Smithson Valley

[singularity]

Ok. I've been watching SV this year, and they have been cruising under the radar for some time now. Still playing there style of football and getting Ws. They are in a comfortable position now in the rankings. If you look back, history tells you that if you judge SV on there regular season ranking, you are going to be in for a shock. I want to know what everyone thinks about the playoff span for SV this year. Which round do they make it to and why or why not?

[badger95]

Semis because it's Region IV, and they outclass their competition just like Westlake did for 15 years.

[RedRage00]

Possible Semi finals....if so, they'll lose in Semifinals

RR

[bullrock]

I think the Buffs might have something to say about that. I'm betting the quarter finals. Let SC have a shot at SLC. Wouldn't that be a hoot. Maybe if they could beat SLC in their only try the SV posters would be catchin' hell.

[TxLawDawg]

I swear I just don't understand you Clemens fans. You absolutely can't stand it if people aren't talking about your team. The question on this thread is about SV and how far people think they'll go, but you have to try to hijack the thread by saying that SC should get to play for the state championship, as if we all get to take a vote on who it should be. Why can't you just say, "I don't think SV will get past Area because SC will beat them."?

You also mention that the SV posters would catch hell if SC could beat SLC on their first try. That seems like a pretty dumb argument to me even if it happened. SV has made it to the finals 3 times in the past few years, and gave SLC arguably the toughest game all year last year. Clemens certainly wasn't good enough those years to get to the Finals to play SLC. If SC beat SLC this year, it wouldn't mean anything about SV's failure to beat them previously.

You SC boys sure make an awful lot of noise about being ranked so high this year. It will certainly be interesting to see how things play out for ya'll in the playoffs. Do you notice that you don't hear so much talk from programs such as Katy, SLC, Lufkin, SV etc who are in the race every year?

[JC73]

All the same stuff was said about SV last year and all the other years they made it to the finals. No big deal. They are right where they want to be.

[singularity]

All the same stuff was said about SV last year and all the other years they made it to the finals. No big deal. They are right where they want to be.

They definitly are right were they want to be. Coach Hill can't stand publicity and hype. He remains cool and intelligent throughout the year and expects his players to do the same. When in the past has SV been ranked in the top 10 for the entire year? Never. How well did they play against the #1 team in the nation last year? If you don't remember correctly, on this site, SV at the end of regular season wasn't even in the top 25.

[clemensbuff]

I swear I just don't understand you Clemens fans. You absolutely can't stand it if people aren't talking about your team. The question on this thread is about SV and how far people think they'll go, but you have to try to hijack the thread by saying that SC should get to play for the state championship, as if we all get to take a vote on who it should be. Why can't you just say, "I don't think SV will get past Area because SC will beat them."?

You also mention that the SV posters would catch hell if SC could beat SLC on their first try. That seems like a pretty dumb argument to me even if it happened. SV has made it to the finals 3 times in the past few years, and gave SLC arguably the toughest game all year last year. Clemens certainly wasn't good enough those years to get to the Finals to play SLC. If SC beat SLC this year, it wouldn't mean anything about SV's failure to beat them previously.

You SC boys sure make an awful lot of noise about being ranked so high this year. It will certainly be interesting to see how things play out for ya'll in the playoffs. Do you notice that you don't hear so much talk from programs such as Katy, SLC, Lufkin, SV etc who are in the race every year?

What?? Don't hear so much talk from these fans?? What threads have you been reading??? LOL

[clemensbuff]

Ok. I've been watching SV this year, and they have been cruising under the radar for some time now. Still playing there style of football and getting Ws. They were "underrated" at the beginning of the season, but they are in a comfortable position now in the rankings. If you look back, history tells you that if you judge SV on there regular season ranking, you are going to be in for a shock. I want to know what everyone thinks about the playoff span for SV this year. Which round do they make it to and why or why not?

My memory is really starting to go because I thought that SV was in the top 5 in the state polls to start the season, maybe even the top 3???

[singularity]

As of right now, here are the possible opponents for each round:
1)San Marcos-They could possibly beat SV, but I don't see it happening

2)SA Clark or CC Carroll-Most likely Clark. Opponents are starting to look like last year. I think SV has this one too.

3)Laredo United, Mission Sheryland, Weslaco, Harlingen South-SV will pass no problem.

4)Madison or Clemens-Most likely Clemens, but if it is Madison, I think SV will take it. Clemens will be SVs 1st major test. If SV wins, it is because SC was out-coached.

5)Katy-If SV beats SC, Katy will be even tougher. I can't say on this one.

6)I personally see it being Lufkin

I see SV making it at least to round 4. History tells me they will make the finals.

[singularity]

My memory is really starting to go because I thought that SV was in the top 5 in the state polls to start the season, maybe even the top 3???

They were at #3, but they began to drop as the season went on. This is the highest they have been ranked consistently throughout a season, but dropping from 3 to where they are now made them seem overrated. I think they are underrated.

[singularity]

I'm sorry. Now that I look at it, I realize I worded it wrong. I fixed it.

[singularity]

What?? Don't hear so much talk from these fans?? What threads have you been reading??? LOL

SLC is constantly talked about because they are just that interesting. Lufkin, Katy, and SV don't have that much about them. Just look around. This is one of the first SV threads that is not about a game they recently played.

[TxLawDawg]

Clemensbuff, I did not intend to suggest that fans of Katy, SLC, Lufking and SV do not post on this Board. There are obviously several fans from each of those schools that post regularly. My intent by that statement was that the "talk" that comes from fans of those schools tends to have a bit more objectivity to it than most of the posts I've seen lately from SC fans. Perhaps it's because they're used to being one of the top teams in the State and they recognize that there are also other teams that are equally as capable of winning the title. I personally beleive that many of the Katy and SLC fans on this Board are some of the most well-educated and informed posters when it comes to HS football around the State. They do not limit themselves to posting only about their school or their rivals.

Again, I think SC has a very good team this year and has a good chance of advancing far into the playoffs. However, I've grown weary of seeing so many threads about 26-5A, their teams, or games within 26-5A turned into discussions about 25-5A by Clemens fans.

[clemensbuff]

They were at #3, but they began to drop as the season went on. This is the highest they have been ranked consistently throughout a season, but dropping from 3 to where they are now made them seem overrated. I think they are underrated.

Did SV drop in the rankings before loosing to Churchill? As far as being underrated, I'll agree. I say they are a top ten team in the state! And if and when SV and SC tangle it will be an all out war!

[singularity]

Did SV drop in the rankings before loosing to Churchill? As far as being underrated, I'll agree. I say they are a top ten team in the state! And if and when SV and SC tangle it will be an all out war!

I believe they might have dropped slightly, but the main dropcame after they lost to Churchill.

[GoRangers]

I've only personnaly seen one SV game this year. Both offense and defense have been sporadic this year. I haven't been impressed with Brian Hill at QB. He's thrown a few picks, and I haven't seen him exude a lot of leadership/confidence. I don't know of one game where SV played a complete game (Lee doesn't count). That said, last year's team was kind of the same way, especially offensively. I think their success will still be predicated more on defense and special teams, like last year.

As far as ranking: SV deserves to be where they are. Look at the Churchill loss in perspective. Churchill isn't even going to make the playoffs. Granted, 26-5A is a war in and of itself.

Playoff-wise: I think they will get another shot at Clemens in the quarters. SV has never lost to SM. Hill does a good job teaching scheme and run discipline (prior SM and Clear lake bone). With respect to the SC matchup, SC has the series edge 3-1 (counting 4A). Two years ago, SV turned the ball over going in for the dagger score w/ 5 minutes to go. This rematch would be well worth the wait.

