Baylor vs Wake Forest ??

[Texasfrog]

I'm thinking upset here. I think Baylor wins a close one and Coach Briles starts off at Baylor with a big "W."

[dragons08]

Eh, i highly doubt it.

It's baylor.

[CKE]

I'm thinking upset here. I think Baylor wins a close one and Coach Briles starts off at Baylor with a big "W."

agreed

[Sicemhorns09]

I'm thinking upset here. I think Baylor wins a close one and Coach Briles starts off at Baylor with a big "W."

Eh, we have talent in our starters...the only problem is depth. Should be exciting....the game is on FSN HD, so be sure to tune in. Sic'em!

[slorch]

Bible Bowl

[Texasfrog]

Bible Bowl

Ha-Ha... Good one.

[Texasfrog]

Eh, we have talent in our starters...the only problem is depth. Should be exciting....the game is on FSN HD, so be sure to tune in. Sic'em!

Ya, I'm thinking that also. I think the talent with the top 22 players on both teams wont be that different. It will be "depth" after that and how Baylor is doing with Coach Briles new schemes.

I'm thinking this game could easily be a 4th Qt battle. Especially since it's a big opening Home Game for Baylor.

[lonny23]

Bible Bowl
I've always thought a few deacons had demons!:D

[Firebird]

I like Wake in this game. It's obviously a very interesting matchup. Wake is what Baylor can realistically hope to be. Even though the 22 players might be about equal in talent, I think coaching and several years of stability make the difference for Wake. Jim Grobe is a fantastic coach and what he has done with WF is nothing short of astonishing. They will be ready to play, though I can see BU keeping it close. Briles needs to take notes on how to take a small private school to a competitive level in a BCS conference.

[AboutTreeFiddy]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Baptists will win...

Okay, okay.

I will be cheering for Baylor, though.

[slorch]

I'll take Wake by 20.( I think the line is Wake-11 not sure though)

Folks look at Tech and just think the offense is so easy that is like being on autopilot.

Kliff Kingsbury took a beating the first couple of years, to the point that the opponents constantly commented that he was the toughest SOB they had played. Those hits are not just because of the QB, but also a very different blocking scheme. As a fan, the offense will drive you absolutely bejeezers with the 3 yard outs on 3rd and 5. All I can tell bear fans is, don't get too excited either way, there are lots of growing pains in this scheme. I do think good things are ahead for Baylor, though.

[CKE]

I'll take Wake by 20.( I think the line is Wake-11 not sure though)

Folks look at Tech and just think the offense is so easy that is like being on autopilot.

Kliff Kingsbury took a beating the first couple of years, to the point that the opponents constantly commented that he was the toughest SOB they had played. Those hits are not just because of the QB, but also a very different blocking scheme. As a fan, the offense will drive you absolutely bejeezers with the 3 yard outs on 3rd and 5. All I can tell bear fans is, don't get too excited either way, there are lots of growing pains in this scheme. I do think good things are ahead for Baylor, though.

Its not like Briels is new to the spread offense.The way I see it is he is just coaching up a new class that just came into houston. And with baylor adapting the 4-3 it is just going to make Joe Pawelek and Jordan Lake better. I do agree it will take some time but by time I mean games not seasons

[Firebird]

Its not like Briels is new to the spread offense.The way I see it is he is just coaching up a new class that just came into houston. And with baylor adapting the 4-3 it is just going to make Joe Pawelek and Jordan Lake better. I do agree it will take some time but by time I mean games not seasons


Leach wasn't new to the O he brought to Lubbock either. Slorch was right, there were plenty of times in those early years when KK took a pounding. There will be some big disappointments for the Bear offense this season. Additionally, Leach took over a team that under Dykes had the talent to win 7 or 8 games a year in the Big XII and go bowling, playing old-school football. Briles doesn't have that legacy or talent to work with.

Not to say he can't turn things around eventually, but he's got a much bigger job ahead of him at Baylor than most of the posters on here want to recognize. He is also playing in a much more competitive division now. The Big XII south is one of the best around.

[slorch]

Its not like Briels is new to the spread offense.The way I see it is he is just coaching up a new class that just came into houston. And with baylor adapting the 4-3 it is just going to make Joe Pawelek and Jordan Lake better. I do agree it will take some time but by time I mean games not seasons

Leach wasn't new either. he had run it at OU and Kentucky. It is new for the players, however. We'll see tonight, and like I said, don't judge it good or bad from one game.

