Obama's Bird

[country club]

I really am trying to like this guy, but the little things are beginning to add up.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

[slorch]

come and be cleansed. Kneel and worship at the altar and thou shalt not want for anything...other than your dignity and self respect.

[CoveMom]

His plane. His logo.


Note that the TRADITIONAL American flag by the plane's registration number is still there.


Big whooping deal. I can find a lot of other reasons to distrust the guy. This is not one of them.

my .02

[EagleDude73]

come and be cleansed. Kneel and worship at the altar and thou shalt not want for anything...other than your dignity and self respect.

Sorry Slorch, this is one time i have to disagree with you. Kneel and worship on the roll out carpet.

[country club]

His plane. His logo.


Note that the TRADITIONAL American flag by the plane's registration number is still there.


Big whooping deal. I can find a lot of other reasons to distrust the guy. This is not one of them.

my .02

That is required. Unless you are a classified aircraft (CIA, DEA, SPY or SNOOP SQUADRON ETC.....) I am a pilot, so The King Obama logo upsets me. He is a servant of the AMERCAN PEOPLE. As is every other elected official. My 0.2

[EagleDude73]

That is required. Unless you are a classified aircraft (CIA, DEA, SPY or SNOOP SQUADRON ETC.....) I am a pilot, so The King Obama logo upsets me. He is a servant of the AMERCAN PEOPLE. As is every other elected official. My 0.2

He also stated today that his picture on currency would look different. Sorry, if anything that is poor taste.

[CoveMom]

He also stated today that his picture on currency would look different. Sorry, if anything that is poor taste.

Agreed. That is what we call race baiting if it is done by a white person.

[CoveMom]

That is required. Unless you are a classified aircraft (CIA, DEA, SPY or SNOOP SQUADRON ETC.....) I am a pilot, so The King Obama logo upsets me. He is a servant of the AMERCAN PEOPLE. As is every other elected official. My 0.2

McCain's plane is painted in his logos and colors. Why not Obama's? Like I said, I can think of a few dozen reasons not to trust/like the guy. This just happens to not be one of them.

[pied]

That is required. Unless you are a classified aircraft (CIA, DEA, SPY or SNOOP SQUADRON ETC.....) I am a pilot, so The King Obama logo upsets me. He is a servant of the AMERCAN PEOPLE. As is every other elected official. My 0.2

Somehow this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/mccainplane_small.jpg


is more respectful than this?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/obamaplane1.jpg


Really?

[DragonWatcher]

He also stated today that his picture on currency would look different. Sorry, if anything that is poor taste.

Ya thats not what he said at all.
"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

And anytime a pundit, campaign adviser, anyone refers to him as Barack Hussein Obama they reinforce what Obama is saying here. I would implore anyone without googling to tell me what John McCain's middle name is, or Dick Cheyney's.

[katyfan52]

I really am trying to like this guy, but the little things are beginning to add up.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

:laugh If that's going to sway you, you're not trying very hard. ;)

[country club]

:laugh If that's going to sway you, you're not trying very hard. ;)

You are absolutely correct. The jury is still out.......

[katyfan52]

Ya thats not what he said at all.
"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

And anytime a pundit, campaign adviser, anyone refers to him as Barack Hussein Obama they reinforce what Obama is saying here. I would implore anyone without googling to tell me what John McCain's middle name is, or Dick Cheyney's.
John Sydney McCain. Didn't google. :) I am an informed voter. ;) Don't know Cheney's.

[DragonWatcher]

John Sydney McCain. Didn't google. :)

That my friend is pretty impressive. You don't study political science do you?

[katyfan52]

Somehow this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/mccainplane_small.jpg


is more respectful than this?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/obamaplane1.jpg


Really?
I can't see whatever is supposed to be there. :confused:

[Dawg Fan]

[QUOTE=DragonWatcher;832222]
And anytime a pundit, campaign adviser, anyone refers to him as Barack Hussein Obama they reinforce what Obama is saying here. /QUOTE]


better get used to it;)

[CoveMom]

Ya thats not what he said at all.
"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."



A. It is time to start running against McCain. Those of us who have supported President Bush are fully aware of the fact that McCain has not, usually. Time to realize that in the Obama Campaign.

B. What he said, without using the words, is "The Bush/McCain people are trying to scare you by saying don't vote for a black man." That, in my opinion, is worse than the paraphrase put forth here by another poster. John McCain is not the person putting the color of Obama's skin into the public discussion. Nor am I. I do not think it happens to be relevant. At All.

[katyfan52]

That my friend is pretty impressive. You don't study political science do you?

One of my sister's was a governmental philosophy major and I come from a family of history fanatics and political junkies. I just had to read his bio to know that though. ;)

[EagleDude73]

Ya thats not what he said at all.
"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

And anytime a pundit, campaign adviser, anyone refers to him as Barack Hussein Obama they reinforce what Obama is saying here. I would implore anyone without googling to tell me what John McCain's middle name is, or Dick Cheyney's.

Sure, I'll go on record as being corrected but that's not what Fox26 News in Houston said tonight. I just TIVO'd several times and Barrack Obama quote "Doesn't look like all those other President's on dollar bills." McCain's reply "A sly way of injecting race into the campaign."

[slorch]

He also stated today that his picture on currency would look different. Sorry, if anything that is poor taste.

both sides of it would be "Tails." The crest side, and the a-hole side.

He's an idiot, but a very persuasive one....

[EagleDude73]

Sure, I'll go on record as being corrected but that's not what Fox26 News in Houston said tonight. I just TIVO'd several times and Barrack Obama quote "Doesn't look like all those other President's on dollar bills." McCain's reply "A sly way of injecting race into the campaign."




Ah. Ha. Just replayed again, the entire post brings a completely different meaning. Part of the phase taken out of context has the opposite meaning. Sly Fox.

[slorch]

Ah. Ha. Just replayed again, the entire post brings a completely different meaning. Part of the phase taken out of context has the opposite meaning. Sly Fox.

If he wasn't implying another difference, couldn't Mccain claim the same thing, that his likeness is not like that of anyone on the currency?

I love the squirming defense of Obama. It works like quicksand, in that the more you move, the deeper it gets.

