Judson or Seguin

[Slim-Rob]

I'm gonna go with Judson on this one. 21 of 22 starters are ready to play and the team is fired up after beating Reagan 38-13.

The Judson defense will shut Seguin down while the Judson offense plays its best game of the season. (Minus Nixon and Lee)

[t00 playa]

I think judson takes this one... I think they got on a semi roll.... and will at least make it to round 2 ..... :p

[SVite]

I pick Judson for their experience,and defense.

Judson 24
Mats 14

[dwistheman]

Judson wins by 10+, but it looks like whoever comes out of region 4 is the sacrificial lamb for North Shore/Westfield/Pearland.

[zippy]

Seguin is a real good team, but after this last weeks win, with Judson down 21-0 before the game started, how can you count them out of anything. Keep it up Rockets, and rep 265 in D1 for what it is.

Judson 21
Seguin 17

[lonny23]

Let me think about this one for....1/2 a second.

Judson by a healthy margin.

[Svbigman]

give me the rockets by...3! Game winning field goal baby!

Rockets 24
Mats 21

[BandidoNB]

Id like to see Seguin win this one but I just dont see it happening.

Judson - 35
Seguin - 21

[SeguinMatadors]

Id like to see Seguin win this one but I just dont see it happening.

Judson - 35
Seguin - 21

I really don't think there is anyway in hell Jrock scores 35 on us.

[Mad Hatter]

I really don't think there is anyway in hell Jrock scores 35 on us.

Judson by 50 + :p

3 words seguin...... LEVEL OF COMPETITION.

[SeguinMatadors]

Judson by 50 + :p



And then you woke up.

[Rerun]

Judson by 50 + :p

3 words seguin...... LEVEL OF COMPETITION.

Yea, I mean, Mac and Lee are soooo amazing and the all mighty Rockets beat themhttp://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif

[Mad Hatter]

lol they could beat highlands,Southwest,East central,foxtech ure dist sucks face it.

[SeguinMatadors]

lol they could beat highlands,Southwest,East central,foxtech ure dist sucks face it.

Oh yeah, because foxtech is in 25 right?

[Rerun]

Hey kid, I ain'y sayin EC and SW are all that, but what I am saying is that the top 3 teams in the area are in one district and I'm not talkin bout 26-5A.

You figure it out.

[lonny23]

Hey kid, I ain'y sayin EC and SW are all that, but what I am saying is that the top 3 teams in the area are in one district and I'm not talkin bout 26-5A.

You figure it out.
I say you've been hanging out in the swishahouse too much. Your top 3 may be gone after this week! :D

[lonny23]

Judson by 50 + :p

3 words seguin...... LEVEL OF COMPETITION.
Not only is Judson back, but the spirit of the fans is BACK!

[Hunting82]

I havent seen judson play this year but I'm assuming they still run the ball 90% of the time.....if they do judson will be in for a long night against seguin....I think seguins defense is one of the most underrated in the area let alone the state....if judson and there fans think seguin is a push over your all in for a big suprise

seguin 10
judson 7

[biggest buff fan]

I havent seen judson play this year but I'm assuming they still run the ball 90% of the time.....if they do judson will be in for a long night against seguin....I think seguins defense is one of the most underrated in the area let alone the state....if judson and there fans think seguin is a push over your all in for a big suprise

seguin 10
judson 7

You are so right....as I was there at the Clemens game and that team is so strong and yes I do think everyone is under estimating Seguin, but so be it as it will come as a SHOCK to Judson.

[Mad Hatter]

what will u say after 265a sweeps ure district again ? i honestly want to know ?

[bcheat128]

You are so right....as I was there at the Clemens game and that team is so strong and yes I do think everyone is under estimating Seguin, but so be it as it will come as a SHOCK to Judson.

yea thats what was said last week when they played reagan

[JC73]

Judson in a blowout. +30

[bubbacoach]

Let's look at the two teams schedule.
Wins for Seguin
4A McCollum 4-6
4A New Braunfels 4-6
5A Lee 1-9
5A Southwest 3-7
5A East Central 4-6
5A Highlands 4-6
5A Jefferson 0-10
Did not beat a single team with a winning record.
Losses for Seguin
4A NB Canyon 9-1
5A San Marcos 8-3
5A Clemens 10-0
Lost to every team they played with a winning record.

Judson Wins
5A Laredo Nixon 9-1
5A Pflugerville 6-4
5A Reagan 6-4
5A Mac 5-5
5A Roosevelt 4-6
5A Lee 1-9
Four out of the six teams with above .500 records two of them in 5A playoffs.

Judson Losses
5A Copperas Cove 10-0
5A SV 9-1
5A Madison 8-2
5A Churchill 5-5
All with winning records at the 5A level.

As you can see 8 out of 10 teams Judson played were above .500 on the season and all 5A teams. They have been tested. Seguin has played 3 teams above .500 and lost to all three of them. They have also played 3 4A teams. Lets be real. What would Seguins record be if they played Judson's Schedule? What would Judson's record be if they played Seguin's Schedule? Be real people, Judson will roll. San Marcos, the best offense that Seguin has played all year rolled up some pretty impressive numbers against them. Judson has the lowest scoring against average in 26-5A, including Nixon, Cove, and Pflugerville. Remember Seguinmatador you have to sing my praises when Judson beats you.

[biggest buff fan]

what will u say after 265a sweeps ure district again ? i honestly want to know ?
Remember our district has class........IF" that should happen and a strong IF" then we would hope at least San Antonio would go on and win the Title....Remember IF" ......but highly unlikely.....That is what I would say. We all want our team and we all want our district, but its like knowing when the end of the world is coming.......NO ONE KNOWS for sure until its over or happends. We all can only hope and assume by records of what is going on today. And we all want our TEAM and OUR DISTRICT to do well, so we can all hymn and ha about what will happen but only when its over do we know what did happen......Good luck you will need it.....I promise.

[Hunting82]

hey mad hatter,
I think your running your mouth a little to much....and you better sit down and think about what your saying because your gonna sound very ignorant when it goes the other way

[bubbacoach]

Uh, Who are you talking to? thank you for editing and clarifying Huntman

[SVite]

I really don't think there is anyway in hell Jrock scores 35 on us.

If the Mats turn the ball over like Reagan did they sure can.

[SeguinMatadors]

Let's look at the two teams schedule.
Wins for Seguin
4A McCollum 4-6
4A New Braunfels 4-6
5A Lee 1-9
5A Southwest 3-7
5A East Central 4-6
5A Highlands 4-6
5A Jefferson 0-10
Did not beat a single team with a winning record.
Losses for Seguin
4A NB Canyon 9-1
5A San Marcos 8-3
5A Clemens 10-0
Lost to every team they played with a winning record.

Judson Wins
5A Laredo Nixon 9-1
5A Pflugerville 6-4
5A Reagan 6-4
5A Mac 5-5
5A Roosevelt 4-6
5A Lee 1-9
Four out of the six teams with above .500 records two of them in 5A playoffs.

Judson Losses
5A Copperas Cove 10-0
5A SV 9-1
5A Madison 8-2
5A Churchill 5-5
All with winning records at the 5A level.

As you can see 8 out of 10 teams Judson played were above .500 on the season and all 5A teams. They have been tested. Seguin has played 3 teams above .500 and lost to all three of them. They have also played 3 4A teams. Lets be real. What would Seguins record be if they played Judson's Schedule? What would Judson's record be if they played Seguin's Schedule? Be real people, Judson will roll. San Marcos, the best offense that Seguin has played all year rolled up some pretty impressive numbers against them. Judson has the lowest scoring against average in 26-5A, including Nixon, Cove, and Pflugerville. Remember Seguinmatador you have to sing my praises when Judson beats you.

