Do any Texas dynasties compare with Massillon?

[StateSpeech97]

Did anybody see that TitleTown thing on ESPN yesterday? Massilon, OH is the mecca of college football in the US. 22 State Championships, 77% winning percentage out of 1046 games played, 23 NFL players, 3 NFL coaches, 14 collegiate All-Americans....talk about a prestigous dynasty.

[ImATaQUitO]

I am a Texas product and will always believe in my heart that Texas HS Football is the best, but they play a pretty good brand of football here in Mississippi. South Panola HS in Batesville has a very impressive run going, even when you consider Mississippi is a much smaller state than Texas, California or Florida. They have a 75 game win streak and have won the 6-A State Title 5 years in a row. They have had some close games, but always manage to win. I can easily see them stretching their win streak to 90 this year. I would like to see someone else break through this year, but South Panola has some awesome athletes.

I notice that top Texas teams are at 1, 10 and 24 on this list (Trinity, Plano, SLC). South Panola is 11 on this list.

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Content/Article.mxp/ArticleID-9f3ef170-4601-46fa-ae01-9d1464450358

It's hard to compare state to state, but 75 in a row is pretty impressive anywhere.

[TrojanHorse03]

Did anybody see that TitleTown thing on ESPN yesterday? Massilon, OH is the mecca of college football in the US. 22 State Championships, 77% winning percentage out of 1046 games played, 23 NFL players, 3 NFL coaches, 14 collegiate All-Americans....talk about a prestigous dynasty.

Just out of curiousity how many of those are poll titles?

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

All I can say is that they don't play football in Texas. The quality of football in Texas speaks for itself.

[cajun]

I am a Texas product and will always believe in my heart that Texas HS Football is the best, but they play a pretty good brand of football here in Mississippi. South Panola HS in Batesville has a very impressive run going, even when you consider Mississippi is a much smaller state than Texas, California or Florida. They have a 75 game win streak and have won the 6-A State Title 5 years in a row. They have had some close games, but always manage to win. I can easily see them stretching their win streak to 90 this year. I would like to see someone else break through this year, but South Panola has some awesome athletes.

I notice that top Texas teams are at 1, 10 and 24 on this list (Trinity, Plano, SLC). South Panola is 11 on this list.

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Content/Article.mxp/ArticleID-9f3ef170-4601-46fa-ae01-9d1464450358

It's hard to compare state to state, but 75 in a row is pretty impressive anywhere.

I agree...South Panola reminds me alot of Bastrop over here....They got Bastrop #7 in this poll.....South Panola always seems to have a ton of talent like Bastrop..

So far Bastrop has had a kid commit to LSU, one just committed to Michigan and of course alot of people waiting to see where Rueben Randle ***** ends up-hopefully here....Bastrop got 3 other kids who will play D-1 ball also...Suppose to have a heck of a junior class as well, I dunno...

Anyways, isn't South Panola suppose to play a 6A school from Florida this year on ESPN?....Think I heard that....That game if it happens will be huge for SP....

Good luck....

[cajun]

Just out of curiousity how many of those are poll titles?

All of them, I think...:eek:

[TheBigPeach]

As a Massillon Born (I was given one of the footballs at birth that you saw on the interview, Its around here somewhere) I have to say that Massillon locals deffinatly are more passionate than any fans I have encountered in Texas. There are 85+ year old women going to every game and still cheering on their Tigers! And I don't know of any other school playing their rivals every year since 1894. I agree there is nothing better than Texas High School Football, But Massillon is a very close 2nd place.

For More information on massillon, here is a site I frequent.
http://www.massillonproud.com/




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWRu-xmMJdU

[TheBigPeach]

Did anybody see that TitleTown thing on ESPN yesterday? Massilon, OH is the mecca of college football in the US. 22 State Championships, 77% winning percentage out of 1046 games played, 23 NFL players, 3 NFL coaches, 14 collegiate All-Americans....talk about a prestigous dynasty.

