Strake Jesuit vs. Cinco Ranch

[htownfootball]

strake takes on cinco ranch saturday afternoon in katy, texas at rhodes stadium where strake is 1-0 this season. strake is 8-0 looking for 9-0 and a chance to make the coin flip for a 19-5a championship vs 8-0 katy.
cinco ranch is 3-5 (2-3) with their last 2 wins being shutouts vs elsik and alief taylor where they averaged 34.5 points between the 2 games. the cougars are coming off a 37-6 loss to katy at rhodes.
if strake wins the coin toss they play FB marshall that is 8-0 right now. if they lose it they get 2nd in 19-5A but play clements from 20-5A who is 6-3 (5-2). katy are strake will play in the d2 5a playoffs.

[KT2000]

I think Strake will win this game. I don't think Cinco has enough offense to beat the Crusaders given the health issues at QB, but the defenses of both teams should be evenly matched. It should be a defensive football game, but I like Strake's ability to score those key points better than Cinco.

[ktCarl]

This game should be close unless Cinco just lays down for the Crusaders. Strake is opportunistic and seem to get points when needed. Cinco lacks those qualities but does have some good LB's. If Cinco shows up the game could be close like the Strake/K.Taylor game. Look for Strake to pull it out by at least 6.
I may go see Katy's game for a half then trot to Rhodes for the Strake game (root against Strake) and then mosey on over to Mercer to see FB Marshall. It's getting to the fun time of the season!

[KatyTigerDad0407]

strake takes on cinco ranch saturday afternoon in katy, texas at rhodes stadium where strake is 1-0 this season. strake is 8-0 looking for 9-0 and a chance to make the coin flip for a 19-5a championship vs 8-0 katy.
cinco ranch is 3-5 (2-3) with their last 2 wins being shutouts vs elsik and alief taylor where they averaged 34.5 points between the 2 games. the cougars are coming off a 37-6 loss to katy at rhodes.
if strake wins the coin toss they play FB marshall that is 8-0 right now. if they lose it they get 2nd in 19-5A but play clements from 20-5A who is 6-3 (5-2). katy are strake will play in the d2 5a playoffs.

I'm confused. I think if Strake wins you will be the #1 seed and play the #2 seed in FB 205a, which would not be Marshall, but either Clements or Kempner. But I may be wrong.

[kttigersrock]

strake takes on cinco ranch saturday afternoon in katy, texas at rhodes stadium where strake is 1-0 this season. strake is 8-0 looking for 9-0 and a chance to make the coin flip for a 19-5a championship vs 8-0 katy.
cinco ranch is 3-5 (2-3) with their last 2 wins being shutouts vs elsik and alief taylor where they averaged 34.5 points between the 2 games. the cougars are coming off a 37-6 loss to katy at rhodes.
if strake wins the coin toss they play FB marshall that is 8-0 right now. if they lose it they get 2nd in 19-5A but play clements from 20-5A who is 6-3 (5-2). katy are strake will play in the d2 5a playoffs.

Couple of clarifications - if Strake wins and Katy wins, they will both be undefeated in district (of course they did not play each other, which has been discussed ad nauseum on this and other boards, and we don't need to go there) a coin flip will not be 'for a 19-5a championship', but simply to determine seeding in the first round of the playoffs.

My understanding is the coin toss has already occured, and Strake won, therefore they would go in as 'top' seed (we don't need to go there, either) from 19-5a :cool: and play second seed from 20-5a. Katy, should they win out, draws FB Marshall.

Doesn't really matter...the new season begins next week.

[ktfiend]

I'm confused. I think if Strake wins you will be the #1 seed and play the #2 seed in FB 205a, which would not be Marshall, but either Clements or Kempner. But I may be wrong.


Your exactly right. #1 from 19-5a plays #2 from 20-5a in the first round.

[Fan4Life]

So Katy is going to play Marshall unless Strake loses against Cinco right?

[fridayfan]

Yup, we will all find out on Sat.

[TheOnceandFutureKnight]

Strake already won the coin toss.

[htownfootball]

strake won? when was this revealed? and do you know where they did it?

[kttigersrock]

strake won? when was this revealed? and do you know where they did it?

I think the coin flip occurred on Tuesday. I heard the Tiger team was told that day.

[ktrain]

strake won? when was this revealed? and do you know where they did it?

I smell another press release coming.

[htownfootball]

so if strake and katy both go 9-0, strake wins 19-5A. doesnt that break a katy 19-5A champ streak? what do the coaches/community think about this (IN A NON ARGUMENTATIVE WAY)?

remember, i am pro strake playing katy

[KatyTigerDad0407]

so if strake and katy both go 9-0, strake wins 19-5A. doesnt that break a katy 19-5A champ streak? what do the coaches/community think about this (IN A NON ARGUMENTATIVE WAY)?

remember, i am pro strake playing katy

Settle down, they flip to award seeding in the playoffs not for disrtict championship.

[OfficerCartman]

Strake will NOT break Katy's streak, they will be co-champions. The coin flip did not determine district champions, it determined the seeding for playoffs.

[KTHoC]

Strake has to beat Cinco for the co-champions status. If they do that will then put them as the #1 seed and Katy the #2 in DII. Katy will match up with FB Marshall in that case. If Cinco wins, Strake will match up with FB Marshall. Katy would then get the #2 seed in 20-5A. I am hoping Cinco takes care of business. Expect a close game. Clayton wants the win to end the season regardless of their playoff status. I was hoping it would storm really bad over Rhodes for about an hour and a half to delay the start of that game. Would then be able to see the end of that game after Katy beats Alief Taylor! :D

[SmilinTiger]

so if strake and katy both go 9-0, strake wins 19-5A. doesnt that break a katy 19-5A champ streak? what do the coaches/community think about this (IN A NON ARGUMENTATIVE WAY)?

remember, i am pro strake playing katy

Don't pee in your pants, wishful thinker.

[TXfbfan]

so if strake and katy both go 9-0, strake wins 19-5A. doesnt that break a katy 19-5A champ streak? what do the coaches/community think about this (IN A NON ARGUMENTATIVE WAY)?

remember, i am pro strake playing katy

Its not much of a streak, Katy got 3rd in 02

[TigerV1]

so if strake and katy both go 9-0, strake wins 19-5A. doesnt that break a katy 19-5A champ streak? what do the coaches/community think about this (IN A NON ARGUMENTATIVE WAY)?

remember, i am pro strake playing katy

Neither team has win this weekend's games so nothing is set now. If both go 9-0 then its a co-championship.

If the district championship was decided by a coin and Katy lost...........and you think their is bitterness between Katy and Strake now......I would hate to be Strake if I had to play Katy again. Can anyone say 100-0......Ha!

[TheOnceandFutureKnight]

strake won? when was this revealed? and do you know where they did it?

I dont know where, but it was revealed when I called Strake's front office Tuesday afternoon and asked them about it after I read the first few posts on this thread.

Amazing what a phone call can do instead of random internet spec.

[Red Raiders]

I think Strake will win and plus I picked them in the Contest...

[SmilinTiger]

Its not much of a streak, Katy got 3rd in 02

And went to the State Semi-finals.

[TXfbfan]

I know i was there. That district was amazing that year. If Katy wouldnt have beat their district champs Hastings, Hastings could have went on to lose to SLC at state

[OfficerCartman]

huh?

[TigerV1]

I know i was there. That district was amazing that year. If Katy wouldnt have beat their district champs Hastings, Hastings could have went on to lose to SLC at state

Hastings would have still had to have gotten past Smithson Valley. Not sure they would have been up to the task.

[STJL41]

I may go see Katy's game for a half then trot to Rhodes for the Strake game (root against Strake) and then mosey on over to Mercer to see FB Marshall. It's getting to the fun time of the season!

I was hoping it would storm really bad over Rhodes for about an hour and a half to delay the start of that game. Would then be able to see the end of that game after Katy beats Alief Taylor! :D

Unless I missed something, y'all shouldn't have to hurry in order to see both games. According to the schedules I'm looking at, Katy plays A. Taylor tonight (11/4) and Cinco goes up against Strake tomorrow (11/5). I could be wrong, but I'm just going by what I am reading on the school websites.

Maybe I didn't get the memo.

[salsashark]

Its not much of a streak, Katy got 3rd in 02
That was when 19 5A was the BOMB! I think we were the only district with all three still playing at regional.

[salsashark]

Unless I missed something, y'all shouldn't have to hurry in order to see both games. According to the schedules I'm looking at, Katy plays A. Taylor tonight (11/4) and Cinco goes up against Strake tomorrow (11/5). I could be wrong, but I'm just going by what I am reading on the school websites.

Maybe I didn't get the memo.
Nope. Both games are Sat. at 2.

[FreshmanTiger]

Myself and a co-worker who went to Strake believe Katy would win if they played this year.

But over time Strake has the ability to become a Saint Ignatius (Ohio). Since the Jesuit schools have the ability to recruit and provide a kid with a great education they can become a powerhouse like Saint Ignatius (OHSAA Division I State Titles: Football 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1999, & 2001)

This is also the reason I believe Jesuit schools if playing in the UIL should not be allowed to offer scholarships to athletes. What kid and parents would not take advantage of the education offered by Strake if it was free or greatly discounted like a college scholarship? Strake is just like Saint Ignatius in the fact that they are next to large metro city and can have their pickings. I know if they offered a scholarship to my son I would drive him there everyday.