[slorch]

Wake Forest's offensive starters made me flash back to Tech's last year.
Experienced Junior QB
4 Junior starters on OL
1 senior starter on offense.
strong kicker

[slorch]

Well, Bear fans, at least your team is avoiding the 3 yard outs on 3rd & 5.

two "3 and not even close's" so far

[pied]

As a Texan, this crowd is embarrassing.

[jtk1519]

Kirby Freeman = teh suck. I was really hoping he would be reborn at Baylor, but he's off to a terrible start. You can file Freeman with Stephen McGee under "great high school QBs who ruined their futures with their college selections".

[slorch]

As a Texan, this crowd is embarrassing.

but it's damn hot( 94), and no beer is to be had by the Baptists...

This game is really a cruel tease on Baylor fans. In the Demon Deacons, they are seeing what their offense might look like in two years...

[pied]

They need the Chinese(or Aussies) to CGI them a full stadium!

[slorch]

Merry Christmas on the interception...
this is the point when you're sitting in a sports book in vegas with a grand on WF-11, and enjoying the evening:D

[slorch]

Pawelek is just a freaking player. I like the way he gets after it.

[CKE]

Joe Pawelek just got his first big hit highlite of the season

[TXFOOSBALL]

Well...at least baylor has some cute cheerleaders this year.

[slorch]

perfect throw by Griffin to Gettis. Looked like Gettis was playing dodgeball and got drilled in the chest.

[jtk1519]

Baylor will not take back the Brazos with Freeman or that other guy with the long name, but they may with mini-Vince there.

[CKE]

Baylor will not take back the Brazos with Freeman or that other guy with the long name, but they may with mini-Vince there.

Agreed I think Baylor has found their QB

[Dawg Fan]

Baylor's defense is terrible. (except for Pawelek)I really thought they would look better than this and Kirby looks like he never played at QB before. I like that freshman QB for Baylor but they are a loooooooong way from being a good football team.

[cove_2001]

Helluva play by Robert Griffin to say inbounds and still get yards!!

I couldn't wait to see him play for Baylor and it only made Briles decision easier when Freeman was throwing crazy passes into double coverage.

:)

[TheBigPeach]

Score?

[Dawg Fan]

Score?

27-6 Wake

[cove_2001]

27-6 for Wake. Baylor fumbled it twice and seem to not have Briles offense quite down yet.

[Dawg Fan]

The Bears are pathetic:( I really thought they would look better than this at home with a new coach.

[Firebird]

I gotta ask.....I am truly mystified by the amount of optimism for the Bears in this game. This is their very first game under a new coach, they didn't have a lot coming back, and what they do have coming back was part of a terrible team from the year before. They're facing a very solid top 25 team in Wake Forest, and moreover the worst kind of top 25 team for Baylor to try to upset. Wake is a team that knows they aren't going to bowl you over with raw talent and athletes and instead is well coached and played disciplined ball.

Again, this is not a knock on Briles as he is a good coach and might turn things around, but he has a heckuva a job ahead of him. UH took some time under him, there's no reason why Baylor won't as well. There was really no reason to expect them to pull this upset other than just a bit of misplaced excitement over a new face.

[jtk1519]

Any optimism for this game was foolish, but there is reason to be optimistic for the season. Let them iron out some kinks and lock Freeman in the locker room before the game and there is great hope. Wake is a good team. Easily the best in the ACC which means they are probably good enough to win the Big Televen going away. Baylor lost to a good team.

[cove_2001]

I gotta ask.....I am truly mystified by the amount of optimism for the Bears in this game. This is their very first game under a new coach, they didn't have a lot coming back, and what they do have coming back was part of a terrible team from the year before. They're facing a very solid top 25 team in Wake Forest, and moreover the worst kind of top 25 team for Baylor to try to upset. Wake is a team that knows they aren't going to bowl you over with raw talent and athletes and instead is well coached and played disciplined ball.

Again, this is not a knock on Briles as he is a good coach and might turn things around, but he has a heckuva a job ahead of him. UH took some time under him, there's no reason why Baylor won't as well. There was really no reason to expect them to pull this upset other than just a bit of misplaced excitement over a new face.

