FB Marshall/ Jesuit

[runthepower]

THis could be a great game. ANy predictions?

[KT2000]

/corso

"Closer than the experts think."

[Fleeman93]

/Fleeman

"Not close at all"

[HUM398]

i havent seen strake play, but from what i understand they dont have alot of speed and size. They will need it agaisnt Marshall

[AZTiger]

i havent seen strake play, but from what i understand they dont have alot of speed and size. They will need it agaisnt Marshall

i remember a time when folks said that about katy too

[SuperBuffs]

Strake can't beat FB Marshall.....now, having said that....my game plan if I were a Strake Jesuit Crusader.

The Buffalo Soldiers can beat themselves....how many of those kids are thinking, "Why are we playing a sorry Catholic school?", because they, like myself, didn't know Strake Jesuit could play UIL football.

So they go into the game with the wrong attitude and overplay.....usually a well coached team will run Screens, Delays and Draw plays....maybe a few Flea Flickers and Double Reverses to suck in the speedy Buffs.

Then if I score, and I will need to score in bunches....you run Counters and Traps...hopefully my under-sized line can gut it out....Strake's defense does not stand a chance....FB Marshall has too many weapons....therefore I rush 4 and don't give up the big play on defense....

OK Crusaders......good luck.

[jgg050759]

Gosh, I guess Jesuit has no chance. Why is this game even being played??? :eek:

[SuperBuffs]

Gosh, I guess Jesuit has no chance. Why is this game even being played??? :eek:

I just stated and elaborated how I thought Strake could achieve victory, so now you tell me how the Crusaders will win.....it is called an exchange of ideas....

or is :eek: , all I get?

[pbox]

This game is going to be a good one.

[ktrain]

Strake can't beat FB Marshall.....now, having said that....my game plan if I were a Strake Jesuit Crusader.

The Buffalo Soldiers can beat themselves....how many of those kids are thinking, "Why are we playing a sorry Catholic school?", because they, like myself, didn't know Strake Jesuit could play UIL football.

So they go into the game with the wrong attitude and overplay.....usually a well coached team will run Screens, Delays and Draw plays....maybe a few Flea Flickers and Double Reverses to suck in the speedy Buffs.

Then if I score, and I will need to score in bunches....you run Counters and Traps...hopefully my under-sized line can gut it out....Strake's defense does not stand a chance....FB Marshall has too many weapons....therefore I rush 4 and don't give up the big play on defense....

OK Crusaders......good luck.

There you go SJ, all you need to know to beat FB Marshall, might as well take the rest of the week off and relax

[Drake]

FB Marshall has to be the heavy favorite, but I think Strake Jesuit has a better chance than most think, if for no other reason than that Fleeman guy is almost always wrong... :D

Actually, I have other reasons to think Strake has a chance, but we're certainly in no position to be giving Marshall any bulletin board material...

By the way, I understand there's a rumor in Katy that Terrell Owens just enrolled at Strake... It's NOT true! ;)

[ktrain]

FB Marshall has to be the heavy favorite, but I think Strake Jesuit has a better chance than most think, if for no other reason than that Fleeman guy is almost always wrong... :D

Actually, I have other reasons to think Strake has a chance, but we're certainly in no position to be giving Marshall any bulletin board material...

By the way, I understand there's a rumor in Katy that Terrell Owens just enrolled at Strake... It's NOT true! ;)

Did he get a scholarship? (lol)

[AZTiger]

no no no, it's "financial assistance" remember? ;)

[KT2000]

By the way, I understand there's a rumor in Katy that Terrell Owens just enrolled at Strake...

Good Lord, get Bandy some jet engine tested ear plugs.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

By the way, I understand there's a rumor in Katy that Terrell Owens just enrolled at Strake..

It's O.K., we've got Will Thompson.

[Fleeman93]

FB Marshall has to be the heavy favorite, but I think Strake Jesuit has a better chance than most think, if for no other reason than that Fleeman guy is almost always wrong... :D

That Fleeman guy finished 5th in the pickem and was right 73% of the time. But who the hell knows?

[htownfootball]

strake has beaten fast and very athletic teams like this before in elsik but elsik is in a rebuilding year. also strake beat bay city several years ago in bay city, texas when they were defending their 4A championship but that was a different team that is a little better than this one.
strake plays at crump stadium in alief, texas where they are 2-0 this year over alief taylor and hastings.
players to watch for strake jesuit:
tim bandy-QB, david tchseope- TE, jonathan moore- RB/DB, stephen tyree- WR/FS, moses ogbonnaya- WR/DB, davis burck- WR, scott coffman- LB, brian allgerier- DT, jeff mcvaney- RB, jonathan madsen- WR,K,P.
these players can make big plays including jonathan moore and tyree who are d1 sure bets and moses, whose older brother chris is the RB behind jamaal charles and selvin young at UT. also, scott coffman is an all 19-5A worthy LB with multiple int's and sacks along with allgerier. madsen is also a clutch reciever whos kicking skills are college worthy. davis burck is stepping up in his first year on varsity as a sophomore with many TD catches and big yardage and plays as is sophomore jeff mcvaney at RB who was the freshmen A team QB last year.

FB Marshall, youll may think strake is just a "sorry Catholic school" but ask 19-5A who they are and they'll give you a different answer. ignorance is a vice in this case and if they taught you what that in Missouri City then I hope you take the advice wisely.
the first play where you underestimate the size and speed of our defense, scott coffman will pick your pass and run it for the touchdown or brian allgerier will throw you to the ground for a huge loss or he'll injur your running back 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Underestimate the jesuit offense and tyree just had a one handed catch in the endzone from a strong armed tim bandy. Slack off on watching the running game, mr buff linebacker, and jonathan moore or jeff mcvaney just ran up the middle for an 8 yard gain or even a first down. Don't hussle hard enough to block the kick and Jonathan Madsen just kicked a 45 yarder through the uprights and into the acclaimed Buff band.
Buffs, welcome to strake jesuit football.

[Drake]

Geez HTOWN, the only thing you didn't tell Marshall about our team is the helium in the football thing...

Um, you Marshall scouts can have the rest of the week off...

[hornfan713]

strake has beaten fast and very athletic teams like this before in elsik but elsik is in a rebuilding year. also strake beat bay city several years ago in bay city, texas when they were defending their 4A championship but that was a different team that is a little better than this one.
strake plays at crump stadium in alief, texas where they are 2-0 this year over alief taylor and hastings.
players to watch for strake jesuit:
tim bandy-QB, david tchseope- TE, jonathan moore- RB/DB, stephen tyree- WR/FS, moses ogbonnaya- WR/DB, davis burck- WR, scott coffman- LB, brian allgerier- DT, jeff mcvaney- RB, jonathan madsen- WR,K,P.
these players can make big plays including jonathan moore and tyree who are d1 sure bets and moses, whose older brother chris is the RB behind jamaal charles and selvin young at UT. also, scott coffman is an all 19-5A worthy LB with multiple int's and sacks along with allgerier. madsen is also a clutch reciever whos kicking skills are college worthy. davis burck is stepping up in his first year on varsity as a sophomore with many TD catches and big yardage and plays as is sophomore jeff mcvaney at RB who was the freshmen A team QB last year.

FB Marshall, youll may think strake is just a "sorry Catholic school" but ask 19-5A who they are and they'll give you a different answer. ignorance is a vice in this case and if they taught you what that in Missouri City then I hope you take the advice wisely.
the first play where you underestimate the size and speed of our defense, scott coffman will pick your pass and run it for the touchdown or brian allgerier will throw you to the ground for a huge loss or he'll injur your running back 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Underestimate the jesuit offense and tyree just had a one handed catch in the endzone from a strong armed tim bandy. Slack off on watching the running game, mr buff linebacker, and jonathan moore or jeff mcvaney just ran up the middle for an 8 yard gain or even a first down. Don't hussle hard enough to block the kick and Jonathan Madsen just kicked a 45 yarder through the uprights and into the acclaimed Buff band.
Buffs, welcome to strake jesuit football.


great write up htown, but there is one correction. chris ogbannaya is NOT behind jamaal charles and selvin young. He was on the depth chart against OK State and I'm assuming against Baylor as the 2nd team fullback behind Ahmard Hall. Right now he isn't on the 3 deep chart as he got a little banged up at OK State. Michael Houston is in the 2nd spot now, but Chris should get back up there

[SuperBuffs]

Geez HTOWN, the only thing you didn't tell Marshall about our team is the helium in the football thing...

Um, you Marshall scouts can have the rest of the week off...

If you can point to a message board post that has ever helped anyone win any game.....I will find you the phone number of a good bookie. His post is way too broad anyway......

He is right about McVaney and Tyree....a deadly combo....quick strike team. On defense, Tyree is just a deadly....a true prospect. Strake does not have anyone capable of throwing anyone to the ground. Marshall needs a better kicking game, it's living on 2 point conversions.....

The Stampede Marching Band consist of 10 Buffs baseball players and 2 basketballers, so I'm sure they can catch the ball....besides, that will mean he missed the field goal.......

How silly is this post?

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Geez HTOWN, the only thing you didn't tell Marshall about our team is the helium in the football thing...

Um, you Marshall scouts can have the rest of the week off...

Are yall really playing with helium? No wonder!

[ktCarl]

Geez HTOWN, the only thing you didn't tell Marshall about our team is the helium in the football thing...

Um, you Marshall scouts can have the rest of the week off...


Too late, Strake. FB Marshall scouts were at the Strake/KTaylor game.
You been scouted already!!

[StrakeJesuit1990]

Win or lose, one thing is for sure: Jesuit is for real and will be a force in the UIL for years to come.

Go Crusaders!

[htownfootball]

The Stampede Marching Band consist of 10 Buffs baseball players and 2 basketballers, so I'm sure they can catch the ball....besides, that will mean he missed the field goal......

not if the band is behind the endzone setting up before half time. nice try though

[Tut]

Are yall really playing with helium? No wonder!
Is the helium in the ball or on the sidelines for the players? No wonder they out leap everyone! :D

[Fleeman93]

Win or lose, one thing is for sure: Jesuit is for real and will be a force in the UIL for years to come.

Go Crusaders!

I think "force" may be a bit strong. Maybe a team that other teams in 19-5A are forced to play, but I really don't see them being a force in UIL. the jesuits had a great season beating a bunch of down teams and then losing to the best team they played. the jesuits will lose Friday night and that will be that.

[jgg050759]

flea,

I'm having a hard time deciphering from all of your posts whether you are pro-Jesuit or anti-Jesuit. Can you help us out here??? :confused:

[SmilinTiger]

It's O.K., we've got Will Thompson.

And the mighty leapin' 'sheck.

[Fleeman93]

I can't stand them with a passion! Any other questions?

[jgg050759]

Guess you weren't able to pass the entrance exam when you were younger, huh?? At least you don't hold grudges!! ;)

[Katy92]

Crusaders, take it easy on the buffs. I am sure they are concerned about playing you this week. They know you are 8-1 and could have been CO-DISTRICT CHAMPS but you are not. BTW, tell your coaches and principals next time there is a hurricane coming to Houston and games are cancelled, Katy will be waiting to play them (what a bunch of sissys'). Actually you know what, I hope both teams make it to the Region 3 final so I can see what type of ART Strake will dress out to play 5A Texas High School football.

GOOD LUCK!!!

[rwilleby]

Crusaders, take it easy on the buffs. I am sure they are concerned about playing you this week. They know you are 8-1 and could have been CO-DISTRICT CHAMPS but you are not. BTW, tell your coaches and principals next time there is a hurricane coming to Houston and games are cancelled, Katy will be waiting to play them (what a bunch of sissys'). Actually you know what, I hope both teams make it to the Region 3 final so I can see what type of ART Strake will dress out to play 5A Texas High School football.

GOOD LUCK!!!
You've got to be kidding me... look around and crawl back under that rock...

[Drake]

I can't stand them with a passion! Any other questions?I have one Fleeman...

I'd be interested to know the source of your animosity... Apparently you are a Katy fan so...

What have you lost so far by Strake Jesuit being in UIL, by being in 19-5A, by voting not to make-up the lost games, or by having fans on this board?

I'm not trying to have you reflect or change your opinion of Strake Jesuit because I don't believe you are a reasonable person and are obstinate about your biases... I'm just interested in the thought process that causes someone to hate anything with, as you say, a passion, when that thing has apparently not affected or harmed you in any way...

[Drake]

so I can see what type of ART Strake will dress out to play 5A Texas High School football.What does this mean? What type of ART Strake Jesuit will dress out? I don't care if it's degrading, someone tell me what this means...

[Drake]

Win or lose, one thing is for sure: Jesuit is for real and will be a force in the UIL for years to come.Which Jesuit?

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I hate with a passion the fact that anyone would do something harmful to anyone else based on what school they attend. If you don't agree with what's going on in the UIL, or a decision that has been made due to a hurricane, by all means voice your opinion, but there is a line as to what is acceptable and what is not. I am still angry about some of the behavior I have seen posted.

[rwilleby]

What does this mean? What type of ART Strake Jesuit will dress out? I don't care if it's degrading, someone tell me what this means...
It's a code word for the "All Red Truck" club... must be an emergency meeting tonight... :cool:

or he's a nut...

[Drake]

:) Katy has an All Red Truck club?

[ktrain]

Geez, I have a red truck and I have never been invited to a meeting. Whats up with that? :p

[jgg050759]

It's a code word for the "All Red Truck" club... must be an emergency meeting tonight... :cool:

or he's a nut...
Let's go with choice B :D

[Katy92]

You guys are right, I am a nut... :D

Again, Good Luck to ALL!

[rwilleby]

Let's go with choice B :D
And we have a WINNER!!

[Fleeman93]

I have one Fleeman...

I'd be interested to know the source of your animosity... Apparently you are a Katy fan so...

Katy football is my favorite sport at any level.

What have you lost so far by Strake Jesuit being in UIL, by being in 19-5A, by voting not to make-up the lost games, or by having fans on this board?

I have lost absolutly nothing to this point. What I hate about the jesuits is what I could lose. I have no doubt that the jesuits do no recruiting at this time, but I believe it will happen at some point. Do I KNOW that it will happen? No. Do I THINK it will happen? Yes. If and when it does start to happen UIL, as we know it, will go down the toilet. Texas will become just another big state that is dominated by the private schools. Do I give a damn about the jesuits? No. Do I care that the jesuits are in Katy's district? No. the jesuits are just another average team that did a little winning because they are in a bad district and now they think they are something. I respect the hell out of your boys that are out there playing their ***** off, but I just don't like the program in general. I think your leadership and school should be tagged as a bunch of cowards after voting down the makeup of the missed games. You fight like hell to get into the league then turn down games once you get here. I, along with everyone else, know exactly why the jesuit leadership turned down those games. Do I feel animosity toward the Alief schools? Yes, but not nearly as much as I do toward the private school that just had to be included in a public school league. Funny thing is that your coach wants to stand up and be a man now, but that man was nowhere to be found when the vote took place. If your coach wanted to play the game then the game would have been played.