But those how believe they could be Katy this year I would have to disagree.

http://www.ignatius.edu/

[Fleeman93]

Katy could beat the jesuits by 60 if they wanted to.

[FreshmanTiger]

I agree I have yet to see Katy's starters go past the first drive in the second half.

[FreshmanTiger]

Also in good news

Katy's Freshman A and B won District
Katy's Soph are Co-District Champs
and Katy's JV won District.

The winning just keeps on going.

[Drake]

Freshman,

Thanks for the compliment. Yes, anyone that is even somewhat knowledgeable realizes that anyone that had a chance to go to Strake, probably would.

However, you must not be entirely up-to-date because the school does NOT offer athletic scholarships. The top five scorers on Strake's entrance exam (out of 500 test takers) receive a partial grant and there is financial aid available that can be applied for IF a student meets the school's academic requirements. Student transfers are not accepted after the beginning of their sophomore year. Strake's ethos towards education is the reason for these rules and I doubt they will ever be changed to accomodate the football team. As you can see, they make it difficult to "recruit".

Fear of recruiting is such a phobia anyway. What do you think Strake would do, have scouts at all the 8th grade games in Texas? Comb the Katy youth leagues for talent? Geez... Everyone is worried about what Strake MIGHT do down the road but never mentions how many standout players re-locate to attend some of the state's powerhouses just before their freshman year... Is Katy's varsity devoid of transfer players? How did Cinco end up with that McDermott kid? You're all a bunch of hypocrites whether your intelligent enough to recognize it or not.

By the way Freshman, Strake's Freshman A team went undefeated and UNTIED. That makes them AT LEAST co-champs with Katy and possible more. Didn't your A team tie a game?

[Drake]

Katy could beat the jesuits by 60 if they wanted to.

Fleeman,

They'd probably want to.

I attended the Strake sophomores Vs. The Cinco JV last night. Pretty good game, ended up 34-19. Without several critical turnovers Strake may have had a chance. Strake couldn't field a sophomore and JV so they moved the juniors to varsity and that left them with a soph team. They give the opponent the option of bringing their JV or Soph team to play.

I bring it up because Cinco blitzed with less than a minute left in the game and clobbered the Strake QB and recovered his fumble inside Strake's 10 yard line. With the game decided, Cinco tried to score again. One of the Strake players told me that even the referee's took exception exclaiming to the Strake defense, "I guess they feel they need to score again"... They fumbled on their third attempt so the score didn't change...

I'm just wondering, as the referee wondered, why they needed to score again? Is a 15 point win not good enough in Katy? Was the game too close for a JV v. Soph game? Does humiliating teams build character? Explain, if you will...

[FreshmanTiger]

Freshman,

Thanks for the compliment. Yes, anyone that is even somewhat knowledgeable realizes that anyone that had a chance to go to Strake, probably would.

However, you must not be entirely up-to-date because the school does NOT offer athletic scholarships. The top five scorers on Strake's entrance exam (out of 500 test takers) receive a partial grant and there is financial aid available that can be applied for IF a student meets the school's academic requirements. Student transfers are not accepted after the beginning of their sophomore year. Strake's ethos towards education is the reason for these rules and I doubt they will ever be changed to accomodate the football team. As you can see, they make it difficult to "recruit".

Fear of recruiting is such a phobia anyway. What do you think Strake would do, have scouts at all the 8th grade games in Texas? Comb the Katy youth leagues for talent? Geez... Everyone is worried about what Strake MIGHT do down the road but never mentions how many standout players re-locate to attend some of the state's powerhouses just before their freshman year... Is Katy's varsity devoid of transfer players? How did Cinco end up with that McDermott kid? You're all a bunch of hypocrites whether your intelligent enough to recognize it or not.

By the way Freshman, Strake's Freshman A team went undefeated and UNTIED. That makes them AT LEAST co-champs with Katy and possible more. Didn't your A team tie a game?

Strake,

It was a complement, and I know you guys have several rules in place. But most are self imposed such as the rule that a player transferring in has to sit out a year. I know you guys have been having a problem with this with the LA kids. Which I have no problem with them playing since they are from out of the state and they need to enjoy their last year of school like anyone else. But Saint Ignatius has many of the same rules and rules can be changed. I'm not a huge football fan in that I can not tell you what the kids name is on a team from the other side of the state, but I just love a good football game and I truly love to watch my boys play.

The freshman A team was 4-0-1 in district
B was 5-0
Soph were 4-1
JV was 5-0

If we are Co-Champs great I look forward to many years of good football to come.

[Drake]

And another thing. Most states allow privates to compete with publics for titles. Hundreds of private schools play with public schools across the country. Many states have systems and rules to deal with any perceived inequities that might occur. The UIL can fairly address the issue if they think it is unfair now, or they can just whine and complain like they have been. For you to use the one program (Saint Ignatius Ohio) most infamous for recruiting as your example and paint the Jesuit schools with that brush when there are many more examples of fair co-existance between publics and privates makes you either ignorant or disengenuous... Tell me which?

[Drake]

And another thing. Most states allow privates to compete with publics for titles. Hundreds of private schools play with public schools across the country. Many states have systems and rules to deal with any perceived inequities that might occur. The UIL can fairly address the issue if they think it is unfair now, or they can just whine and complain like they have been. For you to use the one program (Saint Ignatius Ohio) most infamous for recruiting as your example and paint the Jesuit schools with that brush when there are many more examples of fair co-existance between publics and privates makes you either ignorant or disengenuous... Tell me which?

[Drake]

And another thing. I didn't mean to post that twice :)

[GoRangers]

Doesn't UIL require coaches to also be classroom teachers, not just full-time coaches? I thought this was one of the gripes against privates, like Strake.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

You're all a bunch of hypocrites whether your intelligent enough to recognize it or not.

Strake you have made several aruements that seem valid. Especially since you go to great lengths to let us know where you are coming from. You put us, the reader, in your shoes so to speak. I can empathize. "It is better to understand than to be understood." Good luck tommorrow against Cinco, StrakeDrake.

[Pride of Katy]

Drake,

"I bring it up because Cinco blitzed"

"I'm just wondering, as the referee wondered, why they needed to score again? Is a 15 point win not good enough in Katy? Was the game too close for a JV v. Soph game? Does humiliating teams build character? Explain, if you will..."


Notice the two statements above copied partially from your earlier post. You start with Cinco and then mention Katy....Whoa partner... :mad:
Two completely different worlds here, Cinco may be part of KISD but they definately are not KATY... maybe nitpickin' but I felt needed to be pointed out.

[Pride of Katy]

Drake,

Relax first of all he is a Freshman and you are getting all worked up and tongue tied...disengenuous :confused: maybe he can and will respond to disingenuous ;)

[SmilinTiger]

Fleeman,

They'd probably want to.

I attended the Strake sophomores Vs. The Cinco JV last night. Pretty good game, ended up 34-19. Without several critical turnovers Strake may have had a chance. Strake couldn't field a sophomore and JV so they moved the juniors to varsity and that left them with a soph team. They give the opponent the option of bringing their JV or Soph team to play.

I bring it up because Cinco blitzed with less than a minute left in the game and clobbered the Strake QB and recovered his fumble inside Strake's 10 yard line. With the game decided, Cinco tried to score again. One of the Strake players told me that even the referee's took exception exclaiming to the Strake defense, "I guess they feel they need to score again"... They fumbled on their third attempt so the score didn't change...

I'm just wondering, as the referee wondered, why they needed to score again? Is a 15 point win not good enough in Katy? Was the game too close for a JV v. Soph game? Does humiliating teams build character? Explain, if you will...

Katy High School football teams will never, ever run up the score. If you were to take a stroll through the halls of KHS or the field house, the majority of trophies you will see are those for Sportsmanship. Awarded by the OTHER team.

You need to chill out, StrakeDrake.

[westhoustonfb]

Cinco freshmen A beat Strake 29-14 so Strake didn't go undefeated. Also, Strake should understand that if you throw the ball then expect someone to rush...that is football...either protect your QB or don't throw. Kind of hard running up the score on QB sneaks...again get your defense to stop QB sneaks. Should be a good game Saturday afternoon but Cinco is really down after Elsik let Hastings off the hook...don't ever count on the Alief schools...get the job done yourself.

[The Lone Ranger]

Doesn't UIL require coaches to also be classroom teachers, not just full-time coaches? I thought this was one of the gripes against privates, like Strake.

The Jesuit schools NEVER had full-time coaches. They had people who volunteered AFTER they did other, non-school related jobs.

All coaches now (at least at Dallas Jesuit) teach at least one class, be it Freshman English, AP World History, or Physical Education. Only one head coach doesn't teach at the school...and he is the head of the diocesan middle school athletic program and has a UIL waiver to coach, as he is considered the equivalent of a school-district employee.

[TheOnceandFutureKnight]

But Cinco is really down after Elsik let Hastings off the hook...don't ever count on the Alief schools...get the job done yourself.


1) Did you take a poll of CR players after the game to garner this info? Because my brother's son was chomping at the bit this morning when I talked to him about playing in it.

2) Cinco tried to get the job done themselves, but Hastings was chicken to play them and voted against the make-up games.