I think Judson has the same record as Seguin if they played Seguin schedule. I know they wouldn't have beaten SM or Clemens.Although we should have beaten Canyon, I doubt they beat Canyon. 7-3.

[bubbacoach]

The two teams Seguin has played that have above average offenses San Marcos and NB Canyon, did pretty well against them. How many did those two score against Seguin?

[bubbacoach]

I think Judson has the same record as Seguin if they played Seguin schedule. I know they wouldn't have beaten SM or Clemens.Although we should have beaten Canyon, I doubt they beat Canyon. 7-3.
Yes, but Seguin would be at home with a 3-7 record if they played Judson's schedule.

[SVite]

Yea, I mean, Mac and Lee are soooo amazing and the all mighty Rockets beat themhttp://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif

You should`nt group Mac with Lee.Mac has a competive team,or at least they did,their season ended.Macs tailback is very good (craig).Mac just didnt have alot of depth,as in a bunch of players on the side line.Same with Lee.SV almost had as many seniors,as they did varsity players.

[SVite]

lol they could beat highlands,Southwest,East central,foxtech ure dist sucks face it.

Errrr,Jefferson.Fox tech was making the district stronger ;)

[SeguinMatadors]

The two teams Seguin has played that have above average offenses San Marcos and NB Canyon, did pretty well against them. How many did those two score against Seguin?

What does that matter? Judsons offense is far from above average. Lets try and discuss topics with at least some relevance, Bubba.

[SeguinMatadors]

Errrr,Jefferson.Fox tech was making the district stronger ;)

Haha yeah, I agree. Jefferson might be the only highschool in the world where the band picks on the football players.

[SeguinMatadors]

Yes, but Seguin would be at home with a 3-7 record if they played Judson's schedule.

Seguin makes the playoffs in 26, like it. When we beat Judson, do not hide.

[SVite]

Hey kid, I ain'y sayin EC and SW are all that, but what I am saying is that the top 3 teams in the area are in one district and I'm not talkin bout 26-5A.

You figure it out.


Your High,and you will soon find out.Both 3rd place teams are going to play friday,we`ll see.

[biggest buff fan]

Yes, but Seguin would be at home with a 3-7 record if they played Judson's schedule.
You are a great predictor.......read on what you said about the Churchill game.......ha.
#4 10-14-2005, 07:13 AM
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Re: Judson-Churchill
You really predict well..........

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Churchill's offense should struggle without Fanuzzi giving the Judson defense a chance to 3 and out them numerous times. This will give Judson's offense a chance to score and more chances to work against live competition. It will help their offense improve for bigger games in the near future. Rockets 27, Churchill 7.
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[SVite]

I havent seen judson play this year but I'm assuming they still run the ball 90% of the time.....if they do judson will be in for a long night against seguin....I think seguins defense is one of the most underrated in the area let alone the state....if judson and there fans think seguin is a push over your all in for a big suprise

seguin 10
judson 7


Judson doesnt just run.They have a chain mover in wide out Derrick Williams.He had at least 4 3rd down conversions agaisnt SV.

[Hunting82]

SVite,
If judson passes the ball there in even more trouble, seguin has a lot of speed on defense....they will make it very difficult for judson to do anything on offense

[singularity]

Not only is Judson back, but the spirit of the fans is BACK!
And thats why I'm going to say Rockets by 7, maybe 14.

[singularity]

Judson doesnt just run.They have a chain mover in wide out Derrick Williams.He had at least 4 3rd down conversions agaisnt SV.
I was impressed by him. If he hadn't been injured, Judson might have done a little more against the SV defense.

[SVite]

Let's look at the two teams schedule.
Wins for Seguin
4A McCollum 4-6
4A New Braunfels 4-6
5A Lee 1-9
5A Southwest 3-7
5A East Central 4-6
5A Highlands 4-6
5A Jefferson 0-10
Did not beat a single team with a winning record.
Losses for Seguin
4A NB Canyon 9-1
5A San Marcos 8-3
5A Clemens 10-0
Lost to every team they played with a winning record.

Judson Wins
5A Laredo Nixon 9-1
5A Pflugerville 6-4
5A Reagan 6-4
5A Mac 5-5
5A Roosevelt 4-6
5A Lee 1-9
Four out of the six teams with above .500 records two of them in 5A playoffs.

Judson Losses
5A Copperas Cove 10-0
5A SV 9-1
5A Madison 8-2
5A Churchill 5-5
All with winning records at the 5A level.

As you can see 8 out of 10 teams Judson played were above .500 on the season and all 5A teams. They have been tested. Seguin has played 3 teams above .500 and lost to all three of them. They have also played 3 4A teams. Lets be real. What would Seguins record be if they played Judson's Schedule? What would Judson's record be if they played Seguin's Schedule? Be real people, Judson will roll. San Marcos, the best offense that Seguin has played all year rolled up some pretty impressive numbers against them. Judson has the lowest scoring against average in 26-5A, including Nixon, Cove, and Pflugerville. Remember Seguinmatador you have to sing my praises when Judson beats you.

Nice home work bubba!I just did`nt know,those #`s are alarming.And your so right,Judson would at least be 8-2 with that schedule.as it is their 6 -4 with a tough schedule.I`ll be at the Judson game,SV-Sm game this weekend :)

[Svbigman]

judson has been inconsistent all year. they have done well in the past but i jsut don't think they have what it takes to even get past the 1st round. the mats will com out firing out of the gate and will gain more and more momentum leading to a rockets exit. seguin blows this one out. we will see whos talking sunday!

[singularity]

Nice home work bubba!I just did`nt know,those #`s are alarming.And your so right,Judson would at least be 8-2 with that schedule.as it is their 6-4 with a tough schedule.I`ll be at the Judson game,SV-Sm game this weekend :)
Judson would beat NB Canyon but lose to SM and SC. Seguin would lose to all of Judsons losses. That tells me something....Judson is better.

[SVite]

SVite,
If judson passes the ball there in even more trouble, seguin has a lot of speed on defense....they will make it very difficult for judson to do anything on offense

You may be very correct.I havent seen seguin play.I do know that Judson has some really good athletes.If this is an even game (points spread)Judson has the experience,and experience is huge in high school football.Rackley has coached in Many big games....

[03mustangwideout]

Id never thought id be saying this but seguin!!!!1

[bubbacoach]

You are a great predictor.......read on what you said about the Churchill game.......ha.
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Re: Judson-Churchill
You really predict well..........

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Churchill's offense should struggle without Fanuzzi giving the Judson defense a chance to 3 and out them numerous times. This will give Judson's offense a chance to score and more chances to work against live competition. It will help their offense improve for bigger games in the near future. Rockets 27, Churchill 7.
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If you read the rest of my posts I also said Judson would have trouble offensively against Churchill. When everyone else was predicting a Judson blowout. I said Judson would struggle offensively. But, I am sure you have always been correct in your picks.

[bubbacoach]

You cannot deny the facts, Seguin has played a weaker schedule than Judson. They are giving up more points than Judson, but they are scoring more points than Judson. But they are scoring these big points against real bad teams. The facts are the facts, the only teams I think Seguin would have beaten on the Judson Schedule are Nixon, Lee, and maybe Roosevelt. This will be the best or second best defense Seguin will have seen all year. We can argue and prognasticate all we want, but the bottom line is Judson has played the tougher schedule. Judson has the experience. Seguin has a belief, unless you talk to their coaches. I will take Judson. Judson is going to be up for this one, they have fought injuries, kids getting booted, coaching changes, etc...., but they have done what needed to be done to get in the playoffs. Judson will win.....

