Clemens V Madison

[BuffFan2005]

Very close game.. what do you guys think?

[svrangers42]

I want Madison to win, but Clemens D will be too tough.

Clemens 34 Madison 14

[sv ranger]

I want Madison to win, but Clemens D will be too tough.

Clemens 34 Madison 14
i want madison to win but i want sv to get the chance and whip clemens in the playoffs.

[SVite]

i`ll pick Clemens,Madison just is`nt playing a whole game right now.i think for Madison to win Clemens would really have to have many key T.O`s

Clemens 31
madison 14

[sendero]

I like this match up because of stregths on strengths of Madison Offense VS Clemens Defense. However, I think Clemens Offensive overpowers a weak Madison Defense. This could turn into a high scoring affair if Madison creates some wrinkles to make some plays. They have several players that can take it to the end zone from a long way off. Look for them to have several players going both ways to help their defense.

[zippy]

based on SM's performance agaisnt Madison, and SM's performance agasint SC, it should be a close game. I dont see that 31-14 being the case. It all depends on the QB and RB at Madison as to how much they score.

SC- 21
Madison - 20.5

[mad_fan]

based on SM's performance agaisnt Madison, and SM's performance agasint SC, it should be a close game. I dont see that 31-14 being the case. It all depends on the QB and RB at Madison as to how much they score.

SC- 21
Madison - 20.5

:rolleyes: .5 :D

[mad_fan]

I know this much...Madison has the toughest road though the 25...
Madison is usually Madison's worst enemy...
I want back the blocked FG and deep turnover from the first half of the SV game; there's the 10 I need for OT...
Don't underestimate to ability of the Madison coaching staff to come up with something new that will result in:

1. The ball being in the Clemens endzone while their D is stll looking around for it.
OR
2. Caflisch pitching the ball back 30 yards because there was no one there to catch it.

[bubbacoach]

If the Clemen's Offense that showed up against Seguin shows up, I will go with Madison. If the Clemens offense that showed up against San Marcos shows up, I will go with Clemens. I know there has been alot of run about an undersized Madison Defense, but it has speed. Clemens will have to get something going offensively or they will be in trouble. :rolleyes:

[lonny23]

I know this much...Madison has the toughest road though the 25...
Madison is usually Madison's worst enemy...
I want back the blocked FG and deep turnover from the first half of the SV game; there's the 10 I need for OT...
Don't underestimate to ability of the Madison coaching staff to come up with something new that will result in:

1. The ball being in the Clemens endzone while their D is stll looking around for it.
OR
2. Caflisch pitching the ball back 30 yards because there was no one there to catch it.
I see past failures have you a little on the cynical side. You act like nothing good will happen until 2007! :D

[lonny23]

If the Clemen's Offense that showed up against Seguin shows up, I will go with Madison. If the Clemens offense that showed up against San Marcos shows up, I will go with Clemens. I know there has been alot of run about an undersized Madison Defense, but it has speed. Clemens will have to get something going offensively or they will be in trouble. :rolleyes:
Madison can win this game, but I can't trust them because of the past.

[bubbacoach]

Here are some worthless numbers. I took about ten minutes and figured out the overall winning percentage of each district in 5-A. I know it does not take in effect the strength of schedule, but here is the districts with the best winning percentages on the year. How does your district compare?
From Best to Worst
Ranking/District/Winning Percentage
1. 3-63%.....17. 8-50%
2. 23-59%.....18. 10-50%
3. 32-58%.....19. 13-50%
4. 6-56%.....20. 19-50%
5. 12-56%.....21. 22-50%
6. 5-55%.....22. 31-49%
7. 14-54%.....23. 17-48%
8. 16-54%.....24. 21-48%
9. 26-54%.....25. 30-48%
10. 27-54%.....26. 24-47%
11. 1-53%.....27. 9-46%
12. 4-51%.....28. 29-46%
13. 11-51%.....29. 2-45%
14. 15-51%.....30. 28-45%
15. 20-51%.....31. 18-44%
16. 25-51%.....32. 7-41%

This is a way you can figure who has the toughest district. :eek:

[biggest buff fan]

