garland.
7: Judson
9: ET
4: AustinWestlake
6: DallasCarter
8: Temple
5: JohnTyler
Wouldn't that be something if he was the next Bill Walsh and he had a Special Olympics team! :D

[lonny23]

Worst coach, Bubbacoach.

Haha, jk. :p
I like Bubba, but I'll say...

GOOD JOB! :p

[LongviewLobo209]

No specific order

Longview
SLC
Lufkin
Katy
Smithson Valley
Judson
Tyler Lee
Austin Westlake
North Shore
Westfield

[Mr_Lucci]

1. The fact that Judson usually fields a team with little to no Div. 1 prospects and still wins state (02) and makes the state semi finals (04) I would have to say Judson has the best staff hands down. When D.W. was still around there was no question as to who had the best coaching staff.

2. KATY
3. SMITHSON VALLEY
4. AUSTIN WESTLAKE
5. NORTH SHORE
6. SLC
7. ABILENE
8. LUFKIN
9. SPRING WESTFIELD
10.EULESS TRINITY

[lonny23]

1. The fact that Judson usually fields a team with little to no Div. 1 prospects and still wins state (02) and makes the state semi finals (04) I would have to say Judson has the best staff hands down. When D.W. was still around there was no question as to who had the best coaching staff.

2. KATY
3. SMITHSON VALLEY
4. AUSTIN WESTLAKE
5. NORTH SHORE
6. SLC
7. ABILENE
8. LUFKIN
9. SPRING WESTFIELD
10.EULESS TRINITY
Judson had 4 state-title winning 5A coaches on the staff at the same time:

Frank Arnold
D.W. Rutledge
Dennis Parker
Jim Rackley

When you throw in guys like Padron, Gibbens, and Jeter, you've had an all-star cast for a coaching staff. I say they've been the best over the years, too. I haven't been around to judge if they have the best staff this year or not.

[lonny24]

No Order...
SV
SLC
GARLAND
HIGHLAND PARK
NS
WESTFIELD
KATY
COPPERAS COVE
PEARLAND
ABILENE

[CLFalcon2006]

Give me your top ten schools of schools who have the best coaches!

Mine
1. SV
2. SLC
3. KATY
4. ABILENE
5. JUDSON
6. AUSTIN WESTLAKE
7. LUFKIN
8. SPRING WESTFIELD
9. EULESS TRINITY
10. CLEAR LAKE

Did you just say Clear Lake!!!!

I saw every game this year and while Aduddel might have been the best coach last year, he certainly isn't the best coach this year. He left a qb in all year that blew 6 games on a last drive with a fumble. He had 32 fumbles on the year and i think like 10 interceptions. Also said QB was getting worse as the year progressed. Aduddel had a chance all season to put in a much better option QB that was a back up but he refused to and he quit leaving us with nothing.

[dragonfootballfan]

SV, no way around it. I can type till my hands are blue on why that is, but its late. Will not go with the other 9, cause I just dont know enough about them. However there are no faults in SV's that I have seen, and its the #1 reason I still make trips to see them play. Perfect philosophy in every aspect of the game, and job.
how can you say that someone is better than someone else without knowing the competition? this statement seems hypocritical to me

[BigArab]

In no order

SLC
SV
Westfield
North Shore
Dallas Carter
Longview
Lufkin
John Tyler
Schertz Clemens
Converse Judson

You have to give Longview credit. They manage to do more with 9 coaches than most do with 16-20.

I've always liked what Allen Wilson did with his teams. Wherever he is will have one of the most dangerous running games and runningback tandems in the state.

[03mustangwideout]

Is this top 10 active coaches or both???

[SLCDad]

1. The fact that Judson usually fields a team with little to no Div. 1 prospects and still wins state (02) and makes the state semi finals (04) I would have to say Judson has the best staff hands down. When D.W. was still around there was no question as to who had the best coaching staff.Since Judson is one of the largest schools in Texas and therefore has a huge talent pool, wouldn't the coaching have something to do with not having lots of D1 prospects? Don't you think good coaching is much of the reason why some schools have many D1 prospects? Lufkin would be a good example of this.

[RyanOline]

what about Coach Florence
Denton Ryan has won the most Playoff games in the last 5 years than any other team thats gotta count for something

[toonman]

Does not this question depend on what we mean by the "Best". What measurement or criteria is being used. There are a number I can think of;

1). Turns a program around
2). State championship appearances/wins
3). Most Division 1 recruits
4). Creates genuine innovation in the game
5). Had the job the longest
6). Been successful at multi levels - 3a, 4a, 5a
7). Had success at a number of schools
8). Coaches other sports
9). A mentor in all aspects of a player’s life, not just football
10). Multi consecutive wining seasons

If we define the parameters, we can define the Top 10, rather than just voting for your own school's coach.

