#9 Florida St (ACC) bye bye [Archive] - 5A Texas Football Forum

farmerfan

11-06-2005, 02:21 AM

Hoo-rah Frog....

The ACC is over-rated...
sorry Farmer and Junkie...but it's true.

after tonight some of us are looking like idiots that I will give you. But come on wide you even know that this year the big 12 has one great football team, and one solid one in Tech that is it. As much as the ACC is overrated to some of yall, the Big 12 by no means catches the eye as a dominating conference. I still think the ACC is a better overall conference than the Big 12 this year, it might not be the best, but I still believe it is a better conference than the BIG 12. I have stated that traditionaly it is not and I dont expect it to stay this way, I think the Big 12 will emerge next year as a strong conference once again, its just that this year after Texas, no one sticks out as a great team.

jtk1519

11-06-2005, 02:55 AM

FootballJunkie

11-08-2005, 10:23 AM

Oh my, oh my... how the mighty great unstoppable world dominate #9 Florida St get their butts spanked by a (4-4) North Carolina St team.

Wow.. whay say you JUNKIE ??? What say you now !!!??

Do you still think their top #10 ?? NUFF SAID huh !! :eek:

OVER-RATED !!!!!!!!!!!!! just like I've been saying for months.

This one hurt almost as much as VT. :( Had to pull myself back on the curb from that oncoming bus I was about to walk in front of!! :eek:

FootballJunkie

11-08-2005, 10:24 AM

The difference between the ACC and the Big XII is that the Big XII has a legit great team... the ACC doesn’t and never did. Virginia Tech was nothing more than a media manufactured anomaly that was quickly dispatched by a decent team.

The Big XII has a great team followed by a couple of good teams and then a bunch of suck. The ACC is a bunch of suck with a couple of good teams on top.

As much as I would love to argue this point with you...I seem to have run out of amunition for now ;)

Texasfrog

11-09-2005, 09:03 AM

This one hurt almost as much as VT. :( Had to pull myself back on the curb from that oncoming bus I was about to walk in front of!! :eek:

Could be worse.... Two guys that I work with are Va Tech (Alums) that went to the game at Lane Stadium. They havent said anything for 3 days now.

Reaganrattler07

11-09-2005, 10:24 AM

after tonight some of us are looking like idiots that I will give you. But come on wide you even know that this year the big 12 has one great football team, and one solid one in Tech that is it. As much as the ACC is overrated to some of yall, the Big 12 by no means catches the eye as a dominating conference. I still think the ACC is a better overall conference than the Big 12 this year, it might not be the best, but I still believe it is a better conference than the BIG 12. I have stated that traditionaly it is not and I dont expect it to stay this way, I think the Big 12 will emerge next year as a strong conference once again, its just that this year after Texas, no one sticks out as a great team.

Couldn't have said it better.....Amato is like the only one to ever beat Florida St. or something....he knows the system there.

Reaganrattler07

11-09-2005, 10:25 AM

The difference between the ACC and the Big XII is that the Big XII has a legit great team... the ACC doesn’t and never did. Virginia Tech was nothing more than a media manufactured anomaly that was quickly dispatched by a decent team.

The Big XII has a great team followed by a couple of good teams and then a bunch of suck. The ACC is a bunch of suck with a couple of good teams on top.

Bud Foster said it best "A few players came out and gave it their all....and the erest were just adequate....and just adequate is not enough to take on an elite team".

FootballJunkie

11-09-2005, 11:01 AM

Couldn't have said it better.....Amato is like the only one to ever beat Florida St. or something....he knows the system there.

No Amato is not the only one to beat FSU...He was the first to do it in Tallahasse a few years back though. That win probably saved his job this year :cool:

Reaganrattler07

11-10-2005, 09:29 PM

No Amato is not the only one to beat FSU...He was the first to do it in Tallahasse a few years back though. That win probably saved his job this year :cool:

Amato was first to do it a few years back and he did it again....that's giving fits if the's the only one....I know he's not the only of course but he's been able to do it at home. You have to give it to him, he upsets quite a few teams every year. Last year it was Miami and Tech and this year it is FSU and Ga. Tech.

FootballJunkie

11-10-2005, 10:59 PM

Amato was first to do it a few years back and he did it again....that's giving fits if the's the only one....I know he's not the only of course but he's been able to do it at home. You have to give it to him, he upsets quite a few teams every year. Last year it was Miami and Tech and this year it is FSU and Ga. Tech.

He beat them a few years ago with Phillip Rivers. After rivers left it seems he wins a couple he is not supposed to just to keep his job. He was an asst. with FSU for like 20 years so he knows their system and should find a way to beat them. His days are numbered though because he does not win the ones he is supposed to win.

