Texas has beaten more BCS 25 teams than anyone else

[dragonfootballfan]

USC and VTech have wins over 2 teams so far.... Texas has 4 wins

1. USC – at #13 Oregon, at #14 Notre Dame
2. Texas – at #10 OhioSt, #15 Texas Tech, #22 Colorado, v. #25 Oklahoma
3. VaTech – at #17 W.Virginia, v. #19 Boston College
4. Alabama - #16 Florida
5. UCLA - #23 California, #25 Oklahoma

6. Miami - #22 Colorado
7. PennSt - #10 OhioSt
8. LSU – #16 Florida, #20 Auburn
9. FSU – #6 Miami, #19 Boston College
10. OhioSt – None

11. Georgia – None
12. Wisconsin – #21 Michigan
13. Oregon – #24 FresnoSt
14. Notre Dame – #21 Michigan
15. Texas Tech – None

16. Florida – #11 Georgia
17. W.Virginia – None
18. TCU – #25 Oklahoma
19. Boston College – None
20. Auburn – None

21. Michigan – #7 PennSt
22. Colorado – None
23. California – None
24. FresnoSt – None
25. Oklahoma – None

[dada]

USC and VTech have wins over 2 teams so far.... Texas has 4 wins

1. USC – at #13 Oregon, at #14 Notre Dame
2. Texas – at #10 OhioSt, #15 Texas Tech, #22 Colorado, v. #25 Oklahoma
3. VaTech – at #17 W.Virginia, v. #19 Boston College
4. Alabama - #16 Florida
5. UCLA - #23 California, #25 Oklahoma

6. Miami - #22 Colorado
7. PennSt - #10 OhioSt
8. LSU – #16 Florida, #20 Auburn
9. FSU – #6 Miami, #19 Boston College
10. OhioSt – None

11. Georgia – None
12. Wisconsin – #21 Michigan
13. Oregon – #24 FresnoSt
14. Notre Dame – #21 Michigan
15. Texas Tech – None

16. Florida – #11 Georgia
17. W.Virginia – None
18. TCU – #25 Oklahoma
19. Boston College – None
20. Auburn – None

21. Michigan – #7 PennSt
22. Colorado – None
23. California – None
24. FresnoSt – None
25. Oklahoma – None

You better hope HDSHRINKER dosent see this. How dare you come on here and spew FACTS everywhere? Who do you think you are? Everyone knows the hokies rule... :rolleyes:

[wide-e-wide]

Either that...or tell us how Texas is beating up on their little brother...
Like W. Virginia and Boston College are the freakin' '85 Chicago Bears or something :rolleyes:

Hey hdshrinker...are you starting to see a trend here. Nobody likes you...and you did it to yourself...Your mouth has writing a check your *** can't cash...Now just go away.

[dragonfootballfan]

I forgot to mention that of the unbeaten teams, Texas has beaten a higher ranked team in Ohio State than any of the other unbeatens have

[dragonfootballfan]

Hdshrinker respond to this. You keep spending your time in the other forum. Is this not evidence that states that Texas has played the hardest schedule so far? Do you still think that Texas is just beating on their little brothers.

[Hdshrinker]

Hdshrinker respond to this. You keep spending your time in the other forum. Is this not evidence that states that Texas has played the hardest schedule so far? Do you still think that Texas is just beating on their little brothers.


The problem with that friend......is Texas Tech we ALL know was not a top 10 team...... Ohio St was obviously NOT a top 10 team and have lost two games already with another one most likely....so then who have they played?

I've already shown this and am NOT going to to the work to do it again...If LSU/ALA and/or VA tech win out.....ALL of them will have had a tougher schedule than Texas.

[Reaganrattler07]

You guys are kinda funny....you failed to leave out who was LEFT to play....how about V. Tech playing #5 Miami? And possibly #9 FSU in the ACC Title?

[Reaganrattler07]

Whoever thought Texas Tech was a legit Top 10 needs to slow down on the drugs....or just stop altogether.

[Hdshrinker]

You guys are kinda funny....you failed to leave out who was LEFT to play....how about V. Tech playing #5 Miami? And possibly #9 FSU in the ACC Title?


Let's not resort to reason Red........

[Texasfrog]

The problem with that friend......is Texas Tech we ALL know was not a top 10 team...... Ohio St was obviously NOT a top 10 team and have lost two games already with another one most likely....so then who have they played?

I've already shown this and am NOT going to to the work to do it again...If LSU/ALA and/or VA tech win out.....ALL of them will have had a tougher schedule than Texas.

Florida St is a top #10 !!! hahahahahahahaha.. They suck !! Their still living off past reputation. Texas Tech would beat Florida St. Florida St was almost beaten by a very crappy Maryland !!!! Please fool...

Florida St is about to be living in the land of mythville soon. They will lose probably lose to Clemson and I'll bet my pay check that Florida smokes them. Florida St will be living in the land of about #23 real soon. Watch son.

Florida St is about on par with Texas A&M in reality !!!

When Va Tech plays Florida"overated" St in the ACC championship game. It will be about (#3 Va Tech vs #23 Florida ST.)

Miami will also probably drop really soon. Va Tech will probably beat them which is going to drop them to about #12th. Then they'll lose another game and also drop to about #20th.

The (SOS) is starting to slowly favor Texas (like I've told you and your girlfried Junkie) for about a month now.

Texas ( Ohio St, Tx Tech, Oklahoma & Colorado). Ouch huh !!!!!! :D What is also giving Texas bonus pts is they did two of them on the ROAD...

Even Herbstreit said, " Va Tech hasnt proved they can do anything on the road." That's unless you want to say their huge 4 pt win over a very crappy North Carolina St team proves something !!! hahahahahahaha :D

[Hdshrinker]

Even Herbstreit said, " Va Tech hasnt proved they can do anything on the road." That's unless you want to say their huge 4 pt win over a very crappy North Carolina St team proves something !!! hahahahahahaha :D



Was this the same Herbstreit that had Ohio St. beating Texas by 10?

[Texasfrog]

Was this the same Herbstreit that had Ohio St. beating Texas by 10?

I just love the hatred that ya'll have for not only Texas.. But, ya'll claim that Texas Tech isnt good. I'll be the first to say that Tx Tech isnt a top #10. But, their a legit top #25. Everyone always knocks Tx Tech (nationally) until they play them and get rocked by 30 or more pts. Just ask Clemson, Ole Miss (#3 SEC) and a few other teams. The only team that really handed it to them was the 2002 Ohio St team (national champs) in the first game of the year at the Horseshoe.

Texas Tech is easily... I mean easily better then Boston College and I'm 95% sure their better then Florida St.

Texas has beaten 4 legit #25 teams ( Ohio st, Tx Tech, Colorado and Oklahoma).

The other fact is it's slowly looking like Texas opponent in the Big-12 title game (probably Colorado) will be ranked higher then Va Tech opponent in the ACC title game (probably Florida St). :)

Dont worry... the "Voters" are looking at Va Tech crappy win 4 pt win over NC State and dropping those ballots.

[Reaganrattler07]

Or the same Herbstreit that got his rental car totalled in Blacksburg?

Oklahoma is not good, Texas Tech is overrated, and FSU is a lot better than A&M. Maryland's a good team. ACC is far better than the Big XII.

[Texasfrog]

Or the same Herbstreit that got his rental car totalled in Blacksburg?

Oklahoma is not good, Texas Tech is overrated, and FSU is a lot better than A&M. Maryland's a good team. ACC is far better than the Big XII.

Whatever clown.. we'll see in a couple of weeks. I'll be here to remind you how sorry Florida St is after they get beat by Clemson and Florida (both away games for Florida St). In fact they only way Florida St even stays in the top #25 is the voters will be giving love to Bobby Bowden and that's it. :rolleyes:

We'll seeeeeee.. Remember that Clemson beat Tx A&M on a last play FG at Clemson. We'll see how Florida St does at Clemson. I'll be here to remind you that you claim Florida St is better then Tx A&M.

Florida St QB couldnt hold Reggie McNeal jock-strap bro. That QB they have sucks and couldnt hit the side of a barn.

[Reaganrattler07]

Whatever clown.. we'll see in a couple of weeks. I'll be here to remind you how sorry Florida St is after they get beat by Clemson and Florida (both away games for Florida St). In fact they only way Florida St even stays in the top #25 is the voters will be giving love to Bobby Bowden and that's it. :rolleyes:

You must really have problems if all you do is personally insult people who disagree with you....

We'll see what happens in the next few weeks. You may like it, and you may not.

[Texasfrog]

You must really have problems if all you do is personally insult people who disagree with you....

We'll see what happens in the next few weeks. You may like it, and you may not.

Na... you and your girlfriends have been on here for months telling everyone how much Texas isnt really good. Big-12 sucks and blah blah blah..!!!

Now the "voters" are starting to see the light. I live here in Florida bro. That's all you see in the papers here is how much Florida St isnt that good. Its amazing they are even #10. Strictly 100% respect for the program more then an actual fact. Florida St is about #20 "at best". We'll see,, I think Clemson and Florida are going to beat them somewhat easily and it might even knock Florida St out of the #25 because they'll have 3 losses and 2 of them will be to non #25 teams. The sad thing is Florida St is still going to win their bracket.

We'll see.. Remember that Tx A&M lost to Clemson by 1 pt on a last play FG.

I think Clemson smokes Florida St.

I dont think Nebraska 30pt win over Wake Forest is a fluke either.

Big 12 it better then the ACC..

[Texasfrog]

Either that...or tell us how Texas is beating up on their little brother...
Like W. Virginia and Boston College are the freakin' '85 Chicago Bears or something :rolleyes:

Hey hdshrinker...are you starting to see a trend here. Nobody likes you...and you did it to yourself...Your mouth has writing a check your *** can't cash...Now just go away.

I know Wide.. I'm driving to work today in Miami (ACC country) and listening to the sports radio. Their talking about Va Tech vs Miami game coming up this weekend. The radio guy is a huge Miami dude and he starts talking about the rankings. He says, "Texas is #2 and deserves it and I think their better then Va Tech & Miami... I dont care that they had a bad half against Oklahoma St... we (Miami) had a bad game against Temple and then went on to be National champs.... bad games happen."

He also stated... " Why are people trying to knock Texas for their schedule ? It's not like Va Tech has played anyone."

[Reaganrattler07]

Na... you and your girlfriends have been on here for months telling everyone how much Texas isnt really good. Big-12 sucks and blah blah blah..!!!

Now the "voters" are starting to see the light. I live here in Florida bro. That's all you see in the papers here is how much Florida St isnt that good. Its amazing they are even #10. Strictly 100% respect for the program more then an actual fact. Florida St is about #20 "at best". We'll see,, I think Clemson and Florida are going to beat them somewhat easily and it might even knock Florida St out of the #25 because they'll have 3 losses and 2 of them will be to non #25 teams. The sad thing is Florida St is still going to win their bracket.

We'll see.. Remember that Tx A&M lost to Clemson by 1 pt on a last play FG.

I think Clemson smokes Florida St.

I dont think Nebraska 30pt win over Wake Forest is a fluke either.

Big 12 it better then the ACC..

your beloved voters don't seem to agree that the Big XII is better than the ACC. A&M started the year off strong but disappeared.....

This really is going nowhere because we both say the same thing and we're not going to convince each other that the other conference is stronger or weaker.

[Hdshrinker]

I just love the hatred that ya'll have for not only Texas..



In other words "yeah....now let's jump to something else since you shot that one down" right?

[Reaganrattler07]

I know Wide.. I'm driving to work today in Miami (ACC country) and listening to the sports radio. Their talking about Va Tech vs Miami game coming up this weekend. The radio guy is a huge Miami dude and he starts talking about the rankings. He says, "Texas is #2 and deserves it and I think their better then Va Tech & Miami... I dont care that they had a bad half against Oklahoma St... we (Miami) had a bad game against Temple and then went on to be National champs.... bad games happen."

He also stated... " Why are people trying to knock Texas for their schedule ? It's not like Va Tech has played anyone."

Do you think that possibly they believe Tech will beat them? And maybe that they were saying that just so that Tech wouldn't go. Texas played Ohio State...that's it. And it turns out people were a little wrong about them.

[Hdshrinker]

I know Wide.. I'm driving to work today in Miami (ACC country) and listening to the sports radio. Their talking about Va Tech vs Miami game coming up this weekend. The radio guy is a huge Miami dude and he starts talking about the rankings. He says, "Texas is #2 and deserves it and I think their better then Va Tech & Miami... I dont care that they had a bad half against Oklahoma St... we (Miami) had a bad game against Temple and then went on to be National champs.... bad games happen."

He also stated... " Why are people trying to knock Texas for their schedule ? It's not like Va Tech has played anyone."



LOL......that wasn't what wide wanted to talk about though from what I see you quoting...wide doesn't want to talk sports...he wants to rally some troops...some help....LOL......


But now...back to football.......I guess we'll know a whole lot more right after Va. Tech plays Miami huh frog?

BTW, you should know something....if a radio jock wants to kee his job...he better get good ratings....what's better for ratings than feeding controversy?


And how are you guys going to cut down ALA? LSU?

