With all due respect to Carmel...

[GBMonster76]

Carmel is a wonderful school and has a special program, but I'm sitting here watching them on TV, and I could cherry pick 20 no-name schools from both Texas and Florida that would annihilate them.

#22 in the nation?

Respectfully, that is outrageous...Carmel would get obliterated in Texas or Florida.

[78 Spartan]

Both teams look small and slow to me.

[shslb15]

I had the MLL semifinals on and switched over to the Cathedral Carmel game and ya.... AWFUL!! that big QB is a good looking prospect but his passes arn't crisp the lines are small just over all not that good... I'll take the #22 team in the city of houston over them...

On a side note one of my pledge brothers is from Zionsville In. and played against both of those teams and talked them up some but ya not so good...

[farmerfan]

Carmel is a wonderful school and has a special program, but I'm sitting here watching them on TV, and I could cherry pick 20 no-name schools from both Texas and Florida that would annihilate them.

#22 in the nation?

Respectfully, that is outrageous...Carmel would get obliterated in Texas or Florida.

Umm, no offense to you or anything but how many games and schools have you seen in Texas actually play?

We get this crap every year from every state once a team is showcased on national TV. It always amazes me how there are numerous programs in the states not participating that can whip up on those teams who are playing :cool:

[Plano West Wolf]

Cathedral's QB isn't bad. ((take that back, he just got picked))

It would be interesting to see an elite team from a state not known for football (Kansas, New Mexico, ect) take on an average Texas team. It would show the huge difference in level of play.

[Wrecking Crew 12]

Cathedral's QB isn't bad. ((take that back, he just got picked))

It would be interesting to see an elite team from a state not known for football (Kansas, New Mexico, ect) take on an average Texas team. It would show the huge difference in level of play.

Ive always wondered the same thing, I go to New York every year, and I say that so friends that play high school football every year, and they say something to the effect that they would get murdered. I would even want to see an average or above average TX team, play like a state champ of another less than good state at football.

[KT1ss24]

Cathedral's QB isn't bad. ((take that back, he just got picked))

That Kofi kid was pretty good before he went down, now hes just playin a lil off. I'd have him play too even considering his condition. I'm sorry but did u see the joke of a quarterback that was his backup? 6'5 160?!?! I was surprised he didnt break in two each time he got hit.

[cajun]

Cathedral High School(Indiana) beat La Salle (Cincinnati, OH) 7-6 last year...

La Salle will be playing Cedar Hill in the Texas Showcase...

[businesstron]

I knew Morgan Newton when he was a little boy.. Man...I'm old.... With all due respect to Indy football I'd take alotta teams in Texas, Florida....Louisiana....heck even Oklahoma and Arkansas over them. They have a few good players though, the Carmet QB, and those two RBs looks good and Kofi for Catherdral was looking good. But over all just not that impressed with either team...

[Plano West Wolf]

That Kofi kid was pretty good before he went down, now hes just playin a lil off. I'd have him play too even considering his condition. I'm sorry but did u see the joke of a quarterback that was his backup? 6'5 160?!?! I was surprised he didnt break in two each time he got hit.
6'5" 160? Wow, that's like a twig.

[BDB]

it reminded me of watching valley football... except they were all white and i didn't care about who won...

[78 Spartan]

Before we denigrate them too much, let's remember that it was their first game. I've seen a lot of Texas teams look ragged on week zero or week one, also.

Both teams looked like respectable, well-coached but undertalented teams to me. Both would probably make the 5A playoffs in Texas (considering, 4 teams per district make it), but they wouldn't go far. Not much size on the lines and not a lot of speed in the backfield. Precisely why the Big Ten champ gets clobbered every year by the SEC champ.

Did anyone catch the graphic that said Carmel had 4,000 students? Can you imagine them lining up against Plano? Westfield? North Shore? [pick your 4,000 student Texas high school].

[78 Spartan]

I had the MLL semifinals on and switched over to the Cathedral Carmel game and ya.... AWFUL!! that big QB is a good looking prospect but his passes arn't crisp the lines are small just over all not that good... I'll take the #22 team in the city of houston over them...

On a side note one of my pledge brothers is from Zionsville In. and played against both of those teams and talked them up some but ya not so good...

Carmel's QB, Morgan Newton, is a 3-star according to Rivals. The ESPN intro posed the rhetorical question "can he be the next Vince Young?" Three hours later, I don't want to insult an obviously good kid by answering that question.

[wesaxman34]

Does anyone know the final score? I only got to watch the game up until the half.

[SLC93]

The overall quality was no overly impressive. As Spartan mentioned, though, it is very early in the season. Being the first game, it really can't get any earlier. I know that, as an alum, my only regret with the MNW game from last season was that it was so early in the season. We can all look back and find examples of how the beginning of a season is not necessarily an strong indicator of how it's going to end. To be fair, so many of these rankings a recruit driven, especially after you pass the top ten. Networks are trying to catch a free ride on the backs of all you recruiting addicts. They know that if a game is televised with a top recruit playing they will have a built in audience. Case in point, Terrelle Pryor's high school. We were forced to watch two, tiny teams go at it last year because Pryor was playing. Furthermore, we were forced to watch one of those teams get their brains beat in because Pryor played. Jeanette(sp?) was not a top team in the country. That's an insult to probably 500 other teams but the top recruit in the nation played for them equaling televison coverage. There is another team that is in some rankings this year from Arizona, Deserta or something close to that. They lost five games last season and return an average numbers of starters but they're in the top 25 in the nation this year. Really? you think? I think it has more to do with the fact they have a defensive lineman that is ranked as high as number two in the country for dl recruits. This is no more than the pimping of the last, great, pure sporting event left in this country.

[Texasfrog]

Carmel is a wonderful school and has a special program, but I'm sitting here watching them on TV, and I could cherry pick 20 no-name schools from both Texas and Florida that would annihilate them.

#22 in the nation?

Respectfully, that is outrageous...Carmel would get obliterated in Texas or Florida.

That's why so called National High school polls are a joke. But some people believe them like they are the Holy Spirit.;):rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

Cathedral High School(Indiana) beat La Salle (Cincinnati, OH) 7-6 last year...

La Salle will be playing Cedar Hill in the Texas Showcase...

We'll see what happens. Remember that LaSalle belongs in the GCL of Cincinnati Ohio where many so called gurus say is the toughest League (ie. District) in the country.. "Yawn" so we'll see just how tough the GCL competition is when they compete against one of the stronger Texas programs (Cedar Hill).

[Texasfrog]

Ive always wondered the same thing, I go to New York every year, and I say that so friends that play high school football every year, and they say something to the effect that they would get murdered. [QUOTE]I would even want to see an average or above average TX team, play like a state champ of another less than good state at football.[/

I've been attacked by some Out-of-staters on this board by making this comment. But, I honestly think many years the Texas 3A Champs could win many States "big school Titles." I would say probably about 30 or so States across America a team like Liberty Hill, Gilmer, Celina and few other Texas 3A's could do it.

[GBMonster76]

Umm, no offense to you or anything but how many games and schools have you seen in Texas actually play?

We get this crap every year from every state once a team is showcased on national TV. It always amazes me how there are numerous programs in the states not participating that can whip up on those teams who are playing :cool:

No offense taken...I'm just stating the facts. Those are two of the best high schools in all of Indiana, and they wouldn't finish runner-up in most 5A districts in Texas or most 6A districts in Florida. There was NO talent on that field...even that QB from Carmel was average at best.

The reason I'm bringing this up is because ESPN nationally televised a team that is supposed to be ranked #22 in the nation and that WAS NOT the #22 team in the nation...there are 22 teams in Florida that could beat Carmel...same with Texas, and that's not an exaggeration.

I think it's about the pollsters trying to be diverse in their representation of schools from different states...can't have a top 25 with all California, Texas, Florida, and Ohio teams now can we?

Well, we should.

[dragonsdaddy]

Before we denigrate them too much, let's remember that it was their first game. I've seen a lot of Texas teams look ragged on week zero or week one, also.

Both teams looked like respectable, well-coached but undertalented teams to me. Both would probably make the 5A playoffs in Texas (considering, 4 teams per district make it), but they wouldn't go far. Not much size on the lines and not a lot of speed in the backfield. Precisely why the Big Ten champ gets clobbered every year by the SEC champ.

Did anyone catch the graphic that said Carmel had 4,000 students? Can you imagine them lining up against Plano? Westfield? North Shore? [pick your 4,000 student Texas high school].
why limit it to the 4000 student texas hs? why not go all the way to the best, like kt, et, and slc, which are under 4k, some moreso than others?

i agree though, early season looks can be deceiving. i don't think either of these teams will ever impress anyone used to watching top quality texas cali, or fla football.

[AboutTreeFiddy]

Umm, no offense to you or anything but how many games and schools have you seen in Texas actually play?

We get this crap every year from every state once a team is showcased on national TV. It always amazes me how there are numerous programs in the states not participating that can whip up on those teams who are playing :cool:

I don't know, but for the past 6 years, I've seen Longview defeat nationally ranked opponents from Louisiana just about every year. In 2002, Evangel Christian was #2 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 31-28 loss. In 2003, they were #2 again (but shouldn't have been) and left Independence stadium with a 43-26 loss. In 04, Longview went to Neville in Monroe and beat them 14-7 (not sure if they were ranked, but they barely lost in the state semifinals to Curtis who won state by a huge margin). Also in 04, they beat the state champs Evangel in 5A. In 05, they demolished West Monroe 21-0 who was ranked coming into the game, and won state in Louisiana. In 07, John Curtis was #9 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 24-20 loss, and they went on to win state in Louisiana.

Remember 2005? Tyler Lee who went 5-5 in Texas played Cincinnati Colerain and lost by like 12. Didn't Colerain go on to win state? Or barely lose in the state finals? Remember, this was a team who didn't make the Texas playoffs. That year, they also beat Hollywood Chaminade Madonna (Fla.) who would demolish all the rest of their opponents.

So I think that every year, there are strong teams in Texas that could play with anyone in the nation. It is a trend. Even in 2006 when Longview had their "worst" season of recent times (9-3), they gave nationally ranked West Monroe a huge scare despite being 4 TD underdogs. So no, I haven't seen Longview play yet, but I think they could hang with many teams. And remember, Longview has never won state.

[JMSFan]

Before we denigrate them too much, let's remember that it was their first game. I've seen a lot of Texas teams look ragged on week zero or week one, also.

Both teams looked like respectable, well-coached but undertalented teams to me. Both would probably make the 5A playoffs in Texas (considering, 4 teams per district make it), but they wouldn't go far. Not much size on the lines and not a lot of speed in the backfield. Precisely why the Big Ten champ gets clobbered every year by the SEC champ.

Did anyone catch the graphic that said Carmel had 4,000 students? Can you imagine them lining up against Plano? Westfield? North Shore? [pick your 4,000 student Texas high school].

When I turned on ESPN to check out some of this game, I immediately thought about how small and slow that they were. They reminded me of most 3A teams in Texas.

[cajun]

Umm, no offense to you or anything but how many games and schools have you seen in Texas actually play?

We get this crap every year from every state once a team is showcased on national TV. It always amazes me how there are numerous programs in the states not participating that can whip up on those teams who are playing :cool:

Carmel (IN) last year beat Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) (42-35)...
Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) lost to Glenville (Cleveland, OH) (38-36)...Glenville one of Ohio's big school powers...

In fact Poly(California) beat Glenville, Ohio 21-14 last year...

Point?...

Ain't that much difference...Only in people's heads....

[Texasfrog]

No offense taken...I'm just stating the facts. Those are two of the best high schools in all of Indiana, and they wouldn't finish runner-up in most 5A districts in Texas or most 6A districts in Florida. There was NO talent on that field...even that QB from Carmel was average at best.

The reason I'm bringing this up is because ESPN nationally televised a team that is supposed to be ranked #22 in the nation and that WAS NOT the #22 team in the nation...there are 22 teams in Florida that could beat Carmel...same with Texas, and that's not an exaggeration.

I think it's about the pollsters trying to be diverse in their representation of schools from different states...can't have a top 25 with all California, Texas, Florida, and Ohio teams now can we?

Well, we should.

That's it right there. I've seen teams play in person from Virginia & Pennsylvania that were so called National Top #25 teams that would probably make the Texas 5A playoffs (4 teams from each district) but their Tx playoff run would not be long lived.

Last season a somewhat average Texas High (4A team) played Arkansas High (National Top #25 team) and the future 2007 Arkansas 6A Champs. Well, Texas High (4A) tied them like 22-22. This was a Texas High team that was probably about the 50th-60th best team in Texas last year overall that supposly just tied the #23 team (Arkansas High) in the country.

Longview,Tx has beaten several Louisiana teams (ECA & WM) when those Louisiana teams were highly national ranked and Longview wasnt even a top #10 Texas ranked team.

[Texasfrog]

I don't know, but for the past 6 years, I've seen Longview defeat nationally ranked opponents from Louisiana just about every year. In 2002, Evangel Christian was #2 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 31-28 loss. In 2003, they were #2 again (but shouldn't have been) and left Independence stadium with a 43-26 loss. In 04, Longview went to Neville in Monroe and beat them 14-7 (not sure if they were ranked, but they barely lost in the state semifinals to Curtis who won state by a huge margin). Also in 04, they beat the state champs Evangel in 5A. In 05, they demolished West Monroe 21-0 who was ranked coming into the game, and won state in Louisiana. In 07, John Curtis was #9 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 24-20 loss, and they went on to win state in Louisiana.