[zippy]

Do you go to all the Dragon football games? How do you get the information about other coaches? I spend time behind the scenes and know how things are ran at SV. I did not list an order, because I dont know the exact way people run other programs. Based on the philosophy, and the way Hill runs his program, its the best in my mind. He also has a record that any coach would love to have. Nobody here knows 10 coaches perfect, and neither do I, so I do not think I could list them based on what I know about them (seen a few games, literature, word of mouth). He is also the president-elect of THSCA, so I assume his peers thinks he is a good coach as well.


how can you say that someone is better than someone else without knowing the competition? this statement seems hypocritical to me

[dragonfootballfan]

Do you go to all the Dragon football games? How do you get the information about other coaches? I spend time behind the scenes and know how things are ran at SV. I did not list an order, because I dont know the exact way people run other programs. Based on the philosophy, and the way Hill runs his program, its the best in my mind. He also has a record that any coach would love to have. Nobody here knows 10 coaches perfect, and neither do I, so I do not think I could list them based on what I know about them (seen a few games, literature, word of mouth). He is also the president-elect of THSCA, so I assume his peers thinks he is a good coach as well.
I don't go to all the Dragon football games. Sometimes I have to miss a few a season.

I will ask a question again. How can you possibly say that coach A is better than coach B and then say that you do not know anything about coach B?

[GoRangers]

Do you go to all the Dragon football games? How do you get the information about other coaches? I spend time behind the scenes and know how things are ran at SV. I did not list an order, because I dont know the exact way people run other programs. Based on the philosophy, and the way Hill runs his program, its the best in my mind. He also has a record that any coach would love to have. Nobody here knows 10 coaches perfect, and neither do I, so I do not think I could list them based on what I know about them (seen a few games, literature, word of mouth). He is also the president-elect of THSCA, so I assume his peers thinks he is a good coach as well.

I agree with your pick, but I'm sure you could list other coaches you were at least impressed by. For example, I'd say Brian Dausin at SA Warren. He had a state title at SA Roosevelt in '95 and took Marshall deep in the playoffs after leaving there. He took over at the new Warren High School and is starting to build that program up as well.

[dragonsdaddy]

these threads aren't meant to be objective. they are by definition a beauty pageant, and thus open for subjective debate.

[PantherFan70]

Does not this question depend on what we mean by the "Best". What measurement or criteria is being used. There are a number I can think of;

1). Turns a program around
2). State championship appearances/wins
3). Most Division 1 recruits
4). Creates genuine innovation in the game
5). Had the job the longest
6). Been successful at multi levels - 3a, 4a, 5a
7). Had success at a number of schools
8). Coaches other sports
9). A mentor in all aspects of a player’s life, not just football
10). Multi consecutive wining seasons

If we define the parameters, we can define the Top 10, rather than just voting for your own school's coach.

Coach Danny Padron meets requirements 1,4,5,7,9,10,2 as an assistant. 7out of 10 of those isn't bad, I'd say he is a pretty good coach, and not just because he is at my own school.

[singularity]

As far as coaches go, SV & SLC are close. If I had to compare the teams and make a statement about the similarities and differences it would be: SLC is like SV with talent. That should tell you what I think about Larry Hill. Forget the fact that he is SVs coach. Put him anywhere, and he will put the worst in the playoffs, and the mediocre in the state championship game. If he had talent to mach his, he would be unstoppable.

[singularity]

Like zippy said, Hill has perfecy philosophy, and his staff mirrors it. There are no holes in this coaching armor. SVs weaknesses are with its players.

[singularity]

I don't go to all the Dragon football games. Sometimes I have to miss a few a season.

I will ask a question again. How can you possibly say that coach A is better than coach B and then say that you do not know anything about coach B?
I can say that I haven't heard of anyone achieving what Hill has lately. That is why I wouldn't go in depth about it. Show me someone who has done what he has, and then I might question how good Hill is compared to others.

I am not saying that Katy, SLC, Lufkin, Judson, and many others have stellar staffs. I am saying that they haven't achieved what Hill has. Hills performance at SV is like teaching a mentally handicapped kid how to do calculus.

If I were to compare staffs, Judson and SV very similar.

Judson is probably my second favorite team for this reason.

Coaching makes this game for me. Without it, it would be like watching NFL. All about the players.

[dragonfootballfan]

I can say that I haven't heard of anyone achieving what Hill has lately. That is why I wouldn't go in depth about it. Show me someone who has done what he has, and then I might question how good Hill is compared to others.

I am not saying that Katy, SLC, Lufkin, Judson, and many others have stellar staffs. I am saying that they haven't achieved what Hill has. Hills performance at SV is like teaching a mentally handicapped kid how to do calculus.

If I were to compare staffs, Judson and
so the analogy is

Smithson Valley:Football::Mentally Challenged Kid:Calculus

I find that hard to believe that the kids at Smithson Valley are as unathletic as their supporters claim they are.

[singularity]

so the analogy is

Smithson Valley:Football::Mentally Challenged Kid:Calculus

I find that hard to believe that the kids at Smithson Valley are as unathletic as their supporters claim they are.
Funny but not quite. The mentally challenged kid is SV football before Hill. They couldn't add or subtract. Once Hill got a hold of them, they progressed until now, where they are consistently at the top level of High School football...thus calculus being the top level of math in high school.