FootballJunkie

11-13-2005, 02:12 PM

Oh my, oh my... how the mighty great unstoppable world dominate #9 Florida St get their butts spanked by a (4-4) North Carolina St team.

Wow.. whay say you JUNKIE ??? What say you now !!!??

Do you still think their top #10 ?? NUFF SAID huh !! :eek:

OVER-RATED !!!!!!!!!!!!! just like I've been saying for months.

Looks like Texas Tech got the same treatment this week. Losing to a 4-5 OK St. Yea you were right about FSU as they bit the dust again. Such is life. ;)

Texasfrog

11-13-2005, 02:38 PM

Looks like Texas Tech got the same treatment this week. Losing to a 4-5 OK St. Yea you were right about FSU as they bit the dust again. Such is life. ;)

Texas Tech was upset.. They lost a game they shouldnt of lost. Their a good team that didnt come to play.

Florida St is just flat *** OVER-RATED !!! They just got smoked by Clemson by 21 pts and for the love of God the voters still have them in the top #25 !!!

Way Way Way Way to much love and respect for Bowden !!! Florida St is no way or shape a #25 team.

Tx Tech would beat them and Iowa ST (hands down) would beat them.

FARMER..... sorry bro.. Looking at the two teams now (Fla St & Tx A&M). Both are pathetic.... but Tx A&M is better. Not much... but their better.

Florida St is so un-Godly OVER-RATED is borderline pathetic and sick. I cannot believe the "voters" still have them in the top #25.

FootballJunkie

11-13-2005, 03:03 PM

Texas Tech was upset.. They lost a game they shouldnt of lost. Their a good team that didnt come to play.

Florida St is just flat *** OVER-RATED !!! They just got smoked by Clemson by 21 pts and for the love of God the voters still have them in the top #25 !!!

Way Way Way Way to much love and respect for Bowden !!! Florida St is no way or shape a #25 team.

Tx Tech would beat them and Iowa ST (hands down) would beat them.

FARMER..... sorry bro.. Looking at the two teams now (Fla St & Tx A&M). Both are pathetic.... but Tx A&M is better. Not much... but their better.

Florida St is so un-Godly OVER-RATED is borderline pathetic and sick. I cannot believe the "voters" still have them in the top #25.

One thing, as bad as FSU is and right now they are BAD. They are still not as bad as aTm. FSU will be playing in a bowl this year. TT was never ahead againts 105th ranked OK st. the WHOLE game. They were overated as well ;) Big Time!!!!

farmerfan

11-13-2005, 03:24 PM

Texas Tech was upset.. They lost a game they shouldnt of lost. Their a good team that didnt come to play.

Florida St is just flat *** OVER-RATED !!! They just got smoked by Clemson by 21 pts and for the love of God the voters still have them in the top #25 !!!

Way Way Way Way to much love and respect for Bowden !!! Florida St is no way or shape a #25 team.

Tx Tech would beat them and Iowa ST (hands down) would beat them.

FARMER..... sorry bro.. Looking at the two teams now (Fla St & Tx A&M). Both are pathetic.... but Tx A&M is better. Not much... but their better.

Florida St is so un-Godly OVER-RATED is borderline pathetic and sick. I cannot believe the "voters" still have them in the top #25.

good call on the Clemson game.

However as Junkie stated, no matter how bad FSU is, A&M is that much worse. If FSU and A&M were to play FSU would ligth up the A&M secondary. Not because FSU has a great offense but because A&M's defense is that bad. Rhett Bomar just had one of his best games of his college carrer and it came against the A&M defense. If the ags were to play the noles no way does A&M beat FSU.

Texasfrog

11-13-2005, 03:37 PM

good call on the Clemson game.

However as Junkie stated, no matter how bad FSU is, A&M is that much worse. If FSU and A&M were to play FSU would ligth up the A&M secondary. Not because FSU has a great offense but because A&M's defense is that bad. Rhett Bomar just had one of his best games of his college carrer and it came against the A&M defense. If the ags were to play the noles no way does A&M beat FSU.

Oklahoma's offense is 5 times better then Florida St offense !!! Why do you keep believing that Florida St has this great "OFFENSE". It's pathetic !! They cant run the ball and honestly they cant throw the ball.

You'r trying to compare Oklahoma with Florida ST ????... Oklahoma is better then Florida St. Rhett Bomar is better then Weatherford.

Both teams are equally bad and pathetic (Tx A&M & Florida St).

