Can't believe this

[tayb]

Ok. As slorch may remember I cited an example in another thread where my vehicle was searched by a police officer for no other reason than I refused a search. At the time I was 16 and although I was pissed about it I never did anything.

Tonight...

My brother and I are in separate cars on our way home from bowling. He is following me in his truck going north on 183 and I am going about 63 in a 65 (varying in that range). All of the sudden I see flashing red and blue lights roaring up in my rear view mirror and my brother is pulled over so I pull over about 20 yards ahead of him. I sit there wondering what the hell is going on and after several minutes my brother and his girlfriend both get out of the car and start walking towards the police vehicle. I get out of my car wondering what the :Censor: is going on and the officer demands I get back into my vehicle. I am sitting there watching and the officer pulls out a breathalyzer machine (or something to that effect I guess) and my brother puffs into it. Waits. Puffs again. Waits. Puffs again. Cleans off breathalyzer. Puffs again. (I'm getting annoyed watching this)

Well now it is time for the field sobriety test apparently. I see him doing various bull:Censor: and he is CLEARLY not drunk (he is 17 and hasn't had a damn sip of alcohol) so the officer gives up the DUI charge. Now I watch the officer point them to sit down by the guard rail and they both obey and the OFFICER PULLS OUT A FLASHLIGHT AND BEGINS SEARCHING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR. I text my brother asking him what the :Censor: is going on and he texts me back saying "searching my car."


What reasonable cause, exactly, did this officer have for pulling my brother over in the first place, administering a field sobriety test and a breathalyzer test, and then WHAT IN THE WORLD REASONABLE CAUSE DID HE HAVE TO SEARCH HIS VEHICLE? Last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, and I am looking right now, I have the freedom FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURES and so does my brother.

I wouldn't be so ticked off right now if this was an extremely random event that never happens but this is TWICE. You shouldn't be allowed to just search a vehicle just because you freaking feel like it. I can PARTIALLY understand giving a 100% unjustified field sobriety test but wtf is the reason for searching a vehicle?

I want to contact a lawyer. Should I contact a lawyer? I am pretty sure that even if I did nothing will become of it anyways so should I even bother?

By the way the officer didn't find a single thing in the car because, TADA, there was nothing in the car.

[RedRage00]

Ok. As slorch may remember I cited an example in another thread where my vehicle was searched by a police officer for no other reason than I refused a search. At the time I was 16 and although I was pissed about it I never did anything.

Tonight...

My brother and I are in separate cars on our way home from bowling. He is following me in his truck going north on 183 and I am going about 63 in a 65 (varying in that range). All of the sudden I see flashing red and blue lights roaring up in my rear view mirror and my brother is pulled over so I pull over about 20 yards ahead of him. I sit there wondering what the hell is going on and after several minutes my brother and his girlfriend both get out of the car and start walking towards the police vehicle. I get out of my car wondering what the :Censor: is going on and the officer demands I get back into my vehicle. I am sitting there watching and the officer pulls out a breathalyzer machine (or something to that effect I guess) and my brother puffs into it. Waits. Puffs again. Waits. Puffs again. Cleans off breathalyzer. Puffs again. (I'm getting annoyed watching this)

Well now it is time for the field sobriety test apparently. I see him doing various bull:Censor: and he is CLEARLY not drunk (he is 17 and hasn't had a damn sip of alcohol) so the officer gives up the DUI charge. Now I watch the officer point them to sit down by the guard rail and they both obey and the OFFICER PULLS OUT A FLASHLIGHT AND BEGINS SEARCHING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR. I text my brother asking him what the :Censor: is going on and he texts me back saying "searching my car."


What reasonable cause, exactly, did this officer have for pulling my brother over in the first place, administering a field sobriety test and a breathalyzer test, and then WHAT IN THE WORLD REASONABLE CAUSE DID HE HAVE TO SEARCH HIS VEHICLE? Last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, and I am looking right now, I have the freedom FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURES and so does my brother.

I wouldn't be so ticked off right now if this was an extremely random event that never happens but this is TWICE. You shouldn't be allowed to just search a vehicle just because you freaking feel like it. I can PARTIALLY understand giving a 100% unjustified field sobriety test but wtf is the reason for searching a vehicle?

I want to contact a lawyer. Should I contact a lawyer? I am pretty sure that even if I did nothing will become of it anyways so should I even bother?

By the way the officer didn't find a single thing in the car because, TADA, there was nothing in the car.

I hate cops. All the ones I know are pr*cks just like this.

[tayb]

I hate cops. All the ones I know are pr*cks just like this.

He was right behind me and he wasn't swerving like a drunk driver, as a matter of fact he wasn't swerving at all. If he was pulled over for speeding then I would have been the one pulled over because I was leading the way. He was pulled over because he drives a nice big truck and some jack:Censor: police officer had nothing better to do.

[the_phoenix612]

He was right behind me and he wasn't swerving like a drunk driver, as a matter of fact he wasn't swerving at all. If he was pulled over for speeding then I would have been the one pulled over because I was leading the way. He was pulled over because he drives a nice big truck and some jack:Censor: police officer had nothing better to do.

you absolutely can and should sue the hell out of them.

the intarwebs are chock-full of accounts like this, and its getting ridiculous in today's world.

if you're super serious, talk to the ACLU?:eek:

[DragonWatcher]

Ok. As slorch may remember I cited an example in another thread where my vehicle was searched by a police officer for no other reason than I refused a search. At the time I was 16 and although I was pissed about it I never did anything.

Tonight...

My brother and I are in separate cars on our way home from bowling. He is following me in his truck going north on 183 and I am going about 63 in a 65 (varying in that range). All of the sudden I see flashing red and blue lights roaring up in my rear view mirror and my brother is pulled over so I pull over about 20 yards ahead of him. I sit there wondering what the hell is going on and after several minutes my brother and his girlfriend both get out of the car and start walking towards the police vehicle. I get out of my car wondering what the :Censor: is going on and the officer demands I get back into my vehicle. I am sitting there watching and the officer pulls out a breathalyzer machine (or something to that effect I guess) and my brother puffs into it. Waits. Puffs again. Waits. Puffs again. Cleans off breathalyzer. Puffs again. (I'm getting annoyed watching this)

Well now it is time for the field sobriety test apparently. I see him doing various bull:Censor: and he is CLEARLY not drunk (he is 17 and hasn't had a damn sip of alcohol) so the officer gives up the DUI charge. Now I watch the officer point them to sit down by the guard rail and they both obey and the OFFICER PULLS OUT A FLASHLIGHT AND BEGINS SEARCHING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR. I text my brother asking him what the :Censor: is going on and he texts me back saying "searching my car."


What reasonable cause, exactly, did this officer have for pulling my brother over in the first place, administering a field sobriety test and a breathalyzer test, and then WHAT IN THE WORLD REASONABLE CAUSE DID HE HAVE TO SEARCH HIS VEHICLE? Last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, and I am looking right now, I have the freedom FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURES and so does my brother.

I wouldn't be so ticked off right now if this was an extremely random event that never happens but this is TWICE. You shouldn't be allowed to just search a vehicle just because you freaking feel like it. I can PARTIALLY understand giving a 100% unjustified field sobriety test but wtf is the reason for searching a vehicle?

I want to contact a lawyer. Should I contact a lawyer? I am pretty sure that even if I did nothing will become of it anyways so should I even bother?

By the way the officer didn't find a single thing in the car because, TADA, there was nothing in the car.

Don't bother. The evolution of privacy laws over the last 30 years in the supreme court has gone much a different way compared to the home. Basically all he has to say is your brother weaved once in a lane, or looked suspicious in any manner and he has the full right to breathalyze, search, field test etc all he wants. Most of this has stemmed from the right to privacy does not exist in regards to a vehicle when your driving on a public road. Only real recourse you have is if you got his badge number you can report him to his superior if you think there was some kind of discrimination, malpractice etc but I wouldn't expect any serious results.

[DragonBand06]

Ok. As slorch may remember I cited an example in another thread where my vehicle was searched by a police officer for no other reason than I refused a search. At the time I was 16 and although I was pissed about it I never did anything.

Tonight...

My brother and I are in separate cars on our way home from bowling. He is following me in his truck going north on 183 and I am going about 63 in a 65 (varying in that range). All of the sudden I see flashing red and blue lights roaring up in my rear view mirror and my brother is pulled over so I pull over about 20 yards ahead of him. I sit there wondering what the hell is going on and after several minutes my brother and his girlfriend both get out of the car and start walking towards the police vehicle. I get out of my car wondering what the :Censor: is going on and the officer demands I get back into my vehicle. I am sitting there watching and the officer pulls out a breathalyzer machine (or something to that effect I guess) and my brother puffs into it. Waits. Puffs again. Waits. Puffs again. Cleans off breathalyzer. Puffs again. (I'm getting annoyed watching this)

Well now it is time for the field sobriety test apparently. I see him doing various bull:Censor: and he is CLEARLY not drunk (he is 17 and hasn't had a damn sip of alcohol) so the officer gives up the DUI charge. Now I watch the officer point them to sit down by the guard rail and they both obey and the OFFICER PULLS OUT A FLASHLIGHT AND BEGINS SEARCHING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR. I text my brother asking him what the :Censor: is going on and he texts me back saying "searching my car."


What reasonable cause, exactly, did this officer have for pulling my brother over in the first place, administering a field sobriety test and a breathalyzer test, and then WHAT IN THE WORLD REASONABLE CAUSE DID HE HAVE TO SEARCH HIS VEHICLE? Last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, and I am looking right now, I have the freedom FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURES and so does my brother.

I wouldn't be so ticked off right now if this was an extremely random event that never happens but this is TWICE. You shouldn't be allowed to just search a vehicle just because you freaking feel like it. I can PARTIALLY understand giving a 100% unjustified field sobriety test but wtf is the reason for searching a vehicle?

I want to contact a lawyer. Should I contact a lawyer? I am pretty sure that even if I did nothing will become of it anyways so should I even bother?

By the way the officer didn't find a single thing in the car because, TADA, there was nothing in the car.
I agree it's ridiculous and if you want you should report him. The good news is that as long as you have nothing to hide, they have nothing to find! I bet his face was priceless when the breathalyzer came up .00 and there was nothing in the car. :D

[gtown04]

Sorry, I see nothing wrong with what the Officer did.
If you want to get his badge number and report him, that is certainly within your rights, but he didn't do anything illegal.

[HUM398]

Ok. As slorch may remember I cited an example in another thread where my vehicle was searched by a police officer for no other reason than I refused a search. At the time I was 16 and although I was pissed about it I never did anything.

Tonight...

My brother and I are in separate cars on our way home from bowling. He is following me in his truck going north on 183 and I am going about 63 in a 65 (varying in that range). All of the sudden I see flashing red and blue lights roaring up in my rear view mirror and my brother is pulled over so I pull over about 20 yards ahead of him. I sit there wondering what the hell is going on and after several minutes my brother and his girlfriend both get out of the car and start walking towards the police vehicle. I get out of my car wondering what the :Censor: is going on and the officer demands I get back into my vehicle. I am sitting there watching and the officer pulls out a breathalyzer machine (or something to that effect I guess) and my brother puffs into it. Waits. Puffs again. Waits. Puffs again. Cleans off breathalyzer. Puffs again. (I'm getting annoyed watching this)

Well now it is time for the field sobriety test apparently. I see him doing various bull:Censor: and he is CLEARLY not drunk (he is 17 and hasn't had a damn sip of alcohol) so the officer gives up the DUI charge. Now I watch the officer point them to sit down by the guard rail and they both obey and the OFFICER PULLS OUT A FLASHLIGHT AND BEGINS SEARCHING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR. I text my brother asking him what the :Censor: is going on and he texts me back saying "searching my car."


What reasonable cause, exactly, did this officer have for pulling my brother over in the first place, administering a field sobriety test and a breathalyzer test, and then WHAT IN THE WORLD REASONABLE CAUSE DID HE HAVE TO SEARCH HIS VEHICLE? Last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, and I am looking right now, I have the freedom FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURES and so does my brother.

I wouldn't be so ticked off right now if this was an extremely random event that never happens but this is TWICE. You shouldn't be allowed to just search a vehicle just because you freaking feel like it. I can PARTIALLY understand giving a 100% unjustified field sobriety test but wtf is the reason for searching a vehicle?

I want to contact a lawyer. Should I contact a lawyer? I am pretty sure that even if I did nothing will become of it anyways so should I even bother?

By the way the officer didn't find a single thing in the car because, TADA, there was nothing in the car.

Oh, thats nothing. I have had officers threaten to shoot me in the chest and beat me on three different occasions. What did i do? I was driving around on his turf... I swear during the day a Harris county officer won't bother you, but you look just a little bit suspicious to him after 12am...and he is going to cuff you, lay you on the ground and ask you some ridiculous questions...along with some rather offensive commentary.

I just learn to ignore it, cause theirs nothing i can do about it anyway...

[GoOwls]

Let's see....if I can read some facts into this account.....we got a 17 year old driving around with a young girl in a very nice truck (was it really nice...tricked out....rims....wheels.....trim.....dark tint)......

Maybe they were clowning around and playing grab **s and he swerved a bit...just a bit.....or the cop just didn't think it looked right with a kid driving a nice truck......he checked it out.....really simple stuff...

If your brother had been a car theif and the cop didn't follow his instincts, there would be a really mad person who lost a truck who would like to hear the story of how a cop didn't do his job...and be just as mad as you are....

If you have nothing to hide......don't worry about it.....it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience....

Try looking at it from the point of a victim who had their truck stolen 30 minutes earlier....it might give a different perspective.

[CoveMom]

Ask for the official explanation for the initial stop and resulting actions on the part of the officer. As one poster said, there may have been a report of a stolen vehicle. Then again, it may be like you said, nothing better to do. If the cop is a good one, the report will be reasonable, even if his actions (in yours and my mind) were not.

If the report of the pull-over is not quite "right" the department will be glad someone questioned it in the long run. Nothing may happen to this officer, but his actions will be noted and he may be told it was an unrighteous stop.

my .02

[slorch]

#1 I am glad your brother and you are safe.

#2 I would be just as mad as you.

