RexBurkhead is Superman

[da hawaiian]

His clips on U-tube r sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tLMQ-Zz_TE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjdSeBQs2xo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHXHepv82BQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMnWaIo9pP4&feature=related

You only need to talk to the kids that defended him last year as to how much they respect him

[Mean DT]

His clips on U-tube r sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tLMQ-Zz_TE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjdSeBQs2xo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHXHepv82BQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMnWaIo9pP4&feature=related

You only need to talk to the kids that defended him last year as to how much they respect himGreat Skills!!!

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Yes he has mad skills.

He is the only 4 year varsity player Plano has had since Pat Thomas (NFL all-pro LA RAMS) in the late 60's early 70's.

He will have a monster year and if Plano is fortunate enough to make a run to the title game he has a very good chance to be the 5A player of the year.

I just hope Plano finds a very strong back-up to give him rests during the season.

[TrojanHorse03]

Clark Kent is Superman.

[da hawaiian]

Yes he has mad skills.

He is the only 4 year varsity player Plano has had since Pat Thomas (NFL all-pro LA RAMS) in the late 60's early 70's.

He will have a monster year and if Plano is fortunate enough to make a run to the title game he has a very good chance to be the 5A player of the year.

I just hope Plano finds a very strong back-up to give him rests during the season.

Let's just agree that although I love your program and this kid, I'll be rooting on the team in black should we meet before regionals. http://www.bluyou.co.uk/images/smilies/fingerscrossed.gif

[dragonsdaddy]

Yes he has mad skills.

He is the only 4 year varsity player Plano has had since Pat Thomas (NFL all-pro LA RAMS) in the late 60's early 70's.

He will have a monster year and if Plano is fortunate enough to make a run to the title game he has a very good chance to be the 5A player of the year.

I just hope Plano finds a very strong back-up to give him rests during the season.

cmon, pwf, i expect better from you. pat didn't play his freshman year and missed almost half of his soph season with a broken thumb.
i agree about rex however.

[Favpack]

No, Rex is Superman. Can someone show that sick punt return against Skyline from ground level?

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

No, Rex is Superman. Can someone show that sick punt return against Skyline from ground level?

Go to youtube and search rex burkhead and the channel 21 broadcast of the Plano Skyline game has the view from an endzone perspective which is almost field level.

That was a fun game to watch.

[The Great Evaluator]

No, Rex is Superman. Can someone show that sick punt return against Skyline from ground level?

Here it is - definitely worth the look!

Superman punt return (http://community.prepticket.com/video/video/show?id=823292%3AVideo%3A37630)

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

cmon, pwf, i expect better from you. pat didn't play his freshman year and missed almost half of his soph season with a broken thumb.
i agree about rex however.

Hey I was 3 years old then give me break.:D My memory gets much better from 77 on that's why I rely on you for the 60's & early 70's history on Plano FB.

[dragonsdaddy]

Hey I was 3 years old then give me break.:D My memory gets much better from 77 on that's why I rely on you for the 60's & early 70's history on Plano FB.

glad to be of service.

[allendad]

glad to be of service.


This summer I made a covert trip down to
Jamaica. I trekked through the dense jungle
and came upon the grass hut of the . . . . . . . . . . .
"doctor".

I put down my $10,000.00 on the creaky wooded
table that was surrounded by shrunken heads.

I then placed a picture of Rex Burkhead in the
"doctor's" hand. He asked if I was sure about this,
to which I replied, "Yes, I am Doc. This is the only
answer that the Eagles have for the '08 season!"

The "doc" then worked his magic!

Poof!

The spell was cast.

Now, Rex can't even break a 6.0 in the 40!

GO EAGLES! GO EAGLES! GO EAGLES! GO EAGLES!

Plano,
Rex is a treat!
This could be a magical year for y'all.
Best of luck!

Rex,
I put the chicken feet under your pillow this afternoon!:p

Allendad

[Rapture]

i give credit where credit is due. this guy is good. i didnt know he was this good. i havnt seen him but, i have heard doing 7 on 7 about how good a back he was doing the football season. i thought he was just being blown up and overrated, but by seeing his running style, i see he is a talented kid.

[dragonsdaddy]

i give credit where credit is due. this guy is good. i didnt know he was this good. i havnt seen him but, i have heard doing 7 on 7 about how good a back he was doing the football season. i thought he was just being blown up and overrated, but by seeing his running style, i see he is a talented kid.
what doesn't show up on tape is maybe rex's best asset, his extra heart.

[da hawaiian]

He combines tremendous strength, great balance, and an unreal burst with scarry downfield speed.

Many will make the mistake of dismissing him for obvious reasons - too their own peril ... the kid can straight fly. If his line can atleast maintain neutrality along the LOS this will be a banner year for the young man, and i'm speaking about in comparison with his numbers from last year.

I knew he was something special after watching him live last year. He was as fast a back as any we faced last year who's last name wasn't Cannon (Bowie). His package of strength, speed and heart makes him my hands down choice for preseason 5A offensive MVP.

And not too far behind a list of such candidates I'll list Carson amongst its top 3.

[dragonsdaddy]

He combines tremendous strength, great balance, and an unreal burst with scarry downfield speed.

Many will make the mistake of dismissing him for obvious reasons - too their own peril ... the kid can straight fly. If his line can atleast maintain neutrality along the LOS this will be a banner year for the young man, and i'm speaking about in comparison with his numbers from last year.

I knew he was something special after watching him live last year. He was as fast a back as any we faced last year who's last name wasn't Cannon (Bowie). His package of strength, speed and heart makes him my hands down choice for preseason 5A offensive MVP.

And not too far behind a list of such candidates I'll list Carson amongst its top 3.
some may think you are being un-patriotic to the trojans with your praise, but i tend to believe that everyone who saw rex last year vs et has the same feelings. he and meagher are only 2 reasons why several otherwise true blue et backers are predicting an even tighter game vs plano this fall. i can't wait to see it come to pass.

rex reminds me a lot of aaron luna in his great north/south running. he has better moves and is a little faster, but doesn't bull quite as much, and that is not really a bad thing. he should be picking up the poy in houston in december.

[TrojanHorse03]

he and meagher are only 2 reasons why several otherwise true blue et backers are predicting an even tighter game vs plano this fall. i can't wait to see it come to pass.


Just 2 of the reasons some think Plano will beat Trinity and win 8 in '08, though you forgot Kris Lott and Coach McCullough among others. I don't think anybody associated with Trinity thinks lightly of Mr. Burkhead though not everyone hails him as "Superman". I think the only things most Trinity backers are really thinking about is Trinity right now, and then our opponents as scheduled starting with John Curtis.

[Fleeman93]

How big was/is Burkhead's offensive from last year and this.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

How big was/is Burkhead's offensive from last year and this.

Plano has 3 starters back who started all 15 games last year and their average weight is arould 250 IMO.

However they did lose their all state center and their 3 year starting strong guard who were the the best 2 lineman of the group. They averaged about 275.

Plano has a long tradition of great lineman and I have no doubt that the starting 5 will be a very solid and cohesive group.

[Fleeman93]

Plano has 3 starters back who started all 15 games last year and their average weight is arould 250 IMO.

However they did lose their all state center and their 3 year starting strong guard who were the the best 2 lineman of the group. They averaged about 275.

Plano has a long tradition of great lineman and I have no doubt that the starting 5 will be a very solid and cohesive group.


Thanks.

[Dynastybegan86]

Clark Kent is Superman.

:notworthy TH03, we finally agree on something football related...sorta:D

[Gazelle]

Just 2 of the reasons some think Plano will beat Trinity and win 8 in '08, though you forgot Kris Lott .... [/B]


Lott is a great receiver, but also notice, that on several of Burkhead's deep runs, there is a LB or DB planted in the ground by a Lott block downfield.

