Best Program to Never Win State

[Favpack]

Hands down I think the best program to never take the title is Abilene Cooper. They should have won it with Jack Mildren and co. in 1967, but lost on a fluke ending in the final to Austin Reagan. The '95 team got beat handily in the finals by the Drew Brees' Westlake team. The 1980 Cougars were perhaps one of the best teams I can recall - led by Terry Orr and John Slaughter. They got shocked in Round 1 by Lewisville. Oddly enough Permian went on to take it that year. Was that the first two team per district year or do I have my years mixed up?

Thoughts on other top teams to not take the title?

[Xfballphenome05]

lately its been smithson valley....hands down.

[RedRage00]

Not 5A, but CC Calallen

[03mustangwideout]

Id have to say as of lately westfield. No questions asked they are like north shore before winning state.

[odessapermian.com]

Hands down I think the best program to never take the title is Abilene Cooper. They should have won it with Jack Mildren and co. in 1967, but lost on a fluke ending in the final to Austin Reagan. The '95 team got beat handily in the finals by the Drew Brees' Westlake team. The 1980 Cougars were perhaps one of the best teams I can recall - led by Terry Orr and John Slaughter. They got shocked in Round 1 by Lewisville. Oddly enough Permian went on to take it that year. Was that the first two team per district year or do I have my years mixed up?

Thoughts on other top teams to not take the title?


The Terry Orr-led Cooper squad was in 1979. ;)

[dada]

Aldine-Eseinhower.

CC Calallen was a good one.

Houston Lamar

[Warbird]

'99 and '04 Abilene High Eagles. So close...

[PACK '97]

Nacogdoches Golden Dragons....LOL

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Nacogdoches Golden Dragons....LOL
If that happens i'll change my legal residence to Nac. :D

[odessapermian.com]

'99 and '04 Abilene High Eagles. So close...

Abilene High has 6 state titles in their history.

[KT2000]

Aldine Eisenhower for class 5A. Ike's been to the semis six times (at least), and one state championship game.

By far the best in Houston to have not won it.

[farmerfan]

I would say that Arlington Lamar is the best program to never win state, they have been to the semis on a number of occasions and got beat by a great Aldine team in the 1990 State title game. They also had many great seasons end at the hands of Permian in the late 70's as well as 88,89 and 91. The 89 and 91 teams were led by the great Sean Walters and Lamar was nationaly ranked in both games coming in with a 12-0 record. It will truly be a sad day if coach Eddie Peach were to retire without ever winning a state title.

[Big Daddy Cool]

Ike and Houston Lamar are two that come to mind. As well as The Woodlands as of late. You could also throw in Pearland and Clear lake.

[jtk1519]

Abilene Cooper and Arlington Lamar.

[dragonsdaddy]

removing the year 1938 from the calenders, longview would be a choice as would highland park if the 40's were erased.

[farmerfan]

The 79 cooper team came into that 1st round game ranked 1 in the state and was regarded as one of the best teams in the nation, Lewisville beat them 13-10 in a very evenly played football game, our run that year ended in the semis when we lost to Temple 3-0, we penetrated the Temple 20 3 times but had a missed FG and a bad snap, or we would have won that game on penetrations, Temple cruised to the state title the next week.

Also it was 96 when Cooper got beat by Westlake in the finals, I think Cooper is up there with Lamar and Eisenhower, I can remember twice when Cooper had a season end to Marcus, that was one great playoff rivalry from 95-97.
Other teams that come to mind would be:
North Mesquite
Denton High
Sherman
DeSoto
Euless Trinity

[CoppellCowboy57]

Arlington Lamar 2003 and 2002, best school hands down, woulda given SLC a run for there money, knocked us outta the play-offs two years in a row...even getting knocked outta the play-offs is better then not making the play-offs

[odessapermian.com]

Arlington Lamar gets my vote.

[jtk1519]

The 79 cooper team came into that 1st round game ranked 1 in the state and was regarded as one of the best teams in the nation, Lewisville beat them 13-10 in a very evenly played football game, our run that year ended in the semis when we lost to Temple 3-0, we penetrated the Temple 20 3 times but had a missed FG and a bad snap, or we would have won that game on penetrations, Temple cruised to the state title the next week.