They aren't physically challenged, but they have no superstars there.

[singularity]

More like:
Pre-Hill:Hill::Arithmatic:Calculus

[pack0808]

1: United Laredo South
10: SLC
2: Lufkin
3: That trashy fella from Garland.
7: Judson
9: ET
4: AustinWestlake
6: DallasCarter
8: Temple
5: JohnTyler


LMAO you kill me sometimes. :D My vote goes to Laredo Untied South coach also. ;)

[CL2006]

Did you just say Clear Lake!!!!

I saw every game this year and while Aduddel might have been the best coach last year, he certainly isn't the best coach this year. He left a qb in all year that blew 6 games on a last drive with a fumble. He had 32 fumbles on the year and i think like 10 interceptions. Also said QB was getting worse as the year progressed. Aduddel had a chance all season to put in a much better option QB that was a back up but he refused to and he quit leaving us with nothing.

CLFalcon2006- Let's remember that this is a young team and they have next year. If you want to compare Scotty and co. from 2003 in their first year, here's how it goes: 2003 - 21 fumbles, 10 TD's, and 3 int. 2005 - 19 fumbles, 11 TD's, and 10 int. (because of more passing attempts). Give this quarterback some credit. They did try a new quarterback and look what happened, had to go to Gilmer. And what drives he put together. The one who quit could not have got the job done anyways. Didn't understand the plays. Stop blaming the qb for all of the mistakes, there was plenty of those to go around.

[bubbacoach]

Worst coach, Bubbacoach.

Haha, jk. :p
I have a State ring as a coach. That is one more than all of Seguin. Who is laughing now?

[lonny23]

I can say that I haven't heard of anyone achieving what Hill has lately. That is why I wouldn't go in depth about it. Show me someone who has done what he has, and then I might question how good Hill is compared to others.

I am not saying that Katy, SLC, Lufkin, Judson, and many others have stellar staffs. I am saying that they haven't achieved what Hill has. Hills performance at SV is like teaching a mentally handicapped kid how to do calculus.

If I were to compare staffs, Judson and SV very similar.

Judson is probably my second favorite team for this reason.

Coaching makes this game for me. Without it, it would be like watching NFL. All about the players.
In that case, San Marcos could use his help! :p

[SLCDad]

. . . I am not saying that Katy, SLC, Lufkin, Judson, and many others have stellar staffs. I am saying that they haven't achieved what Hill has. Hills performance at SV is like teaching a mentally handicapped kid how to do calculus.Total stupidity. That's insulting to the SV players, fans and the entire area. You think that the SV students/players somehow have less potential or less ability/talent than other places? You think the other teams have some kind of advantage? No way.

[Redneckn]

LMAO you kill me sometimes. :D My vote goes to Laredo Untied South coach also. ;)


Is killing you sometimes like Kenny getting killed every week (except once) on Southpark?

Any team that goes 0-9 really does have nothing to lose.. I would be afraid to play that team in the 10th game.. They could be all like "rules? we dont need no stinking rules!"
I kind of like wearing the LaredoUnitedSouth colors and stuff..Because next year, everybody will be talking about how the didnt win any games.. they will be overlooked..that's an advantage.. I mean, look at DallasCarter..Nevermind.hahaha... I'm not gonna do it...


I still say the trashy fella from Garland should actually be #1.. He's old.. He wins games...He's trashy.. What's not to like there?

[Ailani]

I would put Jack Welch from Copperas Cove up there. Turned a program that hadn't been in the playoffs for close to 30 years into a perennial playoff team. Puts 10 kids into college a year, maybe 3 into D1.

[bhs06_2]

I wouldn't necessarily count wins/losses as the criteria for being a good coach. Although our coaching staff has a combined 13 state rings(I believe) and we only went 3-7 this year, they turned our program around in ways other than winning. Such as cutting back on bad decisions, team unity, conduct, behavior, discipline, and team work. Another good coach who didn't have a good season is Grand Prairie's Gary Bartel. I think he is a great coach. So is Jim Bennett and Mike Farda from Irving/Irving Nimitz. Arlington Lamar's Eddie Peach is a good coach.

[Red Raiders]

I am tired of people saying their own team is #1 on their list because they are from their, I just hate it...

No order...
Smithson Valley
Longview
Lufkin
Katy
Southlake Carroll (Very Good Coaching)
Dallas Carter
Tyler John Tyler (because of their first year coach got to the playoffs)
Tyler Lee (One of the best coaches, not saying that because its my team but its true and we just didn't win it)
Euless Trinity
Irving MacArthur

[singularity]

Total stupidity. That's insulting to the SV players, fans and the entire area. You think that the SV students/players somehow have less potential or less ability/talent than other places? You think the other teams have some kind of advantage? No way.
How is it stupid to say that teams like SV and Judson consistently have less talent than the teams they compete with in the playoffs? Let me ask you how many SV players have seen playing time their freshman year at a D1 school?

[singularity]

That analogy isnt stupid either. You could have a team full of geniuses, but it wouldn't make them better than a cohesive well-coached team. I compared the TEAM, not the fans or area. It is true. SV was horrible at football until Hill got there and turned them into one of the best programs in the state. The analogy is underachieving to overachieving.