[Texasfrog]

your beloved voters don't seem to agree that the Big XII is better than the ACC. A&M started the year off strong but disappeared.....

This really is going nowhere because we both say the same thing and we're not going to convince each other that the other conference is stronger or weaker.

We'll see here in a few weeks. In fact I think Boston College goes bye bye out of the top #25 here really soon. They're the biggest "myth" team in the top #25.

Florida St will be lucky to be #25 in a couple of weeks...

Really.. the if I was an ACC fan. I would pray that Colorado gets beat in the last few weeks by someone and that Tx Tech beat Oklahoma to knock them out of the BCS #25.

Because if Oklahoma beat Tx Tech both teams will stay top #25. Oklahoma would actually jump to about #20th and Tx Tech would drop to about #24th.

But, if Tx Tech beats Oklahoma.. Tx Tech wont move at all and Oklahoma would get dropped for good out of the top #25.

[Hdshrinker]

We'll see here in a few weeks. In fact I think Boston College goes bye bye out of the top #25 here really soon. They're the biggest "myth" team in the top #25.

Florida St will be lucky to be #25 in a couple of weeks...

Really.. the if I was an ACC fan. I would pray that Colorado gets beat in the last few weeks by someone and that Tx Tech beat Oklahoma to knock them out of the BCS #25.

Because if Oklahoma beat Tx Tech both teams will stay top #25. Oklahoma would actually jump to about #20th and Tx Tech would drop to about #24th.

But, if Tx Tech beats Oklahoma.. Tx Tech wont move at all and Oklahoma would get dropped for good out of the top #25.




Laughing like crazy............ if you were an ACC fan???? That sounds like if you were a Big 12 fan...more importantly a Texas fan hoping that these guys stay in the rankings somehow......and your best bet is Tech staying high up in the rankings...otherwise....they will all be at the bottom of the 25. OK will be out.....Tech still will have played no one......but who knows...and the Texas power rating??? *chuckles*

[Texasfrog]

your beloved voters don't seem to agree that the Big XII is better than the ACC. A&M started the year off strong but disappeared.....

This really is going nowhere because we both say the same thing and we're not going to convince each other that the other conference is stronger or weaker.

A&M started out strong and then went down hill ??? Come on !! A&M has been bad then went to bad and still are bad. Dont be upset that they only lost to Clemson by 1pt.

[Reaganrattler07]

The trash talk from all the people who claim the Big XII is better is getting old. Lets just wait until the final polls.

[Hdshrinker]

The trash talk from all the people who claim the Big XII is better is getting old. Lets just wait until the final polls.



Well....at least they are talking football......

[Texasfrog]

LOL......that wasn't what wide wanted to talk about though from what I see you quoting...wide doesn't want to talk sports...he wants to rally some troops...some help....LOL......


But now...back to football.......I guess we'll know a whole lot more right after Va. Tech plays Miami huh frog?

BTW, you should know something....if a radio jock wants to kee his job...he better get good ratings....what's better for ratings than feeding controversy?


And how are you guys going to cut down ALA? LSU?

We'll see after the Va Tech vs Miami game. Va Tech is already getting punished somewhat because its a "homegame" for them.

Miami is better now then they were back in week 1. If Miami played Florida St right now it probably wouldnt be much of a game. The sad fact is when they both played it was honestly a very crappy poorly played game that neither team looked like a top #20 much less top #10.

But, Miami has the athletes to match-up with Va Tech. IF Miami comes to play and makes a few plays and gets a couple of turnovers. They can beat Va Tech at Blacksburg. If Va Tech plays like they did against Maryland or NC State they'll get beat.

But, Va Tech better blow out Miami because if they dont they dont have a chance to jump Texas. This is really Va Tech "showcase game" and they better come out and pretty much blowout Miami by 20pts or more to have a chance to leapfrog Texas. Because if they dont leapfrog Texas after this Miami game... its probably Texas vs USC in the Rose Bowl.

Unless Texas or USC losses a game.

PS. I still think USC will lose to either Cal or UCLA.

[Reaganrattler07]

A&M started out strong and then went down hill ??? Come on !! A&M has been bad then went to bad and still are bad. Dont be upset that they only lost to Clemson by 1pt.

A&M looked pretty good in the Clemson game. They just lost whatever they had.

[Reaganrattler07]

We'll see after the Va Tech vs Miami game. Va Tech is already getting punished somewhat because its a "homegame" for them.

Miami is better now then they were back in week 1. If Miami played Florida St right now it probably wouldnt be much of a game. The sad fact is when they both played it was honestly a very crappy poorly played game that neither team looked like a top #20 much less top #10.

But, Miami has the athletes to match-up with Va Tech. IF Miami comes to play and makes a few plays and gets a couple of turnovers. They can beat Va Tech at Blacksburg. If Va Tech plays like they did against Maryland or NC State they'll get beat.

But, Va Tech better blow out Miami because if they dont they dont have a chance to jump Texas. This is really Va Tech "showcase game" and they better come out and pretty much blowout Miami by 20pts or more to have a chance to leapfrog Texas. Because if they dont leapfrog Texas after this Miami game... its probably Texas vs USC in the Rose Bowl.

Unless Texas or USC losses a game.

PS. I still think USC will lose to either Cal or UCLA.


Why would they need to blow them out? All they need to do is beat them. Voters are already saying that if Tech wins, they'll change their votes to Tech. I'd much rather believe them than you, and I'm sure that's pretty hard for you to comprehend.

[Texasfrog]

Why would they need to blow them out? All they need to do is beat them. Voters are already saying that if Tech wins, they'll change their votes to Tech. I'd much rather believe them than you, and I'm sure that's pretty hard for you to comprehend.

hahahaha.. stop reading the "want adds" my man. I've read and listened to many of the programs. Not once has anyone even remotely stated that if Va Tech beat Miami they will jump Texas. What a joke and wishful thinking by you besides just pulling stuff out the rear of your pants.

In fact today a voter from Sporting News stated.. " its a homegame for Va tech so they should have an advantage.... unlike Texas when they went to Ohio st and won on the road." Keep dreaming.

I'll be here to remind you of the crap you sprewing out of your mouth next week when Texas is still #2 ok Redskin and ask you why Texas is still #2.

[farmerfan]

Did someone really say that FSU and A&M were on the same page? well by your logic, of comparing the FSU score with Clemson to the A&M score, lets remember first that Colorado blasted A&M, this is same Colorado who got blasted by Miami, the same Miami who lost to FSU. SO by using your own theory FSU would destroy A&M.
Also all you ever have done is use the Wake Forrest argument, well dont forget head to head that the ACC is 2-1, and that outsie of UT and TT, that this confrence is not that strong. Many respected analysist have state that the ACC is on par with the SEC this year, and I would tend to agree. Of course if you dont agree with frog then you are just a clown. So i guess i will go out and buy some flat red shoes and a big red nose.

[Reaganrattler07]

Did someone really say that FSU and A&M were on the same page? well by your logic, of comparing the FSU score with Clemson to the A&M score, lets remember first that Colorado blasted A&M, this is same Colorado who got blasted by Miami, the same Miami who lost to FSU. SO by using your own theory FSU would destroy A&M.
Also all you ever have done is use the Wake Forrest argument, well dont forget head to head that the ACC is 2-1, and that outsie of UT and TT, that this confrence is not that strong. Many respected analysist have state that the ACC is on par with the SEC this year, and I would tend to agree. Of course if you dont agree with frog then you are just a clown. So i guess i will go out and buy some flat red shoes and a big red nose.

Don't bother with sense....it goes in one ear and out the other....or given the scenario it doesn't register when they read it. Kinda selective I suppose you could say......

[ThEgReAtOnE]

(3) Virgnia Tech:

Sun, Sep 4 at North Carolina State W 20-16 (3-4)
Sat, Sep 10 at Duke W 45-0 (1-8)
Sat, Sep 17 Ohio W 45-0 (4-4)
Sat, Sep 24 Georgia Tech W 51-7 (5-2)
Sat, Oct 1 at (17) West Virginia W 34-17 (6-1)
Sat, Oct 8 Marshall W 41-14 (4-4)
Thu, Oct 20 at Maryland W 28-9 (4-4)
Thu, Oct 27 (19) Boston College W 30-10 (6-2)
Sat, Nov 5 (6) Miami (FL)
Sat, Nov 19 at Virginia
Sat, Nov 26 North Carolina

Virginia Tech has forced 294, while giving up 73 pts in 8 games. They've outscored (2) Top 25 opponents 64-27. They've beaten 6 .500 teams. Marcus Vick has passed for 1534 yds, 11 tds and 5 ints, while rushing for 319 yds and 3 tds.

Against (17) West Virginia Marcus went 15-17 for 177 yds, 2 TDs and 12 Rush for 74 yds, 1 TD. Against (19) Boston College Marcus went 22-28, 280 yds and 1 TD.

Va Tech's defense has forced 13 ints, while scoring 4 tds.

(2) Texas:

Sat, Sep 3 Louisiana-Lafayette W 60-3 (3-5)
Sat, Sep 10 at (10) Ohio State W 25-22 (6-2)
Sat, Sep 17 Rice W 51-10 (0-7)
Sat, Oct 1 at Missouri W 51-20 (5-3)
Sat, Oct 8 (25) Oklahoma W 45-12 (5-3)
Sat, Oct 15 (22) Colorado W 42-17 (6-2)
Sat, Oct 22 (15) Texas Tech W 52-17 (7-1)
Sat, Oct 29 at Oklahoma State W 47-28 (3-5)
Sat, Nov 5 at Baylor
Sat, Nov 12 Kansas
Fri, Nov 25 at Texas A&M

Texas has forced 373 pts, while only giving up 129 pts in 8 games. They've outscored (4) Top 25 opponents 164 to 68. They've beaten 5 .500 teams. Vincent Young has passed for 1835 yds, 16 tds, 8 ints, while rushing for 725 yds and 8 tds.

Against (10) Ohio State, Vincent Young went 18-29, 270 yds and 2 TDs, 2 INTs. Against (25) Oklahoma, Young went 14-27, 241 yds and 3 TDs. Against (22) Colorado, Young went 25-29, 336 yds, 2 TDs and 10 Rushes for 58 yds, 3 TDs. Against (15) Texas Tech, Young 12-22, 239 yds, 2 TDs, 2 INTs and
7 Rushes for 45 yds, 1 TD.

Their defense has forced 5 ints.

Virginia Tech's remaining schedule looks favorable, as their opponents combined record is 13-8, while UT's remaining opponents combined record is 12-11. At the end of the regular season, Va Tech will have, most likely, faced a total of 4 Top 25 teams, while UT will have, most likely, faced 5 Top 25 teams.

By the end of the season Texas will have, most likely, beat Va Tech in these categories: most victories against Top 25 teams, most victories against Top 10 teams, most points scored, most points scored against Top 25 teams and total yards - passing, rushing and receiving.

Ultimately placing the Texas Longhorns in the January 4, 2006 BCS National Championship game against the USC Trojans.

[Texasfrog]

Why would they need to blow them out? All they need to do is beat them. Voters are already saying that if Tech wins, they'll change their votes to Tech. I'd much rather believe them than you, and I'm sure that's pretty hard for you to comprehend.

Here Redskin.. this is from someone that actually has a roll in the BCS. You can go to the Dallas News and read the whole article if you like or you can just keep making stuff up and pulling stuff out of the rear end of your pants..

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I have USC ahead of Texas this week by a smaller margin than Texas was ahead last week," Palm said of UT's seven ten-thousandths margin.

Palm said because Texas has a 54-point lead over Virginia Tech in the coaches' poll and a 101-point lead over the Hokies in the Harris poll, the Longhorns won't be threatened by the Hokies anytime soon.

"You're talking at least Thanksgiving before Virginia Tech could catch Texas in the BCS," Palm said. "With the lead Texas has in the coaches' poll and Harris poll, Virginia Tech would have to be two spots ahead of Texas in the computers to catch them. And Virginia Tech isn't there yet – not even if they beat Miami next week."
E-mail chipbrown@dallasnews.com

[Reaganrattler07]

We'll see then.

And Great one, football is a team sport - you should know that, especially since you were the "great one" :rolleyes: ....our quarterback isn't selfish and actually hands the ball off to other people to score. We also don't run the score up needlessly either.

[Texasfrog]

Did someone really say that FSU and A&M were on the same page? well by your logic, of comparing the FSU score with Clemson to the A&M score, lets remember first that Colorado blasted A&M, this is same Colorado who got blasted by Miami, the same Miami who lost to FSU. SO by using your own theory FSU would destroy A&M.
Also all you ever have done is use the Wake Forrest argument, well dont forget head to head that the ACC is 2-1, and that outsie of UT and TT, that this confrence is not that strong. Many respected analysist have state that the ACC is on par with the SEC this year, and I would tend to agree. Of course if you dont agree with frog then you are just a clown. So i guess i will go out and buy some flat red shoes and a big red nose.

That was me dummy that said that. Farmerfan again show me he knows nothing about football "as usuall".

The ACC is 2-1 against the Big-12 this season. ding ding wow. That's great.