Remember 2005? Tyler Lee who went 5-5 in Texas played Cincinnati Colerain and lost by like 12. Didn't Colerain go on to win state? Or barely lose in the state finals? Remember, this was a team who didn't make the Texas playoffs. That year, they also beat Hollywood Chaminade Madonna (Fla.) who would demolish all the rest of their opponents.

So I think that every year, there are strong teams in Texas that could play with anyone in the nation. It is a trend. Even in 2006 when Longview had their "worst" season of recent times (9-3), they gave nationally ranked West Monroe a huge scare despite being 4 TD underdogs. So no, I haven't seen Longview play yet, but I think they could hang with many teams. And remember, Longview has never won state.

Longview probably should of won that game also. The Louisiana "REF" did a nice job of throwing that (holding flag) about 10 seconds after the 15 yard touchdown run by Longview late in the 4th QT to take the lead. I guess he decided after the play Longview really didnt need that touchdown.;):rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

When I turned on ESPN to check out some of this game, I immediately thought about how small and slow that they were. They reminded me of most 3A teams in Texas.

Like I've said before. In about 30+ States across America. The top 8 or so Texas 3A teams could and would make a serious run for those States Large school Titles.

[Texasfrog]

Carmel (IN) last year beat Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) (42-35)...
Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) lost to Glenville (Cleveland, OH) (38-36)...Glenville one of Ohio's big school powers...

In fact Poly(California) beat Glenville, Ohio 21-14 last year...

Point?...

Ain't that much difference...Only in people's heads....

When LB Poly was a so called Top 5 National team a few years ago with like 16 D-1A seniors and half of them going to USC/UCLA. They played Bellvue,Wa and got the socks blown off of them by like 17 pts.

[AboutTreeFiddy]

Longview probably should of won that game also. The Louisiana "REF" did a nice job of throwing that (holding flag) about 10 seconds after the 15 yard touchdown run by Longview late in the 4th QT to take the lead. I guess he decided after the play Longview really didnt need that touchdown.;):rolleyes:

Haha, to be honest, I was more upset at the TWO personal foul calls on ONE play. The player sacks the QB on 3rd down, gets up and does the "No Good" sign, and gets a personal foul. When Coach King questioned the call, ANOTHER flag was thrown. Funny how the West Monroe commentators kept mentioning that on Longview's touchdown drive, it was penalty-aided (I think a single pass interference which was a legit call), but kept saying their touchdown drives were good drives. Ah, well. We lost but still had a successful season.

[AboutTreeFiddy]

Oh, and do you know of any games in the Herbie Challenge thing that will be any good? And if so, how and when they'll be televised?

As of late, he's seemed to have picked sub-par teams after being drubbed in 06 by legit teams.

[Texasfrog]

]I don't know, but for the past 6 years, I've seen Longview defeat nationally ranked opponents from Louisiana just about every year. In 2002, Evangel Christian was #2 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 31-28 loss. In 2003, they were #2 again (but shouldn't have been) and left Independence stadium with a 43-26 loss. In 04, Longview went to Neville in Monroe and beat them 14-7 (not sure if they were ranked, but they barely lost in the state semifinals to Curtis who won state by a huge margin). Also in 04, they beat the state champs Evangel in 5A. In 05, they demolished West Monroe 21-0 who was ranked coming into the game, and won state in Louisiana. In 07, John Curtis was #9 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 24-20 loss, and they went on to win state in Louisiana.

Treefiddy,

Dont make too much sense now. Those so called National Polls are 100% right. Their done by experts !!:D:rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

Oh, and do you know of any games in the Herbie Challenge thing that will be any good? And if so, how and when they'll be televised?

As of late, he's seemed to have picked sub-par teams after being drubbed in 06 by legit teams.

ESPN is showing the ST.Thomas(Fl) vs Elder game tape delay on like Monday (??).

Versus Channel is showing the Cedar Hill vs LaSalle game "live" on Saturday.

Plus, Versus is suppose to show a couple of the Herbie (Tx) games tape delay but I dont have the times yet. I believe one of those will be the Arlington Bowie vs Trotwood game.

[AboutTreeFiddy]

ESPN is showing the ST.Thomas(Fl) vs Elder game tape delay on like Monday (??).

Versus Channel is showing the Cedar Hill vs LaSalle game "live" on Saturday.

Plus, Versus is suppose to show a couple of the Herbie (Tx) games tape delay but I dont have the times yet. I believe one of those will be the Arlington Bowie vs Trotwood game.

Sounds good. I remember St. Thomas Aquinas from 2006 when they played Lakeland for the 6A Championship. Wild game.

[Texasfrog]

Treefiddy,

Hey, there is like 119 (D-1A) teams now in college football from across the nation and we get into huge debates nationally on how to rank those teams every year from #1 to #119 after the season that almost causes Civil Wars in the United States.

But, with about 35,000 HS across the nation. We think we can rank a so called National Top #25 or even #50. Hell, even a Top 100 HS teams.

I know some people buy into the High School Nat Polls (Top #25) (Top #50) but I think they are a joke.

Like I've been saying for years. Any so called National Top 25 HS poll come December.25 (Christmas Day) that doesnt have at least 7 Texas teams in it losses creditiblity.

Plus, that 5th, 6th, 7th ranked Texas team might have two losses most years because of the stronger HS Football competition level in Texas.;)

[CedarHillDad]

Treefiddy,

Hey, there is like 119 (D-1A) teams now in college football from across the nation and we get into huge debates nationally on how to rank those teams every year from #1 to #119 after the season that almost causes Civil Wars in the United States.

But, with about 35,000 HS across the nation. We think we can rank a so called National Top #25 or even #50. Hell, even a Top 100 HS teams.

I know some people buy into the High School Nat Polls (Top #25) (Top #50) but I think they are a joke.

Like I've been saying for years. Any so called National Top 25 HS poll come December.25 (Christmas Day) that doesnt have at least 7 Texas teams in it losses creditiblity.

Plus, that 5th, 6th, 7th ranked Texas team might have two losses most years because of the stronger HS Football competition level in Texas.;)

HA HA now I know why the Cincinnati posters Hate you:notworthy:notworthy

keep up the good work!!!:D

[Texasfrog]

HA HA now I know why the Cincinnati posters Hate you.

keep up the good work!!!:D

Say it aint so CHD.:D;)

Trust me,, I've had it shoved down my throat on Yappis over the last few years how much dominate the Cininnati area (especailly the mighty GCL League) is over not just Texas but anything in America.

The High school competition in the Cinicinnati, Ohio area is just off the charts. Especially the GCL league (STX, Elder, Moeller and LaSalle):rolleyes:

Hey, if LaSalle & Trotwood come to Texas and beat Cedar Hill & Arlington Bowie then I'll do some serious re-thinking on my personal beliefs. Especially since both are coming to Texas with losses already.

If Cedar Hill & Arlington Bowie beat them in close games. Like within (10 pts) I'll still rethink some.

But... If Cedar Hill and ARlington Bowie both win their games and do it in dominitaing controlling fashion where the games are really never in doubt. I'll stand by my point.

[CedarHillDad]

Say it aint so CHD.:D;)

Trust me,, I've had it shoved down my throat on Yappis over the last few years how much dominate the Cininnati area (especailly the mighty GCL League) is over not just Texas but anything in America.

The High school competition in the Cinicinnati, Ohio area is just off the charts. Especially the GCL league (STX, Elder, Moeller and LaSalle):rolleyes:

Hey, if LaSalle & Trotwood come to Texas and beat Cedar Hill & Arlington Bowie then I'll do some serious re-thinking on my personal beliefs. Especially since both are coming to Texas with losses already.

If Cedar Hill & Arlington Bowie beat them in close games. Like within (10 pts) I'll still rethink some.

But... If Cedar Hill and ARlington Bowie both win their games and do it in dominitaing controlling fashion where the games are really never in doubt. I'll stand by my point.


Well we have a lot of work to do and a long way to, but Coach McGuire and his staff are taking this game very seriously. I am excited about our our season

[Texasfrog]

Remember 2005? Tyler Lee who went 5-5 in Texas played Cincinnati Colerain and lost by like 12. Didn't Colerain go on to win state? Or barely lose in the state finals? Remember, this was a team who didn't make the Texas playoffs. That year, they also beat Hollywood Chaminade Madonna (Fla.) who would demolish all the rest of their opponents.


Tyler Lee went (4-6) in 2005. They didnt make the Texas 5A playoffs and sufferred big losses to Euless Trinity & John Tyler by like 30 pts in both games.

They went to Ohio (Herbie Kickoff) and played Colerain and lost to Colerain by like 14 pts. Colerain that year went like (11-2) and both losses came to St.Xavier who was like the #1 team in Ohio that year (2005).

Plus, one loss to STX was like 10-7 and the other loss was like 14-7. So it was two close games between STX and Colerain in 2005.

Basically the two best teams in Ohio in 2005 were STX and Colerain and there wasnt much after those two teams in Ohio because they destroyed almost everyone they played against in OHio.

In fact the secondest toughest competiton (looking at the scores results) for Colerain in 2005 after St.Xavier was the (4-6) Tyler Lee, Texas team.;):rolleyes:

Now.. Hollywood-Chaminade was the 2005 Florida 2A Champs. They went like (13-2) in 2005. They lost to a (4-6) Tyler Lee, Tx team in a close hardfought game. I think the final score was like 23-21.

Hollywood-Chaminade other loss in 2005 was to Booker T. Washington (Dade Co. #1 team) in 2005. BTW beat Hollywood-Chaminade like 24-10 in 2005.
Again, BTW was like the #1 team in Miami-Dade Co. in 2005 and went to the State Semi-Finals where they lost a close hardfought game to Armwood like 31-28 in Traz Stadium ( I was there).

Armwood went on to lose the State Title to Nease (Tim Tebow) led team.

Point.. that Hollywood-Chaminade, Fl (2A) team was a Florida Top #10 that year and could of given anyone in the South Florida area a tough game and come out on top in just about all of them except maybe 2 or 3 other teams in South Florida that year.

Also note that Hollywood-Chaminade coach (Gaudolo) is now the Coach at Cypress Bay HS (Weston, Fl) and he is without a doubt one of the top 5 or so HS coaches in Florida. He is bringing the Cypress Bay (6A team) to Texas and they will play Katy this season.

This 2008 Cypress Bay, Fl team is predicted by some Florida gurus to make a serious run at the Florida 6A State Title this season. They have like 6 to 7 Senior D-1A kids on the team plus a few Junior (D-1A) prospects. Coach Guandolo likes to keep a wideopen front door to the schools and football department for any football "recruits" in the local 15 mile radius around the schools he is at.;):rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

Well we have a lot of work to do and a long way to, but Coach McGuire and his staff are taking this game very seriously. I am excited about our our season

Cool, I hope they dont ever hit the break pads either.

I'm in Texas right now and halfway thinking about driving up to Dallas this weekend and checking out the games.

I'm going to Houston to check out the Katy vs N.Shore game on Friday and might just put the car in drive and point it North Bound up I-45.

[AboutTreeFiddy]

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Tyler Lee went (4-6) in 2005. They didnt make the Texas 5A playoffs and sufferred big losses to Euless Trinity & John Tyler by like 30 pts in both games.

They went to Ohio (Herbie Kickoff) and played Colerain and lost to Colerain by like 14 pts. Colerain that year went like (11-2) and both losses came to St.Xavier who was like the #1 team in Ohio that year (2005).

Plus, one loss to STX was like 10-7 and the other loss was like 14-7. So it was two close games between STX and Colerain in 2005.

Basically the two best teams in Ohio in 2005 were STX and Colerain and there wasnt much after those two teams in Ohio because they destroyed almost everyone they played against in OHio.

In fact the secondest toughest competiton (looking at the scores results) for Colerain in 2005 after St.Xavier was the (4-6) Tyler Lee, Texas team.;):rolleyes:

Now.. Hollywood-Chaminade was the 2005 Florida 2A Champs. They went like (13-2) in 2005. They lost to a (4-6) Tyler Lee, Tx team in a close hardfought game. I think the final score was like 23-21.

Hollywood-Chaminade other loss in 2005 was to Booker T. Washington (Dade Co. #1 team) in 2005. BTW beat Hollywood-Chaminade like 24-10 in 2005.
Again, BTW was like the #1 team in Miami-Dade Co. in 2005 and went to the State Semi-Finals where they lost a close hardfought game to Armwood like 31-28 in Traz Stadium ( I was there).

Armwood went on to lose the State Title to Nease (Tim Tebow) led team.

Point.. that Hollywood-Chaminade, Fl (2A) team was a Florida Top #10 that year and could of given anyone in the South Florida area a tough game and come out on top in just about all of them except maybe 2 or 3 other teams in South Florida that year.

Also note that Hollywood-Chaminade coach (Gaudolo) is now the Coach at Cypress Bay HS (Weston, Fl) and he is without a doubt one of the top 5 or so HS coaches in Florida. He is bringing the Cypress Bay (6A team) to Texas and they will play Katy this season.

