Valley Talent

[uhsfilmcrew]

WOW!!! just saw this video from rgvsn.com..........Weslaco gave SA Madison A heck of a game:eek: see the highlight video

http://www.rgvsn.com/preps/video/36/Weslaco-vs-San-Antonio-Madison

[atwelljroc]

WOW!!! just saw this video from rgvsn.com..........Weslaco gave SA Madison A heck of a game:eek: see the highlight video

http://www.rgvsn.com/preps/video/36/Weslaco-vs-San-Antonio-Madison

They held Madison early, but looks like Madison wore them down...Madison by 17, not a real close game uhs????

[BDB]

They held Madison early, but looks like Madison wore them down...Madison by 17, not a real close game uhs????

in reality the game was close till about (i think) 5 min. left in the 4th, but madison was too deep. weslaco gave 'em all they had, and it was close, but it just wasn't enough.

[hunterbunter]

this game was really determined by the wind.

[uhsfilmcrew]

this game was really determined by the wind.

i just saw highlights from the port isabel - edcouch elsa game on the same website. i wanted to see why you guys are #1 in the valley. lol im reviewing over the valley games. even on rgvsports.com im watching......especially the two-a-days.

[hunterbunter]

go to eejackets.com

[atwelljroc]

in reality the game was close till about (i think) 5 min. left in the 4th, but madison was too deep. weslaco gave 'em all they had, and it was close, but it just wasn't enough.

I really would have liked to see that game...:)

[atwelljroc]

in reality the game was close till about (i think) 5 min. left in the 4th, but madison was too deep. weslaco gave 'em all they had, and it was close, but it just wasn't enough.

Just a question...is that Hilary in your avatar or the Joker from the new batman movie?? Just a question??

[uhsfilmcrew]

go to eejackets.com

i beg your pardon who in the right mind would put on that disgusting music, sooooo parental advisory. symphony classics are the best!!!

[shooter]

I really would have liked to see that game...:)


it was a fun game very much a college atmosphere. Purple on both sides and in the overflow, and lots of noise the entire game. Westlaco had a lot of pride and wanted the game but everyone's assessment is true madison just wore Westlaco out and the last 5 min Madison was scoring at will. Andrew Green the DB had a great game playing RB, it would have been interesting to see Thomas or even Miles and what they could have done against Westlaco.

Rivas did everything he could do and was phenomenal just could not carry the whole team.

The drive home sucked.

[d-train]

WOW!!! just saw this video from rgvsn.com..........Weslaco gave SA Madison A heck of a game:eek: see the highlight video

http://www.rgvsn.com/preps/video/36/Weslaco-vs-San-Antonio-Madison
Madison got beat by Katy 66-21? Madison was not the same team without Devin Thomas. He was rushing for 250 each week and 4 TDs, or something like that.

[BDB]

i beg your pardon who in the right mind would put on that disgusting music, sooooo parental advisory. symphony classics are the best!!!

time to clear the throat.

jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj ooooooooooooooooooooooooton

[BDB]

Just a question...is that Hilary in your avatar or the Joker from the new batman movie?? Just a question??

hillary, but i think she was goin for the joker look :laugh that's what makes it great.

[atwelljroc]

it was a fun game very much a college atmosphere. Purple on both sides and in the overflow, and lots of noise the entire game. Westlaco had a lot of pride and wanted the game but everyone's assessment is true madison just wore Westlaco out and the last 5 min Madison was scoring at will. Andrew Green the DB had a great game playing RB, it would have been interesting to see Thomas or even Miles and what they could have done against Westlaco.

Rivas did everything he could do and was phenomenal just could not carry the whole team.

The drive home sucked.


The valley teams are just not quite as good...YET, but they have had great valley rivalries, always fun to watch...usually great offense and limited defense...makes for an exciting game...

[uhsfilmcrew]

go to eejackets.com

I started to laugh when i started to hear the tejano corrido:D on donna redskins website

[Firebird]

i just saw highlights from the port isabel - edcouch elsa game on the same website. i wanted to see why you guys are #1 in the valley. lol im reviewing over the valley games. even on rgvsports.com im watching......especially the two-a-days.