Clemson has a "HUGE" 1 pts win over a very poor Tx A@M team AT CLEMSON.

Nebraska destroyed Wake Forest by 30 pts. I know , I know it doest matter and Wake Forest aint that good. blah blah blah blah. That's why they have won like 3 ACC games and gave Boston College and Florida St games going into the 4th Qt. "ding ding.. Nebraska aint that good of a big-12 team farmer brown."

Colorado lost to Miami (AT MIAMI) by 20pts. I guess you just forgot to notice what Texas did to Colorado (AT TEXAS) Huh. I know that doesnt mean anything does it ?? Lets see..this is a Miami team that is 2nd in the ACC and a Colorado team that is 3rd in the Big-12. "ding ding".

And yes.. I think if you put Tx A&M vs Florida St on the field you would have a toss up game. Tx A&M aint that good and "DING DING" Florida St aint that good either. You need to watch them. Yes, we'll see how Florida St looks against Clemson (at Clemson).

Of coarse Clemson took Miami to (OT) at Clemson also didnt they. I know , I know Clemson, Miami and Florida St are really good legit teams and Tx A&M sucks because they play in the Big-12. I cant be that some of these Big-12 teams are actually pretty good can it..
Some of you ACC dudes are "SELECTIVE" in what you want to read and see.

[Reaganrattler07]

Texas Frog, I would think you would know that different teams match up against each other better.

And the reporter in DALLAS.....what else do you think he's gonna write? The key to "good journalism" is to put out controversy and occasionally give the people what they want. For example, and you probably won't know him, but in San Antonio, we have Greg Simmons on KSAT 12. Nice guy and everything. But he's a homer. All he does is give rah rah rah about the Cowboys, Longwhorns, and whatever local team. And people like the guy. Why? Because he is a "figure" who is telling the majority of people who are watching what they want to hear.

[Texasfrog]

We'll see then.

And Great one, football is a team sport - you should know that, especially since you were the "great one" :rolleyes: ....our quarterback isn't selfish and actually hands the ball off to other people to score. We also don't run the score up needlessly either.

Football is a "team sport ??" Wow I'll have to remember that concept.. first I've ever heard that.

I guess your talking about Vincent Young when you make a totally stupid comment that "your QB hands the ball off". Whoever "your QB is".

I guess Selvin Young, J. Charles and a few other Texas RB's dont have td runs this season. :confused:

[Texasfrog]

Texas Frog, I would think you would know that different teams match up against each other better.

And the reporter in DALLAS.....what else do you think he's gonna write? The key to "good journalism" is to put out controversy and occasionally give the people what they want. For example, and you probably won't know him, but in San Antonio, we have Greg Simmons on KSAT 12. Nice guy and everything. But he's a homer. All he does is give rah rah rah about the Cowboys, Longwhorns, and whatever local team. And people like the guy. Why? Because he is a "figure" who is telling the majority of people who are watching what they want to hear.

I know ,, I know.. That's why I'm living in Miami and hear the samething. Because some of the Miami sports writers are trying to appeal to people in the Big-12. :rolleyes:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

We'll see then.

And Great one, football is a team sport - you should know that, especially since you were the "great one" :rolleyes: ....our quarterback isn't selfish and actually hands the ball off to other people to score. We also don't run the score up needlessly either.

Ok??

Thanx for the info! ;)

[Texasfrog]

Texas Frog, I would think you would know that different teams match up against each other better.

And the reporter in DALLAS.....what else do you think he's gonna write? The key to "good journalism" is to put out controversy and occasionally give the people what they want. For example, and you probably won't know him, but in San Antonio, we have Greg Simmons on KSAT 12. Nice guy and everything. But he's a homer. All he does is give rah rah rah about the Cowboys, Longwhorns, and whatever local team. And people like the guy. Why? Because he is a "figure" who is telling the majority of people who are watching what they want to hear.

Also.. I know that football is alot about matchups. Some teams matchup better then others with overall chemistry of the teams and the styles of play.

That's also why teams that havent played Texas Tech have a very hardtime with them. They dont see that style of offense and unless you've played against it a few times it can totally take you be surprise.

Texas knows that. Texas has lost to TxTech a few times the past 5 years. Its also why Texas is somewhat used to them now.

If you take a team like Florida St or even Miami and put them on the field with Tx Tech . They can lose very easily to Tx Tech because they dont see that offense.

You can ask Clemson that.. 2 years ago they got smoked by Tx Tech by almost 50 pts in the Bowl game.

You can ask Cal that.. last year they got embarrassed by Tx Tech.

Is it because Tx Tech is really better and has better athletes ?? NOPE.. its those teams havent played Tx Tech and arent used to that offense and it takes them by surprise and before they know it their down by 20 pts going into halftime.

[HOOKEM]

You guys are kinda funny....you failed to leave out who was LEFT to play....how about V. Tech playing #5 Miami? And possibly #9 FSU in the ACC Title?
left out....thus the term has beaten.

[Reaganrattler07]

Football is a "team sport ??" Wow I'll have to remember that concept.. first I've ever heard that.

I guess your talking about Vincent Young when you make a totally stupid comment that "your QB hands the ball off". Whoever "your QB is".

I guess Selvin Young, J. Charles and a few other Texas RB's dont have td runs this season. :confused:

I didn't say they didn't. I was saying why Marcus doesn't have as many touchdowns. He hands it off to Mike Imoh, Cedric Humes, and now Brandon Ore.

[Texasfrog]

left out....thus the term has beaten.

I know.. Texas beating #4 Ohio St (at Ohio) and #7 Tx Tech doesnt matter to them does it..

Their also living a pipe dream if they think Florida St will be #9 for the ACC title game. They might be about #17th going into that game at best.

[Reaganrattler07]

I know.. Texas beating #4 Ohio St (at Ohio) and #7 Tx Tech doesnt matter to them does it..

Their also living a pipe dream if they think Florida St will be #9 for the ACC title game. They might be about #17th going into that game at best.

Do you agree that Texas Tech deserved to be #7? Honestly, I wanna know that.

Ohio State is good....not #4 good, but good.

[Texasfrog]

I didn't say they didn't. I was saying why Marcus doesn't have as many touchdowns. He hands it off to Mike Imoh, Cedric Humes, and now Brandon Ore.

What ??? the fact that V. Young has the skill and ability to take it to the house on almost any play means Texas isnt as good as Va Tech or Texas is somehow inferior ???

V. Young can hit the "home run" on any play on anyone in the country. His got that can of skill. I'll be the first to say he aint John Elway or Dan Marino. But, Young brings a very strong duel threat ability to the football field that defensives have to respect and honor.

Go ask Michigan that. V. Young made them look stupid last season and they had the 2nd best defense in the Big-10.

[Reaganrattler07]

What ??? the fact that V. Young has the skill and ability to take it to the house on almost any play means Texas isnt as good as Va Tech or Texas is somehow inferior ???

V. Young can hit the "home run" on any play on anyone in the country. His got that can of skill. I'll be the first to say he aint John Elway or Dan Marino. But, Young brings a very strong duel threat ability to the football field that defensives have to respect and honor.

Go ask Michigan that. V. Young made them look stupid last season and they had the 2nd best defense in the Big-10.

Did you learn reading and comprehension in school?

WHERE in that quote did I say they were inferior? I was defending Marcus by saying why he didn't have as many touchdowns. Did I say Texass was inferior because of it? Please tell me where I said it cause in another post I said that Leinart, Young and Marcus each fit their system and there was an unfair comparison of who was "the best" because each system is a little different.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I didn't say they didn't. I was saying why Marcus doesn't have as many touchdowns. He hands it off to Mike Imoh, Cedric Humes, and now Brandon Ore.


Ya....Marcus has handed it off, to his rb's, for 15 tds....while Young has handed it off, to his rb's, for 22 tds.

That gives UT 46 td's, total. And Va Tech 29 td's, total!

You're argument is getting weak, dawg! ;)

[Reaganrattler07]

Ya....Marcus has handed it off, to his rb's, for 18 tds....while Young has handed it off, to his rb's, for 12 tds.

That gives UT 36 td's, total. And Va Tech 32 td's, total!

You're argument is getting weak, dawg! ;)

My arguement? You just supported it. our RBs have scored more touchdowns than the whorn Running backs.....thus saying that Marcus hands it off more.

[Texasfrog]

Do you agree that Texas Tech deserved to be #7? Honestly, I wanna know that.

Ohio State is good....not #4 good, but good.


I've already stated it about a 100 times. I dont think Ohio st is #4 or Texas Tech is #7.

Ohio St is probably about #15-#18 and Tx Tech is probably about #20th in the country this after the regular season.

I also think that after the regular season.. Miami will be about #14 and Florida St will be about #19th.

I also think Boston College wont be in the #25 and Coloroado will probably be about #18th.

Now, there could be a fluke upset here or there that throws a big wrinkle into everything. But, overall... that's how I see the teams looking after 11 games.

When you compare Texas and Va Tech overall (SOS) after 11 games. It will (should) be very close. Texas will probably get some extra love because they did a couple of games on the road and Va Tech didnt.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

My arguement? You just supported it. our RBs have scored more touchdowns than the whorn Running backs.....thus saying that Marcus hands it off more.


No....go back and read that...I corrected my mistake! ;)

[Reaganrattler07]

No....go back and read that...I corrected my mistake! ;)

Lol, get the facts right!

We score as much as needed.....not incessantly to humiliate and embarass our opponents.

[Reaganrattler07]

I've already stated it about a 100 times. I dont think Ohio st is #4 or Texas Tech is #7.

Ohio St is probably about #15-#18 and Tx Tech is probably about #20th in the country this after the regular season.

I also think that after the regular season.. Miami will be about #14 and Florida St will be about #19th.

I also think Boston College wont be in the #25 and Coloroado will probably be about #18th.

Now, there could be a fluke upset here or there that throws a big wrinkle into everything. But, overall... that's how I see the teams looking after 11 games.

When you compare Texas and Va Tech overall (SOS) after 11 games. It will (should) be very close. Texas will probably get some extra love because they did a couple of games on the road and Va Tech didnt.


That might've been one of your more logical posts.....

[ThEgReAtOnE]

My arguement? You just supported it. our RBs have scored more touchdowns than the whorn Running backs.....thus saying that Marcus hands it off more.


And you were saying?? ;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Lol, get the facts right!

We score as much as needed.....not incessantly to humiliate and embarass our opponents.


No way....if Vick could put up 50 or 60, he and the Hokies would! You'd be an idiot not to score as much as possible so that the human voters can call your success more powerful.

As far as the National Championship is concerned...
It's about who you beat, where you beat them and how much you beat them by! Human voters really can't judge it any other way!

[Texasfrog]

That might've been one of your more logical posts.....

No.. that's what I've been saying for about a month now. When its all said and done and the actuall "myths" teams get exposed and the "real" teams step up and blah blah blah. That's how it most likely will shake out.

BCS POLL
#2 Texas
#3 Va Tech
#14 Miami
#16 Ohio St
#18 Colorado
#19 Florida St
#20 Oklahoma
#24 Tx Tech

It could change some.. but I wont be surprised to see it end up something like this. Va Tech may get some help with West Virginia hanging around in the top #25 because they play in a extremely weak Big East and most likely will beat all the High school teams they play against in that Conference.

[wide-e-wide]

Did you learn reading and comprehension in school?

WHERE in that quote did I say they were inferior? I was defending Marcus by saying why he didn't have as many touchdowns. Did I say Texass was inferior because of it? Please tell me where I said it cause in another post I said that Leinart, Young and Marcus each fit their system and there was an unfair comparison of who was "the best" because each system is a little different.


Don't you just love it when these idiots call the Longhorns...Texass...
Do they not realize they are degrading the very state that they call home by doing that?
I don't care how much I hate a school...I be damned if a insult my home state in order to insult a school.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Don't you just love it when these idiots call the Longhorns...Texass...
Do they not realize they are degrading the very state that they call home by doing that?
I don't care how much I hate a school...I be damned if a insult my home state in order to insult a school.


Ya...I'm a Sooner, but when their not playing Texas, I'm a Longhorn fan! And I don't put down the freakin' state like that!

I mean he loves the Redskins and when he speaks in reference to ACC teams he and his buddies say..."WE"!

Skins, it's freedom of choice....move to Virginia! They'd love to get'cha! ;)

[Hdshrinker]

Ya...I'm a Sooner, but when their not playing Texas, I'm a Longhorn fan! And I don't put down the freakin' state like that!

I mean he loves the Redskins and when he speaks in reference to ACC teams he and his buddies say..."WE"!

Skins, it's freedom of choice....move to Virginia! They'd love to get'cha! ;)



I doubt Red meant it that way...but then ole (hic) wide is good at pointing out typos...and making a cause out of nothing......

[GoOwls]

The problem with that friend......is Texas Tech we ALL know was not a top 10 team...... Ohio St was obviously NOT a top 10 team and have lost two games already with another one most likely....so then who have they played?

I've already shown this and am NOT going to to the work to do it again...If LSU/ALA and/or VA tech win out.....ALL of them will have had a tougher schedule than Texas.