[PurpleNation]

One team is why I picked them to go to the Semifinals and get beat. Katy will stand in there way of another State Title apperance. Maybe even Clemens.

[LeanderLions3033]

SLC is constantly talked about because they are just that interesting. Lufkin, Katy, and SV don't have that much about them. Just look around. This is one of the first SV threads that is not about a game they recently played.

I still understand where you are coming from with the whole hijacking threads thing but trust me, their are PLENTY of threads about SLC, Lufkin, Katy, and SV. Like when you named those four i was thinking to myself "those are probably the 4 teams that have the most threads". Just my opinion.

[Red Raiders]

Sorry 5A Texas Football Fans, I don't have any comments but one... They will go to Semifinals.

[zippy]

They continue to win after the first drop, but continue to drop in the rankings. I dont mind, you have to make room for the other teams that have not lost, but do not play the same class teams that SV does week in and week out.

Did SV drop in the rankings before loosing to Churchill? As far as being underrated, I'll agree. I say they are a top ten team in the state! And if and when SV and SC tangle it will be an all out war!

[BuffFan2005]

Clemens fans love their football. Clemens has never won a state championship and we`re very anxious to get one of our own(Next yr clemens drops to 4A). We just love our football and we are in the SAN ANTONIO area so ofcourse we compare ourselves to our neighbors in the 26-5A. TX LAW we are sorry that everyone doesnt know all the Texas football teams like you supposedly! I see the games in the San Antonio area thats it. I am not going to put my opinion in these other boards when I don`t know these teams. So us SC fans will continue to post our boards about our team and be proud of our team because who knows when we`ll be back here. This is a kids game and people like you just take it wayyyy to serious!

[seansvranger]

I've only personnaly seen one SV game this year. Both offense and defense have been sporadic this year. I haven't been impressed with Brian Hill at QB. He's thrown a few picks, and I haven't seen him exude a lot of leadership/confidence. I don't know of one game where SV played a complete game (Lee doesn't count). That said, last year's team was kind of the same way, especially offensively. I think their success will still be predicated more on defense and special teams, like last year.

As far as ranking: SV deserves to be where they are. Look at the Churchill loss in perspective. Churchill isn't even going to make the playoffs. Granted, 26-5A is a war in and of itself.

Playoff-wise: I think they will get another shot at Clemens in the quarters. SV has never lost to SM. Hill does a good job teaching scheme and run discipline (prior SM and Clear lake bone). With respect to the SC matchup, SC has the series edge 3-1 (counting 4A). Two years ago, SV turned the ball over going in for the dagger score w/ 5 minutes to go. This rematch would be well worth the wait.

the reason chuchill isnt making the playoffs cause their star qb got injured and who was a huge reason for beating sv

hopefully they go all the way

[Reaganrattler07]

I said second round....that'll probably be about the same time they play Clemens, right? I predict a close loss to Clemens there.

[clemensbuff]

Clemensbuff, I did not intend to suggest that fans of Katy, SLC, Lufking and SV do not post on this Board. There are obviously several fans from each of those schools that post regularly. My intent by that statement was that the "talk" that comes from fans of those schools tends to have a bit more objectivity to it than most of the posts I've seen lately from SC fans. Perhaps it's because they're used to being one of the top teams in the State and they recognize that there are also other teams that are equally as capable of winning the title. I personally beleive that many of the Katy and SLC fans on this Board are some of the most well-educated and informed posters when it comes to HS football around the State. They do not limit themselves to posting only about their school or their rivals.

Again, I think SC has a very good team this year and has a good chance of advancing far into the playoffs. However, I've grown weary of seeing so many threads about 26-5A, their teams, or games within 26-5A turned into discussions about 25-5A by Clemens fans.

I do agree with you about some of the Clemens fans posts here as of late. I beleive that quite of few of the posts that you are referring to are very young people and even a couple that are in school at Clemens and tend to be very near sighted! I try and look at every school's strengths and weaknesses when I post. Sometimes I to see posts from some of the other schools fans that are done in the same way as what you have described and have even been in pretty heated debates with a couple of the clowns. I agree that there are several schools that could go all the way this year and I'll go out on a limb and say SLC is at the top of that list followed by several others that have done it in the past and look primed to make a run at another one this year. I also know that it takes a great TEAM along with just a little luck on your side to get it done.

[clemensbuff]

I've only personnaly seen one SV game this year. Both offense and defense have been sporadic this year. I haven't been impressed with Brian Hill at QB. He's thrown a few picks, and I haven't seen him exude a lot of leadership/confidence. I don't know of one game where SV played a complete game (Lee doesn't count). That said, last year's team was kind of the same way, especially offensively. I think their success will still be predicated more on defense and special teams, like last year.

As far as ranking: SV deserves to be where they are. Look at the Churchill loss in perspective. Churchill isn't even going to make the playoffs. Granted, 26-5A is a war in and of itself.

Playoff-wise: I think they will get another shot at Clemens in the quarters. SV has never lost to SM. Hill does a good job teaching scheme and run discipline (prior SM and Clear lake bone). With respect to the SC matchup, SC has the series edge 3-1 (counting 4A). Two years ago, SV turned the ball over going in for the dagger score w/ 5 minutes to go. This rematch would be well worth the wait.

This is what makes SV that much more scary for other teams! If they have not played a complete game and are still 5-1 in 26-5a that is saying a whole lot about what they could be throughout the playoffs. To say that Hill does a good job teaching schemes is the understatement of the year IMO. Nobody does this better than him and his staff.

[Rerun]

I swear I just don't understand you Clemens fans. You absolutely can't stand it if people aren't talking about your team. The question on this thread is about SV and how far people think they'll go, but you have to try to hijack the thread by saying that SC should get to play for the state championship, as if we all get to take a vote on who it should be. Why can't you just say, "I don't think SV will get past Area because SC will beat them."?

You also mention that the SV posters would catch hell if SC could beat SLC on their first try. That seems like a pretty dumb argument to me even if it happened. SV has made it to the finals 3 times in the past few years, and gave SLC arguably the toughest game all year last year. Clemens certainly wasn't good enough those years to get to the Finals to play SLC. If SC beat SLC this year, it wouldn't mean anything about SV's failure to beat them previously.

You SC boys sure make an awful lot of noise about being ranked so high this year. It will certainly be interesting to see how things play out for ya'll in the playoffs. Do you notice that you don't hear so much talk from programs such as Katy, SLC, Lufkin, SV etc who are in the race every year?


bullrock is a huge judson fan.

think before you post again newbie

[TxLawDawg]

bullrock is a huge judson fan.

think before you post again newbie


Mr. Headliner:

(I want to make sure I show the proper respect since I am a "newbie") I do not even know who Bullrock is, and I can assure that I was not referring to him/her when I made my earlier post. Perhaps you should think before you assume you know what you're talking about.

[singularity]

I said second round....that'll probably be about the same time they play Clemens, right? I predict a close loss to Clemens there.

SV will see Clemens in the quarterfinals/area finals.

[singularity]

This is what makes SV that much more scary for other teams! If they have not played a complete game and are still 5-1 in 26-5a that is saying a whole lot about what they could be throughout the playoffs. To say that Hill does a good job teaching schemes is the understatement of the year IMO. Nobody does this better than him and his staff.

It is a great compliment to a coaching staff when they are getting praise from a rival. I have always wondered why Hill hasn't moved on. The only answer I hear is that he wants to be at SV until his kids are out. He is very capable of jumping up to the college level and being successful.