[SuperBuffs]

I thought Strake was good, I only heard about them.....I am listening to Cinco Ranch giving them a hard time. Either Strake Jesuit is not that good or CR is better than their record.


Strake could not score from the 5 yard line.....if Strake plays Fort Bend Marshall in the first round.....THE BUFFS ARE GOING TO STOMP THE CRUSADERS.

[ktfiend]

Cinco came into the game with a bit of a revenge factor after being embarrassed by the Crusaders last year. I knew they had the team to win but didn't think they would actually pull it off.

[Capt Call]

Katy's starters did not come out of the Cinco Ranch game until there were 2 minutes left in the game.

Also threw for the last TD- wanted to make sure they hit their average of 41 or whatever. Threw again with back-up QB when the score was 37-6.

[Drake]

Just got back from the Strake-Cinco game. It was worth seeing. Can't help but admire all the kids, coaches and fans I saw today...

Congratulations to Cinco - Cinco played a good game and made the plays when they really needed them. It was very impressive that they played so hard when their fate had already been decided the night before. Cinco has an excellent team and great fans.

Congratulations to Strake - Though nothing seemed to go right for them in the first half (mostly because of Cinco's effort) and they trailed 15-0 at the break, they kept their chins up and fought back. Their effort was nearly rewarded and the game was in doubt until Cinco put it away with two huge first downs at the end. Hats off to the Crusaders for a great regular season.

Congratulations to Katy Tigers - No one ever questioned who had the best team in 19-5A. You won all your games, you are the best, and you deserve to be top seed from our district. Good luck to you in the weeks ahead.

[StrakeJesuit07]

i have never been so disappointed after a game than i was today. cinco played well, but i wouldnt say we were "exposed." we had no running back and no corner since jonathan moore was out, ogbonoya was knocked out of the game with a concussion and bandy had a concussion but stayed in the game. the game came down to one play and we just caught some bad luck for the millionth time that day. maybe itll turn out well, give us a wakeup that we have to be more ready to play. oh well hats off to cinco. all you katy fans, we lost, have a ball

[TigerV1]

i have never been so disappointed after a game than i was today. cinco played well, but i wouldnt say we were "exposed." we had no running back and no corner since jonathan moore was out, ogbonoya was knocked out of the game with a concussion and bandy had a concussion but stayed in the game. the game came down to one play and we just caught some bad luck for the millionth time that day. maybe itll turn out well, give us a wakeup that we have to be more ready to play. oh well hats off to cinco. all you katy fans, we lost, have a ball

Strake got beat, plain and simple. Don't take away from either team by making excuses about injured players. Just make sure they are healthy and ready to go next week. I am sure it was a good game either way.

Congrats to Strake for making it to the playoffs in only their second year in UIL play!

[ktCarl]

Don't make excuses SL07. Cinco has at least as good a defense as K Taylor if not better plus Cinco has a little bit better offense that K Taylor. I thought it would be a close game but thought that Strake would win by 6.
Will Thompson and Andre Dean didn't even suit up for Katy's game. So there's two top starters on the sidelines for Katy and they still rolled. You guys were in the game until the end and could have won. No shame in that. Strake will probably show well ifor 19-5A in the first playoff game Saturday.

[Owned05]

i have never been so disappointed after a game than i was today. cinco played well, but i wouldnt say we were "exposed." we had no running back and no corner since jonathan moore was out, ogbonoya was knocked out of the game with a concussion and bandy had a concussion but stayed in the game. the game came down to one play and we just caught some bad luck for the millionth time that day. maybe itll turn out well, give us a wakeup that we have to be more ready to play. oh well hats off to cinco. all you katy fans, we lost, have a ball

Man..sounds like some of those Humble kids from back in '02.

"So and so was hurt or we would've won.."

Haha. Get over it, man. Concentrate on Marshall, from what I've heard, they're the real deal over there. Strake'll be one and done in the playoffs, yall have the talent, just no depth.

Congrats to Cinco for knocking off the previously undefeated Crusaders.

I am now, Strake07, going to have a ball and watch VT lose to Miami..it'll give UT some breathing room.

PEACE!

[StrakeJesuit07]

not trying to make excuses, we lost fair and square and cinco played well. i was just trying to say i dont think we were "exposed" seeing as we were missing our biggest offensive threat. thats no excuse for losing the game though. good job cinco, good luck katy.

also, when will we know when and where our game will be?

[SmilinTiger]

Katy's starters did not come out of the Cinco Ranch game until there were 2 minutes left in the game.

Also threw for the last TD- wanted to make sure they hit their average of 41 or whatever. Threw again with back-up QB when the score was 37-6.

Boo hoo hoo.

[Haysrebels#1]

either go to the UIL site or call the school monday

[rellufnalla]

I went to the Katy/Aleif Taylor game @ Crump today. The crowd was a good showing but a little quiet for a Katy game.

There was a moment just before halftime though, that the fans really got excited and cheered very loudly. It happened when the announcer gave the news that Cinco was ahead 15- 0 over Strake.

Thanks, Cinco. We owe you one.

[Capt Call]

I agree I have yet to see Katy's starters go past the first drive in the second half.

Oh, not whining smiley, just pointing out the horse dung of the above quote & attempt to humiliate a CRHS defense that had played their tails off all year. KHS wanted to do everything to make sure that they hit their average points & yardage. They didn't.

Katy is the best team in 195A - no doubt. But let's not have everyone believing the horsedung about their "sportsmanship."

[OfficerCartman]

Do you hear that?



It's the world's smallest violin playing for Strake

[Capt Call]

Violin? Strake? They didn't want any part of Katy - Hoped to be co-district champs by default.

Take your small violin back to Austin.

[htownfootball]

all strake fans please stop whining about the game. without jonathan moore, the crusaders had it coming. I was rooting for strake but still take the loss. sure bandy fumbled it at the 1 for the touchback but strake is 8-1 and headed to the texas 5A playoffs in the second year of UIL football. its all gonna be alright.

[Capt Call]

all strake fans please stop whining about the game. without jonathan moore, the crusaders had it coming. I was rooting for strake but still take the loss. sure bandy fumbled it at the 1 for the touchback but strake is 8-1 and headed to the texas 5A playoffs in the second year of UIL football. its all gonna be alright.

Hope I've not been mistaken for "strakefan"

Only correction I'll make is that bandy was turned on his head & removed from the ball.

Enjoy the 5A play-offs strake

[unoit]

I just want to know why, ya'll think Katy runs up the score? They have pulled their starters early everygame. Most of the time one series after half time. Why would they want to take a chance of someone getting hurt to get stats? Just shows how dumb some posters are on here. Katy is probably the least concerned team in Texas about stats. They have never put up huge numbers. This year it just happens we can throw the ball a little bit and the competetion is alot weaker. Heck if anything they wanted some closer games since at one point in the season the starters went over 3 weeks without playing a more than 1 total half. Stats??? Honestly thats just ridiculous. Great job Cinco.

[OfficerCartman]

Violin? Strake? They didn't want any part of Katy - Hoped to be co-district champs by default.

Take your small violin back to Austin.

Why don't you sue me to get me to take it back? Maybe you can get that Congressman up here to help you out too.

[Capt Call]

Why don't you sue me to get me to take it back? Maybe you can get that Congressman up here to help you out too.


You're confused. I'll use simple words: strake whiny; want to have cake & eat it, too. katy good; no want potential rivals thinkin' they're near as good.

Keep lawsuits (& mention thereof) & congressmen in liberal-no -HS-football-playin-austin.

[Drake]

I keep reading on this and other boards how Cinco got screwed because one weekend of games were not made up. Their Coach Clayton is claiming they have now proven they were the 2nd best team in the district and should be in the playoffs...

After beating Strake yesterday, they finished their season 4-5 overall and 3-3 in district, OUT of the playoffs...

Call me simple but, it seems to me if they were truly the 2nd best team in district they'd have finished 5-1 and would have easily made the playoffs... No?

As always, my viewpoint will be in the minority, but the way I see it is... Either they're NOT the 2nd best team in the district OR, they ARE and did not take care of business week in and week out. If its the latter, perhaps Coach Clayton should stop blaming everything else and start blaming himself...

[rwilleby]

As it stands, SJ IS the second best team in 19 5A... Hastings is third and Cinco is fourth...

Cinco might have a point for discussion if they had finished 5-1...

So, for the third time, when and where do you guys play next week?

[Drake]

As it stands, SJ IS the second best team in 19 5A... Hastings is third and Cinco is fourth...

Cinco might have a point for discussion if they had finished 5-1...

So, for the third time, when and where do you guys play next week?
Sorry... According to the HouChron: Fri, 7:30pm, Crump vs. Marshall.

I wish it had been somewhere else. Astroturf doesn't enhance our offense like it might other teams. (Even grassy turf seems slower)

[rwilleby]

Sorry... According to the HouChron: Fri, 7:30pm, Crump vs. Marshall.

I wish it had been somewhere else. Astroturf doesn't enhance our offense like it might other teams. (Even grassy turf seems slower)
I may be the only red shirt there, but I would like to see you guys play from the green side...

[Tut]

[QUOTE=StrakeDrake]I keep reading on this and other boards how Cinco got screwed because one weekend of games were not made up. Their Coach Clayton is claiming they have now proven they were the 2nd best team in the district and should be in the playoffs...
QUOTE]

Cinco can whine too. Second in district - no, but IF they had played Hastings and beaten them, they would be in the playoffs. Looks like Clayton is one for two in these statements (if these are real quotes).

