Logos

[WoodzDad]

Why do some schools get to copy logos from colleges and pros unnoticed, but others have to change. Wisconsin made The Woodlands change it's logo, but a blue copy of it is okay for a Ft Worth school? You see SMU ponies, Green Bay G's, and Denver broncos that go unchallenged. What's up with that? It is just a matter of time?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/44/443550m.jpg
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/57/575871.gif

[wesaxman34]

I've been wondering the same thing. :confused:

[wesaxman34]

My favorite is New Caney's:

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/N/NewCaney.gif

North Carolina, Texas?...:rolleyes:

[DrEdward]

Why do some schools get to copy logos from colleges and pros unnoticed, but others have to change. Wisconsin made The Woodlands change it's logo, but a blue copy of it is okay for a Ft Worth school? You see SMU ponies, Green Bay G's, and Denver broncos that go unchallenged. What's up with that? It is just a matter of time?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/44/443550m.jpg
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/57/575871.gif

It is up to the university holding the trademark and/or copyright to defend such. In the case of Wisconsin, there are two possibilities: (1) the fact that it is blue rather than their Wisconsin red makes it less of a clear cut violation and, at least, a lesser substitute for merchandise sold by the University of Wisconsin at Madison; (2) it has not yet come to the attention of the University. If the later, this posting my do it.

[Spartan1]

Seven Lakes is catching heat on theirs. San Jose State.

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/K/KatySevenLakes.gif

[atwelljroc]

It is up to the university holding the trademark and/or copyright to defend such. In the case of Wisconsin, there are two possibilities: (1) the fact that it is blue rather than their Wisconsin red makes it less of a clear cut violation and, at least, a lesser substitute for merchandise sold by the University of Wisconsin at Madison; (2) it has not yet come to the attention of the University. If the later, this posting my do it.

Honestly...who cares??? colleges should be proud that their logo is being used...it usually means that their program is "worth a hill of beans"...so tell the colleges to get off their high horses and get over it...

[wesaxman34]

These logos from my region seem to be pushing it as well:p...


South Grand Prairie
http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/S/SouthGrandPrairie.gif
Allen Eagles
http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/A/Allen.gif

[DrEdward]

Honestly...who cares??? colleges should be proud that their logo is being used...it usually means that their program is "worth a hill of beans"...so tell the colleges to get off their high horses and get over it...

University logos are worth a pile of dollars to their schools in merchadise sales alone. For major schools, it can readily amount to millions a year. Universities most decidedly care about that kind of money and one can hardly blame them for doing so, even if it does seem petty to some of us for them to come after high schools. But the copyright/trademark laws are what they are, and the trademark must be defended or rights to its exclusive use and the revenues derived therefrom can be forfeit.

[atwelljroc]

University logos are worth a pile of dollars to their schools in merchadise sales alone. For major schools, it can readily amount to millions a year. Universities most decidedly care about that kind of money and one can hardly blame them for doing so, even if it does seem petty to some of us for them to come after high schools. But the copyright/trademark laws are what they are, and the trademark must be defended or rights to its exclusive use and the revenues derived therefrom can be forfeit.


It's all about the "mighty dollar"...that is why pro sports have really just become a business...it is not about the sport and wanting to play, that is why high school sport's are still the BEST...

[DrEdward]

It's all about the "mighty dollar"...that is why pro sports have really just become a business...it is not about the sport and wanting to play, that is why high school sport's are still the BEST...

It is now happening at the high school level as well. That is one reason why I am "worried" about the increasing number of high school games being broadcast. While I appreciate being able to see the games, it is inevitably leading to the increased commercialization of high school sports, especially football. Given the school budgets, the pressure to find more sources of revenues becomes ever greater. But I agree that high school sports are still far and away "the best."

[Spartan1]

University logos are worth a pile of dollars to their schools in merchadise sales alone. For major schools, it can readily amount to millions a year. Universities most decidedly care about that kind of money and one can hardly blame them for doing so, even if it does seem petty to some of us for them to come after high schools. But the copyright/trademark laws are what they are, and the trademark must be defended or rights to its exclusive use and the revenues derived therefrom can be forfeit.

Agreed, copyright/trademark laws exist for a reason, but should San Jose State's merchandise sales be threatened that much in Katy, Texas?
I think it mostly has to do with bored attorneys!:(

[DrEdward]

Agreed, copyright/trademark laws exist for a reason, but should San Jose State's merchandise sales be threatened that much in Katy, Texas?
I think it mostly has to do with bored attorneys!:(

I can understand and nod in agreement. And attorneys are not my favorite types either. But suppose a company makes the merchandise for Seven Lakes in Katy and decides it would be a good idea to market the shirts and hats on line. Those are perfectly good substitutes for what San Jose State is selling and/or getting paid royalties on for use of their logo. I doubt that is major bucks in that case, but......