Here are some worthless numbers. I took about ten minutes and figured out the overall winning percentage of each district in 5-A. I know it does not take in effect the strength of schedule, but here is the districts with the best winning percentages on the year. How does your district compare?
From Best to Worst
Ranking/District/Winning Percentage
1. 3-63%.....17. 8-50%
2. 23-59%.....18. 10-50%
3. 32-58%.....19. 13-50%
4. 6-56%.....20. 19-50%
5. 12-56%.....21. 22-50%
6. 5-55%.....22. 31-49%
7. 14-54%.....23. 17-48%
8. 16-54%.....24. 21-48%
9. 26-54%.....25. 30-48%
10. 27-54%.....26. 24-47%
11. 1-53%.....27. 9-46%
12. 4-51%.....28. 29-46%
13. 11-51%.....29. 2-45%
14. 15-51%.....30. 28-45%
15. 20-51%.....31. 18-44%
16. 25-51%.....32. 7-41%

This is a way you can figure who has the toughest district. :eek:
This is how the teams fair...wheres your team or teams?
Top 25 Teams by Scoring Margin

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
2 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
3 Southlake Carroll 10 0 50.2 14.5 35.7
4 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
5 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
6 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
7 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
8 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
9 Euless Trinity 9 1 46.0 16.6 29.4
10 Houston Madison 9 1 43.9 14.8 29.1
11 Mansfield Summit 8 2 42.6 14.1 28.5
12 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
13 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
14 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
15 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
16 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
17 Hays Consolidated 9 1 47.1 23.1 24.0
18 EP Franklin 9 1 34.8 13.0 21.8
19 North Crowley 9 1 34.1 12.4 21.7
20 Pearland 10 0 31.5 10.2 21.3
21 Abilene 10 0 35.2 14.2 21.0
22 Midland 8 2 34.9 14.2 20.7
23 San Marcos 8 2 34.9 14.3 20.6
24 Copperas Cove 10 0 35.0 14.6 20.4
25 SA Jay 8 2 32.7 12.5 20.2


Top 25 Scoring Offenses

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 Southlake Carroll 10 0 50.2 14.5 35.7
2 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
3 Hays Consolidated 9 1 47.1 23.1 24.0
4 Euless Trinity 9 1 46.0 16.6 29.4
5 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
6 Houston Madison 9 1 43.9 14.8 29.1
7 Mansfield Summit 8 2 42.6 14.1 28.5
8 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
9 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
10 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
11 Austin Westlake 9 1 39.1 19.8 19.3
12 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
13 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
14 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
15 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
16 McAllen Memorial 7 3 37.6 28.2 9.4
17 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
18 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
19 Grapevine 6 4 36.9 31.8 5.1
20 Harlingen 8 2 36.1 22.7 13.4
21 Arlington 7 3 36.0 23.7 12.3
22 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
23 La Porte 8 2 35.6 22.1 13.5
24 Abilene 10 0 35.2 14.2 21.0
25 Copperas Cove 10 0 35.0 14.6 20.4


Top 25 Scoring Defenses

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
2 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
3 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
4 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
5 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
6 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
7 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
8 Pearland 10 0 31.5 10.2 21.3
9 Houston Memorial 7 3 20.5 10.4 10.1
10 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
11 Cy Fair 8 2 30.7 10.9 19.8
12 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
13 Katy Cinco Ranch 4 5 16.2 12.3 3.9
14 North Crowley 9 1 34.1 12.4 21.7
15 SA Jay 8 2 32.7 12.5 20.2
16 Galveston Ball 8 2 27.8 12.6 15.2
17 Converse Judson 6 4 25.5 12.6 12.9
18 Strake Jesuit 8 1 29.8 12.7 17.1
19 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
20 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
21 EP Franklin 9 1 34.8 13.0 21.8
22 Seguin 7 3 29.9 13.0 16.9
23 Cy Creek 7 3 24.1 13.4 10.7
24 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
25 Pharr-San Juan-Alamo 8 2 29.6 13.5 16.1

[sendero]

This is how the teams fair...wheres your team or teams?


Only one 26-5A team. Yeah they must suck ;)

[RedRage00]

I'm a fan of Madison, but I think Clemens will take this one.