Shrink, if TTech wasn't a legitimate top 10, and the voters and computers had them there, what makes the legitimacy of these same polls and computers making USC #1 or VTech #3 so legitimate to you? Sounds kinda hypocritical to me. (surprise.......not)

Appears you just pick and choose the results to fit your agenda, with no respect for the "other" results.

I guess in your little world, you CAN have your cake and eat it too.

Sad little world.

[FootballJunkie]

Florida St is a top #10 !!! hahahahahahahaha.. They suck !! Their still living off past reputation. Texas Tech would beat Florida St. Florida St was almost beaten by a very crappy Maryland !!!! Please fool...

Florida St is about to be living in the land of mythville soon. They will lose probably lose to Clemson and I'll bet my pay check that Florida smokes them. Florida St will be living in the land of about #23 real soon. Watch son.

Florida St is about on par with Texas A&M in reality !!!

When Va Tech plays Florida"overated" St in the ACC championship game. It will be about (#3 Va Tech vs #23 Florida ST.)

Miami will also probably drop really soon. Va Tech will probably beat them which is going to drop them to about #12th. Then they'll lose another game and also drop to about #20th.

The (SOS) is starting to slowly favor Texas (like I've told you and your girlfried Junkie) for about a month now.

Texas ( Ohio St, Tx Tech, Oklahoma & Colorado). Ouch huh !!!!!! :D What is also giving Texas bonus pts is they did two of them on the ROAD...

Even Herbstreit said, " Va Tech hasnt proved they can do anything on the road." That's unless you want to say their huge 4 pt win over a very crappy North Carolina St team proves something !!! hahahahahahaha :D


You are a complete and total DUMMY!! FSU on par with Texas A@M when they were already beaten by a so so clemson team. If you could read you would see that the SOS that the BCS uses shows the ACC head and shoulders above the BIG XII not my opinion but a fact. That would be born out by the fact VA Tech and USC are tied in the computer rankings.

Considering the Coaches Poll moved Texas Tech down after a win does not show any respect for this BS conference which is the BIG XII.

By the way I thought I told you I broke up with Shrinker. I took your mother out last night we had fun!! :D

[wide-e-wide]

By the way I thought I told you I broke up with Shrinker. I took your mother out last night we had fun!!

Tell him that in person...

I will bet my entire life savings,put up my house and two of my kids that Frog mops the floor with you.

[FootballJunkie]

Tell him that in person...

I will bet my entire life savings,put up my house and two of my kids that Frog mops the floor with you.


Yea yea he is a seal :rolleyes: means nothing to me!! What ever dude if he does not get personal then I won't.

[wide-e-wide]

Yea yea he is a seal :rolleyes: means nothing to me!! What ever dude if he does not get personal then I won't.


I'm sure it means nothing to you...
But what it means to me is............You only say it because you're not standing in front of him.

and that = coward

[FootballJunkie]

I'm sure it means nothing to you...
But what it means to me is............You only say it because you're not standing in front of him.

and that = coward

I know a lot of things harder than an ex-squid so keep all that for someone else.
Stick to the football battle and you will be fine. Getting personal and off topic was the choice of your boy so talk to him not me.

[farmerfan]

kermit
you say I know nothing about football?
I guarantee if you ever wanted to discuss football I would more than hold my own with you.
You yourself have stated that A&M and FSU are on the same page, that is total BS.
A&M would get destroyed by FSU, havent you notcied that the ags have no defense and have made a history of making teams look like offensive juggernauts this year. If Texas State and Iowa State can put up 31 and 42 against A&M imagine what FSU would do.
You say Colorado got beat by 20 at Miami, well Texas beat Colorado by around 24 at TEXAS, what is the difference, this is the same Miami team who lost to FSU, but beat Clemson who beat A&M. The ACC has about 4-5 teams who would win the Big 12 north, and have another in V-Tech who would give TEXAS a better game than any team in this confrence.
You blab on and on about the depth of football teams in the state of Texas, andthat is what makes Texas HS football so great, well it is that same depth in the ACC that makes them stronger than the Big 12 this year.
But then again, if you dont agree with Kermit than no one knows anything about football. How dare me to even think I could challenge the almighty Texaskermit.

[farmerfan]

Even Herbstreit said, " Va Tech hasnt proved they can do anything on the road." That's unless you want to say their huge 4 pt win over a very crappy North Carolina St team proves something !!! hahahahahahaha :D


You like to quote Herbsteit?
Well on sportscenter Herbstreit just said that V-Tech's remaining schedule which is all ACC teams is much more difficult than Texas. This is the schedule than includes Miami, Virginia and possibly FSU. Comparing that to Baylor, Kansas and A&M, he just said V-Tech gets the edge.
We all know Herbstreit is not the expert, however you quoted him and I thought i would comeback with what he just stated.

[Lee05]

ohio state is the best team in the big 10 right now, their only losses are to UT and a VERY GOOD penn state team with a healthy michael robinson(their senior qb who is outstanding, rushed for a td vs OSU) AT HOME. did anyone see this game? 40,000+ in pure white(called the white out) making TONS of noise, and ohio state was at this end the entire second half. think penn would have won at ohio? yeah right.

texas has beat the best the big10 has to offer(remember michigan last year? cough, michigan isn't as good and texas is better) and tech. virginia tech has beaten...boston college. tech would beat boston college, so anyone saying the hokies are better are probably just saying so to piss people off. they have no staple game to compare them to #1 usc and #2 UT. them vs. miami will be a good game to see how they're doing this season. other than that shrinker, do you just troll this forum to piss people off or what? jesus

as for fsu, they have a lot of talent but they look kinda lost right now. they have what it takes to be a top 10 team but they aren't playing like it, too many close games to underachieving programs. that's all i'll say about that.


oh and for whoever was arguing rushing stats, va tech only has about 20 more carries than texas this season. which averages about 2.5 more per game. of course va tech played teams like duke, ohio, marshall, where they just ran all over them, so saying marcus "hands the ball off more" isn't really accurate.

[Hdshrinker]

Yea yea he is a seal :rolleyes: means nothing to me!! What ever dude if he does not get personal then I won't.



Dont let it bother you junkie...obviously ole wide there has anger issues.....

always wanting to call people names.....obessed with man sex.........gotten fond of calling people coward....someone even told Me he called me that so you are in good company...I'm an ex-vet with high security...2nd Div INfantry Indianhead patch.

AS well someone posted Me several post of ole wide saying he was done talking for the year. He was going to let Texas do his talking..... (I was just sent a private message that said wide even edited the I am sick of this crap I'm letting Texas do My talking the rest the year....LOL...he can't even stick to his word within his own post. Choice! I wonder if he was under the influence of......oh well...who knows.....) that I was on ignore...yada yada....so pretty much everything wide says is subject to not happpening......loads of integrity that boy has....


Just do what I told prime....stick to football.....that'll confuse him more than anything.....




added note:

[Hdshrinker]

You like to quote Herbsteit?
Well on sportscenter Herbstreit just said that V-Tech's remaining schedule which is all ACC teams is much more difficult than Texas. This is the schedule than includes Miami, Virginia and possibly FSU. Comparing that to Baylor, Kansas and A&M, he just said V-Tech gets the edge.
We all know Herbstreit is not the expert, however you quoted him and I thought i would comeback with what he just stated.



SAme guy said Ohio was going beat Texas by 14.....so yeah...he's wired in.

[Hdshrinker]

I know a lot of things harder than an ex-squid so keep all that for someone else.
Stick to the football battle and you will be fine. Getting personal and off topic was the choice of your boy so talk to him not me.



psssstttt...careful how you use that word boy around wide......


Actually all kidding aside..... Almost everyone of these threads start out on football until certain elements get involved then it drops down to name calling and machismo.....lot of testosterone flowing I guess....

[Texasfrog]

Oh boy... I guess some of you football experts need to go read the article from Collegefootballnews. Even they claim it's Texas vs USC in the Rose bowl unless both teams lose.

I think its funny how they claim the same thing I've stated. The only hope is:

Va Tech:
1. Va Tech needs to blow out Miami.
2. Florida St needs to win out
3. Tx Tech needs to lose a couple of games.
4. Oklahoma needs to lose
5. Ohio St needs to lose

Wow..funny how they basically say the samething about Va Tech.

Also.. Farmer,, Yes, I think Tx A&M can play with Florida St down for down. Its only you casual fans that actually dont watch any of the games that keep thinking Florida St is the Florida St of past.

I also think Iowa St can play with Florida St and have a really good shot of beating them. ** Florida St offense is pretty much worthless and their defense has big holes in it.** Maybe you should watch them sometimes and really see ok.

You remind me of some of the "homer fans" a couple years who were totally surprised when a no name IOWA St team took Florida St to the final play of the game. This was a Iowa St team that was about 7th in the Big-12 and Florida St was ACC champs. :eek:

We'll see how Florida St looks against Clemson @ Clemson. Florida St will also be rocked by Univ-Florida !!

I'll be here to remind you Farmer afer the Clemson game.. Then we'll watch you TAP-DANCE on how it really doesnt mean anything and teams like Tx A&M totally suck but Florida St is really a national power blah blah blah....

[farmerfan]

Oh boy... I guess some of you football experts need to go read the article from Collegefootballnews. Even they claim it's Texas vs USC in the Rose bowl unless both teams lose.

I think its funny how they claim the same thing I've stated. The only hope is:

Va Tech:
1. Va Tech needs to blow out Miami.
2. Florida St needs to win out
3. Tx Tech needs to lose a couple of games.
4. Oklahoma needs to lose
5. Ohio St needs to lose

Wow..funny how they basically say the samething about Va Tech.

Also.. Farmer,, Yes, I think Tx A&M can play with Florida St down for down. Its only you casual fans that actually dont watch any of the games that keep thinking Florida St is the Florida St of past.

I also think Iowa St can play with Florida St and have a really good shot of beating them. ** Florida St offense is pretty much worthless and their defense has big holes in it.** Maybe you should watch them sometimes and really see ok.

You remind me of some of the "homer fans" a couple years who were totally surprised when a no name IOWA St team took Florida St to the final play of the game. This was a Iowa St team that was about 7th in the Big-12 and Florida St was ACC champs. :eek:

We'll see how Florida St looks against Clemson @ Clemson. Florida St will also be rocked by Univ-Florida !!

I'll be here to remind you Farmer afer the Clemson game.. Then we'll watch you TAP-DANCE on how it really doesnt mean anything and teams like Tx A&M totally suck but Florida St is really a national power blah blah blah....

Do you actually watch the games?
Have you seen A&M play this year?
Iowa freaking State just went into Kyle Field and hung 42 on A&M while only surrendering 14. This is the same A&M team who lost to Colorado by 20+, and had to go to OT to beat Baylor, and who only beat D1AA Texas State by 14. If FSU and A&M, FSU would put at least 40 up on that pathetic defense of A&M, and the FSU defense would not allow A&M to score more than 20.

You obvisouly have not been around here long enough to know anything about me. When I am wrong there is no tap dancing involved. Unlike you, you will spout off about how you are the all knowing football king, then when you get proven wrong, you make excuse after excuse. Remember you were the one saying how Tyler Lee would beat Colerain by 14+ pts, then started to come up with each and every excuse why Tyler Lee lost the game? Of course you will deny that, but anyone who was here long enough would remember how you kept it up with Concha and kept informing him that Tyler Lee would beat Colerain, when they didnt you immidately went into excuse mode.

I have never said that Texas did not deserve to be in the Rose bowl, I am no longhorn fan, but will admit if they go undefeated they should be playing USC. I used the herbstreit argument to show you that he said as far as strength of schedule, V-Tech had the tougher one from playing in the ACC. Of course you are the only one who is allowed to quote something, as long as it exalts the BIG 12.

You also state a while back that maybe the reason that the Big 12 teams are losing, is because the teams in the confrence are actually that good. Well use that same logic and think outside the box for a second, and you have exactly why the ACC has some close games.

I think most will agree if you took V-Tech, the ACC's best and put them against Texas, the BIG 12's best, then Texas would win. Does that make the Big 12 the stronger of the confrences? No.
You also love to bring up the 30-3 Nebraska score over Wake Forest, well how many offenseive touchdown's did Nebraska score? 1. This is the same Nebraska team who struggled with Maine, then their is OKIE State who struggled with Arkansas State and Montana. Lets not forget how A&M made Texas State look like a offensive juggernaut, or how Iowa State who beat lowly Army by7, came into College Station and whipped the aggies, of course you still say that A&M is on par with FSU.
I dont recall anyone on here proclaiming the greatness of FSU, but right now they are one of a few 1 loss teams left in the US.
You say they will get hammered by Florida, I dont see the Gators scoring many points on anyone unless they get to play A&M. Florida is a good team, they have 2 losses to teams that are a combined 15-1, there would be no shame in losing to the Gators, but to say they will get hammered by them is ignorant at best.
For once froggy I challenge you to think outside of your everything is better in Texas box, and realize that for once the Big 12 is second fiddle to the likes of the ACC, SEC and even Big 10. It is not like this every year, but this year it is not a very strong confrence, if you can't see that now then your not as smart as you portray yourself to be.

[Reaganrattler07]

psssstttt...careful how you use that word boy around wide......