[dada]

This team looks like another Houston area team:
http://www.stampeders.com/team/player_roster/

[rodjohns]

The good news for the Klein Bearkats is not to many Colleges would even dream of being a Bearkat and if they are they do not care who uses the logo...

Here is a pic of the real Bearkat:

"U.G.L.Y. You aint got no alibi your ugly"

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/30/bearcat1_wideweb__470x320,0.jpg

[dada]

The good news for the Klein Bearkats is not to many Colleges would even dream of being a Bearkat and if they are they do not care who uses the logo...

Here is a pic of the real Bearkat:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/30/bearcat1_wideweb__470x320,0.jpg

El Chupacabra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rodjohns]

El Chupacabra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a pic of a Chupacabra...:

http://www.austinprobe.com/images/chupacabra.jpg

[Fleeman93]

I have a question about the logo deal. Had the Woodlands changed something on the W as in adding a word or a stripe or something to it, would that have been enough to shut Wisconsin up?

[wesaxman34]

The good news for the Klein Bearkats is not to many Colleges would even dream of being a Bearkat and if they are they do not care who uses the logo...

Here is a pic of the real Bearkat:

"U.G.L.Y. You aint got no alibi your ugly"

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/30/bearcat1_wideweb__470x320,0.jpg

Only Cincy....

1983-1989
http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/30/642/full/7483.gif

Present

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/9/9c/C-paw.gif

[SaRattlerFan]

I bet Al Davis would file suit right away if he knew Canyon Randall is using this helmet.

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/C/CanyonRandall.gif

I read that Washington St. forced Abiliene Cooper to change their logo.

[rodjohns]

Only Cincy....

1983-1989
http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/30/642/full/7483.gif

Present

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/9/9c/C-paw.gif

Cincy is Bearcat with a C Klein is Bearkat with a K....

Sam Houston is Bearkat with a K...

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

This team looks like another Houston area team:
http://www.stampeders.com/team/player_roster/

North Shore!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Why do some schools get to copy logos from colleges and pros unnoticed, but others have to change. Wisconsin made The Woodlands change it's logo, but a blue copy of it is okay for a Ft Worth school? You see SMU ponies, Green Bay G's, and Denver broncos that go unchallenged. What's up with that? It is just a matter of time?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/44/443550m.jpg
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/57/575871.gif

That Fort Worth school that you're referring to is OD Wyatt! As long as there is a Criss coaching the Chaps, they'll be wearing that logo....until Wisconsin goes after them that is.

[rodjohns]

I bet Al Davis would file suit right away if he knew Canyon Randall is using this helmet.

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/C/CanyonRandall.gif

I read that Washington St. forced Abiliene Cooper to change their logo.

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/oaklandraiders_2011_13702434

here is a Mini helmet from the Oakland Raiders website:

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/oaklandraiders_2011_13702434

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I bet Al Davis would file suit right away if he knew Canyon Randall is using this helmet.

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/C/CanyonRandall.gif
.

Wouldn't doubt it! Randall has been using that look for quite awhile now.

[rodjohns]

North Shore!

t1

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

or Westfield

I forgot about Westfield as well. For a couple of years, Westfield just had the black helmet with the players' number in red on their helmets, as well as the old school Denver Bronco when they went to the championship game against Tyler Lee.

[Firebird]

One reason colleges are so aggressive in going after high schools using their logos is quality control. Any small businessman should be able to sympathize. That logo is the face of the school and when you see it plastered on something, you think of the university. You can't let it get slapped on things that you don't see and approve. At the high school level, one of the main problems is quality. Many booster club shirts are cheaply done, sometimes they have spelling errors on them, etc. No university wants people walking around with el-cheapo t-shirts and a university logo, because it looks bad.

You also have to remember that if it comes to the attention a school, you have to take action or else you risk letting it go into the public domain. With a school like UT or A&M, there are all kinds of businesses that would love to use school logos in marketing. You can't pick and choose who can use your logo and who cannot use your logo without authorization. Much of the time, the college doesn't really care if a high school has a similar looking tiger on its football helment. The problem is that if you are aware of the infringement and don't do anything about it, you lose legal standing to complain when Big Daddy's Strip Bar and Bait Shop starts using it on their promotional materials. If they can prove you knew of earlier violations and did nothing, then you basically give your approval to everyone to use it.

[SaRattlerFan]

Here are few more candidates the rich pockets will go after.