For those familiar with Lubbock, I once pulled out onto 4th street from Conference Cafe( Sports bar) and was going to head south on Indiana right by the United Spirit Arena and get on Brownfield HWY to go over to the 50th Street Caboose. When my cousin and I left the CC parking lot, I had forgotten to turn my headlights on( it was twilight,) and immediately after getting on 4th St, a cop pulls in behind me, as he was just waiting for people to leave the CC.
I had Tech stickers and USMC on the back of my car, we just left a popular hangout for students and I am sure this cop thought he had a nice juicy DUI on his hands. As we turn onto Indiana, the bubble gum machine gets turned on and we pull over right by University medical Center.
He runs my license, asks me where we were going, yada, yada, yada. Then he told me my lights weren't on and I said, "Yes sir, I realized that, and immediately turned them on." he then asked me why I didn't use my turn signal at the light to go south on Indiana. I then told him that it was a turn-only lane and that I figured it was self-explanatory where I was going to go.
Then he asks me to get out of the car and we go between the police vehicle and mine and he tells me to stand on one foot and I just bust out laughing. I said, " You're kidding right? I haven't had a drop of alcohol." He seemed kind of ticked off that I was laughing and he sternly says, " Mr (Slorch) this is serious! I said, " Absolutely it is. That's why I don't drink and drive. I have nothing in the vehicle except books and our work-out stuff, if you think we're up to something, then by all means check it out. You won't find so much as a cigarrette. I then just told him, "We're boring, let us go eat our dinner."
It almost seemed begrudgingly to me, but the cop just wrote me a warning for the headlights. I know this must pale in comparison with someone that is actively trying to find something on you(or your bro.) i couldn't believe he was going to do a sobriety test, then I dared him to search the car. I know when I started laughing, it had to have crossed his mind that I was on something, and that is why I dared him to search the car. While it would have been an inconvenience and lost time with my cousin that was in town, we still had ZERO to hide.
That sounds like your situation. IMO, this is what activists that are supposedly looking out for wrongdoing should be doing to change things in our society. It sounds like y'all were totally innocent, but only y'all know the whole story. getting your car searched in that situation, IMO, is unreasonable and protected in our constitution. maybe someone on here with a police background can shed some light on it( Bobcat immediately comes to mind.)

Most importantly y'all are safe. I am thankful for that.
from what you have said, I agree that the search was wrong.

[jakerz]

I hate every single cop. It takes a special human being to be a cop, I'll tell you that much.

Your brother should have asked what or if he was being held for anything. The cop obviously had to ask to search and your brother said yes? If not he should have just said I don't consent to a search since you're not charging me with anything.

I've been stopped in Waco 6...yes 6 times in Waco for nothing other then "looking suspicious"...funny how 4 times out of those 6 I was with a black guy. :rolleyes:

F The Popos

[TXFOOSBALL]

Let's see....if I can read some facts into this account.....we got a 17 year old driving around with a young girl in a very nice truck (was it really nice...tricked out....rims....wheels.....trim.....dark tint)......

Maybe they were clowning around and playing grab **s and he swerved a bit...just a bit.....or the cop just didn't think it looked right with a kid driving a nice truck......he checked it out.....really simple stuff...

If your brother had been a car theif and the cop didn't follow his instincts, there would be a really mad person who lost a truck who would like to hear the story of how a cop didn't do his job...and be just as mad as you are....

If you have nothing to hide......don't worry about it.....it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience....

Try looking at it from the point of a victim who had their truck stolen 30 minutes earlier....it might give a different perspective.

It is about your rights. I have no problem with the cop pulling him over and giving a sobriety test but he had absolutely no right to search his car...You have to have probable cause to search a vehicle and after he passed a sobriety test and a breathalyzer the cop had no reason to search the car. I would have told that cop that he would need to get a warrant if he wanted to search my car. I understand that he had nothing to hide but you still have to stand up for your rights as an american citizen. Oh yea...I am sure the cop was looking for a stolen truck:rolleyes: He was trying to harrass a young kid a flex his muscles....what a joke.

[jakerz]

Ask for the official explanation for the initial stop and resulting actions on the part of the officer. As one poster said, there may have been a report of a stolen vehicle. Then again, it may be like you said, nothing better to do. If the cop is a good one, the report will be reasonable, even if his actions (in yours and my mind) were not.

If the report of the pull-over is not quite "right" the department will be glad someone questioned it in the long run. Nothing may happen to this officer, but his actions will be noted and he may be told it was an unrighteous stop.

my .02

I don't think the unit would give a sh**. If it was a stolen vehicle all the officer would have to do was run license/plates and check. After he in fact passed the cross check he should have let them on their way. The search is way out of hand but police officers don't give a sh**, "they have a job to do." :eek::rolleyes:

[slorch]

I hate every single cop.

that's no more reasonable than the searches.

[jakerz]

If you have nothing to hide......don't worry about it.....it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience...

When it becomes a monthly thing it becomes more then just a minor inconvenience. Racial/social profiling unfortunately determines how cops make stops these days. Let's not actually patrol the streets but instead pull over young kids because theres a 50/50 chance they will have something illegal on them.

[jakerz]

that's no more reasonable than the searches.

Oh well it looks like we're on the same level.

I send out bad vibes
Cops...well ya know what they do :rolleyes:

[slorch]

When it becomes a monthly thing it becomes more then just a minor inconvenience. Racial/social profiling unfortunately determines how cops make stops these days. Let's not actually patrol the streets but instead pull over young kids because theres a 50/50 chance they will have something illegal on them.

wow, you answered your own question...

[jakerz]

wow, you answered your own question...

A cops job isn't to "guess" that someone, based on looks, car looks, rims, etc, have anything to do with anything illegal.

[Mhs06]

#1 I am glad your brother and you are safe.

#2 I would be just as mad as you.

For those familiar with Lubbock, I once pulled out onto 4th street from Conference Cafe( Sports bar) and was going to head south on Indiana right by the United Spirit Arena and get on Brownfield HWY to go over to the 50th Street Caboose. When my cousin and I left the CC parking lot, I had forgotten to turn my headlights on( it was twilight,) and immediately after getting on 4th St, a cop pulls in behind me, as he was just waiting for people to leave the CC.
I had Tech stickers and USMC on the back of my car, we just left a popular hangout for students and I am sure this cop thought he had a nice juicy DUI on his hands. As we turn onto Indiana, the bubble gum machine gets turned on and we pull over right by University medical Center.
He runs my license, asks me where we were going, yada, yada, yada. Then he told me my lights weren't on and I said, "Yes sir, I realized that, and immediately turned them on." he then asked me why I didn't use my turn signal at the light to go south on Indiana. I then told him that it was a turn-only lane and that I figured it was self-explanatory where I was going to go.
Then he asks me to get out of the car and we go between the police vehicle and mine and he tells me to stand on one foot and I just bust out laughing. I said, " You're kidding right? I haven't had a drop of alcohol." He seemed kind of ticked off that I was laughing and he sternly says, " Mr (Slorch) this is serious! I said, " Absolutely it is. That's why I don't drink and drive. I have nothing in the vehicle except books and our work-out stuff, if you think we're up to something, then by all means check it out. You won't find so much as a cigarrette. I then just told him, "We're boring, let us go eat our dinner."
It almost seemed begrudgingly to me, but the cop just wrote me a warning for the headlights. I know this must pale in comparison with someone that is actively trying to find something on you(or your bro.) i couldn't believe he was going to do a sobriety test, then I dared him to search the car. I know when I started laughing, it had to have crossed his mind that I was on something, and that is why I dared him to search the car. While it would have been an inconvenience and lost time with my cousin that was in town, we still had ZERO to hide.
That sounds like your situation. IMO, this is what activists that are supposedly looking out for wrongdoing should be doing to change things in our society. It sounds like y'all were totally innocent, but only y'all know the whole story. getting your car searched in that situation, IMO, is unreasonable and protected in our constitution. maybe someone on here with a police background can shed some light on it( Bobcat immediately comes to mind.)

Most importantly y'all are safe. I am thankful for that.
from what you have said, I agree that the search was wrong.

You are my hero.

[slorch]

Oh well it looks like we're on the same level.

I send out bad vibes
Cops...well ya know what they do :rolleyes:


what does that say about you?

Do you honestly believe every cop is out to get you? Maybe it's that cop-killa garb you wear...;):D

[jakerz]

what does that say about you?

Do you honestly believe every cop is out to get you? Maybe it's that cop-killa garb you wear...;):D

I can only speak from experience and every time I've got pulled over has been for profiling. I can't ride in certain parts of town anymore with certain friends because of cops.

Let me have a good cop encounter and I might change my mind, until then...f' em.

[GoOwls]

A cops job isn't to "guess" that someone, based on looks, car looks, rims, etc, have anything to do with anything illegal.

YES IT IS.....crime prevention is his job....as much as cleaning up after the fact....too many times his job is cleaning up after the fact...it's quite nice when he can prevent one......

If you kids are unhappy with the methods of the profile, quit setting the standards of what a criminal looks like as he drives by....you live by the sword, you die by the sword...that's just life, kiddo, and you don't like it that you can't play it your way and by your rules......

[jakerz]

YES IT IS.....crime prevention is his job....as much as cleaning up after the fact....too many times his job is cleaning up after the fact...it's quite nice when he can prevent one......

If you kids are unhappy with the methods of the profile, quit setting the standards of what a criminal looks like as he drives by....you live by the sword, you die by the sword...that's just life, kiddo, and you don't like it that you can't play it your way and by your rules......

Just because me and a drug dealer might happen to have the same car choices doesn't mean we have the same lifestyle. All cops are racist, ignorant, fat and smelly. An eye for an eye or a sword for a sword whatever you say.

The only rules I want are being able to drive in peace, ya digg?

[Firebird]

Ok. As slorch may remember I cited an example in another thread where my vehicle was searched by a police officer for no other reason than I refused a search. At the time I was 16 and although I was pissed about it I never did anything.

Tonight...

My brother and I are in separate cars on our way home from bowling. He is following me in his truck going north on 183 and I am going about 63 in a 65 (varying in that range). All of the sudden I see flashing red and blue lights roaring up in my rear view mirror and my brother is pulled over so I pull over about 20 yards ahead of him. I sit there wondering what the hell is going on and after several minutes my brother and his girlfriend both get out of the car and start walking towards the police vehicle. I get out of my car wondering what the :Censor: is going on and the officer demands I get back into my vehicle. I am sitting there watching and the officer pulls out a breathalyzer machine (or something to that effect I guess) and my brother puffs into it. Waits. Puffs again. Waits. Puffs again. Cleans off breathalyzer. Puffs again. (I'm getting annoyed watching this)

Well now it is time for the field sobriety test apparently. I see him doing various bull:Censor: and he is CLEARLY not drunk (he is 17 and hasn't had a damn sip of alcohol) so the officer gives up the DUI charge. Now I watch the officer point them to sit down by the guard rail and they both obey and the OFFICER PULLS OUT A FLASHLIGHT AND BEGINS SEARCHING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR. I text my brother asking him what the :Censor: is going on and he texts me back saying "searching my car."


What reasonable cause, exactly, did this officer have for pulling my brother over in the first place, administering a field sobriety test and a breathalyzer test, and then WHAT IN THE WORLD REASONABLE CAUSE DID HE HAVE TO SEARCH HIS VEHICLE? Last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, and I am looking right now, I have the freedom FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURES and so does my brother.

I wouldn't be so ticked off right now if this was an extremely random event that never happens but this is TWICE. You shouldn't be allowed to just search a vehicle just because you freaking feel like it. I can PARTIALLY understand giving a 100% unjustified field sobriety test but wtf is the reason for searching a vehicle?

I want to contact a lawyer. Should I contact a lawyer? I am pretty sure that even if I did nothing will become of it anyways so should I even bother?

By the way the officer didn't find a single thing in the car because, TADA, there was nothing in the car.

Call a lawyer. Call the cop shop and complain. Bring your parents into this one if they are supportive. Call and complain every day, several times a day, making sure you are polite and mention who, exactly, the officer was.

Ask to see the report. Ask to know what (if anything) they are doing to follow up. Do not let it rest or leave them alone. It's summer, what do you have better to do? They make it their mission to bother you, now make it your mission to bother them.

Stolen truck report is BS and Owls knows it. All it takes is a simple plate check.

[LoneRocket]

Ok. As slorch may remember I cited an example in another thread where my vehicle was searched by a police officer for no other reason than I refused a search. At the time I was 16 and although I was pissed about it I never did anything.

Tonight...

My brother and I are in separate cars on our way home from bowling. He is following me in his truck going north on 183 and I am going about 63 in a 65 (varying in that range). All of the sudden I see flashing red and blue lights roaring up in my rear view mirror and my brother is pulled over so I pull over about 20 yards ahead of him. I sit there wondering what the hell is going on and after several minutes my brother and his girlfriend both get out of the car and start walking towards the police vehicle. I get out of my car wondering what the :Censor: is going on and the officer demands I get back into my vehicle. I am sitting there watching and the officer pulls out a breathalyzer machine (or something to that effect I guess) and my brother puffs into it. Waits. Puffs again. Waits. Puffs again. Cleans off breathalyzer. Puffs again. (I'm getting annoyed watching this)

Well now it is time for the field sobriety test apparently. I see him doing various bull:Censor: and he is CLEARLY not drunk (he is 17 and hasn't had a damn sip of alcohol) so the officer gives up the DUI charge. Now I watch the officer point them to sit down by the guard rail and they both obey and the OFFICER PULLS OUT A FLASHLIGHT AND BEGINS SEARCHING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR. I text my brother asking him what the :Censor: is going on and he texts me back saying "searching my car."


What reasonable cause, exactly, did this officer have for pulling my brother over in the first place, administering a field sobriety test and a breathalyzer test, and then WHAT IN THE WORLD REASONABLE CAUSE DID HE HAVE TO SEARCH HIS VEHICLE? Last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, and I am looking right now, I have the freedom FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURES and so does my brother.

I wouldn't be so ticked off right now if this was an extremely random event that never happens but this is TWICE. You shouldn't be allowed to just search a vehicle just because you freaking feel like it. I can PARTIALLY understand giving a 100% unjustified field sobriety test but wtf is the reason for searching a vehicle?

I want to contact a lawyer. Should I contact a lawyer? I am pretty sure that even if I did nothing will become of it anyways so should I even bother?

By the way the officer didn't find a single thing in the car because, TADA, there was nothing in the car.

What city and county were you in? What law enforcement agency pulled your brother over?

[Firebird]

BTW...next time it happens. Stay in the car until asked to get out. Ask why you are being pulled over. Refuse the breathalyzer and insist on a blood test. They'll either cut you lose because they know it's BS what they are doing or take you to jail and wait to do a blood test. Probably the former, as the cop will not want to haul in an obviously sober kid to the cop shop and take the time to get a nurse. He'll end up looking stupid, and you'll be able to raise more hell.

You'll have your license suspended for a while, but you will be able to prove this was more of a hassle for you in court after you call a lawyer and start raising holy hell over this BS.

[GoOwls]

Just because me and a drug dealer might happen to have the same car choices doesn't mean we have the same lifestyle. All cops are racist, ignorant, fat and smelly. An eye for an eye or a sword for a sword whatever you say.

The only rules I want are being able to drive in peace, ya digg?

I have this convo with a kid I work with every few weeks.

He's black, 29 years old, single, non-drug user, drinks lightly, straight as an arrow.

He has two cars. One is a BMW, the other is a tricked out, black Accord with all the "drug dealer" accessories.......

When he drives the BMW to work.....no problems in 5 years.

When he drives the Accord.....7 pullovers in 5 years....just in Garland.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...cops will think it's a duck.

Common sense.