[katyfan52]

A. It is time to start running against McCain. Those of us who have supported President Bush are fully aware of the fact that McCain has not, usually. Time to realize that in the Obama Campaign.

B. What he said, without using the words, is "The Bush/McCain people are trying to scare you by saying don't vote for a black man." That, in my opinion, is worse than the paraphrase put forth here by another poster. John McCain is not the person putting the color of Obama's skin into the public discussion. Nor am I. I do not think it happens to be relevant. At All.
I believe you CM, and it isn't to me either. But you have to know that it would be to some and the campaign (or their surrogates) will tap into that if they think it will cast aspersions on Obama's character and garner them some of the fear vote. :(

[DragonWatcher]

A. It is time to start running against McCain. Those of us who have supported President Bush are fully aware of the fact that McCain has not, usually. Time to realize that in the Obama Campaign.

B. What he said, without using the words, is "The Bush/McCain people are trying to scare you by saying don't vote for a black man." That, in my opinion, is worse than the paraphrase put forth here by another poster. John McCain is not the person putting the color of Obama's skin into the public discussion. Nor am I. I do not think it happens to be relevant. At All.

Its not just the color of skin that he's talking about. Its his heritage, his name etc, he truly is radically different than any other major party nominee. And he gets attacked from it quite frequently from republicans... the party of bush and mccain. We all remember how fox incorrectly reported Obama went to school at a Muslim madrasa... The texas republican convention buttons that were on sale that said "will we still call it the white house if obama is elected".

[CoveMom]

I believe you CM, and it isn't to me either. But you have to know that it would be to some and the campaign (or their surrogates) will tap into that if they think it will cast aspersions on Obama's character and garner them some of the fear vote. :(

A number of high profile politicos have lost their positions on more than one campaign this year for just that. No, I don't "know" that. If it happens it will backfire BIG TIME (to borrow a phrase from Cheney). Those people to whom his race matters will not be persuaded not matter what. They are lost to the Obama campaign and need not be catered to by the McCain team.

To flirt with that is a disaster which will be akin to the helmet in the tank photo of Dukakis or the better left unrepeated asinine remarks by Ann Richards' first Gubernatorial opponent. She was the first Democrat I ever voted for in a Statewide race because of those comments, btw.

We disagree. I hope I am not wrong. If I am, McCain may be short another vote on his way to November 2008.

[CoveMom]

Its not just the color of skin that he's talking about. Its his heritage, his name etc, he truly is radically different than any other major party nominee. And he gets attacked from it quite frequently from republicans... the party of bush and mccain. We all remember how fox incorrectly reported Obama went to school at a Muslim madrasa... The texas republican convention buttons that were on sale that said "will we still call it the white house if obama is elected".

you are not that naive are you? Campaigns (all of them) have to backpedal from comments all the time. Do I think it was his intention to inject race in a negative way? No. Did he? Yes. Better to just say it was an ill-timed comment and move on.

[HUM398]

Obama's seal:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/06/24/obamaseal_narrowweb__300x493,0.jpg

[dragonsdaddy]

A. It is time to start running against McCain. Those of us who have supported President Bush are fully aware of the fact that McCain has not, usually. Time to realize that in the Obama Campaign.

B. What he said, without using the words, is "The Bush/McCain people are trying to scare you by saying don't vote for a black man." That, in my opinion, is worse than the paraphrase put forth here by another poster. John McCain is not the person putting the color of Obama's skin into the public discussion. Nor am I. I do not think it happens to be relevant. At All.

i agree. his stances and opinions on almost everything are more than reason enough to fear him more than any candidate since mcgovern.

[slorch]

Its not just the color of skin that he's talking about. Its his heritage, his name etc, he truly is radically different than any other major party nominee. And he gets attacked from it quite frequently from republicans... the party of bush and mccain. We all remember how fox incorrectly reported Obama went to school at a Muslim madrasa... The texas republican convention buttons that were on sale that said "will we still call it the white house if obama is elected".

thanks for generalizing about those terrible generalizers.

The button vendor was kicked out of the convention. You conveniently ommitted that. You work for NBC? CNN?

If the Republicans are reporting so many falsehoods, it would appear to me that Obama could speak about his beliefs without a script or a telepromptor, but he won't. It's his insurance policy to stay on track until he gets elected.

A fellow employee and I were discussing the European tour for Obama, specifiaclly Berlin and he was gloating about all of the people that showed up for Obama's address. I just asked him if Beonce and Metallica gave a free concert before an event here, do you think we could get similar turnout here? the media conveniently left out the free concerts in boasting about the Euro-love for Obama. They love him because he is more like them.

What part of that is supposed to excite me? Broken down socialized systems with weak militaries and prevalent socialized liberal tendencies?

yeah, I can't wait to get me some more of that in America!:rolleyes::Censor::mad:

[DragonWatcher]

you are not that naive are you? Campaigns (all of them) have to backpedal from comments all the time. Do I think it was his intention to inject race in a negative way? No. Did he? Yes. Better to just say it was an ill-timed comment and move on.


I'm far from naive when it comes to political campaigns. I have no problem with what was said except for criticism when Obama defends himself. Kerry got sunk because he did not respond promptly to the swiftboat ads, I can guarantee that Obama wont make the same mistake in this election. His campaign has had a response out to each attack on the same day it was issued.

[DragonWatcher]

thanks for generalizing about those terrible generalizers.

The button vendor was kicked out of the convention. You conveniently ommitted that. You work for NBC? CNN?

If the Republicans are reporting so many falsehoods, it would appear to me that Obama could speak about his beliefs without a script or a telepromptor, but he won't. It's his insurance policy to stay on track until he gets elected.

A fellow employee and I were discussing the European tour for Obama, specifiaclly Berlin and he was gloating about all of the people that showed up for Obama's address. I just asked him if Beonce and Metallica gave a free concert before an event here, do you think we could get similar turnout here? the media conveniently left out the free concerts in boasting about the Euro-love for Obama. They love him because he is more like them.