Actually all kidding aside..... Almost everyone of these threads start out on football until certain elements get involved then it drops down to name calling and machismo.....lot of testosterone flowing I guess....

Yeah, starts out at football than when you disagree the personal shots come in. Maybe they feel they have to come on a messageboard to feel superior.

[Texasfrog]

I'm sure it means nothing to you...
But what it means to me is............You only say it because you're not standing in front of him.

and that = coward

You can pretty much bet everything you own and then go to the bank and get about 10 million in credit that he wouldnt say any of that in my face.

Some people are freaking 10 foot tall and 400 lbs of bad *** on these websites like "Junkie".

He's actually the little punk kid in the class with zits all over he's face that always wishes he could have the girl but they keep laughing at him.

Isnt that right tough guy Junkie.... See ya in the after life and then I'll take care of your coward butt.

[HOOKEM]

I am feeling no love on this board. Shrunken head has not quoted me for a couple of days now. What up?

[wide-e-wide]

I am feeling no love on this board. Shrunken head has not quoted me for a couple of days now. What up?


He has been too busy pleasuring himself to my posts.

[Texasfrog]

Do you actually watch the games?
Have you seen A&M play this year?
Iowa freaking State just went into Kyle Field and hung 42 on A&M while only surrendering 14. This is the same A&M team who lost to Colorado by 20+, and had to go to OT to beat Baylor, and who only beat D1AA Texas State by 14. If FSU and A&M, FSU would put at least 40 up on that pathetic defense of A&M, and the FSU defense would not allow A&M to score more than 20.

You obvisouly have not been around here long enough to know anything about me. When I am wrong there is no tap dancing involved. Unlike you, you will spout off about how you are the all knowing football king, then when you get proven wrong, you make excuse after excuse. Remember you were the one saying how Tyler Lee would beat Colerain by 14+ pts, then started to come up with each and every excuse why Tyler Lee lost the game? Of course you will deny that, but anyone who was here long enough would remember how you kept it up with Concha and kept informing him that Tyler Lee would beat Colerain, when they didnt you immidately went into excuse mode.

I have never said that Texas did not deserve to be in the Rose bowl, I am no longhorn fan, but will admit if they go undefeated they should be playing USC. I used the herbstreit argument to show you that he said as far as strength of schedule, V-Tech had the tougher one from playing in the ACC. Of course you are the only one who is allowed to quote something, as long as it exalts the BIG 12.

You also state a while back that maybe the reason that the Big 12 teams are losing, is because the teams in the confrence are actually that good. Well use that same logic and think outside the box for a second, and you have exactly why the ACC has some close games.

I think most will agree if you took V-Tech, the ACC's best and put them against Texas, the BIG 12's best, then Texas would win. Does that make the Big 12 the stronger of the confrences? No.
You also love to bring up the 30-3 Nebraska score over Wake Forest, well how many offenseive touchdown's did Nebraska score? 1. This is the same Nebraska team who struggled with Maine, then their is OKIE State who struggled with Arkansas State and Montana. Lets not forget how A&M made Texas State look like a offensive juggernaut, or how Iowa State who beat lowly Army by7, came into College Station and whipped the aggies, of course you still say that A&M is on par with FSU.
I dont recall anyone on here proclaiming the greatness of FSU, but right now they are one of a few 1 loss teams left in the US.
You say they will get hammered by Florida, I dont see the Gators scoring many points on anyone unless they get to play A&M. Florida is a good team, they have 2 losses to teams that are a combined 15-1, there would be no shame in losing to the Gators, but to say they will get hammered by them is ignorant at best.
For once froggy I challenge you to think outside of your everything is better in Texas box, and realize that for once the Big 12 is second fiddle to the likes of the ACC, SEC and even Big 10. It is not like this every year, but this year it is not a very strong confrence, if you can't see that now then your not as smart as you portray yourself to be.

Ya.. I've seen Tx A&M and I've seen Florida St.. On any given day they could beat each other because they both suck. I've seen them.

Also.. I love it. You try to make a point because I've predicted games before and didnt get it right. I've also predicted many games and got it right. Opps.

I guess from your "PERFECT NEVER WRONG" on predicting games. You live in Las Vegas because apparently you must never be wrong.. HUH FARMER !!??

Like I've stated before... I guess all those tv experts need to give their pay checks back because I see them get several games wrong every week.

I really love it... I dont know anything because I predicted Tyler Lee was going to beat Colerain. Heck.. I dont know football..

Go watch the games FARMER and try to learn the game. I can tell you've never played the game by several of the comments you've made. I know you havent....

Ya.. put Tx A&M on the field with Florida St and it would be a very competitive game because neither team has a strong offense and both defensives are somewhat "Soft" now going into the second half of the season.

Its also the same Tx A&M team that just beat Okla St -- 62-23 alright.

I know that doesnt mean anything to you... and Florida St big 55-24 win over DUKE probably does...!!!

** if you havent noticed Oklahoma St is ranked alot higher then Duke in every poll.** before you state Oklahoma St sucks without considering that Duke is totally pathetic !!

I also really love how you totally ASSUME that Iowa St couldnt beat Florida St. I'll tell you what... in my book from what I've seen of those 3 teams. Iowa St would beat both Tx A&M and Florida St this season.

Like I've said... we'll see how Florida St does in a couple of weeks at Clemson.

Now.. you and that little girlfiend of yours "JUNKIE" can go walkie together.

[Texasfrog]

Do you actually watch the games?
Have you seen A&M play this year?
Iowa freaking State just went into Kyle Field and hung 42 on A&M while only surrendering 14. This is the same A&M team who lost to Colorado by 20+, and had to go to OT to beat Baylor, and who only beat D1AA Texas State by 14. If FSU and A&M, FSU would put at least 40 up on that pathetic defense of A&M, and the FSU defense would not allow A&M to score more than 20.

You obvisouly have not been around here long enough to know anything about me. When I am wrong there is no tap dancing involved. Unlike you, you will spout off about how you are the all knowing football king, then when you get proven wrong, you make excuse after excuse. Remember you were the one saying how Tyler Lee would beat Colerain by 14+ pts, then started to come up with each and every excuse why Tyler Lee lost the game? Of course you will deny that, but anyone who was here long enough would remember how you kept it up with Concha and kept informing him that Tyler Lee would beat Colerain, when they didnt you immidately went into excuse mode.

I have never said that Texas did not deserve to be in the Rose bowl, I am no longhorn fan, but will admit if they go undefeated they should be playing USC. I used the herbstreit argument to show you that he said as far as strength of schedule, V-Tech had the tougher one from playing in the ACC. Of course you are the only one who is allowed to quote something, as long as it exalts the BIG 12.

You also state a while back that maybe the reason that the Big 12 teams are losing, is because the teams in the confrence are actually that good. Well use that same logic and think outside the box for a second, and you have exactly why the ACC has some close games.

I think most will agree if you took V-Tech, the ACC's best and put them against Texas, the BIG 12's best, then Texas would win. Does that make the Big 12 the stronger of the confrences? No.
You also love to bring up the 30-3 Nebraska score over Wake Forest, well how many offenseive touchdown's did Nebraska score? 1. This is the same Nebraska team who struggled with Maine, then their is OKIE State who struggled with Arkansas State and Montana. Lets not forget how A&M made Texas State look like a offensive juggernaut, or how Iowa State who beat lowly Army by7, came into College Station and whipped the aggies, of course you still say that A&M is on par with FSU.
I dont recall anyone on here proclaiming the greatness of FSU, but right now they are one of a few 1 loss teams left in the US.
You say they will get hammered by Florida, I dont see the Gators scoring many points on anyone unless they get to play A&M. Florida is a good team, they have 2 losses to teams that are a combined 15-1, there would be no shame in losing to the Gators, but to say they will get hammered by them is ignorant at best.
For once froggy I challenge you to think outside of your everything is better in Texas box, and realize that for once the Big 12 is second fiddle to the likes of the ACC, SEC and even Big 10. It is not like this every year, but this year it is not a very strong confrence, if you can't see that now then your not as smart as you portray yourself to be.

Also Farmerbrown.. is the ACC , SEC and Big-10 better then the Big-12 or is it just that way because many people say it ??

You like to say the ACC is better then the Big-12 because its 2-1 head to head.

Well, I believe this season the Big-12 is 2-0 against the Big-10. Now using your logic lets see..

Texas beat Ohio St -- 25-22
Iowa St beat Iowa -- 23-3

Ooppss.. how many games has Iowa St lost to other Big-12 teams ?? 3 games ( Nebraska, Baylor & Mizzou).

How many Big-10 teams have beaten Iowa ? 2 ( Ohio St & Michigan) and the Michigan game was a toss-up going to (OT).

I know ,, I know.. all the experts say that the Big-12 only has Texas but teams like Iowa, Michigan are legit big time. I mean Iowa St probably wouldnt have a chance at all against Michigan would they Farmer ??

Lets see.. Tx A&M went to Clemson and lost to them 25-24. two weeks later the mighty #6 Miami went to Clemson and won in (3 OT) 36-30.

Yes.. I think there is a few Big-12 teams that can play and beat Miami. Colorado went to Miami and lost to them 23-3. Do you think Miami would of done the samething if they went to Bolder and had to play in the thin air of Colorado in an away game ?? Just wondering..... because I dont think soooooo !!!! I think it would be pretty close type of toss up game.

Go read somemore stuff Farmerbrown and I'll keep bringing some facts to you.

PS. Who should I bet on this week Farmer ? I really want to hear your prediction because apparently you NEVER wrong and I would like to make a quick "million" in Vegas.

[Texasfrog]

He has been too busy pleasuring himself to my posts.

I think him and Junkie are probably sharing the same closet if you know what I mean.. :D

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I think him and Junkie are probably sharing the same closet if you know what I mean.. :D

LOL!! Ya...that's why they post on top of each other! ;)

[wide-e-wide]

LOL!! Ya...that's why they post on top of each other! ;)

But hdshrinker has a tougher schedule...so he will hop back on top soon.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

But hdshrinker has a tougher schedule...so he will hop back on top soon.

Ya...a long and hard schedule! :D

[farmerfan]

Ya.. I've seen Tx A&M and I've seen Florida St.. On any given day they could beat each other because they both suck. I've seen them.

Also.. I love it. You try to make a point because I've predicted games before and didnt get it right. I've also predicted many games and got it right. Opps.

I guess from your "PERFECT NEVER WRONG" on predicting games. You live in Las Vegas because apparently you must never be wrong.. HUH FARMER !!??

Like I've stated before... I guess all those tv experts need to give their pay checks back because I see them get several games wrong every week.

I really love it... I dont know anything because I predicted Tyler Lee was going to beat Colerain. Heck.. I dont know football..

Go watch the games FARMER and try to learn the game. I can tell you've never played the game by several of the comments you've made. I know you havent....

Ya.. put Tx A&M on the field with Florida St and it would be a very competitive game because neither team has a strong offense and both defensives are somewhat "Soft" now going into the second half of the season.

Its also the same Tx A&M team that just beat Okla St -- 62-23 alright.

I know that doesnt mean anything to you... and Florida St big 55-24 win over DUKE probably does...!!!

** if you havent noticed Oklahoma St is ranked alot higher then Duke in every poll.** before you state Oklahoma St sucks without considering that Duke is totally pathetic !!

I also really love how you totally ASSUME that Iowa St couldnt beat Florida St. I'll tell you what... in my book from what I've seen of those 3 teams. Iowa St would beat both Tx A&M and Florida St this season.

Like I've said... we'll see how Florida St does in a couple of weeks at Clemson.

Now.. you and that little girlfiend of yours "JUNKIE" can go walkie together.

You are about as immature a person as there is on this board.

I have said all i can say, the only thing I am going to address is that whoever said you need to take some reading comprehension classes was right. Not once did I ever say I am always right and never wrong, not once did I say you know nothing about football, its funny to see how you read things then spin it to fit your desire.
What I did say was unlike you, I will admit when I am wrong, I do not make excuses and I do not resort into name calling when someone proves me wrong. Can't say the same for you. All you ever do is attack people by name calling and telling them they know nothing about football, I did not realize the only way to think was by texasfrog standards of thinking. Talk about narrow minded.

You also question if I played football, well i played the game for 8 years, I was a 1st team all state TE and LB, including district defensive player of the year as a junior. As a senior I was a 1st team all state RB, which included district offensive player of the year as well as Denton Record Chronicle offensive player of the year. I played a year of ball at Howard Payne University, where I contributed as a freshman before I came back home. But according to you I have never played the game.
I have said it once and I will say it again, I would more than hold my own with you in any football conversation, but something tells me that you would turn it quickly into a name calling contest.

[farmerfan]

Also Farmerbrown.. is the ACC , SEC and Big-10 better then the Big-12 or is it just that way because many people say it ??

You like to say the ACC is better then the Big-12 because its 2-1 head to head.

Well, I believe this season the Big-12 is 2-0 against the Big-10. Now using your logic lets see..

Texas beat Ohio St -- 25-22
Iowa St beat Iowa -- 23-3

Ooppss.. how many games has Iowa St lost to other Big-12 teams ?? 3 games ( Nebraska, Baylor & Mizzou).