I'm not trying to have you reflect or change your opinion of Strake Jesuit because I don't believe you are a reasonable person and are obstinate about your biases... I'm just interested in the thought process that causes someone to hate anything with, as you say, a passion, when that thing has apparently not affected or harmed you in any way...

I promise you that I am one of the more reasonable people you will ever know. I understand that in any argument or fight neither person will think they are wrong or else you wouldn't have an argument or fight. Again, I have no problem with the jesuits when it comes to a learning institution, but they have no business being in a public school organization when it comes to anything UIL where public schools don't have the same freedoms that the jesuits do. I want to make a point to note that there is no place for violence or threats when it comes to this matter. If I would have seen that Katy fan chase your coach’s wife into a parking lot and start verbally abusing her then that same Katy fan would have gotten his door kicked in. I would not tolerate anything of the sort and certainly don't condone it. Sorry for the short story.

[Amused]

Here we go again Fleeman. Somebody doesn't agree with you or questions your position and you get vicious. Nice going Fleeman.

[Fleeman93]

Here we go again Fleeman. Somebody doesn't agree with you or questions your position and you get vicious. Nice going Fleeman.

Quote exactly which part you are saying is vicious and I will explain myself. He asked me to explain why I hate the jesuits with a passion and I did. Am I wrong for that?

[Drake]

Fleeman... There is no point in rehashing the UIL and VOTE issues, it never gets us anywhere anyway, but...

If I'm reading the first part of your post right, you fear that SJ might get to the point that it is a dominate program in Texas High School football year in and year out? That just a handful of schools will get all the best players and the playoffs will be only a contest between those few "haves' each year? That while everyone else is stuck trying to muster up student participation, fan base, and their own tradition, the elite programs will get shiny new helmets and crisp white pants, Nike sponsorships, and other perks that are created from revenue gained through their on the field dominance? All this while those that are confined to other attendance zones get nada?

Wow, I never looked at it that way... I can see why you think its unfair.

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman... There is no point in rehashing the UIL and VOTE issues, it never gets us anywhere anyway, but...

If I'm reading the first part of your post right, you fear that SJ might get to the point that it is a dominate program in Texas High School football year in and year out? That just a handful of schools will get all the best players and the playoffs will be only a contest between those few "haves' each year? That while everyone else is stuck trying to muster up student participation, fan base, and their own tradition, the elite programs will get shiny new helmets and crisp white pants, Nike sponsorships, and other perks that are created from revenue gained through their on the field dominance? All this while those that are confined to other attendance zones get nada?

Wow, I never looked at it that way... I can see why you think its unfair.

Why do the private schools dominate in most of the states where the leagues are combined?

[Drake]

I make what I think is a clever response, and he doesn't even get it... Where's that emoticon for <sigh>?

[Drake]

Fleeman...

What I described in post #46 of this thread is what is happening right now... The same handful of teams dominate every year... Katy, SLC, North Shore, The Woodlands, a few others...

What's so IRONIC is, they're the ones screaming the loudest about some PERCEIVED threat of doing in Texas WHAT THEY ALREADY DO!

[Amused]

Fleeman your position is understood and well articulated.

If any program in Texas (private or public) were allowed to evolve like DeLasalle or like Evangile, then we all should be taken to the wood shed. Your long term concerns about privates recruiting should be the same as your long term concerns about new public schools opening up in a district and recruiting players to jump ship from their old public school to the new public school. This has happened in Katy ISD, in the Conroe IDS, in virtually all public school districts. I am aware of a kid playing for the Woodlands right now that conveniently "ended" up in the right spot so he now can play for Woodlands. This information from the dad of a current Woodlands player.

So the UIL needs to be on guard for all of this, private or public. They began by putting teeth into the arrangement that allowed Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit to enter the UIL. Maybe there needs to be more teeth, maybe not. But let's not forget about the similar issue with the publics, this problem having gone on for decades. We all need to mindful and aware and demand that the UIL monitor it with fair rules that apply to everyone.

I think we can all agree the penalty we all will pay for the UIL letting it get out of hand (private or public) is too great for the kids.

[Fleeman93]

I make what I think is a clever response, and he doesn't even get it... Where's that emoticon for <sigh>?

I got your point, but it just didn't do a lot for me. Sorry. :(

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman...

What I described in post #46 of this thread is what is happening right now... The same handful of teams dominate every year... Katy, SLC, North Shore, The Woodlands, a few others...

Why are those programs so good? Why is it that you think Katy is so good year in and year out? They haven't always been that way. So what is different now? Katy doesn't have outstanding athletes. Katy doesn't have D1 recruits year in and year out. Why are they so good? Sometimes talent comes along to a program and the program uses it to go deep in the playoffs (Madions 2002). Sometimes programs have all the talent in the world and can't do a damn thing with it (Humble ?). I don't know what kind of controls you can put on a family moving so that their son can play for a particular school. I think it happens, but I also think the rules that the UIL has in place for public schools work fairly well. I wouldn't have a problem at all with privates being included if I knew for 100% sure that it couldn't screw up the current system.

What's so IRONIC is, they're the ones screaming the loudest about some PERCEIVED threat of doing in Texas WHAT THEY ALREADY DO!

The answer that alot of Katy fans got when complaining about the seating at the jesuit stadium earlier this year was "why didn't you speak up when the jesuits were first admitted to 19-5A." Well, I don't think a lot of people were looking that far down the road. I am looking down the road of problems that I see and I am speaking up and I don't care who likes it or not. A lot more fans will have the same feelings I do once they realize what COULD happen.

[Drake]

Fleeman your position is understood and well articulated.

If any program in Texas (private or public) were allowed to evolve like DeLasalle or like Evangile, then we all should be taken to the wood shed. Your long term concerns about privates recruiting should be the same as your long term concerns about new public schools opening up in a district and recruiting players to jump ship from their old public school to the new public school. This has happened in Katy ISD, in the Conroe IDS, in virtually all public school districts. I am aware of a kid playing for the Woodlands right now that conveniently "ended" up in the right spot so he now can play for Woodlands. This information from the dad of a current Woodlands player.

So the UIL needs to be on guard for all of this, private or public. They began by putting teeth into the arrangement that allowed Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit to enter the UIL. Maybe there needs to be more teeth, maybe not. But let's not forget about the similar issue with the publics, this problem having gone on for decades. We all need to mindful and aware and demand that the UIL monitor it with fair rules that apply to everyone.

I think we can all agree the penalty we all will pay for the UIL letting it get out of hand (private or public) is too great for the kids.Great post. How can anyone disagree with that? Make clear the rules for EVERYONE participating the UIL, and make clear EVERYONE plays by'em...

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman your position is understood and well articulated.

If any program in Texas (private or public) were allowed to evolve like DeLasalle or like Evangile, then we all should be taken to the wood shed. Your long term concerns about privates recruiting should be the same as your long term concerns about new public schools opening up in a district and recruiting players to jump ship from their old public school to the new public school. This has happened in Katy ISD, in the Conroe IDS, in virtually all public school districts. I am aware of a kid playing for the Woodlands right now that conveniently "ended" up in the right spot so he now can play for Woodlands. This information from the dad of a current Woodlands player.

I don't see how the UIL can do anything about a family picking up and moving their family to a new address. What I do have a problem with is the whole "I'm living with my aunt because my mom doesn't have room for me at her 3 bedroom house."

So the UIL needs to be on guard for all of this, private or public. They began by putting teeth into the arrangement that allowed Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit to enter the UIL. Maybe there needs to be more teeth, maybe not. But let's not forget about the similar issue with the publics, this problem having gone on for decades. We all need to mindful and aware and demand that the UIL monitor it with fair rules that apply to everyone.

As I said before, I don't have a problem with privates being included but the current system that is in place is not enough.

I think we can all agree the penalty we all will pay for the UIL letting it get out of hand (private or public) is too great for the kids.

I can't even imagine.

[Fleeman93]

Great post. How can anyone disagree with that? Make clear the rules for EVERYONE participating the UIL, and make clear EVERYONE plays by'em...

I agree 100%, but even at this time the jesuits aren't following all of the rules that are laid out by UIL and I am not a rule book so I don't know what they all are.

EDITED PORTION:

You can't have it both ways. Over a long term period you can't say some schools have an attendance zone and some schools don't. It just can't work and be fair.

[Drake]

The answer that alot of Katy fans got when complaining about the seating at the jesuit stadium earlier this year was "why didn't you speak up when the jesuits were first admitted to 19-5A." Well, I don't think a lot of people were looking that far down the road. I am looking down the road of problems that I see and I am speaking up and I don't care who likes it or not. A lot more fans will have the same feelings I do once they realize what COULD happen.Strake Jesuit hasn't had close to a visitor side sell out in a 19-5A game. Its stadium is more than adequate for just about any visitor it might face except for Katy. Thats a red herring. If we ever get in the position of needing the overflow capacity we could rent some end zone temporary bleachers and use the aditional ticket sales to pay the costs or even consider moving the game... But when you're constantly and consistantly berated by a group, in this case the Katy Tiger community, over the adequacy of your new facility, its unreasonable to think we're going to bend over backwards to work with you...

[Amused]

I agree 100%, but even at this time the jesuits aren't following all of the rules that are laid out by UIL and I am not a rule book so I don't know what they all are.

Fleeman, I am not sure I understand this. You sayyou know the Jesuits are following all the rules, but you admit you are not a rule book so yoiu don't know what they are. WOW, I don't think I can respond to this one!!

[Amused]

I agree 100%, but even at this time the jesuits aren't following all of the rules that are laid out by UIL and I am not a rule book so I don't know what they all are.

Fleeman, I am not sure I understand this. You say you know the Jesuits are not following all the rules, but you admit you are not a rule book so you don't know what they are. WOW, I don't think I can respond to this one!!

[Fleeman93]

Strake Jesuit hasn't had close to a visitor side sell out in a 19-5A game. Its stadium is more than adequate for just about any visitor it might face except for Katy. Thats a red herring. If we ever get in the position of needing the overflow capacity we could rent some end zone temporary bleachers and use the aditional ticket sales to pay the costs or even consider moving the game... But when you're constantly and consistantly berated by a group, in this case the Katy Tiger community, over the adequacy of your new facility, its unreasonable to think we're going to bend over backwards to work with you...

I agree that it was all a little much, but where I think most Katy fans felt shorted is that they could play just about any other 5A team in Houston and the stadium would accommodate their normal regular season fan base. the jesuits stadium can not do that. Furthermore, when Katy fans looked into getting unused tickets to sit on the jesuits side then it was as if they asked for a free pass to heaven. Then some Katy fans said that if they couldn't get into the stadium to watch the game then they wanted to go and tailgate in the parking lot to support their team. the jesuits came back and said that no loitering in the parking lots during or after the game. I just think a lot of die hard Katy fans got very frustrated and I apologize for myself and all of them at this time.

[Fleeman93]

I agree 100%, but even at this time the jesuits aren't following all of the rules that are laid out by UIL and I am not a rule book so I don't know what they all are.

Fleeman, I am not sure I understand this. You sayyou know the Jesuits are following all the rules, but you admit you are not a rule book so yoiu don't know what they are. WOW, I don't think I can respond to this one!!

No, I am saying that I know they are not following all of the rules as there had to be exceptions made for them to join the league. I'm just not a rule book and can explain all of them.

[Amused]

The Strake stadium cost about $4.6 million to build. All construction money came from private donations. The stadium today can hold around 5000 - 5400 fans. Except for Katy High School, Strake has now played a home game against every 19 - 5A opponent. No game has neared full capacity.

The stadium size and building plans were decided long before Strake knew they were put into 19 - 5A. The UIL knew exactly the size stadium that Strake was going to have when they put Strake into 19 - 5A.

The cost for increasing Strake's stadium by another 1500 - 2000 seats would have exceeded $1.5 million.

Now I ask you - with rezoning ocurring every 2 years (for all Strake knows they could be in the Alief district next year or a 4A district, etc), the fact that the stadium could hold all fans in every game so far (Katy has not played there yet), then I think that Strake chose a perfect size for their stadium.

So let's be reasonable here.

[Fleeman93]

The Strake stadium cost about $4.6 million to build. All construction money came from private donations. The stadium today can hold around 5000 - 5400 fans. Except for Katy High School, Strake has now played a home game against every 19 - 5A opponent. No game has neared full capacity.

The stadium size and building plans were decided long before Strake knew they were put into 19 - 5A. The UIL knew exactly the size stadium that Strake was going to have when they put Strake into 19 - 5A.

The cost for increasing Strake's stadium by another 1500 - 2000 seats would have exceeded $1.5 million.

Now I ask you - with rezoning ocurring every 2 years (for all Strake knows they could be in the Alief district next year or a 4A district, etc), the fact that the stadium could hold all fans in every game so far (Katy has not played there yet), then I think that Strake chose a perfect size for their stadium.

So let's be reasonable here.

I'm not arguing the size of your stadium. It was never really an issue for me. I was going to get into the game somehow even if it meant sneaking in. By the way, I think the jesuit stadium is great. Small for SOME 5A teams but huge for a private school.

[Power83]

I want to make a point to note that there is no place for violence or threats when it comes to this matter. If I would have seen that Katy fan chase your coach’s wife into a parking lot and start verbally abusing her then that same Katy fan would have gotten his door kicked in. I would not tolerate anything of the sort and certainly don't condone it. Sorry for the short story.

You make a good point, but I think what you don't understand is this isn't the only incident that has occurred - it just happens to be the most violent and frieghtening one - the guy actually said something like "he wanted to take a shot at the target on her back - and not the tigers - he wanted to shoot it" (I'm sure I miss quoted it but you get the picture) - obviously referencing a quote from an article that Coach C was never interviewed for. He said a few other things as well, but I don't think it's necessary to go into - that one statement said it all.

I made another post about the crazies being driven by what other people say and I think this nut case is a perfect example of that - posting that you can't stand or hate something with a passion in no helps the crazies out there that will lash out at people. We were all hoping that this would have come to pass since district play is over. And we're lucky no one got hurt - I hate to think of what this idiot would have done had he known who she was.

I'm pleading with everyone to stop making remarks that could conjure up feelings in some nut case out there. This goes for both Jesuit and Katy fans. Please try to let go of whatever it is that is eating at you - I promise you'll feel better once you do.