What part of that is supposed to excite me? Broken down socialized systems with weak militaries and prevalent socialized liberal tendencies?

yeah, I can't wait to get me some more of that in America!:rolleyes::Censor::mad:

Look I have no problem with your views, you don't like his politics, you can more than back up and support your opinions. Thats great. The majority of Americans however are not as informed and will make decisions based on how the narrative of the race is shaped. Yes the media should have reported that there were concerts in berlin as well, but thats the media's problem not the obama campaign. McCain would be able to throw the exact same thing if he could arrange it.

I don't fault Obama for the Berlin speech just like I don't fault Bush for the "Mission Accomplished" aircraft carrier landing and speech, the ship had been circling in the ocean for 7 hours before hand waiting for him to arrive. Photo ops are always going to be a part of politics. There is no way a FDR could ever get elected today because of the wheelchair and the mass media that would surround it. I'm all for great stagecraft, any good campaign will be decent at it, Bush was great, Obama so far has been doing fantastic when it comes to stage craft, photo/video's of him sinking a three in front of a cheering gym of troops.

Again the media doesn't give Obama this endless because they love him, its becaue he sells. He's tiger woods to them. The recent gallup poll from last week shows that 55% of Americans think this election is really about Barack Obama as opposed to 23% for McCain. Like it or not the election is really turning into a referendum on Obama, and as that's the narrative that people want thats what the media is going to sell, and we as a country are buying it up in droves, whether for or against him.

[pied]

A fellow employee and I were discussing the European tour for Obama, specifiaclly Berlin and he was gloating about all of the people that showed up for Obama's address. I just asked him if Beonce and Metallica gave a free concert before an event here, do you think we could get similar turnout here? the media conveniently left out the free concerts in boasting about the Euro-love for Obama. They love him because he is more like them.


dude-do you work for some right wing wacko news place?

Let me ask you this, how many people would stick around after a Beyonce/Metallica concert to hear a candidate for German Chancellor speak?

My guess is close to three. The rest are on their way home......

[slorch]

dude-do you work for some right wing wacko news place?

Let me ask you this, how many people would stick around after a Beyonce/Metallica concert to hear a candidate for German Chancellor speak?

My guess is close to three. The rest are on their way home......

there's your American arrogance getting in the way...

No I don't really care for the talk radio scene a whole lot, unless it's sports. I will occasionally listen, but Rush is boring and a shell of what he used to be. hannity is a broken record. savage just rants all of the time.

Imagine a young German presidential candidate that is espousing capitalism and the American way holding a rally in Atlanta or even NYC after that concert that appeals to both black and white youths? That is what Obama is to them, except the inverse of that.

[pied]

there's your American arrogance getting in the way...

No I don't really care for the talk radio scene a whole lot, unless it's sports. I will occasionally listen, but Rush is boring and a shell of what he used to be. hannity is a broken record. savage just rants all of the time.

Imagine a young German presidential candidate that is espousing capitalism and the American way holding a rally in Atlanta or even NYC after that concert that appeals to both black and white youths? That is what Obama is to them, except the inverse of that.

Great point.

Signed,

pied, former student Universitat Wurzburg

[slorch]

Great point.

Signed,

pied, former student Universitat Wurzburg

but you stayed true to the motherland, right?:eek:

[pied]

but you stayed true to the motherland, right?:eek:

Hook 'em Horns baby!!!

[t-long20]

His plane. His logo.


Note that the TRADITIONAL American flag by the plane's registration number is still there.


Big whooping deal. I can find a lot of other reasons to distrust the guy. This is not one of them.

my .02

Wow.:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

I will not argue with covemom for the rest of the week. Don't worry, the right will talk about his seal and plane untill they're blue in the face. If only it made a difference.......

[katyfan52]

A number of high profile politicos have lost their positions on more than one campaign this year for just that. No, I don't "know" that. If it happens it will backfire BIG TIME (to borrow a phrase from Cheney). Those people to whom his race matters will not be persuaded not matter what. They are lost to the Obama campaign and need not be catered to by the McCain team.

To flirt with that is a disaster which will be akin to the helmet in the tank photo of Dukakis or the better left unrepeated asinine remarks by Ann Richards' first Gubernatorial opponent. She was the first Democrat I ever voted for in a Statewide race because of those comments, btw.

We disagree. I hope I am not wrong. If I am, McCain may be short another vote on his way to November 2008.
I'm curious as to what you think about the campaign of Richards' second opponent. It was that race that made me start taking a closer look at the younger Bush and how he did business. I know we disagree on some things, but you seem to be a respectable person who can be taken at face value. Thank you for your candor. :)

[katyfan52]

You guys do know that Obama's not the first politician to have a band or other entertainment there for the crowds who sometimes might have to wait for hours. Bush had em, Clinton had em I think. Not such a big deal. It is entirely possible that they didn't announce it because it is commonplace enough for them to think notification was not necessary. Just sayin'. :)

[dragonsdaddy]

Look I have no problem with your views, you don't like his politics, you can more than back up and support your opinions. Thats great. The majority of Americans however are not as informed and will make decisions based on how the narrative of the race is shaped. Yes the media should have reported that there were concerts in berlin as well, but thats the media's problem not the obama campaign. McCain would be able to throw the exact same thing if he could arrange it.

the media is liberal and yes they do love him, because he is what they have all been clamoring for since reagan got elected. if this election is to be decided by the uninformed voter, and it undoubtedly could, then this over-sight is certainly more than a media problem.
I don't fault Obama for the Berlin speech just like I don't fault Bush for the "Mission Accomplished" aircraft carrier landing and speech, the ship had been circling in the ocean for 7 hours before hand waiting for him to arrive. Photo ops are always going to be a part of politics. There is no way a FDR could ever get elected today because of the wheelchair and the mass media that would surround it. I'm all for great stagecraft, any good campaign will be decent at it, Bush was great, Obama so far has been doing fantastic when it comes to stage craft, photo/video's of him sinking a three in front of a cheering gym of troops.

Again the media doesn't give Obama this endless because they love him, its becaue he sells. He's tiger woods to them. The recent gallup poll from last week shows that 55% of Americans think this election is really about Barack Obama as opposed to 23% for McCain. Like it or not the election is really turning into a referendum on Obama, and as that's the narrative that people want thats what the media is going to sell, and we as a country are buying it up in droves, whether for or against him.

see the red.