Congrats & Thanks to Cinco on hanging tough!!!

Good luck to both Hastings and Strake in the playoffs!

[Drake]

Quote from Coach Clayton in a pretty classless article in the KatyTimes:

“Last week, Katy proved to us they were the best team in the district,” Clayton said. “We told our kids, there’s no reason we shouldn’t go out this week and prove we’re the second-best team. Things went down in a way that we couldn’t make the playoffs, but if it’s not us winning the district, we want it to be Katy or Mayde Creek or Taylor, you keep that district title in Katy ISD where it belongs.”

Again, if they WERE the 2nd best team they should have gone 5-1 in district, not 3-3. Looks like Coach Clayton must be wasting his talent over there, doesn't it?

The entire article is at http://www.katytimes.com/articles/2005/11/06/sports/00cinco.txt

The title of the article, "Public Exposure - Cinco Ranch stops Strake, 15-10"
makes it classless in my opinion.

[AZTiger]

it's called community pride. you're not liked. get over it. if you want another article read the one in the chronicle.

[KTTex]

"Again, if they WERE the 2nd best team they should have gone 5-1 in district, not 3-3. Looks like Coach Clayton must be wasting his talent over there, doesn't it?" (StrakeDrake)

Yea, Coach Clayton "wasted" it all on Strake.

If Cinco wasn't talented - how did they beat Strake?

Coach Clayton is nothing but class.

Remember one of those 3 loses were from playing Katy Tigers - one Strake would have had if they had played.


Thank you Cinco Cougars for beating Strake and sitting the record straight, as least for the Katy Tigers.

Too bad you didn't get to play Hastings - you probably would have been in the D1 playoffs.


And regarding the Katy Times article: Much more accurate than the Chronicle articles. Much more talented writing also.

"Cinco Ranch stops Strake, 15 - 10" Whats classless about that? It's a fact isn't it?

If anything is classless - it's "your opinion".

[Drake]

it's called community pride. you're not liked. get over it. if you want another article read the one in the chronicle.

Like I said, it was my opinion.

If it enhances your "community pride" to demean an overachieving high school football team and take a swipe at 15 to 18 yr old kids with a title like "Public Exposure - Cinco Ranch stops Strake, 15-10", by all means, go for it...

By the way, I did read the article in the Houston Chronicle... I thought their writer was able to "expose" the better side of both teams and show the true sportsmanship on display yesterday...

Their article: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/fbh/3441813

[AZTiger]

Read that one too.

I'm not trying to rehash the whole bitterness towards Strake, because I believe that dead horse was beaten so bad there is nothing left of the poor colt. I think you're just taking that headline a bit too seriously.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

It's O.K to cry. Go ahead let it out. No shame in crying. I've cryed over my team in the past.

If you carry bitterness into next week it will bite you.

[Drake]

"Again, if they WERE the 2nd best team they should have gone 5-1 in district, not 3-3. Looks like Coach Clayton must be wasting his talent over there, doesn't it?" (StrakeDrake)

Yea, Coach Clayton "wasted" it all on Strake. Any objective observer who saw the game knows that Cinco won, but the game could have gone either way

If Cinco wasn't talented - how did they beat Strake? I never claimed Cinco was not talented. My question was, stated differently, if Cinco was the 2nd best team in 19-5A, why did they go 3-3 and who should be blamed for that?

Coach Clayton is nothing but class. I'm sure. The game was hard fought and the sportsmanship evident.

Remember one of those 3 loses were from playing Katy Tigers - one Strake would have had if they had played. Seems irrelevant as things worked out, but assuming those games were played and Katy beat Strake... Strake still goes 5-2 in district and Cinco goes 4-3 assuming they beat Hastings, a big assumption.

Thank you Cinco Cougars for beating Strake and sitting the record straight, as least for the Katy Tigers. Katy is the best team in the district, no one ever claimed otherwise.

Too bad you didn't get to play Hastings - you probably would have been in the D1 playoffs. Hastings did what they had to do to get in the playoffs, Cinco did not. Its a disservice to Hastings to slight their achievement or assume Cinco would have beaten them.

And regarding the Katy Times article: Much more accurate than the Chronicle articles. Much more talented writing also.

"Cinco Ranch stops Strake, 15 - 10" Whats classless about that? It's a fact isn't it? Thats not the ENTIRE title. You left off the first two words, "Public Exposure", which is nothing but an attempt to demean a HIGH SCHOOL football team.

If anything is classless - it's "your opinion". I disagree, but accept that you're entitled to yours :)

[rwilleby]

Read that one too.

I'm not trying to rehash the whole bitterness towards Strake, because I believe that dead horse was beaten so bad there is nothing left of the poor colt. I think you're just taking that headline a bit too seriously.
I'll have to agree with you AZ... It's old news now...

SJ had a great second season... They should be proud of their accomplishments... I hope they do well in the playoffs...

Katy holds the District Title, straight out... At the end of the day everything worked itself out as to who should be number one... Looking forward to the possibility of playing in December...

Hastings pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and won a few games... I would have never thought that would happen by their play at the beginning of the season... The Cinco/Hastings game was key, but not the only thing that kept them out... Questionable call on the spike made a difference... Hastings beating Elsik was a surprise...

Cinco finished with a win, but not enough to make it to the big dance... I think Katy folks have a renewed respect for Cinco, at least in their support of our community... I too wish they were in the third spot...

The papers... May be skewed one way or the other... Half will like what they say and half won't... Some are more accurate than others... Some favor others more than they should...

Katy and SJ are going to play next week... It's all good today...

[Drake]

It's O.K to cry. Go ahead let it out. No shame in crying. I've cryed over my team in the past.

If you carry bitterness into next week it will bite you.

Dad, assuming that was directed at moi...

I'm not crying. Whats their to cry about? Our team made the playoffs and probably exceeded everyone's but their own expectations this season. Add to that the obstacles that they have overcome and the way they've hung against the adversity they've faced and I can't do anything but beam when I think about it. I'm so glad my son is in this program, whether we ever compete on the field with the Katys, North Shores and SLCs of Texas football or not.

If AZTiger is right and we're not liked, it ain't because of this group of kids... Obviously, I admire them greatly.

[AZTiger]

You're right, it's not because of the kids, they've had a great season.

It's Joe Dixon or whatever that tool's name is. That's who we hate.

[Drake]

Dad, also...

This is just a debate... Its what makes these boards interesting for me... I don't EXPECT you or anyone to agree with me, just show me and other readers why I'm wrong. I realize that's a bit tougher than responding with "no one likes you" or "cry if you want", but it makes my experience here more enjoyable, and I'm betting it would do the same for you...

[TheOnceandFutureKnight]

The title of the article, "Public Exposure - Cinco Ranch stops Strake, 15-10"
makes it classless in my opinion.

The purpose of a headline is to catch the potential readers' attention and entice them to read the story.

It's a play on words, your team is in the playoffs, stop being such a crybaby, if you don't like that newspaper, don't read it!

[Tut]

Quote from Coach Clayton in a pretty classless article in the KatyTimes:

“Last week, Katy proved to us they were the best team in the district,” Clayton said. “We told our kids, there’s no reason we shouldn’t go out this week and prove we’re the second-best team. Things went down in a way that we couldn’t make the playoffs, but if it’s not us winning the district, we want it to be Katy or Mayde Creek or Taylor, you keep that district title in Katy ISD where it belongs.”
The title of the article, "Public Exposure - Cinco Ranch stops Strake, 15-10"
makes it classless in my opinion.

Get over the headline. It's meant to grab attention. Also, what's wrong with telling the team something to motivate them? Cinco gave Katy it's best district game this year, something Strake failed to try. Remember, this would be the second loss if that game HAD been played!

Quote from the Chronicle:
"We were certainly driving," Counter said. "I would have loved to have gotten that co-championship. But I would have also loved to have played Katy. They have such a respectable program, and I really wanted to see how our guys would measure up."
This is easy to say after the fact, but different from what he said in the earlier Chronicle article which you were so proud of and the FACT that Strake voted not to. Strake's kids have put up a valiant effort but the administration has failed to equal it.

[Drake]

The purpose of a headline is to catch the potential readers' attention and entice them to read the story.

It's a play on words, your team is in the playoffs, stop being such a crybaby, if you don't like that newspaper, don't read it!

I said nothing about not liking the paper and didn't even take exception with the body of the article. I clearly stated that I thought the TITLE made the article "classless".

Now, I'm a decently receptive person but I just can't find the play on words in this title or how "Public Exposure" makes the article more enticing to readers.

It looks like to me the writer or editor decided this was a good opportunity to finally trumpet what the Katy Times has been insinuating in its articles all season... that Strake is not as good as their record.

All things considered, Katy being crowned undisputed 19-5A champs, Strake with a clear advantage for 2nd, and the "vote" not affecting those two things, it just seemed unnecessary and unsportsmanlike, i.e. CLASSLESS.

[Capt Call]

drake,

Strake is solid & well-coached; they play hard. However, they are not operating under the same set of rules as Public schools: They can & do get kids from outside their "attendance zone." Players are "scholarshipped" & are ineligible for VARSITY competition for a calendar year. (Few freshmen & sophomores are ready for varsity competition, anyway.) Those participating in athletics in the public schools must live in that school's attendance zone.