How many Big-10 teams have beaten Iowa ? 2 ( Ohio St & Michigan) and the Michigan game was a toss-up going to (OT).

I know ,, I know.. all the experts say that the Big-12 only has Texas but teams like Iowa, Michigan are legit big time. I mean Iowa St probably wouldnt have a chance at all against Michigan would they Farmer ??

Lets see.. Tx A&M went to Clemson and lost to them 25-24. two weeks later the mighty #6 Miami went to Clemson and won in (3 OT) 36-30.

Yes.. I think there is a few Big-12 teams that can play and beat Miami. Colorado went to Miami and lost to them 23-3. Do you think Miami would of done the samething if they went to Bolder and had to play in the thin air of Colorado in an away game ?? Just wondering..... because I dont think soooooo !!!! I think it would be pretty close type of toss up game.

Go read somemore stuff Farmerbrown and I'll keep bringing some facts to you.

PS. Who should I bet on this week Farmer ? I really want to hear your prediction because apparently you NEVER wrong and I would like to make a quick "million" in Vegas.

Kermit you are unreal.
Spinning things everyone says that does not agree with you, the sign of a real mature man. Once again I challenge you to point out where I said I was always right, I have been wrong many times, and when I am, I own up to it. You never have, you just attack people and get personel.

The big 10, ACC and SEC are all better confrences because of depth. You say its the reason why Texas HS football is the best, well it is also the reason why the Big 12 is not a top confrence this year, all comes down to depth. The Big 10, ACC and SEC all have it, the Big 12 doesn't.

[Texasfrog]

You are about as immature a person as there is on this board.

I have said all i can say, the only thing I am going to address is that whoever said you need to take some reading comprehension classes was right. Not once did I ever say I am always right and never wrong, not once did I say you know nothing about football, its funny to see how you read things then spin it to fit your desire.
What I did say was unlike you, I will admit when I am wrong, I do not make excuses and I do not resort into name calling when someone proves me wrong. Can't say the same for you. All you ever do is attack people by name calling and telling them they know nothing about football, I did not realize the only way to think was by texasfrog standards of thinking. Talk about narrow minded.

You also question if I played football, well i played the game for 8 years, I was a 1st team all state TE and LB, including district defensive player of the year as a junior. As a senior I was a 1st team all state RB, which included district offensive player of the year as well as Denton Record Chronicle offensive player of the year. I played a year of ball at Howard Payne University, where I contributed as a freshman before I came back home. But according to you I have never played the game.
I have said it once and I will say it again, I would more than hold my own with you in any football conversation, but something tells me that you would turn it quickly into a name calling contest.



Let's see.. I guess :

Texas over Ohio st = 25-22
Iowa St over Iowa = 23-3
Nebraska over Wake Forest = 33-3
Kansas St over Marshall = 21-19 this is the same Marshall team that fought Va Tech for 3 1/2 quarters.

UCLA over Oklahoma = 41-24 game that was tight for 3 qts.

* UCLA is a top #10 and has a great shot of beating USC... also UCLA would crush Miami & Florida St probably worse then what they did to Oklahoma.

* Texas beating Oklahoma 45-12 on a neutral field probably doesnt mean much.

Clemson over Tx A&M = 25-24

* Tx A&M sucks and Clemson is a very solid ACC team huh... with that 1 pt win over Tx A&M ??? at Clemson to boot. This is the same Clemson team that took Miami to (3 OT) one week later..

Miami over Colorado = 23 -3.

* Miami is a great #6 in the nation and Colorado isnt very good huh ?? Texas could of put 60 on Colorado in Austin but called the dogs off when they were up like 35-3 before halftime. I'm glad Miami beat Colorado by 20pts in Miami.

Again... I dont buy into all the BS that sports writer say. The Big-12 aint no good huh because all the sports writer say so huh...???

We'll see here in about a month when the Bowl games start. Something tells me there is going to be some surprises.

[bowiedawgs01]

I read the first page. That's all I need to see of this BS.

One key difference between Texas and Virginia Tech:

Texas HAS BEATEN 4 Top 25 BCS teams.
VaTech MAY BEAT 2 more Top 25 BCS teams in the future.

Come back when VaTech has actually won the games. Don't talk trash with "well IF we win..." That's bush league.

[Texasfrog]

Kermit you are unreal.
Spinning things everyone says that does not agree with you, the sign of a real mature man. Once again I challenge you to point out where I said I was always right, I have been wrong many times, and when I am, I own up to it. You never have, you just attack people and get personel.

The big 10, ACC and SEC are all better confrences because of depth. You say its the reason why Texas HS football is the best, well it is also the reason why the Big 12 is not a top confrence this year, all comes down to depth. The Big 10, ACC and SEC all have it, the Big 12 doesn't.

No Farmerbrown.. I've stated before many times. "I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again." You just have selective reading and went right over it. Nobody is right 100% of the time with football.. Its a game of upsets all the time. I can give you a 100 examples of it.

Was I wrong about Tyler Lee beating Colerian (Ohio).. Yes. I also didnt realize that Tyler Lee wasnt going to be a reflection of their usual self over the past 8 years that makes a 3 to 6 week run into the playoffs.

Tyler Lee didnt even qualify for the playoffs this season and was clearly beaten by several Texas teams alot worse then the mighty Colerain beat them (in OHIO). I'll state by my original post that I've stated for months before the game (REL vs Colerain). Colerain is a good team that would be just another one of about 15 to 20 Texas teams. Just I think there is about 10 or so Texas teams that would beat Colerain without to much of problem.

Last.. I dont buy into alot of East coast or West coast bias voters or sports writers. Some of these mid-level Big-12 teams are alot better then alot of people are thinking.. (Nebraska, Mizzou, Iowa St, Tx A&M and even Baylor) arent too shabby and are about on par with many other Conference mid-level teams.

I'll tell you what.. Boston College is ranked like #19th. I would put Iowa St and even Baylor up against them right now and bet you it would be very very close.

[farmerfan]

Let's see.. I guess :

Texas over Ohio st = 25-22
Iowa St over Iowa = 23-3
Nebraska over Wake Forest = 33-3
Kansas St over Marshall = 21-19 this is the same Marshall team that fought Va Tech for 3 1/2 quarters.

UCLA over Oklahoma = 41-24 game that was tight for 3 qts.

* UCLA is a top #10 and has a great shot of beating USC... also UCLA would crush Miami & Florida St probably worse then what they did to Oklahoma.

* Texas beating Oklahoma 45-12 on a neutral field probably doesnt mean much.

Clemson over Tx A&M = 25-24

* Tx A&M sucks and Clemson is a very solid ACC team huh... with that 1 pt win over Tx A&M ??? at Clemson to boot. This is the same Clemson team that took Miami to (3 OT) one week later..

Miami over Colorado = 23 -3.

* Miami is a great #6 in the nation and Colorado isnt very good huh ?? Texas could of put 60 on Colorado in Austin but called the dogs off when they were up like 35-3 before halftime. I'm glad Miami beat Colorado by 20pts in Miami.

Again... I dont buy into all the BS that sports writer say. The Big-12 aint no good huh because all the sports writer say so huh...???

We'll see here in about a month when the Bowl games start. Something tells me there is going to be some surprises.


Who ever said Clemson was a solid ACC team?
Once again your spining things to fit what you want said.
You talk about how Texas destroyed Colorado, which they did, but you give no credit to Miami holding Colorado to 3 points on a ungodly long field goal.
I dont think anyone on here has stated that FSU or Miami were national title contenders, they just stated that they are good football teams, and they are. Both the ACC and Big 12 have 1 national title contender, I believe that Texas is better then V-Tech, but just because the Big 12's best is better than the ACC's best, does not make the Big 12 the better confrence.
Its overall depth of the confrences that put the BIG 12 behind the other 3. There is a drastic drop off after Texas and Tech. The big 10 will counter with Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Northwestern, the big 12 does not have 6 other teams that fit into that category.
You also like to mention the close game A&M gave Clemson, well what about Texas close game against Ohio State? a team who will probably lose two games in its own confrence this year. You can't have it both ways frog, if you use one criteria to look at why the Big 12 is good, you also have to use the same criteria when looking at why they might not be good.
I dont think I have ever seen a major confrence have teams struggle with D1AA teams like the Big 12 has this year. Nebraska, Okie State and A&M all struggled with 1AA teams, that should never happen but the fact it did is evidence why the Big 12 is down this year.
I dont expect it to stay down, traditionaly the Big 12 is better than the ACC, this year that is not the case,

[farmerfan]

No Farmerbrown.. I've stated before many times. "I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again." You just have selective reading and went right over it. Nobody is right 100% of the time with football.. Its a game of upsets all the time. I can give you a 100 examples of it.

Was I wrong about Tyler Lee beating Colerian (Ohio).. Yes. I also didnt realize that Tyler Lee wasnt going to be a reflection of their usual self over the past 8 years that makes a 3 to 6 week run into the playoffs.

Tyler Lee didnt even qualify for the playoffs this season and was clearly beaten by several Texas teams alot worse then the mighty Colerain beat them (in OHIO). I'll state by my original post that I've stated for months before the game (REL vs Colerain). Colerain is a good team that would be just another one of about 15 to 20 Texas teams. Just I think there is about 10 or so Texas teams that would beat Colerain without to much of problem.

Last.. I dont buy into alot of East coast or West coast bias voters or sports writers. Some of these mid-level Big-12 teams are alot better then alot of people are thinking.. (Nebraska, Mizzou, Iowa St, Tx A&M and even Baylor) arent too shabby and are about on par with many other Conference mid-level teams.

I'll tell you what.. Boston College is ranked like #19th. I would put Iowa St and even Baylor up against them right now and bet you it would be very very close.

I think we can agree on Tyler Lee, no one saw that coming.
I also believe that teams like Westfield, Trinty, Carroll, SGP, Katy, Longview, Lufkin, North Shore, Smithson Valley and Abilene would beat Colerain, so onve again we agree. I think ill stop there, before we find a way to disagree on that.

[Hdshrinker]

Kermit you are unreal.
Spinning things everyone says that does not agree with you, the sign of a real mature man. Once again I challenge you to point out where I said I was always right, I have been wrong many times, and when I am, I own up to it. You never have, you just attack people and get personel.

The big 10, ACC and SEC are all better confrences because of depth. You say its the reason why Texas HS football is the best, well it is also the reason why the Big 12 is not a top confrence this year, all comes down to depth. The Big 10, ACC and SEC all have it, the Big 12 doesn't.


He learned from one of the best....just watch the post and observe....there's a pack that run together doing just that.

[Hdshrinker]

I think him and Junkie are probably sharing the same closet if you know what I mean.. :D



It's interesting to Me that there are only two people on here you are always talking about man sex and *****'s, and putting others down when they disagree with them...spinning the tales to make it look like they are saying one thing when they aren't.....you two make a lovely pair..........and you've got one maybe two on the fringe......


Must because you just can't talk football.

[Reaganrattler07]

It's interesting to Me that there are only two people on here you are always talking about man sex and *****'s, and putting others down when they disagree with them...spinning the tales to make it look like they are saying one thing when they aren't.....you two make a lovely pair..........and you've got one maybe two on the fringe......


Must be cause you just can't talk football.

TexasFrog and Wide were both in the Navy right?

[Hdshrinker]

TexasFrog and Wide were both in the Navy right?



I am laughing like crazy right now.......incredible........


You may be a redskin fan red...but you do have a sense of humor....


*gets ready for the barage of mansex /***** insults *

[Primetime536]

USC and VTech have wins over 2 teams so far.... Texas has 4 wins

1. USC – at #13 Oregon, at #14 Notre Dame
2. Texas – at #10 OhioSt, #15 Texas Tech, #22 Colorado, v. #25 Oklahoma
3. VaTech – at #17 W.Virginia, v. #19 Boston College
4. Alabama - #16 Florida
5. UCLA - #23 California, #25 Oklahoma

6. Miami - #22 Colorado
7. PennSt - #10 OhioSt
8. LSU – #16 Florida, #20 Auburn
9. FSU – #6 Miami, #19 Boston College
10. OhioSt – None

11. Georgia – None
12. Wisconsin – #21 Michigan
13. Oregon – #24 FresnoSt
14. Notre Dame – #21 Michigan
15. Texas Tech – None

16. Florida – #11 Georgia
17. W.Virginia – None
18. TCU – #25 Oklahoma
19. Boston College – None
20. Auburn – None

21. Michigan – #7 PennSt
22. Colorado – None
23. California – None
24. FresnoSt – None
25. Oklahoma – None
ok it doesnt matter, by the end vi tech will have beat more, and usc, hmm thats why they will be 1 and 2

[Reaganrattler07]

I am laughing like crazy right now.......incredible........


You may be a redskin fan red...but you do have a sense of humor....


*gets ready for the barage of mansex /***** insults *

Humor? What humor? :D

I was merely asking if they were or not :)

[FootballJunkie]

I think him and Junkie are probably sharing the same closet if you know what I mean.. :D


This is what I mean...is this football??? Imagine an ex-squid that has a fascination with all things gay!!! Go figure :rolleyes:

[Hdshrinker]

This is what I mean...is this football??? Imagine an ex-squid that has a fascination with all things gay!!! Go figure :rolleyes:


It MUST be football.....it's been redirected here..............I tried to deflect it elsewhere.