There are a couple of ET DBs and a great big DL that know the feeling.

[TrojanHorse03]

Lott is a great receiver, but also notice, that on several of Burkhead's deep runs, there is a LB or DB planted in the ground by a Lott block downfield.

There are a couple of ET DBs and a great big DL that know the feeling.

Partly as a result of Trinity holding Lott to 3 catches for 47 yards and no touchdowns without its top corner the feeling they felt from that game was victory.

[jbusch]

Lott is a great receiver, but also notice, that on several of Burkhead's deep runs, there is a LB or DB planted in the ground by a Lott block downfield.

There are a couple of ET DBs and a great big DL that know the feeling.

Based on personal observation and documented evidence - if you have a Burkhead and I have a Fielo - I ain't worried. Eric did some planting of his own of the main character.:D

[Fleeman93]

How many turnovers did Plano have in that game? Trinity?

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

How many turnovers did Plano have in that game? Trinity?

That was the difference 4 for Plano and 1 for Trinity

[dragonsdaddy]

Based on personal observation and documented evidence - if you have a Burkhead and I have a Fielo - I ain't worried. Eric did some planting of his own of the main character.:D

amen to that. fielo was the best defensive player i saw last year.

[stinger]

amen to that. fielo was the best defensive player i saw last year.

AND HE IS BACK!!:D

[Fleeman93]

That was the difference 4 for Plano and 1 for Trinity


I didn't realize the game went to OT with a +3 for Trinity. Could Trinity just not move the ball on Plano's D?

[allendad]

Burkhead is one of those guys that
once people see him in a came they ALL
say to themselves, if not out loud, . . . . .

"Man, I want that guy on our team!"

If you don't believe me . . . . .
Just wait. When you play against him . . . . . . .

You'll know what I mean.

[da hawaiian]

I didn't realize the game went to OT with a +3 for Trinity. Could Trinity just not move the ball on Plano's D?

Turnovers were big but Trinity left alot of points on the board when they didn't convert many into points by stalling several drives, in the end turnovers were big in terms of field position by eliminating Plano's kicking game.

Plano's D was suprisingly good

The Offense was a little flat the last three games, ofcourse opposing defenses had a little to do with that.

Looked like after the Permian game everyone had just about scouted the naked bootleg and Plano was rarely fooled on playaction. Without the backside seal the Panther defense was effective at stalling the Trojans Zone blocking scheme on many a drive...much like Southlake Carrol the year before. Sometimes I wish we'd mix in a few more quick hitting running plays to keep defenses guessing.

That Trojan offense left alot points on the board...especially once Robinson left the game injured.

I love Samir, heart of a champion, but Robinson is an entirely different animal when it comes to inside running and avoiding arm tackles. You really need a big back when your looking to gain tough inside yards and eat clock. Samir is an excellent change of pace back but he got the job done for us last year when we needed him so I've got no gripes.

With a big upgrade in power along the offensive line and Robinson and crew totting the ball behind, i believe will be more difficult to stall this offense come playoff time.

[da hawaiian]

Back on topic.

If the Burkhead family wants to relocate to Euless, the house next to my brother-in-laws is available

[jbusch]

Back on topic.

If the Burkhead family wants to relocate to Euless, the house next to my brother-in-laws is available they're already 3 + deep with excellent players @ both backs, why do we want to upset the chemistry?

[TrojanHorse03]

I didn't think Trinity had a deficiency at running back but maybe I'm wrong, we'll have to see....

[Trojan4653]

I didn't realize the game went to OT with a +3 for Trinity. Could Trinity just not move the ball on Plano's D?

Trinity scored 30 pts, Samir had 200+ rushing, you decide......:rolleyes:

[da hawaiian]

Scoring efficiency...scoring efficiency...scoring efficiency

3rd down conversions...3rd down conversions...3rd down conversions

[Fleeman93]

Trinity scored 30 pts, Samir had 200+ rushing, you decide......:rolleyes:

Ok let me put it to you this way, and please be as honest as possible. Do you think Trinity wins the game if Plano doesn't turn the ball over 4 times?

[farmerfan]

Ok let me put it to you this way, and please be as honest as possible. Do you think Trinity wins the game if Plano doesn't turn the ball over 4 times?

Yes.

[ftballin11]

Ok let me put it to you this way, and please be as honest as possible. Do you think Trinity wins the game if Plano doesn't turn the ball over 4 times?


How many did Trinity have?

[Fleeman93]

How many did Trinity have?


I believe they turned the ball over 1 time from what I am reading. Sounds like Plano's offense had a "bad" game and still almost won the game. I bet Plano's much more senior offense doesn't make the same mistakes if they meet again this year.

[Fleeman93]

Yes.

Thank you for your very very unbiased input. I'm sure most with any knowledge of the game of football would disagree with you on this one. A playoff team that is -3 generally is nowhere near being in a football game let alone keeping it close enough to go into OT. I'm just curious what your reasoning for your opinion is though?

[TrojanHorse03]

I believe they turned the ball over 1 time from what I am reading. Sounds like Plano's offense had a "bad" game and still almost won the game. I bet Plano's much more senior offense doesn't make the same mistakes if they meet again this year.

I wasn't sure of who you favored. Well you're not the only one who thinks that the "triplets" will lead Plano to 8 in '08 through Trinity, we may see at a later date....

[TrojanHorse03]

Ok let me put it to you this way, and please be as honest as possible. Do you think Trinity wins the game if Plano doesn't turn the ball over 4 times?

Yes, Trinity wins. Plano missed on some plays, but I'm sure you believe Trinity played its best game vs Plano, and Fleeman :D who am I to tell you different ;).

[ftballin11]

I wasn't sure of you favored. Well you're not the only one who thinks that the "triplets" lead Plano to 8 in '08 through Trinity, we may see at a later date....

Im stickin with trinity.

Then getting knocked off at state by Katy:D

[Fleeman93]

I wasn't sure of who you favored. Well you're not the only one who thinks that the "triplets" lead Plano to 8 in '08 through Trinity, we may see at a later date....


In all of the polls that were made over the offseason I gave Trinity the nod, but in a Trinity/Plano rematch if Trinity's defense isn't much much better then it would appear that Plano's offense would have a large advantage over them. If the leaders of a junior based Plano offense could turn the ball over 4 times and still almost win the game then one would have to think that as seniors the same mistakes most likely won't be there and they will be much better. I know that Trinity's offense will be better with some skill players returning also but those players aren't as "well known" on a state level as the three from Plano. It will be interesting to see what both teams do over the course of the regular season on their way to a rematch.

[TrojanHorse03]

Im stickin with trinity.

Then getting knocked off at state by Katy:D

If Trinity makes it to state this year, it would be an honor to be another one of Katy's many DFW victims in the state championship game.

[Fleeman93]

Yes, Trinity wins. Plano missed on some plays, but I'm sure you believe Trinity played its best game vs Plano, and Fleeman :D who am I to tell you different ;).


Look dude I totally respect your opinions and think you are knowledgeable for the most part(except for the obvious bias). I have no dog in the Plano Vs Trinity fight from 2007. So in football terms please explain to me how and why you think a playoff team that is -3 manages to get a game to OT but you don't think that same team doesn't win the game if they are even. I would also guess that you would argue that Trinity would have still won the game if they were -3?

[ftballin11]

If Trinity makes it to state this year, it would be an honor to be another one of Katy's many DFW victims in the state championship game.

HAHahA. Very funny.

Were Giant killers we take pride in knocking off undefeated teams. Ask your
your DFW companions from 03'. We are 5-3 in State games. So We havent faired too bad against reg 1. and 2s champ.

