Water For Gas

[tayb]

Have any of you guys heard about this?

Here is the website. http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm.

I have seen a lot of videos online of people claiming it works, multiple news stations reporting it works, and several reviews online were recommending it but that doesn't really convince me.

Anyone know anything about this?

[Favpack]

The FTC's take is don't believe a word until we tell you so. Most of those deals are over-zealous marketers, and dumb TV stations eager to show "local" business people succeeding.

I personally think it's a sham.

[tayb]

The FTC's take is don't believe a word until we tell you so. Most of those deals are over-zealous marketers, and dumb TV stations eager to show "local" business people succeeding.

I personally think it's a sham.

I can't find any reliable sources confirming it either way. I would ere on the side of "FAKE" but you never know. Even if it was proven to work I wouldn't put it on my car because of the risk for long-term damage... but it would still be cool if it did.

[chhspantherfan]

here is the hydrogen car for a 5Atexasfootball poster
http://resource.bmwusa.com/image_c20311a8-7785-48ad-8234-6ba2997bfd3f.arox


http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Uniquely/FutureTechnologies/Hydrogen.aspx?enc=t0eBkkksaeOlO9zOt8gzADZCvgwlYpsT NlAXDAkk1+s=

[jrock210]

IDK how a car will run on water. Do you have to split the atom or something to make it work?

[chhspantherfan]

IDK how a car will run on water. Do you have to split the atom or something to make it work?

calling all engineers........calling all engineers.......:D

[tayb]

IDK how a car will run on water. Do you have to split the atom or something to make it work?

Trying to figure out how it works by reading some of the literature. Looks like you mix distilled water and a little baking soda in a vacuum and shock it with the 12v battery and it produces HHO gas which is applied to the engine intake manifold. The process appears to be very "low-tech" there is no splitting of atoms haha. You aren't really running your car off of water in any way the HHO gas just appears to work as a catalyst which sort of enables a "better burn" of the gasoline which makes it more efficient.

The more sites I read things about this the more I start to lean towards it being "real." One review goes so far to say that this system is worth it just because of how clean and cooler it keeps your engine.

Either this is one of the most elaborate scams with many third parties involved or it actually does work and can increase your gas mileage.

[jrock210]

Trying to figure out how it works by reading some of the literature. Looks like you mix distilled water and a little baking soda in a vacuum and shock it with the 12v battery and it produces HHO gas which is applied to the engine intake manifold. The process appears to be very "low-tech" there is no splitting of atoms haha. You aren't really running your car off of water in any way the HHO gas just appears to work as a catalyst which sort of enables a "better burn" of the gasoline which makes it more efficient.

The more sites I read things about this the more I start to lean towards it being "real." One review goes so far to say that this system is worth it just because of how clean and cooler it keeps your engine.

Either this is one of the most elaborate scams with many third parties involved or it actually does work and can increase your gas mileage.

Well when I heard about it I saw a video about it awhile back ago bt no one understood what they were talking about except our physics teacher. In her really bad Romanian accent she told us "Water will uhh run this car because atoms go split." Of course we thought it said ruin the car but who knows.

I'm leaning towards it being real also because ABC News did something on it which makes it pretty important or legit. I mean it's not like we're talking about Bigfoot here.

[LP04]

Water cars I had heard about all rly run on Hydrogen. The split H2O into Hydrogen and Oxygen and burns the Hydrogen for fuel or something like that. Dont know sounds kinda like they mixed real science with fake science.

Check out some of the Stuff Iceland is doing. They sit up the first Hydrogen fuel station a couple of years ago I think. They are doing some very interesting stuff there with using the earths own heat to make power. And its easier for them to expeirment on a nation wide scale then most places because they are so small.

[Favpack]

Last time I checked - it screws up your car immediately if water gets in your fuel line - but I'm no Richard Penske.

[hunterbunter]

GREAT where do I sign up? do I need to buy one of those water coolers?

[gtowndrumma]

its called electrolysis and it absolutely works.... One of my good friends converted an old lawnmower engine to run off of this. Look it up... its really an easy process to do, the hard part is turning it main stream

[svhorns]

this is real... cars could easily run on water with the correct plan to build it...

if Cars could run on water.. that would mean less control of the people... and that can't happen... for everything to work you have to have control of the citizens first...

there are hydrogen cars out there...

[Firebird]

ConsumerAffairs reports this one as a scam, and they actually have several real scientists talking about it:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/07/water4gas.html

This stuff can't stay secret. If it really worked, you wouldn't have to ask the question.

[chhspantherfan]

that is exactly why i posted the BMW link, Fiirebird. The technology is there but not in a mason jar from a snake oil salesman.

Hartsfield Airport is also running buses on HHT engines. But once again, not this mason jar kind.

There is plenty of research and testing going on, just not in a mason jar;)

If you want to read about a really cool application, read this

http://www.hydrogencontest.org/pdf/design_ohio.pdf

[svhorns]

ConsumerAffairs reports this one as a scam, and they actually have several real scientists talking about it:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/07/water4gas.html

This stuff can't stay secret. If it really worked, you wouldn't have to ask the question.

huh???

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/12/20_car.shtml

this was out in 2005.... hydrogen car = real

[Firebird]

huh???

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/12/20_car.shtml

this was out in 2005.... there are hydrogen cars...

That would be relevant if this device made your car run on hydrogen. It does not, it is a "hydrogen booster" alleged to improve your gas mileage by creating hydrogen through baking soda and water, running off of your car battery.

[mojotrain]

In a contained system, where a hydro carbon fuel is used, if you can inject steam into the fuel mixture just at the combustion point then the burning of the fuel will increase energy released. and minimize smoke (HYDROCARBONS/polution) by simply burning it up. IMO at the point of burn it also is much, MUCH hotter.