If you want to not trigger a bored cop....adjust your life...or quit complaining.

It's just a fact of life...with climbing crime rates....they will check stuff out when nothing is going on....it the nature of the beast.....if you don't want to be on the receiving end....think like a cop......

[Firebird]

I have this convo with a kid I work with every few weeks.

He's black, 29 years old, single, non-drug user, drinks lightly, straight as an arrow.

He has two cars. One is a BMW, the other is a tricked out, black Accord with all the "drug dealer" accessories.......

When he drives the BMW to work.....no problems in 5 years.

When he drives the Accord.....7 pullovers in 5 years....just in Garland.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...cops will think it's a duck.

Common sense.

If you want to not trigger a bored cop....adjust your life...or quit complaining.

It's just a fact of life...with climbing crime rates....they will check stuff out when nothing is going on....it the nature of the beast.....if you don't want to be on the receiving end....think like a cop......

Gosh, you make me me sick with this crap. There's no such thing as drug dealer accessories. There's no law against being black with a tricked out accord and you shouldn't have to "adjust your life" to avoid being hassled by stupid police officers.

You're no conservative, you're a facist.

[GoOwls]

Call a lawyer. Call the cop shop and complain. Bring your parents into this one if they are supportive. Call and complain every day, several times a day, making sure you are polite and mention who, exactly, the officer was.

Ask to see the report. Ask to know what (if anything) they are doing to follow up. Do not let it rest or leave them alone. It's summer, what do you have better to do? They make it their mission to bother you, now make it your mission to bother them.

Stolen truck report is BS and Owls knows it. All it takes is a simple plate check.

Not BS....common sense....and you SHOULD know it.

[slorch]

Just because me and a drug dealer might happen to have the same car choices doesn't mean we have the same lifestyle. All cops are racist, ignorant, fat and smelly. An eye for an eye or a sword for a sword whatever you say.

The only rules I want are being able to drive in peace, ya digg?

You've openly talked about your drug use in the past, now you're talking of hanging with a known drug dealer.

at what point am I supposed to be intelligently sympathetic towards your situation with the cops?

[GoOwls]

Gosh, you make me me sick with this crap. There's no such thing as drug dealer accessories. There's no law against being black with a tricked out accord and you shouldn't have to "adjust your life" to avoid being hassled by stupid police officers.

You're no conservative, you're a facist.

I'm not saying I agree with it....I'm saying that it's reality...it's the way it is.

To ignore reality is pure ignorance of the facts.

Thanks for the facist thing.....you're better than that...and you know I'm not....name calling is below your intelligence...which I respect.

[dada]

I have this convo with a kid I work with every few weeks.

He's black, 29 years old, single, non-drug user, drinks lightly, straight as an arrow.

He has two cars. One is a BMW, the other is a tricked out, black Accord with all the "drug dealer" accessories.......

When he drives the BMW to work.....no problems in 5 years.

When he drives the Accord.....7 pullovers in 5 years....just in Garland.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...cops will think it's a duck.

Common sense.

If you want to not trigger a bored cop....adjust your life...or quit complaining.

It's just a fact of life...with climbing crime rates....they will check stuff out when nothing is going on....it the nature of the beast.....if you don't want to be on the receiving end....think like a cop......

Why should you have to adjust your life to avoid harrassment from cops? Isnt that profiling? which is illegal. I mean what exactly is "drug dealer" accesseries? Land in Columbia? a Plane? Cops thinking everything is a "duck" is the problem....not the guy who likes driving his accord. That's like saying the Fed should raid every CEO in every Energy trading company to make sure we don't have another "Enron"...

[GoOwls]

Gosh, you make me me sick with this crap. There's no such thing as drug dealer accessories. There's no law against being black with a tricked out accord and you shouldn't have to "adjust your life" to avoid being hassled by stupid police officers.

You're no conservative, you're a facist.

In the world of preventative law enfocement there is....those guys learn tendencies...just like stock brokers, mailmen, whatever.....they are slaves to the tendencies in their job just like the rest of us......grow up.

[slorch]

why do people trick out their cars like that? to make a statement.

the cops are taking the statement at face value.

Why is GoOwls a fascist for describing reality with someone that is his friend?

When I was pulled over, i broke no laws, but we looked the part, had Tech stickers on my car and we had just left a drinking establishment. There's a difference in profiling and using indicators.

It's amazing that people throw all of this attitude out there with their behavior or vehicles and then castigate the cops for checking them out.

These would be the first folks to gripe about not having a safe place to live because cops are so dumb they can't even see the clues right under their noses.

if you think you've been done wrong, then sue their ***, otherwise, STFU.

[GoOwls]

Why should you have to adjust your life to avoid harrassment from cops? Isnt that profiling? which is illegal. I mean what exactly is "drug dealer" accesseries? Land in Columbia? a Plane? Cops thinking everything is a "duck" is the problem....not the guy who likes driving his accord. That's like saying the Fed should raid every CEO in every Energy trading company to make sure we don't have another "Enron"...

I hear you...loud and clear....but reality is reality.....

check posts #32 and #34.

[slorch]

Why should you have to adjust your life to avoid harrassment from cops? Isnt that profiling? which is illegal. I mean what exactly is "drug dealer" accesseries? Land in Columbia? a Plane? Cops thinking everything is a "duck" is the problem....not the guy who likes driving his accord. That's like saying the Fed should raid every CEO in every Energy trading company to make sure we don't have another "Enron"...

are you familiar with the Sarbanes-Oxley act? We cannot do crap without being accused...um...checked out for accounting inproprieties.

besides that, Jakerz wants to hear about a positive cop-experience. i think he missed the female deputy story.;)

[dada]

why do people trick out their cars like that? to make a statement.

the cops are taking the statement at face value.

Why is GoOwls a fascist for describing reality with someone that is his friend?

When I was pulled over, i broke no laws, but we looked the part, had Tech stickers on my car and we had just left a drinking establishment. There's a difference in profiling and using indicators.

It's amazing that people throw all of this attitude out there with their behavior or vehicles and then castigate the cops for checking them out.

These would be the first folks to gripe about not having a safe place to live because cops are so dumb they can't even see the clues right under their noses.

if you think you've been done wrong, then sue their ***, otherwise, STFU.

People "trick" out their cars the same reason some people buy expensive cars...that shouldnt give one person an advantage or disadvantage over the other....it's all profiling and stereotyping no matter how you look at it....if people agree with this then why not say:

if the driver is hispanic...pull them over, they have no insurance

if he has big mud tires on his truck...pull him over he's probably racist and has a weapon.

if he's Asian.....he's about to race

as far as sueing.....what will that settle....especially if you weren't charged with anything.

[dada]

I hear you...loud and clear....but reality is reality.....

check posts #32 and #34.

and reality sometimes can be wrong and unfair. That's just the surface....the same way people a profiled and afraid of being harrassed by cops, other are profiled and afraid of being killed.

[slorch]

People "trick" out their cars the same reason some people buy expensive cars...that shouldnt give one person an advantage or disadvantage over the other....it's all profiling and stereotyping no matter how you look at it....if people agree with this then why not say:

if the driver is hispanic...pull them over, they have no insurance

if he has big mud tires on his truck...pull him over he's probably racist and has a weapon.

if he's Asian.....he's about to race

as far as sueing.....what will that settle....especially if you weren't charged with anything.

If you can't prove it in court, then I guess it's just griping...:rolleyes:;)

[jakerz]

You've openly talked about your drug use in the past, now you're talking of hanging with a known drug dealer.

at what point am I supposed to be intelligently sympathetic towards your situation with the cops?

You read my posts wrong...I was just saying since me and a drug dealer have similiar looking cars, or features on the car, it doesn't make me guilty.

[dada]

If you can't prove it in court, then I guess it's just griping...:rolleyes:;)

Been there done that....so it's griping...I don't think cops are bad, but sometimes it's just frustrating, degrading and embarassing.

[mad_fan]

People "trick" out their cars the same reason some people buy expensive cars...that shouldnt give one person an advantage or disadvantage over the other....it's all profiling and stereotyping no matter how you look at it....if people agree with this then why not say:

if the driver is hispanic...pull them over, they have no insurance

if he has big mud tires on his truck...pull him over he's probably racist and has a weapon.

if he's Asian.....he's about to race

as far as sueing.....what will that settle....especially if you weren't charged with anything.

If the profiles didn't fit...the cops would quit...

Signed,
Johnnie Cochran

[jakerz]

why do people trick out their cars like that? to make a statement.

the cops are taking the statement at face value.

Why is GoOwls a fascist for describing reality with someone that is his friend?

When I was pulled over, i broke no laws, but we looked the part, had Tech stickers on my car and we had just left a drinking establishment. There's a difference in profiling and using indicators.

It's amazing that people throw all of this attitude out there with their behavior or vehicles and then castigate the cops for checking them out.

These would be the first folks to gripe about not having a safe place to live because cops are so dumb they can't even see the clues right under their noses.

if you think you've been done wrong, then sue their ***, otherwise, STFU.

So I need to take the rims, tint and bang out of my car so cops will stop harassing me? Is that what America has come to? :o

[slorch]

People "trick" out their cars the same reason some people buy expensive cars...that shouldnt give one person an advantage or disadvantage over the other....it's all profiling and stereotyping no matter how you look at it....if people agree with this then why not say:

if the driver is hispanic...pull them over, they have no insurance

if he has big mud tires on his truck...pull him over he's probably racist and has a weapon.

if he's Asian.....he's about to race

as far as sueing.....what will that settle....especially if you weren't charged with anything.

are you a cop?;):D

[drgnbkr]

This is an ugly thread...all cops are not stupid and all people who drive pimped out rides are not criminals. But, you would have a higher % of success guessing that a cop was not stupid, than guessing a pimped driver was not a criminal...fact.

[mad_fan]

and reality sometimes can be wrong and unfair. That's just the surface....the same way people a profiled and afraid of being harrassed by cops, other are profiled and afraid of being killed.

Three black men that can't keep their pants up are walking on the sidewalk toward mad...
mad chooses to...
a. crosses the street...
b. crosses the street...
c. crosses the street...

[mad_fan]

So I need to take the rims, tint and bang out of my car so cops will stop harassing me? Is that what America has come to? :o

You could just stay out of my neighborhood...;)

[slorch]

You read my posts wrong...I was just saying since me and a drug dealer have similiar looking cars, or features on the car, it doesn't make me guilty.

that would be correct. Sorry if I misread them.( note to self, increase caffeine flow)

[dada]

Three black men that can't keep their pants up are walking on the sidewalk toward mad...
mad chooses to...
a. crosses the street...
b. crosses the street...
c. crosses the street...

Well Mad-Fan could miss out on meeting a great person:D
Ask Miss Kitty, KtFiend, Kt2000 what they do when I black man that cant keep his pants up knocks on their door

[jakerz]

You could just stay out of my neighborhood...;)

I don't think you live in a East Waco type of neighborhood...

hopefully.

[tayb]

I hate every single cop. It takes a special human being to be a cop, I'll tell you that much.

Your brother should have asked what or if he was being held for anything. The cop obviously had to ask to search and your brother said yes? If not he should have just said I don't consent to a search since you're not charging me with anything.

I've been stopped in Waco 6...yes 6 times in Waco for nothing other then "looking suspicious"...funny how 4 times out of those 6 I was with a black guy. :rolleyes:

F The Popos

He didn't consent to a search. The officer asked him "Do you have any weapons, illegal drugs, or dead bodies in the vehicle?" My brother said no and then he was instructed to sit on the curb and the officer searched his car.

[dada]

This is an ugly thread...all cops are not stupid and all people who drive pimped out rides are not criminals. But, you would have a higher % of success guessing that a cop was not stupid, than guessing a pimped driver was not a criminal...fact.

no, this thread is flat out SCARY:(...had to make sure it was 2008

[jakerz]

that would be correct. Sorry if I misread them.( note to self, increase caffeine flow)

Watch out those drugs will getcha;)

[LoneRocket]

Well Mad-Fan could miss out on meeting a great person:D
Ask Miss Kitty, KtFiend, Kt2000 what they do when I black man that can keep his pants up knocks on their door

I wonder if it happend in Williamson County another one for the other thread.

[slorch]

So I need to take the rims, tint and bang out of my car so cops will stop harassing me? Is that what America has come to? :o

yes, just get a prius with a little flower air freshener hanging from the mirror and an "Apple" sticker on the back window.

Tells cops immediately- NO THREAT.:D

[jakerz]

He didn't consent to a search. The officer asked him "Do you have any weapons, illegal drugs, or dead bodies in the vehicle?" My brother said no and then he was instructed to sit on the curb and the officer searched his car.

This is illegal, highly illegal...call a lawyer seriously. Right now

I still think it won't matter because it's the cops word against yours and they are better then average citizens...so....

[tayb]

YES IT IS.....crime prevention is his job....as much as cleaning up after the fact....too many times his job is cleaning up after the fact...it's quite nice when he can prevent one......

If you kids are unhappy with the methods of the profile, quit setting the standards of what a criminal looks like as he drives by....you live by the sword, you die by the sword...that's just life, kiddo, and you don't like it that you can't play it your way and by your rules......

Wow. Glad to see your generation is on its way out.

Quit setting standards for what a criminal looks like? I wasn't aware that a criminal was a "well dressed teenager in a nice vehicle." I guess next time I'll try to drive a more crappy car and look like I have less money that way I won't be pulled over as often and searched.

The criminals and terrorists really HAVE won if that is the way you think. Truly sad.

[slorch]

Three black men that can't keep their pants up are walking on the sidewalk toward mad...
mad chooses to...
a. crosses the street...
b. crosses the street...
c. crosses the street...

you're just profiling.:rolleyes:

[GoOwls]

People "trick" out their cars the same reason some people buy expensive cars...that shouldnt give one person an advantage or disadvantage over the other....it's all profiling and stereotyping no matter how you look at it....if people agree with this then why not say:

if the driver is hispanic...pull them over, they have no insurance

if he has big mud tires on his truck...pull him over he's probably racist and has a weapon.

if he's Asian.....he's about to race

as far as sueing.....what will that settle....especially if you weren't charged with anything.

In nature, male birds have bright colors to be seen.

In the city, if you have bright colors, you will be seen.

In the city, if you have bright colors (read: tricked out car) you will be profiled as a "potential" criminal because they have seen enough indicators to know the probability of such.....to ignore them doing their job as preventers of crime as well as "clear-er-up-ers" of crime scenes is pure ignorance...I prefer them to prevent than to clean up.

Hypothetical:

A group of kids drives by in a "tricked out car"...slowly....

A cop sees this behavior and says "well, I'd like to check that car out, but I can't because the guys on 5A think it's unreasonable and racist or bigoted, so I'll just let them go".

The car rounds the block and does a drive-by and kills two teenagers, one a star HS football player. The cop failing pulling the kids over gets into the press.....

We'd have multiple threads talking about sorry cops who don't follow their instincts....