Success in 5A will bring more & better "scholarshipped" players to Strake.

The irritation on this board & elsewhere is Strake's avoidance of the top team in the district after "petitioning" their way into District 19 5A two years ago. A Strake representative previously stated in the Chronicle that they felt fortunate to have avoided playing Katy; then in today's paper, the statement was made that they would have liked to see how they matched up with them(?!) There were 3 opportunities to experience that match-up & Jesuit voted against it every time. (Alief voted against it twice)

[ktCarl]

Hey guys and gals, StrakeDrake is gonna have the last word.

Did you see in the Times article that the Alief coaches wanted to make up and play the Rita games?

[KTHoC]

It doesn't really matter what SJ's posters put on this board, the fact is they are in the playoffs and will find out how tough 5A football is when you get in post season. They dodged a bullet in regular season, not so in the playoffs. FB Marshall will have no pity on them. I am sure they feel the same as most of us do about their ability to BUY players. FB Marshall will take this opponent very seriously because the loser sits at home for the rest of the playoffs!! Sorry jes!

[Drake]

Strake is solid & well-coached; they play hard. However, they are not operating under the same set of rules as Public schools: They can & do get kids from outside their "attendance zone." Players are "scholarshipped" & are ineligible for VARSITY competition for a calendar year.
Capt Call,

I've rebutted the scholarship accusations at least 20 times on this board and tried to explain just as often WHY I believe the anxiety about Strake recruiting is unwarranted. For Carl's sake, I'll try not to go there again.

I will admit to you I'm new to this board and at Strake and am nothing more than a parent and fan at either. I only speak for myself and get most of my information either through web searching or second hand.

It seems from your last post you have knowledge of an athlete(s) at Strake that are receiving free tuition and would not have been accepted in the school had it not been for their athletic abilities. If that's the case then I understand your concerns, if not, I don't think you should be disseminating such information, especially on such a sensitive subject.

[TheOnceandFutureKnight]

Now, I'm a decently receptive person but I just can't find the play on words in this title or how "Public Exposure" makes the article more enticing to readers. .

Public Exposure -- try and stay with me. Cinco Ranch is a PUBLIC school. Strake Jesuit is a PRIVATE school. The football game was played in PUBLIC. The DEC vote that allowed Strake to not play Katy and Hastings to avoid Cinco Ranch, thus keeping Cinco from having a fair shot at the team that finished a game ahead of them was taken in PRIVATE. Many people, like their writer, as you mentioned, thought Strake was the weakest 8-0 team in the history of the galaxy, limping past very mediocre teams like Hastings and Katy Taylor. Then when they played Cinco Ranch, and yes, I know Strake's entire team is hurt and the coach had a heart attack, they lose, even though Cinco was also playing without its starting strong safety, and the QB was playing with such a bad ankle sprain that if he competed in a foot race with a pregnant woman, he'd finish third. Cinco had about 9 first downs in that game and still won, thus exposing the fact, that maybe, just maybe, Strake ain't all that great.

it just seemed unnecessary and unsportsmanlike, i.e. CLASSLESS .

Well maybe next time the Katy Times football team plays Strake, you guys can run the score up on them to get back at them. lol My nephew plays at Cinco and I emailed their sports editor after he got his name wrong in a picture. He apologized and later mailed me a couple pictures of my nephew no charge. If you've got an issue with him, his email is on the web site, but you really should realize this is a community newspaper that promotes KISD athletics, people buy it to read about their kids and often trumpets the feelings of most of its subscribers about certain issues including strake's invovlement in 195a and all the other mess this year.

[Texas Bob]

I think it is unfair to say the Strake Jesuit recruits their athletes when in truth they recruit all their students, some of which are athletes. They have to or they would have to close the doors of the school. Being in UIL athletics is just another marketing tool for the school.

[Drake]

Hey guys and gals, StrakeDrake is gonna have the last word.
Aww, c'mon Carl... just involved in the give and take and enjoying the forum. I try to keep to a few threads and if I have a disagreement I say so, but try NOT to make it personal... I'm sorry I've irritated you...

[DipnSpit]

Weren't you Strakenites all for coach Clayton? saying how he was a class act, called your coach to see if he could do anything after his heart attack after no other 19-5A coaches had?

[Drake]

Public Exposure -- try and stay with me. Cinco Ranch is a PUBLIC school. Strake Jesuit is a PRIVATE school. The football game was played in PUBLIC. The DEC vote that allowed Strake to not play Katy and Hastings to avoid Cinco Ranch, thus keeping Cinco from having a fair shot at the team that finished a game ahead of them was taken in PRIVATE. Many people, like their writer, as you mentioned, thought Strake was the weakest 8-0 team in the history of the galaxy, limping past very mediocre teams like Hastings and Katy Taylor.

Well, if a "play on words" has to be explained, especially if it takes an explanation like the one above, then it isn't a very effective play on words...

However, one thing was glaringly clear to me from the choice of words... It was obvious the writer had waited all year to stick it in when Strake fell and when given the opportunity, he couldn't rise above it...

[Drake]

I think it is unfair to say the Strake Jesuit recruits their athletes when in truth they recruit all their students, some of which are athletes. They have to or they would have to close the doors of the school. Being in UIL athletics is just another marketing tool for the school.

Bob,

I appreciate your fairness. Every year Strake accepts 400 or so kids based on several factors including an academic assessment and testing. I have been through the process and can swear to you none of the testing includes a 40 yard dash or bench pressing, its only academic. When Strake sends out their acceptance letters they expect about half to decide to accept the acceptance. ;) In the end they usually end up with about 250 new freshman. ALL they can handle. While a handful of academically gifted kids do receive financial assistance based on need, athletic scholarships are simply not part of the equation. Its my opinion that unless the priorities at Strake COMPLETELY change, its football team can't possibly reach the level that the top public school programs have attained. This is why I so contentiously contend that the fear of recruiting is unwarranted by those not in the know, and a red herring by those that do...

[Drake]

Weren't you Strakenites all for coach Clayton? saying how he was a class act, called your coach to see if he could do anything after his heart attack after no other 19-5A coaches had?
I haven't seen or heard anyone say otherwise and by all accounts he's as classy as they come.

His quotes in the Katy Times seemed to suggest he had been lured to the Dark Side, blaming the vote for his team not fulfilling its' destiny. (now THATS a play on words) I was just pointing out that each team had 6 district games to decide its fate...

His team went 3-3.

[Texas Bob]

Bob,

I appreciate your fairness. Every year Strake accepts 400 or so kids based on several factors including an academic assessment and testing. I have been through the process and can swear to you none of the testing includes a 40 yard dash or bench pressing, its only academic. When Strake sends out their acceptance letters they expect about half to decide to accept the acceptance. ;) In the end they usually end up with about 250 new freshman. ALL they can handle. While a handful of academically gifted kids do receive financial assistance, athletic scholarships are simply not part of the equation. Its my opinion that unless the priorities at Strake COMPLETELY change, its football team can't possibly reach the level that the top public school programs have attained. This is why I so contentiously contend that the fear of recruiting is unwarranted by those not in the know, and a red herring by those that do...

Don't get too excited about my fairness. I did mean what I said, however for those reasons I stated, I dont think private schools should participate in UIL sports.

It's apples and oranges.

Public school do not recruit their students. They have to work with what they have, by law. When Harris county built a new Juvenile detention center in KISD, those kids became KISD students, by law.

KISD has to take all 40,000 students, the good and the bad. ...and from that 40,000 comes the your UIL competitors. These students compete with your handpicked scrubbed and filtered student body.

That's OK private schools can legally discriminate, public schools cannot.

[rwilleby]

I only speak for myself and get most of my information either through web searching or second hand.
Drake, on the subject of recruiting, I think a reasonable person would have to agree that, while it is not probable, it is possible that some type of recruiting could have occurred either in the past or may even occur in the future... Human nature, with all of it's flaws, cannot be perfect all of the time... Even if we would like to think so...

I have no proof of SJ recruiting... I have not heard of SJ trying to recruit... But I do know of instances where other privates have tried to recruit... And since SJ is a private they, even though it may not be fair or justified, must bare the burden of those that came before you... Surely you can understand the hesitation some might have with privates in the UIL... It is impossible for one to say that 100% of the time no recruiting could ever occur... Or even to be sure that it has not happened in the past... The odds are just too great...

Privates are in so we must trust that they do what is right... But I would suggest that while we trust, we also question the possibility of recruiting could exist and request the UIL make the necessary adjustments to prevent a problem in the future...

So I guess what I'm saying is, just like Ronald Reagan, maybe we should take the position of "Trust, but verify"...

[KTHoC]

Well stated Bob. That is the only thing that seems to irritate the most of us. They can hand pick their students. Whether or not the forty yard dash is part of their qualifying test doesn't matter. They still can assess the students athletic accomplishments and choose accordingly! A is an athlete, B is not. We choose A!!! I have seen it first hand, maybe not with Strake ,but, elsewhere. You should still be in TAPPS!

[ktCarl]

Aww, c'mon Carl... just involved in the give and take and enjoying the forum. I try to keep to a few threads and if I have a disagreement I say so, but try NOT to make it personal... I'm sorry I've irritated you...

You didn't. I was trying to get under your skin and keep this thread going.