This 2008 Cypress Bay, Fl team is predicted by some Florida gurus to make a serious run at the Florida 6A State Title this season. They have like 6 to 7 Senior D-1A kids on the team plus a few Junior (D-1A) prospects. Coach Guandolo likes to keep a wideopen front door to the schools and football department for any football "recruits" in the local 15 mile radius around the schools he is at.;):rolleyes:

I forgot, Lee DID go 4-6, not 5-5. And the loss to Colerain was 27-12. I wondered where I got 12 points from. But Lee actually beat Chaminade 34-28. I have that game on tape somewhere. And the St. Xavier wins over Colerain were 7-0 and 12-9, so both of them could ahve gone either way. Remember, though, Chaminade was 2A while Nease, Armwood, and BTW were 3A or 4A (I can't remember, but I think 3A). Chaminade won state, I know that much.

[Texasfrog]

I forgot, Lee DID go 4-6, not 5-5. And the loss to Colerain was 27-12. I wondered where I got 12 points from. But Lee actually beat Chaminade 34-28. I have that game on tape somewhere. And the St. Xavier wins over Colerain were 7-0 and 12-9, so both of them could ahve gone either way. Remember, though, Chaminade was 2A while Nease, Armwood, and BTW were 3A or 4A (I can't remember, but I think 3A). Chaminade won state, I know that much.

Ya, the Colerain vs Tyler Lee game was basically (2 touchdown difference). Not bad when you consider this was like the #2 team in Ohio (Colerain) vs a Non-Texas 5A playoff team.

Many of the Ohio backers will tell you how much more dominate Colerain was over Tyler Lee. But, Tyler Lee really played with them for the most part. They (Tyler Lee) came out slow in the 1st QT and that's what hurt them. The second half was "down for down" and really played evenly.

But again, this was a Texas team that might have ended up about #50th in Texas against the #2 team in Ohio (Colerain) and giving them the 2nd toughest competition of the year besides the two (St.Xavier) games which were basically anyone games between (STX & Colerain).

Plus, STX went on to win the 2005 Ohio D-1A Title in dominating fashion.

I use to live about 10 minutes from Hollywood-Chaminade campus in 2005. I saw them play a few times in 2005 in person. They had like 12 (Seniors/Juniors) on that team that went D-1A to schools in the SEC,ACC, Sun Belt, Conf USA and Notre Dame. They had great talent on the team and just as good as anyone in Florida (talent wise).

They (Chaminade) are a 2A Private school so you can throw out the classificaton #. Just like with Evangel, John Curtis of Louisiana. They have an open enrollment (kids from all over) can come to school there. They are right in the middle of the Fort Lauderdale, Fl area where 1,000's of people live so the athlete "POOL" for them is great.

The 2005 Chaminade team that played Tyler Lee was a much more individually athletic talented team than Tyler Lee.

The only other loss Hollywood-Chaminade had that year (2005) was like 24-10 and it was to the #1 team in Dade-County (Booker T. Washington) who was also Nationally ranked to start the year.

Hell, in fact the 2005 Hollywood-Chaminade team was on many Nationally Top #25 polls until they lost to Tyler Lee.;)

But, when a team is 2A or 3A and they are a Private School (ie. Hollywood Chaminde, John Curtis, Evangel and ect). Throw out the 2A or 3A #'s because those schools have "OPEN ENROLLMENT" for athletes which means "NO ZONING" and kids "ATHLETES" can come from anywhere too play.

I have to stress the "OPEN ENROLMENT" & "NO ZONING" for a couple of people on here because they still dont get that simple concept.;)

[Texasfrog]

I also remember that Tyler Lee's RB- Jason Williams (UTEP) ran through and around Hollywood-Chaminade defense in that game. I believe he had like 230 yards rushing and a couple of tds.

That Hollywood-Chaminade defense had at least 6 kids on it that are playing major D-1A college football now. Their entire secondary was D-1A kids.

[AboutTreeFiddy]

I also remember that Tyler Lee's RB- Jason Williams (UTEP) ran through and around Hollywood-Chaminade defense in that game. I believe he had like 230 yards rushing and a couple of tds.

That Hollywood-Chaminade defense had at least 6 kids on it that are playing major D-1A college football now. Their entire secondary was D-1A kids.

Yeah. Williams went off. But I'll agree that Lee was out-talented. Then again, Longview is every time they play a Louisiana team (with the exception of Evangel and West Monroe in 2005). Against Evangel in 2002, 2003, and 2004, and against John Curtis and West Monroe in 2007 and 2006 respectively, Longview was outclassed but able to win or keep the game VERY close.

[Texasfrog]

Yeah. Williams went off. But I'll agree that Lee was out-talented. Then again, Longview is every time they play a Louisiana team (with the exception of Evangel and West Monroe in 2005). Against Evangel in 2002, 2003, and 2004, and against John Curtis and West Monroe in 2007 and 2006 respectively, Longview was outclassed but able to win or keep the game VERY close.

Yapp !!! That's my point in general. I hear from many people (mostly other States) that go into the Talent crap and how this and that team is great and their biggest argument to support the claim of "Greatness" is that or that team has 12 or 14 "D-1A prospects" on it so their better then everyone.

Well, in some parts of the country that holds true to a certain degree. The most individually talented teams win 95% of the time. Their talent carries them over less talented teams.

Hell, last years MNW team is considered by many to be the most talented team in the history of South Florida and maybe Florida in general. I mean 3/4 of the starters on the team (Seniors/Juniors) are going to be playing D-1A football and most of them on BCS Conference teams.

It's amazing (IMO) that a team (SLC) that had 1/4th the individual talent as MNW had could play with them pretty much straight up for 48 minutes (4 Quarters).

Tyler Lee had 1/3 the talent as Hollywood-Chaminade and Tyler Lee beat them in a close game.

This Cypress Bay, Fl (6A Team) has about 10 (Seniors/Juniors) that are D-1A prospects and will be more indivdually talented (as a team) then Katy this year. So it's going to be interesting to see Katy vs Cypress Bay, Fl from the talent standpoint of view. But, Katy in the past has made a living off of playing teams much more individually talented then them.

It's too bad the Abilene vs Belle Glades game was cancelled. I have no doubt that from a individual talent standpoint Belle Glades has more talent and college prospects then Abilene High. I would of loved to seen that game.

That's one thing I find very neat this year in regards to Euless Trinity. They appear to have a "Great team" plus a very talented team. I dont doubt there is at least 12 (Seniors/Juniors) on this Euless Trinity team that will be playing D-1A football. This John Curtis game will be interesting (IMO) because JOhn Curtis will be bringing a team to play Euless Trinity that will be able to match Euless Trinity from a pure "D-1A recruit" standpoint.

This Euless Trinity team is one of those rare cases in Texas where they are ranked #1 (in Texas) and also have the blue-chip prospects too boot.

Most times in Texas. The 5A State Champs might have 2 or 3 (college prospects) on their team. I mean outside of Cedar Hills team a couple of years back it's pretty rare to see teams with 10 (Seniors) that are D-1A prospects on a State Title team in Texas.

[cajun]

I don't know, but for the past 6 years, I've seen Longview defeat nationally ranked opponents from Louisiana just about every year. In 2002, Evangel Christian was #2 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 31-28 loss.

First all.. Longview is not just an "average" Texas football program....In 2002 Longview was 10-4 and went 4 deep in the Texas 5A playoffs losing to Lufkin 24-21 in the Quarterfinals...In fact 3 of the Longview losses that year were to Lufkin....Longview also beat Ruston, La that year 14-0....What's funny though is Longview also beat these Texas teams also... vs No.10 Tyler Lee(31-14)-No.7 Garland (45-0)

In 04, Longview went to Neville in Monroe and beat them 14-7 (not sure if they were ranked, but they barely lost in the state semifinals to Curtis who won state by a huge margin). Also in 04, they beat the state champs Evangel in 5A. In 05, they demolished West Monroe 21-0 who was ranked coming into the game, and won state in Louisiana. In 07, John Curtis was #9 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 24-20 loss, and they went on to win state in Louisiana.

In 2004 Longview did beat Neville(4A), La 14-7...JC beat Neville as well...Longview went 12-1 that year beating these Texas 5A teams... Mesquite (35-7), Mesquite Horn (42-14), John Tyler (48-14), North Garland (49-27), Dallas Jesuit (44-14)...Longview lost to No.3 Lufkin 31-21 in the playoffs...In 2007 JC shouldn't have been ranked nationally...JC lost to a 2A public school here(St James) in 2007 as well

So I think that every year, there are strong teams in Texas that could play with anyone in the nation. It is a trend. Even in 2006 when Longview had their "worst" season of recent times (9-3), they gave nationally ranked West Monroe a huge scare despite being 4 TD underdogs. So no, I haven't seen Longview play yet, but I think they could hang with many teams. And remember, Longview has never won state.

In 2006...Longview was 9-3 losing to Garland 24-21 in the first round of the playoffs...Longview's other two losses were to Lufkin and West Monroe...West Monroe that year lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs here and barely beat Carencro (Lafayette, LA) (18-17), Ruston (LA) (21-10),Byrd (Shreveport, LA) (34-24),
Also, who was the Longview Bookie who made West Monroe a 4 TD favorite..(lol)

Bolded..

[cajun]

That's one thing I find very neat this year in regards to Euless Trinity. They appear to have a "Great team" plus a very talented team. I dont doubt there is at least 12 (Seniors/Juniors) on this Euless Trinity team that will be playing D-1A football. This John Curtis game will be interesting (IMO) because JOhn Curtis will be bringing a team to play Euless Trinity that will be able to match Euless Trinity from a pure "D-1A recruit" standpoint.

:eek:

[farmerfan]

Carmel (IN) last year beat Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) (42-35)...
Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) lost to Glenville (Cleveland, OH) (38-36)...Glenville one of Ohio's big school powers...

In fact Poly(California) beat Glenville, Ohio 21-14 last year...

Point?...

Ain't that much difference...Only in people's heads....

Hey they aint from Texas or Florida or California.
They suck, woul;dn't even make the playoffs in Texas 3A let alone Texas 4A.:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

I don't know, but for the past 6 years, I've seen Longview defeat nationally ranked opponents from Louisiana just about every year. In 2002, Evangel Christian was #2 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 31-28 loss. In 2003, they were #2 again (but shouldn't have been) and left Independence stadium with a 43-26 loss. In 04, Longview went to Neville in Monroe and beat them 14-7 (not sure if they were ranked, but they barely lost in the state semifinals to Curtis who won state by a huge margin). Also in 04, they beat the state champs Evangel in 5A. In 05, they demolished West Monroe 21-0 who was ranked coming into the game, and won state in Louisiana. In 07, John Curtis was #9 and they left Lobo Stadium with a 24-20 loss, and they went on to win state in Louisiana.

Remember 2005? Tyler Lee who went 5-5 in Texas played Cincinnati Colerain and lost by like 12. Didn't Colerain go on to win state? Or barely lose in the state finals? Remember, this was a team who didn't make the Texas playoffs. That year, they also beat Hollywood Chaminade Madonna (Fla.) who would demolish all the rest of their opponents.

So I think that every year, there are strong teams in Texas that could play with anyone in the nation. It is a trend. Even in 2006 when Longview had their "worst" season of recent times (9-3), they gave nationally ranked West Monroe a huge scare despite being 4 TD underdogs. So no, I haven't seen Longview play yet, but I think they could hang with many teams. And remember, Longview has never won state.

Longview been a very good program over that time too. Not exactly a noname Texas team which makes my point for me, I would like to know who those 20 no name programs from Texas are that could have easily walked over Carmel?

[cajun]

Hey they aint from Texas or Florida or California.
They suck, woul;dn't even make the playoffs in Texas 3A let alone Texas 4A.:rolleyes:


Maybe 2A..

Terrible football..Worst I've ever seen...(lol)

[AboutTreeFiddy]

Longview been a very good program over that time too. Not exactly a noname Texas team which makes my point for me, I would like to know who those 20 no name programs from Texas are that could have easily walked over Carmel?

Oh, I just looked at what you were talking about with your original post. No, there aren't 20 noname teams from Texas that could beat Carmel. But I'd be willing to bet I could find at least 20-30 teams that could.

[farmerfan]

Oh, I just looked at what you were talking about with your original post. No, there aren't 20 noname teams from Texas that could beat Carmel. But I'd be willing to bet I could find at least 20-30 teams that could.

What 20-30 would those be?

I'd bet ther would be 10-15 for sure but I dont know about 20-30.
Those years you cited Longview I'd be willing to bet Longview was amongthe top 10-15 teams in the state if not better.

[farmerfan]

Maybe 2A..

Terrible football..Worst I've ever seen...(lol)

Maybe.
Just maybe.
Even though S&S Consolidated would be awfully tough for them to beat :cool:

[AboutTreeFiddy]

First all.. Longview is not just an "average" Texas football program....In 2002 Longview was 10-4 and went 4 deep in the Texas 5A playoffs losing to Lufkin 24-21 in the Quarterfinals...In fact 3 of the Longview losses that year were to Lufkin....Longview also beat Ruston, La that year 14-0....What's funny though is Longview also beat these Texas teams also... vs No.10 Tyler Lee(31-14)-No.7 Garland (45-0)

Well, they haven't won a state title in quite some time. Yeah, Longview beat Tyler Lee, but also lost to them... And the Garland game? I dunno. Longview just had the speed to stop the Wing T. I watched that game recently, and it seemed like as soon as a play would start, half the defense was in the backfield.