SA Harlandale
http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/S/SanAntonioHarlandale.gif
Terrell
http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/T/Terrell.gif

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

One reason colleges are so aggressive in going after high schools using their logos is quality control. Any small businessman should be able to sympathize. That logo is the face of the school and when you see it plastered on something, you think of the university. You can't let it get slapped on things that you don't see and approve. At the high school level, one of the main problems is quality. Many booster club shirts are cheaply done, sometimes they have spelling errors on them, etc. No university wants people walking around with el-cheapo t-shirts and a university logo, because it looks bad.

You also have to remember that if it comes to the attention a school, you have to take action or else you risk letting it go into the public domain. With a school like UT or A&M, there are all kinds of businesses that would love to use school logos in marketing. You can't pick and choose who can use your logo and who cannot use your logo without authorization. Much of the time, the college doesn't really care if a high school has a similar looking tiger on its football helment. The problem is that if you are aware of the infringement and don't do anything about it, you lose legal standing to complain when Big Daddy's Strip Bar and Bait Shop starts using it on their promotional materials. If they can prove you knew of earlier violations and did nothing, then you basically give your approval to everyone to use it.

I never thought about it like that.

I do that Coach McCoy and the Graham Steers are now using the UT-Longhorn logo on their helmets, and in the middle of the Steers homefield.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Here are few more candidates the rich pockets will go after.

SA Harlandale
http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/S/SanAntonioHarlandale.gif
Terrell
http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/T/Terrell.gif

Trimble Tech here in Fort Worth also uses the Texas Tech "double T".

[twcpfan1]

I have a question about the logo deal. Had the Woodlands changed something on the W as in adding a word or a stripe or something to it, would that have been enough to shut Wisconsin up?

They tried taking the block off the middle and make it pointy. Wisconsin still said no can do.

[Fleeman93]

They tried taking the block off the middle and make it pointy. Wisconsin still said no can do.

See I don't understand that. If it isn't their logo then it isn't their logo. If the Woodlands would have made the change as you said then at that point it wouldn't have been Wisconsin's logo anymore right?

[WoodzDad]

How about a corporate logo.

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/K/KleinOak.gif

http://www.wagnerflyfish.com/images/Oakley_logo2.gif

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

How about a corporate logo.

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/K/KleinOak.gif

http://www.wagnerflyfish.com/images/Oakley_logo2.gif

I believe Mineral Wells is using the Dodge Ram logo.

[rodjohns]

How about a corporate logo.

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/K/KleinOak.gif

http://www.wagnerflyfish.com/images/Oakley_logo2.gif

Go get em Woodzdad...I like when I am not the only one going after my Oakies!!!

[rodjohns]

They tried taking the block off the middle and make it pointy. Wisconsin still said no can do.

So what does the official Woodlands Highlanders logo on the helmet look like?

[twcpfan1]

See I don't understand that. If it isn't their logo then it isn't their logo. If the Woodlands would have made the change as you said then at that point it wouldn't have been Wisconsin's logo anymore right?

I guess it went to arbitration and Wisconsin won. Hence the new logos like in WoodzDad's avatar.

[Fleeman93]

I guess it went to arbitration and Wisconsin won. Hence the new logos like in WoodzDad's avatar.


Do you know what I am saying though? If I were an arbitrator and someone laid down two images and one was different then the other then it would be a no brainer for me.

[WoodzDad]

Go get em Woodzdad...I like when I am not the only one going after my Oakies!!!

Just want to be fair minded here and help out all those less fortunate lawyers out there with nothing better to do. :D

Saw a billboard on 10 coming back from a camp. WE SUE LAWYERS with a Houston phone number. They should be doing a good business right?

[Fleeman93]

When did Dobie change from the Texas Longhorn to the D (just saw it on the helmet website).

[THE 300]

Why do some schools get to copy logos from colleges and pros unnoticed, but others have to change. Wisconsin made The Woodlands change it's logo, but a blue copy of it is okay for a Ft Worth school? You see SMU ponies, Green Bay G's, and Denver broncos that go unchallenged. What's up with that? It is just a matter of time?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/44/443550m.jpg
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/57/575871.gif

OK so how about all of the peewee teams that use the uniform of the Cowboys, Packers, Broncos, Steelers etc? I guess their parents buy the real stuff form the NFL so that is OK.

How about fight songs? I swear, I hear "On Wisconsin at least four times a year!

[WoodzDad]

OK so how about all of the peewee teams that use the uniform of the Cowboys, Packers, Broncos, Steelers etc? I guess their parents buy the real stuff form the NFL so that is OK.


Our local jr. football league buys NFL licensed decals. I believe they fought that battle years ago.