I'll put it to you this way... IF you want to believe Florida St is better... :rolleyes: that cool. But, I'll tell you right now they aint that much better. On an average game mabye 7 pts better (at best).

Its a complete joke that (Florida St) is still a top #25 rated team. Way to much national respect and love for Florida st. Still living in the past..

Texasfrog

11-13-2005, 03:45 PM

One thing, as bad as FSU is and right now they are BAD. They are still not as bad as aTm. FSU will be playing in a bowl this year. TT was never ahead againts 105th ranked OK st. the WHOLE game. They were overated as well ;) Big Time!!!!

Well.. we'll see how over-rated Tx Tech is when the Bowl games start. Something tells me that you might be wrong. I think Tx Tech is pretty scrappy. I'll tell you this.... Tx Tech belongs in the top #25 a hell of alot more then Florida St does.

Tx Tech would beat Florida St. I'm 95% sure of that. (10 games... Tx Tech beat Florida St 7 times). Hell,, Florida St pass defense aint all that either bro. Tx Tech would probably put over 400 yd passing on them.

As far as Florida St being bowl eligable so their better then Tx A&M...??? Trust me that means nothing to me. I look at the teams and they look and play on the field. You're doing like alot of the voters and giving Florida St to much love mostly because of the "PAST" and not the "PRESENT."

We'll see how bad Tx Tech suckes when the Bowl games comes around.

PS. That no good Ohio St team looks like their still in the running for the Big-10 title huh. Wasnt it you two that were saying that Ohio St was a second tier Big-10 team and Texas win (at Ohio St in the Horseshoe) didnt really mean anything.....

farmerfan

11-13-2005, 03:46 PM

Oklahoma's offense is 5 times better then Florida St offense !!! Why do you keep believing that Florida St has this great "OFFENSE". It's pathetic !! They cant run the ball and honestly they cant throw the ball.

You'r trying to compare Oklahoma with Florida ST ????... Oklahoma is better then Florida St. Rhett Bomar is better then Weatherford.

Both teams are equally bad and pathetic (Tx A&M & Florida St).

I'll put it to you this way... IF you want to believe Florida St is better... :rolleyes: that cool. But, I'll tell you right now they aint that much better. On an average game mabye 7 pts better (at best).

Its a complete joke that (Florida St) is still a top #25 rated team. Way to much national respect and love for Florida st. Still living in the past..

Reread my post again, I never said that the FSU offesne was great, however any offense is great against the A&M defense. Rhett Bomar had not had a dominate game as a college QB, if im not mistaken he did against A&M. ISU is another team that will not blow you away being a offensive juggernaut, but against A&M they were.
Colorado has had a hard time scoring points, against A&M they had no trouble at all.
Texas State a D1AA team had over 400 yards and 30 points against A&M. So yes against A&M i believe taht the FSU offense would move the ball at will and score many points.

Texasfrog

11-13-2005, 04:00 PM

Reread my post again, I never said that the FSU offesne was great, however any offense is great against the A&M defense. Rhett Bomar had not had a dominate game as a college QB, if im not mistaken he did against A&M. ISU is another team that will not blow you away being a offensive juggernaut, but against A&M they were.
Colorado has had a hard time scoring points, against A&M they had no trouble at all.
Texas State a D1AA team had over 400 yards and 30 points against A&M. So yes against A&M i believe taht the FSU offense would move the ball at will and score many points.

Rhett Bomar has been getting better all year. Plus, he has two new targets that he really didnt have most of the year that are growing along with him (Kelley and Iglesie) plus Adrian Peterson aint to shabby back there running the ball.

Oklahoma has a pretty solid "offensive machine" right now.

Second.. you want to throw around stats without really looking at Florida St.

NC State and Clemson arent really great teams are even great offensives.

NC State vs Florida St:

average gain- 4.4 yds
rushing - 196 rushing yds
passing - 85 passing yds

Clemson vs Florida St:

average gain - 4.6 yds
Whitehurst went (21-32-269 yds - 3 td - 1int).

Two so so teams averaged freaking almost 5 yds a play against Florida St's defense. And please dont tell me that because Clemson and NC St are real teams.

FootballJunkie

11-13-2005, 04:07 PM

Rhett Bomar has been getting better all year. Plus, he has two new targets that he really didnt have most of the year that are growing along with him (Kelley and Iglesie) plus Adrian Peterson aint to shabby back there running the ball.

Oklahoma has a pretty solid "offensive machine" right now.

Second.. you want to throw around stats without really looking at Florida St.

NC State and Clemson arent really great teams are even great offensives.