In 2004 Longview did beat Neville(4A), La 14-7...JC beat Neville as well...Longview went 12-1 that year beating these Texas 5A teams... Mesquite (35-7), Mesquite Horn (42-14), John Tyler (48-14), North Garland (49-27), Dallas Jesuit (44-14)...Longview lost to No.3 Lufkin 31-21 in the playoffs...In 2007 JC shouldn't have been ranked nationally...JC lost to a 2A public school here(St James) in 2007 as well

I looked and Neville was #2 behind Curtis who beat them by 3. Longview won by 7, albeit late. The Texas teams you mentioned weren't that great other than Jesuit who went 10-2 thanks to an easy schedule. And in 2007, Curtis beat St. James in the state finals when it mattered.

In 2006...Longview was 9-3 losing to Garland 24-21 in the first round of the playoffs...Longview's other two losses were to Lufkin and West Monroe...West Monroe that year lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs here and barely beat Carencro (Lafayette, LA) (18-17), Ruston (LA) (21-10),Byrd (Shreveport, LA) (34-24),
Also, who was the Longview Bookie who made West Monroe a 4 TD favorite..(lol)

Longview lost to Garland in the second round. And since when are 10 point wins barely winning? I remember the Carencro game... And Longview had trouble with everyone that year except Ouachita, Bryan Adams, and Mesquite Horn. Beat 4A Marshall 38-35, North Mesquite 35-28 after trailing 28-27 with 3 minutes left, Lee 24-10 after needing a late kick return for a TD and 4 picks by 1 player, John Tyler 28-21 coming back from 14 down in the 4th quarter, and Mesquite 21-17, scoring late and barely holding off a Mesquite drive.

[BDB]

Longview been a very good program over that time too. Not exactly a noname Texas team which makes my point for me, I would like to know who those 20 no name programs from Texas are that could have easily walked over Carmel?

without falling into texasfrog's trap, carmel really did look like and ok judson team at best.

they weren't huge, they played pretty good defense, offense didnt make alot of mistakes, but they didnt pop off the channel like a top 25 team should...hell even a top 25 TEXAS team should.

i would put them top 30 in texas.

[farmerfan]

without falling into texasfrog's trap, carmel really did look like and ok judson team at best.

they weren't huge, they played pretty good defense, offense didnt make alot of mistakes, but they didnt pop off the channel like a top 25 team should...hell even a top 25 TEXAS team should.

i would put them top 30 in texas.

Thats funny, seems you know our amphibian friend quite well :D

[AboutTreeFiddy]

What 20-30 would those be?

I'd bet ther would be 10-15 for sure but I dont know about 20-30.
Those years you cited Longview I'd be willing to bet Longview was amongthe top 10-15 teams in the state if not better.

Longview was top 5 in 2004 and 2005. Unranked in 2006, and started barely top 20 in 2007. The teams I'd pit against them:

1. SLC
2. Trinity
3. Plano
4. Abilene
5. Lufkin
6. Longview
7. Highland Park
8. Lake Travis
9. Katy
10. Odessa Permian
11. Stony Point
12. Arlington Bowie
13. Spring Westfield
14. Converse Judson
15. Galena Park North Shore
16. Stephenville
17. Pearland
18. Dallas Carter
19. Copperas Cove
20. Rockwall

I'd be willing to bet most of those teams (if not all) would beat them.

[farmerfan]

Longview was top 5 in 2004 and 2005. Unranked in 2006, and started barely top 20 in 2007. The teams I'd pit against them:

1. SLC
2. Trinity
3. Plano
4. Abilene
5. Lufkin
6. Longview
7. Highland Park
8. Lake Travis
9. Katy
10. Odessa Permian
11. Stony Point
12. Arlington Bowie
13. Spring Westfield
14. Converse Judson
15. Galena Park North Shore
16. Stephenville
17. Pearland
18. Dallas Carter
19. Copperas Cove
20. Rockwall

I'd be willing to bet most of those teams (if not all) would beat them.


Interesting take. Those teams very well could take them.
Next question though is where would this game be taking place?
I'd be willing to bet and do so quite comfortably that if Carmel was playing at home then they would beat Rockwall, Cove, Carter, Pearland, Stephenville, Judson, Lufkin, Longview, Stony Point, HP, Lake Travis, Abilene.

[cajun]

without falling into texasfrog's trap, carmel really did look like and ok judson team at best.

they weren't huge, they played pretty good defense, offense didnt make alot of mistakes, but they didnt pop off the channel like a top 25 team should...hell even a top 25 TEXAS team should.

i would put them top 30 in texas.

Cathedral High School wasn't exactly a patsy school Carmel was playing yesterday, in my opinion...

Here's alittle fact...

In 2005...

St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 24
Indianapolis Cathedral (Indianapolis, IN) 21

USA Today Poll 2005

2005
1. Lakeland (FL) (15-0)
2. Southlake (TX) Carroll (16-0)
3. Charlotte (NC) Independence (15-0)
4. Springdale (AR) (14-0)
5. Cincinnati (OH) St. Xavier (15-0)
6. Batesville (MS) South Panola (15-0)
7. Byrnes (SC) (15-0)
8. Hoover (AL) (14-1)
9. Lincoln-Way East (IL) (14-0)
10. Ft. Lauderdale (FL) St. Thomas Aq. (13-1)
11. Lowndes (GA) (14-1)
12. Gilman School (MD) (9-0)
13. Ventura (CA) St. Bonaventure (14-0)
14. DeMatha (MD) (11-1)
15. Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central (14-1)
16. Morris (IL) (14-0)
17. McKeesport (PA) (14-2)
18. Compton (CA) Dominguez (13-1)
19. Euless (TX) Trinity (14-1)
20. Mission Viejo (CA) (12-1)
21. Brophy Prep (AZ) (13-1)
22. Union (OK) (13-1)
23. Concord (CA) De La Salle (11-2)
24. Westfield (TX) (11-1)
25. St. Peter's Prep (NJ) (12-0)

[AboutTreeFiddy]

Interesting take. Those teams very well could take them.
Next question though is where would this game be taking place?
I'd be willing to bet and do so quite comfortably that if Carmel was playing at home then they would beat Rockwall, Cove, Carter, Pearland, Stephenville, Judson, Lufkin, Longview, Stony Point, HP, Lake Travis, Abilene.

I was going by a neutral site ala a playoff game....

But that's interesting you think they could beat those teams...I don't think they could. MAYBE Rockwall, Stephenville, and Carter.

[BDB]

Thats funny, seems you know our amphibian friend quite well :D

i fell into his "i know florida football and MNW will lose by 60" trap last year. now im more objective of oos teams.

[cajun]

Well, they haven't won a state title in quite some time. Yeah, Longview beat Tyler Lee, but also lost to them... And the Garland game? I dunno. Longview just had the speed to stop the Wing T. I watched that game recently, and it seemed like as soon as a play would start, half the defense was in the backfield.



I looked and Neville was #2 behind Curtis who beat them by 3. Longview won by 7, albeit late. The Texas teams you mentioned weren't that great other than Jesuit who went 10-2 thanks to an easy schedule. And in 2007, Curtis beat St. James in the state finals when it mattered.



Longview lost to Garland in the second round. And since when are 10 point wins barely winning? I remember the Carencro game... And Longview had trouble with everyone that year except Ouachita, Bryan Adams, and Mesquite Horn. Beat 4A Marshall 38-35, North Mesquite 35-28 after trailing 28-27 with 3 minutes left, Lee 24-10 after needing a late kick return for a TD and 4 picks by 1 player, John Tyler 28-21 coming back from 14 down in the 4th quarter, and Mesquite 21-17, scoring late and barely holding off a Mesquite drive.

10 point wins are close games to me these days....Beating someone 45-0 is not a close game..

The point is Longview is not just some "chump" Texas team...Had some people try to tell me that on another forum...

[farmerfan]

I was going by a neutral site ala a playoff game....

But that's interesting you think they could beat those teams...I don't think they could. MAYBE Rockwall, Stephenville, and Carter.

Neutral site playoff game played in Little Rock or somewhere else then I think you would be surprised at how many of those teams Carmel could quite possibly beat.
There are the obvious that will be better and that is Katy, Carroll, Trinity, Plano and Westfield but after that I dont think I would feel comfortable sending the rest of those teams and thinking they would all come back winners.

[BDB]

Cathedral High School wasn't exactly a patsy school Carmel was playing yesterday, in my opinion...
0)

honestly, cathedral played a great game up till they lost the lead. but i dont see carmel as being one of the top 25 teams in the country. i would rather give that to another team from texas/ohio/fl/cal instead.

[farmerfan]

i fell into his "i know florida football and MNW will lose by 60" trap last year. now im more objective of oos teams.

:D
It was just as bad before Colerain/Lee in 05.
Funny thing, he still has never come out and ate his crow and given either Colerain or MNW any credit for winning those games.
And some wonder why he is not received well on the yappi;):D
You're wise young prez, even for a Whorn:D

[BDB]

:D
It was just as bad before Colerain/Lee in 05.
Funny thing, he still has never come out and ate his crow and given either Colerain or MNW any credit for winning those games.
And some wonder why he is not received well on the yappi;):D
You're wise young prez, even for a Whorn:D


i gave fla posters crap when they got annoying, i think it even got to DADA too. but i was never really sure about that 50 point win thing. then the day comes and slc loses then kermit is nowhere to be found till like a month ago.

he has good stats, but they are not used right all the time.

[farmerfan]

i gave fla posters crap when they got annoying, i think it even got to DADA too. but i was never really sure about that 50 point win thing. then the day comes and slc loses then kermit is nowhere to be found till like a month ago.

he has good stats, but they are not used right all the time.

That's quite an accomplishment there, DADA is the coolest one on this board when it comes to handling that type of stuff :eek:

[TrojanHorse03]

Some would say being told your state champion team is gonna be beat by 21 points over and over again can be annoying too....

[BDB]

That's quite an accomplishment there, DADA is the coolest one on this board when it comes to handling that type of stuff :eek:

i know it wasn't anywhere near a wide attack, but mostly :rolleyes: comments.

[Canes0177]

Remember 2005? Tyler Lee who went 5-5 in Texas played Cincinnati Colerain and lost by like 12. Didn't Colerain go on to win state? Or barely lose in the state finals? Remember, this was a team who didn't make the Texas playoffs. That year, they also beat Hollywood Chaminade Madonna (Fla.) who would demolish all the rest of their opponents.


Never let the facts get in the way of a good fluff piece.

Miami Washington 29, Hollywood Chaminade 14
Hollywood Chaminade 14, American Heritage 13

The Heritage game was for the district title. Heritage went for two and the win after their last touchdown in the 4th quarter.

[Canes0177]

Carmel (IN) last year beat Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) (42-35)...
Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) lost to Glenville (Cleveland, OH) (38-36)...Glenville one of Ohio's big school powers...

In fact Poly(California) beat Glenville, Ohio 21-14 last year...

Point?...

Ain't that much difference...Only in people's heads....

More Incredibly bad comparisons made by cajun. Surprise!

Warren Central was 8-4 last year. Glenville lost 3 games and has never won a state championship. A very good program? Yes. A power? Only in the world on cajun where he alone sets the criteria for what makes a power team.

[Canes0177]

.
Basically the two best teams in Ohio in 2005 were STX and Colerain and there wasnt much after those two teams in Ohio because they destroyed almost everyone they played against in OHio.

Now.. Hollywood-Chaminade was the 2005 Florida 2A Champs. They went like (13-2) in 2005. They lost to a (4-6) Tyler Lee, Tx team in a close hardfought game. I think the final score was like 23-21.

Hollywood-Chaminade other loss in 2005 was to Booker T. Washington (Dade Co. #1 team) in 2005. BTW beat Hollywood-Chaminade like 24-10 in 2005.
Again, BTW was like the #1 team in Miami-Dade Co. in 2005 and went to the State Semi-Finals where they lost a close hardfought game to Armwood like 31-28 in Traz Stadium ( I was there).

Armwood went on to lose the State Title to Nease (Tim Tebow) led team.

Point.. that Hollywood-Chaminade, Fl (2A) team was a Florida Top #10 that year and could of given anyone in the South Florida area a tough game and come out on top in just about all of them except maybe 2 or 3 other teams in South Florida that year.

This 2008 Cypress Bay, Fl team is predicted by some Florida gurus to make a serious run at the Florida 6A State Title this season. They have like 6 to 7 Senior D-1A kids on the team plus a few Junior (D-1A) prospects. Coach Guandolo likes to keep a wideopen front door to the schools and football department for any football "recruits" in the local 15 mile radius around the schools he is at.;):rolleyes:

So much to refute, so little time.

St. Xavier hardly destroyed everyone they played in 2005.

St. Xavier 24, Indianapolis Cathedral 21
St. Xavier 17, Hilliard Davidson 10
St. Xavier 24, Massillon Washington 17

Not to mention the 2 close games with Colerain. That's 5 games within one score.

Chaminade went 11-2 in 2005. It was a Hurricane year.

Which segues into my point about the Tyler Lee game. A Hurricane was hitting Florida as they were flying to Texas. They had to fly in the day of the game. Then their hotel lost power so they had to find another place to stay.