[Drake]

Bob, I know from your previous post you feel strongly about privates in the UIL issue. Just because you and I don't agree doesn't mean you're wrong or unfair. I don't think I'm unfair but I damn sure could be wrong, probably am considering how no one ever agrees with me. :(

But let me ask you... Assuming the Katy program continues its ways, what do you think the REAL chances of Strake EVER reaching the level of continued success, that Katy has had, is?

If your answer is, lets say, less than 10%, then where in the world is all the animosity coming from?

[Texas Bob]

If your answer is, lets say, less than 10%, then where in the world is all the animosity coming from?

Believe it or not in my opinion it has nothing to do with winning or losing. The idea of private schools in UIL in very unpopular with a lot of folks, not just katy fans. I hear about it at work from non football fans who don't like it.

The sad part is that for Strake students its a lose / lose proposition.

If you win big, the first question I'm going to ask if I'm on the losing side is, "Where do your athletes live?"

If you lose, fans will say, "Your out of your league."

Last year there was some complaining but civility prevailed. Nobody liked it but that is the way it was.

IF you gained any credibility last year it was all lost with this Rita thing. It was a poor decision. Sometimes you have to stand up and do the right thing even if it is not best for the team.

A few years ago Katy coaches self reported two UIL violations. One of which probabaly cost them the state championship game. They didn't have to. They were the only ones that knew about it. It hurt the team, but it was the right thing to do. Knowing coach Johnson, it was the Christain thing to do.

With out the Rita thing it's still a losing deal. If it wasnt Rita it would be something else. What was it before Rita? Your stadium is too small.

Win or lose it will continue. Right or wrong, it is the peoples perception of fair play that will set the tone. You will never overcome that perception unless the UIL puts your school in a "strait" jacket. Your school has too much pride for that.

[Drake]

I have no proof of SJ recruiting... I have not heard of SJ trying to recruit... But I do know of instances where other privates have tried to recruit... And since SJ is a private they, even though it may not be fair or justified, must bare the burden of those that came before you... Surely you can understand the hesitation some might have with privates in the UIL... It is impossible for one to say that 100% of the time no recruiting could ever occur... Or even to be sure that it has not happened in the past... The odds are just too great...
Rwilleby...

I TOTALLY agree with your entire post (including this excerpt)... Let me ask you... Are you aware of any instances of talented athletes moving into the attendance zones of successful public programs for no other reason than athletic considerations? How about some that didn't even move, but listed a relative's address so they could play in a better program? I have. Lots. How is it that certain public schools get all the good football players, others get all the best track athletes, still others the best swimmers, etc? Is that fair? My knowledge of the inner workings of the Texas Schoolboy football is miniscule but even I know of such cases.

The UIL can make the rules as they see fit. I think they should be fair for everyone and should address the potential for private school recruiting, but they should also address public school recruiting and the issue I raise above. Don’t you agree with me?

[Texas Bob]

Rwilleby...

I TOTALLY agree with your entire post (including this excerpt)... Let me ask you... Are you aware of any instances of talented athletes moving into the attendance zones of successful public programs for no other reason than athletic considerations? How about some that didn't even move, but listed a relative's address so they could play in a better program? I have. Lots. How is it that certain public schools get all the good football players, others get all the best track athletes, still others the best swimmers, etc? Is that fair? My knowledge of the inner workings of the Texas Schoolboy football is miniscule but even I know of such cases.

The UIL can make the rules as they see fit. I think they should be fair for everyone and should address the potential for private school recruiting, but they should also address public school recruiting and the issue I raise above. Don’t you agree with me?

I can tell you one thing about public school recruiting and other rule violations. If you have solid proof or even pretty good proof. Report it to the UIL and they will respond. I saw a a very successful team that will remain anonymous (Permian) that forfeited several games based on a report made by an anonymous fax.

[rwilleby]

Are you aware of any instances of talented athletes moving into the attendance zones of successful public programs for no other reason than athletic considerations?
Not specifically, but I'm sure they have... I moved to Katy from Hastings... None of my kids play football, but the community spirit and all that goes with that made Katy a clear choice... At least for my family... The key point here is that I chose to move into the zone for Katy High... Just like I'm sure people move to go to Cinco or Taylor... It's a personal choice that does require action on my part for my children to go to Katy...

How about some that didn't even move, but listed a relative's address so they could play in a better program?
I'm sure there are... And it's wrong... It cheats those of us who have had to make a sacrific to move to a new area... Higher taxes, longer commute, higher house note, whatever...

How is it that certain public schools get all the good football players, others get all the best track athletes, still others the best swimmers, etc?
Well I don't think you can say Katy gets all of the good football players... All I ever hear is how we never produce a large number of D1 players... Coaching may have a lot to do with the success of a program... Parent involvement is another key factor... Just look at Hastings as an example... In the late 90's the stands were full, the team was successful and everything was good... In Katy we (me as a parent and a fan) expect a certain level of performance... Not just in Football, but also in how people act in public... Maybe it's the whole package that really makes the difference...

The UIL can make the rules as they see fit. I think they should be fair for everyone and should address the potential for private school recruiting, but they should also address public school recruiting and the issue I raise above. Don’t you agree with me?
I do... Everything should be fair and when someone is found to be cheating they should be handled in the harshest terms available... Maybe I'm not as tough on the public/private thing as others might be... But I'll be the first to admit I don't know a lot about the subject, as far as history goes... It does seem fair that, since publics have an attendance zone, privates should as well...

I also find Bob's point about publics having to take everyone and make due with what we're given a valid point of concern...

[rellufnalla]

Bob, I know from your previous post you feel strongly about privates in the UIL issue. Just because you and I don't agree doesn't mean you're wrong or unfair. I don't think I'm unfair but I damn sure could be wrong, probably am considering how no one ever agrees with me. :(

But let me ask you... Assuming the Katy program continues its ways, what do you think the REAL chances of Strake EVER reaching the level of continued success, that Katy has had, is?

If your answer is, lets say, less than 10%, then where in the world is all the animosity coming from?

I will try and answer that question. Yes, there is animosity in the Katy community. It is a product of resentment many people in Katy have, myself included. Whether it is justified depends on who you are talking to, but there is the perception that Katy's achievements are largly ignored. It is the same perception Houstonians as a whole have about Houston's achievements and the lack of recognition from the national media, press and government.
Watch a national weather report on ABC, NBC or CBS - you will see Dallas but not Houston.

The Saturday Chronicle had an article about the Strake/Cinco game. No article on Katy or even a mention of the game results. Maybe Katy's achievements are just old news and not worth Chronicle time. Twelve years of steady winning in the playoffs, of consistent results from the efforts of our coaches, community and children often seem to go unrecognized. The Tigers earned a state berth six times since 1994 and brought home a title three of those times. During the last four years, there has been only one Dragon slayer in 5A - the Katy Tigers. None of that seems to bring Katy the recognition of achievement that many of us expect.

In that context, you might see how the title "19-5A district co-champion" might get under our skin. It struck many of us as utterly absurd to be compared to Strake.

That being said, Strake has definately earned a spot in the playoffs.
I wish Strake good luck in the playoffs. 19-5a needs strong football programs to make our district challenging.

As for the Tigers, it is still early in playoff season and anything could happen. But we might get another shot at the Dragons and if we were to beat them again, well. We might just get that recognition we have been looking for.

[Chris_Burke_owns_Atlanta]

Who the **** cares if Strake went 8-1 as long as they are in the playoffs. I can appreciate this a lot more than some of these other guys because I didn't think we'd ever get enough talent to compete in this district. When I was at Strake we had some decent teams, but we didn't exactly play teams that were 5A caliber. I'm satisfied with being in the playoffs. All of you guys who want us to be undefeated are spoiled. You better cherish this season because I doubt we'll be this good again for a while.

[westhoustonfb]

I believe when you look at where Clayton is coming from you will see that Hastings was to be their first district opponent until it was cancelled. The way a team starts has an impact on future games (both good and bad). Last year Cinco started district by beating Hastings 31-0 and went on to do real well and finishing second to Katy. Cinco has a lot better defense this year so it is safe to assume that the 0 Hastings had last year would probably be the same 0 that Elsik and Alief Taylor had against Cinco this year. Pretty safe bet that Cinco would have done to Hastings what it did to Elsik 35-0 since Hastings just beat Elsik by 3 in the last 40 seconds last Friday night. Injuries and interesting officiating have challenged Cinco and they lost to MC 14-13 and Katy Taylor 6-0...hardly blowouts. They came back when their QB got healthy and beat Elsik (35-0) and Alief Taylor (34-0) before running into Katy. They did play Katy much better than Hastings in that it was still a game at the half (14-0) as opposed to the 45-0 that Hastings was behind at half and it ended 55-7 thanks to the Katy backups in the entire second half. So going into the Strake game Cinco had won 2 out of their last 3 and were doing pretty good considering the stuff they've gone through. My sons friends said that Clayton didn't speak this week to the players about the playoffs but chose to have them prepare for Strake's game by challenging them to beat the district co-leader and if they did then they could feel good that they beat the district runner up to complete their season. I think Clayton understands that his team is 3-3 and therefore in 4th place but I would guess that the rest of the district (other than Katy) is glad that they had a rough start because they finished extremely strong.