[Red Raiders]

That analogy isnt stupid either. You could have a team full of geniuses, but it wouldn't make them better than a cohesive well-coached team. I compared the TEAM, not the fans or area. It is true. SV was horrible at football until Hill got there and turned them into one of the best programs in the state. The analogy is underachieving to overachieving.

Interesting but I just know Hill is a great coach too and thats why I picked them in Top 10.

[zippy]

Everything I say, you think is hypocritical. Just because I do not talk about SLC being the best of everything, you seem to have it out against me. Here is why I think Hill is the best. If you can find someone that has achieved this in their coaching career I will take this claim back and say they are the best coach around:

Ready? The overall record prior to Coach Hill was---52 wins with 133 losses. Now that is HORRIBLE. That is 185 games played, and they lost 133 of them. Since Coach Hill has taken over at SV, they now have a school record of 171 wins with only 159 losses. Do the math and Hill has won 119 games and only lost 26. Now keep this in mind. It takes a new staff a year or two for everyone to buy into the program, and for it to take off. So take away the first two seasons with Hill there and he has only lost 16 football games in a 11 year span. This is incredible when you schedule tough pre-season games, and have played your last two years in the toughest district in the state. Now, if you can sit there and think that this was due to some streak of talent in the area as soon as coach Hill got there your crazy. He, and his staff did this. The players followed a great leader and this is the outcome. And yes to anyone that wants to know, SV does not have talent like other schools they face. Many of the players do not even go on to any level of college play. Nobody from this time period has made a name for themselves in big time college football. If you watch T&M you will see the QB and RB are both from Lufkin. When have you seen two players on the field at one time, much less one team, from SV? Now dragonfootballfan, please name another coach that has done this, and we can discuss this more. As for people who say Dodge, you have a point. He is doing very well at SLC, but I do not know what would happen if he were at a different school, where was he before going to an already great program at SLC? Some of the coaches that I could put into my top 10 have had VERY GOOD outcomes at schools, but when they moved to a "not so good" school, they lost more than they won. So until Hill goes somewhere and losses, he is on top of my list. And Im not changing that.


how can you say that someone is better than someone else without knowing the competition? this statement seems hypocritical to me

[dragonsdaddy]

zippy, it isn't often we agree, but in this case we do. coach hill has to be in the very short list that includes joflo, the berkner coach, and coach outlaw. they have all taken dirt eating programs and put them on a very high pedestal. success, esp when brought from scratch and for many years can only be attributed to great coaching. the berkner coach will be hired away from berkner very soon, maybe this spring. what he has accomplished there is nothing short of miraculous.

[rancher52]

Everything I say, you think is hypocritical. Just because I do not talk about SLC being the best of everything, you seem to have it out against me. Here is why I think Hill is the best. If you can find someone that has achieved this in their coaching career I will take this claim back and say they are the best coach around:

Ready? The overall record prior to Coach Hill was---52 wins with 133 losses. Now that is HORRIBLE. That is 185 games played, and they lost 133 of them. Since Coach Hill has taken over at SV, they now have a school record of 171 wins with only 159 losses. Do the math and Hill has won 119 games and only lost 26. Now keep this in mind. It takes a new staff a year or two for everyone to buy into the program, and for it to take off. So take away the first two seasons with Hill there and he has only lost 16 football games in a 11 year span. This is incredible when you schedule tough pre-season games, and have played your last two years in the toughest district in the state. Now, if you can sit there and think that this was due to some streak of talent in the area as soon as coach Hill got there your crazy. He, and his staff did this. The players followed a great leader and this is the outcome. And yes to anyone that wants to know, SV does not have talent like other schools they face. Many of the players do not even go on to any level of college play. Nobody from this time period has made a name for themselves in big time college football. If you watch T&M you will see the QB and RB are both from Lufkin. When have you seen two players on the field at one time, much less one team, from SV? Now dragonfootballfan, please name another coach that has done this, and we can discuss this more. As for people who say Dodge, you have a point. He is doing very well at SLC, but I do not know what would happen if he were at a different school, where was he before going to an already great program at SLC? Some of the coaches that I could put into my top 10 have had VERY GOOD outcomes at schools, but when they moved to a "not so good" school, they lost more than they won. So until Hill goes somewhere and losses, he is on top of my list. And Im not changing that.
Not sure what it really says but I think Dodge's record prior to SLC was 43-44 (never had the resources and support that he now enjoys at SLC.)

[myround0]

John King 22-1 in the last two years, yes he is green, but i would have to say in an area where people love to run the ball, King has made this team so unprediticible it has many thinking a great season is just six weeks away...

[rancher52]

Not sure what it really says but I think Dodge's record prior to SLC was 43-44 (never had the resources and support that he now enjoys at SLC.)
Oops - make that 24-34 prior to coming to SLC.... I inadvertantly included his first 2 SLC seasons in my prior totals.