[twhfan#1]

I guess it went to arbitration and Wisconsin won. Hence the new logos like in WoodzDad's avatar.

didnt go to arbitration --- CISD didnt want to spend any $ on any legal fight & told TWH to change --- that is what usually happens --- most districts rightly so cant justify spending tax $ on something like a logo

[TWHSDad]

It does seem to be a total waste, rather than fighting the issue (colleges employing people to protect their brand), why don't they publish acceptable use guidelines such as:

can be used by any High School (only) and under the following conditions:
- School is more than 500 miles from the college campus
- School has received cross promotional approval where each school must reference the owning college program

This would allow them to keep separate and distinct brand and promote their college. In the case of TWHS, why would Wisconsin set up a 'sister' high school program where they would recruit and educate TWHS students on the virtues of Wisconsin to gain more qualified out of state students....

Rather than look at the glass half full, we should throw it on them! :D

[WoodzDad]

http://logo.szuper.info.hu/pic/logo/w/wisconsin_badgers_80305.jpg http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/image.php?u=6059&dateline=1189853098

Highlanders W didn't have a middle block -- had a point -- was pretty close other than that. You decide...

Washington Huskies next?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31iyLwHf9pL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[slorch]

Our local jr. football league buys NFL licensed decals. I believe they fought that battle years ago.

yup South County uses exclusively NFL nicknames on the youth teams. Some of the coaches will deviate from the color schemes like using a black helmet with orange stripes for the Bengals( Looked really cool BTW:D) and stuff like that, but they use the NFL team logos.

[slorch]

http://logo.szuper.info.hu/pic/logo/w/wisconsin_badgers_80305.jpg http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/image.php?u=6059&dateline=1189853098

Highlanders W didn't have a middle block -- had a point -- was pretty close other than that. You decide...

Washington Huskies next?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31iyLwHf9pL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

IMO, TWHS needs something a little more exciting than the plain block W. i still prefer the logo withe the Highlander using his sword. they have a bad_$$ mascot and a blah helmet. I understand the "classic" look, but to me it might as well just say "Football" on their helmets with the current set up.

[TWHSDad]

IMO, TWHS needs something a little more exciting than the plain block W. i still prefer the logo withe the Highlander using his sword. they have a bad_$$ mascot and a blah helmet. I understand the "classic" look, but to me it might as well just say "Football" on their helmets with the current set up.

:laugh

[DrEdward]

OK so how about all of the peewee teams that use the uniform of the Cowboys, Packers, Broncos, Steelers etc? I guess their parents buy the real stuff form the NFL so that is OK.

How about fight songs? I swear, I hear "On Wisconsin at least four times a year!

Most of those songs have long ago passed into the public domain.

[saMavsFan]

One thing I will say is that The Woodlands is a nationally recognized school, and not just for football or athletics period. You excel and you draw attention to yourself. I'd take it as a compliment. Besides, I've always thought people from Wisconsin were a little weird.;)

[twhfan#1]

It does seem to be a total waste, rather than fighting the issue (colleges employing people to protect their brand), why don't they publish acceptable use guidelines such as:

can be used by any High School (only) and under the following conditions:
- School is more than 500 miles from the college campus
- School has received cross promotional approval where each school must reference the owning college program

This would allow them to keep separate and distinct brand and promote their college. In the case of TWHS, why would Wisconsin set up a 'sister' high school program where they would recruit and educate TWHS students on the virtues of Wisconsin to gain more qualified out of state students....

Rather than look at the glass half full, we should throw it on them! :D

You know --- that makes perfect sense

wont happen though --- what are you trying to do --- put some lawyer out of business ??????????

seriously -- when the original logo was designed --- one of the TWH backers ( who happens to be one of the outstanding criminal lawyers in Houston ) read the copyright laws & thought that the Woodlands "pointed" W looked OK to him ---- goes to show you that one lawyer cancels out another

[slorch]

You know --- that makes perfect sense

wont happen though --- what are you trying to do --- put some lawyer out of business ??????????

seriously -- when the original logo was designed --- one of the TWH backers ( who happens to be one of the outstanding criminal lawyers in Houston ) read the copyright laws & thought that the Woodlands "pointed" W looked OK to him ---- goes to show you that one lawyer cancels out another

we should be so lucky...:rolleyes:

[slorch]

speaking of borrowing from others...