RR

[clemensbuff]

I think that Clemens will be up for the challenge and their D will swarm the football and cause some TOs from Madison. I also beleive that our offense will get the job done on their defense. SC 28 Madison 14

[bubbacoach]

I believe if the Clemens Buffaloes do not get more going offensively than they did against Seguin, then it will be woulds, coulda, shoulda.

[bubbacoach]

I believe if the Clemens Buffaloes do not get more going offensively than they did against Seguin, then it will be woulda, coulda, shoulda.

[SeguinMatadors]

I believe if the Clemens Buffaloes do not get more going offensively than they did against Seguin, then it will be woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Clemens offense will overpower and run right through Madisons D.

[mad_fan]

Clemens offense will overpower and run right through Madisons D.


I am reasonable enough to say 'can' not 'will', but that will depend on Madison more than Clemens. IMO. Madison O is capable of doing the same...

[clemensbuff]

:) I believe if the Clemens Buffaloes do not get more going offensively than they did against Seguin, then it will be woulda, coulda, shoulda.

But what if the Mavericks offense cannot get it going against our D? This game could go either way and be 7-3 or it could be 49-45! I have a little inside info that several of our players went to watch the Mavs in person Saturday and they feel that they will get it done. They basically said that Madison has a pretty good team, but not good enough. I guess we'll see Friday night. Simple as this, if anyone wanted to place a bet on the game who would your hard earned $$$ get put on?

[mad_fan]

:)

But what if the Mavericks offense cannot get it going against our D? This game could go either way and be 7-3 or it could be 49-45! I have a little inside info that several of our players went to watch the Mavs in person Saturday and they feel that they will get it done. They basically said that Madison has a pretty good team, but not good enough. I guess we'll see Friday night. Simple as this, if anyone wanted to place a bet on the game who would your hard earned $$$ get put on?


their probably getting ready for the semi-finals! :)

[Go Buffs]

I believe if the Clemens Buffaloes do not get more going offensively than they did against Seguin, then it will be woulds, coulda, shoulda.
bubbacoach, I'm glad you're in this thread and made this comment because I was thinking along these lines and was going to ask you specifically(because of your coaching background), as well as any others who would chime in.

As an armchair coach :D , I had some thoughts and questions about the Buffs playcalling in the Seguin game. I don't know if you saw it bubbacoach, but basically Clemens ran about 5 variations of fullback/halfback dives and/or halfback sweeps/pitchouts. Seguin has incredible defensive quickness and seemingly kept a minimum of 9 men in the box(10 when Clemens had 1 WR). Predictably with this many players up front, Seguin was in the backfield all night and was able to string out plays to the sideline as well. The Buffs had little success all night long.

After the coaching change and seeing some hints of variations in offensive playcalling at certain points this season, it was extremely disappointing to see Coach Ferrara revert back to the old Clemens philosophy of, "the bigger the game, the more conservative the playcalling". If this is going to be the philosophy once again in the playoffs, then we're doomed because we're going to face tougher and tougher defenses, as well as better offenses. We can't depend on the defense to shut down AND SCORE on every playoff team.

My questions to you as a coach are...
1. With a virtually meaningless game against Seguin, why wouldn't you open up with alternate plays to offset the stacking of 9 and 10 man boxes, to see what might work when you face it in the playoff games?
2. If these alternate plays exist and are in the playoff gameplan, is it wiser to save them and hide them from future playoff foes, or wiser to test them against Seguin to find out if they work and so the kids have game experience with them?
3. What's the playoff philosophy of the majority of coaches...go more conservative, count on your defense, and play field position...or add wrinkles to what brought you there, count on your defense, and play field position...or something else?
4. What's your opinion/hunch on the awful playcalling vs Seguin? Playing possum or back into the Clemens playoff shell?

Others chime in with opinions as well, but I'm particularly interested to see what "coach" (and lonny of course :D )has to say.

[SeguinMatadors]

bubbacoach, I'm glad you're in this thread and made this comment because I was thinking along these lines and was going to ask you specifically(because of your coaching background), as well as any others who would chime in.