And one of the coaches being THE Paul Brown

[STJL41]

Did anybody see that TitleTown thing on ESPN yesterday? Massilon, OH is the mecca of college football in the US. 22 State Championships, 77% winning percentage out of 1046 games played, 23 NFL players, 3 NFL coaches, 14 collegiate All-Americans....talk about a prestigous dynasty.

Is this a public or private school?

[Plano West Wolf]

Is this a public or private school?
Public, I believe.

[STJL41]

Public, I believe.

Ok, good. When a private school can dominate in a public school league I'm never impressed.

[PantherFan2002]

[QUOTE=TheBigPeach;827088]I have to say that Massillon locals deffinatly are more passionate than any fans I have encountered in Texas. There are 85+ year old women going to every game and still cheering on their Tigers! QUOTE]

Im not trying to take anything away from Massillon but my 85 yr old Grandmother makes as many games as she is able (fell and hurt her hip 2 yrs ago so she cant make everyone anymore). My family has had season tickets for over 20 years. East texas is extremely passionate about its high school football.

[toonman]

I think what sets Texas apart from Ohio for example, is the huge number of high schools playing football. Not only the huge number of schools playing, but the quality of the programs. In a small competition base it is easy to have one dominant team. But in Texas 5A there are over 200 schools and we know of the many powerhouses who are in contention year after year.

Southlake Carroll is as close to a dominant team Texas has seen. But if you look over recent years; Katy, Judson, Plano, Permian, Lufkin, North Shore, Westfield, Trinity, etc have emerged as dominant programs. (I apologize for any omissions from this list), who within a small competitor base would be a single dominant team.

[SLC13]

All of them, I think...:eek:Having spent 20 yrs ('73-'93) in NE Ohio, I'm pretty familiar with Massillon football and believe you are correct. They have not won a state title via playoff. Massillon's last state title was in the 1970's via poll.

[jesse]

Public, I believe.


Public school but accepts transfers quite liberally. Stark county is an open enrollment zone.

[supercentex]

Doesn't Temple High School in Texas have the most wins in Texas? I think they are like 2nd or 3rd in the nation?

[TheBigPeach]

Having spent 20 yrs ('73-'93) in NE Ohio, I'm pretty familiar with Massillon football and believe you are correct. They have not won a state title via playoff. Massillon's last state title was in the 1970's via poll.

The last state championship apperance was in 05 against St.Xavier, unfortunatly this is when St.Xavier established themselves as a powerhouse.

You are correct, the last championship was quite a while ago

[drgnbkr]

This is really interesting, but Ohio in size is kind of like East Texas, which while loaded with talented progams, leaves out the other 3/4 of Texas....So Massilon has a great tradition for Ohio, but would be pretty diluted here in Texas, California or Florida...IMO

[Canes0177]

Anyways, isn't South Panola suppose to play a 6A school from Florida this year on ESPN?....Think I heard that....That game if it happens will be huge for SP....

Good luck....

Apopka.

I haven't heard about ESPN though.

[jesse]

Apopka.

I haven't heard about ESPN though.


The Blue Darters will test S. Panola's streak. Should be a good game.

[slorch]

I have to say that Massillon locals deffinatly are more passionate than any fans I have encountered in Texas. http://www.massillonproud.com/




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWRu-xmMJdU


That'll win you support on this board.:rolleyes:

I'm sure Massillon fans are great, but how many of their competitiors equal their passion and support? We have great programs all over the state that rival massillon with their passion and fandom. How far does massillon have to travel in that tiny state? We have programs that consistently bring 4-5k fans on road games that are 100+ miles away. I don't think you want to start this discussion like that, or you had better grab a helmet.

[TheBigPeach]

That'll win you support on this board.:rolleyes:

I'm sure Massillon fans are great, but how many of their competitiors equal their passion and support? We have great programs all over the state that rival massillon with their passion and fandom. How far does massillon have to travel in that tiny state? We have programs that consistently bring 4-5k fans on road games that are 100+ miles away. I don't think you want to start this discussion like that, or you had better grab a helmet.

I really can't explain it, its just something you have to experiance. And Massillon travels really well, probably the best I have seen in the state. If they were in Texas they would probably be ranked up there with Permian in the fan following and tradition

[slorch]

I just went to the Massillon website. 75-32 in the past 9 years.