[Rerun]

Mr. Headliner:

(I want to make sure I show the proper respect since I am a "newbie") I do not even know who Bullrock is, and I can assure that I was not referring to him/her when I made my earlier post. Perhaps you should think before you assume you know what you're talking about.

Hmmm, perhaps I did assume wrong, however, the assumption was made because your original comment came right after bullrock made a statement about Clemens.

If I am wrong, which you have pointed me out to be, then I apologize and I will try my best not to assume.

[singularity]

I haven't been impressed with Brian Hill at QB. He's thrown a few picks, and I haven't seen him exude a lot of leadership/confidence.

I was at the Madison game. Brian kept throwing horrible passes at the beginning of the game. After one particular throw, Brian was trying to "explain" why it was blown. Coach Hill grabbed the ball out of his hands and threw it across the field. It was as if he was saying "Thats how you throw the football."
:D

[GoRangers]

I didn't realize SM has a bye-week this week. Some might argue rust from a layoff; but, I don't think it will affect SM. I still say SM will lose, because SM has never beaten SV. However, this game could really be a lot closer than folks think. SM will have more time for working on their passing game in practice, which has been their achilles heel vs SV in the past. That, and not being able to stop SV offense. This year, SV offense just doesn't look formiddable.

[singularity]

I definitly agree. It should be close. If San Marcos has anything over SV, Coach Hill will most likely have it fixed by the second half.

[GoRangers]

I definitly agree. It should be close. If San Marcos has anything over SV, Coach Hill will most likely have it fixed by the second half.

Neither SM nor SV are great comeback teams. Whoever gets up by 2+ scores first will likely win, regardless of the quarter.

[mad_fan]

Neither SM nor SV are great comeback teams. Whoever gets up by 2+ scores first will likely win, regardless of the quarter.

How do you know you will be playing SM?

[singularity]

Neither SM nor SV are great comeback teams. Whoever gets up by 2+ scores first will likely win, regardless of the quarter.

If you compare halves, SV will come out in the second with several major mistakes corrected. This is mainly due to the coaches. The rest is dependant on the players getting into it. Thats how SV played last year, and it is somewhat evident lately (mainly in the Madison game) this year.

[singularity]

How do you know you will be playing SM?

We all know it isnt set in stone, but it is very likely.

[GoRangers]

How do you know you will be playing SM?

Because they aren't Madison.

SV has never "limped" into the playoffs. That's not their style at all. They will take care of business.

[singularity]

Neither SM nor SV are great comeback teams. Whoever gets up by 2+ scores first will likely win, regardless of the quarter.

If you are talking 2+, you are probably right, but I don't think it will happen in this game.

[BuffFan2005]

I do agree with you about some of the Clemens fans posts here as of late. I beleive that quite of few of the posts that you are referring to are very young people and even a couple that are in school at Clemens and tend to be very near sighted! I try and look at every school's strengths and weaknesses when I post. Sometimes I to see posts from some of the other schools fans that are done in the same way as what you have described and have even been in pretty heated debates with a couple of the clowns. I agree that there are several schools that could go all the way this year and I'll go out on a limb and say SLC is at the top of that list followed by several others that have done it in the past and look primed to make a run at another one this year. I also know that it takes a great TEAM along with just a little luck on your side to get it done.

Clemensbuff I have been at it with TXLAW so am I a clown? I know clemens football and thats why Im posting on here I dont care too much for the other schools. Who cares about age? That is no factor on this forum.

[sendero]

I was at the Madison game. Brian kept throwing horrible passes at the beginning of the game. After one particular throw, Brian was trying to "explain" why it was blown. Coach Hill grabbed the ball out of his hands and threw it across the field. It was as if he was saying "Thats how you throw the football."
:D

He threw the ball across the field because it was Madison's football. The ball boys did not change the football out. It was the old broke in one full of air that Tony Green was trying to kick a field goal with.

Did you see me catch it on the Madison sideline then the Security Guards started chasing me? :D

[mad_fan]

Because they aren't Madison.

SV has never "limped" into the playoffs. That's not their style at all. They will take care of business.

Limping? Madison? I might have seen a guy or two limping after a SV game, but there were SV guys limping around too.

So anyway, I can take that as a SV is going to beat Roosevelt?

[singularity]

He threw the ball across the field because it was Madison's football. The ball boys did not change the football out. It was the old broke in one full of air that Tony Green was trying to kick a field goal with.

Did you see me catch it on the Madison sideline then the Security Guards started chasing me? :D
Gotcha...would have been funny though.

[GoRangers]

Limping? Madison? I might have seen a guy or two limping after a SV game, but there were SV guys limping around too.

So anyway, I can take that as a SV is going to beat Roosevelt?

You're a smart guy. I think you know what I meant. :p

[mad_fan]

You're a smart guy. I think you know what I meant. :p

thanks, I am a smart guy! Just with the 6 total posts you had, I wasnt sure you knew what you meant. :p

[clemensbuff]

Clemensbuff I have been at it with TXLAW so am I a clown? I know clemens football and thats why Im posting on here I dont care too much for the other schools. Who cares about age? That is no factor on this forum.

If the shoe fits, then wear it. If not, then don't. If you are posting garbage then it does, but if you are posting facts then it doesn't. I understand that you don't care about other schools and I really don't either, but I always (and hope you do to) try to show them respect until one of their fans (posters here) starts running their pie hole first. If that does happen then I'll go into attack mode with guns blazing but still try and stay with the facts.

Are a clown, I'll say no you especially if you graduated from Clemens and played ball there under our coaches! Stay proud of your school and make your school proud of you at the same time by what and how you state things here.

And by the way, if you want to go at it with TXLAW some more, feel free to get after it!

[singularity]

Here is a little something that I have been wondering. Did Coach Hill ever play football, or was he like a genius team manager or water boy? Also, is his brother as talented as him w/ a bad program, or is there just something special about SVs mastermind?

[GoRangers]

thanks, I am a smart guy! Just with the 6 total posts you had, I wasnt sure you knew what you meant. :p

Maybe I gave you too much credit. :D

I've been on the board since 2002. My login / post count got wiped out this year for some reason. No big deal to start over.

[clemensbuff]

Maybe I gave you too much credit. :D

I've been on the board since 2002. My login / post count got wiped out this year for some reason. No big deal to start over.

No big deal? How in the hell are you going to catch up to Lonny? LOL

[GoRangers]

No big deal? How in the hell are you going to catch up to Lonny? LOL

Shoot me if I do. :D

[zippy]

Well, he was throwing bad passes, but he did hit two very good ones. As for the ball thing, I guess you dont know Hill. He would never do that. He was upset with the ref, cause they had the wrong ball in the game. He was tossing it back to their sideline.


I was at the Madison game. Brian kept throwing horrible passes at the beginning of the game. After one particular throw, Brian was trying to "explain" why it was blown. Coach Hill grabbed the ball out of his hands and threw it across the field. It was as if he was saying "Thats how you throw the football."
:D

[zippy]

Larry played football in the San Antonio area, then he played QB at Sul Ross in Alpine. His brother is a very good coach, and has a ring as an assistant. Glenn does get more talent, but not as much disipline. They have beat SV bad before. The #1 reason Larry Hill has such a good program is not due to talent, its due to the way he is. He is president of THSCA, he is dedicated 100% to his job. When other coaches are watching TV, he is watching game film. Football comes #2, only below his family. It is his career, and his hobby so to speak. Not to mention he has a VERY good staff, and kids that listen to what they say, and go out a do it. No matter how slow, small, or non-talented they are. He is from a coaching family, and he is for sure the most dedicated. This is my theory anyway.