[slorch]

Wow.:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

I will not argue with covemom for the rest of the week. Don't worry, the right will talk about his seal and plane untill they're blue in the face. If only it made a difference.......

I guess nothing makes a difference...
until he has to play his hand( gets elected)

[ktCarl]

At least the plane was made in the U.S.A. :D

I don't think the tail fin emblem on Obama's campaign aircraft is going to get him votes nor cost him any votes. He sure seems to have something against the US flag for some reason. A great joke would be to have someone paint the Confederate flag on the tail of his campaign jet. Now that would be an eye catcher! :eek:

[slorch]

At least the plane was made in the U.S.A. :D

I don't think the tail fin emblem on Obama's campaign aircraft is going to get him votes nor cost him any votes. He sure seems to have something against the US flag for some reason. A great joke would be to have someone paint the Confederate flag on the tail of his campaign jet. Now that would be an eye catcher! :eek:

but then someone might think he is racist...:rolleyes:

[dada]

He has a "Tricked out" Plane :-)

[ktCarl]

He has a "Tricked out" Plane :-)


Someone 'pimped' his bird. :D

[drgnbkr]

Ya thats not what he said at all.
"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

And anytime a pundit, campaign adviser, anyone refers to him as Barack Hussein Obama they reinforce what Obama is saying here. I would implore anyone without googling to tell me what John McCain's middle name is, or Dick Cheyney's.

The point is that Obama throws a fit whenever anyone uses his middle name, because it reminds people of his Muslim upbringing....no one else cares if thier middle name is used.

[CoveMom]

I'm curious as to what you think about the campaign of Richards' second opponent. It was that race that made me start taking a closer look at the younger Bush and how he did business. I know we disagree on some things, but you seem to be a respectable person who can be taken at face value. Thank you for your candor. :)

I thought the campaign was brilliantly run. When Ann started her trademark jibes (and she was a master at them), the media would ask for comments from him. HIs reply? "My mother taught me to respect my elders. No comment" Early vintage Karl Rove.

I campaigned for him in that election on the West side of San Antonio where we did not have much of a chance of garnering votes. But garner we did. I took a chance that his talk of working with both parties would work as he said it would. It did. Ann did not have that gene in her political makeup. We elected her because, pure and simple, she was the greater of two lesser candidates in the previous cycle and after her first term it was time for a "change." I think Bush was a good governor. I still support him. Is he perfect? No. None of them are.

[dada]

My middle name is Christopher:

"Christopher is the English version of a Europe-wide name derived from the Ancient Greek Χριστόφορος (Khristóphoros). The name means “Christ-bearer”, or more literally “Bearer of the anointed one”."


Damn I hope my muslim mother dosn't find out.

[CyFallsMom]

Must I be forced to get going this early in the morning!!:D

As you all know, I find this man to be a most despicable human being. This confirms it even further for me. His arrogance is at levels I have never seen - not even from David Hasselhof or Tom Cruise!! He has become so full of himself and sees himself as leader of the world - not only of the U.S. Someone on the radio was comparing him to Hitler in Hitler's younger days yesterday - it was uncanny and quite scary to say the least. Don't get me wrong - I would be the first one to vote for a black President if I believed in him (or her) but this man is so far left he's falling into the Pacific Ocean! I just don't trust him. But then I still like George W. Bush so I'm an anomaly.

Here's an interesting thought - and I could be way off here - but he comes to Houston last night and does fundraising at the homes of two uber Millionaires to a paying audience. Since he can't speak without a teleprompter, he tells them he wants to jump in the pool or something to that affect and then he babbles on about energy and such and then sits down to a meal that costs more than most make in a month or several months. Do you think he could have spent a small bit of time meeting those who are voting for him? Nah. Why couldn't he go to Acres Homes and see how these poor people live who he claims to be the champion of? It's not far from the airport and would have taken no time at all. No, he sneaks in to rub elbows with the money givers. I guess that's this form of "change":rolleyes:.

Speaking of the teleprompter, how many of you heard the speech when it went out the other day...he didn't know what to say and repeated the same things over and over. We listened to it last night and it could have been a comedy routine it was so hilarious. I'm glad to see his true colors are finally showing. We don't need a king of the world, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks of us!!! We need a true American President. Simple and true.

[dada]

Must I be forced to get going this early in the morning!!:D

As you all know, I find this man to be a most despicable human being. This confirms it even further for me. His arrogance is at levels I have never seen - not even from David Hasselhof or Tom Cruise!! He has become so full of himself and sees himself as leader of the world - not only of the U.S. Someone on the radio was comparing him to Hitler in Hitler's younger days yesterday - it was uncanny and quite scary to say the least. Don't get me wrong - I would be the first one to vote for a black President if I believed in him (or her) but this man is so far left he's falling into the Pacific Ocean! I just don't trust him. But then I still like George W. Bush so I'm an anomaly.

Here's an interesting thought - and I could be way off here - but he comes to Houston last night and does fundraising at the homes of two uber Millionaires to a paying audience. Since he can't speak without a teleprompter, he tells them he wants to jump in the pool or something to that affect and then he babbles on about energy and such and then sits down to a meal that costs more than most make in a month or several months. Do you think he could have spent a small bit of time meeting those who are voting for him? Nah. Why couldn't he go to Acres Homes and see how these poor people live who he claims to be the champion of? It's not far from the airport and would have taken no time at all. No, he sneaks in to rub elbows with the money givers. I guess that's this form of "change":rolleyes:.

Speaking of the teleprompter, how many of you heard the speech when it went out the other day...he didn't know what to say and repeated the same things over and over. We listened to it last night and it could have been a comedy routine it was so hilarious. I'm glad to see his true colors are finally showing. We don't need a king of the world, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks of us!!! We need a true American President. Simple and true.

Propaganda works both ways:;)


http://therealmccain.com/

[CyFallsMom]

Propaganda works both ways:;)


http://therealmccain.com/

Sure it does - I grew up in the 60's - I know propaganda when I see it. My issue is the arrogance and presumptuousness. And all of a sudden the media is taking him to task and everyone on the left is in an uproar!! McCain got off an airplane during Obama's orgy of ego in Europe and ONE camera was there to meet him. He laughed about it and moved on. He is not the debonair, Armani dressing slick guy that O is but he's real. He has been around the block a few times - not just in the job for 150 days.