As an armchair coach :D , I had some thoughts and questions about the Buffs playcalling in the Seguin game. I don't know if you saw it bubbacoach, but basically Clemens ran about 5 variations of fullback/halfback dives and/or halfback sweeps/pitchouts. Seguin has incredible defensive quickness and seemingly kept a minimum of 9 men in the box(10 when Clemens had 1 WR). Predictably with this many players up front, Seguin was in the backfield all night and was able to string out plays to the sideline as well. The Buffs had little success all night long.

After the coaching change and seeing some hints of variations in offensive playcalling at certain points this season, it was extremely disappointing to see Coach Ferrara revert back to the old Clemens philosophy of, "the bigger the game, the more conservative the playcalling". If this is going to be the philosophy once again in the playoffs, then we're doomed because we're going to face tougher and tougher defenses, as well as better offenses. We can't depend on the defense to shut down AND SCORE on every playoff team.

My questions to you as a coach are...
1. With a virtually meaningless game against Seguin, why wouldn't you open up with alternate plays to offset the stacking of 9 and 10 man boxes, to see what might work when you face it in the playoff games?
2. If these alternate plays exist and are in the playoff gameplan, is it wiser to save them and hide them from future playoff foes, or wiser to test them against Seguin to find out if they work and so the kids have game experience with them?
3. What's the playoff philosophy of the majority of coaches...go more conservative, count on your defense, and play field position...or add wrinkles to what brought you there, count on your defense, and play field position...or something else?
4. What's your opinion/hunch on the awful playcalling vs Seguin? Playing possum or back into the Clemens playoff shell?

Others chime in with opinions as well, but I'm particularly interested to see what "coach" (and lonny of course :D )has to say.

I am not Bubba nor do I have coaching experience but I think I'll chime in. I think it was a little of both. Seguins defense of secondary is very good and very hard to throw on. Coach probably figured, "why try and throw the ball and risk an interception with the defense we have?" On the other hand, our defense isn't huge, maybe he thought that he could overpower Seguins defense. I really don't know why Clemens ever ran a sweep on Seguin, Seguins linebackers are very fast and that just wasn't going to happen. As far as the trick plays and special plays, no way he shows them until the playoffs.

[bubbacoach]

My questions to you as a coach are...
1. With a virtually meaningless game against Seguin, why wouldn't you open up with alternate plays to offset the stacking of 9 and 10 man boxes, to see what might work when you face it in the playoff games?
2. If these alternate plays exist and are in the playoff gameplan, is it wiser to save them and hide them from future playoff foes, or wiser to test them against Seguin to find out if they work and so the kids have game experience with them?
3. What's the playoff philosophy of the majority of coaches...go more conservative, count on your defense, and play field position...or add wrinkles to what brought you there, count on your defense, and play field position...or something else?
4. What's your opinion/hunch on the awful playcalling vs Seguin? Playing possum or back into the Clemens playoff shell?

Others chime in with opinions as well, but I'm particularly interested to see what "coach" (and lonny of course :D )has to say.[/QUOTE]
Question 1. To you it might have been a meaningless game, but to the kids it was an outright district title. You have to do what got you there. The defense has been the reason for Clemens success, with limited mistakes by the offense. Why open it up and make mistakes that could put your defense in a comprimising situation.

Question 2. You will face 8, 9, and sometimes 10 people in the box, almost every week. Your offense dictates it. As far as alternate plays, In 2002 Judson ran a play to win the State Championship that they had not run all year. They had practiced it every week, but had not used it. Sometimes it is better to keep a play or two in your pocket. Last year against SV we worked on different things in the spring for SV that we did not show all year. When we did show them, SV was not ready for them and we were able to do some things to them in the first half, that does not happen to SV. There coaches made the adjustments at halftime and made it a better game in the second half, but it was to late. Do not show what you are holding every time.

Question 3. Go with what gotta you there. The Defense of Clemens is good, rely on them, and let them do their job. Field position, great defense, and an opportunistic offense have won more than one state championship. They just can't make offensive mistakes.

Question 4. No posssum. That is just who Clemens is. Do not expect them to change their game plan because they are in the playoffs. They have beaten some good teams doing what they do, and what they do has carried them to 10-0. I do not think their offense is good enough to win a state championship, but their defense probably is. Their defense will have to be very dominating to go far in the playoffs.