NC State vs Florida St:

average gain- 4.4 yds
rushing - 196 rushing yds
passing - 85 passing yds

Clemson vs Florida St:

average gain - 4.6 yds
Whitehurst went (21-32-269 yds - 3 td - 1int).

Two so so teams averaged freaking almost 5 yds a play against Florida St's defense. And please dont tell me that because Clemson and NC St are real teams.
Calm down FROG...you take a simple post and go way left. We have all agreed that FSU is playing badly...just not as bad as aTm...I mean to compare 1AA Texas State putting up 400 on aTm and Clemson and NCST doing 4 yards a play on FSU is beyond comparing not even YOU would deny that. :D

farmerfan

11-13-2005, 04:15 PM

Texasfrog

11-13-2005, 07:10 PM

Rhett Bomar had been struggling all year, yesterday he set carrer highs in completion percentage and passing yards. Lets not forget that Iowa States Todd Blythe set a school record in receiving yards and TD receptions agaisnt the Ags while QB Bret Myer set carrer high's in TD passes as well as yards

What i am trying to get accross to you is that no matter who the team, this A&M defense will give up mass quantities of points and yards. OU had not eclpised 500 yards of total offense this year till yesterday, the same was said for Iowa State and their game with the AGS. I dont care how bad FSU is, they would put up 40 points on this aggie defense and the aggie offense is not good enough to stay in the game.

I'm not an Aggie fan. I just dont agree with you at all. Here, let me tell you this. The high and mighty Florida St would be just another so called "HO HUM" team in the Big-12.

I do think teams like Tx Tech, Iowa St and Colorado would beat them.

Florida St isnt that good at all. Its a "JOKE" that they're in the top #25. Their offense is a joke and their defense is average at best. Florida St would be maybe the 5th or 6th best overall team in the Big-12.

PS. I also believe Tx A&M vs Fla St would be a pretty 'even matched' game overall.

FootballJunkie

11-13-2005, 07:39 PM

I'm not an Aggie fan. I just dont agree with you at all. Here, let me tell you this. The high and mighty Florida St would be just another so called "HO HUM" team in the Big-12.

I do think teams like Tx Tech, Iowa St and Colorado would beat them.

Florida St isnt that good at all. Its a "JOKE" that they're in the top #25. Their offense is a joke and their defense is average at best. Florida St would be maybe the 5th or 6th best overall team in the Big-12.

PS. I also believe Tx A&M vs Fla St would be a pretty 'even matched' game overall.

Again good pick on that Clemson over FSU, but aTm being on par with FSU is a joke. aTm has won 3 games in the Big XII Baylor,OK St.,and Kansas St. who are a combined 3-17 in conference. One of those wins was OT, the other they had to hang on and pray. Say what ever you want, you can take any FSU team from the past 20 years including this year and none of them have been as bad as aTm is this year.

FSU probably is not a top 20 team at this point but Texas Tech losing to 105th ranked OK St. does not show me how they are a top 20 team either!!

Texasfrog

11-13-2005, 08:09 PM

Again good pick on that Clemson over FSU, but aTm being on par with FSU is a joke. aTm has won 3 games in the Big XII Baylor,OK St.,and Kansas St. who are a combined 3-17 in conference. One of those wins was OT, the other they had to hang on and pray. Say what ever you want, you can take any FSU team from the past 20 years including this year and none of them have been as bad as aTm is this year.

FSU probably is not a top 20 team at this point but Texas Tech losing to 105th ranked OK St. does not show me how they are a top 20 team either!!

I'm not talking about 20 years ago or any of that. I'm talking about this season. FSU isnt that good. Their not even top #25 much less top #20. Please dont tell me that FSU is a top #25 team.

There about 5th overall in the ACC and guess what...??? They would be about 5th in the Big-12.

I still think that both of them (Tx A&M and FSU) arent good and about equal overall. Both are downright pathetic.

Now... Tx Tech !! Bad game against OSU. I think it was more that they just over-looked OSU than anything. Also... just like I've stated before. I dont think Tx Tech is a top #15 team. I do think their a top #25. Somewhere in the #20 range. I bet that whoever they (Tx Tech) play in a bowl. I bet they beat them and maybe even blow them out.

The reason Big-12 teams sometimes play Tx Tech tough is because they've gotten a few years of playing against them and looking at them. But, teams that dont see them and play against them sometimes get beaten easy because that offense isnt easy to adjust to.

It wont surprise me if Oklahoma beats Tx Tech this week. But, going to Lubbock and playing on the astro-turf against that offense is tough.
This game should be a barn-burner. Oklahomas youngsters are starting to come around it looks like.