[Fleeman93]

You make a good point, but I think what you don't understand is this isn't the only incident that has occurred - it just happens to be the most violent and frieghtening one - the guy actually said something like "he wanted to take a shot at the target on her back - and not the tigers - he wanted to shoot it" (I'm sure I miss quoted it but you get the picture) - obviously referencing a quote from an article that Coach C was never interviewed for. He said a few other things as well, but I don't think it's necessary to go into - that one statement said it all.

I don't care what the issue is. None of it is right or should be accepted. If the guy did say those things then he should be locked up for it.

I made another post about the crazies being driven by what other people say and I think this nut case is a perfect example of that - posting that you can't stand or hate something with a passion in no helps the crazies out there that will lash out at people. We were all hoping that this would have come to pass since district play is over. And we're lucky no one got hurt - I hate to think of what this idiot would have done had he known who she was.

I'm pleading with everyone to stop making remarks that could conjure up feelings in some nut case out there. This goes for both Jesuit and Katy fans. Please try to let go of whatever it is that is eating at you - I promise you'll feel better once you do.

Just the way I feel and I won't surpress those feelings to make anyone feel warm and fuzzy. I would never hurt or threaten anyone over the issue but I do hate the jesuits for what I think they could do to Texas High School football.

[Power83]

"Funny thing is that your coach wants to stand up and be a man now, but that man was nowhere to be found when the vote took place. If your coach wanted to play the game then the game would have been played."

You're right he was no where to be found when the vote took place - he was recovering from a heart attack at the time. He wasn't even back at school full time - my kid's in his class and he didn't even come back to teaching until the next week. I don't even know why we're hashing this out again - I feel like I'm banging my head up against a wall.

[Fleeman93]

Do you think it was right that they voted note to play the games? By the way I don't think I was the one that brought the vote up this time. Maybe I did, but I don't think so.

[Power83]

"I don't care what the issue is. None of it is right or should be accepted. If the guy did say those things then he should be locked up for it."

Yeah he should be locked up but unfortunately he was driving a red truck with a tiger head on it - you want to help find him? I can't imagine what she feels like whenever she sees a red truck or one of those tiger decals.

[Drake]

I agree that it was all a little much, but where I think most Katy fans felt shorted is that they could play just about any other 5A team in Houston and the stadium would accommodate their normal regular season fan base. the jesuits stadium can not do that. Furthermore, when Katy fans looked into getting unused tickets to sit on the jesuits side then it was as if they asked for a free pass to heaven. Then some Katy fans said that if they couldn't get into the stadium to watch the game then they wanted to go and tailgate in the parking lot to support their team. the jesuits came back and said that no loitering in the parking lots during or after the game. I just think a lot of die hard Katy fans got very frustrated and I apologize for myself and all of them at this time.Okay, that's cool... Just remember, most of those other stadiums were built as home stadiums for multiple schools using taxpayer money. 4 schools in 19-5A use Rhoades and 3 use Crump as home fields. Strake Jesuit built a new football stadium to get ready for UIL participation that has more than adequate seating for any of its home games except one (that occurs once every two years). It also is building an athletic complex for other sports that will be as nice as any. All this is being done in an effort to do our part in "stepping up" to play UIL 5-A, and all is being done without YOUR tax dollars. Parking is limited but will be eventually expanded, however until it is, we just don't have space for tailgating. Seems to me even the most ardent anti-Straker could give us a pass on these issues...

[Fleeman93]

I really could care less about the jesuit facilities to be honest with you, and I am certainly glad that my tax payer money isn't going into them.

[Drake]

I really could care less about the jesuit facilities to be honest with you, and I am certainly glad that my tax payer money isn't going into them.and I could care less about your opinion... I just use your rants as an opportunity to rebutt with the truth to those that actually care to hear it.

[jgg050759]

No, I am saying that I know they are not following all of the rules as there had to be exceptions made for them to join the league. I'm just not a rule book and can explain all of them.

Ummm, if they aren't following all of the rules, why are they allowed to be in the playoffs. Shouldn't they be ineligible??? :confused:

[Fleeman93]

Ummm, if they aren't following all of the rules, why are they allowed to be in the playoffs. Shouldn't they be ineligible??? :confused:

As I said before, some rules were adjusted for them.

[Drake]

As I said before, some rules were adjusted for them.Yes, some rules were adjusted. Some were lessened, some were toughened, all were adjusted in an effort to make things more equitable, not to give anyone an advantage... Why is that such a difficult concept for so many?

Magnet schools (like FB Marshall) are PUBLIC schools that play with ADJUSTED rules... Unfair? NO. IT'S MORE FAIR!

[Fleeman93]

Great post. How can anyone disagree with that? Make clear the rules for EVERYONE participating the UIL, and make clear EVERYONE plays by'em...

Yes, some rules were adjusted. Some were lessened, some were toughened, all were adjusted in an effort to make things more equitable, not to give anyone an advantage... Why is that such a difficult concept for so many?

Double speak?

[Power83]

Do you think it was right that they voted note to play the games? By the way I don't think I was the one that brought the vote up this time. Maybe I did, but I don't think so.

Well, my kids not on varsity, but if he was I would probably have said no - not that many games in those few days. I just don't think the kids that go both ways for us would not have had time to recover. One of my good friends is a coach in Alief, he told me had all the schools been brought together to work out a plan the outcome may have been different. He said that after the vote they called the UIL and told them of the tie and they said it had to be a majority and that if they could agree on a plan the UIL would probably approve it. But from what I understood the Alief sup had already told them they were not going to replay the games. I know none of the Katy people care, but there were obviously other mitigating circumstances going on at Jesuit at the time. And I personally think education should come first.

[Drake]

Double speak?Not at all... "Make clear the rules for everyone" is not saying "Make the rules exactly the same for everyone"

Again, the magnets are an example of schools that have rules that are tweaked to fit their situation. They are different rules than other public schools, but the playing field remains level as long as they adhere to them. That's really where I was going with the first post you quoted...

[Fleeman93]

Well, my kids not on varsity, but if he was I would probably have said no - not that many games in those few days. I just don't think the kids that go both ways for us would not have had time to recover. One of my good friends is a coach in Alief, he told me had all the schools been brought together to work out a plan the outcome may have been different. He said that after the vote they called the UIL and told them of the tie and they said it had to be a majority and that if they could agree on a plan the UIL would probably approve it. But from what I understood the Alief sup had already told them they were not going to replay the games. I know none of the Katy people care, but there were obviously other mitigating circumstances going on at Jesuit at the time. And I personally think education should come first.

Funny, how if the jesuits were not in 19-5A and they didn't have their "mitigating circumstances" then the games would have been played.

[Fleeman93]

Not at all... "Make clear the rules for everyone" is not saying "Make the rules exactly the same for everyone"

Again, the magnets are an example of schools that have rules that are tweaked to fit their situation. They are different rules than other public schools, but the playing field remains level as long as they adhere to them. That's really where I was going with the first post you quoted...

How can the rules be clear if they are different for everyone?

[Power83]

Funny, how if the jesuits were not in 19-5A and they didn't have their "mitigating circumstances" then the games would have been played.

Well, maybe that's why the Alief schools don't seem to care that we're in the UIL.

[Fleeman93]

Who knows?

[htownfootball]

Who cares?

[jgg050759]

As I said before, some rules were adjusted for them.

No that's not what you said.....this is.....

I agree 100%, but even at this time the jesuits aren't following all of the rules that are laid out by UIL

[rwilleby]

Interesting read today guys...

I find the Galveston story that broke this evening, assuming it's true, a little ironic... It seems that the Privates have been either directly or indirectly accused of something... Let's call it the "R" word... And, what do we have here? Well we may have a UIL "charter" member caught with their hand in the cookie jar...

Now I don't know the details and I'm not saying it's true, but in our "let's suppose land" we believe it is true, what should happen...

To the team... to the coaches... to the school...

[jgg050759]

not to mention the comments that 80% of public schools are guilty of this (by someone else - not me) :eek:

[Texas Bob]

not to mention the comments that 80% of public schools are guilty of this (by someone else - not me) :eek:

That statement is made all the time by losers looking for a reason that their team lost. It's very easy to get caught and not worth the price when you do.

[Texas Bob]

Interesting read today guys...

I find the Galveston story that broke this evening, assuming it's true, a little ironic... It seems that the Privates have been either directly or indirectly accused of something... Let's call it the "R" word... And, what do we have here? Well we may have a UIL "charter" member caught with their hand in the cookie jar...

Now I don't know the details and I'm not saying it's true, but in our "let's suppose land" we believe it is true, what should happen...

To the team... to the coaches... to the school...

If Ball were Strake they would still be playing. This was an attendance zone issue that Strake does not have to worry about.

[Drake]

Interesting read today guys...

I find the Galveston story that broke this evening, assuming it's true, a little ironic... It seems that the Privates have been either directly or indirectly accused of something... Let's call it the "R" word... And, what do we have here? Well we may have a UIL "charter" member caught with their hand in the cookie jar...

Now I don't know the details and I'm not saying it's true, but in our "let's suppose land" we believe it is true, what should happen...

To the team... to the coaches... to the school...I thought about the same thing, the irony... Have no idea what happened in Galveston but it doesn't really matter. We all know that there isn't a program in the state that doesn't go right to the edge to get the better players, and keep them eligible. As long as no one can prove the move was for athletic purposes, there's no rule broken.

Its truly amazing to me that the same programs can reload so easily while others never seem to get many quality players. Just bad luck I guess.

Wouldn't it be interesting if player address histories were public so if there were patterns of good players continuously moving to be in a certain program that information would at least be known, even if nothing could be done about it.

Of course, the better programs will justify the ongoing influx of talent by saying that parents have the right to send there kids to any school they want... Oh, unless of course the school they want their kid at is a private school...

[KTHoC]

You are right Bob! That is the difference and why they are despised for playing in the public school forum! It is a bad time for the not guilty in Galveston. We in Katy know how they are feeling. We give you our sympathy!

[Power83]

If Ball were Strake they would still be playing. This was an attendance zone issue that Strake does not have to worry about.

Wrong Bob - the issue is the kid has not lived in the district for over a year, therefore is not eligible to play varsity ball. If the kid lived in the district and moved out he can get a waiver to stay in the district and attend school - he can also play varsity ball after being in the district for a year - if he was in the district for over a year and obtained the waiver when he moved - he would still be eligible to play.

When Port Arthur combined all the schools - the Port Acres kids all applied to Sabine Pass to attend school - none of them lived in the Sabine Pass district but Sabine Pass School Board accepted them and obtained the proper waivers - all of these kids were eligible to play ball after a year.

You have got to be kidding yourself if you think this doesn't go on every day in public school. The only difference is they got caught. And the only way the UIL ever finds out is when someone tells them or the school comes forward - like Katy did and if that's the case the team should not be penalized.

[Drake]

Bob... You never let the attendance zone thing go...

Look at it this way... You're the UIL. Now you draw Strake Jesuit an attendance zone that will not overlap anyone else's and will allow it to have an enrollment of 900 boys that meet its entrance and tuition requirements... You can't, because... Anyone, Anyone?

BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT NOT PRACTICAL, ITS NOT POSSIBLE! Let it go...

[Tigerjag]

We all know that there isn't a program in the state that doesn't go right to the edge to get the better players, and keep them eligible.

No, we don't all know that. You have no proof of that anymore than I have proof that jes recruits. And yet, if I say jes recruits, you would jump up and down, get bent and say, "Name one! Name one player we've recruited and prove it!"

[Fleeman93]

No that's not what you said.....this is.....

JGG I really don't know why I am going to explain myself to you, but what was meant by the comment was that the jesuits aren't following some of the same rules that the public schools have to follow because adjustments were made for the privates in some areas.

[KTTex]

I thought this thread was about FB Marshall & Jesuit upcoming game.

silly me

[Fleeman93]

Bob... You never let the attendance zone thing go...

Look at it this way... You're the UIL. Now you draw Strake Jesuit an attendance zone that will not overlap anyone else's and will allow it to have an enrollment of 900 boys that meet its entrance and tuition requirements... You can't, because... Anyone, Anyone?

BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT NOT PRACTICAL, ITS NOT POSSIBLE! Let it go...

Guess it is not (and I quote) "PRACTICAL, ITS NOT POSSIBLE" that the jesuits should be in a public school league (see UIL).

[Fleeman93]

I thought this thread was about FB Marshall & Jesuit upcoming game.

silly me

No one really thinks it is going to be a good game do you? the jesuits are going to get rolled and rightfully so.

[Drake]

I just thought of this... What if Strake Jesuit had an attendance zone and your family lived in it and you didn't want your child to attend Strake Jesuit for whatever reason?

So, even if SJ had an attendance zone, it would have to overlap public zones, right?

I realize this is all picnic conversation and you'll come back with "thats why they shouldn't have let you in...", but we're in now. Why can't we all be forward looking and make the WHOLE system as fair and as transparent as it can be for every school and concentrate on the cheating thats going on now, not what two private schools MIGHT do 5 years from now...

[Texas Bob]

I thought about the same thing, the irony... Have no idea what happened in Galveston but it doesn't really matter. We all know that there isn't a program in the state that doesn't go right to the edge to get the better players, and keep them eligible. As long as no one can prove the move was for athletic purposes, there's no rule broken.

Its truly amazing to me that the same programs can reload so easily while others never seem to get many quality players. Just bad luck I guess.

Wouldn't it be interesting if player address histories were public so if there were patterns of good players continuously moving to be in a certain program that information would at least be known, even if nothing could be done about it.

Of course, the better programs will justify the ongoing influx of talent by saying that parents have the right to send there kids to any school they want... Oh, unless of course the school they want their kid at is a private school...

Most historically successful programs have a few good players, strong team culture, and excellent coaching. For instance Katy has never had speed. This year is the fastest I’ve seen them. In all there success they have sent one, maybe two players to the pros in 100 years. Permian in their day was the smallest bunch of players you could ever find. In the school history has only sent one player to the pros.


If you have an outstanding player everybody knows where he lives. How do you think the cheerleader’s find his house to stick the team sign? If your district rival knows you have ineligible players on you team they will turn you in.
It is not unheard to have ineligible players but it is not as common as you would like it to be. It is common to get caught. It happens every year. The system works.

If you’re a losing team nobody cares who you’re playing. If you're in the playoffs you will be caught.
When your team wins year after year the teams you get accused you steroid use, recruiting and all kinds of stuff. It is sour grapes.
Your implying that if you’re successful you must be crooked. You just don’t know what you are talking about. Give it a few years and maybe you will.

[Drake]

Your implying that you’re successful you must be crooked. You just don’t know what you are talking about. Give it a few years and maybe you will. Kind of like implying if you don't have an attendance zone you're going to surely recruit.

Bob, you and I rarely agree, but I appreciate that you keep it respectful. I hope you appreciate that I try to too...