The other thing is my son's friend told me of the players Cinco was without this week (just like Strake didn't have their RB) such as their fast RB Garrett Forward, their FS Michael Garza, and their starting LT Andre Torres plus I noticed their best defensive player, #32 Goates didn't even play the second half. That may have had a lot to do with Strake finally moving the ball in the second half because #32 was all over the field in the first half. So I think you could say both teams were missing players that they both feel really could have helped them.

The other 19-AAAAA teams want Katy, Strake, and Hastings to do a great job of representing the district in the playoffs and everyone wishes them well.

[Drake]

Everything should be fair and when someone is found to be cheating they should be handled in the harshest terms available... Maybe I'm not as tough on the public/private thing as others might be... But I'll be the first to admit I don't know a lot about the subject, as far as history goes... It does seem fair that, since publics have an attendance zone, privates should as well...(What follows is written from the perspective that Strake Jesuit is ALREADY part of the UIL, and is founded in my appreciation that my son's school has the opportunity to be part of it. Ever notice some of these posts still seem to be arguing against letting us in?)

Strake Jesuit has no student housing and no transportation (busing) available to its students. For all practical purposes, this creates a geographic attendance zone because kids have to live close enough to commute. While I'm certain that the geographic area Strake students come from is larger than any public school in the area, the facts are that Strake's entrance requirements and tuition structure limit its student population. The proof is in the pudding. If you drew a circle around the entire area Strake students come from it would be much much larger than Katy's for example, yet Katy has at least 500 more boys... (I'm glad I'm dumb because thinking in black and white is so much easier than in abstract theoretical "what ifs" )

Anyway, there seems to be some misunderstanding of "attendance zones". Attendance zones are created or redrawn not to give each school a certain amount of geographic area, but instead a certain amount of students based on partly on demographics, but mainly on capacity and resources available at that school. Even if Strake was confined by a UIL created attendance zone, it would only be fair that it be drawn large enough and encompass enough area so Strake can fill its school to capacity and use its available resources, wouldn't it?

How big would the zone have to be drawn so that Strake could have 900 boys (5A) that meet its academic requirements, whose family can justify the tuition, and all are eligible for athletics? Pretty big, right? Certainly it would be at least as large as the area Strake draws from now, so... What's the big deal? The attendance zone thing has basically been a red herring and should not concern anyone that has thought it through...

With the case I've laid out here and being intellectually honest you have to admit there is nothing unfair about Strake not having an attendance zone under the current set of circumstances. If something changes then my opinion may too.

Either way, I hope Strake never abuses the privilege of being a part of and competing in UIL. I sincerely believe they never will and that’s why I've been trying my best to make you believe it. :)

[rwilleby]

Drake, that all seems like a reasonable statement to me... Maybe it's just something that has to play itself out to see how it goes... Right now, you're part of 19 5A and that's just the way it is... Maybe it's how this whole thing came down that has people forming such strong opinions... I don't know... In any case, you've had a good season and, at least from my perspective, everythings turned out fine for both teams... Now we get to start the "second half" of the season...

[Texas Bob]

(What follows is written from the perspective that Strake Jesuit is ALREADY part of the UIL, and is founded in my appreciation that my son's school has the opportunity to be part of it. Ever notice some of these posts still seem to be arguing against letting us in?)

Strake Jesuit has no student housing and no transportation (busing) available to its students. For all practical purposes, this creates a geographic attendance zone because kids have to live close enough to commute. While I'm certain that the geographic area Strake students come from is larger than any public school in the area, the facts are that Strake's entrance requirements and tuition structure limit its student population. The proof is in the pudding. If you drew a circle around the entire area Strake students come from it would be much much larger than Katy's for example, yet Katy has at least 500 more boys... (I'm glad I'm dumb because thinking in black and white is so much easier than in abstract theoretical "what ifs" )

Anyway, there seems to be some misunderstanding of "attendance zones". Attendance zones are created or redrawn not to give each school a certain amount of geographic area, but instead a certain amount of students based on partly on demographics, but mainly on capacity and resources available at that school. Even if Strake was confined by a UIL created attendance zone, it would only be fair that it be drawn large enough and encompass enough area so Strake can fill its school to capacity and use its available resources, wouldn't it?

How big would the zone have to be drawn so that Strake could have 900 boys (5A) that meet its academic requirements, whose family can justify the tuition, and all are eligible for athletics? Pretty big, right? Certainly it would be at least as large as the area Strake draws from now, so... What's the big deal? The attendance zone thing has basically been a red herring and should not concern anyone that has thought it through...

With the case I've laid out here and being intellectually honest you have to admit there is nothing unfair about Strake not having an attendance zone under the current set of circumstances. If something changes then my opinion may too.

Either way, I hope Strake never abuses the privilege of being a part of and competing in UIL. I sincerely believe they never will and that’s why I've been trying my best to make you believe it. :)

Because your attendance zone has to be different you should be treated the same. Got it. I'm sure the you have convinced many.

[Drake]

Because your attendance zone has to be different you should be treated the same. Got it. I'm sure the you have convinced many.I don't think you ARE getting it Bob... Lets try it this way... Katy and Cinco have different geographically sized attendance zones Bob, how do you justify treating them the same?

[Texas Bob]

I don't think you ARE getting it Bob... Lets try it this way... Katy and Cinco have different geographically sized attendance zones Bob, how do you justify treating them the same?

They don't overlap

[rwilleby]

So I have a question... In '72, '73, '76, '82 and '83 Bridge City, a 3A school played SJ... Were they a Private then and if so, how could we have played them as a UIL school?

[Drake]

They don't overlapThat's an excellent point (seriously) What then should be done about the public magnet schools like Lamar or instances in public schools like the one about this Kelson kid in this article:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/herbert/2120753

[Texas Bob]

So I have a question... In '72, '73, '76, '82 and '83 Bridge City, a 3A school played SJ... Were they a Private then and if so, how could we have played them as a UIL school?

Was for a UIL play off spot? No

[Drake]

So I have a question... In '72, '73, '76, '82 and '83 Bridge City, a 3A school played SJ... Were they a Private then and if so, how could we have played them as a UIL school?Its my understanding that the UIL allows its members to compete outside of UIL for scrimmages and non-district games. <shrug>

[rwilleby]

Was for a UIL play off spot? No
No it was in the regular list of teams we played... Maybe they were our preseason... Does that make sense? But we also played Bishop Burne in the middle of the season... were they a Private as well?

[Texas Bob]

That's an excellent point (seriously) What then should be done about the public magnet schools like Lamar or instances in public schools like the one about this Kelson kid in this article:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/herbert/2120753

I'll go for that! Let's open Strake up as a Public Magnet School. Maybe we can get the ISD to pay the tuition (discounted of course). We'll just have to get rid of some those seperation of church and state issues. That will take a little ACLU cleansing but after that we should be good to go.

[Drake]

rwilleby,

I'm sure it was non-district and teams in that area still struggle to find non-district opponents because anyone close to them is in their district. Makes sense that Bridge City might be required to go all the way to the other side of Houston to get a non-district game and it makes sense that it might have had to be with a private school. Heck, I think PA Memorial has been traveling to Midland lately to get pre-district games.

[Drake]

I'll go for that! Let's open Strake up as a Public Magnet School. Maybe we can get the ISD to pay the tuition (discounted of course). We'll just have to get rid of some those seperation of church and state issues. That will take a little ACLU cleansing but after that we should be good to go.Bob... I never thought I could justify saying this to someone else, but... YOU'RE BEING OBSTINATE! ;)

[rwilleby]

rwilleby,

I'm sure it was non-district and teams in that area still struggle to find non-district opponents because anyone close to them is in their district. Makes sense that Bridge City might be required to go all the way to the other side of Houston to get a non-district game and it makes sense that it might have had to be with a private school. Heck, I think PA Memorial has been traveling to Midland lately to get pre-district games.
Well, it was the 70's and we enjoyed the ride... :)

[Drake]

I played in Baytown and we enjoyed the ride to play Port Arthur Jeffereson... But when Dodge and Duhon put it on us in 79, the ride back was the pits!

[Texas Bob]

Bob... I never thought I could justify saying this to someone else, but... YOU'RE BEING OBSTINATE! ;)

If you play public schools you should have to follow public rules.

I'm finished with this again I hope. Your in.

I predict that in the 2010 realignment, maybe even the 2008 realignment. Strake will remove itself from the UIL.

Good luck on Saturday.

[hornfan713]

The magnet school program isnt a means for athletes to play with better programs. Or that isnt its primary focus. So I don't think it should be policed as such. Most kids who make use of the magnet system use it to get a better education than they could recieve at their zoned school or to get away from a dangerous situation at their zoned school. i'm sure Drew Kelson attended Lanier MS and Lamar HS because he could recieve a better education there than at Worthing HS and whatever MS he would have gone to. That isnt meant to knock Worthing, but the numbers don't lie in terms of SAT scores and dropout rates.

regardless, i saw the end of the SJ / Cinco game. Strake could have won it with Bandy's run in the red zone, but Bandy couldnt hold onto the ball. Excellent stop by the Cinco linebackers. Cinco won the game legit, and nothin, injuries included, can take that away. They should be better next year.

[Amused]

Not a chance Strake will want out of the UIL, Texas Bob. Not a chance. Strake will have its up years and its down years, like everybody else. The big problem will always be depth. The years Strake doesn't have a bunch of injuries will hopefully be the years they can be competitive. They will always have more kids going both ways. But it beats the alternative by a wide margin. To go back to where Strake was a few years ago, fighting to schedule games, having to take any game that it could schedule, is simply not an alternative that Strake would consider.