[Fleeman93]

Those DFW folks don't want to mention that of the 4 times Katy has played a DFW area team for state Katy was only favored in 1 of them and that was Garland in 1999. So winning 1 out of 3 games you aren't favored to win isn't all that bad. Not to mention that a DFW team wasn't good enough to make it to the state game in the other 3 state games Katy played for and won. I kind of like Katy taking on ALL of dfw.

[TrojanHorse03]

HAHahA. Very funny.

Were Giant killers we take pride in knocking off undefeated teams. Ask your
your DFW companions from 03'. We are 5-3 in State games. So We havent faired too bad against reg 1. and 2s champ.

Well that's good for us then, we're bound to have that one loss :D.

[TrojanHorse03]

Look dude I totally respect your opinions and think you are knowledgeable for the most part(except for the obvious bias). I have no dog in the Plano Vs Trinity fight from 2007. So in football terms please explain to me how and why you think a playoff team that is -3 manages to get a game to OT but you don't think that same team doesn't win the game if they are even. I would also guess that you would argue that Trinity would have still won the game if they were -3?

You know what...you guessed it, it's because I'm a complete homer. You're right, Plano was the better team in '07 if Plano doesn't turn the ball over they beat Trinity.

[Fleeman93]

You know what...you guessed it's because I'm a complete homer. You're right, Plano was the better team in '07.


I had you pegged as a biased homer but I didn't think you were quitter. Obviously you have no answer to the question(s)?

[TrojanHorse03]

I had you pegged as a biased homer but I didn't think you were quitter. Obviously you have no answer to the question(s)?

Zero.

[Fleeman93]

Zero.

Anyone else want to take a stab? I at least thought you would make an attempt but I guess it is hard to do in light of the facts.

[TrojanHorse03]

I know that Trinity's offense will be better with some skill players returning also but those players aren't as "well known" on a state level as the three from Plano.

It must be because they're not as good.

[Fleeman93]

It must be because they're not as good.


That is generally the case.

[da hawaiian]

That is generally the case.

You'll need better bait

[Fleeman93]

You'll need better bait

Ok.

By this sites evaluations:

Carson Meger (1st team all state) >> Denarius McGhee (not mentioned)
Rex Burkhead (1st team all state athlete) >? Tray Robinson (not mentioned)
Kris Lott (1st team all state) >> Tyree Tucker (not mentioned)

Not to mention Plano's O line will be better than Trinity's.


Anything else?

[bigdaddydog]

Anyone else want to take a stab? I at least thought you would make an attempt but I guess it is hard to do in light of the facts.

IF Plano had not turned the ball over as much as they did they would have won the game. But the point is moot. That was a great hard fought game and Trinity had as much to do with those turnovers as Plano did. for any reasonable person that was at the game, Trinity was obviuously the better team that night.


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[da hawaiian]

Ok.

By this sites evaluations:

Carson Meger (1st team all state) >> Denarius McGhee (not mentioned)
Rex Burkhead (1st team all state athlete) >? Tray Robinson (not mentioned)
Kris Lott (1st team all state) >> Tyree Tucker (not mentioned)

Not to mention Plano's O line will be better than Trinity's.


Anything else?

Getting Better

[TrojanHorse03]

Back on topic.

If the Burkhead family wants to relocate to Euless, the house next to my brother-in-laws is available

My apologies by the way for hi-jacking this thread. Good luck to Rex, and Plano without it some of this talk may be very moot.

[Fleeman93]

IF Plano had not turned the ball over as much as they did they would have won the game. But the point is moot. That was a great hard fought game and Trinity had as much to do with those turnovers as Plano did. for any reasonable person that was at the game, Trinity was obviuously the better team that night.


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Of course the point is moot. I just find it hard to believe that some would argue Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at a -3. My argument was that unless Trinity's defense is much better against Plano in a rematch then most likely Plano will have a nice advantage there. Thank you for admitting that Trinity most likely wouldn't have won the game though, that obviously is the most rational opinion.

[Fleeman93]

Getting Better

:D

[Fleeman93]

My apologies by the way for hi-jacking this thread. Good luck to Rex, and Plano without it some of this talk may be very moot.


I don't think we are hi-jacking at all. If Burkead(Superman) and his league of Junior super heros in Meger (Batman?) and Lott (Flash?) gave Trinity's defense all they could handle while giving up the ball 4 times then who is to say that a now senior bunch of super heros can't give Trinity's defense more than they can handle?

How is that for a non hi-jack spin?
:D

[bigdaddydog]

Of course the point is moot. I just find it hard to believe that some would argue Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at a -3. My argument was that unless Trinity's defense is much better against Plano in a rematch then most likely Plano will have a nice advantage there. Thank you for admitting that Trinity most likely wouldn't have won the game though, that obviously is the most rational opinion.

I agree on all your points. Plano is going to be a better team this year. How much better is yet to be seen. Now if they can stay healthy through the playoffs (Especially Burkhead!) They will be a very very tough team to beat.

They can call Rex "Superman", but I still don't see him at a level of say McGuffie just yet. With as hard as Burkhead works I have no doubt he can get there this coming season.

Cheers,


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[bigdaddydog]

I don't think we are hi-jacking at all. If Burkead(Superman) and his league of Junior super heros in Meger (Batman?) and Lott (Flash?) gave Trinity's defense all they could handle while giving up the ball 4 times then who is to say that a now senior bunch of super heros can't give Trinity's defense more than they can handle?

How is that for a non hi-jack spin?
:D

Meger had better work on not throwing so many picks this year. He also needs to be careful of being mugged again this year. :eek: :D


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[Fleeman93]

I agree on all your points. Plano is going to be a better team this year. How much better is yet to be seen. Now if they can stay healthy through the playoffs (Especially Burkhead!) They will be a very very tough team to beat.

They can call Rex "Superman", but I still don't see him at a level of say McGuffie just yet. With as hard as Burkhead works I have no doubt he can get there this coming season.

Cheers,


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Did Burkead have an issue with injuries last year? Are you worried about Robinson's health at all?

[Fleeman93]

Meger had better work on not throwing so many picks this year. He also needs to be careful of being mugged again this year. :eek: :D


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I've seen one year make a ton of difference when it comes to the QB position.

[da hawaiian]

please start a new thread and stop hi-jacking this one

[bigdaddydog]

Did Burkead have an issue with injuries last year? Are you worried about Robinson's health at all?

I guess Burkhead got banged up the week before the Trinity Game and he was not looking like the Rex I had seen earlier in the year toward the end of the Trinity game. Burkhead Back problem post (http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showpost.php?p=697966&postcount=85)

I don't know anything about Robinson.


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[HebronHawk]

You guys keep playing those old games. We will get ready for the new ones.

See ya week 2, Plano.

[stinger]

You know what...you guessed it, it's because I'm a complete homer. You're right, Plano was the better team in '07 if Plano doesn't turn the ball over they beat Trinity.

There's a joke there somewhere. Where is the punchline??

[stinger]

I had you pegged as a biased homer but I didn't think you were quitter. Obviously you have no answer to the question(s)?


You will get the answers in BOLD print if they meet again.:D

[stinger]

Ok.

By this sites evaluations:

Carson Meger (1st team all state) >> Denarius McGhee (not mentioned)
Rex Burkhead (1st team all state athlete) >? Tray Robinson (not mentioned)
Kris Lott (1st team all state) >> Tyree Tucker (not mentioned)

Not to mention Plano's O line will be better than Trinity's.


Anything else?


I thought you hated polls and predictions from those totally ignorant people. Does this make you one of them??

[stinger]

I don't think we are hi-jacking at all. If Burkead(Superman) and his league of Junior super heros in Meger (Batman?) and Lott (Flash?) gave Trinity's defense all they could handle while giving up the ball 4 times then who is to say that a now senior bunch of super heros can't give Trinity's defense more than they can handle?

How is that for a non hi-jack spin?
:D

I am here to say they won't be able to do it...again.

[Magellan]

Yes he has mad skills.