[zippy]

I could make up a top 10, but its just too difficult. I just dont follow other coaches, and their "ways" enough to justify it. Who does? I will say that Dodge has to be in the top 5 no matter of what he could do somewhere else, or his philosopy on coaching. To only lose 1 game in what? 3 years? That is amazing. Celina did not lose a game from 1998-2002, 68 straight. So you have to consider G.A. Moore in the mixup, but do you just base it one things like this? I did not play for him, so I dont know what kind of coach he is. Bryant in some people eyes was a great coach, he was a P.O.S in my opinion on some things, but great in others.

zippy, it isn't often we agree, but in this case we do. coach hill has to be in the very short list that includes joflo, the berkner coach, and coach outlaw. they have all taken dirt eating programs and put them on a very high pedestal. success, esp when brought from scratch and for many years can only be attributed to great coaching. the berkner coach will be hired away from berkner very soon, maybe this spring. what he has accomplished there is nothing short of miraculous.

[BigArab]

John King 22-1 in the last two years, yes he is green, but i would have to say in an area where people love to run the ball, King has made this team so unprediticible it has many thinking a great season is just six weeks away...

Amen. He gets sneakier as the season goes on. Very unpredictable. Make no mistake people, King truly was the head coach (minus the big calls) even when Pat Collins was around. He is the reason this program turned around the day he set foot on campus back in 2000.

[WildcatFan]

Give me your top ten schools of schools who have the best coaches!

Mine
1. SV
2. SLC
3. KATY
4. ABILENE
5. JUDSON
6. AUSTIN WESTLAKE
7. LUFKIN
8. SPRING WESTFIELD
9. EULESS TRINITY
10. CLEAR LAKE

Plano Coach Brence, by the way he has won a State Championship, more than 60% of the teams listed above have not.

[zippy]

Are you sure? How old is he? I did not know he had been coaching (HC) that long.

Not sure what it really says but I think Dodge's record prior to SLC was 43-44 (never had the resources and support that he now enjoys at SLC.)

[Oiler99]

I cant say top ten coaches
but i kno one coach that deserves a shot

Pearlands Tony Heath

team had one 6 games in there prior eight years

And since then

in nine years
74-28 in nine seasons with 7 playoff berths compared to all
4 playoff appearance since 1949

[dragonsdaddy]

Are you sure? How old is he? I did not know he had been coaching (HC) that long.
he graduated from tu in 85-6 and got his first hc job in 94 in central texas, then 2 years at newman smith, the 2 at fridge. started at slc in the winter of 2000.

[rancher52]

Are you sure? How old is he? I did not know he had been coaching (HC) that long.
See my correction in post# 45. Record was actually 24-34.

[dragonsdaddy]

he won his 100th 2 games ago. he went from 50 to 100 as fast as you can, just about.

[chap fan]

I think an additional consideration that I haven't seen articulated is coaches who get their teams to succeed beyond their natural ability. When I first moved into this district, I thought it was populated by super athletes. I was surprised to learn very few of our players get DI scholarships, although more play college, especially at smaller schools or in the Ivy League (which doesn't give football scholarships I've been told). What I realized is that the real key to our team's extended success is first and foremost the coaching, and the overachieving mentality that is present among kids in our district in all different types of activities. To succeed at our school requires both talent and a lot of hard work. Drew Brees was a B team quarterback in his early high school years, if I remember the story right. What Coach Schroeder and Coach Long and the staff that's been together for a lot of years seem to be really talented at is getting kids to play beyond their potential. We do have a few tremendous athletes, but on the whole, we don't normally stack up that well against other teams on paper.

Coaching a team of super athletes presents its own challenges, but I think it takes more coaching ability to beat a team that is superior athletically.

[rancher52]

he won his 100th 2 games ago. he went from 50 to 100 as fast as you can, just about.
I think the real credit goes to Ledbetter for recognizing what Dodge could do... since his results had not proved it. An interesting thing I read was Dodge attributing his success since the 2002 year with his visit to his buddy at Middle Tennessee State. I assume that is the offense they incorporated.

[The Great Evaluator]

Give me your top ten schools of schools who have the best coaches!

Mine
1. SV
2. SLC
3. KATY
4. ABILENE
5. JUDSON
6. AUSTIN WESTLAKE
7. LUFKIN
8. SPRING WESTFIELD
9. EULESS TRINITY
10. CLEAR LAKE

Assuming we are talking 5A only, your list is almost perfect. Depending on the week, the order of those 10 could fall in any number of ways - I would add Denton Ryan and SGP in place of Clear Lake and Judson though.

[SeguinMatadors]

Assuming we are talking 5A only, your list is almost perfect. Depending on the week, the order of those 10 could fall in any number of ways - I would add Denton Ryan and SGP in place of Clear Lake and Judson though.

I can't argue with The Great Evaluator's evaluation. His specialty is evaluating.