Here is a little something that I have been wondering. Did Coach Hill ever play football, or was he like a genius team manager or water boy? Also, is his brother as talented as him w/ a bad program, or is there just something special about SVs mastermind?

[singularity]

Larry played football in the San Antonio area, then he played QB at Sul Ross in Alpine. His brother is a very good coach, and has a ring as an assistant. Glenn does get more talent, but not as much disipline. They have beat SV bad before. The #1 reason Larry Hill has such a good program is not due to talent, its due to the way he is. He is president of THSCA, he is dedicated 100% to his job. When other coaches are watching TV, he is watching game film. Football comes #2, only below his family. It is his career, and his hobby so to speak. Not to mention he has a VERY good staff, and kids that listen to what they say, and go out a do it. No matter how slow, small, or non-talented they are. He is from a coaching family, and he is for sure the most dedicated. This is my theory anyway.

I knew about his dedication, and that he makes the most of the least, I just wasn't sure if he had played before or not. The reason why I made the comment about him possibly being a genius team manager is that he would have been coaching for much longer, which could explain why he is so damn good. I remember being on this board last year and joking about how at dinner he probably draws out plays and talks football with the family.

[mad_fan]

Maybe I gave you too much credit. :D

I've been on the board since 2002. My login / post count got wiped out this year for some reason. No big deal to start over.

No, you are very wise to recognize how smart I am! :D
Why the long delay in posting this season? We've needed more Ranger fans around here :p

[mad_fan]

Larry played football in the San Antonio area, then he played QB at Sul Ross in Alpine. His brother is a very good coach, and has a ring as an assistant. Glenn does get more talent, but not as much disipline. They have beat SV bad before. The #1 reason Larry Hill has such a good program is not due to talent, its due to the way he is. He is president of THSCA, he is dedicated 100% to his job. When other coaches are watching TV, he is watching game film. Football comes #2, only below his family. It is his career, and his hobby so to speak. Not to mention he has a VERY good staff, and kids that listen to what they say, and go out a do it. No matter how slow, small, or non-talented they are. He is from a coaching family, and he is for sure the most dedicated. This is my theory anyway.

Coaching makes a hugh difference regardless of the talent pool. Some coaches consistantly produce teams that play well when you look at the entire season, but that's all they ever produce, even in years they are loaded with talent. Hill is capable of producing champions.

Disclaimer: I was NOT referring to ANY coach in particular when I said 'some coaches'; I was referring to ONE coach in particular. :mad:

[sendero]

Larry played football in the San Antonio area, then he played QB at Sul Ross in Alpine. His brother is a very good coach, and has a ring as an assistant. Glenn does get more talent, but not as much disipline. They have beat SV bad before. The #1 reason Larry Hill has such a good program is not due to talent, its due to the way he is. He is president of THSCA, he is dedicated 100% to his job. When other coaches are watching TV, he is watching game film. Football comes #2, only below his family. It is his career, and his hobby so to speak. Not to mention he has a VERY good staff, and kids that listen to what they say, and go out a do it. No matter how slow, small, or non-talented they are. He is from a coaching family, and he is for sure the most dedicated. This is my theory anyway.

Another point I would add is that he has done a tremendous job of keeping his staff intact. The staff he has now has been together for a long time. Look at some of the other schools just in 26-5A that are changing personnel at the coordinator level. Stability builds consistency.

[SVite]

Neither SM nor SV are great comeback teams. Whoever gets up by 2+ scores first will likely win, regardless of the quarter.

P-ville was ahead ,and we came back with 3 unanswered td`s,p-ville scored very late in the 4th to make the score respectable.Madison last week went up,on us,but all the sudden our defense in the 2nd half shuts them down,and the scoreboard was at 31-14.If Sendejo would have kicked out of the end zone like he did the previously 4 times,the score would have stayed there.At least half thier fans walking out got to see them get to 21.Our defense can hold,and get turnovers,for the offense.
Lets dont forget B.Hill was a JV last year.Every game game,he`s gaining confidence.Lets dont forget SV`s tying touchdown against Madison,was a 30 yard TD pass on 3rd and 17.Forty yards out for a field goal if they dont convert.There passing game is opening up more the run.And,if Schrock is truely getting ready to be back soon,watch out.

[SVite]

[QUOTE=singularity]Here is a little something that I have been wondering. Did Coach Hill ever play football, or was he like a genius team manager or water boy? Also, is his brother as talented as him w/ a bad program, or is there just something special about SVs mastermind?

He was the water boy that was turned into a linebacker,and lead his team to the national Championship.maybe you saw the movie. ;)

[JC73]

I didn't realize SM has a bye-week this week. Some might argue rust from a layoff; but, I don't think it will affect SM. I still say SM will lose, because SM has never beaten SV. However, this game could really be a lot closer than folks think. SM will have more time for working on their passing game in practice, which has been their achilles heel vs SV in the past. That, and not being able to stop SV offense. This year, SV offense just doesn't look formiddable.

I believe that San Marcos had a bye week last year before they played SV. Hill, in my opinion, prepares his team better in one week than most coaches do in two. They have to take care of Roosevelt first and win a district championship before they even start thinking about the playoffs though.

[GoRangers]

Another point I would add is that he has done a tremendous job of keeping his staff intact. The staff he has now has been together for a long time. Look at some of the other schools just in 26-5A that are changing personnel at the coordinator level. Stability builds consistency.

This is a good point. Especially, when you look at the success of the football program in its entirety, from peewee all the way thru JV. They may not have superior talent, but these kids are well coached. Heck, their peewee team has 10 coaches, for goodness sake. The whole program is on board, top to bottom. That is indeed a rarity. So, Hill's has a solid foundation from the grassroots all the way up.

[singularity]

Another point I would add is that he has done a tremendous job of keeping his staff intact. The staff he has now has been together for a long time. Look at some of the other schools just in 26-5A that are changing personnel at the coordinator level. Stability builds consistency.
A funny thing about the staff. They are all completely as dedicated to SV football as Coach Hill. I had spanish with Coach Trevino (Coach T) and his class and mood were geared towards the performance of the football team. If SV wasn't playing well, the class was boring and hard, and he was angry. If SV was doing well, the class was fun, and we had cultural parties and things of that nature. Learning on friday? Forget about it. We were watching movies and he had all the football players at his desk talking strategy with him. In between lectures, he had a freshman quarterback over at the board showing him plays. It is like that with most of the coaches. Complete dedication.

[zippy]

That is a good point, I mean, would you leave that situation?


Another point I would add is that he has done a tremendous job of keeping his staff intact. The staff he has now has been together for a long time. Look at some of the other schools just in 26-5A that are changing personnel at the coordinator level. Stability builds consistency.

[singularity]

That is a good point, I mean, would you leave that situation?
Another reason why some of them don't leave--this was said to me first hand--is that they are all learning so much on how to be a great coach. Several of those guys will go on to be head coaches on there own.

[sendero]

Another reason why some of them don't leave--this was said to me first hand--is that they are all learning so much on how to be a great coach. Several of those guys will go on to be head coaches on there own.

I would expect someone from his staff will be the head coach at the new Canyon Lake High School.

[singularity]

I would expect someone from his staff will be the head coach at the new Canyon Lake High School.
I can see that. It saves one of them the hastle of searching for a position.