He is the only 4 year varsity player Plano has had since Pat Thomas (NFL all-pro LA RAMS) in the late 60's early 70's.

He will have a monster year and if Plano is fortunate enough to make a run to the title game he has a very good chance to be the 5A player of the year.

I just hope Plano finds a very strong back-up to give him rests during the season.

I agree. There have been far too many backs that carried the team on their capable shoulders, but the legs wear down if they don't get spelled every now and then. And with Plano's district, they won't be able to count on putting games the deep-freeze at halftime and cruise through the 2nd half most weeks. It may happen, but that district is strong enough that PSHS can't assume much with many of those games.

[farmerfan]

Yeah cause those turnovers had everything to do with the Plano's offense coming out and playing a terrible game and the Trinity defense not.
Flee, once again without seeing this game in person, you have no clue what you are talking about. Those turnovers were forced by the Trinity defense, forced by getting pressure on Meager and the defensive backs making great plays to get the picks they needed. Those throws by meager were not bad throws, they were plays great plays made by the Trinity defenisve backs.
That Trinity defense found ways to get the stops needed whether it be by a turnover, or a punting situation or holding a team to attempt a FG. They would have done the same had those turnovers not happend. Your obsession with Trinity contines and your attempt to keep dimenishing their state title is truly laughable.
Dude get a freaking life bro and stop obsessing over the 07 Trojans.

[jbusch]

So the question was "what if plano didn't turn the ball over 4 times would they have won?"

Well the point is they did turn the ball over 4 times - if they had a better offense they wouldn't have turned the ball over thus their offense was lacking in that respect during the game. If ET would not have turned the ball over several times against OP earlier in the season would thay have lost? Who knows but they turned it over and they lost - ya just deal with it.

If you use that one "What if" you must use other "What if's? for both teams concerning injured players, bad calls by the refs, certain play calling, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, mental mistakes etc. etc.

You suffer / succeed with the circumstances. The game is history and there will be no asterisk in the record book for Plano.:D

[farmerfan]

Of course the point is moot. I just find it hard to believe that some would argue Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at a -3. My argument was that unless Trinity's defense is much better against Plano in a rematch then most likely Plano will have a nice advantage there. Thank you for admitting that Trinity most likely wouldn't have won the game though, that obviously is the most rational opinion.

The What if game could be played many times,
What if Robison stays healthy
What if Eryon Barnett does not miss that game due to the flu
What if it wasn't so cold outside
What if Trinity just wasn't an overall better team.

As I said in the previous post, get over it man, your obsession is starting to get scary.

[TrojanHorse03]

You know what Plano had it opportunites to win the game no turnovers, no excuses heads up with the Trinity defense. Plano's offense vs. Trinity defense, 3rd and 2 :eek: and 3rd and 1 :eek:, I wonder who won....:confused:.

[farmerfan]

Thank you for your very very unbiased input. I'm sure most with any knowledge of the game of football would disagree with you on this one. A playoff team that is -3 generally is nowhere near being in a football game let alone keeping it close enough to go into OT. I'm just curious what your reasoning for your opinion is though?

Yeah, I'm sure those taht would disagree with me would be those like you and not actually in attendance watching this game seeing the events on the field over the course of the game that lead me to believe this.
The Trinity D was going to find a way to win this game, they did and thats all she wrote. That week they did so by forcing turnovers. The previous week they did so by elminating the speed factor Bowie had and eliminating the big play mainly that quick trap play that Bowie had been so successful at and the quick passes as well.

[stinger]

Yeah, I'm sure those taht would disagree with me would be those like you and not actually in attendance watching this game seeing the events on the field over the course of the game that lead me to believe this.
The Trinity D was going to find a way to win this game, they did and thats all she wrote. That week they did so by forcing turnovers. The previous week they did so by elminating the speed factor Bowie had and eliminating the big play mainly that quick trap play that Bowie had been so successful at and the quick passes as well.


How true!!! And it all goes back to several factors:
1. Coaching
2. Preparation
3. Teamwork
4. Drive
5. Depth
and the list goes on. Trinity has ALL of them.

[TrojanHorse03]

How true!!! And it all goes back to several factors:
1. Coaching
2. Preparation
3. Teamwork
4. Drive
5. Depth
and the list goes on. Trinity has ALL of them.

Well except an offense or defense as good as Plano's offense....

[farmerfan]

Well except an offense or defense as good as Plano's offense....

:D:eek:;)

[Fleeman93]

I thought you hated polls and predictions from those totally ignorant people. Does this make you one of them??


As we have seen from most of the pre season polls from this year, a lot are terrible. This site has proven that they do the research and have the results to prove it so I do hold them in the highest regard of all of them.

[Fleeman93]

I am here to say they won't be able to do it...again.


Are you also one of the ones that think Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at a -3?

[TrojanHorse03]

Are you also one of the ones that think Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at a -3?

Plano was only -2, but ironically the fumble isn't listed in the stats :laugh because it was bull:Censor:, it was also a gift to a Plano offense who probably didn't need it....

[Fleeman93]

Yeah cause those turnovers had everything to do with the Plano's offense coming out and playing a terrible game and the Trinity defense not.
Flee, once again without seeing this game in person, you have no clue what you are talking about. Those turnovers were forced by the Trinity defense, forced by getting pressure on Meager and the defensive backs making great plays to get the picks they needed. Those throws by meager were not bad throws, they were plays great plays made by the Trinity defenisve backs.
That Trinity defense found ways to get the stops needed whether it be by a turnover, or a punting situation or holding a team to attempt a FG. They would have done the same had those turnovers not happend. Your obsession with Trinity contines and your attempt to keep dimenishing their state title is truly laughable.
Dude get a freaking life bro and stop obsessing over the 07 Trojans.


Are we not discussing the Superman Burkhead in this thread? If that is the case then EVERYTHING I have said is relevent to THIS upcoming season. The talk of last season is to just make a comparison about what Burkhead and his team did against a good Trinity team last year and what Burkhead and his team return for the 08 season. So now we are learning that Burkhead had a bad back against Trinity. Hmmm, Burkhead has a bad back for Plano, team full of Juniors at the skill positions for Plano, Plano turns the ball over 4 times and Plano still almost pulls the game out in 08. All three of those issues will most likely be much improved in 08 so I do see an advantage for Plano.


P.S. - I noticed you didn't want to revist your less than credible statement that you though Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at -3 against Trinity. Did you know Burkhead had a bad back in that game?

[TrojanHorse03]

P.S. - I noticed you didn't want to revist your less than credible statement that you though Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at -3 against Trinity. Did you know Burkhead had a bad back in that game?

Gotcha!

You know what Plano had it opportunites to win the game no turnovers, no excuses heads up with the Trinity defense. Plano's offense vs. Trinity defense, 3rd and 2 :eek: and 3rd and 1 :eek:, I wonder who won....:confused:.

I've noticed you've avoided the fact that the Plano offense could not beat the Trinity defense heads up with the game on the line.

[Fleeman93]

So the question was "what if plano didn't turn the ball over 4 times would they have won?"

Well the point is they did turn the ball over 4 times - if they had a better offense they wouldn't have turned the ball over thus their offense was lacking in that respect during the game.


Exactly, thank you very much! Finally! My point being that in 08 with a much more mature and senior offense in 08 Plano most likely will not make those same mistakes. Katy's offense made a lot of mistakes in 06 that I didn't see them make that many of in 07 so if we apply that to Plano then you have a much much better offense. My original point said that unless Trinity's defense is MUCH improved then they will most likely have more than they can handle with Plano's offense in 08. Thank you Busch for finally seeing the light!

If ET would not have turned the ball over several times against OP earlier in the season would thay have lost? Who knows but they turned it over and they lost - ya just deal with it.

Haven't seen many games where turnovers make a huge difference in a 30-3 game but it is very possible.