34-23 in the last 5.:eek:

This is your dynasty, Ohio?

[Canes0177]

I just went to the Massillon website. 75-32 in the past 9 years.

34-23 in the last 5.:eek:

This is your dynasty, Ohio?

No. WAS their dynasty. About 30 years ago.

[Wrecking Crew 12]

Top HS Football States:

1. Texas








2. Cali



3. Florida
4. Ohio
5. Alabama(not sure about this one)

E'nuff said

[SLC13]

The last state championship apperance was in 05 against St.Xavier, unfortunatly this is when St.Xavier established themselves as a powerhouse.

You are correct, the last championship was quite a while ago

I did see on their web site that they made it to the 5th round in '05 before losing, but couldn't tell if that was the finals or semi's.

Massillon had an unquestioned string of success in the period of the 30's to the early '70's, however, once Ohio started having playoffs, Massillon has not been able to repeat their earlier successes. They have been overshadowed by the private parochial schools like, St. X, Moeller, Elder & St. Ed's etc. who for the most part have dominated Ohio HS football. Occasionally a public school will break through, but usually they will fade back in the pack in a few years.

I have made the point on this board several times that you just need to look at Ohio if you want to see what will happen when you allow widespread public and private school competition in the playoffs. Massillon is a great example of how public schools even with the best traditions and fan/parent support fall short trying to compete with schools that have no restrictions on where they can draw kids from.

[Hitman49]

Correct me if I am wrong about this. Tulsa Union took Massillon behind the wood shed last year in the Herbie Classic 30 something to zip!!

[steeler 01]

Correct me if I am wrong about this. Tulsa Union took Massillon behind the wood shed last year in the Herbie Classic 30 something to zip!!

That would be Mckinley.

[ImATaQUitO]

Hmmm, saw this on Wikianswers, so take it for what it's worth. I thought it was interesting, though.

"California, Texas, and Florida far and away produce the most NFL football players. California is always between 180 and 205 players in the NFL. Texas and Florida are both usually between 165 and 185. the next closest state to these three is normally somwhere around 80 players. A freakish statistic however, is that Florida has less than half the number of high school football players as California and approx. half the number of players as Texas. Per capita, Florida produces twice as many NFL players than even the next closest state."

Do you think it's true that Florida produces TWICE AS MANY! NFL players per capita than the next closest state?

[mojotrain]

Did anybody see that TitleTown thing on ESPN yesterday? Massilon, OH is the mecca of college football in the US. 22 State Championships, 77% winning percentage out of 1046 games played, 23 NFL players, 3 NFL coaches, 14 collegiate All-Americans....talk about a prestigous dynasty.

More beef tacos are made in Mexico City than any city in the world, but the best ones are made at Jorges in Odessa, Texas.

[mojotrain]

Did anybody see that TitleTown thing on ESPN yesterday? Massilon, OH is the mecca of college football in the US. 22 State Championships, 77% winning percentage out of 1046 games played, 23 NFL players, 3 NFL coaches, 14 collegiate All-Americans....talk about a prestigous dynasty.

I once thought I had seen two high school teams play football until I saw two Texas high school football teams play football.:)

[mojotrain]

Did anybody see that TitleTown thing on ESPN yesterday? Massilon, OH is the mecca of college football in the US. 22 State Championships, 77% winning percentage out of 1046 games played, 23 NFL players, 3 NFL coaches, 14 collegiate All-Americans....talk about a prestigous dynasty.

Do they legally recruit? It's against UIL rules in Texas.

[mojotrain]

Is this a public or private school?

It's private and I think it might have been or may be, a all boys school:eek: Maybe not.

[mojotrain]

As a Massillon Born (I was given one of the footballs at birth that you saw on the interview, Its around here somewhere) I have to say that Massillon locals deffinatly are more passionate than any fans I have encountered in Texas. There are 85+ year old women going to every game and still cheering on their Tigers! And I don't know of any other school playing their rivals every year since 1894. I agree there is nothing better than Texas High School Football, But Massillon is a very close 2nd place.

