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WOS87
08-06-2008, 11:59 PM
I made a similar list for 3A and received a request to do the same for 5A so here ya go...
There are currently 24 programs in the 5A classification that have played for a state title but have never won one. Which of the following will be the first to finally get the prize?
1. Smithson Valley - lost in 3 State Finals, 2 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
2. New Braunfels - lost in 2 State Finals, 7 Semifinals and 3 Quarterfinals
3. Baytown Lee - lost in 2 State Finals, 5 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
4. Tomball - lost in 2 State Finals and 2 Quarterfinals
5. Fort Bend Dulles - lost in 2 State Finals and 2 Quarterfinals
6. Copperas Cove - lost in 2 State Finals and 1 Quarterfinal
7. Pharr-San Juan-Alamo - lost in 2 State Finals
8. Pflugerville - lost in 2 State Finals
9. Aldine Eisenhower - lost in 1 State Final, 5 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
10. Arlington Lamar - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 4 Quarterfinals
11. San Antonio MacArthur - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
12. Klein - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 1 Quarterfinal
13. Spring Westfield - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 4 Quarterfinals
14. San Antonio Taft - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 2 Quarterfinals
15. San Antonio Marshall - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 2 Quarterfinals
16. The Woodlands - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 1 Quarterfinal
17. Hurst Bell - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Semifinal
18. Alief Hastings - lost in 1 State Final and 4 Quarterfinals
19. Cypress Falls - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
20. Aldine MacArthur - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
21. Baytown Sterling - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
22. Spring Branch Memorial - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
23. Midland High - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
24. Pasadena High - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
I made a similar list for 3A and received a request to do the same for 5A so here ya go...
There are currently 24 programs in the 5A classification that have played for a state title but have never won one. Which of the following will be the first to finally get the prize?
1. Smithson Valley - lost in 3 State Finals, 2 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
2. New Braunfels - lost in 2 State Finals, 7 Semifinals and 3 Quarterfinals
3. Baytown Lee - lost in 2 State Finals, 5 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
4. Tomball - lost in 2 State Finals and 2 Quarterfinals
5. Fort Bend Dulles - lost in 2 State Finals and 2 Quarterfinals
6. Copperas Cove - lost in 2 State Finals and 1 Quarterfinal
7. Pharr-San Juan-Alamo - lost in 2 State Finals
8. Pflugerville - lost in 2 State Finals
9. Aldine Eisenhower - lost in 1 State Final, 5 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
10. Arlington Lamar - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 4 Quarterfinals
11. San Antonio MacArthur - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
12. Klein - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 1 Quarterfinal
13. Spring Westfield - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 4 Quarterfinals
14. San Antonio Taft - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 2 Quarterfinals
15. San Antonio Marshall - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 2 Quarterfinals
16. The Woodlands - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 1 Quarterfinal
17. Hurst Bell - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Semifinal
18. Alief Hastings - lost in 1 State Final and 4 Quarterfinals
19. Cypress Falls - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
20. Aldine MacArthur - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
21. Baytown Sterling - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
22. Spring Branch Memorial - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
23. Midland High - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
24. Pasadena High - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
Im almost certine New Braunsfels has won state it might have been in 4a though
I'd say either Cy Falls or Pflugerville. Pflugerville's could come as early as 2008, and Falls within the next 4 years.
WOS87
08-07-2008, 01:13 AM
Im almost certine New Braunsfels has won state it might have been in 4a though
Nope... they lost to Monahans in the 1A finals in 1948 and to Texarkana in the 4A D1 finals in 2002.
Semifinal losses were to:
Wharton in the 1950 1A Semis
Willowridge in the 1982 4A Semis
Bay City in the 1983 4A Semis
Tomball in the 1985 4A Semis
West Orange-Stark in the 1986 4A Semis
Alief Hastings in the 1997 5A D2 Semis
and most recently to Lamar Consolidated in the 2007 4A D1 Semis.
Nope... they lost to Monahans in the 1A finals in 1948 and to Texarkana in the 4A D1 finals in 2002.
Semifinal losses were to:
Wharton in the 1950 1A Semis
Willowridge in the 1982 4A Semis
Bay City in the 1983 4A Semis
Tomball in the 1985 4A Semis
West Orange-Stark in the 1986 4A Semis
Alief Hastings in the 1997 5A D2 Semis
and most recently to Lamar Consolidated in the 2007 4A D1 Semis.
It must have been in another sport because every time I drive by the field I see the state champs on the back of their football stadium
toonman
08-07-2008, 07:56 AM
We now have a 'Buffalo Bills' of Texas 5A Football.
wesaxman34
08-07-2008, 08:28 AM
If I could only choose one, I would have to go with Pflugerville. Out of the traditional powerhouses listed, I think they have a better shot of winning now.