[singularity]

As of right now, 77.47% of you believe that SV will at least make the quarterfinals. I have heard reasons to back these predictions. What about the other rounds:1, 2, & 3. S M vs. SV has been discussed. For those of you who voted SV loses in round 2 or 3, explain your reasoning, because frankly I don't see it.

[Reaganrattler07]

As of right now, 77.47% of you believe that SV will at least make the quarterfinals. I have heard reasons to back these predictions. What about the other rounds:1, 2, & 3. S M vs. SV has been discussed. For those of you who voted SV loses in round 2 or 3, explain your reasoning, because frankly I don't see it.

I said round 2 because i think they'll meet Clemens there....

[zippy]

I think these are people that do not like SV too much. There is no reason behind this. As I see it, if they make it past the first game, they will make it past the next one, and the one after that before meeting a team that can knock them out. As of right now, if they make it past round 1, they would have to lose to SA Clark/CC Carroll (I dont think so), then they would face either Larado/Mission/ Weslaco/Harlingen (still dont see it). That gets them into round 4 already. Please, I would like to know the reasoning behind a loss to one of the mentioned teams as well. The next round they would face either Madison or Clemens in my opinion. Madison they have already beat, and Clemens I think is a toss up. If they did get past one of those, they will face most likely Katy. SV has beat Katy before, but I dont see it this year. That all depends on SV's playoff play, which does get better each week. They could beat Katy in this situation, but it would be very tough. Then I think they would see a very tough team at state, using my brain, I would say they dont even get there, and if they do, they lose. Using what I have seen SV do over the past 7-8 years, when my brain said they could not do it, I say they can win it all any given year. First order is to get past round one, otherwise this is all a waste.

As of right now, 77.47% of you believe that SV will at least make the quarterfinals. I have heard reasons to back these predictions. What about the other rounds:1, 2, & 3. S M vs. SV has been discussed. For those of you who voted SV loses in round 2 or 3, explain your reasoning, because frankly I don't see it.

[singularity]

I said round 2 because i think they'll meet Clemens there....
Why would they meet Clemens in round 2? It is either round 1 or round 4 depending on if they lose to Roosevelt. 4 if they win against Roosevelt and make it through the playoffs, or 1 if they lose and take the 2nd place district spot.

[Reaganrattler07]

Why would they meet Clemens in round 2? It is either round 1 or round 4 depending on if they lose to Roosevelt. 4 if they win against Roosevelt and make it through the playoffs, or 1 if they lose and take the 2nd place didtrict spot.

Oh ok then....whenever they meet Clemens is my answer then...

[zippy]

Redskin, I just hope you keep comming back and cheer for the other team each week, cause so far, each time you have done it, SV has won. Anyway, how is school going? And do you think Reagan will build off this year and take it into the future? They sure picked themselves up off the bottom of the pile this year, and Lee took their spot.

I said round 2 because i think they'll meet Clemens there....

[singularity]

Redskin, I just hope you keep comming back and cheer for the other team each week, cause so far, each time you have done it, SV has won. Anyway, how is school going? And do you think Reagan will build off this year and take it into the future? They sure picked themselves up off the bottom of the pile this year, and Lee took their spot.
Has Lee beat Reagan in the past 3 years?

[Reaganrattler07]

Has Lee beat Reagan in the past 3 years?

The one time Lee beat us was opening year....but last year, after the team gave up, we beat them by a field goal. And Reagan wasn't technically the "bottom of the pile" they were 6th....out of 8...bottom would be 7 and 8.

[zippy]

OK, top 1-3 middle 4-6, bottom 7-8? Will that work? Either way, they have never had a season like this have they? Even some very close games in the ones they lost.


The one time Lee beat us was opening year....but last year, after the team gave up, we beat them by a field goal. And Reagan wasn't technically the "bottom of the pile" they were 6th....out of 8...bottom would be 7 and 8.

[GoRangers]

Using what I have seen SV do over the past 7-8 years, when my brain said they could not do it, I say they can win it all any given year. First order is to get past round one, otherwise this is all a waste.

Part of SV's success has been matchups. They've typically faced fairly one-dimensional teams in the early rounds and have been able to control these teams. This year, as yet, the offense is just not strong enough to maintain ball control against the top-tier teams. (Note, however, this mimics 2004 squad). A more balanced attack will give the defense more trouble.

Katy is just incredibly strong and balanced; so, logic dictates them as the favorites in that matchup. Katy did shown kinks in their coaching armour, at least against Clear Lake last year. If SV wins, it'll be because of coaching and special teams.

[clemensbuff]

As of right now, 77.47% of you believe that SV will at least make the quarterfinals. I have heard reasons to back these predictions. What about the other rounds:1, 2, & 3. S M vs. SV has been discussed. For those of you who voted SV loses in round 2 or 3, explain your reasoning, because frankly I don't see it.

No joke! I was wondering what they were smoking when they selected those two rounds myself! I think that these people just want to see SV lose and really didn't look at who they would be facing in those two rounds!

I can tell you this much, I want to see SV lose too but only to a 25-5a school! If this does not happen I will support them all the way!

[clemensbuff]

I think these are people that do not like SV too much. There is no reason behind this. As I see it, if they make it past the first game, they will make it past the next one, and the one after that before meeting a team that can knock them out. As of right now, if they make it past round 1, they would have to lose to SA Clark/CC Carroll (I dont think so), then they would face either Larado/Mission/ Weslaco/Harlingen (still dont see it). That gets them into round 4 already. Please, I would like to know the reasoning behind a loss to one of the mentioned teams as well. The next round they would face either Madison or Clemens in my opinion. Madison they have already beat, and Clemens I think is a toss up. If they did get past one of those, they will face most likely Katy. SV has beat Katy before, but I dont see it this year. That all depends on SV's playoff play, which does get better each week. They could beat Katy in this situation, but it would be very tough. Then I think they would see a very tough team at state, using my brain, I would say they dont even get there, and if they do, they lose. Using what I have seen SV do over the past 7-8 years, when my brain said they could not do it, I say they can win it all any given year. First order is to get past round one, otherwise this is all a waste.

Yes there is, their jealous! Get used to it because that is just the way most people are! If you want to know about that type of feeling, just ask the CJ fans what they put up with all these years. Hell, they had to damn near sue the SA medial markets to get them to call them Converse Judson instead of SA Judson when they started kicking everyone's A$$! lOL

Everyone that does not have a vested interest in a team are always (99.99999% of the time at least) going to pull for the underdog when given the opportunity! Face it and like it at the same time, when used to play they were the underdog until 10 years ago, and now damn near everyone SV lines up against would be considered the dog that is fixin' to get their beatin'!

[singularity]

I definitly agree with you clemensbuff. I remember how many people were up for San Benito even though they had pretty much no chance. It will be nice if SV and Clemens face in the 4th round. That will give me a team to support in the semis no matter what.

[bcheat128]

Yes there is, their jealous! Get used to it because that is just the way most people are! If you want to know about that type of feeling, just ask the CJ fans what they put up with all these years. Hell, they had to damn near sue the SA medial markets to get them to call them Converse Judson instead of SA Judson when they started kicking everyone's A$$! lOL

Everyone that does not have a vested interest in a team are always (99.99999% of the time at least) going to pull for the underdog when given the opportunity! Face it and like it at the same time, when used to play they were the underdog until 10 years ago, and now damn near everyone SV lines up against would be considered the dog that is fixin' to get their beatin'!

except slc

[DragonFan]

If Dodge ever decided to leave SLC then the next coach I would like to see at SLC would be Hill. He has all the same traits as Dodge and would be a great coach to replace Dodge.