[country club]

Sure it does - I grew up in the 60's - I know propaganda when I see it. My issue is the arrogance and presumptuousness. And all of a sudden the media is taking him to task and everyone on the left is in an uproar!! McCain got off an airplane during Obama's orgy of ego in Europe and ONE camera was there to meet him. He laughed about it and moved on. He is not the debonair, Armani dressing slick guy that O is but he's real. He has been around the block a few times - not just in the job for 150 days.


PROPAGANDA and HYPE certainly go hand in hand during an election year, but the lack of EXPERIENCE is a FACT that should concern ALL.

[slorch]

PROPAGANDA and HYPE certainly go hand in hand during an election year, but the lack of EXPERIENCE is a FACT that should concern ALL.

Romo or Obama?:D

[Firebird]

Sorry, but anyone who is up in arms over the painting of Obama's campaign aircraft must have a lone bb rattling around inside his or her noggin instead of grey matter. The link explains its very well. Prior to purchasing the aircraft, Obama's campaing chartered it from North American Airlines, who operated the flights as well. North American's livery included the stylized American flag on the tail fin. Once it sold the jet, the livery needed to be changed, they couldn't leave the same scheme and the company would not have appreciated having their logo on the tail fin. If he had bought the aircraft from Delta, he wouldn't have left their livery in place, now would he?

The gripe about putting "his" symbol on the aircraft is even more ridiculous. For so long we've been hearing about how he is "presumptous" and acting like he is already the president of the United States. I ask you, what would be more presumptous than flying around the world on an aircraft draped in national symbols before you actually became president? Is it not far more appropriate for him to use the symbols of his campaign, since that is the capacity he is traveling in? Repainting the aircraft to ensure it cannot be mistaken for an offical U.S. aircraft seems to be highly appropriate, in fact the only appropriate thing to do.

Y'all are all just guzzling the haterade from the fire hydrant. Make up your mind, are you mad at him for acting presumptous and like he is already the Head of State or mad at him for not acting like he represents America abroad.

[slorch]

Y'all are all just guzzling the haterade from the fire hydrant. .

he could put Black Panthers or a freaking Longhorn on the tail for all I care. neither of those would change what the guy believes in, and therefore, my dislike for his beliefs.

[CyFallsMom]

Sorry, but anyone who is up in arms over the painting of Obama's campaign aircraft must have a lone bb rattling around inside his or her noggin instead of grey matter. The link explains its very well. Prior to purchasing the aircraft, Obama's campaing chartered it from North American Airlines, who operated the flights as well. North American's livery included the stylized American flag on the tail fin. Once it sold the jet, the livery needed to be changed, they couldn't leave the same scheme and the company would not have appreciated having their logo on the tail fin. If he had bought the aircraft from Delta, he wouldn't have left their livery in place, now would he?

The gripe about putting "his" symbol on the aircraft is even more ridiculous. For so long we've been hearing about how he is "presumptous" and acting like he is already the president of the United States. I ask you, what would be more presumptous than flying around the world on an aircraft draped in national symbols before you actually became president? Is it not far more appropriate for him to use the symbols of his campaign, since that is the capacity he is traveling in? Repainting the aircraft to ensure it cannot be mistaken for an offical U.S. aircraft seems to be highly appropriate, in fact the only appropriate thing to do.

Y'all are all just guzzling the haterade from the fire hydrant. Make up your mind, are you mad at him for acting presumptous and like he is already the Head of State or mad at him for not acting like he represents America abroad.

Both - and he does not and will never represent me anywhere on this planet. He's a racist, I'm not. It's not that I'm "mad" at him - just don't like him - at all. He can act Presidential all he wants - fact is, there is still an election to take place.

[RPM]

LOL! such a silly thread....

[yallerjacket]

He has a "Tricked out" Plane :-)

He is obviously a gangster and drug dealer.

[JMSFan]

He is obviously a gangster and drug dealer.

Maybe not, but he has associated with some shady characters. Most of the time, we are judged by the company we keep.

[JMSFan]

Both - and he does not and will never represent me because anywhere on this planet. He's a racist, I'm not. It's not that I'm "mad" at him - just don't like him - at all. He can act Presidential all he wants - fact is, there is still an election to take place.


:notworthy:notworthy

[dada]

I though he was a radical Muslim or a terrorist....when did he become racist? What did I miss? Being that he's mixed...which half does he hate?:confused:
I bet he punches babies and hate puppies too.:mad:

[dada]

Maybe not, but he has associated with some shady characters. Most of the time, we are judged by the company we keep.

Well I better stop hanging out in the yard on political threads.

[JMSFan]

Well I better stop hanging out in the yard on political threads.

Yea, Im no drug dealer, but I have one who I consider my mentor. And I have hung around him for 20 plus years. Even allowed him to attend my wedding, be at the baptism of my children, probably even came to Christmas dinner, but wait.... I'm not like him at all. I'm against all that stuff. I'm just a "typical white person".


Warning: Extreme sarcasm.

[dada]

Yea, Im no drug dealer, but I have one who I consider my mentor. And I have hung around him for 20 plus years. Even allowed him to attend my wedding, be at the baptism of my children, but wait.... I'm not like him at all. I'm against all that stuff.


Warning: Extreme sarcasm.

And all my childhood friends that I run with who didnt finish school and slod drugs.....I guess I blew that theroy out of the water when I was the first one to graduate HS and stay at one job 11+ years......I can see now why people look at me crazy when me and my buddies walk into a sports bar to watch a fight......now I know....go alone.

[dada]

KT2000 hangs out with me.....and he's not a pimp......I don't think:D

[ktCarl]

KT2000 hangs out with me.....and he's not a pimp......I don't think:D


Try to somehow keep me out of this conversation.

[dada]

Try to somehow keep me out of this conversation.

I know your wife stands behind you sometimes so "Disclaimer"...KtCarl is just the driver.:D

[pack75]

Both - and he does not and will never represent me because anywhere on this planet. He's a racist, I'm not. It's not that I'm "mad" at him - just don't like him - at all. He can act Presidential all he wants - fact is, there is still an election to take place.