[dragonfootballfan]

Everything I say, you think is hypocritical. Just because I do not talk about SLC being the best of everything, you seem to have it out against me. Here is why I think Hill is the best. If you can find someone that has achieved this in their coaching career I will take this claim back and say they are the best coach around:

Ready? The overall record prior to Coach Hill was---52 wins with 133 losses. Now that is HORRIBLE. That is 185 games played, and they lost 133 of them. Since Coach Hill has taken over at SV, they now have a school record of 171 wins with only 159 losses. Do the math and Hill has won 119 games and only lost 26. Now keep this in mind. It takes a new staff a year or two for everyone to buy into the program, and for it to take off. So take away the first two seasons with Hill there and he has only lost 16 football games in a 11 year span. This is incredible when you schedule tough pre-season games, and have played your last two years in the toughest district in the state. Now, if you can sit there and think that this was due to some streak of talent in the area as soon as coach Hill got there your crazy. He, and his staff did this. The players followed a great leader and this is the outcome. And yes to anyone that wants to know, SV does not have talent like other schools they face. Many of the players do not even go on to any level of college play. Nobody from this time period has made a name for themselves in big time college football. If you watch T&M you will see the QB and RB are both from Lufkin. When have you seen two players on the field at one time, much less one team, from SV? Now dragonfootballfan, please name another coach that has done this, and we can discuss this more. As for people who say Dodge, you have a point. He is doing very well at SLC, but I do not know what would happen if he were at a different school, where was he before going to an already great program at SLC? Some of the coaches that I could put into my top 10 have had VERY GOOD outcomes at schools, but when they moved to a "not so good" school, they lost more than they won. So until Hill goes somewhere and losses, he is on top of my list. And Im not changing that.
I was not refuting that Coach Hill was a top ten coach. I was refuting the fact that you could call him the best coach and then say that you do not anything about any other coach. I don't know how that is possible. How can you say coach A is better than coach B without knowing anything about coach B.

[zippy]

Yea, we were typing them up at the same time. Dragondaddy cleared it up for me. Thanks

See my correction in post# 45. Record was actually 24-34.

[zippy]

When your playing 16 games a year instead of 10 that is going to happen...

he won his 100th 2 games ago. he went from 50 to 100 as fast as you can, just about.

[zippy]

That is true. I think that one of the reasons he has done so well is due to the offense they run. Any coach could have started that, but only a select few can master it. Very few, if any, teams could defend the spread at first. Now that more and more teams are using it (and getting to practice against it on defense) SLC is going to have more and more teams that can play with, and beat them. I always wanted to see SLC and Ennis play. Even at 4A, a few years ago I think they could have played with SLC better than any other team in 5A. SLC also had a very good program that had won some championships, and almost always made the playoffs when Dodge got there, so it was not going to be as difficult as it had been for him in the past.

I think the real credit goes to Ledbetter for recognizing what Dodge could do... since his results had not proved it. An interesting thing I read was Dodge attributing his success since the 2002 year with his visit to his buddy at Middle Tennessee State. I assume that is the offense they incorporated.

[zippy]

Ok, when I know enough about every coach in the state like you do that I can make a top 10 I will. Its funny to me, that I am 28 years old, and have coached at the HS level for 4 years, and now at college for the past 2 years, and going back to HS next year, yet I dont know enough about 10 coaches to make a top 10 list. How do you know enough about 10 of them. I have been to both major coaching schools for the past 6 years, and have met 100's of coaches, yet I still dont know enough about "coach b" to make a solid choice, but based on what I do know of the others, Hill is still better than "coach b". To know enough about other coaches, you either have to play for them, or work with them. (Have you done either one with more than one coach?) Its not that I dont know anything about them at all, just using what I do know. I was using 5A coaches, but I could probably come up with a list if using all coaches, college and NFL included. I was also using an overall rating. I have met a ton of coaches that have great ideas, but lack other key parts needed. I have met some that have had a perfect philosophy, but run a terrible system. I know one that has a good philosophy, a perfect system, but brings in too much stuff reserved for church on Sunday's into the locker room. Get my drift yet? If not, keep it to yourself, Im not responding to you anymore, your just trying to start a war, and I have work that needs to be done. Peace..


I was not refuting that Coach Hill was a top ten coach. I was refuting the fact that you could call him the best coach and then say that you do not anything about any other coach. I don't know how that is possible. How can you say coach A is better than coach B without knowing anything about coach B.

[SVLOI83]

about 10 years before Coach Hill got to SV, the kids didnt even have a weight room. They sat around during the offseason and shot baskets and goofed off. The coaching staff prior to Hill setup a weight room and started an off-season routine for the kids and Hill came in and shined everything up. Two years ago he got some help making the guys bigger, stronger, and faster by hiring a strength, speed, and conditioning coach from out near Katy. This man has drastically improved SV's performance on the field by allowing the guys to out play other opponets in the 3rd and 4th quarters. The mindset around Smithson Valley is that opponets may be able to hang in for the first 3 quarters, but most teams give out in the 4th....when SV picks their game up to another level.

go get 'em Rangers

[BigArab]

I've seen SV's weight facility. It is very impressive.

[zippy]

Your joking right? It is the size of some 3A schools I have seen.

I've seen SV's weight facility. It is very impressive.