This post is in no way ment to stir up any controvesy or rummors, it is ment as a compliment to Coach Hill.

I think Clements of Katy or the biggest obsticals for SV this year. SLC is playing in D1 so everyones chances of winning it all have increased. (not ment as disrespect to anyone).

I think Katy will stop SV but I will never count a Hill coached team out of any game. The coaches at Katy were the only coaches that outcoached Dodge when they beat SLC in 2003, so I would like Hill to out-coach Katy, however I think Katy will win it.

[JC73]

If Dodge ever decided to leave SLC then the next coach I would like to see at SLC would be Hill. He has all the same traits as Dodge and would be a great coach to replace Dodge.

This post is in no way ment to stir up any controvesy or rummors, it is ment as a compliment to Coach Hill.

I think Clements of Katy or the biggest obsticals for SV this year. SLC is playing in D1 so everyones chances of winning it all have increased. (not ment as disrespect to anyone).

I think Katy will stop SV but I will never count a Hill coached team out of any game. The coaches at Katy were the only coaches that outcoached Dodge when they beat SLC in 2003, so I would like Hill to out-coach Katy, however I think Katy will win it.

Everyone thought that Katy would beat them in '02 also. Sv likes it when they are the underdog.

[clemensbuff]

except slc

Not a good example, anyone in the nation would be an underdog to SLC!

[clemensbuff]

Everyone thought that Katy would beat them in '02 also. Sv likes it when they are they underdog.

For very good reasons. It is easier to coach and easier for players to get up to play when everyone beleives they have no chance to win it!

[singularity]

For very good reasons. It is easier to coach and easier for players to get up to play when everyone beleives they have no chance to win it!
And it makes the win all the more enjoyable. :)

[singularity]

If Dodge ever decided to leave SLC then the next coach I would like to see at SLC would be Hill. He has all the same traits as Dodge and would be a great coach to replace Dodge.

This post is in no way ment to stir up any controvesy or rummors, it is ment as a compliment to Coach Hill.

I think Clements of Katy or the biggest obsticals for SV this year. SLC is playing in D1 so everyones chances of winning it all have increased. (not ment as disrespect to anyone).

I think Katy will stop SV but I will never count a Hill coached team out of any game. The coaches at Katy were the only coaches that outcoached Dodge when they beat SLC in 2003, so I would like Hill to out-coach Katy, however I think Katy will win it.

Wouldn't you think that both Dodge and Hill would want to move up after there kids pass through. Maybe get a position at a D1 college and make some extra money for there kid's school.

[TxLawDawg]

Wouldn't you think that both Dodge and Hill would want to move up after there kids pass through. Maybe get a position at a D1 college and make some extra money for there kid's school.


Good question. I know that Hill has been offered other positions before, and he hasn't left. But, those were high school jobs (as far as I know). It should be interesting to see what happens after his youngest son graduates. Whoever gets him will be very fortunate. Same for Dodge.

[bullrock]

Law,
I've just returned to this thread. Why are you so irritable? I made a statement after I voted in the poll and you attack my statement? I like Clemens, but they are not my team as headliner stated. I didn't think I said anything that should have got the hair up on your nape. i simply stated " maybe SC could get the job done with SLC". No disrespect intended. That will not happen this year because SLC will now have to face Euless Trinity, Lnogview, NS/Westfield and RegIV which should be easier than usual. That is no slouch of a schedule. I'd like to say my Rockets would be awaiting them, but I don't have the guts to do that. Anyway, "peace brotha". :)

[TxLawDawg]

Bull, I went back and looked at my earlier post. You're right, perhaps it was a bit harsh. I think I was "irritable" because I had just looked at one of the threads about 26-5A and was tired of the hijacking by the 25-5A posters, mostly SC's fans. I certainly appreciate all fans backing their team, but it seemed like the little brother syndrome where the 25-5A was getting some attention this year and wasn't used to it, so they have to jump around big brother all the time saying "Look at me!" I also am of the philosophy that this year is this year, and shouldn't be compared to results in previous years. I think history is fine to talk about when you talk about a program as a whole or about coaches, but the players change every year so why talk about what last year's team did? That being said, I don't think that SC beating SLC this year would make SV look bad because they didn't do it the past two years. I would think the same thing if SLC got beat in the first round, that doesn't dimish their previous teams or automatically mean that whoever beats them was good enough to win state the last two years.

[clemensbuff]

Bull, I went back and looked at my earlier post. You're right, perhaps it was a bit harsh. I think I was "irritable" because I had just looked at one of the threads about 26-5A and was tired of the hijacking by the 25-5A posters, mostly SC's fans. I certainly appreciate all fans backing their team, but it seemed like the little brother syndrome where the 25-5A was getting some attention this year and wasn't used to it, so they have to jump around big brother all the time saying "Look at me!" I also am of the philosophy that this year is this year, and shouldn't be compared to results in previous years. I think history is fine to talk about when you talk about a program as a whole or about coaches, but the players change every year so why talk about what last year's team did? That being said, I don't think that SC beating SLC this year would make SV look bad because they didn't do it the past two years. I would think the same thing if SLC got beat in the first round, that doesn't dimish their previous teams or automatically mean that whoever beats them was good enough to win state the last two years.

Your post is right on time so to speak! Perfect example of this is in 03' when Katy beat us in the Semis and won state the next week against SLC. I don't think that made the win SV had over them the previous year look any less impressive or our win over SV in 03' look less than what it was. Simply, we were better in 03' than SV and Katy was better than both of us. Each team is totally different from one year to the next and that probably has a lot to do with graduation! LOL

[TxLawDawg]

Clemensbuff, I appreciate your posts. Let me also clarify that I don't have anything against SC or its fans. Quite the contrary, actually. My posts regarding SC fans are generally directed towards those fans that only post in order to talk trash to other posters or about other schools. Every school has them, and it's a shame. Good luck this week against Seguin.

[GoRangers]

Simply, we were better in 03' than SV and Katy was better than both of us. Each team is totally different from one year to the next and that probably has a lot to do with graduation! LOL

A glut of top-quality athletes completely changes a team's outlook. These don't come that often for SV. The coaching has been what has maintained a lot of their consistency. As far as the '03 loss to SC, have to say you beat SV by being opportunistic -- that 92 yd fumble return w/ 5min to go certainly erased an otherwise dominant SV performance. Bitter pill, but still had to be swallowed.

[singularity]

A glut of top-quality athletes completely changes a team's outlook. These don't come that often for SV. The coaching has been what has maintained a lot of their consistency. As far as the '03 loss to SC, have to say you beat SV by being opportunistic -- that 92 yd fumble return w/ 5min to go certainly erased an otherwise dominant SV performance. Bitter pill, but still had to be swallowed.
That one hurt pretty bad. One second I was psyched...I thought we were going to take it. The next.... :(

[zippy]

Hill would never go to SLC. He is more interested in a challenge I feel. He could have went to a lot of different schools than SV (almost did), but I think he wanted to prove something to himself. I think he could get a job at a college just as easy as Dodge, I dont see why he would want to take his spot. Hill does not have athletes like SLC, yet does almost as good as them. I have a feeling he will stick with HS football too. He makes plenty of money right where he is. As for Hill outcoaching SLC, I think he did. He may not have got the W, but he went into the half with a lead, and was tied with 6 ticks left. One team was loaded with great players, the other was a bunch of young kids, without the starting RB. Coaching was 80% of that close game. He just ran out of time.


If Dodge ever decided to leave SLC then the next coach I would like to see at SLC would be Hill. He has all the same traits as Dodge and would be a great coach to replace Dodge.