Bob... before UIL admittance, Strake Jesuit could do anything they wanted... They could have had athletic scholarships, recruiting, anything to get the best players, and yet they didn't... I don't know that there's EVER been a pro athlete that came out of Strake Jesuit... The last two years we've been very respectable in UIL competition with the kids that have been going here since they were freshmen... Is it really logical that we would change our ethos or risk our UIL status by doing it now? Honestly?

[Texas Bob]

Bob... You never let the attendance zone thing go...

Look at it this way... You're the UIL. Now you draw Strake Jesuit an attendance zone that will not overlap anyone else's and will allow it to have an enrollment of 900 boys that meet its entrance and tuition requirements... You can't, because... Anyone, Anyone?

BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT NOT PRACTICAL, ITS NOT POSSIBLE! Let it go....

That statement was just the facts. I did not comment.

[thegreatsebabo]

a) Strake is not in the weakest district. Katy, Cinco, Katy Taylor, Hastings, and Elsik are not weak teams. When Cinco doesnt make playoffs, you know district is not easy.. Marshall on the other hand has only faced one decent team, Kempner. Talk about 450 yards pg, strake could achieve this too in a piss poor district.
b) Yes, I am going to make up excuses for the loss against cinco. Referies were biased. False calls on strake (tyree holding when torre scored???), clcok eating in time outs (keep the clock running in time outs???), no j-mo (injuries happen great i dont care, with j-mo we woulda won), and bandy playing with a concussion. Take all this crap out and strake woulda won easily.
c) It isn't a guaranteed win for marshall, marshall has weak defense, strake has 2nd best defense in district (2nd to cinco who was 1st in the city). Marshall has fantastic offense, bad defense. Strake has good offense and solid defense.
d) Big and fast? Elsik only dropped 6 on us, 30 on Katy. (Katy doesn't pull out starters for all you people about to make excuses, dalton, king, dean, fuda, thompson.. they are all in the whole game.)
e) Last but not least, strake wasn't the only school to say no to playing 4 games in 2 weeks.. all the alief schools did too, the only school to complain about it is katy. Leave it alone, dont flatter yourselves to believe strake even cared enough to try piss u guys off. and with the stadium, the whole point of home is for home field advantage.. we didnt play at rhodes because we woulda lost that home field advantage.. (1 hr drive to katy = no1 showing up)

[Texas Bob]

Is it really logical that we would change our ethos or risk our UIL status by doing it now? Honestly?

I believe the Strake Jesuit has not done anything wrong and is obeying the rules they agreed to upon entering UIL. If it were my school I would have never put my students in the position they are in now. If your membership in the UIL were a statewide referendium you would have lost by a landslide but apparently the minority knows whats best for the majority. You may not believe this but I cringe when I see some of the things posted toward Strake here. Then I get this strange sense that you actually enjoy it! A thread will be thankfully dying and you bring it back to the top like you actually think your going to change somebodys mind by logic. Nobody including you and me are changing anything. You have a great school, good kids, and administration that needs some PR lessons, so let's just let them play ball. As far as recruiting goes, that scrutny comes when you go deep in the playoffs. (I don't believe that you are currently recruting players.)

Do what you can to keep this BS from the students.

[thegreatsebabo]

Strake wanted to join UIL under 3a or 4a. The UIL decided to put strake in district 19-5a.. hardest in houston. Dont complain to strake for being in district5a, complaing to UIL for putting a school with 800 students (that you can double and we still have under most schools + with band and other activies it seems kinda unfair that we only have agnes with a population of like 500?) to 19-5a. Anyways come on, it can't be that bad to know a small private school is in 5a play offs :)

[Texas Bob]

a) Strake is not in the weakest district. Katy, Cinco, Katy Taylor, Hastings, and Elsik are not weak teams. When Cinco doesnt make playoffs, you know district is not easy.. Marshall on the other hand has only faced one decent team, Kempner. Talk about 450 yards pg, strake could achieve this too in a piss poor district.
b) Yes, I am going to make up excuses for the loss against cinco. Referies were biased. False calls on strake (tyree holding when torre scored???), clcok eating in time outs (keep the clock running in time outs???), no j-mo (injuries happen great i dont care, with j-mo we woulda won), and bandy playing with a concussion. Take all this crap out and strake woulda won easily.
c) It isn't a guaranteed win for marshall, marshall has weak defense, strake has 2nd best defense in district (2nd to cinco who was 1st in the city). Marshall has fantastic offense, bad defense. Strake has good offense and solid defense.
d) Big and fast? Elsik only dropped 6 on us, 30 on Katy. (Katy doesn't pull out starters for all you people about to make excuses, dalton, king, dean, fuda, thompson.. they are all in the whole game.)
e) Last but not least, strake wasn't the only school to say no to playing 4 games in 2 weeks.. all the alief schools did too, the only school to complain about it is katy. Leave it alone, dont flatter yourselves to believe strake even cared enough to try piss u guys off. and with the stadium, the whole point of home is for home field advantage.. we didnt play at rhodes because we woulda lost that home field advantage.. (1 hr drive to katy = no1 showing up)

Isn't it past your bedtime?

[thegreatsebabo]

lol thats funny... past my bedtime because u think im young lol. classic. Anyways, ur just saying that because your wrong so then you resort to insults against a 17 year old to try make urself feel better. Pretty sweet deal dude.

[Texas Bob]

lol thats funny... past my bedtime because u think im young lol. classic. Anyways, ur just saying that because your wrong so then you resort to insults against a 17 year old to try make urself feel better. Pretty sweet deal dude.

Excuse me. So you're 17. You should be studying for that grammar test tomorrow. ;)

[thegreatsebabo]

You should be STUDYING for the spelling test. Thats right, keep the Y when adding -ing.

[Texas Bob]

You should be STUDYING for the spelling test. Thats right, keep the Y when adding -ing.

I fixed mine now go fix yours

[thegreatsebabo]

you fixed it because you were ashamed that a 17 year old corrected your witty insult. They keep getting better and better man. Come on, throw another one at me! Everyone wants to read it.

THIS WAS HIS ORIGINAL SENTENCE:
Excuse me. So you're 17. You should be studing for that grammar test tomorrow.

If you are going to criticize me for my grammar, at least criticize me using correct grammar.

[Texas Bob]

you fixed it because you were ashamed that a 17 year old corrected your witty insult. They keep getting better and better man. Come on, throw another one at me! Everyone wants to read it.
I fixed it because you were right it was wrong. Now what?

[thegreatsebabo]

Well thanks for fixing it.. for a second I was scared people were going to get more stupid just by reading your post, but thank god you came to the rescue and fixed it man.

PS: THIS IS A FB MARSHALL VS STRAKE FORUM, NOT A BASH AT INNOCENT 17 YEAR OLDS DEMONSTRATING THEIR OPINIONS.

PSS: I decided my other comment was kinda harsh sorry, its just that you're like double my age and you act like your half of mine. (Thats 8.5 if u cant do the math) :)

[rellufnalla]

Dear Tbob an' Drake,

I think it is fair to say that Strake and Katy have passive recruiting that occurs.
It is a natural migration to greener fields.

Some of my friends moved to Katy so there kids could play on a great team. My wife and I considered moving to her father's house (inherited) when talk of rezoning for Seven Lakes HS might have placed us in Cinco's zone. We certainly would have moved to keep our son in the program.

I remember when Kubiak decided to go to St Pius. It was back in the early 70's and we had all been zoned to Marshall JH and Jeff Davis SH from Sam Houston and Burbank. It was his way out of a sorry situation. He was the best athlete among us and St. Pius got a big boost from his attendance.

The rest of went to Davis HS where football sucked. We had no choice.
The only good thing that came out of it was that Kubiak didn't get to cream my *** playing dodgeball anymore.

Did you know Davis now holds the record for most consecutive losses in the US of any HS football team?

[Texas Bob]

Well thanks for fixing it.. for a second I was scared people were going to get more stupid just by reading your post, but thank god you came to the rescue and fixed it man. Please sir, my IQ has dropped a few points just by reading your posts, stop talking to me.

PS: THIS IS A FB MARSHALL VS STRAKE FORUM, NOT A BASH AT INNOCENT 17 YEAR OLDS DEMONSTRATING THEIR OPINIONS.

One last question. Are you on the football team?

[thegreatsebabo]

No, I am on the wrestling team

[Texas Bob]

No, I am on the wrestling team.

OK, thats good (wrestling) The odds are against you but Strake Jesuit can beat Marshall. Good luck.

[KTTex]

thegreatsebabo
“Katy doesn't pull out starters for all you people about to make excuses, dalton, king, dean, fuda, thompson.. they are all in the whole game”

I’ve been to every Katy game this year - the above is not true.

“We didn’t play at Rhodes because we woulda lost that home field advantage.
(1 hr drive to katy = no1 showing up)"

I’ve been to some of your games and your crowd didn’t show up in your own stadium.

“woulda lost “ = that’s TRUE your stadium - Rhodes stadium - any stadium - back alley

The Katy Tigers “woulda” beat Strake!


Good luck against Marshall - Sincerely - I hope you kids win.

[thegreatsebabo]

Katy ROTATES its starters.. my mistake. But you have to admit.. against elsik defense was on the whole time. And yes, Katy > Strake

[rwilleby]

If Ball were Strake they would still be playing. This was an attendance zone issue that Strake does not have to worry about.
Okay... That's a very good point... And I might add, right on the money because it takes any comparison out of the picture...

For the record, I'm not a pro- or anti- private... I am pro Katy 100%... I just don't know the history of how privates have interacted in other states and what the results have been... So is there a way the Publics and Privates can live together in the same universe? What rules would make sense if they can?

Since I admit my ignorance, I seem to see merits to both sides of the discussion and just wanted to know more...

We can start a new thread if we need to... But either way we should be able to have a decent discussion by all who care to discuss it... I'm not looking to start any arguments or name calling... I'm just curious...

[KTTex]

Katy ROTATES its starters.. my mistake. But you have to admit.. against elsik defense was on the whole time. And yes, Katy > Strake


The Elsik game: there were a few "zebra" issues if you were there

The ref admitted it. Said but "look at the score" like who cares.

I don't care - Katy won.

Good luck with your wrestling career.

Good luck to Strake Jesuit in the first playoff game.
Represent 19-5A with your heads held high.

[Tigerjag]

Katy ROTATES its starters.. my mistake. But you have to admit.. against elsik defense was on the whole time. And yes, Katy > Strake

You're still mistaken. Our twos and threes may play like starters, but they aren't.

[Texas Bob]

Okay... That's a very good point... And I might add, right on the money because it takes any comparison out of the picture...

For the record, I'm not a pro- or anti- private... I am pro Katy 100%... I just don't know the history of how privates have interacted in other states and what the results have been... So is there a way the Publics and Privates can live together in the same universe? What rules would make sense if they can?

Since I admit my ignorance, I seem to see merits to both sides of the discussion and just wanted to know more...

We can start a new thread if we need to... But either way we should be able to have a decent discussion by all who care to discuss it... I'm not looking to start any arguments or name calling... I'm just curious...

Actually I'm kind of burnout on this subject. I've never live in a state with a public / private mix. We only have to look toward Lousianna for an example. But then, Texas is not Lousianna in any form. I was told Tennessee allowed private school totally into the public school league and 10 years later put them back out on their own because of problems that develped later. However I dont have personal knowlege of that situation.

I'm sure if you start a new thread they will come. There several already out there.

[rwilleby]

Actually I'm kind of burnout on this subject. I've never live in a state with a public / private mix. We only have to look toward Lousianna for an example. But then, Texas is not Lousianna in any form. I was told Tennessee allowed private school totally into the public school league and 10 years later put them back out on their own because of problems that develped later. However I dont have personal knowlege of that situation.

I'm sure if you start a new thread they will come. There several already out there.
Fair enough...

[Power83]

I just don't know the history of how privates have interacted in other states and what the results have been... So is there a way the Publics and Privates can live together in the same universe? What rules would make sense if they can?


Not to start a great debate on this topic - just giving you some information - Private and public schools compete together in 41 states. Over the last few years a few of the states have passed legislation to govern this activity - these states do/did not have governing bodies such as the UIL - some of them have successfully passed legislation with similar rules to Texas' UIL.

In most of the states the private schools do not dominate in the largest class in football - there are a few states where private schools have strong programs in the lower divisions. In quite a few of the "basketball states" private schools do dominate in basketball on all levels - this is why governing bodies are being established. Texas probably has the best governing body for high school athletics - it's not a government beauracracy and it's not accountable to elected officials - both of which probably have more pros than cons.

If you ask anyone about private school domination in football I can promise you they will only be able to come up with a select few schools that we continually here over and over. I'm not going to try and force my opinions of private schools off on anyone, but what I would like to say is Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit are not going to compromise the Jesuit philosophy to have a winning football program or basketball program or track team or whatever. These schools have been around for a long time and they receive almost double the applicants that can be accepted - they have always had waiting list and they always will - not because of a football program or basketball program, but because of their philosophy on education.

[rwilleby]

Not to start a great debate on this topic - just giving you some information
Thanks...

Back to topic... Looking forward to the game Friday night...

[jgg050759]

If Ball were Strake they would still be playing. This was an attendance zone issue that Strake does not have to worry about.

You're wrong here, Bob. Jesuit kids that come from outside of our attendance zone (yes, we do have one), must wait a year before being eligible for varsity competition. That's exactly what happened in the Ball situtation as I understand it, he had not been there for a year yet. I'm not sure why you have such an axe to grind with Jesuit (especially given the complimentary things you said in an earlier post), but you seem to keep going back and plugging away time after time. :confused:

[Tut]

You're wrong here, Bob. Jesuit kids that come from outside of our attendance zone (yes, we do have one), must wait a year before being eligible for varsity competition. That's exactly what happened in the Ball situtation as I understand it, he had not been there for a year yet. I'm not sure why you have such an axe to grind with Jesuit (especially given the complimentary things you said in an earlier post), but you seem to keep going back and plugging away time after time. :confused:
What is your attedance zone and when did everyone on the team move into it?

[SuperBuffs]

Tomorrow's Game: AT A GLANCE
Home Field: Strake Jesuit....the Westpark Tollway goes right by Crump Stadium. I would expect FB Marshall supporters to make that trek to Alief,TX., but Strake is closer. The Stampede Marching Band will take up the slack.

Odd Surprises: FB Marshall's Band will be penalized or warned....count on it. Strake will come up with a new way to slow the game down....no doubt.