[BigArab]

Someone is neglecting to mention that Florida was #4 when Alabama (an unbeaten) beat them.

[Hdshrinker]

Someone is neglecting to mention that Florida was #4 when Alabama (an unbeaten) beat them.



I've noted Alabama is a very good team. They should be in the mix somewhere. As should LSU.......next few weeks are going to be interesting....

[Texasfrog]

Who ever said Clemson was a solid ACC team?
Once again your spining things to fit what you want said.
You talk about how Texas destroyed Colorado, which they did, but you give no credit to Miami holding Colorado to 3 points on a ungodly long field goal.
I dont think anyone on here has stated that FSU or Miami were national title contenders, they just stated that they are good football teams, and they are. Both the ACC and Big 12 have 1 national title contender, I believe that Texas is better then V-Tech, but just because the Big 12's best is better than the ACC's best, does not make the Big 12 the better confrence.
Its overall depth of the confrences that put the BIG 12 behind the other 3. There is a drastic drop off after Texas and Tech. The big 10 will counter with Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Northwestern, the big 12 does not have 6 other teams that fit into that category.
You also like to mention the close game A&M gave Clemson, well what about Texas close game against Ohio State? a team who will probably lose two games in its own confrence this year. You can't have it both ways frog, if you use one criteria to look at why the Big 12 is good, you also have to use the same criteria when looking at why they might not be good.
I dont think I have ever seen a major confrence have teams struggle with D1AA teams like the Big 12 has this year. Nebraska, Okie State and A&M all struggled with 1AA teams, that should never happen but the fact it did is evidence why the Big 12 is down this year.
I dont expect it to stay down, traditionaly the Big 12 is better than the ACC, this year that is not the case,

You even trying to spin that Ohio St & Clemson are in the same ball park is crazy !! Ohio St would destroy Clemson. Ohio St is a top #15 national team ok. Clemson isnt....!!

You trying to compare Texas going to Ohio St (Horseshoe) and playing in a close game too Tx A&M losing a 1 pts game at Clemson is funny.... Sorry bro but that analogy is night to day.

Also... the mighty Florida St lost to a freaking (4-3) Virginia team and was lucky in a couple of other games (Maryland & Miami).

Miami had to pull out a freaking (2 Ot) game over Clemson and lost to Florida St... a team that lost to a (4-3) Virginia team.

I told you already.. Tx A&M isnt that good and neither is Clemson. Both are mid-level national teams at best.. Both are about equal in overall ability on any given Saturday. Both teams are also in the middle of the pack in their own respective conferences (ACC & Big-12).

Clemson has been alot more competitive in the ACC with a couple of (OT) games against Miami & Boston College.

Tx A&M has been a whipping boy most of the year in the Big-12. Blowout losses to (Colorado & Iowa St).

Like I stated before.. we'll see how Florida St does against Clemson (@ Clemson) and Florida.. It wont surprise one bit to see the mighty Florida St go (0-2) in the two week span of away games. You better hope that doesnt happen either because that would knock Florida St out of the top #25.

One game doesnt make another.. But, if you look at the overall head to head games. It doesnt really look like the ACC is better then the Big-12 from top to bottom like alot of you seem to think.

Texas vs Va Tech - toss up game.

Tx Tech vs Fla St - well, honestly I think Tech would beat them hands down.

Colorado vs Miami - Miami proved their better.. especially in Miami.

Oklahoma vs BC - I think OU would beat them.

Nebraska vs Ga Tech - close game

Iowa St vs Maryland - edge to Iowa St.

Tx A&M vs Clemson - Clemson proved they're "1" pt better at Clemson.

Baylor vs Wake Forest - toss up game.

Kansas St vs Virginia - Virginia slightly..

Kansas vs North carolina - toss up in football and Hell of a B-ball game.

Mizzou vs NC State - Mizzou beats them hands down.

Oklahoma St vs Duke - Oklahoma St beats them hands down.


We'll see.. They'll be a couple of Bowl games matching up Big-12 vs ACC teams.

[farmerfan]

You even trying to spin that Ohio St & Clemson are in the same ball park is crazy !! Ohio St would destroy Clemson. Ohio St is a top #15 national team ok. Clemson isnt....!!

You trying to compare Texas going to Ohio St (Horseshoe) and playing in a close game too Tx A&M losing a 1 pts game at Clemson is funny.... Sorry bro but that analogy is night to day.

Also... the mighty Florida St lost to a freaking (4-3) Virginia team and was lucky in a couple of other games (Maryland & Miami).

Miami had to pull out a freaking (2 Ot) game over Clemson and lost to Florida St... a team that lost to a (4-3) Virginia team.

I told you already.. Tx A&M isnt that good and neither is Clemson. Both are mid-level national teams at best.. Both are about equal in overall ability on any given Saturday. Both teams are also in the middle of the pack in their own respective conferences (ACC & Big-12).

Clemson has been alot more competitive in the ACC with a couple of (OT) games against Miami & Boston College.

Tx A&M has been a whipping boy most of the year in the Big-12. Blowout losses to (Colorado & Iowa St).

Like I stated before.. we'll see how Florida St does against Clemson (@ Clemson) and Florida.. It wont surprise one bit to see the mighty Florida St go (0-2) in the two week span of away games. You better hope that doesnt happen either because that would knock Florida St out of the top #25.

One game doesnt make another.. But, if you look at the overall head to head games. It doesnt really look like the ACC is better then the Big-12 from top to bottom like alot of you seem to think.

Texas vs Va Tech - toss up game.

Tx Tech vs Fla St - well, honestly I think Tech would beat them hands down.

Colorado vs Miami - Miami proved their better.. especially in Miami.

Oklahoma vs BC - I think OU would beat them.

Nebraska vs Ga Tech - close game

Iowa St vs Maryland - edge to Iowa St.

Tx A&M vs Clemson - Clemson proved they're "1" pt better at Clemson.

Baylor vs Wake Forest - toss up game.

Kansas St vs Virginia - Virginia slightly..

Kansas vs North carolina - toss up in football and Hell of a B-ball game.

Mizzou vs NC State - Mizzou beats them hands down.

Oklahoma St vs Duke - Oklahoma St beats them hands down.


We'll see.. They'll be a couple of Bowl games matching up Big-12 vs ACC teams.


so much to say, but its just in one hear and out the other. lets just say you should change your name to texasspin.
show me once where I said Clemson and Ohio State were equal or that Clemson was as good as OSU? you love to spin things to whatever fits your desire.

[FootballJunkie]

Capital One Jan. 2 SEC No. 2 vs. Big Ten No. 2 LSU vs. Ohio State
Cotton Jan. 2 Big 12 vs. SEC Texas Tech vs. Auburn
Outback Jan. 2 Big Ten No. 3 vs. SEC Wisconsin vs. Florida
Gator Jan. 2 ACC No. 2 vs. Big East No. 2 Miami (Fla.) vs. Louisville
Liberty Dec. 31 C-USA No. 1 vs. at-large UTEP vs. Texas Christian
Houston Dec. 31 Big 12 No. 5/6 vs. SEC Iowa State vs. South Carolina
Meineke Car Care Dec. 31 ACC vs. Big East Boston College vs. Rutgers
Peach Dec. 30 ACC No. 3 vs. SEC Florida State vs. Georgia
Music City Dec. 30 SEC No. 6/7 vs. Big Ten No. 6 Tennessee vs. Michigan State
Independence Dec. 30 Big 12 vs. SEC Texas A&M vs. Virginia*
Sun Dec. 30 Big Ten No. 5 vs. Pac-10 No. 3 Minnesota vs. California
Holiday Dec. 29 Pac-10 No. 2 vs. Big 12 No. 3 Oregon vs. Colorado
Emerald Dec. 29 MWC vs. Pac-10 No. 6 Colorado State vs. Stanford
Alamo Dec. 28 Big 12 No. 4 vs. Big Ten No. 4 Oklahoma vs. Michigan
MPC Computers Dec. 28 WAC vs. ACC No. 6 Boise State vs. Maryland
Insight Dec. 27 Pac-10 No. 4 vs. Big East Arizona State vs. Pittsburgh
Champs Sports Dec. 27 ACC 4/5 vs. Big 12 No. 7 Georgia Tech vs. Nebraska
Motor City Dec. 26 MAC vs. Big Ten No. 7 Toledo vs. Iowa
Hawaii Dec. 24 C-USA No. 3 vs. WAC Memphis vs. Fresno State
Fort Worth Dec. 23 C-USA No. 4 vs. Big 12 No. 8 Southern Miss vs. Missouri
Poinsettia Dec. 22 MWC vs. at-large BYU vs. Navy
Las Vegas Dec. 22 MWC vs. Pac-10 No. 5 New Mexico vs. Oregon State
GMAC Dec. 21 C-USA No. 2 vs. MAC Tulsa vs. Miami (Ohio)
New Orleans Dec. 20 Sun Belt No. 1 vs. C-USA Louisiana-Monroe vs. Central Florida

Possible matchups if things remain as they are.

[Hdshrinker]

Possible matchups if things remain as they are.



Holy Cow...someone has a little time on their hands.....

[Texasfrog]

Who ever said Clemson was a solid ACC team?
Once again your spining things to fit what you want said.
You talk about how Texas destroyed Colorado, which they did, but you give no credit to Miami holding Colorado to 3 points on a ungodly long field goal.
I dont think anyone on here has stated that FSU or Miami were national title contenders, they just stated that they are good football teams, and they are. Both the ACC and Big 12 have 1 national title contender, I believe that Texas is better then V-Tech, but just because the Big 12's best is better than the ACC's best, does not make the Big 12 the better confrence.
Its overall depth of the confrences that put the BIG 12 behind the other 3. There is a drastic drop off after Texas and Tech. The big 10 will counter with Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Northwestern, the big 12 does not have 6 other teams that fit into that category.
You also like to mention the close game A&M gave Clemson, well what about Texas close game against Ohio State? a team who will probably lose two games in its own confrence this year. You can't have it both ways frog, if you use one criteria to look at why the Big 12 is good, you also have to use the same criteria when looking at why they might not be good.
I dont think I have ever seen a major confrence have teams struggle with D1AA teams like the Big 12 has this year. Nebraska, Okie State and A&M all struggled with 1AA teams, that should never happen but the fact it did is evidence why the Big 12 is down this year.
I dont expect it to stay down, traditionaly the Big 12 is better than the ACC, this year that is not the case,

What is a person suppose to think of that comment ??? You're trying to compare to mid-level teams in both Conferences (ACC) & (Big-12) to two teams that are both in the top #15 ( Texas vs Ohio St).

Also.... dont forget that Texas went to Ohio St to play that game on a Saturday night. Saturday night game in the Horseshoe with a hostile crowd of almost what ... 105,000 or so people. "Not easy for any team" and the fact that Texas did it shows they have some Moxey and character.

So, trying to compare the Tx A&M vs Clemson game to the Texas vs Ohio St game is pretty funny.

[Reaganrattler07]

What is a person suppose to think of that comment ??? You're trying to compare to mid-level teams in both Conferences (ACC) & (Big-12) to two teams that are both in the top #15 ( Texas vs Ohio St).

Also.... dont forget that Texas went to Ohio St to play that game on a Saturday night. Saturday night game in the Horseshoe with a hostile crowd of almost what ... 105,000 or so people. "Not easy for any team" and the fact that Texas did it shows they have some Moxey and character.

So, trying to compare the Tx A&M vs Clemson game to the Texas vs Ohio St game is pretty funny.

The comparison is actually quite a good comparison. A&M played, best I remember on a Saturday night. Clemson is a very hard place to play. And the two (at that time) might've been at about the same team. A&M looked good that night but dropped off significantly after that....

[Texasfrog]

The comparison is actually quite a good comparison. A&M played, best I remember on a Saturday night. Clemson is a very hard place to play. And the two (at that time) might've been at about the same team. A&M looked good that night but dropped off significantly after that....

Ya.. I see the comparision now. hahahahaha.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

The comparison is actually quite a good comparison. A&M played, best I remember on a Saturday night. Clemson is a very hard place to play. And the two (at that time) might've been at about the same team. A&M looked good that night but dropped off significantly after that....

Something else guys...Ohio State had never lost a home night game. And UT walked into one of the most hostile environments and tore that stat/record down, with a wrecking-ball!

It wasn't the prettiest game, but then again some of the best games aren't pretty, their just hard-hitting and exciting!

USC vs Texas spells hard-hitting and excitment! We'll see if Tech is for real Saturday night.....I'm willing to bet they get hit in the mouth, but I could be wrong!

USC's test was Notre Dame....they passed!

UT's test was Ohio State....they passed!

Alabama's test will come against Auburn!

Saturday night will be Virginia Tech's test...I can't wait!

[Hdshrinker]

Something else guys...Ohio State had never lost a home night game. And UT walked into one of the most hostile environments and tore that stat/record down, with a wrecking-ball!