[dragonfootballfan]

Ok, when I know enough about every coach in the state like you do that I can make a top 10 I will. Its funny to me, that I am 28 years old, and have coached at the HS level for 4 years, and now at college for the past 2 years, and going back to HS next year, yet I dont know enough about 10 coaches to make a top 10 list. How do you know enough about 10 of them. I have been to both major coaching schools for the past 6 years, and have met 100's of coaches, yet I still dont know enough about "coach b" to make a solid choice, but based on what I do know of the others, Hill is still better than "coach b". To know enough about other coaches, you either have to play for them, or work with them. (Have you done either one with more than one coach?) Its not that I dont know anything about them at all, just using what I do know. I was using 5A coaches, but I could probably come up with a list if using all coaches, college and NFL included. I was also using an overall rating. I have met a ton of coaches that have great ideas, but lack other key parts needed. I have met some that have had a perfect philosophy, but run a terrible system. I know one that has a good philosophy, a perfect system, but brings in too much stuff reserved for church on Sunday's into the locker room. Get my drift yet? If not, keep it to yourself, Im not responding to you anymore, your just trying to start a war, and I have work that needs to be done. Peace..
I don't know anything about you personally. All I know is what you said which was

SV, no way around it. I can type till my hands are blue on why that is, but its late. Will not go with the other 9, cause I just dont know enough about them. However there are no faults in SV's that I have seen, and its the #1 reason I still make trips to see them play. Perfect philosophy in every aspect of the game, and job.
I had to assume that what you posted was true and therefore you did not know anything about any coach other than smithson valley. I did not care that you were from smithson valley at all. I would have treated you the same way had your screen name been CarrollDragons67 or anything else.

[zippy]

ok, reasonable. Read it again, I can list the other 9, but I dont have enough info for an order, and either way, Hill is on top. Oh yea, my sig looks good right? :)


I don't know anything about you personally. All I know is what you said which was


I had to assume that what you posted was true and therefore you did not know anything about any coach other than smithson valley. I did not care that you were from smithson valley at all. I would have treated you the same way had your screen name been CarrollDragons67 or anything else.

[dragonfootballfan]

ok, reasonable. Read it again, I can list the other 9, but I dont have enough info for an order, and either way, Hill is on top. Oh yea, my sig looks good right? :)
your sig is great. I just wish that you remove the part at the end in the quotes. I never said that. I read the original post as not knowing enough about nine other coaches to compare them to anyone.

[YuccaRoot]

No order:

Tyler Lee
SLC
Longview
Judson
A&M Consolidated
Lufkin
Westlake
John Tyler
Copperas Cove
Garland

[RHS2]

Gary Childress. Here's someone who has been successful year in and year out, everywhere he's coached. After being out of coaching for 15 years he takes over at Carrollton Creekview and has them in the playoffs this year. Kind of hard to not include him in a list of really good coaches.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

"In this day and time, it is easy to look out for No. 1, but if you do that, then only you and maybe your immediate family are happy for you. Sports is more than just winning. Sure, you want to win, but this is a tool to teach young men how to become leaders -- good husbands and good fathers. If you're going to be a good husband and father, then you have to learn how to put somebody before you. That's what we teach. When we're all working towards the same goal, then the individual success will take care of itself. That's why we play so many kids. They're all important to us." - Mike Johnston

Great Coach

[CLFalcon2006]

CL2006-I hope your right that we might see another great playoff team next year but i highly doubt it. 2003 still had some wins against some good teams and they didn't break down as bad in the 4th quarter. Aduddel is a good coach but I really have to question why he bypassed backup QB Cole Mueller for Gilmer. Mueller played in brazoswood for a while and he did a great job managing the team and running the option. Aduddel took him out and Gilmer fumbled the ball on the 3rd play. In Gball Aduddel put sophmore QB Andrew Decker in and he did a good job managing, though I will give Gilmer credit he had a very good game against Gball. There were just a lot of questionable coaching moves this year. I really do hope everything gets back in order next year, I just highly doubt they will because that team will lose their big names players in Geno, Blake, Mckinney, and Zamora.

if the team goes into playoffs ina year or 2 I owe Aduddel a coke

if Gilmer becomes Scott Oswald I'll buy him and his family a steak dinner

[AZTiger]

back in the DW/Johnston days, it was

1.) Judson
1a.) Katy

And Judson people just shut up before you start yappin saying no way....yall stole plays from our playbook...Katy Draw ring a bell for some of you former Rockets? ;)

[TrojanHorse03]

back in the DW/Johnston days, it was

1.) Judson
1a.) Katy

And Judson people just shut up before you start yappin saying no way....yall stole plays from our playbook...Katy Draw ring a bell for some of you former Rockets? ;)

As Norm Chow once said, "Offensive playbooks are all just one big copy job."