REDICULOUS....and grossly hypocritical....go look in the mirror guys.

[dada]

I wonder if it happend in Williamson County another one for the other thread.

183 runs through Austin so it's Williamson or Travis

[slorch]

Watch out those drugs will getcha;)

they probably should be illegal in the quantity that i drink them...;)

[dada]

This is illegal, highly illegal...call a lawyer seriously. Right now

I still think it won't matter because it's the cops word against yours and they are better then average citizens...so....

unless he was charged or ticketed...there is nothing you can do....only gripe like someone else said.

[tayb]

This is an ugly thread...all cops are not stupid and all people who drive pimped out rides are not criminals. But, you would have a higher % of success guessing that a cop was not stupid, than guessing a pimped driver was not a criminal...fact.

His car is not "pimped out." The truck is nice simply because its newer and has a nice interior as in leather, nav system, etc.

I have never met a cop that wasn't a complete dumb:Censor:. Sorry. Met plenty of people that drive nice cars that aren't though.

[LoneRocket]

183 runs through Austin so it's Williamson or Travis

It also runs through Caldwell County.

[dada]

In nature, male birds have bright colors to be seen.

In the city, if you have bright colors, you will be seen.

In the city, if you have bright colors (read: tricked out car) you will be profiled as a "potential" criminal because they have seen enough indicators to know the probability of such.....to ignore them doing their job as preventers of crime as well as "clear-er-up-ers" of crime scenes is pure ignorance...I prefer them to prevent than to clean up.

Hypothetical:

A group of kids drives by in a "tricked out car"...slowly....

A cop sees this behavior and says "well, I'd like to check that car out, but I can't because the guys on 5A think it's unreasonable and racist or bigoted, so I'll just let them go".

The car rounds the block and does a drive-by and kills two teenagers, one a star HS football player. The cop failing pulling the kids over gets into the press.....

We'd have multiple threads talking about sorry cops who don't follow their instincts....

REDICULOUS....and grossly hypocritical....go look in the mirror guys.

REAL criminals don't bring attention to themselves.

Teen driving NICE car rides by cops....cop thinks nothing of it........kid in BMW high off crystal meth....kills start student....then what?

What was probable cause for pulling over guys driving slowly???

[tayb]

In nature, male birds have bright colors to be seen.

In the city, if you have bright colors, you will be seen.

In the city, if you have bright colors (read: tricked out car) you will be profiled as a "potential" criminal because they have seen enough indicators to know the probability of such.....to ignore them doing their job as preventers of crime as well as "clear-er-up-ers" of crime scenes is pure ignorance...I prefer them to prevent than to clean up.

Hypothetical:

A group of kids drives by in a "tricked out car"...slowly....

A cop sees this behavior and says "well, I'd like to check that car out, but I can't because the guys on 5A think it's unreasonable and racist or bigoted, so I'll just let them go".

The car rounds the block and does a drive-by and kills two teenagers, one a star HS football player. The cop failing pulling the kids over gets into the press.....

We'd have multiple threads talking about sorry cops who don't follow their instincts....

REDICULOUS....and grossly hypocritical....go look in the mirror guys.

No. The cop failing to pull the vehicle over would not ever be noticed because the cop never had a reason to pull the vehicle over. I don't remember a Texas law that reads "Driving a nice vehicle while following the rules of the road warrants a search of a vehicle."

I guess, going by your twisted logic, every single arab or indian passing through airport security should have their baggage thoroughly searched as to prevent another hijacking or bombing. Because, if we didn't, and they happened to blow up Tony Romo... blah blah blah.

[mad_fan]

Well Mad-Fan could miss out on meeting a great person:D
Ask Miss Kitty, KtFiend, Kt2000 what they do when I black man that can keep his pants up knocks on their door


dada owns a belt...or buys proper fitting jeans...:D

[LoneRocket]

His car is not "pimped out." The truck is nice simply because its newer and has a nice interior as in leather, nav system, etc.

I have never met a cop that wasn't a complete dumb:Censor:. Sorry. Met plenty of people that drive nice cars that aren't though.

What city and county were you in? What law enforcement agency pulled your brother over?

[dada]

dada owns a belt...or buys proper fitting jeans...:D

My bad...I meant CAN'T keep his pants up...lol

[mad_fan]

Hypothetical:

A group of kids drives by in a "tricked out car"...slowly....


They are saving gas???
:rolleyes:

[jakerz]

In nature, male birds have bright colors to be seen.

In the city, if you have bright colors, you will be seen.

In the city, if you have bright colors (read: tricked out car) you will be profiled as a "potential" criminal because they have seen enough indicators to know the probability of such.....to ignore them doing their job as preventers of crime as well as "clear-er-up-ers" of crime scenes is pure ignorance...I prefer them to prevent than to clean up.

Hypothetical:

A group of kids drives by in a "tricked out car"...slowly....

A cop sees this behavior and says "well, I'd like to check that car out, but I can't because the guys on 5A think it's unreasonable and racist or bigoted, so I'll just let them go".

The car rounds the block and does a drive-by and kills two teenagers, one a star HS football player. The cop failing pulling the kids over gets into the press.....

We'd have multiple threads talking about sorry cops who don't follow their instincts....

REDICULOUS....and grossly hypocritical....go look in the mirror guys.

I don't even know what to say. Do you know the world you're living in?

Cops should never under any circumstance profile someone. If the person is breaking a law, or has broken a law that they have seen, follow the person, check plates, if necessary pull them over. Go from there. Cops need to start pulling over every Ford or Chevy truck that has some sort of redneck sticker/mud on the tires because they're all meth users.

What's even worse then cops profiling is how they automatically assume they're above the constitution once they put that uniform on.

[tayb]

What city and county were you in? What law enforcement agency pulled your brother over?

I'm going to assume it was Williamson County and I am pretty sure it was a DPS Trooper.

[mad_fan]

This is illegal, highly illegal...

Wrong...case after case after case...your expectation of privacy in a motor vehicle is ZERO...

[dada]

Wrong...case after case after case...your expectation of privacy in a motor vehicle is ZERO...

still, you need probable cause before an arrest, warrant or search.

[slorch]

I'm going to assume it was Williamson County and I am pretty sure it was a DPS Trooper.

i thought you were there...

not being a smart_ss, but was it in an area close to a county line or something? Was the car black and white like a state trooper or did it have some other fancy designs on the side like a local cop?

[jakerz]

Wrong...case after case after case...your expectation of privacy in a motor vehicle is ZERO...

Just to let you know there's this thing called the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[LoneRocket]

I'm going to assume it was Williamson County and I am pretty sure it was a DPS Trooper.

Your brother can write a letter to the head of DPS Col. Tommy Davis and copy your state legislator house member and senator explaining what happened to him, inquire if he could review the police dash board camera and explain why he was pulled over and the events that occured during the stop. I had a friend who was profiled by a DPS officer and he contacted the Col. and he got a response and resolution that worked for him.

[dada]

Just to let you know there's this thing called the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

http://www.vosna.com/article/42178/Probable-Cause-Under-the-Fourth-Amendment.html

[GoOwls]

I'm out....this is totally fruitless talking sense to people who can't hear....or won't hear....

I'm out on the street, every day, not in some office. I see the kids who are dealing, pimping, etc.,....I know where they live, what they drive, who they hang with....if you think there aren't common things with the larger percentage of them....you live on MARS.

If you think the cops don't see it....you live on MARS and VENUS simultaneously in overlapping dimensions....:rolleyes:

[tayb]

Wrong...case after case after case...your expectation of privacy in a motor vehicle is ZERO...

That is entirely untrue. You have an expectation of privacy in your vehicle and an officer CAN search your vehicle IF he has probable cause. What is undefined, and what police officers seem to think is "whatever the heck they want", is what probable cause is. Apparently "probable cause" has gotten to the point of "being alive and driving a vehicle."

[LoneRocket]

still, you need probable cause before an arrest, warrant or search.

Son is that weed I smell, I am going to have to search that car? O my bad it was wild parsley, I am going to let you go this time so you better keep your nose clean.

[slorch]

What setttlement could you reach with the DPS?

OK, every other Saturday, send your guy down to the house and I'll have my own version of community service set up. I'll also take 5 grand to keep this from ever getting to 5ATF...um...the media.:D

[dada]

I'm out....this is totally fruitless talking sense to people who can't hear....or won't hear....

I'm out on the street, every day, not in some office. I see the kids who are dealing, pimping, etc.,....I know where they live, what they drive, who they hang with....if you think there aren't common things with the larger percentage of them....you live on MARS.

If you think the cops don't see it....you live on MARS and VENUS simultaneously in overlapping dimensions....:rolleyes:

So you're sayin...based on the kids you see...it's Ok to lump all of them in the same catagory....

[slorch]

So you're sayin...based on the kids you see...it's Ok to lump all of them in the same catagory....

lock 'em up...;)

[tayb]

I'm out....this is totally fruitless talking sense to people who can't hear....or won't hear....

I'm out on the street, every day, not in some office. I see the kids who are dealing, pimping, etc.,....I know where they live, what they drive, who they hang with....if you think there aren't common things with the larger percentage of them....you live on MARS.

If you think the cops don't see it....you live on MARS and VENUS simultaneously in overlapping dimensions....:rolleyes:

Thanks. Tired of hearing it.

[mad_fan]

Just to let you know there's this thing called the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

When I logon each day...I have probable cause to believe I already know every posters position on a given subject...

I am the beholder...and I have the authority on my computer...to prejudge...
Cops do the same...on their watch...

[GoOwls]

So you're sayin...based on the kids you see...it's Ok to lump all of them in the same catagory....

No....but it's ignorant to think that if they "appear" like the bad ones that they won't be lumped into that category....until proven otherwise.

Again....common sense

I've found common sense is rarely fair....but it is what it is....;)

[dada]

Ok...we know what Drug dealers look like....usually pants sagging, driving tricked out Hondas. I need to be aware so can someone tell me what a rapist looks like.....a theif,.....an addict, an arsonist......a drinker...a smoker....I need to know.....and I'm pretty sure HPD needs to know too so they can start pulling these guys over based on their personal "hunches"

[jakerz]

I'm out....this is totally fruitless talking sense to people who can't hear....or won't hear....

I'm out on the street, every day, not in some office. I see the kids who are dealing, pimping, etc.,....I know where they live, what they drive, who they hang with....if you think there aren't common things with the larger percentage of them....you live on MARS.

If you think the cops don't see it....you live on MARS and VENUS simultaneously in overlapping dimensions....:rolleyes:

I guess you & cops don't see the kids in the rich part of town driving brand new F-150s doing the same if not worse drugs...because I do.

Unfortunately people in America the type of car you drive determines if you get harassed or not.

[tayb]

No....but it's ignorant to think that if they "appear" like the bad ones that they won't be lumped into that category....until proven otherwise.

Again....common sense

I've found common sense is rarely fair....but it is what it is....;)

Well... going by your logic...

I have met several cops in my life and every single one of them have been completely useless morons... so I have probable cause to think that EVERY SINGLE cop I see from here on out is a completely useless moron. No?

[mad_fan]

That is entirely untrue. You have an expectation of privacy in your vehicle and an officer CAN search your vehicle IF he has probable cause. What is undefined, and what police officers seem to think is "whatever the heck they want", is what probable cause is. Apparently "probable cause" has gotten to the point of "being alive and driving a vehicle."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Ross
On June 1, 1982, The Supreme Court, with a vote of 6 to 3, ruled that the warrantless search of the containers found during the search of the car was constitutional, falling within the existing precedent for a warrant-less search called the "automobile exception". Justice John Paul Stevens delivered the opinion of the Court.

[mad_fan]

still, you need probable cause before an arrest, warrant or search.

WRONG...
see my previous post...

[GoOwls]

No....but it's ignorant to think that if they "appear" like the bad ones that they won't be lumped into that category....until proven otherwise.

Again....common sense

I've found common sense is rarely fair....but it is what it is....;)

BTW, this isn't "Whitey" sitting on a computer being judgemental on minorities.

Some of my kids have been in trouble too...I warned them....I told them how they would be percieved.....they didn't listen and got in trouble...one of them deserved the trouble because he was doing, and still is doing, bad things....mostly to himself.

I've been there.....I know what I'm talking about. The cops would drive by our house and slow down just so the kid would see them looking at him....he got on their list....and he deserved it.

[tayb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Ross
On June 1, 1982, The Supreme Court, with a vote of 6 to 3, ruled that the warrantless search of the containers found during the search of the car was constitutional, falling within the existing precedent for a warrant-less search called the "automobile exception". Justice John Paul Stevens delivered the opinion of the Court.

If you keep reading it states that a police officer still has to have probable cause to find something if they believe a search will yield a result. I would like to know the ridiculously slow % of searches that actually yield results.

My problem is that officers search vehicles just because probable cause, to them, is driving a nice car, being black, wearing baggy clothes, having rims, having chrome, having underglow, having tinted windows, breathing, having arms, being young, have a red car, having a white car, or having a car and driving down a road in general.

[mad_fan]

Well... going by your logic...

I have met several cops in my life and every single one of them have been completely useless morons... so I have probable cause to think that EVERY SINGLE cop I see from here on out is a completely useless moron. No?

Think as you wish...but I've always looked at it this way...
Besides mad...ms mad and the cop are the only two people in the world that can decide where mad spends the night...

[dada]

WRONG...
see my previous post...

Update:http://www1.law.umkc.edu/suni/Criminal_Procedure_I/Houghton.htm

just cant pull a car over and search without having probable cause first....

So you're saying a cop can say "Look a Honda...let's search it"?

[GoOwls]

I guess you & cops don't see the kids in the rich part of town driving brand new F-150s doing the same if not worse drugs...because I do.

Unfortunately people in America the type of car you drive determines if you get harassed or not.

I see them pulling over the rich kids in F-150's after they make a pick-up at a known drug dealers home.....Vettes and Porsches parked for 2 minutes in a neighborhood of 50-70,000 dollar homes is a pretty good tip off....;)

[dada]

BTW, this isn't "Whitey" sitting on a computer being judgemental on minorities.

Some of my kids have been in trouble too...I warned them....I told them how they would be percieved.....they didn't listen and got in trouble...one of them deserved the trouble because he was doing, and still is doing, bad things....mostly to himself.

I've been there.....I know what I'm talking about. The cops would drive by our house and slow down just so the kid would see them looking at him....he got on their list....and he deserved it.

was his car tricked out?

[mad_fan]

If you keep reading it states that a police officer still has to have probable cause to find something if they believe a search will yield a result. I would like to know the ridiculously slow % of searches that actually yield results.

My problem is that officers search vehicles just because probable cause, to them, is driving a nice car, being black, wearing baggy clothes, having rims, having chrome, having underglow, having tinted windows, breathing, having arms, being young, have a red car, having a white car, or having a car and driving down a road in general.

I know the law...and again...probable cause is in the eye of the beholder...

[GoOwls]

Thanks. Tired of hearing it.