You're pretty bad with scores aren't you? I don't think you've gotten one right so far.

Washington was the #1 team in Dade only because it fits your story. They only played 4 teams from Dade that year. None of them particularly good outside of maybe Edison who they beat 13-12 and 24-20.

I don't know here Chaminade finished in the final state poll that year but the latest poll I could find was week 8 and they were unranked, also receiving votes.

So not even in the top 25 two weeks before the playoffs. They finished 3rd in the final 2A poll (regular season).

So once again Chaminade was only "top 10 in state, could beat anybody in South Florida" because it makes your story sound better.

Can you name the "6-7 kids who are D1" from Cypress Bay?

They have 3 linebackers (Gamble, Gordon and Walker) and a borderline running back (Douglas).

That's 4.

Also, Cypress Bay actually lost about 1,000 students this year because of West Broward opening in August.

So it's more likely the kids are going in the opposite direction.

[cajun]

More Incredibly bad comparisons made by cajun. Surprise!

Warren Central was 8-4 last year. Glenville lost 3 games and has never won a state championship. A very good program? Yes. A power? Only in the world on cajun where he alone sets the criteria for what makes a power team.

I like you...You make me look smart!

Glenville 44-7 last 4 years....That's 11 wins a year with-say 2 losses...That's some "power" to me...If Poly from California can be a "power" so can Glenville in Ohio...You don't have a clue do you?

Poly beat Glenville 21-13..BUT, Glenville is not a "power"...In order to be a "power" you gotta be like MNW...(lol)

From 2005..

The list of the 10 high schools that have produced the most Division-I players in the last five years includes what many would expect. There are three programs from Florida, two from Texas and another from California – the three most football rich states in the nation. A couple of private schools with huge athletic budgets also made the cut.

Robert Rose might be continuing Glenville's tradition of sending players to Ohio State.
And so did an inner-city school from Cleveland, Ohio. Twenty-three D-I signees have come out of Glenville High in the last five years, tying the program for sixth during that time period.

Expect Glenville to jump into the top five next year and possibly make a run a the No. 1 spot. Longtime head coach Ted Ginn Sr., says he has his most talented team ever and might have 12 players sign letters of intent with D-I schools on signing day next February.

Eight Glenville players are ranked among the top 50 prospects in Ohio from the class of 2006 by Rivals.com, including two members of the top 10, wide receiver/cornerback Raymond Small (No. 6) and defensive lineman Robert Rose (No. 8).

Small and Rose, who both have a long list of impressive offers, are calling Ohio State their leader in the recruiting process, which comes as no surprise. Glenville is considered one of the main pipelines for the Big Ten power. Five of their former players were on the Buckeyes' roster last year, including Ted Ginn Jr., one of the top Heisman candidates, and starting quarterback Troy Smith.

Royce Adams said Glenville is "like the JV squad for Ohio State."
"We are like the JV squad for Ohio State," said cornerback Royce Adams, one of many Glenville stars hoping for an offer from the Buckeyes.

Ginn said he doesn't steer his players toward Ohio State, but he does have a simple explanation for his program's overwhelming abundance of talent.


http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=428265

[Canes0177]

Ya, the Colerain vs Tyler Lee game was basically (2 touchdown difference). Not bad when you consider this was like the #2 team in Ohio (Colerain) vs a Non-Texas 5A playoff team.

But again, this was a Texas team that might have ended up about #50th in Texas against the #2 team in Ohio (Colerain) and giving them the 2nd toughest competition of the year besides the two (St.Xavier) games which were basically anyone games between (STX & Colerain).

Plus, STX went on to win the 2005 Ohio D-1A Title in dominating fashion.

I use to live about 10 minutes from Hollywood-Chaminade campus in 2005. I saw them play a few times in 2005 in person. They had like 12 (Seniors/Juniors) on that team that went D-1A to schools in the SEC,ACC, Sun Belt, Conf USA and Notre Dame. They had great talent on the team and just as good as anyone in Florida (talent wise).

They (Chaminade) are a 2A Private school so you can throw out the classificaton #. Just like with Evangel, John Curtis of Louisiana. They have an open enrollment (kids from all over) can come to school there. They are right in the middle of the Fort Lauderdale, Fl area where 1,000's of people live so the athlete "POOL" for them is great.

The 2005 Chaminade team that played Tyler Lee was a much more individually athletic talented team than Tyler Lee.

The only other loss Hollywood-Chaminade had that year (2005) was like 24-10 and it was to the #1 team in Dade-County (Booker T. Washington) who was also Nationally ranked to start the year.

Hell, in fact the 2005 Hollywood-Chaminade team was on many Nationally Top #25 polls until they lost to Tyler Lee.;)

But, when a team is 2A or 3A and they are a Private School (ie. Hollywood Chaminde, John Curtis, Evangel and ect). Throw out the 2A or 3A #'s because those schools have "OPEN ENROLLMENT" for athletes which means "NO ZONING" and kids "ATHLETES" can come from anywhere too play.

I have to stress the "OPEN ENROLMENT" & "NO ZONING" for a couple of people on here because they still dont get that simple concept.;)

Man you are a gaffe machine.

Colerain lost in the regional final. Two other teams played X just as close in the following rounds.

St. Xavier 12, Colerain 9 (REGIONAL FINAL)
St. Xavier 17, Hilliard Davidson 10 (STATE SEMIFINAL)
St. Xavier 24, Massillon Washington 17 (STATE FINAL)

So how in the world can you say that Colerain was the #2 team in Ohio?

Also, does winning 12-9, 17-10 and 24-17 in the final 3 playoff games come off to you as "dominating" fashion?

Can you name any of the "12 D1" kids Chaminade had that year?

Joe Dawson - FAU
Willie Floyd - FAU
Kamar Aiken - UCF
Akeem Auguste - South Carolina
Emeka Nwankwo - Notre Dame
Eain Smith - West Virginia
Xavier Stinson - FAU

That's 7. Four of them to "directional" Florida schools.

Dawson never enrolled.
Floyd is injured.
Aiken is injured.
Stinson didn't qualify and just enrolled this August.
Nwankwo was moved to the defensive line where he is a backup.
Eain Smith is a backup.

7 (mostly) non-contributors.

They didn't even have the most talent in their county let alone the state of Florida.

What you can throw out is your analysis. Chaminade is an arts school with 700 kids. They are almost uniformly horrible in every sport. They don't have an athletic student body by any means.

Washington was not nationally ranked in the preseason in 2005.


http://www.prepnation.com/poll/poll.cfm?poll=1&year=2005&week=1 (http://www.prepnation.com/poll/poll.cfm?poll=1&year=2005&week=1)

They weren't even REGIONALLY ranked by PrepNation.

Neither was Chaminade. They weren't ranked AT ANY POINT that season. Regional or otherwise.

Get your facts straight pal.

[Canes0177]

I like you...You make me look smart!

Glenville 44-7 last 4 years....That's 11 wins a year with-say 2 losses...That's some "power" to me...If Poly from California can be a "power" so can Glenville in Ohio...You don't have a clue do you?

Poly beat Glenville 21-13..BUT, Glenville is not a "power"...In order to be a "power" you gotta be like MNW...(lol)

From 2005..

The list of the 10 high schools that have produced the most Division-I players in the last five years includes what many would expect. There are three programs from Florida, two from Texas and another from California – the three most football rich states in the nation. A couple of private schools with huge athletic budgets also made the cut.

Robert Rose might be continuing Glenville's tradition of sending players to Ohio State.
And so did an inner-city school from Cleveland, Ohio. Twenty-three D-I signees have come out of Glenville High in the last five years, tying the program for sixth during that time period.

Expect Glenville to jump into the top five next year and possibly make a run a the No. 1 spot. Longtime head coach Ted Ginn Sr., says he has his most talented team ever and might have 12 players sign letters of intent with D-I schools on signing day next February.

Eight Glenville players are ranked among the top 50 prospects in Ohio from the class of 2006 by Rivals.com, including two members of the top 10, wide receiver/cornerback Raymond Small (No. 6) and defensive lineman Robert Rose (No. 8).

Small and Rose, who both have a long list of impressive offers, are calling Ohio State their leader in the recruiting process, which comes as no surprise. Glenville is considered one of the main pipelines for the Big Ten power. Five of their former players were on the Buckeyes' roster last year, including Ted Ginn Jr., one of the top Heisman candidates, and starting quarterback Troy Smith.

Royce Adams said Glenville is "like the JV squad for Ohio State."
"We are like the JV squad for Ohio State," said cornerback Royce Adams, one of many Glenville stars hoping for an offer from the Buckeyes.

Ginn said he doesn't steer his players toward Ohio State, but he does have a simple explanation for his program's overwhelming abundance of talent.


http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=428265

How do any of those numbers refute the point I made about them losing 3 games last year and never winning a state championship?

:confused:

A power is a school that has never won a state championship? Or even played for one?

So Glenville sends a lot of kids to college? I agree.

Doesn't make them a "power" by any means especially when they blow it every year.

[Buckeye21]

Say it aint so CHD.:D;)

Trust me,, I've had it shoved down my throat on Yappis over the last few years how much dominate the Cininnati area (especailly the mighty GCL League) is over not just Texas but anything in America.

The High school competition in the Cinicinnati, Ohio area is just off the charts. Especially the GCL league (STX, Elder, Moeller and LaSalle):rolleyes:

Hey, if LaSalle & Trotwood come to Texas and beat Cedar Hill & Arlington Bowie then I'll do some serious re-thinking on my personal beliefs. Especially since both are coming to Texas with losses already.

If Cedar Hill & Arlington Bowie beat them in close games. Like within (10 pts) I'll still rethink some.

But... If Cedar Hill and ARlington Bowie both win their games and do it in dominitaing controlling fashion where the games are really never in doubt. I'll stand by my point.

Neither LaSalle or Trotwood will win those games. LaSalle was pretty good last year, mostly because of 5 star receiver Devier Posey who went to OSU. LaSalle is typically a bottom dweller in the GCL. Not saying they are a bad team, but the GCL is a meat grinder and they are traditionally one of the weakest teams.

Trotwood lost 12 x D-1 scholarship players from last year. Trotwood is usually talented, but they never win anything. They are a 7-3 type team every year that gets smacked in the playoffs by disciplined teams. They are a smaller and less talented version of Glenville.

Herbie has blown it the last year or 2 by the Ohio teams he has put in this thing. It is a joke and I am losing interest quickly. There is no reason that teams like Grove City, Findlay, Warren Howland, Trotwood Madison, Clayton Northmont, LaSalle, Huber Heights, Middletown, etc...should be involved in these games.

[Canes0177]

That Hollywood-Chaminade defense had at least 6 kids on it that are playing major D-1A college football now. Their entire secondary was D-1A kids.

Smith
Auguste
Aiken

Aiken played both ways but is a WR at Central Florida.

So who was the 4th member of this dynamic foursome in the secondary?

[Buckeye21]

I like you...You make me look smart!

Glenville 44-7 last 4 years....That's 11 wins a year with-say 2 losses...That's some "power" to me...If Poly from California can be a "power" so can Glenville in Ohio...You don't have a clue do you?

Poly beat Glenville 21-13..BUT, Glenville is not a "power"...In order to be a "power" you gotta be like MNW...(lol)

From 2005..

The list of the 10 high schools that have produced the most Division-I players in the last five years includes what many would expect. There are three programs from Florida, two from Texas and another from California – the three most football rich states in the nation. A couple of private schools with huge athletic budgets also made the cut.

Robert Rose might be continuing Glenville's tradition of sending players to Ohio State.
And so did an inner-city school from Cleveland, Ohio. Twenty-three D-I signees have come out of Glenville High in the last five years, tying the program for sixth during that time period.

Expect Glenville to jump into the top five next year and possibly make a run a the No. 1 spot. Longtime head coach Ted Ginn Sr., says he has his most talented team ever and might have 12 players sign letters of intent with D-I schools on signing day next February.

Eight Glenville players are ranked among the top 50 prospects in Ohio from the class of 2006 by Rivals.com, including two members of the top 10, wide receiver/cornerback Raymond Small (No. 6) and defensive lineman Robert Rose (No. 8).

Small and Rose, who both have a long list of impressive offers, are calling Ohio State their leader in the recruiting process, which comes as no surprise. Glenville is considered one of the main pipelines for the Big Ten power. Five of their former players were on the Buckeyes' roster last year, including Ted Ginn Jr., one of the top Heisman candidates, and starting quarterback Troy Smith.

Royce Adams said Glenville is "like the JV squad for Ohio State."
"We are like the JV squad for Ohio State," said cornerback Royce Adams, one of many Glenville stars hoping for an offer from the Buckeyes.

Ginn said he doesn't steer his players toward Ohio State, but he does have a simple explanation for his program's overwhelming abundance of talent.


http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=428265

Glenville also plays in an inner city conference that is a joke. They step out of conference 2 or 3 times a years and play really good teams. Don't get me worng...Glenville is the MOST TALENTED team in the state almost every year. However, their coach is horrible and they typically get beat by more disciplined teams come playoff time. That is why they have never won anything. They win games by having better athletes. They are bigger, stronger and faster than anyone they play. However, when they play a really solid program they usually have a game on their hands.

[cajun]

How do any of those numbers refute the point I made about them losing 3 games last year and never winning a state championship?