LOL!!!
The guy is African American & Caucasian American.
Wow.:rolleyes:

[LoneRocket]

Both - and he does not and will never represent me because anywhere on this planet. He's a racist, I'm not. It's not that I'm "mad" at him - just don't like him - at all. He can act Presidential all he wants - fact is, there is still an election to take place.

What has he done that was racist? McCain supported apartheid in South Africa, Opposed MLK holiday and one of his strategist is responsible for use of that tv ad of a white woman with Harold Ford during his Senate campaign.

[LoneRocket]

LOL!!!
The guy is African American & Caucasian American.
Wow.:rolleyes:

If you want to be technical he is African and Caucasian American.

[slorch]

How shallow is it to disqualify someone from racism, because he is multiracial?

I guess the pure white folk are the only ones capable of handling that label...:rolleyes:

Aren't we smarter than that?

[BDB]

How shallow is it to disqualify someone from racism, because he is multiracial?

I guess the pure white folk are the only ones capable of handling that label...:rolleyes:

Aren't we smarter than that?

so he hates beaners and asians?

i really don't get it... i understand having a grudge being a minority (almost all minorities have it).....but does that equal out to racism?

and can we please stop patronizing those fox news dudes, cuz no one does the same for wolf blitzer here. they know damn well that when they say HUSSIEN and have the backdrop as obama in traditional kenyan garb they are trying to use a scare tactic to show similarities between him and a terrorist (it's not that compliacated), ALSO when they REPEATEDLY say OSAMA instead of OBAMA (what an unfortunate tongue slip :rolleyes:), ive never head them say john MCVAE....or twice....or (what's the count now?) 50 times.

all this talk about him being presumptuous because he is taking a "world tour" is hillarious, i guess because mccain is stayin in freakin iowa and pennsylvania, that means it's unamerican to make speeches across an ocean to try to fix our horrid generalizations that we've recieved by foriegners.... isn;t that something that a president should do? not just kiss a baby in idaho and shake some hands in sacramento....

like i've said before, im not a obama supporter, im just a hater blocker, and if someone was blasting mccain here for something trivial (not the keating 5 thing) like having his flag pin upside down during a photo op, i would be calling it too.

[nsmustang]

His plane. His logo.


Note that the TRADITIONAL American flag by the plane's registration number is still there.


Big whooping deal. I can find a lot of other reasons to distrust the guy. This is not one of them.

my .02

It really is a big deal. That flag was and still is represented by many Americans who gave up their lives and, are still putting their lives on the line for it. Then you have this guy come along and want to be the leader of the greatest country ever in the history of mankind and he puts a symbol of himself on the plane? How conceited and egotistical. He obviously is not pro American. What else will he do with a democrat congress and senate to dismantle the U.S.? It gives me chills to think about someone like him, no matter what color, race, gender or religeon, in power.

[dada]

It really is a big deal. That flag was and still is represented by many Americans who gave up their lives and, are still putting their lives on the line for it. Then you have this guy come along and want to be the leader of the greatest country ever in the history of mankind and he puts a symbol of himself on the plane? How conceited and egotistical. He obviously is not pro American. What else will he do with a democrat congress and senate to dismantle the U.S.? It gives me chills to think about someone like him, no matter what color, race, gender or religeon, in power.

Not a big deal....he bought it from North American Airlines.....what he covered was their logo...which happens ironiclly to be the American Flag....

If I buy a Houston Police car...it is now MY car.....I can't drive around with "Houston Police" on my car. Like someone else said...if the plane came from "Delta, SouthWest, TWA" or any other air line would it be a big deal?


http://www.flynaa.com/fleetinformation.aspx


talk about mole hill to mountain.....geeze.

[pack75]

Oh no! McCain doesn't have the American Flag on his campaign plane!:eek:

http://http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/06/30/gall.mccainplane.cnn.jpg
http://http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/30/mccains-new-plane/

Come on guys.:rolleyes:

[pied]

It really is a big deal. That flag was and still is represented by many Americans who gave up their lives and, are still putting their lives on the line for it. Then you have this guy come along and want to be the leader of the greatest country ever in the history of mankind and he puts a symbol of himself on the plane? How conceited and egotistical. He obviously is not pro American. What else will he do with a democrat congress and senate to dismantle the U.S.? It gives me chills to think about someone like him, no matter what color, race, gender or religeon, in power.

It gives me chills that people actually think this way.

Guy buys a plane and has the paint redone, big deal.

[slorch]

so he hates beaners and asians?

i really don't get it... i understand having a grudge being a minority (almost all minorities have it).....but does that equal out to racism?

and can we please stop patronizing those fox news dudes, cuz no one does the same for wolf blitzer here. they know damn well that when they say HUSSIEN and have the backdrop as obama in traditional kenyan garb they are trying to use a scare tactic to show similarities between him and a terrorist (it's not that compliacated), ALSO when they REPEATEDLY say OSAMA instead of OBAMA (what an unfortunate tongue slip :rolleyes:), ive never head them say john MCVAE....or twice....or (what's the count now?) 50 times.

all this talk about him being presumptuous because he is taking a "world tour" is hillarious, i guess because mccain is stayin in freakin iowa and pennsylvania, that means it's unamerican to make speeches across an ocean to try to fix our horrid generalizations that we've recieved by foriegners.... isn;t that something that a president should do? not just kiss a baby in idaho and shake some hands in sacramento....

like i've said before, im not a obama supporter, im just a hater blocker, and if someone was blasting mccain here for something trivial (not the keating 5 thing) like having his flag pin upside down during a photo op, i would be calling it too.

two different topics.

You say you don't neccessarily support Obama.

I have been clear that I will not vote for McCain.

What does that have to do with Obama's issues?

[LoneRocket]

two different topics.

You say you don't neccessarily support Obama.

I have been clear that I will not vote for McCain.

What does that have to do with Obama's issues?

Bob Barr?

[slorch]

Bob Barr?

Alfred E Neumann:D

Honestly, i haven't made up my mind.

[dada]

It gives me chills that people actually think this way.

Guy buys a plane and has the paint redone, big deal.