All of 5A voices an objection to that sentiment.....E-E will find out whether they deserve to be called "best in the valley" at Boggus Stadium against Harlingen High this year.

[hunterbunter]

All of 5A voices an objection to that sentiment.....E-E will find out whether they deserve to be called "best in the valley" at Boggus Stadium against Harlingen High this year.

is that a challenge? Harlingen is the one that needs to prove themselves.

but nevertheless we welcome that challenge! oooooohh we'll be there with our jock straps on! you better bring yours!

[Firebird]

is that a challenge? Harlingen is the one that needs to prove themselves.

but nevertheless we welcome that challenge! oooooohh we'll be there with our jock straps on! you better bring yours!

Harlingen is in the top 20 for most wins in the state, all time. The most wins of any valley program save PI. Most 5-A playoff wins, appearances, district championships, and runs three or more deep in the playoffs. Harlingen needs to prove nothing to anyone in the valley. E-E is the johnny-come-lately that has made hay in the valley's weakest classification (4a) and don't forget it. :cool:

[hunterbunter]

Harlingen is in the top 20 for most wins in the state, all time. The most wins of any valley program save PI. Most 5-A playoff wins, appearances, district championships, and runs three or more deep in the playoffs. Harlingen needs to prove nothing to anyone in the valley. E-E is the johnny-come-lately that has made hay in the valley's weakest classification (4a) and don't forget it. :cool:

when he said #1 in the valley, he wasnt talking all-time Fireman, he was talking about them being voted as the #1 team this season. And E-E has started showing early why they are deserving of that title with the 7on7 success. Where did Harlingen end up last season? Did they win district? Did they win a playoff game? All the while EE was winning its 5 championship in a row and made it to the 2nd rd before losing to Beeville. :cool:

[BlitzKrieg]

E-E will and can beat Harlingen with their hands tied behind their backs and blindfolded. :cool:

[hunterbunter]

lol

[BlitzKrieg]

well, that shut firebird up.....that'll show him to mess with me :p

[hunterbunter]

wait till redrage sees this

[BlitzKrieg]

wait till redrage sees this
and that's my que *runs away*

[hunterbunter]

my bad redrage is from dallas. i dont know why i always think hes from harlingen.

[BlitzKrieg]

my bad redrage is from dallas. i dont know why i always think hes from harlingen.

cuz harlingen is great, everybody wants to be from Harlingen

[hunterbunter]

cuz harlingen is great, everybody wants to be from Harlingen

not elprez, he would probably rather be tarred and feathered before being considered a harlingenite

[BlitzKrieg]

not elprez, he would probably rather be tarred and feathered before being considered a harlingenite

shall i bring tar and you the feathers

[hunterbunter]

shall i bring tar and you the feathers

my chick has a down blanket :D

[BlitzKrieg]

my chick has a down blanket :D
kick ***....now all we need is one of those el prezes

[BDB]

not elprez, he would probably rather be tarred and feathered before being considered a harlingenite

better dead then red.

down with the turdbirds.

[BDB]

shall i bring tar and you the feathers

my chick has a down blanket :D

kick ***....now all we need is one of those el prezes


i feel honored, but that is kinda creepy.

and there is not "those el prezes", there is only 1.

[RedRage00]

my bad redrage is from dallas. i dont know why i always think hes from harlingen.

I'm from Victoria, which is where the RED RAGE comes from. I graduated from Victoria HS. I was a Stingaree. :cool: I just live in Dallas now.

And Firebird, no offense, but Harlingen isn't what they used to be and haven't for some time. They are like what the Vipers are....has-beens lol :D
I saw Reagan and Harlingen in the Classic a couple years ago and Harlingen looked very TINY compared to Reagan.....we all know what happened there.

[Firebird]

I'm from Victoria, which is where the RED RAGE comes from. I graduated from Victoria HS. I was a Stingaree. :cool: I just live in Dallas now.

And Firebird, no offense, but Harlingen isn't what they used to be and haven't for some time. They are like what the Vipers are....has-beens lol :D
I saw Reagan and Harlingen in the Classic a couple years ago and Harlingen looked very TINY compared to Reagan.....we all know what happened there.