It must have been in another sport because every time I drive by the field I see the state champs on the back of their football stadium
I think those might be for Volleyball, Track, or Baseball.
:confused:
bowiedawgs01
08-07-2008, 09:17 AM
NB won a baseball title in 2006.
WOS87
08-07-2008, 09:54 AM
It's interesting how few DFW area teams are on that list... I suppose it's because if a DFW team makes it to a final, they win the game the majority of the time
13 are from the Greater Houston Area
7 are from the Greater San Antonio and Greater Austin Areas
2 are from DFW (both in Tarrant County)
1 from West Texas
1 from the Valley
tomlandryjrhigh
08-07-2008, 10:08 AM
I remember Pflugerville beating us last year...one more vote for Pflugerville!
BandidoNB
08-07-2008, 03:02 PM
It must have been in another sport because every time I drive by the field I see the state champs on the back of their football stadium
WOS is right; we have never won a football state championship; the one you probably saw was the baseball one that NB won in 2006. Man, if NB would have ever won a football title im sure we'd have it on a billboard somewhere :D
Favpack
08-07-2008, 03:05 PM
Abilene Cooper has lost two state finals in the largest classification - a 4A and a 5A. I don't know about semi's or other losses.
atwelljroc
08-07-2008, 04:17 PM
I made a similar list for 3A and received a request to do the same for 5A so here ya go...
There are currently 24 programs in the 5A classification that have played for a state title but have never won one. Which of the following will be the first to finally get the prize?
1. Smithson Valley - lost in 3 State Finals, 2 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
2. New Braunfels - lost in 2 State Finals, 7 Semifinals and 3 Quarterfinals
3. Baytown Lee - lost in 2 State Finals, 5 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
4. Tomball - lost in 2 State Finals and 2 Quarterfinals
5. Fort Bend Dulles - lost in 2 State Finals and 2 Quarterfinals
6. Copperas Cove - lost in 2 State Finals and 1 Quarterfinal
7. Pharr-San Juan-Alamo - lost in 2 State Finals
8. Pflugerville - lost in 2 State Finals
9. Aldine Eisenhower - lost in 1 State Final, 5 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
10. Arlington Lamar - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 4 Quarterfinals
11. San Antonio MacArthur - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 2 Quarterfinals
12. Klein - lost in 1 State Final, 2 Semifinals and 1 Quarterfinal
13. Spring Westfield - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 4 Quarterfinals
14. San Antonio Taft - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 2 Quarterfinals
15. San Antonio Marshall - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 2 Quarterfinals
16. The Woodlands - lost in 1 State Final, 1 Semifinal and 1 Quarterfinal
17. Hurst Bell - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Semifinal
18. Alief Hastings - lost in 1 State Final and 4 Quarterfinals
19. Cypress Falls - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
20. Aldine MacArthur - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
21. Baytown Sterling - lost in 1 State Final and 2 Quarterfinals
22. Spring Branch Memorial - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
23. Midland High - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
24. Pasadena High - lost in 1 State Final and 1 Quarterfinal
I go with SV, then Spring Westfield, Pfluggerville, then New Braunfels...all have strong coaching and strong roots...:D:D
shooter
08-07-2008, 07:36 PM
Amazingly the top two schools are seperated by about 20miles.
WOS87
08-07-2008, 07:41 PM
Abilene Cooper has lost two state finals in the largest classification - a 4A and a 5A. I don't know about semi's or other losses.
Cooper would be up there except that it is a list of current 5A programs
BandidoNB
08-07-2008, 07:44 PM
Amazingly the top two schools are seperated by about 20miles.
Comal county bridesmades.. thats what im talking about :cool:
caesarscott
08-07-2008, 07:47 PM
who needs a ring when you've got Schlitterbahn?
DiamondJ2
08-07-2008, 08:09 PM
who needs a ring when you've got Schlitterbahn?
#1 waterpark in the world. Great place.
WOS87
08-07-2008, 11:16 PM
#1 waterpark in the world. Great place.
My nephew is currently staying with me and helping me out with an upcoming move and just returned from the NEW Schlitterbahn in Galveston.... connected with Moody Gardens... from what he's told me it cannot compare with the original, which is what I kinda expected as there is no river on Galveston Island on which to go tubing...
saMavsFan
08-08-2008, 07:45 AM
How about most times getting to the quarterfinals and losing...I've experienced this at Madison first hand.:(
78 Spartan
08-08-2008, 09:25 PM
It's interesting how few DFW area teams are on that list... I suppose it's because if a DFW team makes it to a final, they win the game the majority of the time
13 are from the Greater Houston Area
7 are from the Greater San Antonio and Greater Austin Areas
2 are from DFW (both in Tarrant County)
1 from West Texas
1 from the Valley
Are you sure it isn't because the same DFW teams tend to make it to the finals often enough to win it? That they get more chances to get their names off the list? Whereas the Houston area tends not to create the same dynastic situations?