[lonny23]

back in the DW/Johnston days, it was

1.) Judson
1a.) Katy

And Judson people just shut up before you start yappin saying no way....yall stole plays from our playbook...Katy Draw ring a bell for some of you former Rockets? ;)
I thought the Katy Draw was a play first run in a dry creekbed! ;)

[BigDaddy]

Amarillo HS Larry Dipple. He is one of the top 5 most winningest coaches in 5A FOOTBALL going today. He has one of the smallest enrollments in the state to work with and always produces a winning product. They are 9-1 this year still nobody wants to give them any respect. :eek:

[gutbuster]

Coach Wilson at Dallas Carter. Coach Aymond at North Shore. Guys at schools like this. Yeah, I know they have great talent. But it takes a great coach and psychiatrist to put things together at a school like that. I laugh at you guys that say Smithson Valley, Westlake and Southlake Carroll. They have good coaches. Todd Dodge was a below average coach before he got to Carroll. There is very little adversity or problems to deal with at these schools. Take the schools with average test scores or below average and see which of those schools are winning and those are your best coaches. These are the guys dealing with problems and at the same time they are able to put X's and O's in their kids heads. Coach Hill, Long and Dodge are good coaches, but they get to spend all their time coaching the kids. They aren't having to coach and deal with problem outside of football. Coach Wilson has as good of knowledge of the game of football as these other guys, he just gets to teach less of it because his kids aren't capable of doing so.

[rancher52]

Coach Wilson at Dallas Carter. Coach Aymond at North Shore. Guys at schools like this. Yeah, I know they have great talent. But it takes a great coach and psychiatrist to put things together at a school like that. I laugh at you guys that say Smithson Valley, Westlake and Southlake Carroll. They have good coaches. Todd Dodge was a below average coach before he got to Carroll. There is very little adversity or problems to deal with at these schools. Take the schools with average test scores or below average and see which of those schools are winning and those are your best coaches. These are the guys dealing with problems and at the same time they are able to put X's and O's in their kids heads. Coach Hill, Long and Dodge are good coaches, but they get to spend all their time coaching the kids. They aren't having to coach and deal with problem outside of football. Coach Wilson has as good of knowledge of the game of football as these other guys, he just gets to teach less of it because his kids aren't capable of doing so.
I think you make excellent points (and Wilson has,indeed, done a great job). By the way (to anyone), does it differ from district to district as to if coaches are required to teach ... or perform any other duties? I seem to recall this does differ but am not sure.

[westlake]

Ron Schroeder - Austin Westlake - 1987 -2002

[gutbuster]

I will say Schoeder was a great coach when his teams went south to region 4 to play San Antonio and Valley teams. He became an average coach when he had to go to region 2 and play in that mess.

[myround0]

When I first read this is said John King, now that I have read the entire post I would like to add to that list...Coaching is something done yearly and over time I would have to say the two best are Outlaw in Lufkin and Todd Dodge in SLC...I don't think anyone can argue with how their teams to seam to alway be a legit State title contender/champ if they didn't have to play each other...Johnk King has been at the helm for two season and he has in my mind been the most impressive coach over the last two season, and if I were asked about the top three coaches this season then I would have to say the three guys mentioned...I am most impressed with the way John King has got superstar running backs Vondrell Mcgee and Christ Ivory to share the ball and make other guys step up...It is clear that Mcgee's numbers are down, but the overall Lobos team is riding really high, because everyone is contributing and that is always a coach job, getting the team to focus...

My three coaches;
John King
Dodge
Outlaw

and I aint down with nothing from Lufkin, but you can't deny a guy who can make adjustments at the half like no other coach, Lufkin is a much stronger team in the second half, and probably the strongest second half team period and that is all Outlaw...

Dodge, what is there to say, two state titles in three years and the state title game every year since moving to the highest class of football in the state...

[iLUVktFootBaLL]

Well, I'm not going to sit here and make a list of the teams with the top coaches and put my school at the top because number 1 that would be pretty biased and number 2 I really couldn't tell you which other coaches are good just by knowing the team. What I do know is that the coaches at Katy are amazing. I'm definitely not saying they are #1 but Katy Football is where it is today because of all those past and present coaches. They drive those boys not only to be the best but to succeed in ALL they do, not just football. They teach the guys character and integrity. They truly are a blessing to Katy High School.

[myround0]

Well, I'm not going to sit here and make a list of the teams with the top coaches and put my school at the top because number 1 that would be pretty biased and number 2 I really couldn't tell you which other coaches are good just by knowing the team. What I do know is that the coaches at Katy are amazing. I'm definitely not saying they are #1 but Katy Football is where it is today because of all those past and present coaches. They drive those boys not only to be the best but to succeed in ALL they do, not just football. They teach the guys character and integrity. They truly are a blessing to Katy High School.

Katy don't be mad, You have a great coach, but i don't know who he is and how long he has been there, i would definately put your coach on the list you have a couple of recent state titles, the lone title over SLC, and I never hear about any D-1 players, so it has to be the coach. If he had even more talent to pool from, you would be more dominate than SLC...I am not saying you guys don't have D-1 talent, I just never hear you guys calling attention to yourselves, you let your on the field action speak for you...

[iLUVktFootBaLL]

Oh I'm definitely not mad but I just didn't want other people thinking that I was being biased and putting down their coaches. But thanks, and I agree...the team really shines on the field! :D