If you use that one "What if" you must use other "What if's? for both teams concerning injured players, bad calls by the refs, certain play calling, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, mental mistakes etc. etc.

You suffer / succeed with the circumstances. The game is history and there will be no asterisk in the record book for Plano.:D


Of course there will be no asterick in the book for Plano and I am not suggesting there should be. My argument is for what Burkhead and his offense did against Trinity in 07 and then looking at what could happen in 08 based on that. If you are suggesting that we completely throw out all of the performances, numbers, and matchups from 07 to make guesstimations on 08 then we certainly can but it will just blury the picture even more.

[Fleeman93]

The What if game could be played many times,
What if Robison stays healthy
What if Eryon Barnett does not miss that game due to the flu
What if it wasn't so cold outside
What if Trinity just wasn't an overall better team.

As I said in the previous post, get over it man, your obsession is starting to get scary.


Just looking at 08 based on 07 (we need to do that to make projections).

[Fleeman93]

You know what Plano had it opportunites to win the game no turnovers, no excuses heads up with the Trinity defense. Plano's offense vs. Trinity defense, 3rd and 2 :eek: and 3rd and 1 :eek:, I wonder who won....:confused:.


Not a matter of who won or lost the game. It is about what Plano returns on the offensive side of the ball.

[TrojanHorse03]

Just looking at 08 based on 07 (we need to do that to make projections).

Who do you think wins?

[TrojanHorse03]

Not a matter of who won or lost the game. It is about what Plano returns on the offensive side of the ball.

Bingo.

[Fleeman93]

Yeah, I'm sure those taht would disagree with me would be those like you and not actually in attendance watching this game seeing the events on the field over the course of the game that lead me to believe this.
The Trinity D was going to find a way to win this game, they did and thats all she wrote. That week they did so by forcing turnovers. The previous week they did so by elminating the speed factor Bowie had and eliminating the big play mainly that quick trap play that Bowie had been so successful at and the quick passes as well.


Maybe WOS87 can give us some stats on on turnover margin and how it effects MOST games (the point being a -3).

[Fleeman93]

How true!!! And it all goes back to several factors:
1. Coaching
2. Preparation
3. Teamwork
4. Drive
5. Depth
and the list goes on. Trinity has ALL of them.


Trinity was a good team in 07 and will most likely be great in 08.

[Fleeman93]

Plano was only -2, but ironically the fumble isn't listed in the stats :laugh because it was bull:Censor:, it was also a gift to a Plano offense who probably didn't need it....


You are making a stretch now.

(-4) - (-1) = -3 right?

[Fleeman93]

Gotcha!



I've noticed you've avoided the fact that the Plano offense could not beat the Trinity defense heads up with the game on the line.


Exactly! But Plano returns the key pieces of that offense with a better offensive line. Plano's offense will be much much better in 08, will Trinity's defense be that much improved over 07?

[Fleeman93]

:D:eek:;)


:D



:cool:

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Of course the point is moot. I just find it hard to believe that some would argue Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at a -3. My argument was that unless Trinity's defense is much better against Plano in a rematch then most likely Plano will have a nice advantage there. Thank you for admitting that Trinity most likely wouldn't have won the game though, that obviously is the most rational opinion.


I'll admit I am homer. To say turnovers weren't the major key in Trinity winning the game then you aren't looking clearly.

Plano was up 21-17 and had taken over over the ball insider the 5 mid-way through the third they had already taken the ball to start the third and drove down and scored then stopped Trinity on their position. Momentum was on Plano's side and then they methodically marched down the field with a great mixture of run and pass. Trinity was on their hills and that is a fact.

Plano got down to the Trinity 23 & had 3rd -7 with the clock winding down in the third. Plano decided to run another Play even though they could of ran the clock to end the third. I remember clearly I thought why didn't Plano take it's dear sweet time and milk the clock. Then Meger threw a pass up for grabs in the end zone for Lott & Trinity made a great Play for the INT and turned the Momentum around and to their credit took advantage and drove down for the go ahead score to go up 24-21. Had trinity not fumbled at the end and allowed Plano to tie the score and send it into OT the turnovers would of been 4-0 in Plano's advantage.

To say that Plano would of still lost that game had they not turned the ball over is a pretty bold statement. Regardless it was a evenly matched game in yards gained by both offenses. 07 teams were evenly matched and the turnovers was the #1 reason Trinity won that game no question about it.

Trinity deserved to win and until Plano possibly gets a rematch then they are the better team and deserves the #1 ranking.

[TrojanHorse03]

Exactly! But Plano returns the key pieces of that offense with a better offensive line. Plano's offense will be much much better in 08, will Trinity's defense be that much improved over 07?

Wrong again, Trinity returns more experience on defense than the Plano offense, and everyone viewing this thread should of come to the conclusion that you know nothing about the 3rd and 2, and 3rd and 1 plays. That's ok certain people don't like to talk about them. You might wanna do yourself a favor ask someone with a clue about that game, because you're talking outta your :Censor:.

[Fleeman93]

Who do you think wins?


Like I said before I have been giving the overwhelming nod to Trinity over the offseason but now I think the matchup is much much closer than I had originally thought. It looks to me like Plano would have the advantage over Trinity's defense so I guess it would come down to what Trinity's offense will be able to do against Plano's D and then special teams (which we haven't talked about at all). If I had to set a line right this second I would probably say Trinity at maybe a +1. Should be a great rematch if it does happen.

[TrojanHorse03]

You are making a stretch now.

(-4) - (-1) = -3 right?

But of course Trinity played its best game against Plano, there was no other turnover in addition to the bs fumble....

[Fleeman93]

Bingo.



Which is exactly what I have been talking about.

[farmerfan]

Exactly! But Plano returns the key pieces of that offense with a better offensive line. Plano's offense will be much much better in 08, will Trinity's defense be that much improved over 07?

For Trinity it all depends on the defensive line, they have to replace some very good ones there, the linebacking and defensive back play will be better simply due to also being a year older. Trinity's defense has a great chance of being better this year than they were in 07.
Same with Plano's offense. They have to replace their 2 best lineman this season.
Once the games kickoff and I get to see both these teams early then we will know forsure how good they will be.
Right now its all speculation.

[Fleeman93]

I'll admit I am homer. To say turnovers weren't the major key in Trinity winning the game then you aren't looking clearly.

Plano was up 21-17 and had taken over over the ball insider the 5 mid-way through the third they had already taken the ball to start the third and drove down and scored then stopped Trinity on their position. Momentum was on Plano's side and then they methodically marched down the field with a great mixture of run and pass. Trinity was on their hills and that is a fact.

Plano got down to the Trinity 23 & had 3rd -7 with the clock winding down in the third. Plano decided to run another Play even though they could of ran the clock to end the third. I remember clearly I thought why didn't Plano take it's dear sweet time and milk the clock. Then Meger threw a pass up for grabs in the end zone for Lott & Trinity made a great Play for the INT and turned the Momentum around and to their credit took advantage and drove down for the go ahead score to go up 24-21. Had trinity not fumbled at the end and allowed Plano to tie the score and send it into OT the turnovers would of been 4-0 in Plano's advantage.

To say that Plano would of still lost that game had they not turned the ball over is a pretty bold statement. Regardless it was a evenly matched game in yards gained by both offenses. 07 teams were evenly matched and the turnovers was the #1 reason Trinity won that game no question about it.

Trinity deserved to win and until Plano possibly gets a rematch then they are the better team and deserves the #1 ranking.



As far as 08 goes do you think Meger makes that pass in the same situation this year?

[Fleeman93]

Wrong again, Trinity returns more experience on defense than the Plano offense, and everyone viewing this thread should of come to the conclusion that you know nothing about the 3rd and 2, and 3rd and 1 plays. That's ok certain people don't like to talk about them. You might wanna do yourself a favor ask someone with a clue about that game, because you're talking outta your :Censor:.