Not to ask the Master to stay awake all night responding to yet another statistical query, but I wonder if you could confirm my alternate hypothesis that Houston area tends to produce a larger number of finalists, each of which tends to get there less often than the DFW entries? In other words, the power is more balanced in the Houston area.
WOS87
08-09-2008, 01:55 PM
How about most times getting to the quarterfinals and losing...I've experienced this at Madison first hand.:(
Unfortunately Madison is up there on the list of most Quarterfinal losses but there are a few programs who have fared worse
Most Losses in a Quarterfinal Game All-Time
1. 12 losses - Highland Park (15-12 record in Quarterfinals)
2. 11 losses - Gregory-Portland (6-11 record in Quarterfinals)
3. 11 losses - Breckenridge (7-11 record in Quarterfinals)
4. 10 losses - Monahans (3-10 record in Quarterfinals)
5. 9 losses - Amarillo (9-9 record in Quarterfinals)
6. 9 losses - La Marque (10-9 record in Quarterfinals)
7. 9 losses - Plano (12-9 record in Quarterfinals)
8. 7 losses - Andrews (0-7 record in Quarterfinals)
9. 7 losses - Gladewater (1-7 record in Quarterfinals)
10. 7 losses - San Antonio Madison (2-7 record in Quarterfinals)
11. 7 losses - Cameron Yoe (2-7 record in Quarterfinals)
12. 7 losses - Fort Worth Paschal (3-7 record in Quarterfinals)
13. 7 losses - Hondo (3-7 record in Quarterfinals)
14. 7 losses - Houston Reagan (3-7 record in Quarterfinals)
15. 7 losses - Houston Lamar (3-7 record in Quarterfinals)
16. 7 losses - Sinton (4-7 record in Quarterfinals)
17. 7 losses - Alice (4-7 record in Quarterfinals)
18. 7 losses - San Antonio Jefferson (4-7 record in Quarterfinals)
19. 7 losses - Sweeny (4-7 record in Quarterfinals)
20. 7 losses - San Angelo Central (5-7 record in Quarterfinals)
21. 7 losses - Marshall (6-7 record in Quarterfinals)
22. 7 losses - Childress (7-7 record in Quarterfinals)
23. 7 losses - Corsicana (7-7 record in Quarterfinals)
24. 7 losses - Temple (9-7 record in Quarterfinals)
25. 7 losses - Corpus Christi Miller (9-7 record in Quarterfinals)
26. 7 losses - Brownwood (11-7 record in Quarterfinals)
farmerfan
08-09-2008, 02:42 PM
Are you sure it isn't because the same DFW teams tend to make it to the finals often enough to win it? That they get more chances to get their names off the list? Whereas the Houston area tends not to create the same dynastic situations?
Not to ask the Master to stay awake all night responding to yet another statistical query, but I wonder if you could confirm my alternate hypothesis that Houston area tends to produce a larger number of finalists, each of which tends to get there less often than the DFW entries? In other words, the power is more balanced in the Houston area.
I believe there are currently 13 different 5A programs in the DFW area who have won a state title over the course of their history. DFW was prodcing finalsit and champs before Trinity and Carroll started their winning ways of the last 6 years. This area is made up of more than just Carroll and Trinity. Here is a list of teams from DFW who have played for and won a state championship
Lake Highlands - 81 won
Lewisville 93 and 96 won both
Plano - 93, 94 won in 94
Marcus - 95 and 97 won 97
Duncanville- 98 won
Garland - 99 won
Mesquite - 2001 won
North Crowley - 04 won 4A
Hebron - 05 won 4A
That is not including Carroll and Trinity's combined 9 titles and 11 apperances or the titles won by Arlington High and Wylie since I could not remember what year they won those titles.
Also it could be said tghat the Houston area should produce a larger number of finalsit due to the fact that they have an entire region made up entirely of Houston teams thus givng the Houston area no less than a 50% chance of sending a team to the title game before the season even starts.
ktCarl
08-09-2008, 04:08 PM
I'd say either Cy Falls or Pflugerville. Pflugerville's could come as early as 2008, and Falls within the next 4 years.
Is there a great group of Freshman coming into Cy-Falls? Making a four year prediction would be difficult especially in High School. Anyway, I live not too far from The Berry and won't miss Falls play that season.
PCW Cats
08-10-2008, 08:48 AM
Cy-Falls will still have some good players, but because of the opening of Cy-Woods (2008-09) Cy-Ranch and Cy-Lakes the boundary lines are pushing some of that talent back to Ridge and Fair.
mad_fan
08-10-2008, 09:14 AM
How about most times getting to the quarterfinals and losing...I've experienced this at Madison first hand.:(
Tell me about it...I'd love to be in the 'bridesmaid' category...:mad:
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