Injuries: None worth mentioning, everyone has dings this time of the season

Strategy:
FORT BEND THURGOOD MARSHALL BUFFALO SOLDIERS:
I would look for the Buffalo Soldiers to try and exploit the Crusaders both way starters.....could a NO-HUDDLE offense be put into play? The goal is to see how much stream they can run out of the 2-way players. Defense....BLITZ, BLITZ and.....oh yeah...BLITZ.

STRAKE JESUIT CRUSADERS:
Look for Strake to run the football to the right....ALOT, their best defense is to hold on to the ball.

The Crusader will move slowly out of the huddle to burn clock. The surprise plays will be used: look for FLEA-FLICKERS and HALFBACK OPTIONS....

Johnathon Moore will be playing every position, except concessions.

Defense...Strake will spread the field forcing the Buffs to run the ball....long drives hoping for turnovers.

RESULTS: The game will be interesting in the first half as the teams figure it out. FB Marshall will explode in the second half as Strake loses energy....Unless Strake gets turnovers....

FINAL: FB Marshall 48
Strake Jesuit 14

[Power83]

What is your attedance zone and when did everyone on the team move into it?

The attendance zone is Sharpstown High School. The UIL rule is you must attend the school for year before you are eligible for varsity competition.

Many students of magnet and charter schools do not live in the attendance zone or even the district of the school they attend. The Jesuits are under the same rule as these schools. This is not a secret and it is allowed.

[FreshmanTiger]

You're wrong here, Bob. Jesuit kids that come from outside of our attendance zone (yes, we do have one), must wait a year before being eligible for varsity competition. That's exactly what happened in the Ball situtation as I understand it, he had not been there for a year yet. I'm not sure why you have such an axe to grind with Jesuit (especially given the complimentary things you said in an earlier post), but you seem to keep going back and plugging away time after time. :confused:


The one you have that must wait is he the hot QB that transfered from Baytown Lee? He is sitting out his Jr. year. From what I have heard you will have a good passing attack next year and this boys family is getting what they want and that is a good education for their son. :)

[Power83]

"FB Marshall's Band will be penalized or warned....count on it. Strake will come up with a new way to slow the game down....no doubt."

I believe the "Marshall Band" has already received penalties and numerous warnings - there is a UIL rule governing excessive noise. If the Marshall Band was smart they would take note of how the Katy Band supports their team - although I consider it excessive at times, they are merely playing spirited songs to help their team.

[Power83]

"Johnathon Moore will be playing every position, except concessions."

You obviously don't know much about the Crusaders - Moore went down three weeks ago and didn't play in the last two games. I have no idea if he will be back, but even if he is he will not be at 100%, so I hope you guys aren't using attacking him as your strategy. Or better yet, go ahead and keep working on that one.

[SuperBuffs]

"FB Marshall's Band will be penalized or warned....count on it. Strake will come up with a new way to slow the game down....no doubt."

I believe the "Marshall Band" has already received penalties and numerous warnings - there is a UIL rule governing excessive noise. If the Marshall Band was smart they would take note of how the Katy Band supports their team - although I consider it excessive at times, they are merely playing spirited songs to help their team.

In the words of the late, great, Ray Charles, "I'M GONNA MAKE IT DO WHAT IT DO BABY, YEAH!"

I would not look for that kind of, "PLAYING SPIRITED SONGS" stuff. However, I like the ESPN theme....that's good school spirit music.

[Power83]

The one you have that must wait is he the hot QB that transfered from Baytown Lee? He is sitting out his Jr. year. From what I have heard you will have a good passing attack next year and this boys family is getting what they want and that is a good education for their son. :)

Shows how much you know - he is a sophomore and he's from Baytown - even if he was eligible this year he would not have been the varsity starting QB - no kid can walk in and take away the QB job of a 2 year starter. Guess you haven't noticed but we have a pretty good passing attack this year with Bandy who I might add did step up his sophomore and prove himself in the wake of injuries to the 1st and 2nd string QBs - because he played his freshmen year and knew the offense.

[Fleeman93]

Are magnet schools always magnet schools or do they lose that status after time?

[SuperBuffs]

"Johnathon Moore will be playing every position, except concessions."

You obviously don't know much about the Crusaders - Moore went down three weeks ago and didn't play in the last two games. I have no idea if he will be back, but even if he is he will not be at 100%, so I hope you guys aren't using attacking him as your strategy. Or better yet, go ahead and keep working on that one.


I hear Moore is going to play, he may not be kicking.....but Marshall is going on the assumption that he is playing......if he is not in this game......

FB Marshall 60
Strake Jesuit 0

[Fleeman93]

If you ask anyone about private school domination in football I can promise you they will only be able to come up with a select few schools that we continually here over and over. I'm not going to try and force my opinions of private schools off on anyone, but what I would like to say is Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit are not going to compromise the Jesuit philosophy to have a winning football program or basketball program or track team or whatever. These schools have been around for a long time and they receive almost double the applicants that can be accepted - they have always had waiting list and they always will - not because of a football program or basketball program, but because of their philosophy on education.

What happened to the Romans? They were the most dominate civilization ever (relatively speaking), yet they fell apart. Do you know why?

[FreshmanTiger]

I admit I don't know much about your football program. I just love football and I have friends who are old Strake. I can't tell you all the names of the varsity at Katy or their stats. I just know the ones from my son's team that come over and eat us out of house and home. :)

[FreshmanTiger]

Shows how much you know - he is a sophomore and he's from Baytown - even if he was eligible this year he would not have been the varsity starting QB - no kid can walk in and take away the QB job of a 2 year starter. Guess you haven't noticed but we have a pretty good passing attack this year with Bandy who I might add did step up his sophomore and prove himself in the wake of injuries to the 1st and 2nd string QBs - because he played his freshmen year and knew the offense.

I admit I don't know much about your football program. I just love football and I have friends who are old Strake. I can't tell you all the names of the varsity at Katy or their stats. I just know the ones from my son's team that come over and eat us out of house and home. :)

Post so you know what I am responding too.

[Power83]

In the words of the late, great, Ray Charles, "I'M GONNA MAKE IT DO WHAT IT DO BABY, YEAH!"

I would not look for that kind of, "PLAYING SPIRITED SONGS" stuff. However, I like the ESPN theme....that's good school spirit music.

Well I guess what I said was right then - "they should take note of the Katy Band" especially since it's a football game and not a band competition.

Personally I think the Katy Band could make a killing teaching other high school bands what you're "supposed to do". Would be a great fund raiser - but I guess they're smart because they keep those tricks to themselves - and it works great.

I'm actually excited that the Katy fans are coming to our game to cheer us on - and I'm hoping the Green Fans will take note. The most impressive thing at a Katy game is when something good happens everyone yells (at the same time) and when something bad happens they go "OHHHH" (again at the same time). The stands at most games only half the people are watching then when that half starts cheering - the other half joins in not having a clue as to what they're yelling about.

[SuperBuffs]

Originally Posted by Power83
I would like to say is Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit are not going to compromise the Jesuit philosophy to have a winning football program or basketball program or track team or whatever. - not because of a football program or basketball program, but because of their philosophy on education.

Don't be fooled Power, in places like Chicago and New Orleans, the school systems are so bad, the Privates school are a way of life.

It takes money to make a successful sports program and you don't want to take it from the school's operations fund.

So you build a winning sports program by seeking the best talent, and promising a great education. (Do you really believe that Isiah Thomas is Catholic?),(How about Kenny Smith?)

Your great talent gives you a winning program which filled the stands which increases support which generates revenue. Oooohhh money!

It's not that hard to understand, Strake knows what they are doing.....or they could have just joined Districts with Sharpstown and Lee in it. You know....for the sake of friendly competition....

I'M NOT MAD AT YA......Do it Crusaders.

[jgg050759]

Are magnet schools always magnet schools or do they lose that status after time?

Don't know for sure, but I don't see any reason why not unless whatever the program is gets offered elsewhere in the district later.

[Drake]

The one you have that must wait is he the hot QB that transfered from Baytown Lee? He is sitting out his Jr. year. From what I have heard you will have a good passing attack next year and this boys family is getting what they want and that is a good education for their son. :)Finally! A post on a topic I know enough about to make an informative response on...

The "hot" QB you refer to only left Baytown Lee because his parents went looking for alternatives when they became disillusioned with the lack of academic motivation being instilled in the students there. After all, if a parent were only interested in football and their son was a quarterback, WHY would they leave Baytown Lee, the top Quarterback high school in the country?* Especially considering Coach Olin moved him to the varsity at Baytown Lee in his 5th game as a freshman.

What you may not have heard is Strake Jesuit has a good passing attack THIS YEAR and even if the kid from Baytown Lee had been eligible, he would not have been the quarterback as he is only the 2nd or 3rd best quarterback currently in the program...

Now at least you have the facts, spin it anyway you want.

*Before last year, Baytown Lee had 5 straight D1 scholarship QBs: Jerome Alfred Baylor/Arena League, Clint Stoerner Arkansas/Dallas Cowboys, El Roberson Kansas State/All-American, Drew Tate Iowa/1st Team ALL Big Ten, Brian Johnson Utah/Current Starter

[SuperBuffs]

Don't know for sure, but I don't see any reason why not unless whatever the program is gets offered elsewhere in the district later.

Well, since 1989, Jack Yates has been a magnet school for Broadcasting, and as far as I know....they still have their Media Center.

[SuperBuffs]

Well I guess what I said was right then - "they should take note of the Katy Band" especially since it's a football game and not a band competition.

You do have much to learn, but this is not the forum for it.....just know this...it takes all kinds to make the world whole. What works for Katy does not work for FB Marshall.....btw, High School is a microcosm?.

If you watch BET or PAX, check out their football games sometimes.....you will see what I mean.

[FreshmanTiger]

Finally! A post on a topic I know enough about to make an informative response on...

The "hot" QB you refer to only left Baytown Lee because his parents went looking for alternatives when they became disillusioned with the lack of academic motivation being instilled in the students there. After all, if a parent were only interested in football and their son was a quarterback, WHY would they leave Baytown Lee, the top Quarterback high school in the country?* Especially considering Coach Olin moved him to the varsity at Baytown Lee in his 5th game as a freshman.

What you may not have heard is Strake Jesuit has a good passing attack THIS YEAR and even if the kid from Baytown Lee had been eligible, he would not have been the quarterback as he is only the 2nd or 3rd best quarterback currently in the program...

Now at least you have the facts, spin it anyway you want.

*Before last year, Baytown Lee had 5 straight D1 scholarship QBs: Jerome Alfred Baylor/Arena League, Clint Stoerner Arkansas/Dallas Cowboys, El Roberson Kansas State/All-American, Drew Tate Iowa/1st Team ALL Big Ten, Brian Johnson Utah/Current Starter

I did not say he was going to be your starter. You already have a good starter, but with any winning program you need to have people to reload. I am glad his parents thought more of his high school years than just being a football player. But you have to admit he does have something special to bring to the field in the upcoming years.

[BigtimeO-line]

well...
I'm just going to let all of you know, that we will win Friday, by atleast 2 TD's, maybe 3 if Strake's kicker actually kicks the ball in bounds where we can actually catch it...
That NFL kicker shouldn't be allowed to kick ALL of the balls out the back of the endzone, lol thats unfair....
GO BUFFS!!!!!!!!!

[KatyTigerDad0407]

FINAL: FB Marshall 48
Strake Jesuit 14

You can not keep changing your prediction. This one is way off. You did better when you were more objectionable and unbiased.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

The attendance zone is Sharpstown High School. The UIL rule is you must attend the school for year before you are eligible for varsity competition.


The demographics of that entire area has changes dramatically. I attended Neff, Sharpstown Jr. and Sr. I was freinds with several Jusuit students as our common institution was St Francis Desales. Sharpstown Sr. was a great school in 5a Athlectics back then. I believe they laid big goose egg in 4a this year. Fond memories from the old days though.

[Power83]

The demographics of that entire area has changes dramatically. I attended Neff, Sharpstown Jr. and Sr. I was freinds with several Jusuit students as our common institution was St Francis Desales. Sharpstown Sr. was a great school in 5a Athlectics back then. I believe they laid big goose egg in 4a this year. Fond memories from the old days though.

It's a shame what a few years and a bunch of apartments can do to an area. It's really sad there still are some nice houses in the Sharpstown area but they are surrounded by trash. A couple of my son's friends have grandparents that still live out there - I don't think I'd want my elderly parents in that area. We get a good number of great kids from St Francis Desales.

[Power83]

You do have much to learn, but this is not the forum for it.....just know this...it takes all kinds to make the world whole. What works for Katy does not work for FB Marshall.....btw, High School is a microcosm?.

If you watch BET or PAX, check out their football games sometimes.....you will see what I mean.

I watch the games you refer to - and I don't think their band has anything to do with how well the football team plays.

I was merely making a statement that a band can either hurt a school or help. Katy's band doesn't get warnings or penalties - quite the contrary - they actually give their team a positive advantage. Marshall on the other hand puts on one he!! of a halftime show, but they are a detriment to their team when the team gets a personal foul because they're being unsportsmanlike - can't remember which game it was but that happened this year. And, they have repeatedly been warned.

If I'm a coach or a player - I tell the band to chill out - it should only take one time a season, not once or twice a game - that's disrespectful to the players and the coaches - not to mention Marshall already plays with high intensity and the players manage to get enough penalties on their own.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I don't think the Marshall Band will hurt their team tommorrow. I'm sure they are aware of the fact that it's win or go home and would not want to be a detriment to their team. This is their first post season also. But when the boys are in the locker room, look out. I wish it were tonight. I'm ready.

[Drake]

I've never seen a band draw an unsportsmanlike penalty. What kind of things can a band do to get a penalty? Is it 15 yards against their football team?

[BigtimeO-line]

yeah, it only happened to our band once, during a game against Fort Bend Bush which was right after the "Rita" week... i dont know why it was unsportsmanlike, our band always plays during the game, just because we were beating them 41-0, doesn't mean they can just throw a flag, because the other teams feelings were hurt,...
it has never happened since then, and i haven't seen that head official again...

[hey]

Finally! A post on a topic I know enough about to make an informative response on...

The "hot" QB you refer to only left Baytown Lee because his parents went looking for alternatives when they became disillusioned with the lack of academic motivation being instilled in the students there. After all, if a parent were only interested in football and their son was a quarterback, WHY would they leave Baytown Lee, the top Quarterback high school in the country?* Especially considering Coach Olin moved him to the varsity at Baytown Lee in his 5th game as a freshman.

What you may not have heard is Strake Jesuit has a good passing attack THIS YEAR and even if the kid from Baytown Lee had been eligible, he would not have been the quarterback as he is only the 2nd or 3rd best quarterback currently in the program...

Now at least you have the facts, spin it anyway you want.