Also it was 96 when Cooper got beat by Westlake in the finals, I think Cooper is up there with Lamar and Eisenhower, I can remember twice when Cooper had a season end to Marcus, that was one great playoff rivalry from 95-97.
Other teams that come to mind would be:
North Mesquite
Denton High
Sherman
DeSoto
Euless Trinity

That '79 Cooper team was awesome. My Mom was a senior at Cooper in '79 and she remembers watching them (as does my Dad who was a senior at Abilene High in '79). Terry Orr was just a monster. That Cooper team went unbeaten during the regular season scoring 374 points, but giving up just 44 points... ALL YEAR. :eek: That team posted 5 shutouts in 10 games and scored more than 50 points 3 times. Just unreal.

That '96 year was tough. It was my freshman year and we had a very good team. Obviously Dominic Rhodes at RB was something special. We ran into a damn good Westlake team in the finals. Obviously, Drew Breese was the QB for Westlake and he was awesome. We were actually tied with them at half and were playing very well, but turnovers killed us and Westlake pulled away in the second half.

We had an AWESOME playoff rivalry with Flower Mound Marcus for 3 years. From '95-'97, the winner of the Cooper/Marcus playoff game went on to play for the state championship. They whipped us good in '95. We returned the favor in '96. I thought we were going to take them down in '97. In many ways we had a better team than we did in '96. Lots of weapons on offense and we played pretty good D as well. Marcus came in with an awesome QB named Spencer Stack and a TB named Steven Ennis who just ripped us apart. Much like the '96 title game, tunovers killed us. Five agaisnt Marcus and good teams like that are going to punish you for turning the ball over.

I thought we had a good shot to win it all in 2000. Jordan Neal was our QB and 5A offensive player of the year. We were loaded that year, but we came up just a tad short against Arlington Lamar in the Q-finals. If we could have made it to the finals that year, we would have played Katy and what a game that would have been.

It is my opinion, that despite some good teams, Cooper has lacked the depth and defensive play the past few years that made us threats in the late '90s. I guess that's one of the reasons I get so excited about coach Secord being here. I see him returning this team to the team that coach Allen fielded in the '90s (coach Secord was the DC under coach Allen back then). Lots of emphasis on power, depth, offensive balance, defense, defense and defense. Hopefully we can get over that hill very soon.

[abilenefan]

Hey JTK,

I went to the Cooper Spring game for a while and thought they looked much improved. What impressed me most is the numbers. Do you know how many Cooper had out for Spring and what kind of numbers they expect from the Freshmen class? I believe that is the primary difference between Abilene High and Cooper. It appears that Secord is getting more to come out. It should only get better. I think Quiz ran off alot of young talent that could have developed for him.

[RedRage00]

Laredo United South....

I had to post it before Lonny :p

[cougardude]

Hands down I think the best program to never take the title is Abilene Cooper. They should have won it with Jack Mildren and co. in 1967, but lost on a fluke ending in the final to Austin Reagan. The '95 team got beat handily in the finals by the Drew Brees' Westlake team. The 1980 Cougars were perhaps one of the best teams I can recall - led by Terry Orr and John Slaughter. They got shocked in Round 1 by Lewisville. Oddly enough Permian went on to take it that year. Was that the first two team per district year or do I have my years mixed up?

Thoughts on other top teams to not take the title?

As someone else already corrected the Terry Orr-lead squad was in 1979 and the Cougars that lost to Drew Brees and Austin Westlake was the 1996 squad. ;) I still have hope that the Cougars can get a state title someday.

[eagleike]

Has Longview won the state title? I would place them up at the top of the infamous list........................except for you know who :mad:

Ike just always seemed to run into the little rocket that could........... :eek:

[eagleike]

Oooops...........missed d-daddy's post on Longview............but to remember 1938? Dragonsdaddy you ain't that old are you?

[jtk1519]

Hey JTK,

I went to the Cooper Spring game for a while and thought they looked much improved. What impressed me most is the numbers. Do you know how many Cooper had out for Spring and what kind of numbers they expect from the Freshmen class? I believe that is the primary difference between Abilene High and Cooper. It appears that Secord is getting more to come out. It should only get better. I think Quiz ran off alot of young talent that could have developed for him.

While I dont have any Spring numbers, I have been told that participation is up. We had around 100 freshmen out last year and I have been told we could have between 100-120 this year. Secord has really been working with the middle school coaches and kids to get them fired up and encouraged. It looks like our varsity could be much bigger. We had almost 80 kids listed on the Spring varsity roster. It remains to be seen if all those kids will remain on varsity or whether some will be assigned to JV, but Cooper hasnt had a varsity will really more than 60 kids in a long while.

Those numbers should help with depth. Quiz was not a big depth guy at all. We had small numbers and two way players, not because we had to, but because he wanted to. That is usually the reason we were so banged up going into the playoffs and could never make a good run. You'll notice that Midland Lee is planning on using a few two way players this year as they did last year under Quiz, and that despite Lee's much higher enrollment and participation numbers. Just look at the rosters. Unders Quiz we had about 50-60 kids on varsity. Of those, about 20-30 or so saw all the playing time. The remaining either never left the bench or saw very limited time mop up time or maybe on special teams. Secord is very different. Last year we had about 60 kids on the varisity roster and as best I can tell, every single one of them saw playing time (and not just mop up or SP team duty). He likes to rotate a lot of players in and out to keep the kids fresh. He said when he first took over that he wants a solid three deep rotation with no two way players. I think that can only help us when it comes to making any kind of a playoff run.

[Red Raiders]

What about Lufkin, how many state champs did they win and lose?

[Warbird]

I think Lufkin may have won one back in the 40's, but I might be wrong...


OP.com, I meant more recently than that! :)

[jtk1519]

Lufkin won it in 2001 with Reggie McNeal.

[Rerun]

SCHERTZCLEMENS

[farmerfan]

We had an AWESOME playoff rivalry with Flower Mound Marcus for 3 years. From '95-'97, the winner of the Cooper/Marcus playoff game went on to play for the state championship. They whipped us good in '95. We returned the favor in '96. I thought we were going to take them down in '97. In many ways we had a better team than we did in '96. Lots of weapons on offense and we played pretty good D as well. Marcus came in with an awesome QB named Spencer Stack and a TB named Steven Ennis who just ripped us apart. Much like the '96 title game, tunovers killed us. Five agaisnt Marcus and good teams like that are going to punish you for turning the ball over.


The name Spencer Stack means a lot to me, he was two years older than I was, and I can remember watching him in little league baseball. He was always a favorite around the Flowerplex area, he grew up in a single family household and his mom was a great lady. Stack got a lot of playing time in 96 due to a injury to Michael Odum, Odum was probably the best pure passer to ever walk the halls of Marcus HS, but went down with a injury late in teh regular season in 96. Spencer had a lot of talent around him that year, with Ennis at RB and Ryan Smith at WR, the defense was loaded as well with the monster David Ellen at LB, Larry Scimbrhi at LB, Lucas Prater at FS, and so on, as good as that Marcus team was, the best team they ever had at that school was the 95 team, as jtk as eluded to, they threw all over everyone they played up until the state title game against Roosevelt, that team was loaded with Chris Sanders at QB, Miles Coon at TE, Billy Miller and Aaron Wright at WR, Stephen Ennis as a sophmore RB, and the list could go on. Cooper and Marcus became one of the premier matchups in Texas during the 90's. Hopefully for the sake of the good people out in Abilene, Secord can bring the Cougars that long awaited state title, cause God knows they deserve one.

[dragonsdaddy]

no ike but i've heard about things like ww ii and the stock market crash too.

[Firebird]

Pretty Good Posts

A. Lamar, Abilene Cooper, and recently Smithson Valley really stick out in my mind. The selection of CC Calallen in 4a also jumps out at me.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Coppell is a program thats always sucked and has never even come close to winning state...except once...stupid Coppell...*looks around* did i say that...wow...bitterness

[TheDuke]

THE WOODLANDS

[dragonsdaddy]

duke, how long has the woodlands been in existence?

[RedRage00]

SCHERTZCLEMENS


PUHLEEZE!!!! lol :p

[jrdaniel]

I'd have to say Ike is the top team that hasn't won it all. They have had some powerful running attacks that just were victims of bad timing. The Eagles ran into eventual state champ Judson in 92, 93, and 95 and the state finalist Rockets in 98. I think the '93 semifinal is still one of the best games I have ever seen. No doubt Ike would have torn apart Trinity in '92 just as Judson did, beat Plano in '93, and would have had a chance to win against both Permian in '95 and Duncanville in '98.

If it wasn't for Judson, Ike might have been the team of the 90's.

[eagleike]

Ike team of the 90's?

I appreciate the thought............but that is like saying if it wasn't for the Steelers the Oilers would have been the team of the 70's!!

[dada]

duke, how long has the woodlands been in existence?

Woodlands been around for a while. Used to be Conroe McCullough...changed there name sometimes in the 90's I think. Jarrett Irons and Kevin Berine come to mind when I think of McCullough.

[Rerun]

PUHLEEZE!!!! lol :p


You know what, you and L2K meet me somewhere. we will settle this once and for all ;)

[jrdaniel]

but that is like saying if it wasn't for the Steelers the Oilers would have been the team of the 70's!!

I know, i know...and if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its butt when it hopped.

Just giving Ike some props, they were probably the second best team in '92 and '93, and maybe even '95 and '98.

[Favpack]

Sorry for the screw-up on the years for Cooper. I graduated from AHS in '79 - but my brain failed to remember football is played in the fall PRIOR to the spring graduation - duh.

As great as that Cooper team was in '79 - Permian still played 'em tough. I think the final was, what - 17-3?

[Shoot2thrill]

Sorry for the screw-up on the years for Cooper. I graduated from AHS in '79 - but my brain failed to remember football is played in the fall PRIOR to the spring graduation - duh.

As great as that Cooper team was in '79 - Permian still played 'em tough. I think the final was, what - 17-3?

Good memory favpack..score was 14-3 though. :cool:

[eagleike]

We had some tremendous battles during the 90's. I love to pick on the rocket fans, but the respect level for a great program is definitely there.

I was actually disappointed when judson was missing when Ike won the semis.

I think we both would love to see a re-match in the near future.

[jrdaniel]

I would take a rematch with Ike any year, that means we are both in the semi's. We haven't played in a while and both have different coaches since last time, although Judson's philosophy hasn't changed much. Good times, and although we were on the good end of the score, believe me Judson has a boatload of respect for the Eagles.

I can still remember the shock I felt sitting in the astrodome after Jerod fumbled on Judson's first play and having Ike take the 13-0 lead right off the bat. It is a wonder we made it 27all at the end. Too bad the OT rules weren't around back then, trading blows inside the 25 would have been even more exciting than trying to stop you guys from getting inside the 20 for that last penetration.

[svhorns]

Best Program not to win a state title is Smithson Valley Losing to Denton Ryan in overtime in 2001, Losing to SLC in 2002, and losing to SLC in 2004. The best team never to win state I have no clue.

[farmerfan]

Smithson Valley can not compete with the likes of a Ike, Cooper or Arlington Lamar, those teams have been close for years, in the case of Lamar and Cooper it spans 4 decades now, 70's,80's,90's and 00's. Smithson Valley has been great the last 4 years, but they do not have the overall success of the three listed above.
Jr- when you say Ike being the 2nd best team those years, do you mean in the state or just in D1?

[jrdaniel]

Probably just D1. I was a little younger then so I didn't worry too much about the other bracket. There wasn't this internet thingy around to follow the D2 bracket teams either. I know based on results during the seasons, you could say '92 and '95 that Judson was still only 2nd in the state. Of course the 4th and 6th games of the season isn't when your team is supposed to peak, so I'll still claim those titles. ;)

[jtk1519]

The name Spencer Stack means a lot to me, he was two years older than I was, and I can remember watching him in little league baseball. He was always a favorite around the Flowerplex area, he grew up in a single family household and his mom was a great lady. Stack got a lot of playing time in 96 due to a injury to Michael Odum, Odum was probably the best pure passer to ever walk the halls of Marcus HS, but went down with a injury late in teh regular season in 96. Spencer had a lot of talent around him that year, with Ennis at RB and Ryan Smith at WR, the defense was loaded as well with the monster David Ellen at LB, Larry Scimbrhi at LB, Lucas Prater at FS, and so on, as good as that Marcus team was, the best team they ever had at that school was the 95 team, as jtk as eluded to, they threw all over everyone they played up until the state title game against Roosevelt, that team was loaded with Chris Sanders at QB, Miles Coon at TE, Billy Miller and Aaron Wright at WR, Stephen Ennis as a sophmore RB, and the list could go on. Cooper and Marcus became one of the premier matchups in Texas during the 90's. Hopefully for the sake of the good people out in Abilene, Secord can bring the Cougars that long awaited state title, cause God knows they deserve one.

I would love to see Marcus get back to their old ways. I dont know what happened to them, but somehow, the playoffs just dont seem the same without the Marauders. There are a couple teams out there like SLC, Arlington Lamar, Austin Westlake, etc. that I feel Cooper owes a little "playoff payback", but none I want to see more than Marcus.

[Big Daddy Cool]

duke, how long has the woodlands been in existence?


If I'm not mistaken Wooldands has only been around since i believe 2000. Though it was formally know as Conroe McCullough befor ethe change.

[JC73]

Smithson Valley can not compete with the likes of a Ike, Cooper or Arlington Lamar, those teams have been close for years, in the case of Lamar and Cooper it spans 4 decades now, 70's,80's,90's and 00's. Smithson Valley has been great the last 4 years, but they do not have the overall success of the three listed above.
Jr- when you say Ike being the 2nd best team those years, do you mean in the state or just in D1?

Just remember they have only been 5a for the last 3 years, they have kicking butt in 4a since 98(lost to Lamarque in semis.) I agree with your point that they have not been around long enough in 5a to fall into this category though.

[farmerfan]

The thing that happend to Marcus is the same thing that happend to Lewisville, the opeining of FMHS, took away alot of talent from Marcus, also what it did was divide the junior high programs up, wher Marcus and Lewisville used to have 3 feeder schools each, it had now been dived into one per each HS with the talent from 3 others going to 3 different High Schools. Also the boosters ran Que Brittain out because of his no nonsene mentality, I blame it on a certain QB and his parents during the 99 football season, no names will be mentioned, but when their son was benched, Que was in essance gone, along with Que being gone let a lot of his staff gone.

Trust me as much as I know you want a shot at Marcus, I would love to see Marcus and Cooper that deep in the playoffs again, but I also want it back to the LISD dominance that we once enjoyed, I will go along and say, from 1993-1997 their was not a school district in the state that dominated like the LISD did and I would go along to say that their still has not been one since to produce the teams that we did. Maybe one day soon both the Maruaders and Farmers will be back in the hunt where they belong, plus I love the Marcus fight song it still remains my favorite and when I hear it, I cant help but think of dominant teams playing late into December.

[jtk1519]

The thing that happend to Marcus is the same thing that happend to Lewisville, the opeining of FMHS, took away alot of talent from Marcus, also what it did was divide the junior high programs up, wher Marcus and Lewisville used to have 3 feeder schools each, it had now been dived into one per each HS with the talent from 3 others going to 3 different High Schools. Also the boosters ran Que Brittain out because of his no nonsene mentality, I blame it on a certain QB and his parents during the 99 football season, no names will be mentioned, but when their son was benched, Que was in essance gone, along with Que being gone let a lot of his staff gone.

Trust me as much as I know you want a shot at Marcus, I would love to see Marcus and Cooper that deep in the playoffs again, but I also want it back to the LISD dominance that we once enjoyed, I will go along and say, from 1993-1997 their was not a school district in the state that dominated like the LISD did and I would go along to say that their still has not been one since to produce the teams that we did. Maybe one day soon both the Maruaders and Farmers will be back in the hunt where they belong, plus I love the Marcus fight song it still remains my favorite and when I hear it, I cant help but think of dominant teams playing late into December.

I dont know if there has ever been one school district dominate quite the way the LISD did. We have been very fortunate in Abilene to have two very good programs at the same time for several years now, but they dont match what Marcus and LHS did.