I bet you are.....sorry....the truth can be tough to take.

[jakerz]

I see them pulling over the rich kids in F-150's after they make a pick-up at a known drug dealers home....

Why werent they pulling over the F-150s in their neighborhood? They should know their profiles ;)

[tayb]

Think as you wish...but I've always looked at it this way...
Besides mad...ms mad and the cop are the only two people in the world that can decide where mad spends the night...

I don't think all cops are stupid. My point is the ridiculousness that "one did it so they all might have done it" logic.

[tayb]

I bet you are.....sorry....the truth can be tough to take.

The nonsense that flies out of your keyboard is nothing but just that, nonsense.

[mad_fan]

Update:http://www1.law.umkc.edu/suni/Criminal_Procedure_I/Houghton.htm

just cant pull a car over and search without having probable cause first....

So you're saying a cop can say "Look a Honda...let's search it"?

NEWS FLASH...probable cause is in the eye of the beholder...
That's why very few cases get anywhere when the judgement of the cop is called into question on a search issue...

[slorch]

Ok...we know what Drug dealers look like....usually pants sagging, driving tricked out Hondas. I need to be aware so can someone tell me what a rapist looks like.....a theif,.....an addict, an arsonist......a drinker...a smoker....I need to know.....and I'm pretty sure HPD needs to know too so they can start pulling these guys over based on their personal "hunches"

this is easy...:rolleyes:


rapists wear this-http://members.fortunecity.es/chapumetalero/logo_duke.jpg



Thieves wear this-http://www.networkingtheinternet.com/images/oil-company-logos.jpg


extortion anyone?-http://www.innoveer.com/images/logos_Health.gif

[GoOwls]

Well... going by your logic...

I have met several cops in my life and every single one of them have been completely useless morons... so I have probable cause to think that EVERY SINGLE cop I see from here on out is a completely useless moron. No?


That's your call....they probably think the same of you....just to keep it fair.

[dada]

I see them pulling over the rich kids in F-150's after they make a pick-up at a known drug dealers home.....Vettes and Porsches parked for 2 minutes in a neighborhood of 50-70,000 dollar homes is a pretty good tip off....;)

so....if I visit goowls.....what car do I drive? If I'm in the monte carlo...I might be mistaken for a drug dealer......if I'm in a benz....might be mistaken as a drug dealer.......have a white guy riding with me....might be mistaken as a drug dealer....another black guy with me....we are looking for a house to rob........what's a guy to do!!!!!!!:D

[dada]

NEWS FLASH...probable cause is in the eye of the beholder...
That's why very few cases get anywhere when the judgement of the cop is called into question on a search issue...

so to a racist...probable cause is a black guy in a honda.....:confused:

[LoneRocket]

Update:http://www1.law.umkc.edu/suni/Criminal_Procedure_I/Houghton.htm

just cant pull a car over and search without having probable cause first....

So you're saying a cop can say "Look a Honda...let's search it"?

Maybe we need to link this to your favorite county thread.

[LoneRocket]

so to a racist...probable cause is a black guy in a honda.....:confused:

Maybe we need Dat Le's view on this issue.

[tayb]

That's your call....they probably think the same of you....just to keep it fair.

Right. And I just highlighted the stupidity that is profiling.

Don't they teach kids when they are young not to judge by looks? Or is discrimination waived when you sign on to be a police officer?

[jakerz]

so....if I visit goowls.....what car do I drive? If I'm in the monte carlo...I might be mistaken for a drug dealer......if I'm in a benz....might be mistaken as a drug dealer.......have a white guy riding with me....might be mistaken as a drug dealer....another black guy with me....we are looking for a house to rob........what's a guy to do!!!!!!!:D

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/michael-jackson-neverland.jpg

[dada]

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/michael-jackson-neverland.jpg

that's one ugly white woman!!!!!!!

[jakerz]

Maybe we need Dat Le's view on this issue.

Dat Le races cars...pull him over ASAP and search for um....nitrogen or check the speedometer. There must be something you can do to f' with him.

[GoOwls]

was his car tricked out?

His problem wasn't car related....he's almost never driven, 2 DWI's very young....his problem is drug use and his appearance....he reaks of "white wannabe gangsta"....and he's paid the price.

[mad_fan]

so to a racist...probable cause is a black guy in a honda.....:confused:

If you have a RACIST COP...maybe so...but that has nothing to do with the law of searches...that's an entirely different issue...

[dada]

If you have a RACIST COP...maybe so...but that has nothing to do with the law of searches...that's an entirely different issue...

Leaving probable cause in the eye of the beholder is leaving it WIDE OPEN....for instance...I wouldnt want to see GoOwls as a cop because I would spend a lot of unecessary time and money fighting erroneous court cases....Two black guys in a "tricked" out car is NOT probable cause.

[LoneRocket]

Dat Le races cars...pull him over ASAP and search for um....nitrogen or check the speedometer. There must be something you can do to f' with him.

He raps freestyle also.

[GoOwls]

Why werent they pulling over the F-150s in their neighborhood? They should know their profiles ;)

Driving an F-150 is not a drugger profile.....most F-150's are owned by responsible adults.

Now, driving an expensive or tricked out car in an underpriviledged neighborhood tends to set off warning signals.

[dada]

If there was a black cops in you guys neighboorhoods just pulling you over randomly for no reason would you consider it as him "Doing his job" or would you want him off the force?

[mad_fan]

Leaving probable cause in the eye of the beholder is leaving it WIDE OPEN....for instance...I wouldnt want to see GoOwls as a cop because I would spend a lot of unecessary time and money fighting erroneous court cases....Two black guys in a "tricked" out car is NOT probable cause.

I agree...
Not knowing the time, circumstance, or behavior of the individuals...

[GoOwls]

The nonsense that flies out of your keyboard is nothing but just that, nonsense.

From the mouths of babes......;)

[dada]

Driving an F-150 is not a drugger profile.....most F-150's are owned by responsible adults.

Now, driving an expensive or tricked out car in an underpriviledged neighborhood tends to set off warning signals.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWw...

Note to self...if I decide to smuggle drugs...do it in a F-150


I REALLY don't know what to say:(

[mad_fan]

If there was a black cops in you guys neighboorhoods just pulling you over randomly for no reason would you consider it as him "Doing his job" or would you want him off the force?

I know a black officer here in San Angelo...formerly with the Air Force Police at Goodfellow AFB...
Most everyone he pulls over on the southwest side of town is white...:)

[jakerz]

Driving an F-150 is not a drugger profile.....most F-150's are owned by responsible adults.

Now, driving an expensive or tricked out car in an underpriviledged neighborhood tends to set off warning signals.

You have no idea man. You're profiling just like the cops, the same exact mindset.

[GoOwls]

so....if I visit goowls.....what car do I drive? If I'm in the monte carlo...I might be mistaken for a drug dealer......if I'm in a benz....might be mistaken as a drug dealer.......have a white guy riding with me....might be mistaken as a drug dealer....another black guy with me....we are looking for a house to rob........what's a guy to do!!!!!!!:D

If you visit me and get pulled over on the way...just tell them you're going to see me.....automatic coolness will be upon you and you'll be free to go..... :D

[tayb]

Driving an F-150 is not a drugger profile.....most F-150's are owned by responsible adults.

Now, driving an expensive or tricked out car in an underpriviledged neighborhood tends to set off warning signals.

:notworthy:notworthy

I guess you really don't see how ridiculous that sounds.

I'll make sure to rent an F-150 if I ever want to deal drugs.

[slorch]

If there was a black cops in you guys neighboorhoods just pulling you over randomly for no reason would you consider it as him "Doing his job" or would you want him off the force?

so we're racists? We would feel differently if the cop was black. That's crazy, man, and insulting.

I don't want anyone being unjustly searched, harrassed, or otherwise being inconvenienced.

i've had rude white cops pull me over. Guess what, some cops are rude to everyone. They probably shouldn't have that job, but some just want to write it off as race issues. Will I ever know what it feels like to be in your shoes in that situation, no. That doesn't mean I like what you are going through or make my assessment based on race factors.

[GoOwls]

Leaving probable cause in the eye of the beholder is leaving it WIDE OPEN....for instance...I wouldnt want to see GoOwls as a cop because I would spend a lot of unecessary time and money fighting erroneous court cases....Two black guys in a "tricked" out car is NOT probable cause.

WAIT...WHOA!!!!

I didn't say I agreed with the practice.....I said it was reality...please don't paint me with that racist brush....I'm just relating what I percieve as the reality of the world we live in......the reality I tried to give my kids for the last 3 deacdes....with some success....not all...but some.

[tayb]

WAIT...WHOA!!!!

I didn't say I agreed with the practice.....I said it was reality...please don't paint me with that racist brush....I'm just relating what I percieve as the reality of the world we live in......the reality I tried to give my kids for the last 3 deacdes....with some success....not all...but some.

So... you teach your kids to accept that status quo... just because it is the status quo... even though you think it is wrong...?

[LoneRocket]

If you visit me and get pulled over on the way...just tell them you're going to see me.....automatic coolness will be upon you and you'll be free to go..... :D

Its ok Mr. Officer we are making a run to GoOwls house, you know “yo mailman”. He can easily make deliveries for us because it is on his route. I know it could be considered double dipping which is now the least of his worries but it is a good cover for us. Search warrant in 5 – 4 - 3 - 2- 1.

[rocketgrl94]

Its ok Mr. Officer we are making a run to GoOwls house, you know “yo mailman”. He can easily make deliveries for us because it is on his route. I know it could be considered double dipping which is now the least of his worries but it is a good cover for us. Search warrant in 5 – 4 - 3 - 2- 1.

:notworthy:laugh:notworthy

[dada]

so we're racists? We would feel differently if the cop was black. That's crazy, man, and insulting.

I don't want anyone being unjustly searched, harrassed, or otherwise being inconvenienced.

i've had rude white cops pull me over. Guess what, some cops are rude to everyone. They probably shouldn't have that job, but some just want to write it off as race issues. Will I ever know what it feels like to be in your shoes in that situation, no. That doesn't mean I like what you are going through or make my assessment based on race factors.

No I'm not saying you're racists..but some could argue that the cop was and that he was profiling...to him based on the "eye of the beholder" thing...probable cause is any decent looking white person in a nice car.

[GoOwls]

If there was a black cops in you guys neighboorhoods just pulling you over randomly for no reason would you consider it as him "Doing his job" or would you want him off the force?

We have black cops in Garland...happens all the time...no problem...I have nothing to hide.

BTW, I've been pulled over, in Garland, 7 times in the last 18 years. I don't speed, no tickets, never been in a police office except for the kids, drive mini-vans and small SUV's......

Maybe you guys just have paranoia and you want to blame something for your own mistakes.....I guess cops will do.

[dada]

WAIT...WHOA!!!!

I didn't say I agreed with the practice.....I said it was reality...please don't paint me with that racist brush....I'm just relating what I percieve as the reality of the world we live in......the reality I tried to give my kids for the last 3 deacdes....with some success....not all...but some.

Again...I'm not pulling the race card on ANYONE......I'm pulling the profiling/sterotype card....what happens when it leads to something a lot worse than pulling over a car and searching it?

[GoOwls]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWw...

Note to self...if I decide to smuggle drugs...do it in a F-150


I REALLY don't know what to say:(


Acknowledge the reality of the world you live in.

[jakerz]

Acknowledge the reality of the world you live in.

It's wrong. Let's all just acknowledge the reality of all wrong things in this world and keep them that way. We don't need to progress..

:eek::eek::eek:

[GoOwls]

:notworthy:notworthy

I guess you really don't see how ridiculous that sounds.

I'll make sure to rent an F-150 if I ever want to deal drugs.

Good idea...you'll stand a better chance of getting away with it....;)

[dada]

We have black cops in Garland...happens all the time...no problem...I have nothing to hide.

BTW, I've been pulled over, in Garland, 7 times in the last 18 years. I don't speed, no tickets, never been in a police office except for the kids, drive mini-vans and small SUV's......

Maybe you guys just have paranoia and you want to blame something for your own mistakes.....I guess cops will do.

When he pulls you over..are handcuffed, searched, laid out for public display waiting for the K9 unit..humiliated? I have nothing to hide either. I have reasons to justify my paranoia...especially when til this day I STILL don't know why I was pulled over in the first place...no one seems to be able to tell me.

[rocketgrl94]

When he pulls you over..are handcuffed, searched, laid out for public display waiting for the K9 unit..humiliated? I have nothing to hide either. I have reasons to justify my paranoia...especially when til this day I STILL don't know why I was pulled over in the first place...no one seems to be able to tell me.

:notworthytell 'em dada!:notworthy

[tayb]

Acknowledge the reality of the world you live in.

Sad. Just because it is the way it is doesn't mean it is the way it should be.

[jakerz]

We have black cops in Garland...happens all the time...no problem...I have nothing to hide.

BTW, I've been pulled over, in Garland, 7 times in the last 18 years. I don't speed, no tickets, never been in a police office except for the kids, drive mini-vans and small SUV's......

Maybe you guys just have paranoia and you want to blame something for your own mistakes.....I guess cops will do.

I have nothing to hide when driving and I've been pulled over 6 times for absolutely nothing. A "routine stop" or checking our seatbelts...bullsh**. K9 has been called twice, waste of time and tax payers money. STOP SOME REAL CRIME!!!!!!

The paranoi that we have is because we have something to be paranoid...******* cops messing with innocent people. I cant even drive through certain parts of town when Im with my black friends...********.

[dada]

:notworthytell 'em dada!:notworthy

Seriously, after 3 or 4 times...you get tired of "fitting the description".....or "This car looks too good for this neighborhood" Then I learn that it's MY fault..I should change what I drive, what I wear, where I live. It's bullsh*t

[GoOwls]

So... you teach your kids to accept that status quo... just because it is the status quo... even though you think it is wrong...?

Reality is reality........my job, as parent, is to teach my kids how survive in their environment....I did my best to do that.

If they, or you, or anyone else wants to go on a crusade to change the way "things are"....be my guest...

Just know that I've been here all morning and gotten nowhere with things I know to be facts of life...only buttin' my head against a wall....

So if you want to "change the world"...have at it, but be ready to do more than post on a BB all morning...a lot more.......

Otherwise, adapt to your environment...or pay the consequenses.

[rocketgrl94]

Sad. Just because it is the way it is doesn't mean it is the way it should be.

let me say this its people who think like this and im talkin' about everything in general is why America is the way it is!

[mad_fan]

let me say this its people who think like this and im talkin' about everything in general is why America is the way it is!

I never can figure out what rocketgrl is saying...
And that's not profiling...
It's punctuation...:p

[tayb]

Reality is reality........my job, as parent, is to teach my kids how survive in their environment....I did my best to do that.

If they, or you, or anyone else wants to go on a crusade to change the way "things are"....be my guest...

Just know that I've been here all morning and gotten nowhere with things I know to be facts of life...only buttin' my head against a wall....