*Before last year, Baytown Lee had 5 straight D1 scholarship QBs: Jerome Alfred Baylor/Arena League, Clint Stoerner Arkansas/Dallas Cowboys, El Roberson Kansas State/All-American, Drew Tate Iowa/1st Team ALL Big Ten, Brian Johnson Utah/Current Starter

This is true but the Baytown Lee kid is not even the best qb in the sophmore class...Jeff McVaney is much better but hes playing fullback on varsity now.

[Power83]

I've never seen a band draw an unsportsmanlike penalty. What kind of things can a band do to get a penalty? Is it 15 yards against their football team?

The UIL has rules against disrupting a game through excessive noise - fans can't have bells or whistles, etc. - nothing that would cause a play to stop. The consequences for breaking the rule varies. It's not common but I've seen it happen - if the school band is causing the noise it is a 15 yard penalty - if the crowd is causing the noise they are warned and the team loses a timeout for each warning, if there are no timeouts or when they run out of timeouts then there is a 5-yard penalty for each warning.

I think the rule actually came about from college games that got out of hand. Then it became an acceptable part of the game, but only if you do it like Katy does - through spirited songs which can give your team an advantage, then nothing will happen. If you just bang on drums and blow horns - then you're asking for trouble. If the refs can't hear each other to control the game - you're gonna get the penalty. If a player/coach complains - you might get a warning then penalty or they may just give the penalty.

[hey]

Didn't Marshall's band get a few penalties against Hightower?

[Power83]

This is true but the Baytown Lee kid is not even the best qb in the sophmore class...Jeff McVaney is much better but hes playing fullback on varsity now.

I will agree that McVaney is good at the running game, but Jones is also good at the running game and has a good arm. I see McVaney as the starting fullback next year and Jones as the QB - just my opinion.

[hey]

I will agree that McVaney is good at the running game, but Jones is also good at the running game and has a good arm. I see McVaney as the starting fullback next year and Jones as the QB - just my opinion.

Ya, that could still work.

[Power83]

Didn't Marshall's band get a few penalties against Hightower?

This might be one of the games they got warnings - I heard that happened a few times this year. I was told they got a warning and a penalty in one game and several warnings then a penalty in another - but that's third-person coming from another Fort Bend Coach - he was saying this happened to Willowridge a few years back and it was the first time he had seen it and he had not seen it since then, so he was surprised that this had happened to Marshall more than once in a season.

[Drake]

This is true but the Baytown Lee kid is not even the best qb in the sophmore class...Jeff McVaney is much better but hes playing fullback on varsity now.I will agree that McVaney is good at the running game, but Jones is also good at the running game and has a good arm. I see McVaney as the starting fullback next year and Jones as the QB - just my opinion.I disagree with Power83. If McVaney is much better then he should be the QB next year because its probably the one position that most characterizes a team. Both kids seem to have the toughness, intelligence, and leadership required to bring that character, so a lot will probably be worked out in the spring and during 7 on 7.

However! Thats next year and we gotta start getting juiced about tomorrow night! I'm getting a better feeling about our chances for an upset the closer the game gets!

Go Crusaders!

[rwilleby]

I disagree with Power83. If McVaney is much better then he should be the QB next year because its probably the one position that most characterizes a team. Both kids seem to have the toughness, intelligence, and leadership required to bring that character, so a lot will probably be worked out in the spring and during 7 on 7.

However! Thats next year and we gotta start getting juiced about tomorrow night! I'm getting a better feeling about our chances for an upset the closer the game gets!

Go Crusaders!
ANYTHING can happen on any given day... just ask SLC and CLEAR LAKE...

I'M READY FOR A LITTLE RED AND GREEN, MYSELF... :)

[AZTiger]

I'M READY FOR A LITTLE RED AND GREEN, MYSELF... :)

yeah i'm read for Christmas too ;)

[Power83]

I disagree with Power83. If McVaney is much better then he should be the QB next year because its probably the one position that most characterizes a team. Both kids seem to have the toughness, intelligence, and leadership required to bring that character, so a lot will probably be worked out in the spring and during 7 on 7.

However! Thats next year and we gotta start getting juiced about tomorrow night! I'm getting a better feeling about our chances for an upset the closer the game gets!

Go Crusaders!

McVaney and Jones are pretty equal when it comes to the running game, but I don't know of anyone that thinks McVaney has an arm comparable to Jones. But you're right we will see in the Spring and at 7 on 7. I think the next few years are gonna be promising for the Crusaders no matter which district we land in.

[Drake]

McVaney and Jones are pretty equal when it comes to the running game, but I don't know of anyone that thinks McVaney has an arm comparable to Jones. But you're right we will see in the Spring and at 7 on 7. I think the next few years are gonna be promising for the Crusaders no matter which district we land in.Well, since I'm sure some Strake Jesuit players read this board, I prefer to leave it at their both great kids, as are most that I've encountered at the school...

[rwilleby]

yeah i'm read for Christmas too ;)
I like it when we play in December... A little warmup for the vocals never hurt...

[rwilleby]

Nice story about Bandy in the Katy Courier...

http://www.katycourier.com/sports/319819120257835.php

[AZTiger]

meh, not a subscriber, and none of the bugmenot.com accounts work

[StrakeJesuit07]

Nice story about Bandy in the Katy Courier...

http://www.katycourier.com/sports/319819120257835.php


would it be possible for you to paste the text here? i cant access it. thanks, see yall tomorrow

[rwilleby]

meh, not a subscriber, and none of the bugmenot.com accounts work

From the Katy Courier

In the same city, but with a different team


In the same city, but with a different team

By R.J. COOPER

rcooper@katycourier.com

Tim Bandy followed in his brother Mike's footsteps to Strake Jesuit and became a quarterback — just like his older sibling.

But this Friday, Tim Bandy will be leading the Crusaders somewhere they have never been before — the UIL playoffs.

The Bandy family lives in Katy — in the Taylor attendance zone, and Tim played football for McMeans Junior High growing up. But when he entered high school in 2002, his parents wanted him to attend Strake — where Mike was quarterbacking the Crusaders to an 8-3 record, throwing for 897 yards and nine touchdowns.

In 2003, Strake's first and second-string quarterbacks suffered injuries, forcing coach Ron Counter to call up Tim Bandy from the sophomore team. He played in Strake's third game of the season and has been the starter ever since.

The Crusaders went 9-2 that year, and Tim Bandy passed for 1,095 yards and nine touchdowns.

Then before the 2004 season, Strake was admitted into the UIL, becoming the first private school to do so along with Dallas Jesuit. And UIL placed the Crusaders in District 19-5A, pitting Tim Bandy against former teammates and foes from those junior high days.

"I didn't really know what to expect," Tim Bandy said of the Crusaders' foray into the public sphere. "We struggled."

Strake went 4-6 and 2-5 in district play, losing to Mayde Creek, Katy High and Katy Taylor. Tim Bandy's numbers dropped to 919 passing yards and four touchdowns, but the Crusaders upset playoff-bound Cinco Ranch in the final game of the year, setting the stage for this season's emergence into the UIL playoff picture.

Entering the 2005 campaign, Counter and his staff expected Strake to be better and have a shot at a playoff berth, but even the Strake coach didn't anticipate the amount of success the Crusaders have experienced this season with Bandy at the helm.

"This is a fantastic season. I don't think anybody would have predicted that we were going to go 8-1 before the season started," Counter said. "I thought we had a shot to make the playoffs if we kept everybody healthy because we don't have much depth. But we've had more injuries than any year I've been here."

Starting tailback Grant Jefferson, who rushed for 130 yards and two touchdowns in the opener, hasn't played since the first week of the season. But in this, his senior season, Tim Bandy has thrown for career-bests in yards (1,191) and touchdowns (11) as Strake went 8-1 and 5-1 in district — good enough for second place and a first-round matchup with Fort Bend Marshall.

"It's been a great run. I knew we had the potential at the beginning of the year, but I didn't think we would end up like we have," Tim Bandy said. "It's going to be exciting.

"At the beginning of the year, if they would have told me that our starting running back would have been injured and we would have had this many injuries, I wouldn't think we would be 8-1, but we are."

Along the way, Tim Bandy got to beat neighbors and friends Wayne McNeil and Drew LaFleur, who start for Taylor's defense at defensive back and linebacker, respectively.

"It's always good to be here (at Rhodes Stadium) in front of friends and family in Katy," Tim Bandy said after Strake's 23-20 win over Taylor. "It's fun to know the people that I am playing against, and it pushes me to want to play my best."

Bandy and company will certainly have to be at their best against undefeated Marshall this Friday, but whatever the outcome, he has no regrets about taking the private-school route to the postseason.

"I'm glad that I play for Strake even though a lot of my friends and the guys I grew up with go to Katy schools," he said. "I have a lot of faith in the guys around me to be able to make big plays, and they have done so all season."

— Katy Courier sports writer Jenny Dial contributed to this story.

[rwilleby]

Now, if you're lucky enough to get the real paper, like I do... The article continues, about half way through to page 5B... but when you get to page 5B... Nothing... 6B nothing... 4B nothing... 3B nothing... 2B nothing... had to go online to finish reading the darn article... what a sloppy paper...

[BigtimeO-line]

This might be one of the games they got warnings - I heard that happened a few times this year. I was told they got a warning and a penalty in one game and several warnings then a penalty in another - but that's third-person coming from another Fort Bend Coach - he was saying this happened to Willowridge a few years back and it was the first time he had seen it and he had not seen it since then, so he was surprised that this had happened to Marshall more than once in a season.

No!!!! Trust me, our band has only recieved ONE penalty, a few warnings every now and then, but their definately not just doing it to make noise, they are actually playing "music", they play for the people who will get bored with the game, so they play music to keep the fans up-beat and focused....
not to mention the players... we love when they play...

[StrakeJesuit07]

thats for posting that, nice little article

[AZTiger]

No!!!! Trust me, our band has only recieved ONE penalty, a few warnings every now and then, but their definately not just doing it to make noise, they are actually playing "music", they play for the people who will get bored with the game, so they play music to keep the fans up-beat and focused....
not to mention the players... we love when they play...

wow, with what we've heard from SuperBuffs about the EXPLOSIVE Marshall offense, how is that possible for people to get bored with so much excitement?

[ktCarl]

You are issued valium at the gate of FB Marshall games. How else can one live through the excitement?

[Amused]

Thank you very much for posting that rwilleby.

[rwilleby]

Thank you very much for posting that rwilleby.
Nice story... you're welcome...

[rwilleby]

they are actually playing "music", they play for the people who will get bored with the game, so they play music to keep the fans up-beat and focused....
AZTiger, just what I thought when I read his post... :)

Now, I have to say I'm really looking forward to this game, and the halftime show... Should be interesting...

[Power83]

rwilleby -

I'm just wondering if you ever sleep? One day you're posting late into the night then another you're posting at 4:45AM - or is it that you just eat, drink and sleep football?

[UT66]

I have seen Strake play 3 times this year and havent seen Marshall at all. Based on scouting reports and watching Strake, I am going to be surprised of Strake can pull this one off. I have been amazed all year at how Strake manages to hang in there through the 4th qtr with so little depth. I can assure you that there players are conditioned far more than you would think. They have not been tested by anyone in 19-5A that has a really high powered offense (they did not play Katy). Marshall has more depth and more speed and my bet is that the speed will wear down the Strake defense. I'm gonna pick Marshall but this game could be closer than most expect. The SJ boys just seem to hang around long enough to get a mistake in the 4th qtr that turns the game. Even in their only loss to Cinco, they had the game won in the fourth quarter against a good defensive team but a great hit at the goal line caused a fumble into the end zone which allowed Cinco to run out the clock. They could easily be undefeated but in a weak district. This game will show us the REAL Strake team.

[Fleeman93]

Will the real jesuit team please stand up, please stand up. Ok, sit back down your season is over.

[flipper]

Seen FB Marshall threes times this season, early, mid, and last game of season. I have not seen Strake, I have seen Katy.

Marshall both early and mid-season was sloppy, alot of mistakes, dumb penalities. The last game of the season I felt they looked much better, much better execution by all team members, both on offense and defense. Alot of improvement on defense. Dropped alot of balls in last game however.

Katy, well there Katy, as good as last year? Not sure, I didn't think so, although dual threat much improved for sure.

Team speed, no doubt, edge goes to Marshall. Team execution, well if Marshall plays as capable and concentrates on football versus trash talk it's a tie.

Without seeing Strake but familiar with there very good season performance I predict Strake will wet there pants when Thomas carries the ball and is 30 yards downfield before anyone establishes an angle.

Best of luck to both teams, Marshall 34 Strake 10.

[rwilleby]

rwilleby -

I'm just wondering if you ever sleep? One day you're posting late into the night then another you're posting at 4:45AM - or is it that you just eat, drink and sleep football?
Actually, I do... Usually I'm in bed by 9:00 (sometimes 7:30-8:00... Get up a 4:00... Do a lot of work at home... Computer stuff... So I'm usually in front of a computer somewhere... Like now, at a customer, waiting on a drive to copy... Killing time...

Only really follow High School, basically Katy... Don't care for pro or college... Bad experience in my youth... (not really bad, but just don't care for it)...

It's not as bad as it seems... I can quit any time... Really, I can...

[nate]

c) It isn't a guaranteed win for marshall, marshall has weak defense, strake has 2nd best defense in district (2nd to cinco who was 1st in the city). Marshall has fantastic offense, bad defense. Strake has good offense and solid defense.


You really think Strake's defense is better than Katy's? Wow.

[Drake]

Will the real jesuit team please stand up, please stand up. Ok, sit back down your season is over.Flea... (can't think of anything smaller)

Your contempt for Strake Jesuit is widely known and well documented (by you) on this and other boards... When and if Strake Jesuit bows from the 5A playoffs, I hope it makes you feel as good as you act like it will... Even the Grinch's heart would have been warmed by SJ's season of over-achievement and school firsts'... BUT, not yours... Your adherence to your bitterness has been impressive... Actually, you should secretly pull for SJ so you'll get at least another week to express it...

What's funny is - your posts involving Strake Jesuit in general and this game in particular have been so devoid of tact, I believe even some Marshall fans are pulling for Strake Jesuit just so you're WRONG! :D

[Fleeman93]

You really think Strake's defense is better than Katy's? Wow.

I glossed over the "the jesuits have the second best defense in district to Cinco" comment. Anyone, and I mean anyone, that thinks that for half a second is out of their high school football loving mind. I know the numbers say that the jesuits were number 2 in district, but we all know that is not the case. Had the jesuits played Katy their defensive averages would have went through the roof. the jesuits play good defense, but nowhere near Katy.