I wonder what logo McCain covered up when he put John McCain.com on the tail of his plane....or is that the "company" logo? How arrogant of him:rolleyes:

[LoneRocket]

I wonder what logo McCain covered up when he put John McCain.com on the tail of his plane....or is that the "company" logo? How arrogant of him:rolleyes:

The guy who shot and killed people in that church in Knoxville had these books in his home

"Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by Michael Savage,
"Let Freedom Ring" by Sean Hannity, and
"The O'Reilly Factor," by Bill O'Reilly.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

[pied]

The guy who shot and killed people in that church in Knoxville had these books in his home

"Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by Michael Savage,
"Let Freedom Ring" by Sean Hannity, and
"The O'Reilly Factor," by Bill O'Reilly.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

As I started to respond to this message, I was going to dismiss the relation. After reading some of the quotes, it is quite disturbing.

Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets."

Adkisson told Still that "he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them in to office."

Some of these quotes sound dang near verbatim of some of the stuff said on this board.

Clearly this guy went off the deep end and is an evil POS kook, but I this is where we get when all we do is try to divide ourselves and make our opponenets to be bad people.

This goes for that type of speech as well as for those who call Bush an evil guy who only wanted to get us into war and kill people.

[Firebird]

As I started to respond to this message, I was going to dismiss the relation. After reading some of the quotes, it is quite disturbing.



Some of these quotes sound dang near verbatim of some of the stuff said on this board.

Clearly this guy went off the deep end and is an evil POS kook, but I this is where we get when all we do is try to divide ourselves and make our opponenets to be bad people.

This goes for that type of speech as well as for those who call Bush an evil guy who only wanted to get us into war and kill people.


I usually agree, but it's OK to do that when someone cheers for a different team or is a high school recruit that backs out of his early commitment.:rolleyes:;)

[pied]

I usually agree, but it's OK to do that when someone cheers for a different team or is a high school recruit that backs out of his early commitment.:rolleyes:;)

Depends on where he commits to.

[dragonsdaddy]

Depends on where he commits to.

or decommits from. seems losing one is worse than never having one at all. unless it is periloser. then both are good.

[t-long20]

I though he was a radical Muslim or a terrorist....when did he become racist? What did I miss? Being that he's mixed...which half does he hate?:confused:
I bet he punches babies and hate puppies too.:mad:

What? Since we did he become racist towards his own mother and the majority of his supporters? He hates himself?

Can someone please fill in the blanks!

[CyFallsMom]

What has he done that was racist? McCain supported apartheid in South Africa, Opposed MLK holiday and one of his strategist is responsible for use of that tv ad of a white woman with Harold Ford during his Senate campaign.

You can be mixed or one race - doesn't matter - you can STILL be racist and he wrote of it in his own book!! Of course, he would like to burn that book now but a leopard doesn't change its spots.


I loathe that only WHITE people can be considered racist by so many.

[dragonsdaddy]

What? Since we did he become racist towards his own mother and the majority of his supporters? He hates himself?

Can someone please fill in the blanks!

is it impossible to believe that someone could love his mother and still hate her race? seems quite plausible to me.

[t-long20]

Sorry, but anyone who is up in arms over the painting of Obama's campaign aircraft must have a lone bb rattling around inside his or her noggin instead of grey matter. The link explains its very well. Prior to purchasing the aircraft, Obama's campaing chartered it from North American Airlines, who operated the flights as well. North American's livery included the stylized American flag on the tail fin. Once it sold the jet, the livery needed to be changed, they couldn't leave the same scheme and the company would not have appreciated having their logo on the tail fin. If he had bought the aircraft from Delta, he wouldn't have left their livery in place, now would he?

The gripe about putting "his" symbol on the aircraft is even more ridiculous. For so long we've been hearing about how he is "presumptous" and acting like he is already the president of the United States. I ask you, what would be more presumptous than flying around the world on an aircraft draped in national symbols before you actually became president? Is it not far more appropriate for him to use the symbols of his campaign, since that is the capacity he is traveling in? Repainting the aircraft to ensure it cannot be mistaken for an offical U.S. aircraft seems to be highly appropriate, in fact the only appropriate thing to do.

Y'all are all just guzzling the haterade from the fire hydrant. Make up your mind, are you mad at him for acting presumptous and like he is already the Head of State or mad at him for not acting like he represents America abroad.

Firebird prefers not to drink the haterade.:notworthy

Wait wait wait but there has got to be something for us to hate on Obama!

[t-long20]

he could put Black Panthers or a freaking Longhorn on the tail for all I care. neither of those would change what the guy believes in, and therefore, my dislike for his beliefs.

Therefore you continue your irrelevant hatred and pathetic jokes for him. I'm sure he appreciates how much you care about him.

[LoneRocket]

You can be mixed or one race - doesn't matter - you can STILL be racist and he wrote of it in his own book!! Of course, he would like to burn that book now but a leopard doesn't change its spots.


I loathe that only WHITE people can be considered racist by so many.

You read his book?

[t-long20]

Maybe not, but he has associated with some shady characters. Most of the time, we are judged by the company we keep.

Who?

[t-long20]

You can be mixed or one race - doesn't matter - you can STILL be racist and he wrote of it in his own book!! Of course, he would like to burn that book now but a leopard doesn't change its spots.


I loathe that only WHITE people can be considered racist by so many.



He is racist against the majority of his supporters:confused:

Wait untill they find out about this!

[CyFallsMom]

He is racist against the majority of his supporters:confused:

Wait untill they find out about this!

And you got this information where? I don't agree at all. If you look at the polls, it's like 30% whites and 95% of blacks for him and 10% of blacks and 85% whites for McCain - there is clearly a line but I believe it's because his policies affect the lower income (not just black) and exclude anyone in the middle income on up. Those people will be hit hard financially. I feel a Jimmy Carter Part II era creeping up on us quickly. I don't know if you lived through that or not but that alone is a very bad thing.

And I know of a few white people who were all gung ho about him until recently and have now switched...they saw the writing on the wall. Why don't you read his book - he'll tell you himself.