So if you want to "change the world"...have at it, but be ready to do more than post on a BB all morning...a lot more.......

Otherwise, adapt to your environment...or pay the consequenses.

No. I'm not going to adapt to an environment. My generation isn't going to go bellow up and just throw rights in the trash like yours did. (By the way with the passing of all this legislation giving up rights to deter crime has crime gone down in this country... NO.) I'm not going to teach my children to accept and unjust society just because "thats the way it is." This country is founded on the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to change the government. If you don't want to exercise that right and choose to sit around that is fine but I won't and I hope there are others that won't as well. It is pretty obvious that you have already rolled over.

[GoOwls]

It's wrong. Let's all just acknowledge the reality of all wrong things in this world and keep them that way. We don't need to progress..

:eek::eek::eek:

Again, be ready to do a whole lot more than post all morning on a BB if you want change.

Paying lip service on here is easy...doing the real work takes stones.....do you have them?

[GoOwls]

When he pulls you over..are handcuffed, searched, laid out for public display waiting for the K9 unit..humiliated? I have nothing to hide either. I have reasons to justify my paranoia...especially when til this day I STILL don't know why I was pulled over in the first place...no one seems to be able to tell me.

4 of the 7 times, I didn't know either.....I mean...no offense...but cry me a river......

[GoOwls]

:notworthytell 'em dada!:notworthy

Do you read all the posts...or just the ones you like?

[rocketgrl94]

I never can figure out what rocketgrl is saying...
And that's not profiling...
It's punctuation...:p

i dont understand what you're sayin' most of the time either...but if u cant understand that then.....oh C'mon mad!!!!

[GoOwls]

Sad. Just because it is the way it is doesn't mean it is the way it should be.

Then get off this idiotic BB and do the work for change....if it's REALLY that big a deal to you.....:rolleyes:..;)

[dada]

4 of the 7 times, I didn't know either.....I mean...no offense...but cry me a river......

explain what happens when you are pulled over for no reason...obviously it's different from a lot of our experiences.

[rocketgrl94]

Do you read all the posts...or just the ones you like?

most posts, you, hookem, jakerz, dada, oh and LoneRocket i skip over mads though:p

[GoOwls]

No. I'm not going to adapt to an environment. My generation isn't going to go bellow up and just throw rights in the trash like yours did. (By the way with the passing of all this legislation giving up rights to deter crime has crime gone down in this country... NO.) I'm not going to teach my children to accept and unjust society just because "thats the way it is." This country is founded on the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to change the government. If you don't want to exercise that right and choose to sit around that is fine but I won't and I hope there are others that won't as well. It is pretty obvious that you have already rolled over.

Then get of this BB and start to work....you're getting nothing done here....

Put your actions where your mouth is.

[tayb]

Then get off this idiotic BB and do the work for change....if it's REALLY that big a deal to you.....:rolleyes:..;)

Oh believe me. I will. I didn't have the resources the last time this happened.

[GoOwls]

i dont understand what you're sayin' most of the time either...but if u cant understand that then.....oh C'mon mad!!!!

No offense....but I'm not surprised.....mostly cheerlead anyway.

[tayb]

No offense....but I'm not surprised.....mostly cheerlead anyway.

No offense... but I'm not surprised you would try and insult someones intelligence.

[GoOwls]

Oh believe me. I will. I didn't have the resources the last time this happened.

Keep me up on the progess with all that.....I'll be watching the news for the legislation you will push for....;)

Let's get real here.....nobody on this board is going to accomplish anything about change becasue we don't even have the ability to change each others opinions, much less 250 million, 300 million people, how many ever........:eek:

Life is too short to worry about the small stuff....I bet most of you have high blood pressure.....better get that looked at....;)

[mad_fan]

Time for the Lock Tight on this thread...:)

[GoOwls]

No offense... but I'm not surprised you would try and insult someones intelligence.

Go back and check her previous posts on this subject....no substance...just cheerleading dada....tell me where I'm factually incorrect.

I like her....just not on this thread.

[rocketgrl94]

No offense....but I'm not surprised.....mostly cheerlead anyway.

no..no offense when it comes from a one track mind like you;)
and if i really agree with somebodys post then i will cheerlead

[GoOwls]

explain what happens when you are pulled over for no reason...obviously it's different from a lot of our experiences.

Well, I found out after I got pulled over....the other 3 I knew why.

The 4 "afters" were because I was related to my kids and step-kids....:D

[GoOwls]

no..no offense when it comes from a one track mind like you;)
and if i really agree with somebodys post then i will cheerlead

Gotcha.....I really do like you though....not that you probably care.....:) ;)

You're usually a good read.

[mad_fan]

no..no offense when it comes from a one track mind like you;)
and if i really agree with somebodys post then i will cheerlead

This is true...she did her thing for me...even as I dogged her inability to post a link...:p
PS I know you read everything I write...like a stalker...;)

[rocketgrl94]

Gotcha.....I really do like you though....not that you probably care.....:) ;)

You're usually a good read.

stop kissin' up!!!:rolleyes:;)

[dada]

Well, I found out after I got pulled over....the other 3 I knew why.

The 4 "afters" were because I was related to my kids and step-kids....:D

but usually it probably just consits of a "let me see your liscense and registration" right?....no "Driver step away from your vehichle...take three steps back, put your hands on your head, no lay on the ground".....I would love to get pulled ovef for no reason the way you are pulled over for no reason. You probably pull off thinking "He's just doing his job, keeping us safe"...I pull off wishing he would take off the uniform so I can beat the living Sh*t out of him

[GoOwls]

no..no offense when it comes from a one track mind like you;)
and if i really agree with somebodys post then i will cheerlead

See....this is what bothers me about this board....if you write contrarian to a percieved norm, you're "ONE TRACK MINDED", or whatever....all I did was relate my perception of a relatively unchangable reality that we would all be better off at least acknowledging exists...stuck to my guns....and I'm the bad guy...unbelievable....:(

I may be wrong.....but I see no contrition here or anyone who thinks that possibly they could be wrong or interpreting me wrong......:(

Just exactly where are the one track minds anyway...here's the mirror.

[GoOwls]

but usually it probably just consits of a "let me see your liscense and registration" right?....no "Driver step away from your vehichle...take three steps back, put your hands on your head, no lay on the ground".....I would love to get pulled ovef for no reason the way you are pulled over for no reason. You probably pull off thinking "He's just doing his job, keeping us safe"...I pull off wishing he would take off the uniform so I can beat the living Sh*t out of him

issues....issues....is he the one with problems or you.....(introspective statement...not meant to point fingers....;))

[GoOwls]

stop kissin' up!!!:rolleyes:;)

I'll kiss up to any and every one I want to.....thank you....:D

[dada]

issues....issues....is he the one with problems or you.....(introspective statement...not meant to point fingers....;))

Seems like his "problem" is my skin color and the $ amount on my car....Guess thats justified. Silly me for not "knowing my role"

[mad_fan]

See....this is what bothers me about this board....if you write contrarian to a percieved norm, you're "ONE TRACK MINDED"

Who's the poster with a two tracked mind??? Besides dada...:D

[rocketgrl94]

See....this is what bothers me about this board....if you write contrarian to a percieved norm, you're "ONE TRACK MINDED", or whatever....all I did was relate my perception of a relatively unchangable reality that we would all be better off at least acknowledging exists...stuck to my guns....and I'm the bad guy...unbelievable....:(

I may be wrong.....but I see no contrition here or anyone who thinks that possibly they could be wrong or interpreting me wrong......:(

Just exactly where are the one track minds anyway...here's the mirror.

you are not a bad guy cuz you have this opinion everybody has one...its just alot of people dont agree with what you are sayin' about somebody havin' a tricked out ride is askin' for trouble and to get pulled over especially when you're talkin' to people a little bit younger than you or should i say not in your generation its gonna come to disagreements cuz i know there will always be stereotypes until it stops spreading onto the next generation....and we all know thats not ever going to stop
but to sum it up Owls you alright....i guess :D

[GoOwls]

you are not a bad guy cuz you have this opinion everybody has one...its just alot of people dont agree with what you are sayin' about somebody havin' a tricked out ride is askin' for trouble and to get pulled over especially when you're talkin' to people a little bit younger than you or should i say not in your generation its gonna come to disagreements cuz i know there will always be stereotypes until it stops spreading onto the next generation....and we all know thats not ever going to stop
but to sum it up Owls you alright....i guess :D

See, the problem is perception.

The people with tricked out rides are going, "why am I being persecuted for having a tricked out ride"....and rightly so.

My point isn't that people shouldn't have tricked out rides....it's that you shouldn't be surprised when you get pulled over for having one since that is generally equated to possible problem people by the police....see...I'm not hatin'...I'm trying to educate my making a point of other peoples perceptions of you when you get out in that rice burner.....:D

[drgnbkr]

Who's the poster with a two tracked mind??? Besides dada...:D

I have a no-track mind..I think!

[slorch]

mine derailed years ago...:o

[stevefoxsc]

YES IT IS

OOOOO HOOO BOY DO I GOT A STORY FOR YOU! Dada will know where i'm coming from since i've told him about this experience.


On my senior year of high school, a police officer would follow me every night when I left my job for one week. He tailgated me so closely I couldn't break, for if I did I would be rear ended. For that entire week when I got off work he would follow me straight to my house. I wasn't speeding, the car i had at the time was a 1986 ford tempo which topped at 85... I didn't do any california rolls, i didn't run red lights or anything. For what ever reason he followed me...

Do you know why i was followed? Because i past a predominately black area apartment complex that had its fair share of cops. Maybe it was odd to see a partially junky car with an African American go into the nice side of town for once? So if I'm not speeding,drinking,doing drugs, or doing anything breaking any American law. What did i do ? The only thing i really can say is be black.
Sure it's an unfortunate statistic that young African American males are sent to jail more than any other race, but most are for laughable offense. But that does not mean we are all the same... Being a cop does not mean you have the opportunity to racially profile.

You know that racial profiling was the reason one of Americas most notorious killers was never captured... The Zodiac. There is a racist component to the law rather you want to believe it or not...There is a difference how the service is provided between rich & poor black & white at times. A small stat from a few years ago no more than 2-3. If 46% of the people on death row are white, and 42% are black. Yet blacks are only 10% of the population why such a high number? Greater the rush to find the purpitrator, greater the pressure from the community to find the purpitrator. Ultimately moves the police in the area where mistakes are made. The investigation process the collection of evidence ultimately leading to an arrest a conviction or wrongful execution of the individual.


Honestly re-think what you said...

[Firebird]

Not BS....common sense....and you SHOULD know it.

Not B.S. Could it justify a quick stop...a plate and registration check...and a "thank you sir, just got a report of a similar stolen truck...good evening?

Yes, absolutely. Not, "Now that you're pulled over I think I'll breathalyze you and search the car."

[Firebird]

I'm not saying I agree with it....I'm saying that it's reality...it's the way it is.

To ignore reality is pure ignorance of the facts.

Thanks for the facist thing.....you're better than that...and you know I'm not....name calling is below your intelligence...which I respect.

Facist is a descriptor...and stating that people should have to change the car they drive or the clothes they wear just to avoid being hassled by the authorities...is a facist mindset. "If the profile fits...."

[HUM398]

If there was a black cops in you guys neighboorhoods just pulling you over randomly for no reason would you consider it as him "Doing his job" or would you want him off the force?

They don't send black cops to white neighborhoods...I thought everyone new that.

[RedRage00]

I have this convo with a kid I work with every few weeks.

He's black, 29 years old, single, non-drug user, drinks lightly, straight as an arrow.

He has two cars. One is a BMW, the other is a tricked out, black Accord with all the "drug dealer" accessories.......

When he drives the BMW to work.....no problems in 5 years.

When he drives the Accord.....7 pullovers in 5 years....just in Garland.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...cops will think it's a duck.

Common sense.

If you want to not trigger a bored cop....adjust your life...or quit complaining.

It's just a fact of life...with climbing crime rates....they will check stuff out when nothing is going on....it the nature of the beast.....if you don't want to be on the receiving end....think like a cop......

Damn, you have issues....more than what I thought. :eek:

[RedRage00]

Wow. Glad to see your generation is on its way out.

Quit setting standards for what a criminal looks like? I wasn't aware that a criminal was a "well dressed teenager in a nice vehicle." I guess next time I'll try to drive a more crappy car and look like I have less money that way I won't be pulled over as often and searched.

The criminals and terrorists really HAVE won if that is the way you think. Truly sad.

I can't wait for that. :notworthy

[RedRage00]

I don't even know what to say. Do you know the world you're living in?

Cops should never under any circumstance profile someone. If the person is breaking a law, or has broken a law that they have seen, follow the person, check plates, if necessary pull them over. Go from there. Cops need to start pulling over every Ford or Chevy truck that has some sort of redneck sticker/mud on the tires because they're all meth users.

What's even worse then cops profiling is how they automatically assume they're above the constitution once they put that uniform on.

That's why I don't drive thru Garland. :D

[RedRage00]

Keep me up on the progess with all that.....I'll be watching the news for the legislation you will push for....;)

Let's get real here.....nobody on this board is going to accomplish anything about change becasue we don't even have the ability to change each others opinions, much less 250 million, 300 million people, how many ever........:eek:

Life is too short to worry about the small stuff....I bet most of you have high blood pressure.....better get that looked at....;)


Folks, thats why I never venture out to Garland. It's a whole city full of GoOwls. :eek:

[RedRage00]

Go back and check her previous posts on this subject....no substance...just cheerleading dada....tell me where I'm factually incorrect.

I like her....just not on this thread.

That's your problem. You talk down to everyone on this board like you are more intelligent than them.

I think its funny how you try to "save" Firebird. lol Sorry, but Firebird will never be as whack as you.

[RedRage00]

See....this is what bothers me about this board....if you write contrarian to a percieved norm, you're "ONE TRACK MINDED", or whatever....all I did was relate my perception of a relatively unchangable reality that we would all be better off at least acknowledging exists...stuck to my guns....and I'm the bad guy...unbelievable....:(

I may be wrong.....but I see no contrition here or anyone who thinks that possibly they could be wrong or interpreting me wrong......:(

Just exactly where are the one track minds anyway...here's the mirror.

I'm all late in this thread but anyway.....DUDE, YOU ARE A ONE TRACK MIND! When your own conservative friends on here think you are whack then you must really be whack....what is that saying....duck?;) They don't even wanna claim you. I notice how Slorch ignored your post on this thread lol

Anyway, I remember you crying because some test said you were an extremist.....It's true! ;)

[CoveMom]

Just because me and a drug dealer might happen to have the same car choices doesn't mean we have the same lifestyle. All cops are racist, ignorant, fat and smelly. An eye for an eye or a sword for a sword whatever you say.

The only rules I want are being able to drive in peace, ya digg?