Yes or no, does Trinity win that game if Plano doesn't turn the ball over 4 times. Don't give me excuses or this and that, just a yes or no answer.

[Fleeman93]

But of course Trinity played its best game against Plano, there was no other turnover in addition to the bs fumble....


Ok. Care to make a point so the comment is worth something?

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

As far as 08 goes do you think Meger makes that pass in the same situation this year?

No, he milks the clock and takes it into the 4th quarter with the ball still.
He then has 2 play options 1. He gives the ball to Burkhead on a sprint draw and option 2 he throws a 10 yard curl pattern to Lott to move the chains instead of going for the Touchdown and throwing into triple coverage.

[Fleeman93]

For Trinity it all depends on the defensive line, they have to replace some very good ones there, the linebacking and defensive back play will be better simply due to also being a year older. Trinity's defense has a great chance of being better this year than they were in 07.
Same with Plano's offense. They have to replace their 2 best lineman this season.
Once the games kickoff and I get to see both these teams early then we will know forsure how good they will be.
Right now its all speculation.


There we go, now we are talking. So Trinity's D line will be the big question. I know it was a huge part of the 07 defense so that will be interesting. From this sites evaluation Plano's offensive line will be better overall as a unit in 08 than 07 despite having to replace their two best lineman. The speculation sure is fun until we do get that kickoff!

[TrojanHorse03]

Yes or no, does Trinity win that game if Plano doesn't turn the ball over 4 times. Don't give me excuses or this and that, just a yes or no answer.

Yes without a doubt Fleeman, those 3rd down plays after Plano received a gift told me everything I or anyone who was really there about those 2 teams and how they really match up. And Trinity did not play its best game, actually not even close :eek::eek::eek:....

[Fleeman93]

No, he milks the clock and takes it into the 4th quarter with the ball still.
He then has 2 play options 1. He gives the ball to Burkhead on a sprint draw and option 2 he throws a 10 yard curl pattern to Lott to move the chains instead of going for the Touchdown and throwing into triple coverage.


Makes more sense than throwing into double coverage while not under that much pressure (if it is the same play from the video I saw). Even if Plano doesn't get the FD they take a FG attempt that could have put them up 24 - 17 and take a little pressure off the defense.

[T's UP 93]

Fleeman like I wrote on here a while back you are SOMETHING ELSE!!!! We (ET) could play a pop warner team and you would have a stupid comment. The competition here in the metroplex I will say and most of these other posters from here will say is A STEP AHEAD of any other area in the state for the last couple of years. Plano was a dad blame good team and Katy did not even come close to playing any one like them in 07. You do not like ET and that's really sad. If Burkhead had a bad back he played the whole game. We lost Tray and he got hurt in the first half. Here I go with the if factor, Tray stays in the game there is no overtime!!! The season is here so FLEE get ready for your weekly dose of HAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!:D:D

[TrojanHorse03]

There we go, now we are talking. So Trinity's D line will be the big question.

Mao, Robert, Anthony, Yannick, and Stephen were fantastic, but it seems you're also uniformed Fleeman about Trinity's defensive line situation as well.

[Fleeman93]

Yes without a doubt Fleeman, those 3rd down plays after Plano received a gift told me everything I or anyone who was really there about those 2 teams and how they really match up. And Trinity did not play its best game, actually not even close :eek::eek::eek:....


Alrighty biased homer. Go ask someone that knows anything about football about turnover margins in big games and then get back to me. Until then you just keep on livin the dream.

;)

[TrojanHorse03]

Alrighty biased homer. Go ask someone about turnover margins in big games and then get back to me. Until then you just keep on livin the dream.

;)

You don't even have the turnover margin right, by time this day is done you will have no credibilty left if not already.

[slcdragonfan]

No dog in this hunt, but here's an opinion. Plano will be better this year, and they were :Censor: good last year. Take away those turnovers, and there is a good chance that Plano wins. But see, you can't take them away. I recall a certain fake punt that I heard a lot of folks say 'if we don't do that, we win the game'. I also heard a lot about a certain fumble against Abilene last year, if it doesn't happen, a certain Dragon team moves on. But there were the fumbles, there was the fake punt, there was the mishandled snap. In some cases, it is because the other team played the fumble, fake punt, etc. In others, just execution failure. Either way, I think Trinity fans would honestly have to agree that Plano had every chance of winning that game last year. Take away the turnovers....? Just as in the Permian Game I, take away Trinity's turnovers and who wins? But you can't take them away, can you?

As far as this year, I think everybody on this board knows that two of the top teams (if not THE two top teams) going into the season are Plano and Trinity. A game between them would be a coin toss, and it comes down to injuries, execution on the field (turnovers), and coaching. I like Trinity, but Rex Burkhead and the rest of the Plano team from last year have my utmost respect, and I would have a tough time calling a winner this year.

I think we have to see a few games this year to make final decisions.

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman like I wrote on here a while back you are SOMETHING ELSE!!!!

Thank you.

We (ET) could play a pop warner team and you would have a stupid comment.

I doubt that. The size element alone would just be too much of an advantage for Trinity let alone the speed aspect and knowledge of the game.

The competition here in the metroplex I will say and most of these other posters from here will say is A STEP AHEAD of any other area in the state for the last couple of years.

Ok, agreed.

Plano was a dad blame good team and Katy did not even come close to playing any one like them in 07.

If you say so. Why did Plano struggle with 6-5 Plano West (14-9) in week 8, 6-4 Plano East (28-14) in week 9, and 6-5 Rockwall (42-35) in round 1 of the playoffs? You made a statement and I asked a question so it should be a fair trade.

You do not like ET and that's really sad.

I think Trinity is very solid program and what they have done over the last few years truely is impressive.

If Burkhead had a bad back he played the whole game. We lost Tray and he got hurt in the first half. Here I go with the if factor, Tray stays in the game there is no overtime!!! The season is here so FLEE get ready for your weekly dose of HAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!:D:D


All eyes are on Trinity this year so the entire state will certainly get a good look at them. Right now Trinity is the hands down favorite to win state by a good margin over every single team in the state except Plano (slim margin over Plano there), in my opinion.

[TrojanHorse03]

No dog in this hunt, but here's an opinion. Plano will be better this year, and they were :Censor: good last year. Take away those turnovers, and there is a good chance that Plano wins. But see, you can't take them away. I recall a certain fake punt that I heard a lot of folks say 'if we don't do that, we win the game'. I also heard a lot about a certain fumble against Abilene last year, if it doesn't happen, a certain Dragon team moves on. But there were the fumbles, there was the fake punt, there was the mishandled snap. In some cases, it is because the other team played the fumble, fake punt, etc. In others, just execution failure. Either way, I think Trinity fans would honestly have to agree that Plano had every chance of winning that game last year. Take away the turnovers....? Just as in the Permian Game I, take away Trinity's turnovers and who wins? But you can't take them away, can you?

As far as this year, I think everybody on this board knows that two of the top teams (if not THE two top teams) going into the season are Plano and Trinity. A game between them would be a coin toss, and it comes down to injuries, execution on the field (turnovers), and coaching. I like Trinity, but Rex Burkhead and the rest of the Plano team from last year have my utmost respect, and I would have a tough time calling a winner this year.

I think we have to see a few games this year to make final decisions.

I like that part, we won't know to we know right.

[Fleeman93]

You don't even have the turnover margin right, by time this day is done you will have no credibilty left if not already.

Someone else earlier in the thread suggested that it was +3 for Trinity. If that is not correct then that person should be banned this second. I can't find a good box score from the game so I can't confirm.

[Planofan2007]

Partly as a result of Trinity holding Lott to 3 catches for 47 yards and no touchdowns without its top corner the feeling they felt from that game was victory.