Last.. we'll see how FSU does against a "SO SO" Univ-Florida team. IF Univ-Florida beats them somewhat easy. I dont want to hear anything.

farmerfan

11-13-2005, 08:15 PM

So when Tech loses it is because they over-look but when any team in the ACC loses you are quick to mention how bad they are. Once again Frog you are living proof of a double standard.

FootballJunkie

11-13-2005, 10:16 PM

I'm not talking about 20 years ago or any of that. I'm talking about this season. FSU isnt that good. Their not even top #25 much less top #20. Please dont tell me that FSU is a top #25 team.

There about 5th overall in the ACC and guess what...??? They would be about 5th in the Big-12.

I still think that both of them (Tx A&M and FSU) arent good and about equal overall. Both are downright pathetic.

Now... Tx Tech !! Bad game against OSU. I think it was more that they just over-looked OSU than anything. Also... just like I've stated before. I dont think Tx Tech is a top #15 team. I do think their a top #25. Somewhere in the #20 range. I bet that whoever they (Tx Tech) play in a bowl. I bet they beat them and maybe even blow them out.

The reason Big-12 teams sometimes play Tx Tech tough is because they've gotten a few years of playing against them and looking at them. But, teams that dont see them and play against them sometimes get beaten easy because that offense isnt easy to adjust to.

It wont surprise me if Oklahoma beats Tx Tech this week. But, going to Lubbock and playing on the astro-turf against that offense is tough.
This game should be a barn-burner. Oklahomas youngsters are starting to come around it looks like.

Last.. we'll see how FSU does against a "SO SO" Univ-Florida team. IF Univ-Florida beats them somewhat easy. I dont want to hear anything.

AGAIN you don't read before you type. What I said was FSU may not be a top 25 team this year but I will take the FSU team this year or even the worse team of the last 20 years and they will still be better than aTm. On the same note if FSU is not top 25 then Texas Tech sure as heck ain't either after losing to the 105th ranked Ok St. Cowboys.

The same reason you use for BIG XII teams playing TT tough I can use for teams finally beating FSU. They have been playing them for 10 years or so they should be able to by now :rolleyes:

Texasfrog

11-14-2005, 09:14 AM

AGAIN you don't read before you type. What I said was FSU may not be a top 25 team this year but I will take the FSU team this year or even the worse team of the last 20 years and they will still be better than aTm. On the same note if FSU is not top 25 then Texas Tech sure as heck ain't either after losing to the 105th ranked Ok St. Cowboys.

The same reason you use for BIG XII teams playing TT tough I can use for teams finally beating FSU. They have been playing them for 10 years or so they should be able to by now :rolleyes:

No.. last week it was NC State just has FSU number and Coach Amato knows how to game plan for FSU.

Clemson just blew out FSU (at Clemson). How bad did Clemson beat Tx A&M (at Clemson)?? I know that one game doesnt make another game, Conference games can be more competitive and the Bowden "matchup" adds to the FSU vs Clemson game. But, I just dont see how anyone can honestly stand up and say without a doubt that FSU is heads and toes ahead of Tx A&M this season.

I think if you put both teams on the field (Tx A&M vs FSU) you would see a pretty evenly matched game. Probably "turnovers" would decide the winner.
This season neither team is very good and both teams are very ugly in the level of their play. FSU offense isnt that good at all.

We'll see how Univ-Fla does against them. Honestly I think UF walks the dog on them and beats them by about 20pts. But, we'll see...

Texasfrog

11-14-2005, 09:18 AM

AGAIN you don't read before you type. What I said was FSU may not be a top 25 team this year but I will take the FSU team this year or even the worse team of the last 20 years and they will still be better than aTm. On the same note if FSU is not top 25 then Texas Tech sure as heck ain't either after losing to the 105th ranked Ok St. Cowboys.

The same reason you use for BIG XII teams playing TT tough I can use for teams finally beating FSU. They have been playing them for 10 years or so they should be able to by now :rolleyes:

Also.. top #25 teams (especially those in the #20 thru #25 range) can have an off Saturday where they drop a game they should of won. It happens all the time. I'll say that I think Tx Tech is just as good as (Boston College).

The sad thing is I think Iowa St is better then Tx Tech, BC, and about 8 other teams in the top #25, but their not getting any respect from the voters. That Iowa St team is a scrappy team and didnt they lose to Baylor !!??!! Iowa St is probably a legit #20-#25 range team.

Tx Tech belongs about #20-#25 also. This weekends game with Oklahoma will be a big one. Whoever wins will be in the top #25 and whoever loses gets knocked out.