Thing is....Harlingen was the best team in the valley that year. We beat up on 5A and went 3 deep in the playoffs. Valley football as a whole has fallen off from the late '80's-'90s. The difference is, back in the glory days of Harlingen/Mission/Edinburg a valley team usually made it respectable in the 3rd round and occasionally won, now it's always a blow-out. The folks in the valley built to many high schools and diluted the talent. They want to believe they are closing the gap, the truth is that it's gotten larger. Just look at the all time playoff scores for confirmation.


Even so, Harlingen's had as many trips 3-deep as any other valley team since the late 1990's.

We're picked to be the best out of our district next year. E-E makes hay in 4A, which is by far the weakest valley classification. La Maquina goes down at Boggus.

[RedRage00]

Thing is....Harlingen was the best team in the valley that year. We beat up on 5A and went 3 deep in the playoffs. Valley football as a whole has fallen off from the late '80's-'90s. The difference is, back in the glory days of Harlingen/Mission/Edinburg a valley team usually made it respectable in the 3rd round and occasionally won, now it's always a blow-out. The folks in the valley built to many high schools and diluted the talent. They want to believe they are closing the gap, the truth is that it's gotten larger. Just look at the all time playoff scores for confirmation.


Even so, Harlingen's had as many trips 3-deep as any other valley team since the late 1990's.

We're picked to be the best out of our district next year. E-E makes hay in 4A, which is by far the weakest valley classification. La Maquina goes down at Boggus.

Yeah, the gap has widened between San Antonio and the rest of south texas. CC Carroll played Judson tough in the early 90s. Victoria would play tough games in the 3rd round. They would lose, but it was always closer scores than it is now. It got tough for CC/Victoria when they aligned us to play SA in the first rd now. :eek: Carroll and Victoria were always in the 3rd round...Vipers can't even make the playoffs now lol...and Carroll can't get passed NISD.

1999 is the last time anyone south of SA went to the semi's and that was Edinburg I believe. That's almost TEN years! :eek: Someone needs to step up!

[saMavsFan]

Yeah, the gap has widened between San Antonio and the rest of south texas. CC Carroll played Judson tough in the early 90s. Victoria would play tough games in the 3rd round. They would lose, but it was always closer scores than it is now. It got tough for CC/Victoria when they aligned us to play SA in the first rd now. :eek: Carroll and Victoria were always in the 3rd round...Vipers can't even make the playoffs now lol...and Carroll can't get passed NISD.

1999 is the last time anyone south of SA went to the semi's and that was Edinburg I believe. That's almost TEN years! :eek: Someone needs to step up!

Weslaco definitely had the best chance last year. Mishak Rivas was a hoss!:notworthy That's the last time for a while that someone that blessed with talent will grace the RGV/Laredo area. Maybe the last time south Texas sees that kind of talent for a while. What a year for south Texas backs though! Devin Thomas, Marcus Wright, Mishak Rivas, Trent Rios, Stephen Salinas, Brandon Armstrong, Hollie/Lowson...the list goes on!

[TEAMFALCON]

The valley has talent. Just not enough.


Someone said it best......Madison just 'wore them out' and that because the didn't have their starting RB.

[hunterbunter]

Thing is....Harlingen was the best team in the valley that year. We beat up on 5A and went 3 deep in the playoffs. Valley football as a whole has fallen off from the late '80's-'90s. The difference is, back in the glory days of Harlingen/Mission/Edinburg a valley team usually made it respectable in the 3rd round and occasionally won, now it's always a blow-out. The folks in the valley built to many high schools and diluted the talent. They want to believe they are closing the gap, the truth is that it's gotten larger. Just look at the all time playoff scores for confirmation.


Even so, Harlingen's had as many trips 3-deep as any other valley team since the late 1990's.

We're picked to be the best out of our district next year. E-E makes hay in 4A, which is by far the weakest valley classification. La Maquina goes down at Boggus.

please Firebird, you're talking with blinders on. Last year, Mercedes gave Calalle all they could handle. Weslaco East gave FB a run for their money. EE wore out Alice, and lost a close game to a very good Beeville team. times are changing and your claim that 324A is weak IS weak. EE has beaten its fair share of playff teams from the Kingsvilles to PLC.