I give you Van Horn
http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/V/VanHorn.gif

[Magellan]

Without reading everyone's posts (I read most of them), the answer boils down to $$$ and timing.
For example, Wisconsin's logo was trademarked before TWHS was even TWHS. So, Wisconsin was able to sue for trademark infringement. Where, at the same time, Westfield (just down the road) uses the same logo, but has used it since before UW trademarked it, but uses the Broncos logo on their football helmets (after the NFL trademarked it... the NFL doesn't even do a reveal until after they have trademarked every possible version).
Regardless, usually the solution is only a licensing fee away.
Especially if you have a contract for someone like Nike, Under Armour, or Reebok to supply the uniforms at no cost to the school. And, when you look at a lot of school's uniforms, you can tell those aren't being bought through the district or a booster club- when there are 3 colors of jerseys and and 3 pants, that's not district money... no matter how much money that district or the parents have.

[dada]

speaking of borrowing from others...

I give you Van Horn
http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/V/VanHorn.gif
Wow.....that's a first....lol...I wonder if any team uses the Wu-Tang Clans logo

[BDB]

Wow.....that's a first....lol...I wonder if any team uses the Wu-Tang Clans logo

i would say inform the woodlands, but knowing wu-tang they would want them to change their fight song to C.R.E.A.M (that would be ironic)

[dada]

i would say inform the woodlands, but knowing wu-tang they would want them to change their fight song to C.R.E.A.M (that would be ironic)

:notworthy

[jbusch]

It's all about the "mighty dollar"...that is why pro sports have really just become a business...it is not about the sport and wanting to play, that is why high school sport's are still the BEST...

If the "mighty dollar" is evil to you , please send me some of your most evil ones, I can probably rehabilitate them

[Magellan]

If the "mighty dollar" is evil to you , please send me some of your most evil ones, I can probably rehabilitate them

Forget rehab. I'll show them who's boss and turn them into Cowboys tickets!!! That'll show 'em!

[78 Spartan]

Sounds like this might present a next line of work for ex-politician ambulance chaser John Edwards.

I've been waiting for SMU to sue Ford Motor Company into bankruptcy over the Mustang logo. Too bad, we've waited so long that all US automakers are broke anyway.

[jbusch]

Forget rehab. I'll show them who's boss and turn them into Cowboys tickets!!! That'll show 'em! I don't think there is enough money on this web site to buy 4 season tickets ( and License ) on the 50 yard line

[cougardude]

I bet Al Davis would file suit right away if he knew Canyon Randall is using this helmet.

http://www.txhshelmetproject.com/TexasHighSchools/C/CanyonRandall.gif

I read that Washington St. forced Abiliene Cooper to change their logo.

Yep, Cooper has to quit using the logo that they were using because it looked very much like Washington State's. Cooper's new and copyrighted logo looks a lot sharper anyway! It's the one I use as my avatar.

GO COOGS!!

[TWHSDad]

we should be so lucky...:rolleyes:
:eek:
:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[Stormy]

Didn't 2A Schulenburg have some problem with the Superman S logo a few years back and had to change it? Seems like I remember some controversy about that.

[twhfan#1]

Didn't 2A Schulenburg have some problem with the Superman S logo a few years back and had to change it? Seems like I remember some controversy about that.

I remember that also -- dont remember when it was though

[Stormy]

I think it was in the mid to late 90's when they were making runs to the title game every year. Seems Disney or whoever had the trademark rights to the Superman S wanted some crazy sum of money, way up in the hundreds of thousands, to let them keep using it. That is what I remember of the story, can anyone else fill us in on what exactly happened and what became of it?

[DrEdward]

Didn't 2A Schulenburg have some problem with the Superman S logo a few years back and had to change it? Seems like I remember some controversy about that.

Strawn had a problem with using the Superman S logo on a tee shirt. Marvel Comics (I think) got really hacked off about it and threatened a suit immediately. I believe that Strawn dropped the sales of the shirts immediately and then changed the appearance on their subsequent offerings.

[AHSeagles]

Strawn had a problem with using the Superman S logo on a tee shirt. Marvel Comics (I think) got really hacked off about it and threatened a suit immediately. I believe that Strawn dropped the sales of the shirts immediately and then changed the appearance on their subsequent offerings.

the Snyder Tigers use the Superman S logo on their helmets, but I haven't heard any complaining about anyone making them change their logo.

[Skyline_Raider07]

I believe Mineral Wells is using the Dodge Ram logo.

so does Richardson Berkner

[DrEdward]

the Snyder Tigers use the Superman S logo on their helmets, but I haven't heard any complaining about anyone making them change their logo.

Maybe no one will notice.

[dada]

Maybe no one will notice.

Same thing the woman who payed $50,000 to have her dog cloned thought.:D

[DrEdward]

Same think the woman who payed $50,000 to have her dog cloned thought.:D

Amazing where one can find parallels in life, isn't it? :cool: