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aclb
11-05-2005, 03:37 PM
SA Reagan was playing for their schools first ever playoff bid and only 2000 fans bothered to show up. Reagan has the largest attendance (2800) in 265A and the largest income base. Judson stadium is only a 10 minute drive from the Reagan area. In fact, Judson stadium is probably an easier drive than BAC. Plus it was even a Friday night game vs the most traditional powerhouse team in San Antonio football history.

So for a school for this size and income to only pull in 2000 fans for this big game was pathetic. Someone earlier said the Reagan community was too busy with their own lives to support their community. This appears to be correct.

I'm glad Reagan did not make the playoffs. It would be embarassing for a half filled stadium watching a 265A playoff game. Give me the Madisons, Smithson Valleys and Judson communities to represent 265A in the playoffs. At least they are a lot less self centered to care about their community.

Haysrebels#1
11-05-2005, 03:38 PM
Amen Brother

badger95
11-05-2005, 04:46 PM
Where do you suppose all these fans should come from? They've only been a school for like 4 years. All of their alumni are still in college, the people of the community whose kids are not in school don't have any loyalty to them. Their loyalty still sits with the schools that their kids went to. It takes a while for a school to gather a fan base.

mad_fan
11-05-2005, 04:54 PM
Where do you suppose all these fans should come from? They've only been a school for like 4 years. All of their alumni are still in college, the people of the community whose kids are not in school don't have any loyalty to them. Their loyalty still sits with the schools that their kids went to. It takes a while for a school to gather a fan base.

Good response...when I saw this thread I thought, What's the purpose? Nothing good. This is just the kind of nasty ***** that is delete on some boards. Just a Madison guys opinion.

dragons08
11-06-2005, 12:20 AM
what does having being rich have to do with poor attendance?? plus like badger said, no alumni and the loyalty stuff yet

BandidoNB
11-06-2005, 02:00 AM
Considering the school has only been around for a few years I would say that Reagan has a great attendance if they bought out 2000 fans. Think about it. A school like Judson has decades of alumni who should pledge loyalty to the school. Plus all the family members who were directly associated with these alumni. Lets say that Judson had a graduating class of 600 every year since its inception (I know its probably more but just to be conservative). Multiply that by 30 years and thats 18000 alumni. Now lets add the schools current enrollment and thats 21000 potential fans to Judson. If Judson brings out about 6000 fans to a game that is 28.6% of its potential fan base attending a game. Now Reagan has probably had about 5 graduating class of (guestimating here) about 700 which would be about 3500 alumni. Now lets add Reagans current enrollment and we have 6500 potential fans. So if Reagan bought out 2000 fans to the game, then that's 30.8% of their potential fan base going to the game.

Judson 28.6% of potential fan base attending game
Reagan 30.8% of potential fan base attending game

Keep in mind that these are very rough estimates, but mainly to prove a point that Reagan isnt really doing so bad as far as "poor attendance" goes.

CLFalcon2006
11-06-2005, 02:04 AM
Good job on the math

BandidoNB
11-06-2005, 02:05 AM
Thank you! I am officially a nerd now. :eek:

aclb
11-06-2005, 08:14 AM
Great statistics; But they do not pertain to this case. First off, I attended most of Reagans games for their first 3 years and they packed the stands, with no alumni.

The facts are that Reagan had a great year. They had a chance to make the playoffs for the first time in arguably the toughest district in the state and they only filled half the stadium.

The Reagan attendance area is the fastest growing area in San Antonio. Both feeding middle schools have over 1400 kids in each. It's about the community, not alumni. Hell, I attended Mac and Reagan games for the last few years and I'm not an alumni, but I live in their communities.

At last nights Madison/ Mac game, in which nothing was at stake, there were over 8000 fans there. And no, not all of them were alumni. The Lanier/Fox Tech game had 20,000 fans last night, and I bet not all of them were alumni.

The alumni excuse just does'nt fare well. I'm sure the 5000 fans that pack the Judson stands each week are not all alumni; They just have kids in the school system and support their community. I know for a fact that many parents with middle school students attend the MacArthur games, because their kids will eventually go there, and they are not all alumni.

Anyways, no voodoo mathmatics can give an excuse for only having 2000 fans show up for such a big game. Every high school and middle school parent knew of the game, but choose not to drive 10 minutes to watch. As a player, I know having 5000 fans cheering you on makes a difference. I guess thats why Reagan will be "in the stands" this week watching the playoffs. Maybe they can help fill the stands with the Judson "alumni" and community fans when they play Seguin.

dragons08
11-06-2005, 10:53 AM
Thank you! I am officially a nerd now. :eek:
just having the word band in your user name made you a nerd!! :p

Lb45
11-06-2005, 02:29 PM
Look fellas for reagan to pull 2000 fans to a game is good to me...... considering it has only been open for 4 yrs or w/e..how long have the other school been open 10yrs +! We had a damn good season and we would pull more ppl to the games if we had acouple of seasons like this one! We broke the ice and im glad now we have opened the door to reagan! For us to lose to judson like we did was pathetic i agree to that but myabe it was the pressure considering it was the biggest game Reagan had EVER been in but what can you do, the defense played awsome considering a few lil mistakes at the end of the game (where it counted) but the 4 turnovers didnt help either. Im tired of people talking down to us, maybe you should stoip hyping up those chargers every year and give us some respect now.....oo and congrats to SV, Mad, and Judson goodluck fellas represent 26-5a

lonny23
11-06-2005, 02:39 PM
Great statistics; But they do not pertain to this case. First off, I attended most of Reagans games for their first 3 years and they packed the stands, with no alumni.

The facts are that Reagan had a great year. They had a chance to make the playoffs for the first time in arguably the toughest district in the state and they only filled half the stadium.

The Reagan attendance area is the fastest growing area in San Antonio. Both feeding middle schools have over 1400 kids in each. It's about the community, not alumni. Hell, I attended Mac and Reagan games for the last few years and I'm not an alumni, but I live in their communities.

At last nights Madison/ Mac game, in which nothing was at stake, there were over 8000 fans there. And no, not all of them were alumni. The Lanier/Fox Tech game had 20,000 fans last night, and I bet not all of them were alumni.

The alumni excuse just does'nt fare well. I'm sure the 5000 fans that pack the Judson stands each week are not all alumni; They just have kids in the school system and support their community. I know for a fact that many parents with middle school students attend the MacArthur games, because their kids will eventually go there, and they are not all alumni.

Anyways, no voodoo mathmatics can give an excuse for only having 2000 fans show up for such a big game. Every high school and middle school parent knew of the game, but choose not to drive 10 minutes to watch. As a player, I know having 5000 fans cheering you on makes a difference. I guess thats why Reagan will be "in the stands" this week watching the playoffs. Maybe they can help fill the stands with the Judson "alumni" and community fans when they play Seguin.
Yeah, I'm one of the non-alumni that goes to Judson games. I say you support the team in your community. The people you live next to have kids in that school even if you don't. I would never think of living someplace and not supporting a local team. I move a lot and have a favorite team in every town I've lived in.

rancher52
11-06-2005, 02:47 PM
Yeah, I'm one of the non-alumni that goes to Judson games. I say you support the team in your community. The people you live next to have kids in that school even if you don't. I would never think of living someplace and not supporting a local team. I move a lot and have a favorite team in every town I've lived in.

I could not agree with you more and I applaud you for your actions. I have lived in 4 different states and I, like you, always try to support the community including the schools. My kids are long since grown and on their own but I still try to make as many local hsf games as I can. My 40 years of following the local team has given me the opportunity to meet many of my neighbors (including the kids) that I otherwise would never have met.

RedRage00
11-06-2005, 04:31 PM
Why all the hate against Reagan? I think it has more to do with the fact that the Reagan people have money than whether they attended the game in Judson.

The same could be said for Judson fans. Several weeks ago when they lost to Churchill and then came to Comalander to play Madison they didn't have very many fans show up to Comalander. Even I was suprised at the lack of Judson support. The Judson fans had pretty much BURIED their team here on this site and had given up.

Now Judson is in the playoffs and all the Judson fans wanna jump back on the bandwagon. How pathetic is that? Look at yourself in the mirror before you wanna rag on another team.

I have gone to Reagan games and the Reagan fans are some of the nicest people you can meet. Reagan always fills the stands at Comalander.

DiamondJ2
11-06-2005, 05:03 PM
No doubt they are great people, but lack of support is interesting. O'Connor had a ton of fans at their games and they have been in existence for how long? Basically, it was disappointing that Reagan didn't show more support for such an important game in their school's history. It would ahve been a great start to a tradition and very helpful to a certain extent to their playeers. Eventually, they may pack the stadium like Judson, Clemens or like Lee, Churchill, Mac used to. Things have changed over the years, all those channels on TV now, good programs at the Majestic, movies, etc.

RedRage00
11-06-2005, 05:07 PM
Poor Lee

Rerun
11-06-2005, 05:09 PM
Did it ever cross anyone's mind that the people that did not or do not have kids at Reagan could give a crap about the school's athletic programs.

Just because you live somewhere does not make you required to support that HIGH school's programs.

I live in Shavano Park.

SA Clark is right down the road from me.

I could give a crap what they do in football-all athletics.

RedRage00
11-06-2005, 05:12 PM
Did it ever cross anyone's mind that the people that did not or do not have kids at Reagan could give a crap about the school's athletic programs.

Just because you live somewhere does not make you required to support that HIGH school's programs.

I live in Shavano Park.

SA Clark is right down the road from me.

I could give a crap what they do in football-all athletics.

LOL so true

I have a friend that lives in the Reagan area, but he doesn't go to any of their events. His kids are not even in HS yet....they are barely in elementary so he could care less what happens at the HS level right now. Plus, by the time his kids get to HS there will probably be another HS in that area that his kids could go to.

Rerun
11-06-2005, 05:20 PM
LOL so true

I have a friend that lives in the Reagan area, but he doesn't go to any of their events. His kids are not even in HS yet....they are barely in elementary so he could care less what happens at the HS level right now. Plus, by the time his kids get to HS there will probably be another HS in that area that his kids could go to.

There are places all over town that I know people that do not care at all about what their local high school is doing.

San Antonio is not a small, one horse town.

San Antonio has 1.9 million people in the metro and between people working, going to school, and going out with friends and family(LIVING THEIR LIVES) they may not see it necessary to go see a football game when they don't have any immidiate connection with it(like a kid playing)

Not everyone lives their life at the local football stadium on Friday nights.

Rerun
11-06-2005, 05:21 PM
I am glad me and RR are on the same page.

RedRage00
11-06-2005, 05:35 PM
I am glad me and RR are on the same page.


Well, I live near Churchill, but you don't see me abandoning my hometown team to jump on the Churchill wagon.

BandidoNB
11-06-2005, 05:57 PM
just having the word band in your user name made you a nerd!! :p

Actually "bandido" means bandit in spanish.


Anyways, as far as my statistics post goes, I did not mean to imply that only alumni would attend football games. I was just trying to make a point that when a school is only a few years old, not many people will feel inclined to pledge loyalty to the school. Sure many people live in the Reagan area, but lets remember that five years ago, that attendance zone and its people were CHURCHILL area. How do we know that these poeple in the "Reagan area" still have their hearts set on the Churchill Chargers and are attending their games instead?

aclb
11-06-2005, 06:02 PM
Well I guess this thread has come full circle to the original premise that the Reagan community does not give a crap about their football program.

Glad I don't have kids that go to school there. Anyways, can't wait to be one of the 10,000 people who give a crap at Judson Stadium to see the Madison vs Clemens game. (not an alumni of either)

RedRage00
11-06-2005, 07:03 PM
Well I guess this thread has come full circle to the original premise that the Reagan community does not give a crap about their football program.

Glad I don't have kids that go to school there. Anyways, can't wait to be one of the 10,000 people who give a crap at Judson Stadium to see the Madison vs Clemens game. (not an alumni of either)

You should wish your kids could go to Reagan. That school excels at academics. And they do pretty good at all sports as well.

Stop being bitter. Stop worrying about the Reagan community and worry about your own community...which is????

Clemens and Madison have been around forever. So I would hope they have 10,000 fans this week!

RR

mad_fan
11-06-2005, 07:11 PM
Well I guess this thread has come full circle to the original premise that the Reagan community does not give a crap about their football program.

Glad I don't have kids that go to school there. Anyways, can't wait to be one of the 10,000 people who give a crap at Judson Stadium to see the Madison vs Clemens game. (not an alumni of either)

yes, it's still a pathetic thread...

Slim-Rob
11-06-2005, 07:35 PM
SA Reagan was playing for their schools first ever playoff bid and only 2000 fans bothered to show up. Reagan has the largest attendance (2800) in 265A and the largest income base. Judson stadium is only a 10 minute drive from the Reagan area. In fact, Judson stadium is probably an easier drive than BAC. Plus it was even a Friday night game vs the most traditional powerhouse team in San Antonio football history.

So for a school for this size and income to only pull in 2000 fans for this big game was pathetic. Someone earlier said the Reagan community was too busy with their own lives to support their community. This appears to be correct.

I'm glad Reagan did not make the playoffs. It would be embarassing for a half filled stadium watching a 265A playoff game. Give me the Madisons, Smithson Valleys and Judson communities to represent 265A in the playoffs. At least they are a lot less self centered to care about their community.

If their attendance is only at 2800 there is no way they have more than Converse Judson.

Reaganrattler07
11-09-2005, 10:13 AM
I saw this thread and couldn't help but laugh. aclb is the pathetic one. He claims it's a ten minute drive? I live minutes away from Reagan. And it took me much longer to get to Judson than BAC. And a lot of my classmates who normally attend games in BAC had no clue to get to Judson, therefore they didn't go.

This is a completely worthless thread....but I'm not surprised because aclb started it. The "devoted Reagan hater"

Reaganrattler07
11-09-2005, 10:14 AM
You should wish your kids could go to Reagan. That school excels at academics. And they do pretty good at all sports as well.

Stop being bitter. Stop worrying about the Reagan community and worry about your own community...which is????

Clemens and Madison have been around forever. So I would hope they have 10,000 fans this week!

RR

His community (from what I gather) is Mac.

lonny23
11-09-2005, 10:16 AM
I saw this thread and couldn't help but laugh. aclb is the pathetic one. He claims it's a ten minute drive? I live minutes away from Reagan. And it took me much longer to get to Judson than BAC. And a lot of my classmates who normally attend games in BAC had no clue to get to Judson, therefore they didn't go.

This is a completely worthless thread....but I'm not surprised because aclb started it. The "devoted Reagan hater"
That means your friends don't care that much about football. I knew where stadiums were that I never attended games at. It's not hard to find Judson Stadium at all.

How come your basketball fans knew how to get to the Judson Field House for the district title in basketball last year?

JudsonVoice
11-09-2005, 10:26 AM
I also thought there might be a better representation by Reagan fans at the Judson game. Again granted, new school, possible small showing, but they apparently have shown for other games at BAC. Also, a good point earlier about CJ fans not showing for the Madison game at BAC. I called my wife wgo was out of town and took a picture of the reserved seats. Normally packed, on this night HUGE empty pockets iof available seats. High school attendance is a tough issue to deal with. But for a 1st ever SUPER HUGE games, I thought a few more folks would have shown up

Reaganrattler07
11-09-2005, 10:28 AM
That means your friends don't care that much about football. I knew where stadiums were that I never attended games at. It's not hard to find Judson Stadium at all.

How come your basketball fans knew how to get to the Judson Field House for the district title in basketball last year?

Lonny, most of them care about Reagan, they don't care about other schools. Judson is out of the way. If it's no 281 south (towards the restaurants and malls) or out towards La Cantera, then it's out of the way. I NEVER go out to Judson unless we have a game there.

Lonny.....how many fans were in the Judson gym and how many fans were in Judson field. There were about 150 fans in basketball and one or two thousand at Judson field.....

Reaganrattler07
11-09-2005, 10:29 AM
I also thought there might be a better representation by Reagan fans at the Judson game. Again granted, new school, possible small showing, but they apparently have shown for other games at BAC. Also, a good point earlier about CJ fans not showing for the Madison game at BAC. I called my wife wgo was out of town and took a picture of the reserved seats. Normally packed, on this night HUGE empty pockets iof available seats. High school attendance is a tough issue to deal with. But for a 1st ever SUPER HUGE games, I thought a few more folks would have shown up

"Location, location, location"

bullrock
11-09-2005, 10:54 AM
Location..... I'm sure glad ya'll pay all that money to sit in traffic for miles and miles everyday...twice a day! I wouldn't give you two rotten duck eggs for all of Stone Oak! Planned community my a$$! You need a helicopter to get in and out of there.
Ya'll stay over there. Please promise me you will. And to get to the mall and all those restaurants you talk about on 281..is that supposed to mean anything?

lonny23
11-09-2005, 11:02 AM
Lonny, most of them care about Reagan, they don't care about other schools. Judson is out of the way. If it's no 281 south (towards the restaurants and malls) or out towards La Cantera, then it's out of the way. I NEVER go out to Judson unless we have a game there.

Lonny.....how many fans were in the Judson gym and how many fans were in Judson field. There were about 150 fans in basketball and one or two thousand at Judson field.....
I know there are more for football. I was just saying that you guys show up for what you want to show up for.

FootballJunkie
11-09-2005, 11:18 AM
I also thought there might be a better representation by Reagan fans at the Judson game. Again granted, new school, possible small showing, but they apparently have shown for other games at BAC. Also, a good point earlier about CJ fans not showing for the Madison game at BAC. I called my wife wgo was out of town and took a picture of the reserved seats. Normally packed, on this night HUGE empty pockets iof available seats. High school attendance is a tough issue to deal with. But for a 1st ever SUPER HUGE games, I thought a few more folks would have shown up


I find it amazing that JUDSON fans would even chime in on this topic..I mean a couple of weeks ago when no one thought JUDSON would make the playoffs there were no JUDSON fans up here saying anything now they seem to be coming back out of the woodworks...interesting :rolleyes:

bullrock
11-09-2005, 11:25 AM
We were all here saying plenty. Where have you been? I keep hearing this but I didn't read any less from the Judson posters then than I do now. We may not have been very confident in our team, but we were still here talking about our team.

stangsfan
11-09-2005, 12:58 PM
There are places all over town that I know people that do not care at all about what their local high school is doing.

San Antonio is not a small, one horse town.

San Antonio has 1.9 million people in the metro and between people working, going to school, and going out with friends and family(LIVING THEIR LIVES) they may not see it necessary to go see a football game when they don't have any immidiate connection with it(like a kid playing)

Not everyone lives their life at the local football stadium on Friday nights.

I had a similar comment last year when being ragged on about Westfield fan support. If you stood in front of the local Walmart, you may be surprised how many people couldn't tell you the name of the high school or where it's located. Heck, many would even say football is played with a round ball.

It's their loss if they miss such a great sporting event.

DiamondJ2
11-09-2005, 03:31 PM
As I mentioned before, too many other things to do anymore. That's why there was only 12,000 at the Chili Bowl this past weekend and 10,000 at the Frontier bowl.

RedRage00
11-09-2005, 04:01 PM
I find it amazing that JUDSON fans would even chime in on this topic..I mean a couple of weeks ago when no one thought JUDSON would make the playoffs there were no JUDSON fans up here saying anything now they seem to be coming back out of the woodworks...interesting :rolleyes:

I agree with this comment. Just several weeks ago Judson fans had pretty much buried their team and many claimed to be wearing BLACK to mourn the death of their rockets...now they are in the playoffs and they wanna all come back and run their mouths about other teams lack of support.

Again, just several weeks ago when Judson was struggling their fan support was PATHETIC. I was at several of their games at BAC. What were yalls excuse for not traveling to BAC?? So, I think it's kinda stupid that you wanna come in here and rag on Reagan. And then for bullrock to diss the Reagan area is even more classless. I've always read his posts and I never expected that sort of comment from him. It sounded like someone is just a little bitter about the "income" of the Reagan people. The Reagan area is a whole lot nicer than Converse.

So Rocket fans, where were yall 3 weeks ago??? Yall weren't at BAC that's for sure.

RR

RedRage00
11-09-2005, 04:02 PM
As I mentioned before, too many other things to do anymore. That's why there was only 12,000 at the Chili Bowl this past weekend and 10,000 at the Frontier bowl.

There was almost 19,000 at the Chili Bowl.

RR

JudsonVoice
11-09-2005, 05:27 PM
I agree with this comment. Just several weeks ago Judson fans had pretty much buried their team and many claimed to be wearing BLACK to mourn the death of their rockets...now they are in the playoffs and they wanna all come back and run their mouths about other teams lack of support.

Again, just several weeks ago when Judson was struggling their fan support was PATHETIC. I was at several of their games at BAC. What were yalls excuse for not traveling to BAC?? So, I think it's kinda stupid that you wanna come in here and rag on Reagan. And then for bullrock to diss the Reagan area is even more classless. I've always read his posts and I never expected that sort of comment from him. It sounded like someone is just a little bitter about the "income" of the Reagan people. The Reagan area is a whole lot nicer than Converse.

So Rocket fans, where were yall 3 weeks ago??? Yall weren't at BAC that's for sure.

RR

Remember what was being talked about, Reagan fans not supporting the teams FIRST BIG GAME. How many has Judson had over the years that have been supported by THOUSANDS of traveling fan? Unfortunantely, the fans who have siupported the team took those weeks, off. Was it a scary time thinking CJ would not make the playoffs? You bet. Now that things have turned around abit for the Rockets, the fans have right right to "return" as you might say. We've been there. It was disappointing to not see more pepople on the visitors side on this nite. But those that showed up saw a heck of a game. (at least when the officials weern't hogging the spotlight trying to determine the outcome)