I am going to be honest with you I am not a fan of Baylor. I am only rooting for them because a few of the guys from my high school play there including Robert Griffin.
There is so much buzz in Baylor because of (potential)Griffin and what he can do once Briles spread offense starts to click. If you watched the game the crowd was going crazy when Griffin came in and appeared that team responded and played with more of a passion. Briles offense showed some glimpses of what could happen in this game. It appears they do need more work on it and for Baylor to get the defense on track. Like you said it might take a few seasons before Baylor gets out of the cellar but things look good for Baylor with Briles and Griffin(assuming he progresses like most QB's).

[wesaxman34]

Griffin and Briles are the Bears' future. I wouldn't be surprised to see Baylor ending their bowl drought in the next 3 years or so.

[jakerz]

Just got back from the game...what an embarrassing crowd.

Griffen is the real deal as I've seen the last couple of years. He fits that scheme perfectly. Him in 4 years will be unreal.

[Mean DT]

I'm thinking upset here. I think Baylor wins a close one and Coach Briles starts off at Baylor with a big "W."

Baylor wins in close one, I hear their D looks great.

[dragons08]

i told you wake would kill em. my friend who goes to baylor has been talking em up, yankee and i said they'd get KILLED...sure enough they suck.

[wesaxman34]

Just got back from the game...what an embarrassing crowd.

Griffen is the real deal as I've seen the last couple of years. He fits that scheme perfectly. Him in 4 years will be unreal.

Are you new to Baylor games? They are always like that...with the exception of the A&M games and the TCU game a couple years ago.

You know it's bad when a flood of the paying customers below the press box consistently leave the home games well before the the 4th quarter.

[Texasfrog]

Baylor wins in close one, I hear their D looks great.

Too bad you didnt say that before the game.:rolleyes:;)

Everybody is always an expert after that fact.:rolleyes:

[dragons08]

The SC vs Lufkin and SC vs Abiline game saw wayyy more people in that stadium than baylor had there today...embarssing.

[Texasfrog]

The SC vs Lufkin and SC vs Abiline game saw wayyy more people in that stadium than baylor had there today...embarssing.

I watched the game for about 3 qts. It looked to me like they had a nice home crowd for the 1st home game. Not saying the stadium was overflowing but it looked like it was about 75% full.

[Texasfrog]

The SC vs Lufkin and SC vs Abiline game saw wayyy more people in that stadium than baylor had there today...embarssing.

I cant remember what the attendance for SLC vs Lufkin, Abilene and Trinity playoff games were. I know it was packed in all 3 games and the Trinity game was pushing 45,000.

The Baylor sports site says the attendance for the Baylor v Wake Forest game was 30,633.

But, I would say there is many D-1A college teams across America that wish they had the attendance on game day as some of the SLC playoff games.

[jtk1519]

The stadium was a little over half full. The article I read said 30,000.

[dragons08]

I cant remember what the attendance for SLC vs Lufkin, Abilene and Trinity playoff games were. I know it was packed in all 3 games and the Trinity game was pushing 45,000.

The Baylor sports site says the attendance for the Baylor v Wake Forest game was 30,633.

But, I would say there is many D-1A college teams across America that wish they had the attendance on game day as some of the SLC playoff games.

UNT for example...

[yankee]

the on ly time baylor fills up 75 percent of theitr stadium is when a big name school comes to town.

[Sicemhorns09]

Just got back from the game...what an embarrassing crowd.

Griffen is the real deal as I've seen the last couple of years. He fits that scheme perfectly. Him in 4 years will be unreal.

You have to keep in mind that student turnout was nearly 80-85%. Furthermore, Wake, due to allotment, had appx. 10,000 seats reserved, but obviously most of those went unsold because of the lack of proximity between Carolina and Texas. Lastly, most alumni that usually show for games could not make it to town with a late start on a Thursday night....although the attendance was low, it is a tad misleading.

[slorch]

Too bad you didnt say that before the game.:rolleyes:;)

Everybody is always an expert after that fact.:rolleyes:

someone predicted Wake by 20 before the game...

Can we get that added to the Top Gun contest?:D

[slorch]

You have to keep in mind that student turnout was nearly 80-85%. Furthermore, Wake, due to allotment, had appx. 10,000 seats reserved, but obviously most of those went unsold because of the lack of proximity between Carolina and Texas. Lastly, most alumni that usually show for games could not make it to town with a late start on a Thursday night....although the attendance was low, it is a tad misleading.