[pied]

And you got this information where? I don't agree at all. If you look at the polls, it's like 30% whites and 95% of blacks for him and 10% of blacks and 85% whites for McCain - there is clearly a line but I believe it's because his policies affect the lower income (not just black) and exclude anyone in the middle income on up. Those people will be hit hard financially. I feel a Jimmy Carter Part II era creeping up on us quickly. I don't know if you lived through that or not but that alone is a very bad thing.

And I know of a few white people who were all gung ho about him until recently and have now switched...they saw the writing on the wall. Why don't you read his book - he'll tell you himself.


Are you saying 95% of black people are lower income?

[CyFallsMom]

You read his book?


Yes and then I threw it in the garbage. Because that's where that sort of stuff belongs. Some of it was fine. I don't begrudge him anything until he comes to his dislike of my kind. I don't care about his background - just the things that affect me. And we aren't electing a king of the world - just a President. I don't give a crap what the world thinks of us!! I say let them all take care of themselves and see how freaking long they last!

[CyFallsMom]

Are you saying 95% of black people are lower income?

You see - that's what you libs do - you twist what I said. NO!! Because I do know better than that!! He said that he was racist towards those voting for him to imply that most of his voters will be white - that's simply not true according to the polls that have been coming out. As far as the low income - I include ANY one who is low income will come out smelling like a rose because we will be paying for them to stay home and have 40 kids!!! Don't EVEN get me going on that - and it happens with all races.

[pied]

You see - that's what you libs do - you twist what I said. NO!! Because I do know better than that!! He said that he was racist towards those voting for him to imply that most of his voters will be white - that's simply not true according to the polls that have been coming out. As far as the low income - I include ANY one who is low income will come out smelling like a rose because we will be paying for them to stay home and have 40 kids!!! Don't EVEN get me going on that - and it happens with all races.

I am not a lib.

Your posts(the last few) make little sense to me. Who's having 40 kids?

[Firebird]

And you got this information where? I don't agree at all. If you look at the polls, it's like 30% whites and 95% of blacks for him and 10% of blacks and 85% whites for McCain - there is clearly a line but I believe it's because his policies affect the lower income (not just black) and exclude anyone in the middle income on up. Those people will be hit hard financially. I feel a Jimmy Carter Part II era creeping up on us quickly. I don't know if you lived through that or not but that alone is a very bad thing.

And I know of a few white people who were all gung ho about him until recently and have now switched...they saw the writing on the wall. Why don't you read his book - he'll tell you himself.


His poll numbers are at about 30% among likely white voters. However, 30% of white voters is still more in absolute terms than 95% black voters, simply because there are almost 5X more white people in the U.S. than black people.

Thus, the majority of his supporters are indeed white. Feel free to disagree all day long, but you will be disagreeing with math.

[Firebird]

I am not a lib.

Your posts(the last few) make little sense to me. Who's having 40 kids?

Welcome to the club.

[dragonsdaddy]

His poll numbers are at about 30% among likely white voters. However, 30% of white voters is still more in absolute terms than 95% black voters, simply because there are almost 5X more white people in the U.S. than black people.

Thus, the majority of his supporters are indeed white. Feel free to disagree all day long, but you will be disagreeing with math.

how about her other corollary, that most will be low income? true or not? i guess we'd have to define low income. how about within 25% of poverty level?

[pied]

Welcome to the club.

I feel like a dope having to explain this, but I have voted for every Republican Presidential candidate that I was eligible to vote for, going back to 92. Yes that includes 2X for W.

I don't know if I am going to continue that record or not. Part of me wants to like McCain, part wants to like Obama. Part tells me their both full of crap.

Part of me wants to see Obama win just to piss off some of the people that spew unbelievable crap.

Painting a plane.........


From this thread alone:

but the little things are beginning to add up.


i agree. his stances and opinions on almost everything are more than reason enough to fear him more than any candidate since mcgovern.

I find this man to be a most despicable human being.


Someone on the radio was comparing him to Hitler in Hitler's younger days yesterday - it was uncanny and quite scary to say the least.



I'll be honest, this one made me laugh...

Don't get me wrong - I would be the first one to vote for a black President if I believed in him (or her)

[mad_fan]

I really am trying to like this guy, but the little things are beginning to add up.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

OMFG...:eek:
His plane got a paint job...
:rolleyes:

[Firebird]

how about her other corollary, that most will be low income? true or not? i guess we'd have to define low income. how about within 25% of poverty level?

I'm not sure, although that would be remarkable only if low-income voters had not swung heavily democrat in virtually every modern political race. The same would hold true with black voters. It's worth remembering that in primary season, Obama was the candidate of the educated elite wing and Hilary of the blue-collar......of course, most of those folks are now on board with Obama now that he's the nominee.

There's really nothing new to see here with either candidate.....neither is coming close to capturing a true majority and both are performing well in their respective party bases. Business as usual, and the histrionics about Obama as either devil or messiah are overblown...also, as usual.

[dragonsdaddy]

I'm not sure, although that would be remarkable only if low-income voters had not swung heavily democrat in virtually every modern political race. The same would hold true with black voters. It's worth remembering that in primary season, Obama was the candidate of the educated elite wing and Hilary of the blue-collar......of course, most of those folks are now on board with Obama now that he's the nominee.

There's really nothing new to see here with either candidate.....neither is coming close to capturing a true majority and both are performing well in their respective party bases. Business as usual, and the histrionics about Obama as either devil or messiah are overblown...also, as usual.

i guess my point was that this effect would easily explain about 90% of the white vote.

[DragonWatcher]

His poll numbers are at about 30% among likely white voters. However, 30% of white voters is still more in absolute terms than 95% black voters, simply because there are almost 5X more white people in the U.S. than black people.

Thus, the majority of his supporters are indeed white. Feel free to disagree all day long, but you will be disagreeing with math.

There seems to be a lot of truthiness being argued from both sides on here and in the workplace, and for those that have never heard of truthiness it's a great new word coined by Stephen Colbert to describe things that a person claims to know intuitively or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

[mad_fan]

There seems to be a lot of truthiness being argued from both sides on here and in the workplace, and for those that have never heard of truthiness it's a great new word coined by Stephen Colbert to describe things that a person claims to know intuitively or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

Nothing new...it's been this way since Reformation...