You do realize you are white, don't you? :D

Are you saying (in the last few posts?) that you are being stopped by cops that are not white when you are in "non-white" neighborhoods? Or have you been wearing makeup? :p

[ktCarl]

Ok. As slorch may remember I cited an example in another thread where my vehicle was searched by a police officer for no other reason than I refused a search. At the time I was 16 and although I was pissed about it I never did anything.

Tonight...

My brother and I are in separate cars on our way home from bowling. He is following me in his truck going north on 183 and I am going about 63 in a 65 (varying in that range). All of the sudden I see flashing red and blue lights roaring up in my rear view mirror and my brother is pulled over so I pull over about 20 yards ahead of him. I sit there wondering what the hell is going on and after several minutes my brother and his girlfriend both get out of the car and start walking towards the police vehicle. I get out of my car wondering what the :Censor: is going on and the officer demands I get back into my vehicle. I am sitting there watching and the officer pulls out a breathalyzer machine (or something to that effect I guess) and my brother puffs into it. Waits. Puffs again. Waits. Puffs again. Cleans off breathalyzer. Puffs again. (I'm getting annoyed watching this)

Well now it is time for the field sobriety test apparently. I see him doing various bull:Censor: and he is CLEARLY not drunk (he is 17 and hasn't had a damn sip of alcohol) so the officer gives up the DUI charge. Now I watch the officer point them to sit down by the guard rail and they both obey and the OFFICER PULLS OUT A FLASHLIGHT AND BEGINS SEARCHING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR. I text my brother asking him what the :Censor: is going on and he texts me back saying "searching my car."


What reasonable cause, exactly, did this officer have for pulling my brother over in the first place, administering a field sobriety test and a breathalyzer test, and then WHAT IN THE WORLD REASONABLE CAUSE DID HE HAVE TO SEARCH HIS VEHICLE? Last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, and I am looking right now, I have the freedom FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURES and so does my brother.

I wouldn't be so ticked off right now if this was an extremely random event that never happens but this is TWICE. You shouldn't be allowed to just search a vehicle just because you freaking feel like it. I can PARTIALLY understand giving a 100% unjustified field sobriety test but wtf is the reason for searching a vehicle?

I want to contact a lawyer. Should I contact a lawyer? I am pretty sure that even if I did nothing will become of it anyways so should I even bother?

By the way the officer didn't find a single thing in the car because, TADA, there was nothing in the car.

They were just keeping your brother safe from democracy.

[RedRage00]

I have a friend in Lewisville that hates cops with a passion, and rightfully so.

He told me that several years ago he bought a really nice Lexus. After he bought that Lexus he said the cops in Lewisville began to pull him over...it was the same cop every time. Also, it wasn't all tricked out or whatever...it was nice, but he didn't have what GoOwls would call "Drug dealer accessories"...it was just a really nice Lexus. The same cop would pull him over all the time just to mess with him....the cop already knew his car. He finally got another car and the cop stopped messing with him.

Also.....he was charged with a DWI and he wasn't even drunk. Matter of fact, he didn't have one single drop of alcohol in his body. He had went to a Happy Hour with some co workers after work, but he doesn't drink. They were there pretty late and he decided to drive some of his coworkers home instead of letting them drive drunk. After he had dropped them off he was driving back to his house when the cops pulled him over (This is when he had the Lexus). They said he was speeding and he told the cop "How could I have been speeding when I had my cruise control on 60".....I guess the cop got pissed because he assumed my friend gave him "attitude"....and he pulled him out of the car....and took him in and said he was charging him with a DWI. They dragged him to the Dallas jail and actually charged him with a DWI.....I'm not sure of all the details because I'm just going by what he told me. But apparently, it would have cost him more to fight it than all the fees that come with a DWI....I don't know, but if it was me I would have raised hell.......so, he's been on probation since and I don't know how often he sees his probation officer.......this guy is a stand up citizen. Has never broken a law in his life and this is how Dallas cops treat you? This is the same guy that took me out for my birthday with Okt0ber and while Okt0ber and I had a few drinks he sat back and watched us....drove us home safely.

I don't believe the DWI will stay on his record once he completes his probation though.

Yeah, I think he has a reason to hate cops.

[RedRage00]

I'm going to tell my sister to take off the new rims she put on her Tahoe because they are "drug dealer" accessories. My sister, who is a 28yr old Registered Nurse who I know won't do stupid cr@p to risk losing her license.....she's a drug dealer now....she has nice rims on her Tahoe.

[HebronHawk]

It is about your rights. I have no problem with the cop pulling him over and giving a sobriety test but he had absolutely no right to search his car...You have to have probable cause to search a vehicle and after he passed a sobriety test and a breathalyzer the cop had no reason to search the car. I would have told that cop that he would need to get a warrant if he wanted to search my car. I understand that he had nothing to hide but you still have to stand up for your rights as an american citizen. Oh yea...I am sure the cop was looking for a stolen truck:rolleyes: He was trying to harrass a young kid a flex his muscles....what a joke.

It didn't sound to me like he searched the inside of the car, just the exterior. Is that correct?

[slorch]

I have a friend in Lewisville that hates cops with a passion, and rightfully so.

He told me that several years ago he bought a really nice Lexus. After he bought that Lexus he said the cops in Lewisville began to pull him over...it was the same cop every time. Also, it wasn't all tricked out or whatever...it was nice, but he didn't have what GoOwls would call "Drug dealer accessories"...it was just a really nice Lexus. The same cop would pull him over all the time just to mess with him....the cop already knew his car. He finally got another car and the cop stopped messing with him.

Also.....he was charged with a DWI and he wasn't even drunk. Matter of fact, he didn't have one single drop of alcohol in his body. He had went to a Happy Hour with some co workers after work, but he doesn't drink. They were there pretty late and he decided to drive some of his coworkers home instead of letting them drive drunk. After he had dropped them off he was driving back to his house when the cops pulled him over (This is when he had the Lexus). They said he was speeding and he told the cop "How could I have been speeding when I had my cruise control on 60".....I guess the cop got pissed because he assumed my friend gave him "attitude"....and he pulled him out of the car....and took him in and said he was charging him with a DWI. They dragged him to the Dallas jail and actually charged him with a DWI.....I'm not sure of all the details because I'm just going by what he told me. But apparently, it would have cost him more to fight it than all the fees that come with a DWI....I don't know, but if it was me I would have raised hell.......so, he's been on probation since and I don't know how often he sees his probation officer.......this guy is a stand up citizen. Has never broken a law in his life and this is how Dallas cops treat you? This is the same guy that took me out for my birthday with Okt0ber and while Okt0ber and I had a few drinks he sat back and watched us....drove us home safely.

I don't believe the DWI will stay on his record once he completes his probation though.

Yeah, I think he has a reason to hate cops.

I didn't have a drop to drink, but I was charged with DUI, but it was too expensive to fight it...

I would have been demanding a blood sample be taken at the station, but before that I would have been asking for the brethylizer at the scene.

Aren't these holes in people's stories a bit too convenient? I was on the wrong side of the law and I had tools to protect my innocence, but instead of using them, I'll just hate on the cops...:rolleyes:

[CoveMom]

It didn't sound to me like he searched the inside of the car, just the exterior. Is that correct?

C'mon HH. It said "searched every inch of the car" That was English. What difference does it make? I think this cop would have "found" a reason to open the doors and search inside no matter what...

[HebronHawk]

I'm going to assume it was Williamson County and I am pretty sure it was a DPS Trooper.

DPS Trooper's work for the State of Texas and in general, are better trained than your average city cop.

Your complaint would have to be directed to the Texas DPS.

[RedRage00]

I didn't have a drop to drink, but I was charged with DUI, but it was too expensive to fight it...

I would have been demanding a blood sample be taken at the station, but before that I would have been asking for the brethylizer at the scene.

Aren't these holes in people's stories a bit too convenient? I was on the wrong side of the law and I had tools to protect my innocence, but instead of using them, I'll just hate on the cops...:rolleyes:

You weren't there. I wasn't there. I know how good of a guy this person is. I don't think he handled it like I would have....because I would have been raising hell.

Yeah, I hate cops...and? I used to work for a City in the metroplex before I got smart and left....so I know how f8cked up these cops are....I talked with them everyday.

[GoOwls]

Facist is a descriptor...and stating that people should have to change the car they drive or the clothes they wear just to avoid being hassled by the authorities...is a facist mindset. "If the profile fits...."

Look....I'm with you...but we can gripe all we want.......it does nothing to effect change....you an preach all you want to.....perception is perception.

I'm saying, if you don't like to way you are treated, change the perception or accept the treatment.....pretty simple stuff.....if you want to change things, get off this BB and start doing the work...otherwise, a griper here is just blowing hot air with no purpose.

If you don't like the status quo, get out and do something, or shut your yap....griping at me and calling me names for telling it like it is accomplishes nothing...absolutely nothing.

[HebronHawk]

C'mon HH. It said "searched every inch of the car" That was English. What difference does it make? I think this cop would have "found" a reason to open the doors and search inside no matter what...

I'm still reading through this long string. I was traveling today from Austin to Dallas and this is the first I've read. I see where he clarified the search later.

[HebronHawk]

C'mon HH. It said "searched every inch of the car" That was English. What difference does it make? I think this cop would have "found" a reason to open the doors and search inside no matter what...

Having served on a grand jury before which deals with this kind of matter, the police almost always testify that permission to search was granted. We might "roll our eyes" at the appearance of stupidity on the part of people with illegal items in their car giving permission to search but there is usually no conflicting testimony.

In this case, he has his brother viewing the scene from a distance. His chances probably would be good to contest the search. Nothing was found, so the cops would consider the issue closed at this point.

[mad_fan]

I didn't have a drop to drink, but I was charged with DUI, but it was too expensive to fight it...

I would have been demanding a blood sample be taken at the station, but before that I would have been asking for the brethylizer at the scene.

Aren't these holes in people's stories a bit too convenient? I was on the wrong side of the law and I had tools to protect my innocence, but instead of using them, I'll just hate on the cops...:rolleyes:

...while at the same time supporting a strong central federal government...and their easedropping authority...

[GoOwls]

Damn, you have issues....more than what I thought. :eek:

Me....issues.....I'm not one of the people with a problem with this.....I'm just reporting what I see and observe....not what I believe to be right.

You guys on here have a severe problem discerning the nuances of the english language......I have not said I think these things are right or wrong...I'm simply reporting what I see in the world.

You guys have the issues.......;).....I know what I'm saying....do you?

[HebronHawk]

Wrong...case after case after case...your expectation of privacy in a motor vehicle is ZERO...

That's not quite true in law. The police officer is allowed to view anything he can see from the outside to gather "probable cause".

Privacy can be waived by the driver, by the owner of the car if not the driver and in some jurisdictions, by a passenger in the car.

Notice that the privacy has to be waived by someone in the absence of probable cause.

[HUM398]

I have had my fair share of unfortunate unjust incidents with the police, but i have never once jumped to the illogical conclusion that ALL cops are dumb or bigots. its just simply not a possible or responsible assumption to hold.

For the most part a police officer is just a working man trying to get through the day. Remember that.....

[CoveMom]

That's not quite true in law. The police officer is allowed to view anything he can see from the outside to gather "probable cause".
Privacy can be waived by the driver, by the owner of the car if not the driver and in some jurisdictions, by a passenger in the car.

Notice that the privacy has to be waived by someone in the absence of probable cause.

These two statements seem to contradict each other. Tell me why they don't.

Sincerely,
Joanne Q. Public

[HebronHawk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Ross
On June 1, 1982, The Supreme Court, with a vote of 6 to 3, ruled that the warrantless search of the containers found during the search of the car was constitutional, falling within the existing precedent for a warrant-less search called the "automobile exception". Justice John Paul Stevens delivered the opinion of the Court.

Reading in the opinion:

"After noticing a bullet on the front seat, they searched the glove compartment and discovered a pistol"

The bullet, seen from the outside, was probable cause.

[GoOwls]

I'm all late in this thread but anyway.....DUDE, YOU ARE A ONE TRACK MIND! When your own conservative friends on here think you are whack then you must really be whack....what is that saying....duck?;) They don't even wanna claim you. I notice how Slorch ignored your post on this thread lol

Anyway, I remember you crying because some test said you were an extremist.....It's true! ;)

I'm not one of the posers here who care what all of you think of me......I try to be as factual and honest as possible...if that's a problem....too bad....get the KT's to can my butt.

At least I don't cater my posts to impress someone or be accepted....I'll tell it like I see it.....that's what ya'll like about Obama, right....;)

You just don't like my message.....;)

[HebronHawk]

That's not quite true in law. The police officer is allowed to view anything he can see from the outside to gather "probable cause".

Privacy can be waived by the driver, by the owner of the car if not the driver and in some jurisdictions, by a passenger in the car.

Notice that the privacy has to be waived by someone in the absence of probable cause.

Cove Mom, I don't know how to do the double quote thing.

* If the police officer can't find probable cause from an outside observation, he needs someone to give him legal permission to search the vehicle. I don't see the contradiction in this statement.

If he searches anyway, the search can be ruled illegal by a judge and anything found ruled inadmissible.

[slorch]

...while at the same time supporting a strong central federal government...and their easedropping authority...

the "I" in m y post was a first-person thought process through the scenario RedRage described.

Y'all are some guilty conscience mo-fo's that don't want the cops looking at anything. Like I've said before, unless they change the current laws of fee speech and what-not, I don't have a damn thing to hide. It's not a hindrance upon my liberty for them to listen to my boring-assed phones calls either.

[GoOwls]

That's your problem. You talk down to everyone on this board like you are more intelligent than them.

I think its funny how you try to "save" Firebird. lol Sorry, but Firebird will never be as whack as you.

I'm nowhere near the most intelligent here....not even close....but I do have life experiences that people can, and have learned from.....you might give learning a try.

Bird is greatness and he knows how I feel about him....he can talk for himself....but as great as he is, he doesn't know or see everything.....I just try to help fill in his gaps....he'll be better for it. ;)

[HUM398]

That's not quite true in law. The police officer is allowed to view anything he can see from the outside to gather "probable cause".

Privacy can be waived by the driver, by the owner of the car if not the driver and in some jurisdictions, by a passenger in the car.

Notice that the privacy has to be waived by someone in the absence of probable cause.

In the State of Texas, the officer doesn't need a warrant to search your car. And in the case of Probable cause, that is completely up to the officers discretion. If you are "out of place", then he has an obligation to "investigate".

For example, i believe Jakerz used an example that he got pulled over while he was in the car with a black guy...Well thats not a reason to pull him over on its own, but lets say they were driving around Denver Harbor at 2 in the morning...Both men are completely innocent, he is just giving a friend from work a ride home. Well Denver Harbor park is a hot spot for crack deals, and its incredibly unusual for a White man to be driving around a black man in 5th ward at peak drug dealing hours. The officer then has probable cause to pull you over on suspicion of drug activity...It isn't crime to drive down on Market and Henke, but it is probable cause to pull you over and search your car.

[CoveMom]

Cove Mom, I don't know how to do the double quote thing.