[Fleeman93]

Flea... (can't think of anything smaller)

Your contempt for Strake Jesuit is widely known and well documented (by you) on this and other boards... When and if Strake Jesuit bows from the 5A playoffs, I hope it makes you feel as good as you act like it will... Even the Grinch's heart would have been warmed by SJ's season of over-achievement and school firsts'... BUT, not yours... Your adherence to your bitterness has been impressive... Actually, you should secretly pull for SJ so you'll get at least another week to express it...

What funny is your posts involving Strake Jesuit in general and this game in particular have been so devoid of tact, I believe even some Marshall fans are pulling for Strake Jesuit just so you're WRONG! :D

The only thing that would have made the jesuits losing this week to Marshall any better would have been if the jesuits didn't make the playoffs at all. Had they played all of their games then there would have been a good chance of that. Go Marshall! Beat the crap out of the jesuits! Hey look I am cheering for a team other than Katy.

[Drake]

I rest my case...

[jgg050759]

The only thing that would have made the jesuits losing this week to Marshall any better would have been if the jesuits didn't make the playoffs at all. Had they played all of their games then there would have been a good chance of that. Go Marshall! Beat the crap out of the jesuits! Hey look I am cheering for a team other than Katy.

Your degree is obviously not in Math!! Let's see...assume a loss to Katy. That puts Jesuit at 5 - 2 in district. everyone else has at least 3 losses. By my count, that puts Jesuit exactly where they are right now...#2 seed in D2.

[rwilleby]

Your degree is obviously not in Math!! Let's see...assume a loss to Katy. That puts Jesuit at 5 - 2 in district. everyone else has at least 3 losses. By my count, that puts Jesuit exactly where they are right now...#2 seed in D2.
Gee, I was thinking the same thing... Go SJ from this Katy Dad...

[rellufnalla]

Actually, I do... Usually I'm in bed by 9:00 (sometimes 7:30-8:00... Get up a 4:00... Do a lot of work at home... Computer stuff... So I'm usually in front of a computer somewhere... Like now, at a customer, waiting on a drive to copy... Killing time...

Only really follow High School, basically Katy... Don't care for pro or college... Bad experience in my youth... (not really bad, but just don't care for it)...

It's not as bad as it seems... I can quit any time... Really, I can...


There are a lot worse things to be hooked on, specifically on the internet.

[Fleeman93]

How many times have we seen Katy spank a team that thinks they are good and then they fold up like a cheap tent. Look what the jesuits did to Cinco last year after Katy beat what then was a good Cinco team. I know it is a huge assumption but the jesuits barely one a couple of those games anyway.

[pbox]

FLea,FLea, Flea,
You are killing me with your humor! I am wondering have you always lived in Katy?

[rwilleby]

How many times have we seen Katy spank a team that thinks they are good and then they fold up like a cheap tent. Look what the jesuits did to Cinco last year after Katy beat what then was a good Cinco team. I know it is a huge assumption but the jesuits barely one a couple of those games anyway.
But SJ's not playing Katy...

No question stats don't give a true picture of a teams ability or potential... that's what happens when a coach chooses not to run up the score when he knows the game is in the bag... Character, without it Katy would probably lead in all areas...

[rellufnalla]

I told the wife I was attending the Strake game. She looked at me a little funny. Like maybe I was a turncoat. Her dad was a Katy coach at one time and its ALL she knows. I told her I would still wear my Katy hat and that seemed to help. Then I reminded her that she used to root for Hastings because Bobby Stewart and her dad were close friends. I think she's ok with it now.

You gotta admire Strake for doing so well this season.

I hope to see a good show.

[Drake]

How many times have we seen Katy spank a team that thinks they are good and then they fold up like a cheap tent. Look what the jesuits did to Cinco last year after Katy beat what then was a good Cinco team. I know it is a huge assumption but the jesuits barely one a couple of those games anyway.This is what I don't get flea...

WHO ever claimed Strake Jesuit was better, or even on par with Katy's juggernaut of a team? Voicing our pride over our team, getting a little recognition, even a write up in the paper, is not a slight of the Katy Tigers... Where does that insecurity come from?

You're not the only one either... Every Katy fan that says "I hope they win two playoff games so we can play'em and mop up on' em", etc. seems to have the same insecurities...

You have one of, if not the best team in the state every year... So what if the vote took away the chance for you to whip up on one more team? Do you think that the deep animosity you tote around towards Strake Jesuit will be exorcised when we lose or you beat us? You must.

Our season goals are less than Katy's minimal expectations... Since our boys have beaten some odds and attained those goals, can't you find it in your soul to let us savor our little moment of success without trying to tarnish it?

[Power83]

I glossed over the "the jesuits have the second best defense in district to Cinco" comment. Anyone, and I mean anyone, that thinks that for half a second is out of their high school football loving mind. I know the numbers say that the jesuits were number 2 in district, but we all know that is not the case. Had the jesuits played Katy their defensive averages would have went through the roof. the jesuits play good defense, but nowhere near Katy.

Funny you say that - I recall Katy saying "funny how the two teams that haven't played Katy are 1 and 2 in district on defense - well guess what after your game with Cinco - they were still #1 and if you look at SJ's stats against Cinco - they kicked their butt, got more yards on their D than other teams and SJ's D held their offense to less yards than most of the teams they played.

[Fleeman93]

This is what I don't get flea...

WHO ever claimed Strake Jesuit was better, or even on par with Katy's juggernaut of a team? Voicing our pride over our team, getting a little recognition, even a write up in the paper, is not a slight of the Katy Tigers... Where does that insecurity come from?

Well the thing that set me off this time was this guy saying the jesuits have the second best defense in 19-5A. Had the jesuits lucked out and tied for the district title then all we would have heard was "we are district champs we are district champs." the jesuits haven't accomplished anything special this year. the jesuits are an average team in a down district. Go look at your opponents records and get back to me.

You're not the only one either... Every Katy fan that says "I hope they win two playoff games so we can play'em and mop up on' em", etc. seems to have the same insecurities...

Again, this go back to the "we are district champs we are district champs." All Katy fans have wanted was to play the game on the field and put the jesuits in their rightful place. By losing to Cinco the jesuits sort of helped to do that but obviously the jesuits still think they are something they are not.

You have one of, if not the best team in the state every year... So what if the vote took away the chance for you to whip up on one more team? Do you think that the deep animosity you tote around towards Strake Jesuit will be exorcised when we lose or you beat us? You must.

I will continue to feel the way I do about the jesuits until the day they are no longer in UIL. Not out of 5A or in another district, but out of UIL all together. Give it a couple of years when other true high school football fans catch on to what will start to happen and I will no longer be the exception and then I will be the norm.

Our season goals are less than Katy's minimal expectations... Since our boys have beaten some odds and attained those goals, can't you find it in your soul to let us savor our little moment of success without trying to tarnish it?

What success? Playing some down teams and beating them? Losing to a Cinco team that didn't even make the playoffs? How many teams did the jesuits play this year with a winning record? How many real good football teams did the jesuits beat? I don't care about your odds or goals. Do you care about Midland Lee's odds or goals? I doubt it and for good reason. Bottom line is that most likely the jesuits will finish the season with a second place finish in 19-5A, a bi district loss and an 8-2 record. I think die hard fans can look at those facts and make a fair assesment about what the jesuits accomplished.

[Power83]

The only thing that would have made the jesuits losing this week to Marshall any better would have been if the jesuits didn't make the playoffs at all. Had they played all of their games then there would have been a good chance of that. Go Marshall! Beat the crap out of the jesuits! Hey look I am cheering for a team other than Katy.

Does it make you feel like a man to tear down a group of high school kids - don't give me that cr*p that you have nothing against the boys - it's the administration - the last time I checked the admin doesn't make it out on the field.

And you're wrong - you can dream up all the scenarios you want - Cinco would have had a hell of a time beating Hastings - did everyone forget about their performances against MC and JET? It wasn't until the Elsik game that they turned things around - and all Katy's papers said it was because their coach finally switched four of the offensive linemen that week. If you didn't take note Hastings almost beat SJ then went on to win the rest of their games. Cinco didn't hadn't figured things out that early in the season. Had they played Hastings at the end of the season - they might have had a chance.

[Fleeman93]

Funny you say that - I recall Katy saying "funny how the two teams that haven't played Katy are 1 and 2 in district on defense - well guess what after your game with Cinco - they were still #1 and if you look at SJ's stats against Cinco - they kicked their butt, got more yards on their D than other teams and SJ's D held their offense to less yards than most of the teams they played.

I haven't argued the fact that Katy had the best defense in the district (although I think they do). I will give it to Cinco that they put up better numbers than Katy, but they earned my respect by doing it and playing Katy. As rwilleby said earlier, Katy could have played their #1's the entire game for every district game and put up ridiculous numbers, but numbers aren't what Katy is about. If I am not mistaken the only team to do any real damage to Katy was Elsik and I will give them credit for that.

[Power83]

How many times have we seen Katy spank a team that thinks they are good and then they fold up like a cheap tent. Look what the jesuits did to Cinco last year after Katy beat what then was a good Cinco team. I know it is a huge assumption but the jesuits barely one a couple of those games anyway.

Jesuit beating Cinco last year didn't have anything to do with the Katy loss - Cinco was playing for nothing and Jesuit was playing for pride - the reverse of this year's season.

[Fleeman93]

Does it make you feel like a man to tear down a group of high school kids - don't give me that cr*p that you have nothing against the boys - it's the administration - the last time I checked the admin doesn't make it out on the field.

When did I ever rip on the players? I respect them for getting out there and playing every Friday or Saturday night as I do every other player in the state. I am stating facts here. the jesuits have a good average team. They aren't great. They are average. Tell me why they are a great team. Because they overcame adversity? Because they have a small roster? Because they beat some down teams? They are an average football team at best. I'm not tearing them down. I'm stating what I see based on the facts that I see. Yes, I can't stand your coward of an administration. Funny that your team can't make it out on the field because of that coward of an administration.

And you're wrong - you can dream up all the scenarios you want - Cinco would have had a hell of a time beating Hastings - did everyone forget about their performances against MC and JET? It wasn't until the Elsik game that they turned things around - and all Katy's papers said it was because their coach finally switched four of the offensive linemen that week. If you didn't take note Hastings almost beat SJ then went on to win the rest of their games. Cinco didn't hadn't figured things out that early in the season. Had they played Hastings at the end of the season - they might have had a chance.

All I know is that the jesuits lost the game to Cinco that was played on the field.

[Fleeman93]

Jesuit beating Cinco last year didn't have anything to do with the Katy loss - Cinco was playing for nothing and Jesuit was playing for pride - the reverse of this year's season.

I'll take your word for it, but I just can't agree. I think Cinco beat the jesuits this year because they are a better team. the jesuits had a lot to play for this year and just got beat by a better team. If you think the jesuits had nothing to play for then think about that share of the district title and getting a 10-0 Marshall team in the first round. I promise you that the jesuits had a lot to play for.

[Power83]

"We are district champs we are district champs."

Guess what - this didn't happen and before when the teams were both undefeated - no one was saying "We're gonna be co-champs with Katy" "We're gonna be co-champs with Katy" - you might have heard that people wanted to be co-champs but we'd have been stupid not to want that - I think that's the goal of playing - do the best you can - win games - try to make it to the big show.

You really need to let it go - Katy's at the top right where everyone all a long was saying they should be and were going to be - no one said we were better than you (yeah - you can say a few kids were talking trash, that's what the kids do - let them have their fun - we all had our chance at that years ago) but we're talking about the adults here.

I bet you're really PO'd that the SJ vs. Marshall game is the game of the week on HS Scoreboard on Fox Sports SW.

[Amused]

Fleeman, are you really that vicious all the time or just when some else has an opinion?

[Amused]

Fleeman did you play ball in high school?

[pbox]

Flea
You never answered my question. Have you always lived in Katy?

[Power83]

I'll take your word for it, but I just can't agree. I think Cinco beat the jesuits this year because they are a better team. the jesuits had a lot to play for this year and just got beat by a better team. If you think the jesuits had nothing to play for then think about that share of the district title and getting a 10-0 Marshall team in the first round. I promise you that the jesuits had a lot to play for.

I don't know of anyone that has said Cinco beat the Jesuits because they had a better team? I believe most people have been saying the Jesuits outplayed them and they only showed up for one quarter - including Coach Clayton to several of the Cinco dad's - one of which I work with and he his direct statement was something like "Whew, we got lucky - if they would have showed up for the first three quarters, there would have been a different outcome!"

[rwilleby]

Every Katy fan that says "I hope they win two playoff games so we can play'em and mop up on' em", etc. seems to have the same insecurities...
I did say something like this and would like to see the two teams play... but I did not say anything like the mop up part... It's more about unfinished business than anything else... If we were in D1 I would still pull for SJ to win... I'm just speaking as one fan... You can believe me or not, but I'm not in the habit of lying... I'm going to the game tonight to pull for SJ... I really want them to win... If they do win and are out after next week, I say good finish to a good seaason... Congrats from this fan see you next year... If they plaay on and our two teaams meet... I'll pull for Katy and still wish you a good season... And see you next year...

And for the record,*SJ is the second best team in 19 5A...

[Power83]

"When did I ever rip on the players?"


"The only thing that would have made the jesuits losing this week to Marshall any better would have been if the jesuits didn't make the playoffs at all."

"Beat the crap out of the jesuits!"

Are these the two statements where you respect the kids? You sure got a funny way of showing it.

Hoping, wishing, praying, that a group of high school kids don't make the playoffs? And wanting someone to beat the cr*p out of them?

Regardless of how you feel about the administration or the school - you would think you would have enough sportsmanship to at least wish all the kids good luck and hope they do well. And don't even try to say that wish them good luck or that they do well - it wouldn't mean a d*mn thing coming from you.

The good thing is our kids are smart enough to see through people like you and not take all the negative that's been thrown at them this season to heart - I think you would have figured out by now that they actually won those games you all came to to cheer against them (not for the other team, but "against them").

[Power83]

I did say something like this and would like to see the two teams play... but I did not say anything like the mop up part... It's more about unfinished business than anything else... If we were in D1 I would still pull for SJ to win... I'm just speaking as one fan... You can believe me or not, but I'm not in the habit of lying... I'm going to the game tonight to pull for SJ... I really want them to win... If they do win and are out after next week, I say good finish to a good seaason... Congrats from this fan see you next year... If they plaay on and our two teaams meet... I'll pull for Katy and still wish you a good season... And see you next year...

And for the record,*SJ is the second best team in 19 5A...

You have proved over and over that all you really care about is the kids and this great game. I know you've probably said some negative things toward SJ but it was in defense of your team and the situation at the time and we can all appreciate that.

The only problems I see are with the people that still hold anemosity toward something they cannot change - it's over, it's dead and it doesn't need to resurface. There is nothing wrong with wanting SJ to win and make it to the Regionals to meet up with the Tigers. It would be a game that a lot of people want to see played - and it would say something about District 19-5A.