:confused:

A power is a school that has never won a state championship? Or even played for one?

So Glenville sends a lot of kids to college? I agree.

Doesn't make them a "power" by any means especially when they blow it every year.


What makes Long Beach Polytechnic High School a "power" then?...

Nevermind...Play with froggie...He's your speed!

[cajun]

Glenville also plays in an inner city conference that is a joke. They step out of conference 2 or 3 times a years and play really good teams. Don't get me worng...Glenville is the MOST TALENTED team in the state almost every year. However, their coach is horrible and they typically get beat by more disciplined teams come playoff time. That is why they have never won anything. They win games by having better athletes. They are bigger, stronger and faster than anyone they play. However, when they play a really solid program they usually have a game on their hands.

I can agree with this...

Looking at it looks like Mentor is Glenville's problem...Glenville handles St. Ignatius pretty well... St. Ignatius may not be what they used to be though...I would still include Glenville as one of Ohio's best if just talent wise...You still gotta beat them..

Thanks..

[farmerfan]

What makes Long Beach Polytechnic High School a "power" then?...

Nevermind...Play with froggie...He's your speed!

HAHA
Where's the popcorn smiley?
We need that for whats going to happen when froggy comes back.

On another note Cajun, is it going to be safe for me to come down to Baton Rouge Ocotber 25th? Have any pointers on some cheap places to stay close to Tiger Stadium?

[Canes0177]

What makes Long Beach Polytechnic High School a "power" then?...

Nevermind...Play with froggie...He's your speed!

Because they've won the highest title given by their state association about 17 times.

Simple.

Glenville has never even PLAYED for their states highest title.

[Buckeye21]

I can agree with this...

Looking at it looks like Mentor is Glenville's problem...Glenville handles St. Ignatius pretty well... St. Ignatius may not be what they used to be though...I would still include Glenville as one of Ohio's best if just talent wise...You still gotta beat them..

Thanks..

Glenville is surely one of the states best. If anyone says otherwise they are full of it.

You are right about Mentor. Mentor is one of those teams that doesn't get respect nationally, or statewide for that matter, but they win. They have lost the title game the last 2 years.

Iggy isn't what they were, but they are still darn good. I watched them in person against St X last year and they stood toe to toe with them and lost on an overtime field goal. I also went and watched them last night against Glenville. Glenville beat them on a last second field goal, but Iggy was right with them. Their D is awesome, but they haven't had a game breaker of a skill player since Anthony Gonzolez.

[Canes0177]

I can agree with this...

Looking at it looks like Mentor is Glenville's problem...Glenville handles St. Ignatius pretty well... St. Ignatius may not be what they used to be though...I would still include Glenville as one of Ohio's best if just talent wise...You still gotta beat them..

Thanks..

So answer the question.

Are teams who have never played for a state championship considered a power?

This guy has called Niceville and Apopka state powers in Florida.

He's a kook who pretends to know a lot about football in other states but shows his true colors whenever he is challenged.

[Canes0177]

Glenville is surely one of the states best. If anyone says otherwise they are full of it.

You are right about Mentor. Mentor is one of those teams that doesn't get respect nationally, or statewide for that matter, but they win. They have lost the title game the last 2 years.

Iggy isn't what they were, but they are still darn good. I watched them in person against St X last year and they stood toe to toe with them and lost on an overtime field goal. I also went and watched them last night against Glenville. Glenville beat them on a last second field goal, but Iggy was right with them. Their D is awesome, but they haven't had a game breaker of a skill player since Anthony Gonzolez.

You have to excuse cajun. He routinely changes his tune when his first statement is proven ridiculous.

First he said Curtis would have 35 state titles in Florida.

Then he changed it to 22-25.

He said that Glenville was an Ohio power.

Now he says they are one of Ohio's best teams talent wise.

He can't keep his made up stories straight.

[Buckeye21]

So answer the question.

Are teams who have never played for a state championship considered a power?

This guy has called Niceville and Apopka state powers in Florida.

He's a kook who pretends to know a lot about football in other states but shows his true colors whenever he is challenged.

This is a tough question to answer. I live in the Cleveland area, so I have watched Ohio football for years. Personally, I wouldn't consider Glenville a power because they haven't played for a title. They play toe to toe with the best in the state and more often than not win, but you have to get through the grind of a playoffs a few times to be a true power. Are they typically a top 10-15 team? Yes. Are they a power?.........tough call on that one.

Besides, they have only been relevant the last decade or so.

[Canes0177]

This is a tough question to answer. I live in the Cleveland area, so I have watched Ohio football for years. Personally, I wouldn't consider Glenville a power because they haven't played for a title. They play toe to toe with the best in the state and more often than not win, but you have to get through the grind of a playoffs a few times to be a true power. Are they typically a top 10-15 team? Yes. Are they a power?.........tough call on that one.

Besides, they have only been relevant the last decade or so.

Exactly.

My family is from Fremont so I know a little bit about Ohio football.

[Buckeye21]

Exactly.

My family is from Fremont so I know a little bit about Ohio football.

Fremont, huh? I know a guy named Charles Woodson who was a pretty good player from Fremont Ross high school. They USED to have some fantastic teams.

[Canes0177]

Fremont, huh? I know a guy named Charles Woodson who was a pretty good player from Fremont Ross high school. They USED to have some fantastic teams.

Not so much any more.

They are still nostalgic for the Rob Lytle and Bob Brudzinski teams.

[CKE]

Usually this is where I would chime in and say some smart *** comment but im having to much fun watching the OOS guys tear each other apart http://www.improvresourcecenter.com/mb/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[Buckeye21]

Usually this is where I would chime in and say some smart *** comment but im having to much fun watching the OOS guys tear each other apart http://www.improvresourcecenter.com/mb/images/smilies/popcorn.gif


Who is tearing anyone apart? Just curious.

[CKE]

Who is tearing anyone apart? Just curious.

May it was a bad use of words duke it out maybe?

[cajun]

This is a tough question to answer. I live in the Cleveland area, so I have watched Ohio football for years. Personally, I wouldn't consider Glenville a power because they haven't played for a title. They play toe to toe with the best in the state and more often than not win, but you have to get through the grind of a playoffs a few times to be a true power. Are they typically a top 10-15 team? Yes. Are they a power?.........tough call on that one.

Besides, they have only been relevant the last decade or so.

2005 State Title Game
4 #1 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 24
2 #3 Washington (Massillon, OH) 17

Is Massillon a Ohio "power"...They played for a title...

Massillon last 4 years:
6-4
7-5
13-2 (2005)
4-6

I'll take Glenville...You and cane can have Massillon ...St. Ignatius has owned Massillon...Glenville owns St. Ignatius....

[Buckeye21]

2005 State Title Game
4 #1 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 24
2 #3 Washington (Massillon, OH) 17

Is Massillon a Ohio "power"...They played for a title...

Massillon last 4 years:
6-4
7-5
13-2 (2005)
4-6

I'll take Glenville...You and cane can have Massillon ...St. Ignatius has owned Massillon...Glenville owns St. Ignatius....

I can answer that question. No. Massillon is not an Ohio power anymore. They have never won a state title in the playoff era. They have something absurd like 22 "mythical" titles when the press voted, but those were a long time ago. They 2005 team was pretty good, but Massillon hasn't been a power for YEARS.

Besides, the team x beat team y, so team z that beat team x would beat team y doesn't work.

[Canes0177]

2005 State Title Game
4 #1 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 24
2 #3 Washington (Massillon, OH) 17

Is Massillon a Ohio "power"...They played for a title...

Massillon last 4 years:
6-4
7-5
13-2 (2005)
4-6

I'll take Glenville...You and cane can have Massillon ...St. Ignatius has owned Massillon...Glenville owns St. Ignatius....

No. Neither of them are Ohio powers right now.

Massillon hasn't been a power since the playoff format was adopted.

Glenville has never been one.

I never said playing for a title makes you a power. It's necessary but not sufficient.

[Buckeye21]

2005 State Title Game
4 #1 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 24
2 #3 Washington (Massillon, OH) 17

Is Massillon a Ohio "power"...They played for a title...

Massillon last 4 years:
6-4
7-5
13-2 (2005)
4-6

I'll take Glenville...You and cane can have Massillon ...St. Ignatius has owned Massillon...Glenville owns St. Ignatius....

However, in 2006 Massillon took their 7-5 team and beat the 13-1 (the 1 was Massillon) big school state champions Chandler Hamilton, Arizona by a score of 35-26.

[cajun]

No. Neither of them are Ohio powers right now.

Massillon hasn't been a power since the playoff format was adopted.

Glenville has never been one.

I never said playing for a title makes you a power. It's necessary but not sufficient.

Oh, ok...Thought I read earlier playing in a title game gets you some "power" status...

Hey cane buddy..

Let me have your "power" list?...

[Canes0177]

Oh, ok...Thought I read earlier playing in a title game gets you some "power" status...

Hey cane buddy..

Let me have your "power" list?...

That wouldn't be the first time you misread something.

I said it's necessary to be a power but it's not sufficient by itself.

I don't use the word power as lightly as you do. At one point you said that Niceville and Apopka were powers.

It depends on if your talking historical power or a recent power.

In Ohio in terms of recent powers I'd have to say St. Xavier, Coldwater, Cardinal Mooney, Marion Local, Steubenville.

If you're just talking about D1 then the list is very small: St. Xavier, Colerain and probably Mentor.

Historically it's a bit different: St. Ignatius, Moeller, Massillon, the usual suspects.

[Texasfrog]

Man you are a gaffe machine.

[QUOTE]Colerain lost in the regional final. Two other teams played X just as close in the following rounds.

Wow.. Colerain lost to St.Xavier in the regional round. The team (STX) that went on to win the Ohio D-1 Title. Again.. Just Wow.

St. Xavier 12, Colerain 9 (REGIONAL FINAL)
St. Xavier 17, Hilliard Davidson 10 (STATE SEMIFINAL)
St. Xavier 24, Massillon Washington 17 (STATE FINAL)

So how in the world can you say that Colerain was the #2 team in Ohio?

Because Colerain lost 2 games that year. Both to St.Xavier in dog-fight games that both went 4th QT's and were basically 7 pts or less. No other team gave St.Xavier a dogfight game like Colerain did. Basically the Ohio D-1 State Title was played in the Regional Final (STX- 12, Colearin-9).;)

Also, does winning 12-9, 17-10 and 24-17 in the final 3 playoff games come off to you as "dominating" fashion?

Outside of a very few games that year (2005) in Ohio. St.Xavier and Colerain kicked the :Censor: out of everyone they played against.

Can you name any of the "12 D1" kids Chaminade had that year?

Maybe I have the exact number wrong. But, it aint off by much. Here is one few you forgot about:

SS-Jordan Delegal - North Carolina St.

Plus, DB-Alex Blucher and OL-Ed Ferguson both had D-1A offers but I guess never signed. Look it up on Rivals and Scouts.;)

Joe Dawson - FAU
Willie Floyd - FAU
Kamar Aiken - UCF
Akeem Auguste - South Carolina
Emeka Nwankwo - Notre Dame
Eain Smith - West Virginia
Xavier Stinson - FAU

That's 7. Four of them to "directional" Florida schools.

Dawson never enrolled.
Floyd is injured.
Aiken is injured.
Stinson didn't qualify and just enrolled this August.
Nwankwo was moved to the defensive line where he is a backup.
Eain Smith is a backup.

7 (mostly) non-contributors.

Too bad some got hurt and ect. It still doesnt take away the fact that D-1A programs signed them. Even if they are D-1A backups or failed out of school.

They didn't even have the most talent in their county let alone the state of Florida.

2nd most talented team in Broward Co next to St.Thomas Aquanas. St.Thomas Aquanis will always probably be the most talented team in Broward Co. in regards to football. They are a big time PRIVATE SCHOOL with a wide open door policy for football players.;)

What you can throw out is your analysis. Chaminade is an arts school with 700 kids. They are almost uniformly horrible in every sport. They don't have an athletic student body by any means.

Dont spin me crap on how Hollywood Chaminade is some little bitty art school. While Coach Guandolo was there he built a powerful little Private School 2A program there in Fort Lauderdale. That's why he won the freaking 2005 State Title.;)

Washington was not nationally ranked in the preseason in 2005. They may not of been on many National ranked list in 2005. But, they were considered the #1 Miami-Dade team in 2005 by most gurus. In late 2005 they were considered the regional power.

PREP NATION (Nov.28, 2005)
Southeast Region
1. Lakeland, Fla. ({ts '1999-12-13 00:00:00'}) (1)
2. Batesville, Miss., South Panola ({ts '1999-12-13 00:00:00'}) (2)
3. Snellville, Ga., Brookwood ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) (4)
4. Hoover, Ala. ({ts '2000-01-13 00:00:00'}) (6)
5. Valdosta, Ga., Lowndes ({ts '2000-01-13 00:00:00'}) (5)
6. Miami, Fla., Booker T. Washington ({ts '1999-12-10 00:00:00'}) (7)
7. Fort Lauderdale, Fla., St. Thomas Aquinas ({ts '1999-12-12 00:00:00'}) (8)
8. West Monroe, La. ({ts '2000-01-11 00:00:00'}) (9)
9. Warner Robins, Ga., Northside ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) (10)
10. Maryville, Tenn. ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) --

The only other Florida team ranked higher at the time (Nov.28,2005) was Lakeland.