It's the dawn of the Briles era with a Top 25 team coming to town, and the stands looked like the night Lufkin and Copperas Cove played there.

I can see why folks would want to wait...:rolleyes:

[jakerz]

Are you new to Baylor games? They are always like that...with the exception of the A&M games and the TCU game a couple years ago.

You know it's bad when a flood of the paying customers below the press box consistently leave the home games well before the the 4th quarter.

Nah but with Briles in and it being televised (rare for BU games) I thought they would at least pack 3/4th of the stadium. At the Texas vs. BU games about 75% of the fans there are wearing Texas shirts.

[Firebird]

You have to keep in mind that student turnout was nearly 80-85%. Furthermore, Wake, due to allotment, had appx. 10,000 seats reserved, but obviously most of those went unsold because of the lack of proximity between Carolina and Texas. Lastly, most alumni that usually show for games could not make it to town with a late start on a Thursday night....although the attendance was low, it is a tad misleading.


That's a lot of seats to give a guest. Also, most schools buy back the unsold tickets. I was a bit surprised, with all the buzz coming out of Waco I figured on a bigger crowd even on Thursday.

[rancher52]

You have to keep in mind that student turnout was nearly 80-85%. Furthermore, Wake, due to allotment, had appx. 10,000 seats reserved, but obviously most of those went unsold because of the lack of proximity between Carolina and Texas. Lastly, most alumni that usually show for games could not make it to town with a late start on a Thursday night....although the attendance was low, it is a tad misleading.


I wonder what dictates the 10,000 seats -- Wake is like the 4th smallest DI-A school and they have a very small alumni and fan base. I think the school is really something -- great academics, successful sports programs, and their HC has proven he can do it.

[cajun]

I wonder what dictates the 10,000 seats -- Wake is like the 4th smallest DI-A school and they have a very small alumni and fan base. I think the school is really something -- great academics, successful sports programs, and their HC has proven he can do it.

Waiting to see Ole Miss play Wake in a couple of weeks...I was expecting alittle more from Baylor though last night...17 returning starters and new coach....Not very intense, in my humble opinion...

[Texasfrog]

someone predicted Wake by 20 before the game...

Can we get that added to the Top Gun contest?:D

"NO !!", You get no credit for that Slorch.:D:eek:

[DrEdward]

I wonder what dictates the 10,000 seats -- Wake is like the 4th smallest DI-A school and they have a very small alumni and fan base. I think the school is really something -- great academics, successful sports programs, and their HC has proven he can do it.

Wake is indeed a very good school and in a very nice area of the country. You're correct about the size; I think Wake Forest U has a total student population of well under 7,000 and a sizable number of those are graduate students, not at all likely to be making such a trip to Waco on a Thursday evening.

[Sicemhorns09]

Nah but with Briles in and it being televised (rare for BU games) I thought they would at least pack 3/4th of the stadium. At the Texas vs. BU games about 75% of the fans there are wearing Texas shirts.

It has never been near 75%

[Texasfrog]

For the record I thought Baylors run-defense was pretty decent. The Baylor secondary NEVER showed up.

The defense was on the field way way too much.

Last, Kirby Freeman is a great youngman but it's time to hang the cleats up. He and his brother were both highly prized recruits coming out of Brownwood that never really reached their top end potential.

[Sicemhorns09]

The Baylor secondary NEVER showed up.



I could not agree with you more. Guy Morriss did a terrible job at recruiting the secondary. In fact, Krys Buerck who finished camp #1 on the depth chart for CB has never played in the secondary at the DI level.....last season, he was a WR. Buerck was burned on multiple occasions, and Skinner continued to pick on him all night long. Hopefully the secondary shows up soon for the Bears because the spread happy Big 12 South is lurking!!

[Texasfrog]

I could not agree with you more. Guy Morriss did a terrible job at recruiting the secondary. In fact, Krys Buerck who finished camp #1 on the depth chart for CB has never played in the secondary at the DI level.....last season, he was a WR. Buerck was burned on multiple occasions, and Skinner continued to pick on him all night long. Hopefully the secondary shows up soon for the Bears because the spread happy Big 12 South is lurking!!

You read my mind. I was thinking the exact same thing. If Wake Forest (spread offense) is tearing through Baylor. Which Wake Forest has a very solid (Top #25 caliber offense).

But, I would say there is at least 7 teams in the Big-12 that can match Wake Forest offense and Baylor better tighten that (Secondary) up.