[biggest buff fan]

If you read the rest of my posts I also said Judson would have trouble offensively against Churchill. When everyone else was predicting a Judson blowout. I said Judson would struggle offensively. But, I am sure you have always been correct in your picks.

I am just saying that you try to pull out all the numbers and think that is going to say it all with your statistics.......It means nothing now...and if it did what would you say about this....only one team from 26 on the list...and three from 25?Top 25 Teams by Scoring Margin I did not do this listing it is on the 5A web site... Where is 26? One team...verses 3

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
2 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
3 Southlake Carroll 10 0 50.2 14.5 35.7
4 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
5 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
6 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
7 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
8 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
9 Euless Trinity 9 1 46.0 16.6 29.4
10 Houston Madison 9 1 43.9 14.8 29.1
11 Mansfield Summit 8 2 42.6 14.1 28.5
12 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
13 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
14 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
15 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
16 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
17 Hays Consolidated 9 1 47.1 23.1 24.0
18 EP Franklin 9 1 34.8 13.0 21.8
19 North Crowley 9 1 34.1 12.4 21.7
20 Pearland 10 0 31.5 10.2 21.3
21 Abilene 10 0 35.2 14.2 21.0
22 Midland 8 2 34.9 14.2 20.7
23 San Marcos 8 2 34.9 14.3 20.6
24 Copperas Cove 10 0 35.0 14.6 20.4
25 SA Jay 8 2 32.7 12.5 20.2


Top 25 Scoring Offenses

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 Southlake Carroll 10 0 50.2 14.5 35.7
2 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
3 Hays Consolidated 9 1 47.1 23.1 24.0
4 Euless Trinity 9 1 46.0 16.6 29.4
5 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
6 Houston Madison 9 1 43.9 14.8 29.1
7 Mansfield Summit 8 2 42.6 14.1 28.5
8 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
9 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
10 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
11 Austin Westlake 9 1 39.1 19.8 19.3
12 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
13 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
14 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
15 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
16 McAllen Memorial 7 3 37.6 28.2 9.4
17 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
18 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
19 Grapevine 6 4 36.9 31.8 5.1
20 Harlingen 8 2 36.1 22.7 13.4
21 Arlington 7 3 36.0 23.7 12.3
22 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
23 La Porte 8 2 35.6 22.1 13.5
24 Abilene 10 0 35.2 14.2 21.0
25 Copperas Cove 10 0 35.0 14.6 20.4


Top 25 Scoring Defenses

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
2 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
3 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
4 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
5 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
6 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
7 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
8 Pearland 10 0 31.5 10.2 21.3
9 Houston Memorial 7 3 20.5 10.4 10.1
10 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
11 Cy Fair 8 2 30.7 10.9 19.8
12 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
13 Katy Cinco Ranch 4 5 16.2 12.3 3.9
14 North Crowley 9 1 34.1 12.4 21.7
15 SA Jay 8 2 32.7 12.5 20.2
16 Galveston Ball 8 2 27.8 12.6 15.2
17 Converse Judson 6 4 25.5 12.6 12.9
18 Strake Jesuit 8 1 29.8 12.7 17.1
19 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
20 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
21 EP Franklin 9 1 34.8 13.0 21.8
22 Seguin 7 3 29.9 13.0 16.9
23 Cy Creek 7 3 24.1 13.4 10.7
24 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
25 Pharr-San Juan-Alamo 8 2 29.6 13.5 16.1

[Jrock]

Districts with only three good teams tend to have more blowouts and less upsets.

[clemensbuff]

Let's look at the two teams schedule.
Wins for Seguin
4A McCollum 4-6
4A New Braunfels 4-6
5A Lee 1-9
5A Southwest 3-7
5A East Central 4-6
5A Highlands 4-6
5A Jefferson 0-10
Did not beat a single team with a winning record.
Losses for Seguin
4A NB Canyon 9-1
5A San Marcos 8-3
5A Clemens 10-0
Lost to every team they played with a winning record.

Judson Wins
5A Laredo Nixon 9-1
5A Pflugerville 6-4
5A Reagan 6-4
5A Mac 5-5
5A Roosevelt 4-6
5A Lee 1-9
Four out of the six teams with above .500 records two of them in 5A playoffs.

Judson Losses
5A Copperas Cove 10-0
5A SV 9-1
5A Madison 8-2
5A Churchill 5-5
All with winning records at the 5A level.

As you can see 8 out of 10 teams Judson played were above .500 on the season and all 5A teams. They have been tested. Seguin has played 3 teams above .500 and lost to all three of them. They have also played 3 4A teams. Lets be real. What would Seguins record be if they played Judson's Schedule? What would Judson's record be if they played Seguin's Schedule?[/SIZE] Be real people, Judson will roll. San Marcos, the best offense that Seguin has played all year rolled up some pretty impressive numbers against them. Judson has the lowest scoring against average in 26-5A, including Nixon, Cove, and Pflugerville. Remember Seguinmatador you have to sing my praises when Judson beats you.

Probably the exact same as Seguin's record, 7-3! LOL One win more than Judson has now because SC, SM, and Seguin would have beaten them! LOL

[SIZE=6]GO 26-5A, IT IS OUR YEAR FOR THE CLEAN SWEEP!!!

[clemensbuff]

Judson doesnt just run.They have a chain mover in wide out Derrick Williams.He had at least 4 3rd down conversions agaisnt SV.

If you say so! I saw Mr. Chain mover drop 3 key 1st down passes and one was a sure TD against Churchill this year! I sure as hell didn't see #1 as anything great that night!!!

[RedRage00]

man, where did all these Judson fans come from?

They dissapeared 3 weeks ago..now they are back LOL

You bandwagoners! :D :p

[SeguinMatadors]

man, where did all these Judson fans come from?

They dissapeared 3 weeks ago..now they are back LOL

You bandwagoners! :D :p

I was wondering the same thing.

[PaulinPlano]

It is difficult to see how these blowout predictions can be made. Seguin played the number one team in the area (10th in the state) and held them to 6 first downs, 102 yards rushing on 36 carries (2.83 yards per carry) and that was with a 34 yard run which without they would have averaged less than 2 yards per carry.

The Matador offense, especially the running game, will need to play thier best if they are to have a chance to win. Seguin will need to keep it close going into the 4th quarter. If they do... Lookout!

Oh wait... I forgot! Schertz had a bad game against Seguin... :rolleyes: that's right... it could not have been that Seguin is very good. :rolleyes:

[RedRage00]

I don't think Judson should underestimate Seguin.

Everyone was predicting a huge blowout over Churchill and look what happened.

RR

[biggest buff fan]

It is difficult to see how these blowout predictions can be made. Seguin played the number one team in the area (10th in the state) and held them to 6 first downs, 102 yards rushing on 36 carries (2.83 yards per carry) and that was with a 34 yard run which without they would have averaged less than 2 yards per carry.

The Matador offense, especially the running game, will need to play thier best if they are to have a chance to win. Seguin will need to keep it close going into the 4th quarter. If they do... Lookout!