Yea, but Grant David has two TDs!! They coudn't stop him until I beleive the safety absolutly blew him up and literly broke him in half.

[TrojanHorse03]

Yea, but Grant David has two TDs!! They coudn't stop him until I beleive the safety absolutly blew him up and literly broke him in half.

True, Grant Davis is warrior that I would want on my team.

[Fleeman93]

True, Grant Davis is warrior that I would want on my team.

If you had your choice would you take Burkhead over Robinson?

[TrojanHorse03]

If you had your choice would you take Burkhead over Robinson?

No.

[slcdragonfan]

Robinson was injured, so while he is very good, there is more of a history for Burkhead. Personally, I would take Burkhead. Nothing against Robinson, but Burkhead IMO is very special.

[Fleeman93]

No.


Good safe answer.

:D

[Fleeman93]

Robinson was injured, so while he is very good, there is more of a history for Burkhead. Personally, I would take Burkhead. Nothing against Robinson, but Burkhead IMO is very special.


I think most outside of Trinity would.

[slcdragonfan]

I think most outside of Trinity would.

Of course, I'd take Robinson as well.:notworthy But between the two of them, Burkhead.

[TrojanHorse03]

Good safe answer.

:D

Actually it's anything but, to this point Rex has outproduced Tray and is a great back. While we're deeper than most know at both running back and fullback hopefully by the grace of GOD Tray can remain healthy. In Tray's last game of the season however, his presence was certainly felt in very limited work....

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

If you had your choice would you take Burkhead over Robinson?

No question I would take Burkhead he's durable and can play any position you want him to and play at a very high calibur. I have no doubt he will have a Monster season and as long as Plano fines a quality back-up that can spell him he will be unstoppable.

If Plano makes a run to the finals then Burkhead will be the 5A player of the year. That is a very big IF!!

One week to go and ready for the opener and I got the Condo all spruced up for the season the Keg has been tapped and cold Heinken ready to go (NO SUSHI). I am ready to get this ride started.:D

[TrinityTrojan80]

Actually it's anything but, to this point Rex has outproduced Tray and is a great back. While we're deeper than most know at both running back and fullback hopefully by the grace of GOD Tray can remain healthy. In Tray's last game of the season however, his presence was certainly felt in very limited work....

I might point out that this is the first season that Tray will have been the featured back for Trinity. Last year Baker was the tailback, Robinson was the FB, then to spell Baker, Robinson would then play tailback. We also played other RB's as well.

I agree that Burkhead is a special talent but you can't compare the numbers because Tray is just now getting the chance to be the guy. Burkhead has been the guy already. It is hard to stand out when you play for Trinity, this year Robinson will be the guy but he will have to share some of that time with a sophmore sensation Tevin Williams. When someone gets gassed, they get pulled because we have a lot of talent on the bench.:eek:

[stinger]

Are you also one of the ones that think Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at a -3?


NO DOUBT>>...Trinity did what it took to win the games. They were also the victim of mistakes in their own red zone. But...Plano's mistakes were not always in their own red zone, and Trinty took them to the end zone.

[stinger]

No, he milks the clock and takes it into the 4th quarter with the ball still.
He then has 2 play options 1. He gives the ball to Burkhead on a sprint draw and option 2 he throws a 10 yard curl pattern to Lott to move the chains instead of going for the Touchdown and throwing into triple coverage.

Even if they killed the clock, I think they would have run the same play....with the same results.

[stinger]

Alrighty biased homer. Go ask someone that knows anything about football about turnover margins in big games and then get back to me. Until then you just keep on livin the dream.

;)


Your dream failed you...ours didn't end.

[TrojanHorse03]

I might point out that this is the first season that Tray will have been the featured back for Trinity. Last year Baker was the tailback, Robinson was the FB, then to spell Baker, Robinson would then play tailback. We also played other RB's as well.

I agree that Burkhead is a special talent but you can't compare the numbers because Tray is just now getting the chance to be the guy. Burkhead has been the guy already. It is hard to stand out when you play for Trinity, this year Robinson will be the guy but he will have to share some of that time with a sophmore sensation Tevin Williams. When someone gets gassed, they get pulled because we have a lot of talent on the bench.:eek:

It's not even new Trinity fans getting called homers based on how good we think are running backs are. Sure Samir Baker had only over 300 yards rushing in the 2006 season , yet led the metroplex with over 2,000 last year despite splitting time. Sure people asked how we're going to replace Dimitri in 2006 and we responded with not one but 2 thousand yard backs. Sure a lot of people didn't really know who Dimitri was before 2005, he would just rush for over 3,000 yards, 40 tds despite splitting carries with an 1,100 yard rusher, sitting out many halves, in 15 games :eek:. Yup, we're the biggest, most unknowledgable homers in Texas.

[Fleeman93]

Your dream failed you...ours didn't end.


Not at all. Katy won state and by THE MAJORITY of opinions around the state were the best team in the state last year. Not sure how my dream failed???

[Fleeman93]

It's not even new Trinity fans getting called homers based on how good we think are running backs are. Sure Samir Baker had only over 300 yards rushing in the 2006 season , yet led the metroplex with over 2,000 last year despite splitting time. Sure people asked how we're going to replace Dimitri in 2006 and we responded with not one but 2 thousand yard backs. Sure a lot of people didn't really know who Dimitri was before 2005, he would just rush for over 3,000 yards, 40 tds despite splitting carries with an 1,100 yard rusher, sitting out many halves, in 15 games :eek:. Yup, we're the biggest, most unknowledgable homers in Texas.


You were called homers for reasons other than Trinity's ability to replace the backfield each year.

[farmerfan]

And there it is fellas. Flee's sole objective with this whole thing, attempt to draw it back into a Trinity/Katy debate.
Thanks a lot Stinger for taking the bait.
Well done flee in baiting them. You knew eventually it was going to happen

[ftballin11]

Your dream failed you...ours didn't end.

You do know hes not a Plano fan right?

[Fleeman93]

And there it is fellas. Flee's sole objective with this whole thing, attempt to draw it back into a Trinity/Katy debate.
Thanks a lot Stinger for taking the bait.
Well done flee in baiting them. You knew eventually it was going to happen


Not at all. He said my dream failed me and I simply explained otherwise. This thread is certainly still about Burkhead being Superman and returning his team to the promised land in 2008.

[Fleeman93]

You do know hes not a Plano fan right?


Even then Plano has a few fulfilled dreams of their own.

[ftballin11]

Even then Plano has a few fulfilled dreams of their own.

94' rings my bell:(:(:(

[Fleeman93]

94' rings my bell:(:(:(


Losing makes you appreciate winning that much more. It the first big stepping stone to what we have now.

[Planofan2007]

I might point out that this is the first season that Tray will have been the featured back for Trinity. Last year Baker was the tailback, Robinson was the FB, then to spell Baker, Robinson would then play tailback. We also played other RB's as well.

I agree that Burkhead is a special talent but you can't compare the numbers because Tray is just now getting the chance to be the guy. Burkhead has been the guy already. It is hard to stand out when you play for Trinity, this year Robinson will be the guy but he will have to share some of that time with a sophmore sensation Tevin Williams. When someone gets gassed, they get pulled because we have a lot of talent on the bench.:eek:

That isn't true because last year was Rex's first year to start the whole season at RB. His soph year he was the starting QB by the time district play started.

[stinger]

Not at all. Katy won state and by THE MAJORITY of opinions around the state were the best team in the state last year. Not sure how my dream failed???


U R Right...Katy had a great year. Honestly,,,did they lose as much as the rumors say? They should still be able to get in the playoffs this year.

[ftballin11]

Losing makes you appreciate winning that much more. It the first big stepping stone to what we have now.