This post is in no way ment to stir up any controvesy or rummors, it is ment as a compliment to Coach Hill.

I think Clements of Katy or the biggest obsticals for SV this year. SLC is playing in D1 so everyones chances of winning it all have increased. (not ment as disrespect to anyone).

I think Katy will stop SV but I will never count a Hill coached team out of any game. The coaches at Katy were the only coaches that outcoached Dodge when they beat SLC in 2003, so I would like Hill to out-coach Katy, however I think Katy will win it.

[sendero]

A glut of top-quality athletes completely changes a team's outlook. These don't come that often for SV. The coaching has been what has maintained a lot of their consistency. As far as the '03 loss to SC, have to say you beat SV by being opportunistic -- that 92 yd fumble return w/ 5min to go certainly erased an otherwise dominant SV performance. Bitter pill, but still had to be swallowed.


My memory is fading on me. I thought this was the game where SC returned it about 15 yards for a TD. Clemens pretty much ran up and down the field but were held to FG's for the most part with some turnovers with final score 13-10. Am I wrong?

[DragonFan]

If you could have any coach in the state to replace your coach who left for College ranks, then who would you pick? You would want the best coach you could get for your team. If Hill went to the College ranks, would SV like to have Dodge be the next coach? I admire SV coaching, players and fans! Everyone would be talking about SV as the team to beat had it not been for SLC. And if Dodge left then I would want Hill! Good Luck Rangers!

[singularity]

If you could have any coach in the state to replace your coach who left for College ranks, then who would you pick? You would want the best coach you could get for your team. If Hill went to the College ranks, would SV like to have Dodge be the next coach? I admire SV coaching, players and fans! Everyone would be talking about SV as the team to beat had it not been for SLC. And if Dodge left then I would want Hill! Good Luck Rangers!
I would take dodge over anyone else.

[singularity]

My memory is fading on me. I thought this was the game where SC returned it about 15 yards for a TD. Clemens pretty much ran up and down the field but were held to FG's for the most part with some turnovers with final score 13-10. Am I wrong?
I believe so. I forget exactly how long that return was, but I thought we would have it sealed on that last drive.

[singularity]

Hill would never go to SLC. He is more interested in a challenge I feel. He could have went to a lot of different schools than SV (almost did), but I think he wanted to prove something to himself. I think he could get a job at a college just as easy as Dodge, I dont see why he would want to take his spot. Hill does not have athletes like SLC, yet does almost as good as them. I have a feeling he will stick with HS football too. He makes plenty of money right where he is. As for Hill outcoaching SLC, I think he did. He may not have got the W, but he went into the half with a lead, and was tied with 6 ticks left. One team was loaded with great players, the other was a bunch of young kids, without the starting RB. Coaching was 80% of that close game. He just ran out of time.
You seem to know quite a bit about Coach Hill. I don't know if it was you or someone else, but I remember someone last year saying that they were a family friend. What is your relationship to him?

[clemensbuff]

A glut of top-quality athletes completely changes a team's outlook. These don't come that often for SV. The coaching has been what has maintained a lot of their consistency. As far as the '03 loss to SC, have to say you beat SV by being opportunistic -- that 92 yd fumble return w/ 5min to go certainly erased an otherwise dominant SV performance. Bitter pill, but still had to be swallowed.

I don't remember a 92 yard fumble return w/ 5 min to go. I remember about a 15 or 20 yard fumble return on the SV's possession just after we kicked a FG to make it 10-3 SV. That turnover was huge and it was kind of tit for tat IMO as we had two very deep drives into SV's red zone end with turnovers earlier in the game. After the fumble return to knot it at 10-10 we held SV to a 3 and out and then drove about 40 yards for the winning FG.

But, I will agree wiht you that SV is as well coached as any HS team could be and yes, ahtlete to athlete ya'll probably shouldn't have been within 2 TDs of us the entire game. All in all, it was a great game between two good football teams and we were very thankful that we got the W.

[BuffFan2005]

Bull, I went back and looked at my earlier post. You're right, perhaps it was a bit harsh. I think I was "irritable" because I had just looked at one of the threads about 26-5A and was tired of the hijacking by the 25-5A posters, mostly SC's fans. I certainly appreciate all fans backing their team, but it seemed like the little brother syndrome where the 25-5A was getting some attention this year and wasn't used to it, so they have to jump around big brother all the time saying "Look at me!" I also am of the philosophy that this year is this year, and shouldn't be compared to results in previous years. I think history is fine to talk about when you talk about a program as a whole or about coaches, but the players change every year so why talk about what last year's team did? That being said, I don't think that SC beating SLC this year would make SV look bad because they didn't do it the past two years. I would think the same thing if SLC got beat in the first round, that doesn't dimish their previous teams or automatically mean that whoever beats them was good enough to win state the last two years.


TX LAW what exactly does dimish mean??? Just wondering since your always correcting my errors!

[singularity]

I don't remember a 92 yard fumble return w/ 5 min to go. I remember about a 15 or 20 yard fumble return on the SV's possession just after we kicked a FG to make it 10-3 SV. That turnover was huge and it was kind of tit for tat IMO as we had two very deep drives into SV's red zone end with turnovers earlier in the game. After the fumble return to knot it at 10-10 we held SV to a 3 and out and then drove about 40 yards for the winning FG.

But, I will agree wiht you that SV is as well coached as any HS team could be and yes, ahtlete to athlete ya'll probably shouldn't have been within 2 TDs of us the entire game. All in all, it was a great game between two good football teams and we were very thankful that we got the W.
I think that is a more accurate account. I would love to see a game like that again, only with an SV win.

[stressybessy]

The game went like this:

SV led 3-0 at half-time the game continued to be sloppy until the end of the third QTR when SV scored a touchdown with a 36 yard touchdown pass to Jay Warnke. Clemens was in serious troube, but the Buffs finally scored a 27 yard field goal with 6:23 remaining in the game. On the first snap of the ensuing drive, Carl Negley forced a fumble that rolled to the Rangers 11 and Ross scooped it up and scored the game tieing field goal. The Buffs forced a punt and took over at their own 45 with 5:10 left in the game. It seemed as though the Buffs had it in the bag but not before another fumble that Clemens David Spivey recovered and they were forced to convert twice on 3rd and long. Clemens eventually reached the SV 5 and Matt Litt lined up for the Field Goal (I have cold chills) with only seconds left on the clock. After a Ranger time-out Litts kick was good. Clemens 13 SV 10. Wow what a sloppy game, but one of the most exciting I have ever been to.

Paraphrased from the Express news.

[Rerun]

The game went like this:

SV led 3-0 at half-time the game continued to be sloppy until the end of the third QTR when SV scored a touchdown with a 36 yard touchdown pass to Jay Warnke. Clemens was in serious troube, but the Buffs finally scored a 27 yard field goal with 6:23 remaining in the game. On the first snap of the ensuing drive, Carl Negley forced a fumble that rolled to the Rangers 11 and Ross scooped it up and scored the game tieing field goal. The Buffs forced a punt and took over at their own 45 with 5:10 left in the game. It seemed as though the Buffs had it in the bag but not before another fumble that Clemens David Spivey recovered and they were forced to convert twice on 3rd and long. Clemens eventually reached the SV 5 and Matt Litt lined up for the Field Goal (I have cold chills) with only seconds left on the clock. After a Ranger time-out Litts kick was good. Clemens 13 SV 10. Wow what a sloppy game, but one of the most exciting I have ever been to.

Paraphrased from the Express news.


Litt and Negley, both my boys. That was one bad *** game.