* If the police officer can't find probable cause from an outside observation, he needs someone to give him legal permission to search the vehicle. I don't see the contradiction in this statement.

If he searches anyway, the search can be ruled illegal by a judge and anything found ruled inadmissible.


I get it now. I think however, it is being alleged that in this case, there was nothing to warrant that search and the cop was wrong to ask to do it in the first place, not having seen anything to give probable cause. It is a double-wrapped problem. You are afraid to say no when asked, and you know damn well the cop could not have seen anything to give him cause to need to search in the first place, BECAUSE HE HAD TO ASK PERMISSION!!!!!

I, for one, do not believe he should have the right to ask that question. Unreasonable searches and all that.

I get your point, do you get mine?

[HUM398]

I'm nowhere near the most intelligent here....not even close....but I do have life experiences that people can, and have learned from.....you might give learning a try.

Bird is greatness and he knows how I feel about him....he can talk for himself....but as great as he is, he doesn't know or see everything.....I just try to help fill in his gaps....he'll be better for it. ;)

Bird is weak. I am Greatness...bwahahaha

[GoOwls]

the "I" in m y post was a first-person thought process through the scenario RedRage described.

Y'all are some guilty conscience mo-fo's that don't want the cops looking at anything. Like I've said before, unless they change the current laws of fee speech and what-not, I don't have a damn thing to hide. It's not a hindrance upon my liberty for them to listen to my boring-assed phones calls either.

Yep....Red....looks like slorch disagrees with me :rolleyes:....he doesn't have to respond to my posts to agree with me.

I'm not saying he agrees with the whole thing I've said....but we seem to agree on most points.

[GoOwls]

Bird is weak. I am Greatness...bwahahaha

HUM....you are indeed greatness also......:notworthy

[HebronHawk]

In the State of Texas, the officer doesn't need a warrant to search your car. And in the case of Probable cause, that is completely up to the officers discretion. If you are "out of place", then he has an obligation to "investigate".

For example, i believe Jakerz used an example that he got pulled over while he was in the car with a black guy...Well thats not a reason to pull him over on its own, but lets say they were driving around Denver Harbor at 2 in the morning...Both men are completely innocent, he is just giving a friend from work a ride home. Well Denver Harbor park is a hot spot for crack deals, and its incredibly unusual for a White man to be driving around a black man in 5th ward at peak drug dealing hours. The officer then has probable cause to pull you over on suspicion of drug activity...It isn't crime to drive down on Market and Henke, but it is probable cause to pull you over and search your car.

What you are referring to is the discretion given by certain local judges as to what constitutes "probable cause". Again, serving on a grand jury, you get some idea of the latitude that a jurisdiction can grant.

The county district attorney and the local state district judges call the shots on this for the cops.

[HebronHawk]

I get it now. I think however, it is being alleged that in this case, there was nothing to warrant that search and the cop was wrong to ask to do it in the first place, not having seen anything to give probable cause. It is a double-wrapped problem. You are afraid to say no when asked, and you know damn well the cop could not have seen anything to give him cause to need to search in the first place, BECAUSE HE HAD TO ASK PERMISSION!!!!!

I, for one, do not believe he should have the right to ask that question. Unreasonable searches and all that.

I get your point, do you get mine?

Absolutely, I do!! You always need to say "no" and let the chips fall where they may.

The cops may still search and lie about what you said but it's the only reasonable response.

Slorch gave voluntary permission earlier when he was explaining his stop.

My greatest fear would be that I granted permission and a bad cop decided to plant evidence in the vehicle..

[slorch]

I am disappointed that some folks on here talk about their outright hate for law enforcement.
That is extremely scary, IMO. It also might explain why the cops act so"unusually" around these individuals.:rolleyes:

As for Hook'em and his bro, I am glad y'all made it home safely. While the search was definitely an inconvenience, it does not appear that it was illegal. Not everything in life is perfect, but then again it could have been cops in Mexico, and y'all could be dead now. All things considered, you're no worse for the wear, and able to go do whatever you want again this evening if you so choose.

[GoOwls]

I am disappointed that some folks on here talk about their outright hate for law enforcement.
That is extremely scary, IMO. It also might explain why the cops act so"unusually" around these individuals.:rolleyes:

As for Hook'em and his bro, I am glad y'all made it home safely. While the search was definitely an inconvenience, it does not appear that it was illegal. Not everything in life is perfect, but then again it could have been cops in Mexico, and y'all could be dead now. All things considered, you're no worse for the wear, and able to go do whatever you want again this evening if you so choose.

It's like that old saying about people hate cops until they need them......

If you find hypocricy on this board, you'll likely find it in their lives too....and see it manifest here again....and again.

[HUM398]

I am disappointed that some folks on here talk about their outright hate for law enforcement.
That is extremely scary, IMO. It also might explain why the cops act so"unusually" around these individuals.:rolleyes:

As for Hook'em and his bro, I am glad y'all made it home safely. While the search was definitely an inconvenience, it does not appear that it was illegal. Not everything in life is perfect, but then again it could have been cops in Mexico, and y'all could be dead now. All things considered, you're no worse for the wear, and able to go do whatever you want again this evening if you so choose.

A lack of understanding.

We must not assume that ALL officers are evil... and we must not ASSUME that all officers are great guys either.

basically...life is unfair, and unjust things happen. But a blanket hatred for a group of men that serve and protect the community is unreasonably illogical. While you accuse them of stereo-typing and profiling, you do the same when judging a group of men based on the actions of individuals.

[mad_fan]

I get it now. I think however, it is being alleged that in this case, there was nothing to warrant that search and the cop was wrong to ask to do it in the first place, not having seen anything to give probable cause. It is a double-wrapped problem. You are afraid to say no when asked, and you know damn well the cop could not have seen anything to give him cause to need to search in the first place, BECAUSE HE HAD TO ASK PERMISSION!!!!!

I, for one, do not believe he should have the right to ask that question. Unreasonable searches and all that.

I get your point, do you get mine?

I've yet to meet a cop that couldn't whip out some probable cause when he needed some...they ask permission...know they are going to search your car either way...because at that point you've done something to get your car searched...

[mad_fan]

* If the police officer can't find probable cause...

he's not very good at his job...

[RedRage00]

I am disappointed that some folks on here talk about their outright hate for law enforcement.
That is extremely scary, IMO. It also might explain why the cops act so"unusually" around these individuals.:rolleyes:

As for Hook'em and his bro, I am glad y'all made it home safely. While the search was definitely an inconvenience, it does not appear that it was illegal. Not everything in life is perfect, but then again it could have been cops in Mexico, and y'all could be dead now. All things considered, you're no worse for the wear, and able to go do whatever you want again this evening if you so choose.

I have never had cops mess with me....but like I said before...I used to listen to their stories constantly when I worked for a City in the Metroplex so I know how they are. While I was there I had them on my side so I had nothing to worry about ;)

[TXFOOSBALL]

I'm all late in this thread but anyway.....DUDE, YOU ARE A ONE TRACK MIND! When your own conservative friends on here think you are whack then you must really be whack....what is that saying....duck?;) They don't even wanna claim you. I notice how Slorch ignored your post on this thread lol

Anyway, I remember you crying because some test said you were an extremist.....It's true! ;)

Is there ever a post where GoOwls does not mention a farm animal?

[slorch]

Is there ever a post where GoOwls does not mention a farm animal?

That's how he pays homage to the Aggies...:D

[CoveMom]

That's how he pays homage to the Aggies...:D

Silent "h" or audible "h" ???

I'm wondering how others say this word. I am partial to the snobbish "oh-MAHJ" pronounciation. WhaT say ya'll?

[slorch]

I was imagining Thurston Howell saying it like you described...:D

[CoveMom]

I was imagining Thurston Howell (the) III saying it like you described...:D

Get it right, slorch.


:D

[drgnbkr]

Is there ever a post where GoOwls does not mention a farm animal?

Thats baaaaaaad!:D

[Firebird]

the "I" in m y post was a first-person thought process through the scenario RedRage described.

Y'all are some guilty conscience mo-fo's that don't want the cops looking at anything. Like I've said before, unless they change the current laws of fee speech and what-not, I don't have a damn thing to hide. It's not a hindrance upon my liberty for them to listen to my boring-assed phones calls either.

I don't hate cops. I don't like it when they abuse their authority. Cops are regular people, and regular people screw up and abuse their position every day. Cops aren't more special or trustworthy than your average joe, but they do have a lot more power than your average joe to abuse.

As far as you not minding if the cops search you or listen to your phone calls-- that is fine for YOU. It's not fine for the rest of us. I get sick and tired of hearing that I should willingly let the government nose around in my life. I'd consider grossly rude and a violation of my rights if some guy off the street that I didn't know tapped my phone or nosed around my car. I guarantee you that you'd get angry if you found out I was listening to your phone calls. Why should I feel better about it just because the guy on the other end gets a paycheck from the taxpayer? That's garbage.

[GoOwls]

Is there ever a post where GoOwls does not mention a farm animal?


I was raised on a farm....big surprise I'd relate countryisms in my written word.

If you didn't know I was raised on a farm....read more often...you'll learn something.

Geesh...you people take the cake....a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.....doesn't that beat a wooden hen a' peckin'....heck, I'm happier than a pig in slop.......why did the chicken cross the street...to get away from TXFOOSBALL....I'm happier than a bug in a rug......etc., etc., etc. :D

[slorch]

I guarantee you that you'd get angry if you found out I was listening to your phone calls.

No i wouldn't. I don't care. i have nothing to hide. If someone wants to listen to me ask the wife which kind of butter she needs for a recipe on my way home, then fine.

I care about people taking advantage of our freedoms and liberty in our country so that they may strike against us.

My biggest concern right now is how many people act like 9-11 never happened( or will never happen again.) How many lives does it cost for us to wake up as a nation and focus on what is threatening our very way of life? Someone listening to my phone call checking to see if I say diesel fuel and anhydrous ammonia in the same sentence is infinitely better than my wife or kids getting killed one day at the mall because some idiotic loser blows himself up.

we need to grow a sack as a nation and stop chasing pissants before we get trampled by the elephants.

That's all I have to say.:mad:

[chhspantherfan]

No i wouldn't. I don't care. i have nothing to hide. If someone wants to listen to me ask the wife which kind of butter she needs for a recipe on my way home, then fine.

I care about people taking advantage of our freedoms and liberty in our country so that they may strike against us.

My biggest concern right now is how many people act like 9-11 never happened( or will never happen again.) How many lives does it cost for us to wake up as a nation and focus on what is threatening our very way of life? Someone listening to my phone call checking to see if I say diesel fuel and anhydrous ammonia in the same sentence is infinitely better than my wife or kids getting killed one day at the mall because some idiotic loser blows himself up.

we need to grow a sack as a nation and stop chasing pissants before we get trampled by the elephants.

That's all I have to say.:mad:


There goes your credibility

[TXFOOSBALL]

I was raised on a farm....big surprise I'd relate countryisms in my written word.

If you didn't know I was raised on a farm....read more often...you'll learn something.

Geesh...you people take the cake....a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.....doesn't that beat a wooden hen a' peckin'....heck, I'm happier than a pig in slop.......why did the chicken cross the street...to get away from TXFOOSBALL....I'm happier than a bug in a rug......etc., etc., etc. :D

Haha...that explains everything.:D

[RedRage00]

Haha...that explains everything.:D

Yeah, it really does.

[KT2000]

No i wouldn't. I don't care. i have nothing to hide. If someone wants to listen to me ask the wife which kind of butter she needs for a recipe on my way home, then fine.

I care about people taking advantage of our freedoms and liberty in our country so that they may strike against us.

My biggest concern right now is how many people act like 9-11 never happened( or will never happen again.) How many lives does it cost for us to wake up as a nation and focus on what is threatening our very way of life? Someone listening to my phone call checking to see if I say diesel fuel and anhydrous ammonia in the same sentence is infinitely better than my wife or kids getting killed one day at the mall because some idiotic loser blows himself up.

we need to grow a sack as a nation and stop chasing pissants before we get trampled by the elephants.

That's all I have to say.:mad:


"He who would give up liberty to gain security will lose both and deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

[slorch]

"He who would give up liberty to gain security will lose both and deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

what liberty am I giving up?( credibility is shot, but oh well-CH Panther:D)

[KT2000]

what liberty am I giving up?( credibility is shot, but oh well-CH Panther:D)

In this case, the simple liberty of being able to speak to your wife privately.

[KT2000]

we need to grow a sack as a nation and stop chasing pissants before we get trampled by the elephants.

Sometimes, it is the "pissants" that do the trampling.

[mad_fan]

Sometimes, it is the "pissants" that do the trampling.

and there is more than one way to skin an elephant...

[slorch]

Sometimes, it is the "pissants" that do the trampling.

right now, I get the feeling we're not stopping anyone for fear of offending someone...:rolleyes:

[mad_fan]

"He who would give up liberty to gain security will lose both and deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

The scary thing is those who want to give up MY liberty for THEIR security...

[slorch]

In this case, the simple liberty of being able to speak to your wife privately.


i disagree. Nothing has been given up, unless they change the law concerning free speech.

I give up let's just let the :Censor::Censor:ers take over everything so we won't freaking offend someone?

i guess you'll be there to make it alright...:rolleyes:

[slorch]

The scary thing is those who want to give up MY liberty for THEIR security...

what liberty is lost? and yes, KT, I disagree that anything is lost until you start getting persecuted for otherwise innocuous speech by simply observing people.

Why do I have to show an ID to get on an Airplane? That's a :Censor:ing invasion of my privacy. I have a ticket(phone) I should be able to ride( talk.)

[mad_fan]

what liberty is lost? and yes, KT, I disagree that anything is lost until you start getting persecuted for otherwise innocuous speech by simply observing people.

Why do I have to show an ID to get on an Airplane? That's a :Censor:ing invasion of my privacy. I have a ticket(phone) I should be able to ride( talk.)


My communications are (were) protected...personal and business...
I'll have to look into The Right to Travel via Mass Transit...

[mad_fan]

i disagree. Nothing has been given up, unless they change the law concerning free speech.

I give up let's just let the :Censor::Censor:ers take over everything so we won't freaking offend someone?

i guess you'll be there to make it alright...:rolleyes:

He'll banned them...:rolleyes:

[slorch]

He'll banned them...:rolleyes:

did the cats write that message?

2nd person future past tense

[mad_fan]

did the cats write that message?

2nd person future past tense

So much for 'the armistice'...;)

[KT2000]

i disagree. Nothing has been given up, unless they change the law concerning free speech.

Would you not be giving up that very right by allowing government to eavesdrop on your conversations?

In my opinion, it is not free speech if Homeland Security is in on the call.

[mad_fan]

did the cats write that message?

2nd person future past tense

I'm yet another example of how much America sucks...It's been that way a longggggggg time...

[KT2000]

The scary thing is those who want to give up MY liberty for THEIR security...

That is scary, but far scarier (in my opinion) when the individual him/herself would willingly give up such liberty.