[Texas Bob]

Not a chance Strake will want out of the UIL, Texas Bob. Not a chance. Strake will have its up years and its down years, like everybody else. The big problem will always be depth. The years Strake doesn't have a bunch of injuries will hopefully be the years they can be competitive. They will always have more kids going both ways. But it beats the alternative by a wide margin. To go back to where Strake was a few years ago, fighting to schedule games, having to take any game that it could schedule, is simply not an alternative that Strake would consider.


You have right to your opinion and you have the right to be wrong.

[Drake]

The magnet school program isnt a means for athletes to play with better programs. Or that isnt its primary focus. So I don't think it should be policed as such. Most kids who make use of the magnet system use it to get a better education than they could recieve at their zoned school or to get away from a dangerous situation at their zoned school. i'm sure Drew Kelson attended Lanier MS and Lamar HS because he could recieve a better education there than at Worthing HS and whatever MS he would have gone to. That isnt meant to knock Worthing, but the numbers don't lie in terms of SAT scores and dropout rates.I don't either. Not at all. Kelson's parents did what they felt was the best thing for their child academically. Nobody should have a problem with that. Sounds to me like he was a good athlete too and helped his out of zone school quite a bit.

I cited that article because his circumstance gets right to the heart of the matter. The UIL knows that if he is eligible for a magnet school outside of his attendance zone and he is prevented from competing in UIL athletics, then he is not being offered the same opportunities as other students in the state. In other words, he is being discriminated against. It is for this reason and this reason alone, (not the cost of litigation, etc) that the UIL allowed the Jesuits to participate without a legal battle. To the UIL’s credit, whether they wanted to or not, they did the fair thing…

[hornfan713]

Drake,

I get your point now. Misunderstood you earlier. You make a very good point. Check your PM's.

[Texas Bob]

It is for this reason and this reason alone, (not the cost of litigation, etc) that the UIL allowed the Jesuits to participate without a legal battle. To the UIL’s credit, whether they wanted to or not, they did the fair thing…

There was a legal battle, the suit was from Dallas Jesuit. UIL won the right to exclude private schools, then folded win it was appealed to a federal court in New Orleans. They were also threatened with be dissolved with bills from a Victoria lawmaker and Joe Nixon. So if you think they did this willingly your wrong.

FYI Joe Nixon is up for reelection

But its done.

[Drake]

There was a legal battle, the suit was from Dallas Jesuit. UIL won the right to exclude private schools, then folded win it was appealed to a federal court in New Orleans. They were also threatened with be dissolved with bills from a Victoria lawmaker and Joe Nixon. So if you think they did this willingly your wrong.

FYI Joe Nixon is up for reelection

But its done.I should of said "protracted" legal battle...

Also, the impetus of Nixon's legislation was to avoid each individual private school having to sue for inclusion in UIL. Once the UIL decided to include the ones that did want to participate and Nixon was informed that most private schools either didn't have the resources to meet the coach must teach rule or just didn't want to be part of UIL, he tabled the issue and withdrew the bill... Seems like a reasonable man to me...

Admittedly, I'm a Johnny-come-lately, but it also seems to me that if the UIL had been open-minded and reasonable to begin with, lawsuits and legislation would never have happened...

[Texas Bob]

he tabled the issue and withdrew the bill... Seems like a reasonable man to me...


When you pay the ransom, they leave you alone.

[Drake]

If you play public schools you should have to follow public rules.

I'm finished with this again I hope. Your in.

I predict that in the 2010 realignment, maybe even the 2008 realignment. Strake will remove itself from the UIL.

Good luck on Saturday.Bob, as innocuous your post seems to be, it bothered me more than any other I’ve ever read on this or the Katy board. Here’s why:

For you to think that the Jesuit schools will want no part of UIL in 2008 you must believe one of two things. Either you believe the Jesuits will be so thoroughly dominated in its UIL athletic endeavors that it will get tired of being whipped, or you believe that the Jesuits will be put under such hardships from future re-alignments that it will have had enough. Since we both know the Jesuits schools have held their own in many sports in their 2 year participation in UIL, I have to believe it’s the latter.

The reason I’m so bothered is that you and others, who so vehemently oppose Jesuit participation in UIL, have contacts and influence around the state and with the UIL. If you, or others like you, use that influence to effect the Jesuit’s 2006 classification or re-alignment based on personal feelings or vendettas, then that is unfair. As a matter of fact, if the UIL board members themselves allow their own personal biases to influence their work, it would be unfair.

I have a son at Strake that will be participating in UIL governed athletics until 2008, so I have a dog in this fight. All I can tell you now is if the UIL re-alignment comes out and its obvious to me my son has been cheated or put under undue hardships because of personal vendettas, the UIL aint gonna want no part of that dog… Again, I only am speaking for myself, but my advice to the UIL is “keep it fair for everyone…”

[Texas Bob]

but my advice to the UIL is “keep it fair for everyone…”

No harm ment, however fair is all anyone wants. Fair would have been to keep the cats and dogs in seperate cages. Now you know how others feel when they feel an injustice is done.

I've really said about all I want to say about any of this. If you wish to comment just PM me and I'll respond.

[Drake]

I'm just creating this post to get this thread back on my first page... Is that allowed?

[Redneckn]

As long as the Jesuits dont start really dominating, there wont be so many really vocal haters.. But rest assure, if y'all start pounding the crap outta the publics for a few years in a row, you will be ousted. one way or another, they will get rid of you once they can't beat you.

The Jesuits already have a substantial amount of haters because your schools are private..Then, y'all "forced" your way into UIL. Even more haters..
Starting consistantly winning and the hater community will come together and you will be back where you started..

[rwilleby]

As long as the Jesuits dont start really dominating, there wont be so many really vocal haters.. But rest assure, if y'all start pounding the crap outta the publics for a few years in a row, you will be ousted. one way or another, they will get rid of you once they can't beat you.

The Jesuits already have a substantial amount of haters because your schools are private..Then, y'all "forced" your way into UIL. Even more haters..
Starting consistantly winning and the hater community will come together and you will be back where you started..
I would hope that "Hating" SJ is not what is really going on... From the looks of 19 5A this year an "above average" team could do well and I don't say that to offend anyone... Privates are not the problem with the Alief schools... there are far greater issues within the UIL to be concerned about...

One may not like that they are in the UIL, and one could work to get them expelled, but to say that people hate them just because they're here is just not right...

I see their point of view, is it fair? I don't know... Will it work? Beats me, we'll just have to see...

Dominating is what SLC is doing... Do you think we should get ride of them too?

A good program will stand the test of time... I doubt any of the big players are really overly concerned about the Privates... I'll take Katy any day...

[Redneckn]

I would hope that "Hating" SJ is not what is really going on... From the looks of 19 5A this year an "above average" team could do well and I don't say that to offend anyone... Privates are not the problem with the Alief schools... there are far greater issues within the UIL to be concerned about...

One may not like that they are in the UIL, and one could work to get them expelled, but to say that people hate them just because they're here is just not right...

I see their point of view, is it fair? I don't know... Will it work? Beats me, we'll just have to see...

Dominating is what SLC is doing... Do you think we should get ride of them too?

A good program will stand the test of time... I doubt any of the big players are really overly concerned about the Privates... I'll take Katy any day...

SLC is public...So it wouldn't be as easy to get rid of them.
I'm not saying right now anybody is overy concerned with the Jesuits.. But let them start dominating and watch what happens...
I'm not saying a lot of people hate them because they are in UIL.. I'm saying a lot of people hate them because they are private and in UIL. If they start dominating, they wouldnt have many seasons left in UIL.. They would find a way to oust them.

I state this not because I have some interest in it, but just based off of the opinions I've read here on this board.

[rwilleby]

I know SLC is Public, but they're still kicking @ss and taking names... So how long will they be allowed to dominate 5A before they are made to disband... Or do we just let it run iit's course and see if they can continue with this level of success for a greater period of time...

So if the Privates really stink it's okay, but if they build a successful program they need to go? Where do they go? Who do they play? The UIL can limit what they do and make it as fair as possible for everyone involved... Two teams cannot break the UIL... And in our district some of the Publics are on the verge of self-destruction (IMO)...

Damn, I'm starting to sound like "Drake" (kidding)... I'm glad my son's a senior or he might have to transfer (again, kidding)...

[Drake]

I can only reiterate, it's not SJ's goal to dominate, only to participate... (hmmm... I'm typing in rhymes)

I don't ever see us dominating any sport, much less football and we truly want to be looked upon as a model UIL participant, not a rogue member...

We also want bygones to become bygones, play fairly, and to be treated fairly...

This all seems possible to me...

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I can only reiterate, it's not SJ's goal to dominate, only to participate... (hmmm... I'm typing in rhymes)

I don't ever see us dominating any sport, much less football and we truly want to be looked upon as a model UIL participant, not a rogue member...

We also want bygones to become bygones, play fairly, and to be treated fairly...

This all seems possible to me...I think you have a good shot at these ideals in 175a. Your game against Cinco Ranch will probably invite back alot of the imbittered crap that was flung around 195a last year.

[Drake]

Dad... Where did you drag up this old thread from?