[JC73]

[QUOTE=stressybessy]The game went like this:

SV led 3-0 at half-time the game continued to be sloppy until the end of the third QTR when SV scored a touchdown with a 36 yard touchdown pass to Jay Warnke. Clemens was in serious troube, but the Buffs finally scored a 27 yard field goal with 6:23 remaining in the game. On the first snap of the ensuing drive, Carl Negley forced a fumble that rolled to the Rangers 11 and Ross scooped it up and scored the game tieing field goal. The Buffs forced a punt and took over at their own 45 with 5:10 left in the game. It seemed as though the Buffs had it in the bag but not before another fumble that Clemens David Spivey recovered and they were forced to convert twice on 3rd and long. Clemens eventually reached the SV 5 and Matt Litt lined up for the Field Goal (I have cold chills) with only seconds left on the clock. After a Ranger time-out Litts kick was good. Clemens 13 SV 10. Wow what a sloppy game, but one of the most exciting I have ever been to.


It was a very exciting game, but it was a defensive struggle. SC did not score one offensive touchdown. But their d was up to the task allowing SV only one and they made plays when it mattered. Typical SV and SC style of play.

[TxLawDawg]

TX LAW what exactly does dimish mean??? Just wondering since your always correcting my errors!

You got me BuffFan, I misspelled a word. The word I was looking for was "diminish".

[zippy]

Ok, I see your point now, however I dont know if Hill would fit in at SLC, and I know Dodge will not fit in at SV. Both would have to make huge changes to their way of coaching. I know both of them are very capable, and would do fine, but I dont see either one wanted to try that. Dodge would be in for a challenge at SV. We dont have near the amount of WR's that he needs to run his system! He needs about 10 ready to play, and we have 2-4 each year. It would take a while for a transformation to happen. Hill, I think, would have some wasted talent at the WR position at SLC, because he does not run much with 5-wide. It would be very interesting to see what each one would do at the other school.

If you could have any coach in the state to replace your coach who left for College ranks, then who would you pick? You would want the best coach you could get for your team. If Hill went to the College ranks, would SV like to have Dodge be the next coach? I admire SV coaching, players and fans! Everyone would be talking about SV as the team to beat had it not been for SLC. And if Dodge left then I would want Hill! Good Luck Rangers!

[GoRangers]

One could argue that Dodge also has been blessed with better QBs and/or is doing a better job coaching that position. SV QB's have not been near as talented/productive (take your pick). I wish SV could have had atleast one of the last 3 SLC QBs. Certainly, that's also due in large part to scheme. SV QBs are asked to manage the game, moreso, than win it.

[DragonFan]

Dodge is know as a great QB coach and knows how to get the best out of them.

[singularity]

One could argue that Dodge also has been blessed with better QBs and/or is doing a better job coaching that position. SV QB's have not been near as talented/productive (take your pick). I wish SV could have had atleast one of the last 3 SLC QBs. Certainly, that's also due in large part to scheme. SV QBs are asked to manage the game, moreso, than win it.
Could you imagine hat we could have done with a great quarterback. I see a few state championships under our belt. It would be nice to have Bybee back.

[singularity]

Dodge is know as a great QB coach and knows how to get the best out of them.
It seems he gets the best out of already exceptional players.

[GoRangers]

Could you imagine hat we could have done with a great quarterback. I see a few state championships under our belt. It would be nice to have Bybee back.

I think Michael Peel was SV's best QB, but that was back in 1996-1997. He'd deliver the ball with guys all over him. Could really use another gritty QB like him.

[SVite]

I don't remember a 92 yard fumble return w/ 5 min to go. I remember about a 15 or 20 yard fumble return on the SV's possession just after we kicked a FG to make it 10-3 SV. That turnover was huge and it was kind of tit for tat IMO as we had two very deep drives into SV's red zone end with turnovers earlier in the game. After the fumble return to knot it at 10-10 we held SV to a 3 and out and then drove about 40 yards for the winning FG.

But, I will agree wiht you that SV is as well coached as any HS team could be and yes, ahtlete to athlete ya'll probably shouldn't have been within 2 TDs of us the entire game. All in all, it was a great game between two good football teams and we were very thankful that we got the W.

Rowdy Francis fumbled the ball around the 25 yard line,with like 2-3 minutes left in the game..We were trying to get a 1st down,then try to keep going down the field,thinking field goal.Clemens recovered,and got to the hash mark they wanted,and kicked a very short field goal to win.We could have at least punted,and get you back around the 40.That would have been real tough,with the time left,looking at overtime.

I felt sorry for Rowdy,who had such a great season,ending on his fumble.But good teams can strip the ball,and Clemens did what they had to do.Clemens was our first real test that year,being in 25 5A,we blew teams off the field in that district.Second, and 3rd team players got to play alot.Clemens was war tested from 26 5A.Guess we all remember it a little different,But, we all remember that field goal,and thats what really mattered.

[SVite]

Could you imagine hat we could have done with a great quarterback. I see a few state championships under our belt. It would be nice to have Bybee back.

Yeah Laron was good,so was Woodchick.Bailey started out slow,but really finished good last year.

[singularity]

D2 is going to be crazy, but I think most of the poll results will hold strong for our side of the state. Thoughts?

[singularity]

Does anyone remember Corey Clark? He is at Texas A&M now. 6'6" 307 lbs. He was great, but would you contribute it all to his size, or was he just as talented as he was big?

[singularity]

SV got through round 1 with no problem. How do you think they will do from here?

[WiCkeD PanThER 84]

I have only been to one SV game and that was the one when they beat Judson. I really like SV this year. Not one of their strongest teams but I hope you guys go far. I think for SV, maybe a new quaterback at the beggining of the season wouldn't have been asking much but then again he has made some plays, with the help of cody byer. So go get em' rangers. Oh yeah and if you guys can lay a beating on John Jay, the OC boys wouldn't probably mind. Good luck guys!!

[DragonNation]

Smithson Valley is weak, very weak.

[TxLawDawg]

Smithson Valley is weak, very weak.


I'm just curious, do you have anything to back up your statement?

[singularity]

Smithson Valley is weak, very weak.
I hope you are joking buddy.

[singularity]

There seems to be something similar between the '04 and '05 squads. They both came off a loss (two last year) in the regular season to pretty good teams. As soon as they both hit the playoffs, the level of play elevated. SV has only played one game, but if they beat Jay in the fashion I think they will, I believe we will see a plaoff run like last years.

Look at the '04 Playoff scores:
SV vs San Marcos Win 38-21
SV vs SA Clark Win 48-20
SV vs San Benito Win 51-0
SV vs SA Taft Win 42-24
SV vs Clear Lake Win 18-10
SV vs SLC Lose 24-27

'05 Playoffs (Based on prediction)
SV vs San Marcos Win 42-14
SV vs SA Jay (If anything like Clark last year, SV by a lot)
SV vs Valley (Blowout)
SV vs Madison? (Although madison will be elevated, so will SV. Same as district showdown)
SV vs Katy? (Close game could go either way based on prediction)
SV vs SLC? (Maybe like last year)


The purpose of this post is to show that if SV beats Jay like they beat Clark last year, I see last years plaoffs repeating with different teams. I believe that SV will at least make the Semifinals, and could very possibly win it all.

[clemensbuff]

I think Michael Peel was SV's best QB, but that was back in 1996-1997. He'd deliver the ball with guys all over him. Could really use another gritty QB like him.

Peel was a STUD! He was able to do things that were just flat out crazy!

[singularity]

Did he play in college??