Zillions of dollars have been spent in research to enable oil companys to offer fuels containing very low ppm H2O. There has been a reason for the need of dry fuel.

The devise may work, but lower fuel cost in this case could lead to a damp fuse someplace else.

If anyone trys it, I suggest you run your engine on gas only the last few minutes of any trip to purge the system clean of moisture.

[KT2000]

If you turn your head quick enough, you can see your ears.

Hint- you have to sneak up.

[Firebird]

If you turn your head quick enough, you can see your ears.

Hint- you have to sneak up.

And if we eliminate daylight savings time, we can stop global warming. Fewer hours of daylight= less time for the sun to heat the earth.

Of course, the environmental movement doesn't want you to know about this. They want us to completely change our lifestyle.

[jrock210]

If you turn your head quick enough, you can see your ears.

Hint- you have to sneak up.

It doesn't work!

[the_phoenix612]

oxyhydrogen (HHO) was originally used as a welding gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6YYUOx6fBU
this device supposedly electrolyses(sp?) the water into HHO, a combustible gas.

if it does what it says it does, it would work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9iWaCMbw60

[stevefoxsc]

it uses the hydrogen from the water and it does work, no one really supported it to much so its been passed off. Therer are actually many alternative fuel sources that are found in every day use. But again no one really buys into it.

[cougmantx]

Water cars I had heard about all rly run on Hydrogen. The split H2O into Hydrogen and Oxygen and burns the Hydrogen for fuel or something like that. Dont know sounds kinda like they mixed real science with fake science.

Check out some of the Stuff Iceland is doing. They sit up the first Hydrogen fuel station a couple of years ago I think. They are doing some very interesting stuff there with using the earths own heat to make power. And its easier for them to expeirment on a nation wide scale then most places because they are so small.

I lived in Keflavick, Iceland for a year and they have a massive hydro electric program going that diverts and entire river through a mountain and turbines to generate power. They also have more thermo/steam power then any other country in the world. When I was there several valcano erupted and formed new islands off the coast. Very cool place to see but very expensive.

[the_phoenix612]

it uses the hydrogen from the water and it does work, no one really supported it to much so its been passed off. Therer are actually many alternative fuel sources that are found in every day use. But again no one really buys into it.

no it doesnt.

it uses HHO.

Not H2 and O.

Not H2O.

HHO. its a separate chemical.

its used as a welding gas initially.

[Firebird]

Let's use your brains here for a second. Right now American car makers are losing billions of dollars as we speak as unwanted SUVs and trucks pile up on dealer lots. If the technology was really effective and available and as cheap as they say, why wouldn't the boys up at Ford, GM, and Chrysler outfitting their gas guzzlers with it to lure people back to the lots? Are they in such deep cahoots with big oil that they are willing to bankrupt themselves? Why have you not heard one or the other political candidate tout this sort of technology as a solution to the energy crisis?

Because it doesn't work. It's a scam. Hydrogen powered cars are not far-fetched, but creating a bit of HHO in a mason jar is not going to make a dime's worth of difference to your bill at the pump.

[the_phoenix612]

Let's use your brains here for a second. Right now American car makers are losing billions of dollars as we speak as unwanted SUVs and trucks pile up on dealer lots. If the technology was really effective and available and as cheap as they say, why wouldn't the boys up at Ford, GM, and Chrysler outfitting their gas guzzlers with it to lure people back to the lots? Are they in such deep cahoots with big oil that they are willing to bankrupt themselves? Why have you not heard one or the other political candidate tout this sort of technology as a solution to the energy crisis?

Because it doesn't work. It's a scam. Hydrogen powered cars are not far-fetched, but creating a bit of HHO in a mason jar is not going to make a dime's worth of difference to your bill at the pump.

that may be so.

it is a fact, though, that HHO is a potential fuel source, and can be created from nothing but water and electricity.
the only question i would have is how energy efficient the electrolysis process is, in terms of energy out v. energy in.

[Firebird]

that may be so.

it is a fact, though, that HHO is a potential fuel source, and can be created from nothing but water and electricity.
the only question i would have is how energy efficient the electrolysis process is, in terms of energy out v. energy in.

It can put out no more energy than your car battery or alternator puts in.....

[tayb]

It can put out no more energy than your car battery or alternator puts in.....

It is technically supposed to allow your fuel to burn more efficiently thus increasing your gas mileage. I relegate this similar to the "buy gas in the morning" myth.

[the_phoenix612]

It can put out no more energy than your car battery or alternator puts in.....

can it?

is the heat generated by the combustion of HHO less than the energy in electricity needed to produce it?

[the_phoenix612]

It is technically supposed to allow your fuel to burn more efficiently thus increasing your gas mileage. I relegate this similar to the "buy gas in the morning" myth.

no, its supposed to burn along WITH your gas.

it would be like injecting hydrogen in, it combusts and creates higher piston pressure, increasing horsepower, increasing gas mileage since it doesnt take extra gas

[Firebird]

can it?

is the heat generated by the combustion of HHO less than the energy in electricity needed to produce it?

It cannot be MORE.........You study science, you should know this....

[the_phoenix612]

can it?

is the heat generated by the combustion of HHO less than the energy in electricity needed to produce it?

It cannot be MORE.........You study science, you should know this....

yes, it CAN.

similar to how refining petroleum into gas improves its efficiency.

[Firebird]

no, its supposed to burn along WITH your gas.

it would be like injecting hydrogen in, it combusts and creates higher piston pressure, increasing horsepower, increasing gas mileage since it doesnt take extra gas

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4276846.html?series=19