[RedRage00]

please Firebird, you're talking with blinders on. Last year, Mercedes gave Calalle all they could handle. Weslaco East gave FB a run for their money. EE wore out Alice, and lost a close game to a very good Beeville team. times are changing and your claim that 324A is weak IS weak. EE has beaten its fair share of playff teams from the Kingsvilles to PLC.

Those aren't exactly powerhouses.

And Calallen has been overrated for years. They aren't the same dominant team of the 90's.

[hunterbunter]

Those aren't exactly powerhouses.

And Calallen has been overrated for years. They aren't the same dominant team of the 90's.

I didn't say they were powerhouses, I just said EE has its fair share of playoff wins.

[Firebird]

please Firebird, you're talking with blinders on. Last year, Mercedes gave Calalle all they could handle. Weslaco East gave FB a run for their money. EE wore out Alice, and lost a close game to a very good Beeville team. times are changing and your claim that 324A is weak IS weak. EE has beaten its fair share of playff teams from the Kingsvilles to PLC.


Give an SA area team a close game and we'll talk. 5A valley teams also used to play well against Coastal Bend programs when we used to meet in the 2nd round of the playoffs. After realignment, we don't play them anymore, because they go north first and get knocked out by SA. The recent spate of valley teams reaching the 3rd round in 5a is due wholly to that realignment---we get to play two games against the valley and Laredo before we meet up with SA. Going three deep was a much bigger deal when you had to beat CC Carroll to get there. Coastal bend football has also fallen behind the rest of the state, btw, especially Calallen.

[BDB]

Give an SA area team a close game and we'll talk. 5A valley teams also used to play well against Coastal Bend programs when we used to meet in the 2nd round of the playoffs. After realignment, we don't play them anymore, because they go north first and get knocked out by SA. Coastal bend football has also fallen behind the rest of the state.

it makes me wonder if it's also that S.A football has made that big of a jump too. i know that when i think of pearland or trinity, i would NEVER give a valley team the nod over them, but i think they could be competitive in areas without all the hardwear that everyone forgets about.

[Firebird]

it makes me wonder if it's also that S.A football has made that big of a jump too. i know that when i think of pearland or trinity, i would NEVER give a valley team the nod over them, but i think they could be competitive in areas without all the hardwear that everyone forgets about.

SA football is still way ahead of the valley. There's still plenty of good football in the Alamo city.

Valley teams could play fine with Laredo, with El Paso, and I believe they'd be OK if they played up on the caprock against Lubbock/Amarillo, though not in the new district which includes Midland/Odessa/Lubbock/Amarrillo/San Angelo. We already know how we would do vs. Coastal Bend, as we all remember the exile years for SB and Harlingen. We were not terrible, but only one valley team made the POs from that district.


CenTex, East Texas, the Golden Triangle....we'd all be at the bottom of the barrel. Since I left the valley I have watched a lot of HS football across the state and the difference is obvious.

A big part of it is the fact that we've built so many high schools....Harlingen had a hard time competing back when it was at 4,000 students, so did La Joya, but we did better. When talent is spread as thin as it is in the valley you shouldn't dilute it.

[BandidoNB]

I was actually surprised by the level of drop off from the Coastal Bend; last year I went to go see Austin Lake Travis play CC Calallen and i was expecting a very close game. Instead Lake Travis coasted to a 38-0 halftime lead and went on to win a lopsided contest. I think the Valley does deserve some credit, as the games (some of them) really arent as lopsided as people say. Lots of offensive fireworks!

[hunterbunter]

Lake Travis still has their beast QB right? that's gonna be interesting.

[BDB]

I was actually surprised by the level of drop off from the Coastal Bend; last year I went to go see Austin Lake Travis play CC Calallen and i was expecting a very close game. Instead Lake Travis coasted to a 38-0 halftime lead and went on to win a lopsided contest. I think the Valley does deserve some credit, as the games (some of them) really arent as lopsided as people say. Lots of offensive fireworks!


we sure get alot of them 28 point 4th quarters by some of them SA teams....

but i mean i guess no one wants to be the team to ONLY beat someone from the valley by 10 :rolleyes:

[RedRage00]

Give an SA area team a close game and we'll talk. 5A valley teams also used to play well against Coastal Bend programs when we used to meet in the 2nd round of the playoffs. After realignment, we don't play them anymore, because they go north first and get knocked out by SA. The recent spate of valley teams reaching the 3rd round in 5a is due wholly to that realignment---we get to play two games against the valley and Laredo before we meet up with SA. Going three deep was a much bigger deal when you had to beat CC Carroll to get there. Coastal bend football has also fallen behind the rest of the state, btw, especially Calallen.