Oh wait... I forgot! Schertz had a bad game against Seguin... :rolleyes: that's right... it could not have been that Seguin is very good. :rolleyes:

Yee Haw!!!!!!Its good to see more people rooting for Seguin...I honestly do not think Judson believes that Seguin is that good, they always think they are the best....But you know lets let them be SURPRISED on Friday as the Matadors come marching in...

[clemensbuff]

It is difficult to see how these blowout predictions can be made. Seguin played the number one team in the area (10th in the state) and held them to 6 first downs, 102 yards rushing on 36 carries (2.83 yards per carry) and that was with a 34 yard run which without they would have averaged less than 2 yards per carry.

The Matador offense, especially the running game, will need to play thier best if they are to have a chance to win. Seguin will need to keep it close going into the 4th quarter. If they do... Lookout!

Oh wait... I forgot! Schertz had a bad game against Seguin... :rolleyes: that's right... it could not have been that Seguin is very good. :rolleyes:

No, there defense is damn good, and if they play with the intensity the did this past Friday, CJ will be in for a big shock!

[PaulinPlano]

No, there defense is damn good, and if they play with the intensity the did this past Friday, CJ will be in for a big shock!

Yes they have a very good defense. I was attempting to be Facetious though it may not have been obvious.

[SFARocketGrad]

I can tell you for sure that Judson isn't underestimating Seguin in the slightest. The only people predicting a blowout are the fans. I can tell you now that Judson has converted back to the "old school" Judson offense that they are more than capable of scoring 35 points on anyone. Judson has done this year what they became famous for back in the day. Improving as the season goes along. I'm not saying they are going to state yet, but they are definately going to peak at the right time this year. Last they peaked in week 1 and coasted down from there. This year they are rising now and the whole state may be in for a suprise.

Bobby Hill
#45 San Antonio Riders/Gladiators

Judson #55's Bro

[bubbacoach]

I am just saying that you try to pull out all the numbers and think that is going to say it all with your statistics.......It means nothing now...and if it did what would you say about this....only one team from 26 on the list...and three from 25?Top 25 Teams by Scoring Margin I did not do this listing it is on the 5A web site... Where is 26? One team...verses 3

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
2 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
3 Southlake Carroll 10 0 50.2 14.5 35.7
4 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
5 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
6 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
7 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
8 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
9 Euless Trinity 9 1 46.0 16.6 29.4
10 Houston Madison 9 1 43.9 14.8 29.1
11 Mansfield Summit 8 2 42.6 14.1 28.5
12 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
13 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
14 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
15 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
16 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
17 Hays Consolidated 9 1 47.1 23.1 24.0
18 EP Franklin 9 1 34.8 13.0 21.8
19 North Crowley 9 1 34.1 12.4 21.7
20 Pearland 10 0 31.5 10.2 21.3
21 Abilene 10 0 35.2 14.2 21.0
22 Midland 8 2 34.9 14.2 20.7
23 San Marcos 8 2 34.9 14.3 20.6
24 Copperas Cove 10 0 35.0 14.6 20.4
25 SA Jay 8 2 32.7 12.5 20.2


Top 25 Scoring Offenses

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 Southlake Carroll 10 0 50.2 14.5 35.7
2 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
3 Hays Consolidated 9 1 47.1 23.1 24.0
4 Euless Trinity 9 1 46.0 16.6 29.4
5 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
6 Houston Madison 9 1 43.9 14.8 29.1
7 Mansfield Summit 8 2 42.6 14.1 28.5
8 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
9 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
10 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
11 Austin Westlake 9 1 39.1 19.8 19.3
12 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
13 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
14 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
15 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
16 McAllen Memorial 7 3 37.6 28.2 9.4
17 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
18 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
19 Grapevine 6 4 36.9 31.8 5.1
20 Harlingen 8 2 36.1 22.7 13.4
21 Arlington 7 3 36.0 23.7 12.3
22 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
23 La Porte 8 2 35.6 22.1 13.5
24 Abilene 10 0 35.2 14.2 21.0
25 Copperas Cove 10 0 35.0 14.6 20.4


Top 25 Scoring Defenses

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
2 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
3 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
4 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
5 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
6 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
7 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
8 Pearland 10 0 31.5 10.2 21.3
9 Houston Memorial 7 3 20.5 10.4 10.1
10 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
11 Cy Fair 8 2 30.7 10.9 19.8
12 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
13 Katy Cinco Ranch 4 5 16.2 12.3 3.9
14 North Crowley 9 1 34.1 12.4 21.7
15 SA Jay 8 2 32.7 12.5 20.2
16 Galveston Ball 8 2 27.8 12.6 15.2
17 Converse Judson 6 4 25.5 12.6 12.9
18 Strake Jesuit 8 1 29.8 12.7 17.1
19 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
20 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
21 EP Franklin 9 1 34.8 13.0 21.8
22 Seguin 7 3 29.9 13.0 16.9
23 Cy Creek 7 3 24.1 13.4 10.7
24 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
25 Pharr-San Juan-Alamo 8 2 29.6 13.5 16.1
Did you not realize that all but three teams in 25 are JV teams. I would hope you could put up some impressive numbers against a bunch of JVs

[bubbacoach]

man, where did all these Judson fans come from?

They dissapeared 3 weeks ago..now they are back LOL

You bandwagoners! :D :p
I have been here the whole time.

[bubbacoach]

Remind me what good offense Seguin has held in check this year. Clemens weakness is there offense and it was even before Henry was hurt. I will not take anything away from the Clemens D, they out scored Seguin pretty much by themselves. I am just saying play a true varsity schedule and then talk.

[sendero]

I am just saying that you try to pull out all the numbers and think that is going to say it all with your statistics.......It means nothing now...and if it did what would you say about this....only one team from 26 on the list...and three from 25?Top 25 Teams by Scoring Margin I did not do this listing it is on the 5A web site... Where is 26? One team...verses 3

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
2 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
3 Southlake Carroll 10 0 50.2 14.5 35.7
4 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
5 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
6 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
7 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
8 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
9 Euless Trinity 9 1 46.0 16.6 29.4
10 Houston Madison 9 1 43.9 14.8 29.1
11 Mansfield Summit 8 2 42.6 14.1 28.5
12 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
13 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
14 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
15 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
16 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
17 Hays Consolidated 9 1 47.1 23.1 24.0
18 EP Franklin 9 1 34.8 13.0 21.8
19 North Crowley 9 1 34.1 12.4 21.7
20 Pearland 10 0 31.5 10.2 21.3
21 Abilene 10 0 35.2 14.2 21.0
22 Midland 8 2 34.9 14.2 20.7
23 San Marcos 8 2 34.9 14.3 20.6
24 Copperas Cove 10 0 35.0 14.6 20.4
25 SA Jay 8 2 32.7 12.5 20.2


Top 25 Scoring Offenses

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 Southlake Carroll 10 0 50.2 14.5 35.7
2 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
3 Hays Consolidated 9 1 47.1 23.1 24.0
4 Euless Trinity 9 1 46.0 16.6 29.4
5 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
6 Houston Madison 9 1 43.9 14.8 29.1
7 Mansfield Summit 8 2 42.6 14.1 28.5
8 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
9 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
10 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
11 Austin Westlake 9 1 39.1 19.8 19.3
12 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
13 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
14 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
15 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
16 McAllen Memorial 7 3 37.6 28.2 9.4
17 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
18 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
19 Grapevine 6 4 36.9 31.8 5.1
20 Harlingen 8 2 36.1 22.7 13.4
21 Arlington 7 3 36.0 23.7 12.3
22 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
23 La Porte 8 2 35.6 22.1 13.5
24 Abilene 10 0 35.2 14.2 21.0
25 Copperas Cove 10 0 35.0 14.6 20.4