For More information on massillon, here is a site I frequent.
http://www.massillonproud.com/




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWRu-xmMJdU

No fat hog to cut. I'm 70 and my dad is 93.

[mojotrain]

The Blue Darters will test S. Panola's streak. Should be a good game.

What is a Blue Darter?

[mojotrain]

Hmmm, saw this on Wikianswers, so take it for what it's worth. I thought it was interesting, though.

"California, Texas, and Florida far and away produce the most NFL football players. California is always between 180 and 205 players in the NFL. Texas and Florida are both usually between 165 and 185. the next closest state to these three is normally somwhere around 80 players. A freakish statistic however, is that Florida has less than half the number of high school football players as California and approx. half the number of players as Texas. Per capita, Florida produces twice as many NFL players than even the next closest state."

Do you think it's true that Florida produces TWICE AS MANY! NFL players per capita than the next closest state?

I don't think about it. High School State Championships are highschool. Permian one of the "used to be" power houses in Texas rarely put kids into D-1 Universitys much less on NFL teams.

[Canes0177]

I have made the point on this board several times that you just need to look at Ohio if you want to see what will happen when you allow widespread public and private school competition in the playoffs. Massillon is a great example of how public schools even with the best traditions and fan/parent support fall short trying to compete with schools that have no restrictions on where they can draw kids from.

We have publics vs. privates in Florida and there seems to be no problem.

Massillon doesn't win championships anymore because they just aren't that good.

There aren't any private school powers in their region. All of the private schools are in regions 1 and 4.

[caesarscott]

a better question than the thread starter's question is whether anything in Ohio can matchup with Texas? btw, the answer to that one is no.

[cajun]

Apopka.

I haven't heard about ESPN though.

From my travels....Might happen-be a good one to see...

This who they play this year:
Apopka (Fla.) and South Panola (Batesville, Miss.) on Sept. 19 at South Panola. Apopka finished 12-2 last season and made it to the state 6A semifinals, losing 21-18 to Boone (Orlando). The Blue Darters have eight offensive and seven defensive starters returning. South Panola has won 75 games in a row and five consecutive state 5A titles. ESPN spokesman Tilea Coleman said the game is one the network is considering for its high school football schedule, possibly on ESPN2.

[steeler 01]

Hmmm, saw this on Wikianswers, so take it for what it's worth. I thought it was interesting, though.

"California, Texas, and Florida far and away produce the most NFL football players. California is always between 180 and 205 players in the NFL. Texas and Florida are both usually between 165 and 185. the next closest state to these three is normally somwhere around 80 players. A freakish statistic however, is that Florida has less than half the number of high school football players as California and approx. half the number of players as Texas. Per capita, Florida produces twice as many NFL players than even the next closest state."

Do you think it's true that Florida produces TWICE AS MANY! NFL players per capita than the next closest state?

No, this was done 6 years ago and hasn't changed much.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=259347

[pied]

No, this was done 6 years ago and hasn't changed much.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=259347

And was written by a horn fan.

If you like that, you should see his game previews/reviews.

[SLC13]

We have publics vs. privates in Florida and there seems to be no problem.

Massillon doesn't win championships anymore because they just aren't that good. Agree!!

There aren't any private school powers in their region. All of the private schools are in regions 1 and 4.

Canes......I don't know much about the private schools in FL, but, I am curious, how many private schools play in FL highest classifications?? Is it like Ohio where there are a large number that compete in the highest classification and get lots of statewide publicity.

Regarding Massillon......You are correct that the big private schools are mostly around Cleveland and Cincinnati, however, over the last 30+ years when Massillon has made a PO run it was almost always a big priviate school that knocked them out. Bottomline, Massillon has not won a state championship since they started PO's in Ohio in the mid 70's. During those same years it has been mostly the big private schools that have hoisted state championship trophies in Ohio's highest classification. It makes you wonder how many more championships Massillon might have won had they been competing against only public schools.

[da hawaiian]

No, this was done 6 years ago and hasn't changed much.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=259347

Wow

Actually MS and LA have the highest NFL player per pop ratio by quite a large margin