[Texasfrog]

Smith
Auguste
Aiken

Aiken played both ways but is a WR at Central Florida.

So who was the 4th member of this dynamic foursome in the secondary?

Jordan Delegal- North Carolina St. Get your :Censor: right ok.;)

Plus, DB-Alex Blucher had a few offers from D-1A programs but never signed. Grades must of been a major issue in the end.

So basically they (Chaminade) had 5 kids patrolling the secondary that were all D-1A caliber kids. So much for the "NO TALENTED SCHOOL" your blabbing about.:rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

Chaminade went 11-2 in 2005. It was a Hurricane year.

Which segues into my point about the Tyler Lee game. A Hurricane was hitting Florida as they were flying to Texas. They had to fly in the day of the game. Then their hotel lost power so they had to find another place to stay.

You're pretty bad with scores aren't you? I don't think you've gotten one right so far.

Chaminade flew to Dallas, Tx the day before the game. Stayed the night in Dallas. They drove to Tyler,Tx the day of the game. So again get your facts right. Both Tyler Lee and Chaminade had to sit in the Rose Stadium field house for about a 90 minute rain/lightning delay before kickoff.;)


Washington was the #1 team in Dade only because it fits your story. They only played 4 teams from Dade that year. None of them particularly good outside of maybe Edison who they beat 13-12 and 24-20.

According to Prepnation in November 2005. The highest ranked Dade Co. team was Booker T. Washington. Please enlighten me of the Miami-Dade team that was ranked higher in Dade Co. in 2005.

PREP NATION (Nov.28, 2005)
Southeast Region1. Lakeland, Fla. ({ts '1999-12-13 00:00:00'}) (1)
2. Batesville, Miss., South Panola ({ts '1999-12-13 00:00:00'}) (2)
3. Snellville, Ga., Brookwood ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) (4)
4. Hoover, Ala. ({ts '2000-01-13 00:00:00'}) (6)
5. Valdosta, Ga., Lowndes ({ts '2000-01-13 00:00:00'}) (5)
6. Miami, Fla., Booker T. Washington ({ts '1999-12-10 00:00:00'}) (7) (Dade Co. team).
7. Fort Lauderdale, Fla., St. Thomas Aquinas ({ts '1999-12-12 00:00:00'}) (8)
8. West Monroe, La. ({ts '2000-01-11 00:00:00'}) (9)
9. Warner Robins, Ga., Northside ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) (10)
10. Maryville, Tenn. ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) --

If it fits my story then it fits Prep-Nation story also.

[Texasfrog]

CANEWhat you can throw out is your analysis. Chaminade is an arts school with 700 kids. They are almost uniformly horrible in every sport. They don't have an athletic student body by any means.

Chaminade and Miami Washington Are Set for the Future

By Larry Blustein



Very seldom does a game live up to all of its hype at the high school level. But last Friday’s afternoon tilt between two of the best football teams in the state, Miami Booker T. Washington and Hollywood’s Chaminade-Madonna was quite entertaining.


Okay, so there were six key turnovers and well over 150 yards in penalties, but it was the kind of game that needed to sink in before making any rash comments. The 16-13 win by the defending 2A state champion Lions over a 4A Booker T. Washington team that has been in the mix the past four years showed how impressive these programs are.


The setting was quaint (less than 2,000 people) and the atmosphere perfect for a meeting like this. It was one of those games where you may never see as much D-1 talent competing on one field at the same time, and while those on hand for this epic meeting may have taken it for granted; this is what high school football in the Sunshine State is all about.



Maybe the reason that the Lions and Tornadoes had problems moving the ball and turned it over as much as they did had something to do with the athletes on both sides of the ball. Neither team may come up against a strong defense that they went up against in Hollywood last Friday. I’m sure they won’t. At least not this year.


While much of the attention was paid to Chaminade seniors Kamar Aiken, Emeka Nwanko, Xavier Stinson, Eain Smith and Akeem Auguste, there were some impressive underclassmen making plays for both teams.

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Cane, If Hollywood-Chaminde is this little "NO TALENTED" 2A team like you say. You better hurry up and tell Larry Blustein to take bake this artical he posted in the newspaper because he just raved on how good Hollywood-Chaminade was against a annual Miami-Dade power (Booker.T Washington) and how they (Chaminade) had some serious athletes.

Of coarse maybe you got it all right and we just got it all wrong about Chaminade..:rolleyes:;)

[Texasfrog]

Canes0177

They didn't even have the most talent in their county let alone the state of Florida.

What you can throw out is your analysis. Chaminade is an arts school with 700 kids. They are almost uniformly horrible in every sport. They don't have an athletic student body by any means.


Get your facts straight pal.

Chaminade opens as preseason No. 2

August 2, 2006
By Bob Emanuel Jr. Miami Herald.


Defending two-time Class 5A state champion Lakeland was named anointed the preseason No. 1 in the Varsity Sports Media Florida Football's Top 25 sponsored by Beef O'Brady's.
Chaminade-Madonna, the defending Class 2A champion was second.
Other Broward teams in the top 25 included: St. Thomas Aquinas (7), Hollywood Hills (15), Dillard (22) and Deerfield Beach (23).


1. Lakeland (5A); 2. Hollywood Chaminade-Madonna (2A); 3. Belle Glade Glades Central (3A); 4. Miami Northwestern (6A); 5. Seffner Armwood (4A); 6. Miami Booker T. Washington (4A); 7. Fort Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas (5A); 8. Pahokee (2B); 9. Orlando Edgewater (6A); 10. Miami Monsignor Pace (3A); 11. St. Augustine (3A); 12. Ocala Trinity Catholic (2B); 13. Citra North Marion (3A); 14. Madison County (2A); 15. Hollywood Hills (5A); 16. St. Augustine Nease (4A); 17. Bushnell South Sumter (2A); 18. Tallahassee Lincoln (4A); 19. Miami Edison (4A); 20. Jacksonville Bolles (2A); 21. Sarasota Booker (3A); 22. Fort Lauderdale Dillard (5A); 23. Deerfield Beach (6A); 24. Fort Myers (4A); 25. Apopka (6A).

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Wow Cane, for a team that you say sucks (Hollywood Chaminade). They sure did get a lot of Love in the Preseason 2006 Florida "STATE POLLS" didnt they ?

The Miami Herald and Mr. Emanuel thought enough of the suckie ole (Hollywood-Chaminade) team to give them the #2 State Preseason ranking.

That's overall #2 ranking in Florida regardless of Class size.:rolleyes:

I guess myself (Txfrog), Mr. Emanuel and a few others guys that I've quoted for you in the past few post are the real idiots in regards to how talented the 2004, 2005 and 2006 Hollywood-Chaminade teams were and you (Cane) got it all right.:rolleyes:;)

By the way, tell me Mr.Cane. Outside of St. Thomas Aquanis in Broward Co in 2005. Who was the 2nd most talented team (D-1A prospects) in the County ? I bet it was a little ole 2A Private school that goes by the name of Hollywood-Chaminade.:rolleyes:

One last thing before I hit the hey.. I'll also stand by my original point about the 2005 Tyler Lee vs Hollywood-Chaminade in regards to talent. The Hollywood-Chaminade team had more individual talent over Tyler Lee, Tx. That Hollywood-Chaminade team had about 10 kids (Seniors/Juniors) that were offered D-1A "ships" with what ? 8 kids that signed.

If I'm not mistaken Tyler Lee had 3 kids (Senior/Juniors) that signed D-1A. RB (Utep), OL (TCU) and WR (Tx Tech).

But I'll take Tyler Lee's tailback Jason Williams (UTEP) who set a school record with 259-yards rushing tonight, including four touchdowns, one of which went for 58-yards against Hollywood-Chaminade.

[Texasfrog]

Can you name the "6-7 kids who are D1" from Cypress Bay?

They have 3 linebackers (Gamble, Gordon and Walker) and a borderline running back (Douglas).

That's 4.

Also, Cypress Bay actually lost about 1,000 students this year because of West Broward opening in August.

So it's more likely the kids are going in the opposite direction.

I know of the 3 LB's and the RB. From what I hear they have a couple of OL kids and DB, DL that are D-1A caliber recruits also. We'll talk more about the recruits starting about November..

We'll talk more during the season because I'll be back in Sunrise Fl in about 2 weeks and I'll go check them (Cypress Bay) out in person and give you a detail scoop on whose who of Cypress Bay "OK.";) I live about 15 minutes from the freaking school.

Next, I'm aware of the new High school out on Hwy 27 (West Broward). I driven by it several times. My friend that I work with has a son that had the option of staying at Everglades High or transfering to West Broward.;)

I'm not even sure West Broward High is having a Varsity football season this year (2008) ? But, I'm also 100% that Coach Guadolo didnt let any of his football players (Seniors/Juniors) transfer there.:rolleyes:;)

Plus, Cypress Bay still have freaking almost 6,000 kids so I'm sure besides the several football transfers "cough cough" they have a large pool of kids to select from.

PS. I'm going to watch Katy vs North Shore this weekend and in 3 weeks I'll go check out Cypress Bay vs ??? in Broward Co.

[Bobcat81]

Has anyone in Texas 5A played Oklahoma standout "Jenks"-6A in recent memory?

Seems like they're getting a reputation that needs to be tested..
State Champions-79, 82, 93, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00, 01, 03, 06, and 07

http://www.jenkstrojanfootball.com/

State Championship game, Union vs. Jenks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ObZ_rLdFV4&feature=related

Looks like SLC isn't the only one with the "Platinum Blonde" tradition;
http://jenkstrojanfootball.com/2007_finals_union.html

Who do you think we could send up there to set a good Texas style "example" to tarnish all those championship rings?

Trinity, SLC, Katy, Plano, Lufkin, Permian, & Westfield are all teams i think could handle them. How bout someone a little further down the rankings? Let's say.. a #20 or #25 in the preseason polls?

[Jayhawker]

Cathedral's QB isn't bad. ((take that back, he just got picked))

It would be interesting to see an elite team from a state not known for football (Kansas, New Mexico, ect) take on an average Texas team. It would show the huge difference in level of play.

I do not know how it is today, but I played on a #4 State Ranked team in Kansas and our JV team at Lake Brantley (FL) would have killed them.

[Canes0177]

Wow.. Colerain lost to St.Xavier in the regional round. The team (STX) that went on to win the Ohio D-1 Title. Again.. Just Wow.

St. Xavier 12, Colerain 9 (REGIONAL FINAL)
St. Xavier 17, Hilliard Davidson 10 (STATE SEMIFINAL)
St. Xavier 24, Massillon Washington 17 (STATE FINAL)

Because Colerain lost 2 games that year. Both to St.Xavier in dog-fight games that both went 4th QT's and were basically 7 pts or less. No other team gave St.Xavier a dogfight game like Colerain did. Basically the Ohio D-1 State Title was played in the Regional Final (STX- 12, Colearin-9).;)

Outside of a very few games that year (2005) in Ohio. St.Xavier and Colerain kicked the :Censor: out of everyone they played against.

Maybe I have the exact number wrong. But, it aint off by much. Here is one few you forgot about:
SS-Jordan Delegal - North Carolina St.

Plus, DB-Alex Blucher and OL-Ed Ferguson both had D-1A offers but I guess never signed. Look it up on Rivals and Scouts.;)

Too bad some got hurt and ect. It still doesnt take away the fact that D-1A programs signed them. Even if they are D-1A backups or failed out of school.

2nd most talented team in Broward Co next to St.Thomas Aquanas. St.Thomas Aquanis will always probably be the most talented team in Broward Co. in regards to football. They are a big time PRIVATE SCHOOL with a wide open door policy for football players.;)

Dont spin me crap on how Hollywood Chaminade is some little bitty art school. While Coach Guandolo was there he built a powerful little Private School 2A program there in Fort Lauderdale. That's why he won the freaking 2005 State Title.;)

They may not of been on many National ranked list in 2005. But, they were considered the #1 Miami-Dade team in 2005 by most gurus. In late 2005 they were considered the regional power.

PREP NATION (Nov.28, 2005)
Southeast Region
1. Lakeland, Fla. ({ts '1999-12-13 00:00:00'}) (1)
2. Batesville, Miss., South Panola ({ts '1999-12-13 00:00:00'}) (2)
3. Snellville, Ga., Brookwood ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) (4)
4. Hoover, Ala. ({ts '2000-01-13 00:00:00'}) (6)
5. Valdosta, Ga., Lowndes ({ts '2000-01-13 00:00:00'}) (5)
6. Miami, Fla., Booker T. Washington ({ts '1999-12-10 00:00:00'}) (7)
7. Fort Lauderdale, Fla., St. Thomas Aquinas ({ts '1999-12-12 00:00:00'}) (8)
8. West Monroe, La. ({ts '2000-01-11 00:00:00'}) (9)
9. Warner Robins, Ga., Northside ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) (10)
10. Maryville, Tenn. ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) --

The only other Florida team ranked higher at the time (Nov.28,2005) was Lakeland.

And the two teams that played X after Colerain played them just as tough, both losing by one score.

So again. How can you say with such confidence that Colerain was the 2nd best team in Ohio that year?

How can you say that the state title game was X and Colerain when X barely beat Davidson and Massillon? Huh?