Top 25 Scoring Defenses

Rank Team Wins Losses PPG PAPG Margin
1 North Shore 10 0 49.1 5.1 44.0
2 Houston Lamar 10 0 38.6 5.6 33.0
3 Spring Westfield 8 0 44.9 7.5 37.4
4 Dallas Carter 10 0 40.7 7.6 33.1
5 Schertz Clemens 10 0 37.4 7.6 29.8
6 Lufkin 10 0 39.9 9.0 30.9
7 Katy 9 0 40.0 9.4 30.6
8 Pearland 10 0 31.5 10.2 21.3
9 Houston Memorial 7 3 20.5 10.4 10.1
10 Laredo Nixon 8 2 35.7 10.8 24.9
11 Cy Fair 8 2 30.7 10.9 19.8
12 Plano 10 0 38.2 11.9 26.3
13 Katy Cinco Ranch 4 5 16.2 12.3 3.9
14 North Crowley 9 1 34.1 12.4 21.7
15 SA Jay 8 2 32.7 12.5 20.2
16 Galveston Ball 8 2 27.8 12.6 15.2
17 Converse Judson 6 4 25.5 12.6 12.9
18 Strake Jesuit 8 1 29.8 12.7 17.1
19 Laredo United 9 1 37.8 12.7 25.1
20 Longview 10 0 37.4 12.7 24.7
21 EP Franklin 9 1 34.8 13.0 21.8
22 Seguin 7 3 29.9 13.0 16.9
23 Cy Creek 7 3 24.1 13.4 10.7
24 CC Carroll 9 0 38.4 13.4 25.0
25 Pharr-San Juan-Alamo 8 2 29.6 13.5 16.1

After looking at this data even further the Laredo schools are going to make a run for the title while 26-5A is sitting in the stands :D :D :D

[Rerun]

Remind me what good offense Seguin has held in check this year. Clemens weakness is there offense and it was even before Henry was hurt. I will not take anything away from the Clemens D, they out scored Seguin pretty much by themselves. I am just saying play a true varsity schedule and then talk.

Wow. What an incredibly rude thing to say. Clemens did play, what you would consider, a true varsity schedule in 2003 and won district 26-5A and went deep into the play-offs.

[DiamondJ2]

Judson isn't overlooking Seguin. Mats are hungry to advance further in the playoffs, but Rockets experience and big plays will gore the Mats.

[LoneRocket]

You are so right....as I was there at the Clemens game and that team is so strong and yes I do think everyone is under estimating Seguin, but so be it as it will come as a SHOCK to Judson.
Suport your district to the end, I am.

[clemensbuff]

Suport your district to the end, I am.

Amen brother! GO 25-5A!

[TexasRed6x]

Judson will win this game, why because they are Judson. Seguin is nor has never been a playoff giant. I know that Seguin played Clemens a very tough game, but from Clemens fans that I know really never brought their "A" game. If that is not true them Clemens could be in trouble here. People have talked all year that Judson is down and I will say that you are correct and will not argue the fact. I have said earlier Judson has already played a playoff game and the results were scary. I not going to say anything about who played who and who could of beat who, it over and in the past. I do know that if you look deep down and youo had a $100.00 to bet would you take Seguin over Judson, I think not. If you think that Judson does not have as much speed as Seguin, please spare me. I wiill also say that if they get #1 Williams involved at all look out. In the SV game Judson was still in the game until he got hurt, after that lights out. I would say that Judson could beat Clemens, but hey we will never know will we, but hey talk is cheap and that why we are all reading stuff like this.

[lonny23]

Seguin makes the playoffs in 26, like it. When we beat Judson, do not hide.
I'm calling in the DEA for some investigative findings over in Guadalupe County.

[lonny23]

After looking at this data even further the Laredo schools are going to make a run for the title while 26-5A is sitting in the stands :D :D :D
The level of competion between the districts and the schedules that 25-5A chooses completely washes away any logical conclusions to the data.

[lonny23]

man, where did all these Judson fans come from?

They dissapeared 3 weeks ago..now they are back LOL

You bandwagoners! :D :p
The same people are still here. They're just talking more trash now and rightfully so.

[lonny23]

man, where did all these Judson fans come from?

They dissapeared 3 weeks ago..now they are back LOL

You bandwagoners! :D :p
You can't possibly think I disappeared anytime over the last 3 weeks! :D

[mad_fan]

You can't possibly think I disappeared anytime over the last 3 weeks! :D


sometimes I cross my fingers. :p

[lonny23]

I can tell you for sure that Judson isn't underestimating Seguin in the slightest. The only people predicting a blowout are the fans. I can tell you now that Judson has converted back to the "old school" Judson offense that they are more than capable of scoring 35 points on anyone. Judson has done this year what they became famous for back in the day. Improving as the season goes along. I'm not saying they are going to state yet, but they are definately going to peak at the right time this year. Last they peaked in week 1 and coasted down from there. This year they are rising now and the whole state may be in for a suprise.

Bobby Hill
#45 San Antonio Riders/Gladiators

Judson #55's Bro
I'm with you on the peaking part. That's why my BracketMaker picks are what they are.

[lonny23]

sometimes I cross my fingers. :p
You need me to keep your post count up! :D

[dwistheman]

Lonny,

I am still waiting for your inside the numbers analysis of how district 25 is full of pretenders, and Judson is peaking at the right time post.

:)

[mad_fan]

You need me to keep your post count up! :D

At least you don't get as pissy (?) as some guys...of course you don't live with your mother.

[lonny23]

Lonny,

I am still waiting for your inside the numbers analysis of how district 25 is full of pretenders, and Judson is peaking at the right time post.

:)
I already thought about posting it, but I have to wait for this week's power ratings numbers. They will enhance my case! :p

Believe me, I'm all set to show why 26 is better than 25 and 27! :D

[lonny23]

At least you don't get as pissy (?) as some guys...of course you don't live with your mother.
That's because I don't get mad. I figure I'll just make another comeback.

[Rocketman]

Judson will win region 4 it will be tough but doesn't matter because Spring Westfield is going roll over Judson again in the semifinals and then go on to win the Division I title. I was hoping to see Southlake play Westfield in the state game in division I but not going to happen this year.

[jrp83]

I'll take Judson, but I don't think they'll have an easy time. Judson is playing better than they were 3 weeks ago but still not as crisp as they should. I think what a lot of people are overlooking is the fact that the Rockets have most of their starters back. The injury bug hit them hard in the middle of the season. Just now are they getting some of those kids back and into the groove again. Only time will tell if they can get their act together and make a deep playoff run. Go Rockets!

[bubbacoach]

Wow. What an incredibly rude thing to say. Clemens did play, what you would consider, a true varsity schedule in 2003 and won district 26-5A and went deep into the play-offs.
I'm sorry I thought this was 2005, my bad.

[Rocketman]

I'm a big Judson fan but they don't have a chance against Spring Westfield this year atleast last year they had a better chance with Fox in the back field, but this year they don't have a play maker like Fox. But I'm just glad they made the playoffs this year.