Just my opinion. I am not in their office, so I cannot say for sure.

[svtakestate]

i want madison to win but i want sv to get the chance and whip clemens in the playoffs.

i want clemens to win so SV can shut them up in the playoffs :D

[lonny23]

bubbacoach, I'm glad you're in this thread and made this comment because I was thinking along these lines and was going to ask you specifically(because of your coaching background), as well as any others who would chime in.

As an armchair coach :D , I had some thoughts and questions about the Buffs playcalling in the Seguin game. I don't know if you saw it bubbacoach, but basically Clemens ran about 5 variations of fullback/halfback dives and/or halfback sweeps/pitchouts. Seguin has incredible defensive quickness and seemingly kept a minimum of 9 men in the box(10 when Clemens had 1 WR). Predictably with this many players up front, Seguin was in the backfield all night and was able to string out plays to the sideline as well. The Buffs had little success all night long.

After the coaching change and seeing some hints of variations in offensive playcalling at certain points this season, it was extremely disappointing to see Coach Ferrara revert back to the old Clemens philosophy of, "the bigger the game, the more conservative the playcalling". If this is going to be the philosophy once again in the playoffs, then we're doomed because we're going to face tougher and tougher defenses, as well as better offenses. We can't depend on the defense to shut down AND SCORE on every playoff team.

My questions to you as a coach are...
1. With a virtually meaningless game against Seguin, why wouldn't you open up with alternate plays to offset the stacking of 9 and 10 man boxes, to see what might work when you face it in the playoff games?
2. If these alternate plays exist and are in the playoff gameplan, is it wiser to save them and hide them from future playoff foes, or wiser to test them against Seguin to find out if they work and so the kids have game experience with them?
3. What's the playoff philosophy of the majority of coaches...go more conservative, count on your defense, and play field position...or add wrinkles to what brought you there, count on your defense, and play field position...or something else?
4. What's your opinion/hunch on the awful playcalling vs Seguin? Playing possum or back into the Clemens playoff shell?

Others chime in with opinions as well, but I'm particularly interested to see what "coach" (and lonny of course :D )has to say.
I'm glad you mentioned me because I was going to give my opinion. What I'm about to say is not far-fetched because I perceive it happens quite a bit.

I think a lot of teams try to hide what they want to do and especially the last week of the season when you know your next opponent is scouting you. You need a few trick plays for the playoffs that your opponent doesn't have on film during the year. I'm not a propenent of a game full of trick plays because you get beat if you're a gimmick team. You have to have some kind set philosophy to base your team's success upon.

It sounds like you guys went too far on the conservative side and could've opened it up a little. They will get beat as early as this week if they play like that against Madison. Lehnhoff always got beat because he played not to lose instead of to win. You win playoff games by doing different things and taking some risks.

I think most coaches take less risks in the playoffs, but the one's who win take calculated risks to succeed. I always lean towards taking more risks.

My hunch is that Clemens will take less risks in the playoffs and cut back on the offense because Henry is hurt.

[clemensbuff]

i want clemens to win so SV can shut them up in the playoffs :D

Be careful of what you wish for. ;)

[clemensbuff]

I'm glad you mentioned me because I was going to give my opinion. What I'm about to say is not far-fetched because I perceive it happens quite a bit.

I think a lot of teams try to hide what they want to do and especially the last week of the season when you know your next opponent is scouting you. You need a few trick plays for the playoffs that your opponent doesn't have on film during the year. I'm not a propenent of a game full of trick plays because you get beat if you're a gimmick team. You have to have some kind set philosophy to base your team's success upon.

It sounds like you guys went too far on the conservative side and could've opened it up a little. They will get beat as early as this week if they play like that against Madison. Lehnhoff always got beat because he played not to lose instead of to win. You win playoff games by doing different things and taking some risks.

I think most coaches take less risks in the playoffs, but the one's who win take calculated risks to succeed. I always lean towards taking more risks.

My hunch is that Clemens will take less risks in the playoffs and cut back on the offense because Henry is hurt.

Exact words that I've said many, many times in the past!

I hope that you are wrong and Clemens opens it up because they have the players to do just that! QB has improved every week and several receivers who can flat get it done!