I have to agree with Bird. Valley teams making the 3rd round back in the day was bigger than it is now. Valley teams hardly got passed Victoria and CC Carroll back in the day. Now, you face Laredo and another valley team before SA. Meanwhile, Carroll and the rest of the coast bend gets knocked out in Rd 1. The last time anyone from the coastal bend got to the 3rd round was the last time the coastal bend schools faced the valley/laredo teams in the playoffs and that was 2002 when Victoria and CC King went 3 rounds deep. After that, it was one and done for the coastal bend teams because it was San Antonio right off the bat.

Nothing against Valley schools because I just love football in general, but the valley is down there towards the bottom. I've seen games all over the state (like Firebird) and I can tell the difference. I could tell the difference between watching my coastal bend teams growing up and watching San Antonio teams while I lived there 3.5 years. I can tell the difference now between watching DFW teams and San Antonio teams, and there is a difference.

[RedRage00]

I was actually surprised by the level of drop off from the Coastal Bend; last year I went to go see Austin Lake Travis play CC Calallen and i was expecting a very close game. Instead Lake Travis coasted to a 38-0 halftime lead and went on to win a lopsided contest. I think the Valley does deserve some credit, as the games (some of them) really arent as lopsided as people say. Lots of offensive fireworks!

Calallen has just barely been getting by lately. They were unbeaten last season in the regular season but if you looked at their scores they were not impressive wins. I grew up in Victoria when Calallen was making the semis and dominating everyone. The scores were lopsided in all their games. Now they are barely getting by teams. They win, but its no longer the lopsided scores they used to have.

I stopped taking them seriously in the playoffs when they barely could get by Port Lavaca Calhoun. So it didn't surprise me that Lake Travis dominated them.

[hunterbunter]

I can tell the difference now between watching DFW teams and San Antonio teams, and there is a difference.

whats the difference?

[BandidoNB]

whats the difference?


ya whats the difference; i want to know too :notworthy

[Shokkin da wrld]

i played in this game and we had a good drive going and it was second and goal from the 3 but a holding call brought it back and instead of walking it in we had to try and pass and there defense wass just to good so yeah and a fumble we had also shot us in the foot. but they really wore down the defense

[RedRage00]

whats the difference?

Did you watch Judson-Trinity on TV?

[hunterbunter]

Did you watch Judson-Trinity on TV?

you're saying thats the difference? because of last years Trinity team?

[Firebird]

you're saying thats the difference? because of last years Trinity team?

Look at the last decade's worth of state champions and see where most of them have hailed from. The metromess, for better or worse, is the home of the best HS football in the state.

[RedRage00]

you're saying thats the difference? because of last years Trinity team?

You did not read all the threads on Trinity's size? What is the difference between the valley and San Antonio? Size and speed. Same thing. Trinity was huge last year. I don't know what they have coming back though. I just used them because they were on TV. I figured you saw it.

[hunterbunter]

You did not read all the threads on Trinity's size? What is the difference between the valley and San Antonio? Size and speed. Same thing. Trinity was huge last year. I don't know what they have coming back though. I just used them because they were on TV. I figured you saw it.

so they're having an good run, all teams do. just because they've had big size and speed recently doesnt mean theres a huge difference between san antonio, the valley, and the "metromess"?? And no i didnt get to watch it on TV, I think i just saw the ending.

[BDB]

so they're having an good run, all teams do. just because they've had big size and speed recently doesnt mean theres a huge difference between san antonio, the valley, and the "metromess"?? And no i didnt get to watch it on TV, I think i just saw the ending.

there's a huge-*** difference. 'bird summed it up when he said that the valley diluted it's talent with all the high schools, especially considering how many kids can't/won't/don't take up extra-cirrucular activites for whatever reason (jobs, lack of this, lack of that). it really puts a strain to get the "best" team in a city like brownsville or (in the future you'll see) la joya.