Unfortunately i was 10 years old when i happened, so i dont rember it that well. But i do remeber after that year, i rarely ever missed a game. You didnt ask your friends where they would be fiday night. You simply said ill see you at the Katy game.

[ftballin11]

U R Right...Katy had a great year. Honestly,,,did they lose as much as the rumors say? They should still be able to get in the playoffs this year.

Wow we havent missed the playoffs since 85'. I expect them to be state contenders as usuall.

[TrojanHorse03]

Wow we havent missed the playoffs since 85'. I expect them to be state contenders as usuall.

Yeah, I agree. I've actually have heard cautious optimism amongst Katy fans of what Katy can do this year, much more than has been let on.

[TrojanHorse03]

That isn't true because last year was Rex's first year to start the whole season at RB. His soph year he was the starting QB by the time district play started.

That's good 2008 will be Robinson's first.

[ftballin11]

Yeah, I agree. I've actually have heard cautious optimism amongst Katy fans of what Katy can do this year.

Trying to fly under the radar, Im guessing. Pull a Mac Brown and be the under dog. I see this year being alot like 02'. But more talented.

[TrojanHorse03]

Trying to fly under the radar, Im guessing. Pull a Mac Brown and be the under dog. I see this year being alot like 02'. But more talented.

Or 2003.

[Trojan4653]

Did Burkead have an issue with injuries last year? Are you worried about Robinson's health at all?

Tray is 100%.....

[Trojan4653]

Ok let me put it to you this way, and please be as honest as possible. Do you think Trinity wins the game if Plano doesn't turn the ball over 4 times?
Welll....purely from a homers point of view....Yes......... Reasoning(if it is a reason).........what I have seen Trinity do the last few years, for the most part, is find a way to win, regardless of the circumstance.

[Trojan4653]

I believe they turned the ball over 1 time from what I am reading. Sounds like Plano's offense had a "bad" game and still almost won the game. I bet Plano's much more senior offense doesn't make the same mistakes if they meet again this year.

You are right...they did have a bad game, a result of ET 's defense having a "good" game.

[TrinityTrojan80]

That isn't true because last year was Rex's first year to start the whole season at RB. His soph year he was the starting QB by the time district play started.

That's exactly my point along with the fact that Tray hasn't been the feature back yet. You just stated 1/2 my point!

Don't get me wrong, Burkhead is quite a player and whenever I talk about Tray, it is not my intention to talk bad about Burkhead. I would take Robinson over Burkhead if I had to choose but Burkhead has proved it with his earlier opportunities and Tray Robinson is on potential. Call me a gambler!

[ftballin11]

Or 2003.

Maybe.:D:D:D:D

ill no alot more after there scrimmage tonite

[Trojan4653]

Of course the point is moot. I just find it hard to believe that some would argue Trinity would still have won the game had Plano not turned the ball over at a -3. My argument was that unless Trinity's defense is much better against Plano in a rematch then most likely Plano will have a nice advantage there. Thank you for admitting that Trinity most likely wouldn't have won the game though, that obviously is the most rational opinion.

OK Flee...I am not sure where you get "unless Trinity's defense is much better".....The Trojans had several "rotating starters" that are under the radar, for now. Our player, had 75 tackles last year, and you never heard of him. The #1 ET offense doesnt scrimmage the #1 defense cause they are too rough on em. Not my words, the coaches. Remains to be seen.

[ftballin11]

OK Flee...I am not sure where you get "unless Trinity's defense is much better".....The Trojans had several "rotating starters" that are under the radar, for now. Our player, had 75 tackles last year, and you never heard of him. The #1 ET offense doesnt scrimmage the #1 defense cause they are too rough on em. Not my words, the coaches. Remains to be seen.


I wouldnt know of anyones 1s ever scrimmaging each other. Except spring time.

[Trojan4653]

I wouldnt know of anyones 1s ever scrimmaging each other. Except spring time.

You're right.

[jbusch]

Yes or no, does Trinity win that game if Plano doesn't turn the ball over 4 times. Don't give me excuses or this and that, just a yes or no answer.
Farmer fan gave you a one word answer earlier ( reply # 38 ) - and you got all upset ( Reply #41 )because of no explaination now you don't want an explanation just one word- make up what's left you have of a mind - ,

[jbusch]

True, Grant Davis is warrior that I would want on my team. wez got 7 great receivers already

[jbusch]

There we go, now we are talking. So Trinity's D line will be the big question. I know it was a huge part of the 07 defense so that will be interesting. From this sites evaluation Plano's offensive line will be better overall as a unit in 08 than 07 despite having to replace their two best lineman. The speculation sure is fun until we do get that kickoff! ET's D line may be a big question to you but not to those that have been following them since spring

[EastSIDE]

That isn't true because last year was Rex's first year to start the whole season at RB. His soph year he was the starting QB by the time district play started.

http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/football/news/story?id=3532928

cool article on Burkhead

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/football/news/story?id=3532928

cool article on Burkhead

Great article. Good find.

[da hawaiian]

Agreed

Awsome article on the fine young man

That's some pedigree beginning his freshman year

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Agreed

Awsome article on the fine young man

That's some pedigree beginning his freshman year


That Freshman year he played mulitple postions and came up with a huge diving with his back to the ball INT against SLC saving a TD in the region 1 final in 2005 allowing Plano one last on offense midway through the 4th quarter in a 3 point game.

Not sure how many freshman could make a play like that against IMO the greatest Texas Team of all time 05 SLC.

I knew then he would be a special player.

[dragonsdaddy]

That Freshman year he played mulitple postions and came up with a huge diving with his back to the ball INT against SLC saving a TD in the region 1 final in 2005 allowing Plano one last on offense midway through the 4th quarter in a 3 point game.

Not sure how many freshman could make a play like that against IMO the greatest Texas Team of all time 05 SLC.

I knew then he would be a special player.i have been hearing about him since he was in the 7th grade. it was predicted he'd be playing as a freshman, and he has been proving my source right in spades. good luck to him and the wildcats. make this a memorable year.

[PWCF03]

Hahaha this is what Coach Brazil had to say about "SUPERMAN" “That was a bad mistake. He switched at the last second and we kicked away to him,” Brazil said. “Superman gets the ball and flies up the sideline.” Hey didn't he do that against some team in the playoffs? :p

“He’s as good as there is anywhere. He really is as good as it gets," Brazil said.


I wasn't able to go to the game but he had some 300+ yard game with that 89 yard kick return.

[tjw]

Not really, just a good HS Football player. :D

But Plano would be 0-3 without him instead of 3-0. :D

[texas-buckeye]

Have seen him play three times. He alone is definitely worth the price of admission to watch. Wish him well in the future. :)

[EastSIDE]

That's exactly my point along with the fact that Tray hasn't been the feature back yet. You just stated 1/2 my point!

Don't get me wrong, Burkhead is quite a player and whenever I talk about Tray, it is not my intention to talk bad about Burkhead. I would take Robinson over Burkhead if I had to choose but Burkhead has proved it with his earlier opportunities and Tray Robinson is on potential. Call me a gambler!

Robinson and Burkhead may be playing together soon, I saw where Burkhead is visiting Nebraska this weekend, so they may be able to say they have them both

[KC88]

Boy, I sure hope Kentucky gets him. That'd be awesome!

[HebronHawk]

Boy, I sure hope Kentucky gets him. That'd be awesome!

I don't think Kentucky even recruits in the Dallas Fort Worth area. I have never seen a Kentucky coach here in ten years.

West Point and Stanford (Jim Harbaugh) were present at the Hebron vs. Plano game on Friday night.

[EastSIDE]

I don't think Kentucky even recruits in the Dallas Fort Worth area. I have never seen a Kentucky coach here in ten years.

West Point and Stanford (Jim Harbaugh) were present at the Hebron vs. Plano game on Friday night.

I think Burkhead is from Lexington, KY, so may that is why the Kentucky comment