[stevefoxsc]

Belton dude every one was scared when they had big bad ramounce taylor aka the guy who droped a punt return at the rose bowl and put michigan in the lead... I honestly have to say smithson valley they can get to state finals and they can give those teams in final's some runs like whoa but just don't pull it off

[wide-e-wide]

who said anything about Belton?
And watch Taylor go off with the Longhorns this year.

[Texas Hammer]

Aldine Eisenhower for class 5A. Ike's been to the semis six times (at least), and one state championship game.

By far the best in Houston to have not won it.
I wonder why Ike could never win a title! ;)

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I wonder why Ike could never win a title! ;)
they came close once. Then Cedric Benson pulled their card in Austin. :eek:

[eagleike]

Same reason PAM will never win the title:

Lack of imagination on offense.
No real discipline.

Great athletic talent but missing some of the intangibles it takes to win it all. It looks like Ike has turned the corner on both of these fronts so maybe PAM can do the same some day.

[stevefoxsc]

who said anything about Belton?
And watch Taylor go off with the Longhorns this year.
it was a joke yeah taylor will go off like belton did this year 0-10

[Texas Hammer]

Probably just D1. I was a little younger then so I didn't worry too much about the other bracket. There wasn't this internet thingy around to follow the D2 bracket teams either. I know based on results during the seasons, you could say '92 and '95 that Judson was still only 2nd in the state. Of course the 4th and 6th games of the season isn't when your team is supposed to peak, so I'll still claim those titles. ;)
Judson doesn't need to be ashamed of any titles. They conceivably would've beaten Temple or Roosevelt in a re-match and it's not their fault they were put in D1 when they changed the playoff rules. There's nothing wrong with 7 title games in the last 15 years. The 4 titles since 1990 seem about right, too. Judson is pretty much a title team 25% of the time and a great team half the time.

[Texas Hammer]

they came close once. Then Cedric Benson pulled their card in Austin. :eek:
I was referring to the 4 times Judson beat them in the semifinals. It was funny that they didn't win the one time they did get to the title game.

[farmerfan]

Judson doesn't need to be ashamed of any titles. They conceivably would've beaten Temple or Roosevelt in a re-match and it's not their fault they were put in D1 when they changed the playoff rules. There's nothing wrong with 7 title games in the last 15 years. The 4 titles since 1990 seem about right, too. Judson is pretty much a title team 25% of the time and a great team half the time.

There goes ol Lonny running his mouth again, their is no possible way Judson would have beat Temple in a rematch in 92, heck Judson would not have beat FM Marcus in 95 the runner up in D2.

[jrdaniel]

farmerfan, we normally agree, but in '92 the Temple/Judson rematch would have been pretty good. Anyone around these parts can tell you the Judson team you see in pre-district is NOWHERE near the team you see at the end of the playoffs. Too bad it will always be a ? but in my mind the Judson playoff teams of '92 and '93 couldn't be stopped by any team.

[Rerun]

There goes ol Lonny running his mouth again, their is no possible way Judson would have beat Temple in a rematch in 92, heck Judson would not have beat FM Marcus in 95 the runner up in D2.

Correct. Roosevelt was the team to beat that year and they disposed of FM 17-10 I think it was. And then that dude from Roosevelt went over to the FM side of the stadium and tore up one of their boosterclub posters while it was on tv. very hilarious.

[TexasRed6x]

I would have to say Clemens here, the problem for them they always had SA teams knocking them out. I also recal their own coach doing a pretty good job of that by himself when they played Katy in 2003. It was right before halftime and he made plenty of mistakes might have cost them the game. Ifthey could of scored, might have turned it around, but the better team won that year.

[Rerun]

I would have to say Clemens here, the problem for them they always had SA teams knocking them out. I also recal their own coach doing a pretty good job of that by himself when they played Katy in 2003. It was right before halftime and he made plenty of mistakes might have cost them the game. Ifthey could of scored, might have turned it around, but the better team won that year.

Agreed bro.

[farmerfan]

Roosevelt was the team to stop Marcus, this is by no means any excuse, but that game was lost in the weather conditions, if anyone remembers it was stiff wind that day and that took a lot away from the Marcus passing game, also a few droped passes by the Marcus recievers led to that loss, however Roosevelt is to be credited with that win, their pass rush that game was amazing and they were able to get to Sanders and put some confusion on him. I think Que never should have flipped for a home and home, he did and in essence he had to play on the Roughriders home field, Alamo Stadium. Ask anyone who remembers anything about that Marcus team and they will tell you it was one of the greatest offenses to ever play in 5A football.

Jr we usually do agree on a lot, but in 92 Temple destroyed a lot of teams as well in the playoffs, that team was special with Delarius Wilson and Gerald Watson in the backfield, they both ran for over 1300 yards and I believe they were close to having another 1000 yard rusher. If I remember correctly Temple beat Judson pretty soundly in 92 and Judson returned the favor in 93. I also disagree with the statement on the 93 Rockets, they were a great team, but Lewisville was every bit as good in 93 as Judson was, we went 15 games before allowing a back to rush for a 100 on us and we played some pretty good backs that year, Derrick Peoples from Denton, Mike Rose from Cooper, Wilson and Watson from Temple, Courtnye Turner from Lee, the only backs to go over a 100 on us that year was Odel James and Delbert Garner from Aldine MacArthur. I think Permian would have had a thing to say in 93 as well, they were division 1 that year and never should have been disqualified from the playoffs, led by John Williams and company the 93 Panthers were loaded and the only blemish on the record that year was a tie to Lee. Permian would have given Judson a much better game than Plano did in 1993. Lewisville also had the team in 93 to beat Judson.

[jrdaniel]

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then. In '92 we drew Trinity - wish it would have been another team. That year we lost only to Temple 37-21. They did do a pretty good job limiting Douglas that game, probably the only team to hold him down. In '93 the Rockets record was only marred by 2 ties, one to Marshall in the 2nd game of the year and the other to Ike in the semis. Other than those 2 games we dominated every other team by an average of 42-6.

[SeguinMatadors]

I think it has to be SV.... lol

[CKE]

I think it has to be SV.... lol

Sv has only been in 5a 4 years. give us 20 more in 5a and then we will see

[mad_fan]

Sv has only been in 5a 4 years. give us 20 more in 5a and then we will see


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[CKE]

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[seguin] o ya you guys suck...
[cke] ya you aint the best.............................................. .......
[sequin] ya what cke said..............
[mad] i never said we were the best anything.
[seguin] yadayadayada...................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................., but next year (20 years later)...sequin's goin to State............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .......................................

lol that was shot taken at me that I didnt deserve but it was funny

[NHSBulldogFan]

SA Holmes

[da hawaiian]

I would say that Arlington Lamar is the best program to never win state, they have been to the semis on a number of occasions and got beat by a great Aldine team in the 1990 State title game. They also had many great seasons end at the hands of Permian in the late 70's as well as 88,89 and 91. The 89 and 91 teams were led by the great Sean Walters and Lamar was nationaly ranked in both games coming in with a 12-0 record. It will truly be a sad day if coach Eddie Peach were to retire without ever winning a state title.

I concur...Arlington Lamar

[LoneRocket]

IKE, Madison and Corpus Carrol.

[lonny23]

Hands down I think the best program to never take the title is Abilene Cooper. They should have won it with Jack Mildren and co. in 1967, but lost on a fluke ending in the final to Austin Reagan. The '95 team got beat handily in the finals by the Drew Brees' Westlake team. The 1980 Cougars were perhaps one of the best teams I can recall - led by Terry Orr and John Slaughter. They got shocked in Round 1 by Lewisville. Oddly enough Permian went on to take it that year. Was that the first two team per district year or do I have my years mixed up?

Thoughts on other top teams to not take the title?
1982 is when they went to 2 playoff teams.

[PESHpanther]

plano east.....:(

[78 Spartan]

Conroe had some great teams in the 70s but always seemed to run up against John Tyler or Temple in the playoffs.

[SVite]

Just remember they have only been 5a for the last 3 years, they have kicking butt in 4a since 98(lost to Lamarque in semis.) I agree with your point that they have not been around long enough in 5a to fall into this category though.

Good deal! we dont want in this category....;)