[hunterbunter]

theres just as many or more highschools in dallas or houston or san antonio thats no excuse

[BDB]

theres just as many or more highschools in dallas or houston or san antonio thats no excuse

let's be real, raza. how many kids did you know in high school who were more into chivas then the cowboys? how many kids added "buey" after every sentence then "dude? how many parents ACTUALLY PUSH their kids to do something after school instead of getting a job to pay the bills?

i know the 6"2 homeboys who instead of took up football and did something to keep their minds on track took up sellin pase to live the g-life. some of those dudes could have atleast gone atleast D-2, but they didnt even graduate.

it happens.

[AE 8008]

Jumbo Shrimp

[hunterbunter]

Jumbo Shrimp

Miniature Pinscher? :confused:

[hunterbunter]

let's be real, raza. how many kids did you know in high school who were more into chivas then the cowboys? how many kids added "buey" after every sentence then "dude? how many parents ACTUALLY PUSH their kids to do something after school instead of getting a job to pay the bills?

i know the 6"2 homeboys who instead of took up football and did something to keep their minds on track took up sellin pase to live the g-life. some of those dudes could have atleast gone atleast D-2, but they didnt even graduate.

it happens.

i fully understand. I seen 6'6 dude in the marching band. ROTC is the way to go for many.

FFA for life. :(

[AE 8008]

Miniature Pinscher? :confused:


sorry. after reading the title i thought this was an oxymoron thread;):D

[RedRage00]

so they're having an good run, all teams do. just because they've had big size and speed recently doesnt mean theres a huge difference between san antonio, the valley, and the "metromess"?? And no i didnt get to watch it on TV, I think i just saw the ending.

You need to see more games outside the valley ;)

I've seen coastal teams, valley teams, san antonio teams, austin teams, Houston area teams, west texas...etc etc.

Once you see more games statewide then you can compare :cool:

Firebird mentioned that Harlingen team a few years ago that was the best in the valley and went 3rounds deep. I saw that team and it looked like a bunch of 5'7 150 pound hispanic dudes. That is small. I wouldn't want to see them go up against some of the metromess teams. :eek: I had never seen a team that small in my life. It was my first time seeing Harlingen.

[Firebird]

You need to see more games outside the valley ;)

I've seen coastal teams, valley teams, san antonio teams, austin teams, Houston area teams, west texas...etc etc.

Once you see more games statewide then you can compare :cool:

Firebird mentioned that Harlingen team a few years ago that was the best in the valley and went 3rounds deep. I saw that team and it looked like a bunch of 5'7 150 pound hispanic dudes. That is small. I wouldn't want to see them go up against some of the metromess teams. :eek: I had never seen a team that small in my life. It was my first time seeing Harlingen.

That was a small team, and it was the best valley team that year. However, Harlingen has been a small team lately.

There are some bigger valley teams out there. Harlingen South last year was pretty big, and La Joya usually has a big line. San Benito and Los Fresnos have had good size on the lines lately, too. Where you really notice the difference is in the linebacker/db/wr corps. Usually the valley teams can put out some big OL and DL, but there are none of the big, athletic defenders and tall, speedy WRs that the upstate teams have. That's the key difference. Our most athletic players are tiny.

[BDB]

i fully understand. I seen 6'6 dude in the marching band. ROTC is the way to go for many.

FFA for life. :(

i love football, but i love drumming more so i went with the drumline (notice i didn't say band).

i was in FFA for a year so i wouldnt have to take semester exams for a class :laugh

[Shokkin da wrld]

That was a small team, and it was the best valley team that year. However, Harlingen has been a small team lately.

There are some bigger valley teams out there. Harlingen South last year was pretty big, and La Joya usually has a big line. San Benito and Los Fresnos have had good size on the lines lately, too. Where you really notice the difference is in the linebacker/db/wr corps. Usually the valley teams can put out some big OL and DL, but there are none of the big, athletic defenders and tall, speedy WRs that the upstate teams have. That's the key difference. Our most athletic players are tiny.

yeah thats true are best offense of player on are team and defense of player were tiny...pj are best defensive player was 5'6 130