[bubbacoach]

I'm a big Judson fan but they don't have a chance against Spring Westfield this year atleast last year they had a better chance with Fox in the back field, but this year they don't have a play maker like Fox. But I'm just glad they made the playoffs this year.
I might be mistaken, but I think they have a couple of games before they can play Westfield. :confused:

[clemensbuff]

You can't possibly think I disappeared anytime over the last 3 weeks! :D

We are still hoping your PC takes a dump or you lose your connection to the net! :p :D

[lonny23]

We are still hoping your PC takes a dump or you lose your connection to the net! :p :D
The connection does go down sometimes, but this website is never blocked. I could spend all day saying where I can't go, but this site is never blocked anywhere.

[clemensbuff]

The connection does go down sometimes, but this website is never blocked. I could spend all day saying where I can't go, but this site is never blocked anywhere.

I have some friends that are pretty high up on the food chain in the military and I'll see what I can do about getting this one blocked off for us! LOL :D

[lonny23]

I can tell you for sure that Judson isn't underestimating Seguin in the slightest. The only people predicting a blowout are the fans. I can tell you now that Judson has converted back to the "old school" Judson offense that they are more than capable of scoring 35 points on anyone. Judson has done this year what they became famous for back in the day. Improving as the season goes along. I'm not saying they are going to state yet, but they are definately going to peak at the right time this year. Last they peaked in week 1 and coasted down from there. This year they are rising now and the whole state may be in for a suprise.

Bobby Hill
#45 San Antonio Riders/Gladiators

Judson #55's Bro
I always kinda thought they peaked in the Clemens game. You bring up an interesting point and that's the main reason I talked so much trash last year. I just expected them to keep getting better and they started off very high. It didn't come to pass, though.

[SVite]

After looking at this data even further the Laredo schools are going to make a run for the title while 26-5A is sitting in the stands

:D Why is Seguin even playing 4A teams to begin with.Sounds like they were trying to get some confidence.And If they were so awsome,what kind of confidence comes from beating a lower classifacation?Unless it`s La Marque,CC Calallen.Could you imagine if Judson would have had those teams on their schedule!People would have run them hard in these forums.But,it`s not that big of deal for Seguin to do.At least every 4A team was better than most their 5A games!

Judson lost to Cove (10-0)because they missed the extra point,and on the road!Seguin WILL LOOSE,Judson wont have a 21 point deficit this game,straight up!Those diamond J`s "Will " shine in this one.Maybe Seguin scores a TD,maybe! ;) I`ll be the one with the SV hat,sitting on the red,& gray side.Mending the fence :D with Judson.HAHA....

And your right clemensbuff #1 has alligator arms,but he`s trying real hard!lol

[SeguinMatadors]

:D Why is Seguin even playing 4A teams to begin with.Sounds like they were trying to get some confidence.And If they were so awsome,what kind of confidence comes from beating a lower classifacation?Unless it`s La Marque,CC Calallen.Could you imagine if Judson would have had those teams on their schedule!People would have run them hard in these forums.But,it`s not that big of deal for Seguin to do.At least every 4A team was better than most their 5A games!

Judson lost to Cove (10-0)because they missed the extra point,and on the road!Seguin WILL LOOSE,Judson wont have a 21 point deficit this game,straight up!Those diamond J`s "Will " shine in this one.Maybe Seguin scores a TD,maybe! ;) I`ll be the one with the SV hat,sitting on the red,& gray side.Mending the fence :D with Judson.HAHA....

And your right clemensbuff #1 has alligator arms,but he`s trying real hard!lol

I can assure you the Matadors would have scheduled different harder opponenents before this season if at all possible. That schedule was made for Seguin to gain confidence two years ago, before the players believed in them selves.

I hear that Seguin and Madison are scheduled to kick off the regular season next year at the Alamodome. Anybody know if there is any truth to that? I have heard it more than once but I don't see how that is possible with out the district re alignments being out, as Seguin and Madison may end up in the same district.

[clemensbuff]

:D Why is Seguin even playing 4A teams to begin with.Sounds like they were trying to get some confidence.And If they were so awsome,what kind of confidence comes from beating a lower classifacation?Unless it`s La Marque,CC Calallen.Could you imagine if Judson would have had those teams on their schedule!People would have run them hard in these forums.But,it`s not that big of deal for Seguin to do.At least every 4A team was better than most their 5A games!

Judson lost to Cove (10-0)because they missed the extra point,and on the road!Seguin WILL LOOSE,Judson wont have a 21 point deficit this game,straight up!Those diamond J`s "Will " shine in this one.Maybe Seguin scores a TD,maybe! ;) I`ll be the one with the SV hat,sitting on the red,& gray side.Mending the fence :D with Judson.HAHA....

And your right clemensbuff #1 has alligator arms,but he`s trying real hard!lol

You've got some points on this but if you really think about it hard, how many good 5a teams would have wanted to play either SV or SC in 98' or 99'? I truly beleive without a doubt that in those two years SV or SC would have beaten any of the 5a teams in this region! As far as what anyone would say if CJ had scheduled NB Canyon, it might have been a mistake on Judson's part to do so, I'll just leave it at that. McCollom is definately a joke though and our JV would spank them. Also, if you think about it, Seguin didn't schedule those teams this year, they did it almost two years ago. And I beleive that if Carson new that his kids were going to turn their program around that quickly he would not have scheduled Lee or McCollom!

I also think that when you see Seguin play you will see a very spirited and well coached team that may surprise you just a little. If they don't make any early mistakes and CJ doesn't jump all over them to start the game, then Seguin will not only play them tough, they'll have a chance to win it!

As far as #1 being the D1 player that everyone said he will be, I may eat my words at a later date, but I just don't see it! His hands are not that good and he doesn't have near enough speed from what I saw!

[lonny23]

You've got some points on this but if you really think about it hard, how many good 5a teams would have wanted to play either SV or SC in 98' or 99'? I truly beleive without a doubt that in those two years SV or SC would have beaten any of the 5a teams in this region! As far as what anyone would say if CJ had scheduled NB Canyon, it might have been a mistake on Judson's part to do so, I'll just leave it at that. McCollom is definately a joke though and our JV would spank them. Also, if you think about it, Seguin didn't schedule those teams this year, they did it almost two years ago. And I beleive that if Carson new that his kids were going to turn their program around that quickly he would not have scheduled Lee or McCollom!

I also think that when you see Seguin play you will see a very spirited and well coached team that may surprise you just a little. If they don't make any early mistakes and CJ doesn't jump all over them to start the game, then Seguin will not only play them tough, they'll have a chance to win it!

As far as #1 being the D1 player that everyone said he will be, I may eat my words at a later date, but I just don't see it! His hands are not that good and he doesn't have near enough speed from what I saw!
I still say the Judson Finals team in 98 would not lose to SV or SC.

[OldSCfan]

I still say the Judson Finals team in 98 would not lose to SV or SC.


That is just an opinion that can never be proven.

[SVite]

You've got some points on this but if you really think about it hard, how many good 5a teams would have wanted to play either SV or SC in 98' or 99'? I truly beleive without a doubt that in those two years SV or SC would have beaten any of the 5a teams in this region! As far as what anyone would say if CJ had scheduled NB Canyon, it might have been a mistake on Judson's part to do so, I'll just leave it at that. McCollom is definately a joke though and our JV would spank them. Also, if you think about it, Seguin didn't schedule those teams this year, they did it almost two years ago. And I beleive that if Carson new that his kids were going to turn their program around that quickly he would not have scheduled Lee or McCollom!

I also think that when you see Seguin play you will see a very spirited and well coached team that may surprise you just a little. If they don't make any early mistakes and CJ doesn't jump all over them to start the game, then Seguin will not only play them tough, they'll have a chance to win it!

As far as #1 being the D1 player that everyone said he will be, I may eat my words at a later date, but I just don't see it! His hands are not that good and he doesn't have near enough speed from what I saw!

Good post...I agree there are truley some very good 4A teams out there,and Canyon is one of them.NB is`nt too far behind.I realize that the schedules are made a couple of years ago,when Seguin was down.Seguin has been a real story these past 2 seasons.And if they can get past the 1st round,they could be the Region 4 rep. in div.1.And that program could be really tough to reckon with for many years to come.And would make region 4 stronger,adding another legit foe to the mix.

I remember in 2002 when 2 previous 4A schools played for the 5A title.Both schools were the first to do it.And assurred another record,that a 4A school from the year before,won a state title the very next year in 5A.We all kinda get side ways backing our teams alittle ;) lol,ok a bunch sometimes,but it`s because we love highschool football soo much.I`ll be pulling for who ever represents region 4 come that time.By Radio,tv, web radio,this message board,or SA sports .com. May the Strongest 2 5A teams represent!

[PaulinPlano]

:D Why is Seguin even playing 4A teams to begin with.Sounds like they were trying to get some confidence.And If they were so awsome,what kind of confidence comes from beating a lower classifacation?Unless it`s La Marque,CC Calallen.Could you imagine if Judson would have had those teams on their schedule!People would have run them hard in these forums.But,it`s not that big of deal for Seguin to do.At least every 4A team was better than most their 5A games!

Judson lost to Cove (10-0)because they missed the extra point,and on the road!Seguin WILL LOOSE,Judson wont have a 21 point deficit this game,straight up!Those diamond J`s "Will " shine in this one.Maybe Seguin scores a TD,maybe! ;) I`ll be the one with the SV hat,sitting on the red,& gray side.Mending the fence :D with Judson.HAHA....

And your right clemensbuff #1 has alligator arms,but he`s trying real hard!lol

The Matadors and the New Braunfels Unicorns have a rivalry the dates back decades. That is why they play the Unicorns. Seguin is small 5A and NB is a large 4A. What is the big deal? It was a competitive game. Shertz / Seguin was competitive.

[clemensbuff]

Good post...I agree there are truley some very good 4A teams out there,and Canyon is one of them.NB is`nt too far behind.I realize that the schedules are made a couple of years ago,when Seguin was down.Seguin has been a real story these past 2 seasons.And if they can get past the 1st round,they could be the Region 4 rep. in div.1.And that program could be really tough to reckon with for many years to come.And would make region 4 stronger,adding another legit foe to the mix.

I remember in 2002 when 2 previous 4A schools played for the 5A title.Both schools were the first to do it.And assurred another record,that a 4A school from the year before,won a state title the very next year in 5A.We all kinda get side ways backing our teams alittle ;) lol,ok a bunch sometimes,but it`s because we love highschool football soo much.I`ll be pulling for who ever represents region 4 come that time.By Radio,tv, web radio,this message board,or SA sports .com. May the Strongest 2 5A teams represent!

AMEN to that! Whoever reps R4 will get my total support!

[clemensbuff]

The Matadors and the New Braunfels Unicorns have a rivalry the dates back decades. That is why they play the Unicorns. Seguin is small 5A and NB is a large 4A. What is the big deal? It was a competitive game. Shertz / Seguin was competitive.

Good point! I don't see Seguin slipping anytime soon either. I think they are on their way up and will continue to rise. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if they are in the top 4 or 5 5a teams in the region year in and out in the future! If they can beat CJ this week, then it is on for sure! GO MATS

[rattlerbacker]

I find it interesting that Seguin and San Marcos have been ripped for losing to top 4A teams this year yet O'Connor, with a significantly larger enrollment, lost to a 4A school by a bigger margin than either of them and I've yet to see that mentioned in any discussion about OC. Hmmmm :confused:

[lonny23]

I find it interesting that Seguin and San Marcos have been ripped for losing to top 4A teams this year yet O'Connor, with a significantly larger enrollment, lost to a 4A school by a bigger margin than either of them and I've yet to see that mentioned in any discussion about OC. Hmmmm :confused:
There's a real good reason why nobody said anything. O'Connor went on to beat better teams on a weekly basis than the 25 teams did. If we didn't have so many people from 25 insulting our intelligence with the stuff you say, you wouldn't have gotten the flack you got. You guys started all the crap by saying that 25 is better than 26 because SM beat Madison.

[bubbacoach]

I can assure you the Matadors would have scheduled different harder opponenents before this season if at all possible. That schedule was made for Seguin to gain confidence two years ago, before the players believed in them selves.

I hear that Seguin and Madison are scheduled to kick off the regular season next year at the Alamodome. Anybody know if there is any truth to that? I have heard it more than once but I don't see how that is possible with out the district re alignments being out, as Seguin and Madison may end up in the same district.
These are always hand shake agreements, pending alignment. If they end up in the same district then they will not play. It happens all the time.

[clemensbuff]

There's a real good reason why nobody said anything. O'Connor went on to beat better teams on a weekly basis than the 25 teams did. If we didn't have so many people from 25 insulting our intelligence with the stuff you say, you wouldn't have gotten the flack you got. You guys started all the crap by saying that 25 is better than 26 because SM beat Madison.

Wrong again Lonny! We, at least the guys who know a little about HS football have never claimed that 25 was better than 26 overall. Please listen once and for all. We claimed and still do that our top three are better than your top 3 this year and we will prove that this weekend! And to tell you the honest truth, who really gives a monkey's dump about the rest of the teams in a district when they will have absolutely nothing to do with the outcome in any of the playoff races!!!! :p I mean who really cares which district has the better #4 to #7 or #8 team.

[clemensbuff]

Wrong again Lonny! We, at least the guys who know a little about HS football have never claimed that 25 was better than 26 overall. Please listen once and for all. We claimed and still do that our top three are better than your top 3 this year and we will prove that this weekend! And to tell you the honest truth, who really gives a monkey's dump about the rest of the teams in a district when they will have absolutely nothing to do with the outcome in any of the playoff races!!!! :p I mean who really cares which district has the better #4 to #7 or #8 team.

Lonny, where are you? I've never known you to not answer a post! Nothing to say to this or what?

[TexasRed6x]

Wrong again Lonny! We, at least the guys who know a little about HS football have never claimed that 25 was better than 26 overall. Please listen once and for all. We claimed and still do that our top three are better than your top 3 this year and we will prove that this weekend! And to tell you the honest truth, who really gives a monkey's dump about the rest of the teams in a district when they will have absolutely nothing to do with the outcome in any of the playoff races!!!! :p I mean who really cares which district has the better #4 to #7 or #8 team.

Lets all calm down here, we will all know the outcome of who is better and who is not in the next few weeks. At this point is does not matter who has played who and by how many points anyone scored. The important thing now is who wants it the most, and who is going to dig deep enough to win.

[clemensbuff]

Lets all calm down here, we will all know the outcome of who is better and who is not in the next few weeks. At this point is does not matter who has played who and by how many points anyone scored. The important thing now is who wants it the most, and who is going to dig deep enough to win.

Now TexasRed6x you know that this is the fun part and in a few weeks it will not be near as much fun to throw jabs at the fallen fighters! LOL :)

[Oskie07]

The only way Seguin will win this game is if it is a defensive game and they win the turnover battle by +2 or more. I don't see it happening. Don't get me wrong I'm glad the Seguin football program has risen from the dead, but barring a minor miracle Judson will win this game.

[clemensbuff]

The only way Seguin will win this game is if it is a defensive game and they win the turnover battle by +2 or more. I don't see it happening. Don't get me wrong I'm glad the Seguin football program has risen from the dead, but barring a minor miracle Judson will win this game.

I truly beleive the game will be exactly that, DEFENSIVE! :) I would really be surprised if the over and under breaks 35 points and if it stays under 35 it will be to Seguin's advantage. I know CJ has a great defense, but Seguin can also bring it!

GO MATS!

[lonny23]

Lonny, where are you? I've never known you to not answer a post! Nothing to say to this or what?
I'm in Kyrgyzstan. It's 12 hours later here than there. Sometimes you say stuff when I'm not here and I'm looking at numerous threads all the time.

[lonny23]

Now TexasRed6x you know that this is the fun part and in a few weeks it will not be near as much fun to throw jabs at the fallen fighters! LOL :)
Yeah, I agree. This is the best week of the year to insult the 25 teams. We got along all year, but it's a crime to not argue this week. :p

[lonny23]

Regardless of the score Judson wins.

Converse is a better place to live than Seguin! :p I don't get to say that often. :D

[PaulinPlano]

Regardless of the score Judson wins.

Converse is a better place to live than Seguin! :p I don't get to say that often. :D

Now was that really necessary?

Now you sound like one of those arrogant idiots that live in my town.

[clemensbuff]

Now was that really necessary?

Now you sound like one of those arrogant idiots that live in my town.

Not really! Now, try and show me any area of converse that is even close as nice as some of the beautiful areas in Seguin! You can't, because there is none! I guess you could count Beck Lake on 1604, but I think McQueeney is just a little bit nicer! :p Or maybe the little creek that passes under the driveway into Judson Stadium, but the Guadalupe river might be a little nicer! I'm still trying to think of a place in the Converse area that is close to as nice as areas in and around Seguin. Someone please help me with this! :D

[lonny23]

Not really! Now, try and show me any area of converse that is even close as nice as some of the beautiful areas in Seguin! You can't, because there is none! I guess you could count Beck Lake on 1604, but I think McQueeney is just a little bit nicer! :p Or maybe the little creek that passes under the driveway into Judson Stadium, but the Guadalupe river might be a little nicer! I'm still trying to think of a place in the Converse area that is close to as nice as areas in and around Seguin. Someone please help me with this! :D
I'm talking about driving through town.

[lonny23]

Now was that really necessary?

Now you sound like one of those arrogant idiots that live in my town.
My personal opinion is that neither town is that great. That's why I said it. It has nothing to do with being arrogant about the town I used to live in.

[SeguinMatadors]

Not really! Now, try and show me any area of converse that is even close as nice as some of the beautiful areas in Seguin! You can't, because there is none! I guess you could count Beck Lake on 1604, but I think McQueeney is just a little bit nicer! :p Or maybe the little creek that passes under the driveway into Judson Stadium, but the Guadalupe river might be a little nicer! I'm still trying to think of a place in the Converse area that is close to as nice as areas in and around Seguin. Someone please help me with this! :D

Lived on Lake McQueeney all my life, you guys can't complete! :)

[PaulinPlano]

Seguin has many nice areas. Last time I was down there they have several capital improvements on-going. And who does not love to go to the OAK and drink and ice-cold longneck. Seguin has been slow to develop, but that was by design by city fathers of the past.

I have always liked Seguin's location. SA is close. Austin is only 50 miles away. The Gulf is only a couple of hours away and the Guadalupe River is enjoyed by the residents and not commercialized like others. If you like quiet, it is a nice city. Texas Lutheran University has a nice campus. Lake McQueeny is also great. Wish Hot Shots was still there.

[clemensbuff]

Seguin has many nice areas. Last time I was down there they have several capital improvements on-going. And who does not love to go to the OAK and drink and ice-cold longneck. Seguin has been slow to develop, but that was by design by city fathers of the past.

I have always liked Seguin's location. SA is close. Austin is only 50 miles away. The Gulf is only a couple of hours away and the Guadalupe River is enjoyed by the residents and not commercialized like others. If you like quiet, it is a nice city. Texas Lutheran University has a nice campus. Lake McQueeny is also great. Wish Hot Shots was still there.

They also had Ice Cold longnecks there to go along with some pretty tasty catfish!

[SeguinMatadors]

Seguin has many nice areas. Last time I was down there they have several capital improvements on-going. And who does not love to go to the OAK and drink and ice-cold longneck. Seguin has been slow to develop, but that was by design by city fathers of the past.

I have always liked Seguin's location. SA is close. Austin is only 50 miles away. The Gulf is only a couple of hours away and the Guadalupe River is enjoyed by the residents and not commercialized like others. If you like quiet, it is a nice city. Texas Lutheran University has a nice campus. Lake McQueeny is also great. Wish Hot Shots was still there.

You guys keep going to the Oak and drinking. My family owns the Oak!

[PaulinPlano]

You guys keep going to the Oak and drinking. My family owns the Oak!

Are you related to Melvin?

[SeguinMatadors]

Are you related to Melvin?

That is my great uncle. He and his sisters, my great Aunts and my grandma, own it since my Great Grandma Voight died about two years ago.

[SeguinMatadors]

That is my great uncle. He and his sisters, my great Aunts and my grandma, own it since my Great Grandma Voight died about two years ago.

How do you know him? Just by going in there?

[lonny23]

Hey, we have a family reunion! :D

Next up on The Days of Our Lives....Well, let's just say it's the worst day of Seguin's life! :D

[clemensbuff]

You guys keep going to the Oak and drinking. My family owns the Oak!

No wonder your family had enough cash to live on Treasure Island! :)

[PaulinPlano]

That is my great uncle. He and his sisters, my great Aunts and my grandma, own it since my Great Grandma Voight died about two years ago.

I think I remember someone telling me she passed away. I believe I have a picture somewhere we took with her. I know all who ever patronized the OAK will miss her.

[SeguinMatadors]

I think I remember someone telling me she passed away. I believe I have a picture somewhere we took with her. I know all who ever patronized the OAK will miss her.

Appreciate that.

[PaulinPlano]

How do you know him? Just by going in there?

Yes. My brother also was in a dart league there. But I have been going to the OAK since my dad took me in there as a 6 year old after the 4th of July parade. Over 30 years ago. Before they expanded it.

[PaulinPlano]

Hey, we have a family reunion! :D

Next up on The Days of Our Lives....Well, let's just say it's the worst day of Seguin's life! :D

And you have NEVER strayed from a thread...

Go Matadors, Beat the missiles.

[lonny23]

And you have NEVER strayed from a thread...

Go Matadors, Beat the missiles.
I'm going to give you and over/under of 3.

If I have 3 posts in a thread, I said something off-topic! :D

[lonny23]

Lonny,

I am still waiting for your inside the numbers analysis of how district 25 is full of pretenders, and Judson is peaking at the right time post.

:)
Let's see.

25-5A is 0-6 in the last 2 playoff years.
26-5A is 20-6 in the last 2 playoff years, with Judson pulling a 7-2.

[lonny23]

Hey, we have a family reunion! :D

Next up on The Days of Our Lives....Well, let's just say it's the worst day of Seguin's life! :D
I was wrong. Seguin's worst day is coming up in about 3 weeks!:p

[RedRage00]

Lonny, you need some sort of medication??

[lonny23]

Lonny, you need some sort of medication??
No, I know what I'm doing. It didn't take long to find the 4 threads and I didn't look for more.