Colerain only played 2 good teams! Both were X.

All the teams Colerain played were Cincinnati/SW Ohio schools. They didn't play anybody outside their region.

X played 5 games that were within one score. That's 1/3 of their schedule. They could have easily lost a handful of games.

Colerain plays in a weaker public school league. They only play tough teams in the playoffs.

Jordan Delegal never enrolled at NC State and has never played a down of D1 college football.

Alex Blucher never signed D1. He enrolled at Mars Hill College (DII) and dropped out after 1 year.

Ed Ferguson walked on at FIU and ballooned to 375 pounds and is no longer on the football team.

You managed to misspell St. Thomas Aquinas twice in consecutive sentences.

Aquinas has an open door to any family who wants to send their kid to one of the best schools in the country. The talents of the student body isn't limited to athletics.

Chaminade is a small arts school. If you really lived 15 minutes from their campus you'd know that.

So they weren't nationally ranked. Just as I said.

And Aquinas was nationally ranked by USA Today. Which means at least one poll had another Florida team ahead of them.

[Canes0177]

Jordan Delegal- North Carolina St. Get your :Censor: right ok.;)

Plus, DB-Alex Blucher had a few offers from D-1A programs but never signed. Grades must of been a major issue in the end.

So basically they (Chaminade) had 5 kids patrolling the secondary that were all D-1A caliber kids. So much for the "NO TALENTED SCHOOL" your blabbing about.:rolleyes:

Again. Delegal never enrolled at NC State and never played major college football.

Blucher enrolled at Mars Hills College (DII) and later dropped out.

I never said they were a "no talented" school. That's another one of your made up stories.

[Canes0177]

Chaminade flew to Dallas, Tx the day before the game. Stayed the night in Dallas. They drove to Tyler,Tx the day of the game. So again get your facts right. Both Tyler Lee and Chaminade had to sit in the Rose Stadium field house for about a 90 minute rain/lightning delay before kickoff.;)

According to Prepnation in November 2005. The highest ranked Dade Co. team was Booker T. Washington. Please enlighten me of the Miami-Dade team that was ranked higher in Dade Co. in 2005.

PREP NATION (Nov.28, 2005)
Southeast Region1. Lakeland, Fla. ({ts '1999-12-13 00:00:00'}) (1)
2. Batesville, Miss., South Panola ({ts '1999-12-13 00:00:00'}) (2)
3. Snellville, Ga., Brookwood ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) (4)
4. Hoover, Ala. ({ts '2000-01-13 00:00:00'}) (6)
5. Valdosta, Ga., Lowndes ({ts '2000-01-13 00:00:00'}) (5)
6. Miami, Fla., Booker T. Washington ({ts '1999-12-10 00:00:00'}) (7) (Dade Co. team).
7. Fort Lauderdale, Fla., St. Thomas Aquinas ({ts '1999-12-12 00:00:00'}) (8)
8. West Monroe, La. ({ts '2000-01-11 00:00:00'}) (9)
9. Warner Robins, Ga., Northside ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) (10)
10. Maryville, Tenn. ({ts '1999-12-14 00:00:00'}) --

If it fits my story then it fits Prep-Nation story also.

You're using a national poll to determine who the best local teams were?

Washington didn't play any Dade schools. The only decent one they played (Edison) gave them hell twice.

Northwestern was a state semifinalist just like Washington. To say that one was clearly better than the other is ridiculous and silly.

[Canes0177]

Chaminade and Miami Washington Are Set for the Future

By Larry Blustein

Very seldom does a game live up to all of its hype at the high school level. But last Friday’s afternoon tilt between two of the best football teams in the state, Miami Booker T. Washington and Hollywood’s Chaminade-Madonna was quite entertaining.


Okay, so there were six key turnovers and well over 150 yards in penalties, but it was the kind of game that needed to sink in before making any rash comments. The 16-13 win by the defending 2A state champion Lions over a 4A Booker T. Washington team that has been in the mix the past four years showed how impressive these programs are.


The setting was quaint (less than 2,000 people) and the atmosphere perfect for a meeting like this. It was one of those games where you may never see as much D-1 talent competing on one field at the same time, and while those on hand for this epic meeting may have taken it for granted; this is what high school football in the Sunshine State is all about.



Maybe the reason that the Lions and Tornadoes had problems moving the ball and turned it over as much as they did had something to do with the athletes on both sides of the ball. Neither team may come up against a strong defense that they went up against in Hollywood last Friday. I’m sure they won’t. At least not this year.


While much of the attention was paid to Chaminade seniors Kamar Aiken, Emeka Nwanko, Xavier Stinson, Eain Smith and Akeem Auguste, there were some impressive underclassmen making plays for both teams.

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Cane, If Hollywood-Chaminde is this little "NO TALENTED" 2A team like you say. You better hurry up and tell Larry Blustein to take bake this artical he posted in the newspaper because he just raved on how good Hollywood-Chaminade was against a annual Miami-Dade power (Booker.T Washington) and how they (Chaminade) had some serious athletes.

Of coarse maybe you got it all right and we just got it all wrong about Chaminade..:rolleyes:;)

When did I say they didn't have any talent? When you use quotes you are supposed to actually quote somebody.

I said they aren't a school with an athletic student body. It's a small arts school in Hollywood that sucks in most team sports they offer.

Other than a few years under Guandolo they are nothing special. In fact they were one of the worst programs in Broward County for 20 years before Guandolo got there.

I know Larry Blustein personally. We'll have a nice laugh about this.

[Canes0177]

Chaminade opens as preseason No. 2

August 2, 2006
By Bob Emanuel Jr. Miami Herald.


Defending two-time Class 5A state champion Lakeland was named anointed the preseason No. 1 in the Varsity Sports Media Florida Football's Top 25 sponsored by Beef O'Brady's.
Chaminade-Madonna, the defending Class 2A champion was second.
Other Broward teams in the top 25 included: St. Thomas Aquinas (7), Hollywood Hills (15), Dillard (22) and Deerfield Beach (23).


1. Lakeland (5A); 2. Hollywood Chaminade-Madonna (2A); 3. Belle Glade Glades Central (3A); 4. Miami Northwestern (6A); 5. Seffner Armwood (4A); 6. Miami Booker T. Washington (4A); 7. Fort Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas (5A); 8. Pahokee (2B); 9. Orlando Edgewater (6A); 10. Miami Monsignor Pace (3A); 11. St. Augustine (3A); 12. Ocala Trinity Catholic (2B); 13. Citra North Marion (3A); 14. Madison County (2A); 15. Hollywood Hills (5A); 16. St. Augustine Nease (4A); 17. Bushnell South Sumter (2A); 18. Tallahassee Lincoln (4A); 19. Miami Edison (4A); 20. Jacksonville Bolles (2A); 21. Sarasota Booker (3A); 22. Fort Lauderdale Dillard (5A); 23. Deerfield Beach (6A); 24. Fort Myers (4A); 25. Apopka (6A).

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Wow Cane, for a team that you say sucks (Hollywood Chaminade). They sure did get a lot of Love in the Preseason 2006 Florida "STATE POLLS" didnt they ?

The Miami Herald and Mr. Emanuel thought enough of the suckie ole (Hollywood-Chaminade) team to give them the #2 State Preseason ranking.

That's overall #2 ranking in Florida regardless of Class size.:rolleyes:

I guess myself (Txfrog), Mr. Emanuel and a few others guys that I've quoted for you in the past few post are the real idiots in regards to how talented the 2004, 2005 and 2006 Hollywood-Chaminade teams were and you (Cane) got it all right.:rolleyes:;)

By the way, tell me Mr.Cane. Outside of St. Thomas Aquanis in Broward Co in 2005. Who was the 2nd most talented team (D-1A prospects) in the County ? I bet it was a little ole 2A Private school that goes by the name of Hollywood-Chaminade.:rolleyes:

One last thing before I hit the hey.. I'll also stand by my original point about the 2005 Tyler Lee vs Hollywood-Chaminade in regards to talent. The Hollywood-Chaminade team had more individual talent over Tyler Lee, Tx. That Hollywood-Chaminade team had about 10 kids (Seniors/Juniors) that were offered D-1A "ships" with what ? 8 kids that signed.

If I'm not mistaken Tyler Lee had 3 kids (Senior/Juniors) that signed D-1A. RB (Utep), OL (TCU) and WR (Tx Tech).

But I'll take Tyler Lee's tailback Jason Williams (UTEP) who set a school record with 259-yards rushing tonight, including four touchdowns, one of which went for 58-yards against Hollywood-Chaminade.

Good thing Lee played Chaminade in 2005 and not 2006.

When did I say Chaminade sucks? Again you are supposed to accurately quote somebody when you attempt to attack their position.

I think Chaminade finished outside the top 20 in 2006. Not that it matters because Lee played Chaminade in 2005.

I know Bob Emanuel very well. We'll laugh about this too.

[businesstron]

Has anyone in Texas 5A played Oklahoma standout "Jenks"-6A in recent memory?

Seems like they're getting a reputation that needs to be tested..
State Champions-79, 82, 93, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00, 01, 03, 06, and 07

http://www.jenkstrojanfootball.com/

State Championship game, Union vs. Jenks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ObZ_rLdFV4&feature=related

Looks like SLC isn't the only one with the "Platinum Blonde" tradition;
http://jenkstrojanfootball.com/2007_finals_union.html

Who do you think we could send up there to set a good Texas style "example" to tarnish all those championship rings?

Trinity, SLC, Katy, Plano, Lufkin, Permian, & Westfield are all teams i think could handle them. How bout someone a little further down the rankings? Let's say.. a #20 or #25 in the preseason polls?


Don't get Jenks wrong they are a pretty good team. I think if you put both schools in Texas they would go a couple of games into the playoffs each year. The only thing I don't like about em is that both schools attract the best athletes in the city of Tulsa. It wouldn't be an easy win for whatever Texas team went up there.... It might not even be an easy win....

[Canes0177]

I know of the 3 LB's and the RB. From what I hear they have a couple of OL kids and DB, DL that are D-1A caliber recruits also. We'll talk more about the recruits starting about November..

We'll talk more during the season because I'll be back in Sunrise Fl in about 2 weeks and I'll go check them (Cypress Bay) out in person and give you a detail scoop on whose who of Cypress Bay "OK.";) I live about 15 minutes from the freaking school.

Next, I'm aware of the new High school out on Hwy 27 (West Broward). I driven by it several times. My friend that I work with has a son that had the option of staying at Everglades High or transfering to West Broward.;)

I'm not even sure West Broward High is having a Varsity football season this year (2008) ? But, I'm also 100% that Coach Guadolo didnt let any of his football players (Seniors/Juniors) transfer there.:rolleyes:;)

Plus, Cypress Bay still have freaking almost 6,000 kids so I'm sure besides the several football transfers "cough cough" they have a large pool of kids to select from.

PS. I'm going to watch Katy vs North Shore this weekend and in 3 weeks I'll go check out Cypress Bay vs ??? in Broward Co.

You lived 15 minutes from Chaminade and you didn't have a clue about them. Why should I believe anything you say about Cypress Bay?

I know plenty about the teams in this county.

I talked to Bill Hobbs, who coached a Cypress Bay before Guandolo, a few months ago. He's now at Nova. I know how it works out there in Weston.

West Broward had about 80 kids come out for summer workouts. They had to come from somewhere.

Aquinas had a kid from Cypress Bay fill out an application to enroll because he was redistricted for West Broward.

So there are quite a few kids being moved around.

Actually at it's peak Cypress Bay had about 5,500 kids. This school year they will have about 4,500.

[Bobcat81]

Don't get Jenks wrong they are a pretty good team. I think if you put both schools in Texas they would go a couple of games into the playoffs each year. The only thing I don't like about em is that both schools attract the best athletes in the city of Tulsa. It wouldn't be an easy win for whatever Texas team went up there.... It might not even be an easy win....

I noticed they have quite a few underclassmen on their squad..

2007 Team
28 Seniors
25 Juniors
38 Soph's
2 Freshmn

Not sure what their enrollment numbers are but it definately shows how valuable the underclassmen experience early on contributes to an ongoing success.

Their 2006 State team was chock full of underclassmen as well with (71).
I've looked around at some of the other 6A programs in Oklahoma and the players don't seem to be near as big as the guys playing for Jenks. Moskogee (6A) for instance, most of the linemen for the Roughers average about 240 or less and are in the 6' to 6'-2" range.

[Vols4Ever]

Trotwood Madison is in real danger if their special teams' play in their week 1 loss does not significantly improve.

Arlington Bowie had one of the best special teams units in the state last year, with multiple long returns by now senior Trae Hawkins going for long yardage. (ask Cedar Hill)

Madison allowed a 90 yard return and two blocked punts for pts last week, against a team that is arguably not even in the same league as Bowie -- Columbus Marion-Franklin.

I say Bowie romps Madison, big time.

[steeler 01]

When LB Poly was a so called Top 5 National team a few years ago with like 16 D-1A seniors and half of them going to USC/UCLA. They played Bellvue,Wa and got the socks blown off of them by like 17 pts.

Blown out? Did you watch the game? The final was 30-16 and was 22-16 with 9 minutes left in the game. That Poly team made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, and was the worst Poly team since 94, and half of them didn't go to USC/UCLA. Your off by about 4 years.