[Amused]

That's fine willeby. Strake is proud to be 2nd. It is a great accomplishment for the boys. Finishing 2nd place to Katy is good work in anybody's book.

[Fleeman93]

"We are district champs we are district champs."

Guess what - this didn't happen and before when the teams were both undefeated - no one was saying "We're gonna be co-champs with Katy" "We're gonna be co-champs with Katy" - you might have heard that people wanted to be co-champs but we'd have been stupid not to want that - I think that's the goal of playing - do the best you can - win games - try to make it to the big show.

No one was saying it because you weren't sure it was going to happen. Had the jesuits snuck their way into a co district championship situation they would have been all over themselves and we all know it. the jesuits didn't even lose to the best team in the district and still didn't win the DC.

You really need to let it go - Katy's at the top right where everyone all a long was saying they should be and were going to be - no one said we were better than you (yeah - you can say a few kids were talking trash, that's what the kids do - let them have their fun - we all had our chance at that years ago) but we're talking about the adults here.

You are exactly right that no one said you were better than Katy but due to your coward of an administration's vote then you could have tied Katy for something you didn't deserve. This in itself just rubbed me the wrong way.

I bet you're really PO'd that the SJ vs. Marshall game is the game of the week on HS Scoreboard on Fox Sports SW.

Why would I be PO'd that the jesuits and Marshall is the game of the week? Obviously those people at HS Scoreboard have no clue what they are talking about. Tell you what you can do to clarify what I am saying. Start a pole of which is a better game between Lamar and Westfield, Northshore and Pearland, and the jesuits and Marshall. Those people have no clue what a game of the week is.

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman, are you really that vicious all the time or just when some else has an opinion?

What is the opinion that I am being vicious toward?

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman did you play ball in high school?

I did my sophmore year and quite after that. One of the three worst mistakes I have ever made in my life.

[Fleeman93]

Flea
You never answered my question. Have you always lived in Katy?

I actually don't live in Katy, I live in Houston. My family moved to Katy when I was 9 and I lived there until after high school. Other than a 3 year stay in the military I have been in Houston ever since.

[Drake]

I still think we need one of those little faces that mean <sighhhh>

[Amused]

Actually I had a suspicion that you never have really played. Had you really played the sport you would have a much higher respect for the boys that do play now - Strake's boys, Katy's boys, everybody's boys. You wouldn't go on wishing a group of 16 & 17 years olds would get the cr-p beat out of them. You would not get vuicious everytime a person disagrees with you. You have told me all I needed to know - you are not much of an authority on football at all Fleeman. Your opinions on this board (and you are entitled to have them) are nothing more than emotion. Clearly they are not from experience.

[Amused]

Do do enjoy talking with you on this board Fleeman. I respect your spirit and loyalty. Please keep it civil. I promise to as well.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Why would I be PO'd that the jesuits and Marshall is the game of the week? Obviously those people at HS Scoreboard have no clue what they are talking about. Tell you what you can do to clarify what I am saying. Start a pole of which is a better game between Lamar and Westfield, Northshore and Pearland, and the jesuits and Marshall. Those people have no clue what a game of the week is.

This is the only good point I have seen anyone make in this season long debate. Why do the Jesuits spend so much emtional energy on a guy like Fleeman? Fleeman,why do you bother? Don't you know that the UIL is GOD and the Jesuits have a HOTLINE.

[Fleeman93]

"When did I ever rip on the players?"


"The only thing that would have made the jesuits losing this week to Marshall any better would have been if the jesuits didn't make the playoffs at all."

"Beat the crap out of the jesuits!"

Are these the two statements where you respect the kids? You sure got a funny way of showing it.

Go look around the message board and you will see that people say much worse than this against teams they don't like. I respect the boys that are out there on the field busting their ***** every Friday or Saturday night.

Hoping, wishing, praying, that a group of high school kids don't make the playoffs? And wanting someone to beat the cr*p out of them?

Just glad I can have an opinion.

Regardless of how you feel about the administration or the school - you would think you would have enough sportsmanship to at least wish all the kids good luck and hope they do well. And don't even try to say that wish them good luck or that they do well - it wouldn't mean a d*mn thing coming from you.

Honestly I hope the guys play great and all come out healthy. With that said, I still think they are going to lose the game.

The good thing is our kids are smart enough to see through people like you and not take all the negative that's been thrown at them this season to heart - I think you would have figured out by now that they actually won those games you all came to to cheer against them (not for the other team, but "against them").


What the hell is there to see through. There are two parts to my opinions about the jesuits. I will state both and explain both:

1. The jesuits shouldn't be playing in a public school league (UIL) because they are a private school - We all know the ongoing argument about this one. In my opinion I think the jesuits will screw up what we know as Texas high school football and that pisses me off to no end.

2. The jesuit's team this year is an average team at best - I'm not putting them down. Just stating the facts. They haven't beat any real good teams and they barely beat some teams that we know are down. I just don't think they are as good as some people think and I am stating that. Rankings put down a lot of teams by not including them but I don't see people getting all offended by that.

[Drake]

Flea...

From all I've read here it seems you're mostly upset with Strake Jesuit because we...

HAVEN'T, but MIGHT recruit at some point down the road...

DIDN'T, but COULD have tied Katy for the district championship...

COULDN'T, but WOULD have jumped around shouting "We are Co-CHAMPS, We are Co-Champs!" had it happened

SHOULDN'T, but ARE proud of our team and their accomplishments...

I believe you're a bit paranoid my friend...

[Fleeman93]

Actually I had a suspicion that you never have really played. Had you really played the sport you would have a much higher respect for the boys that do play now - Strake's boys, Katy's boys, everybody's boys. You wouldn't go on wishing a group of 16 & 17 years olds would get the cr-p beat out of them. You would not get vuicious everytime a person disagrees with you. You have told me all I needed to know - you are not much of an authority on football at all Fleeman. Your opinions on this board (and you are entitled to have them) are nothing more than emotion. Clearly they are not from experience.

How well did you do in the pickem?

[Drake]

This is the only good point I have seen anyone make in this season long debate. Why do the Jesuits spend so much emtional energy on a guy like Fleeman? Fleeman,why do you bother? Don't you know that the UIL is GOD and the Jesuits have a HOTLINE.I like that.

Why do I bother with Fleeman? Debating is a test to see if you can change the opinion of another... Fleeman is the ultimate challenge.

[Amused]

Well I actually got a late start and did not get into that. Wish I would have.

[Fleeman93]

Flee...

From all I've read here it seems you're mostly upset with Strake Jesuit because we...

HAVEN'T, but MIGHT recruit at some point down the road...

The chance is there and that is all it could take.

DIDN'T, but COULD have tied Katy for the district championship...

Just a pride thing. the jesuits would have claimed something that we all know they didn't earn.

COULDN'T, but WOULD have jumped around shouting "We are Co-CHAMPS, We are Co-Champs!" had it happened

We all know this would have happened and it wouldn't have been deserved.

SHOULDN'T, but ARE proud of our team and their accomplishments...

Of course you should be proud. I am just stating the hard truth that the jesuits have an average team. Be loud be proud!

I believe you're a bit paranoid my friend...

Paranoid of what? Oh you mean the jesuits screwing up Texas high school footbal? Yes, I am very paranoid of that and have no problem admitting it.

[Amused]

No KatyDad. UIL is not God. The Pope is God - and yes, we do have a hotline.

[Fleeman93]

Well I actually got a late start and did not get into that. Wish I would have.

I'll let my standing speak for my knowledge and love of the game.

[Fleeman93]

No KatyDad. UIL is not God. The Pope is God - and yes, we do have a hotline.

The Pope is God? Wow, I didn't know that.

[Drake]

Paranoid of what? Oh you mean the jesuits screwing up Texas high school footbal? Yes, I am very paranoid of that and have no problem admitting it.Well, I promise you we won't... In fact, I believe it'll be just the opposite... As the UIL considers the situation from year to year, I believe they'll decide that not only do the activities of the privates need to be monitored, that what's going on with the publics needs to be more open and scrutinized. Too often entire teams are hurt because of things discovered AFTER its too late. A little more sunshine on the activities of the publics could prevent situations like the one at Galveston Ball this week... Don't you agree?

[Amused]

Fleeman, I know you are concerned about what could happen in the future with Strake Jesuit recruiting. Strake will never recruit and here's why.

Strake's graduating class in 2005 had 215 seniors. Of those 215 seniors, 52 were Nationally Recognized Merit Scholars. Of those 52, 17 were National Merit Finalists. The average SAT scores were 1309.

Check on the same data for Katy High School. There you will find the answer why the Strake Jesuit will never recruit. They won't have to. Good and serious students will find their way to Strake Jesuit as they have been for over 30 years. There will be no need to recruit athletes.

[Amused]

Fleeman I know you love the game and I respect that. It is a great game.

[Drake]

Anyway, I gotta get... goin to the game (we're tailgating!) Any of you Katy fans want to say "hi" or punch me, I'll be the one with a green SJ jersey with STRAKEDRAKE on the nameplate... ;)

[Amused]

I do agree StrakeDrake. All schools need to be monitered, private and public. This is how the UIL can keep this a great game in Texas.

[Fleeman93]

Well, I promise you we won't... In fact, I believe it'll be just the opposite... As the UIL considers the situation from year to year, I believe they'll decide that not only do the activities of the privates need to be monitored, that what's going on with the publics needs to be more open and scrutinized. Too often entire teams are hurt because of things discovered AFTER its too late. A little more sunshine on the activities of the publics could prevent situations like the one at Galveston Ball this week... Don't you agree?

I really don't agree and here is why. In the case of Galveston Ball grown men knew that something illegal was going on and they didn't do anything about it. They got caught and should be punished for it. In the case of Katy in 98 a player lied and no one knew about it. Once the coaches found out they turned the program into the UIL and were disciplined. I think the UIL's system has it's flaws by human nature (there are just some bad people with bad motives in the world), but it works if people are honorable. The Katy rule makes the system better because it doesn't penalize the entire program for one player's mistake.

[Drake]

And Fleeman will be the only guy jumping around in the middle of Marshall's band with RED on! :D

[Amused]

No question - the Katy coaches were a class act in how they handled it. Incredibly hard to do and they did the right thing. Guess I don't know much about the Ball thing. Unfortunate for sure.

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman, I know you are concerned about what could happen in the future with Strake Jesuit recruiting. Strake will never recruit and here's why.

Strake's graduating class in 2005 had 215 seniors. Of those 215 seniors, 52 were Nationally Recognized Merit Scholars. Of those 52, 17 were National Merit Finalists. The average SAT scores were 1309.

Check on the same data for Katy High School. There you will find the answer why the Strake Jesuit will never recruit. They won't have to. Good and serious students will find their way to Strake Jesuit as they have been for over 30 years. There will be no need to recruit athletes.

It will be human nature to want to start getting better in all aspects of the game after time. I made a refrence earlier as to why the Romans fell from power. It was a greedy lust for power and wealth that eventually toppled them (that is what the discovery channel told me anyway :D ).

[AZTiger]

ok, so what time is this game again?

[rwilleby]

That's fine willeby. Strake is proud to be 2nd. It is a great accomplishment for the boys. Finishing 2nd place to Katy is good work in anybody's book.
I didn't mean it in a negative way, if that's how you took it... I just mean't that Cinco wasn't second because SJ earned the spot fair and square...

[rwilleby]

The only problems I see are with the people that still hold anemosity toward something they cannot change - it's over, it's dead and it doesn't need to resurface. There is nothing wrong with wanting SJ to win and make it to the Regionals to meet up with the Tigers. It would be a game that a lot of people want to see played - and it would say something about District 19-5A.
Agreed...

[hey]

strake 24 marshall 21

[Texas Bob]

strake 24 marshall 21

You were very close. Wheres that SuperBuffs Guy??

[Texas Bob]

Congratulations Crusaders

[SmilinTiger]

Congratulations Crusaders


Hey! SuperBuffs. Welcome to the Texas High School Football Playoffs. Hope you sleep well tonite.

Good luck.........Next Year.

[Fan4Life]

GO STRAKE!!! I thought 19-5 was horrible but damn strake beat an undefeated 20-5 team................I can't believe superbuff thought that Marshall could wipe out Katy.

Good Job Crusaders!

[KatyTigers]

Congratulations to Strake Jesuit. Way to stand toe to toe and whip the Buffs!! Good luck next week. Your players and coaches did a great job tonight.

[BrandoC06]

Aw was this a heartbreaking game for the Buffs or what (I know, I ATTEND THE SCHOOL!). To get all the way down to the one yard line and then be done in by the kicking game (which has been the bane of our program since our inception four years ago, and it plagued us during our 2nd year varsity run this year).

It hurts to say, since there was a lot of school spirit going around (felt like last year for basketball) and it just pretty much let the air out of our ballons. I heard all week from coaches to players saying how Strake was no match for us and then to hear my best friends baby brother tell me that don't underestimate Strake. They weren't 8-1 for no reason, so I couldn't blame him.

Hats off to the Buffs for an amazing run during the reg. season, bringing home our first district title in football and good luck to Strake the rest of the way.

[ktchamp97]

Aw was this a heartbreaking game for the Buffs or what (I know, I ATTEND THE SCHOOL!). To get all the way down to the one yard line and then be done in by the kicking game (which has been the bane of our program since our inception four years ago, and it plagued us during our 2nd year varsity run this year).

It hurts to say, since there was a lot of school spirit going around (felt like last year for basketball) and it just pretty much let the air out of our ballons. I heard all week from coaches to players saying how Strake was no match for us and then to hear my best friends baby brother tell me that don't underestimate Strake. They weren't 8-1 for no reason, so I couldn't blame him.

Hats off to the Buffs for an amazing run during the reg. season, bringing home our first district title in football and good luck to Strake the rest of the way.

Great first post Brando...Welcome.

Sorry about the tough loss, but I'm sure we'll hear plenty from Marshall in the future.

I heard all week from coaches to players saying how Strake was no match for us

That's too bad. One of the keys to being successful in the playoffs is respecting your opponent. Failing to do so results in what happened to the Buffs tonight...they will learn and be better for it.

[Fan4Life]

I'm hoping that Katy doesn't take any of these first playoff games lightly like Marshall did......last thing we need is to underestimate a team thats 7-3

[Texas Bob]

I'm hoping that Katy doesn't take any of these first playoff games lightly like Marshall did......last thing we need is to underestimate a team thats 7-3

They have been there, got the tee shirt and the hardware, they know better than over look anybody.

[hey]

ya my prediction was really close...that was by far the greatest football game i have ever been to...strake showed a ton of heart.