It wasn't the prettiest game, but then again some of the best games aren't pretty, their just hard-hitting and exciting!

USC vs Texas spells hard-hitting and excitment! We'll see if Tech is for real Saturday night.....I'm willing to bet they get hit in the mouth, but I could be wrong!

USC's test was Notre Dame....they passed!

UT's test was Ohio State....they passed!

Alabama's test will come against Auburn!

Saturday night will be Virginia Tech's test...I can't wait!



and if Va Tech passes?

[wide-e-wide]

They get to watch Texas in the Rose Bowl...just like me.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

They get to watch Texas in the Rose Bowl...just like me.

took the words right out of my mouth! ;)

[FootballJunkie]

took the words right out of my mouth! ;)


We will see now won't we ;)

[Hdshrinker]

took the words right out of my mouth! ;)



If they beat Miami this weekend...and by Monday haven't lept Texas in the human polls (the BCS takes awhile to catch up) Then the only way Texas isn't there is if mack remembers that he's mack...and trips up....and as I have said.....that would have to be a great feat this year.....


But I'm keeping the faith.

[gtownowlfootball06]

Are you guys kidding me. A bunch of Texas homers, building up the Big 12 simply because it's Texas' conference. ACC beats Big 12 hands down , especially at this point in the season.Texas Tech better than Florida State!?!?! :confused: :confused: :confused: Florida State seems to have something Texas Tech lacks- a defense. And even if they're QB "couldn't hit the broadside of a barn"(which you are wrong about by the way) their running game is very good. They are Miami's only loss, and no one is putting down Miami for that. I'll say it right now: Virginia Tech would give USC a MUCH better game than Texas. Virginia Tech has the number 3 defense in the nation, and they don't give up 28 points to Oklahoma State. I don't care that Texas came back and won and "Vince Young is so amazing", etc. THEY'RE 3-5!!!! Texas A&M beat them by 40!!!! They didn't even put up 28 points on A&M's defense, ranked 99th in the nation!!! You say who has Virginia Tech played, but honestly, who has Texas played? OSU was 4th at the time, but they were honestly overrated. They have great D, but a very anemic offense. Texas Tech- the most overrated team EVER!!!! They throw the ball every down, whoopee doo. They lose the first time they face anything close to a decent defense and Texas is the best team in the nation. Colorado- got beat by Texas and Miami, but again, overrated. If they were really that great, they would be ranked higher than the 20s. And Oklahoma is a joke to be in the BCS at all. The only reason is that the teams they lost to are a combined 23-1. Their victories haven't been impressive: Tulsa, Nebraska, Kansas State and Baylor(in OT). Texas is beating opponents they should beat, but so is V. Tech. Texas will not slow down USC in the Rose Bowl, if they get there. V. Tech, heck, even Ohio State, would give USC a better game.

[FootballJunkie]

I could no have said it better myself!!

[dada]

Are you guys kidding me. A bunch of Texas homers, building up the Big 12 simply because it's Texas' conference. ACC beats Big 12 hands down , especially at this point in the season.Texas Tech better than Florida State!?!?! :confused: :confused: :confused: Florida State seems to have something Texas Tech lacks- a defense. And even if they're QB "couldn't hit the broadside of a barn"(which you are wrong about by the way) their running game is very good. They are Miami's only loss, and no one is putting down Miami for that. I'll say it right now: Virginia Tech would give USC a MUCH better game than Texas. Virginia Tech has the number 3 defense in the nation, and they don't give up 28 points to Oklahoma State. I don't care that Texas came back and won and "Vince Young is so amazing", etc. THEY'RE 3-5!!!! Texas A&M beat them by 40!!!! They didn't even put up 28 points on A&M's defense, ranked 99th in the nation!!! You say who has Virginia Tech played, but honestly, who has Texas played? OSU was 4th at the time, but they were honestly overrated. They have great D, but a very anemic offense. Texas Tech- the most overrated team EVER!!!! They throw the ball every down, whoopee doo. They lose the first time they face anything close to a decent defense and Texas is the best team in the nation. Colorado- got beat by Texas and Miami, but again, overrated. If they were really that great, they would be ranked higher than the 20s. And Oklahoma is a joke to be in the BCS at all. The only reason is that the teams they lost to are a combined 23-1. Their victories haven't been impressive: Tulsa, Nebraska, Kansas State and Baylor(in OT). Texas is beating opponents they should beat, but so is V. Tech. Texas will not slow down USC in the Rose Bowl, if they get there. V. Tech, heck, even Ohio State, would give USC a better game.
And NEW Hater of the Week!!!!!!!

[dragonfootballfan]

I read the first page. That's all I need to see of this BS.

One key difference between Texas and Virginia Tech:

Texas HAS BEATEN 4 Top 25 BCS teams.
VaTech MAY BEAT 2 more Top 25 BCS teams in the future.

Come back when VaTech has actually won the games. Don't talk trash with "well IF we win..." That's bush league.
That is exactly why I posted it. With all the talk about Texas playing a "weak" schedule, I just wanted to show that they have played a very tough schedule and to this point of the season it is definitely tougher than the schedule that VaTech or USC has played.

[FootballJunkie]

And NEW Hater of the Week!!!!!!!

Why is it that if you don't wax poetic about UT you are a hater. 119 DI schools my friend UT is not the end all. :p

[dada]

Why is it that if you don't wax poetic about UT you are a hater. 119 DI schools my friend UT is not the end all. :p
I'm not even a big fan of UT...but usually when some one digs THAT deep to find something negative about a person....either the guy beat him up real bad or stole his girlfriend. "They only beat them by 28".......hillarious

[Hdshrinker]

I'm not even a big fan of UT...but usually when some one digs THAT deep to find something negative about a person....either the guy beat him up real bad or stole his girlfriend. "They only beat them by 28".......hillarious




Will all this hating on everyone but Texas stop after Va Tech beats Miami?

[dada]

Will all this hating on everyone but Texas stop after Va Tech beats Miami?
Probably wont stop until a National Champion is crowned....

[Hdshrinker]

Probably wont stop until a National Champion is crowned....



I've a bet but I doubt it'll be honored....nothing else has that has been said...



That it won't be Texas

[dada]

I've a bet but I doubt it'll be honored....nothing else has that has been said...



That it won't be Texas
It wont be Va tech either. The ONLY team that can spoil Texas' Rose Bowl plans are A&M....other than that...Unless Va Tech beats Miami and FSU with a combined scores of 96-6.....Texas will be back in Pasadena. I have a funny feeling UCLA will have a say in who the Longhorns will play.

[Hdshrinker]

It wont be Va tech either. The ONLY team that can spoil Texas' Rose Bowl plans are A&M....other than that...Unless Va Tech beats Miami and FSU with a combined scores of 96-6.....Texas will be back in Pasadena. I have a funny feeling UCLA will have a say in who the Longhorns will play.


Va tech will beat them both......if they don't leap Texas in the human polls by Monday, you are right...it wont be Va Tech.


I dont think you have to worry about A&M..... the natives are grumbling at A&M...... Fran better not have another year like this year next year.

[dada]

Va tech will beat them both......if they don't leap Texas in the human polls by Monday, you are right...it wont be Va Tech.


I dont think you have to worry about A&M..... the natives are grumbling at A&M...... Fran better not have another year like this year next year.
IF Va Tech beats them both, it would have to be CONVINCINGLY....or it will be hard to put them ahead of Texas. Remember, unlike Auburn last year, Texas STARTED the season #2 and like they say about USC, Texas will be #2 until someone beats them. The A&M game wont be easy.

[FootballJunkie]

Va tech will beat them both......if they don't leap Texas in the human polls by Monday, you are right...it wont be Va Tech.


I dont think you have to worry about A&M..... the natives are grumbling at A&M...... Fran better not have another year like this year next year.

Yea the natives in College Station are grumbling. Are they saying RC,RC,RC :D

[Hdshrinker]

IF Va Tech beats them both, it would have to be CONVINCINGLY....or it will be hard to put them ahead of Texas. Remember, unlike Auburn last year, Texas STARTED the season #2 and like they say about USC, Texas will be #2 until someone beats them. The A&M game wont be easy.


I hope you're right about the A&M game. I'll be there, and I would like to see a good game.

[dada]

I hope you're right about the A&M game. I'll be there, and I would like to see a good game.
I would like to see the Horns win....Then Beat Colorado again here in Houston

[wide-e-wide]

I never hate on VaTech...they are solid team.
Do I think they could beat Texas?....no
Do I think they could come withing 20 of Texas....no

All the praise I give UT is 25+ years in the waiting.
I finally have a chance to say..."The Longhorns are the
best team in the country" And I am going to say it...
and say it LOUD...until somebody shuts me up.

When Texas loses (which they won't) I will shut up about it.

[FootballJunkie]

I never hate on VaTech...they are solid team.
Do I think they could beat Texas?....no
Do I think they could come withing 20 of Texas....no

All the praise I give UT is 25+ years in the waiting.
I finally have a chance to say..."The Longhorns are the
best team in the country" And I am going to say it...
and say it LOUD...until somebody shuts me up.

When Texas loses (which they won't) I will shut up about it.

I know you are a homer and all but get real!! Not come within 20 points :rolleyes: Not beat them? Better wake up now because you are dreaming!!
You can SAY UT is the best all you want but no ring on anyones finger for 2005 just yet!! :D [IMG]

[gtownowlfootball06]

I never hate on VaTech...they are solid team.
Do I think they could beat Texas?....no
Do I think they could come withing 20 of Texas....no

All the praise I give UT is 25+ years in the waiting.
I finally have a chance to say..."The Longhorns are the
best team in the country" And I am going to say it...
and say it LOUD...until somebody shuts me up.

When Texas loses (which they won't) I will shut up about it.

VA Tech not within 20 points of Texas!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! VA Tech's defense is AMAZING. Way better than even Ohio State's, and you saw what they did to Texas. This game would be a much tougher challenge for Texas than OSU was, and that was a 2 point game. Not within 20? Neither of these team would probably even score 20. This game would be won by a maximum of 10, probably 7 or 3. Last score wins, but only if Texas defense didn't pull an OK St. Let VA Tech get up by 28 and you aren't coming back.

[Lee05]

VA Tech not within 20 points of Texas!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! VA Tech's defense is AMAZING. Way better than even Ohio State's, and you saw what they did to Texas. This game would be a much tougher challenge for Texas than OSU was, and that was a 2 point game. Not within 20? Neither of these team would probably even score 20. This game would be won by a maximum of 10, probably 7 or 3. Last score wins, but only if Texas defense didn't pull an OK St. Let VA Tech get up by 28 and you aren't coming back.

how do you know how good va techs defense is? their schedule is SOFT, i'm not saying they don't have a good defense but nobody can give an honest opinion of them thus far in the season. the best team they've played this season is boston college, who's losing to north carolina right now 13-7. sure they might have AMAZING defense, but how do you really know? texas would look unbeatable after playing vt's opponents until now, just keep the exaggerated posts on the downlow until after the game tonight.

[FootballJunkie]

how do you know how good va techs defense is? their schedule is SOFT, i'm not saying they don't have a good defense but nobody can give an honest opinion of them thus far in the season. the best team they've played this season is boston college, who's losing to north carolina right now 13-7. sure they might have AMAZING defense, but how do you really know? texas would look unbeatable after playing vt's opponents until now, just keep the exaggerated posts on the downlow until after the game tonight.

Come on dude get off it. Not like ULL and RICE are powerhouses. Texas Tech is the best offense UT has faced and they gave up almost 500 yards so lets not go there OK :rolleyes:

[Lee05]

Come on dude get off it. Not like ULL and RICE are powerhouses. Texas Tech is the best offense UT has faced and they gave up almost 500 yards so lets not go there OK :rolleyes:

get off what? i never said texas's defense was amazing either, but texas's schedule IS stronger at this point. all i said was you cant tell va tech's defense is "OMG AMAZING LOL" at this point, what am i "on" exactly? it seems like all you do here is start stupid arguments with people because you have some anti texas stigma, hello i'm stating facts and if you have a problem with it plz correct me.

[Texasfrog]

how do you know how good va techs defense is? their schedule is SOFT, i'm not saying they don't have a good defense but nobody can give an honest opinion of them thus far in the season. the best team they've played this season is boston college, who's losing to north carolina right now 13-7. sure they might have AMAZING defense, but how do you really know? texas would look unbeatable after playing vt's opponents until now, just keep the exaggerated posts on the downlow until after the game tonight.

Dont try to talk sense to this loser. He has that "inferiority complex" when it comes to Texas.

We'll see tonight how good Va Tech really is. Miami is a pretty solid team. Va Tech gets to enjoy a huge "homefield advantage" during a Saturday Night game.

So, Va Tech should be dominating because they have all the intangable odds in their favor tonight. ( Homefield night game)

[wide-e-wide]

I know you are a homer and all but get real!! Not come within 20 points :rolleyes: Not beat them? Better wake up now because you are dreaming!!
You can SAY UT is the best all you want but no ring on anyones finger for 2005 just yet!! :D [IMG]


c'mon ...say something really stupid...so we can laugh at you after Miami wins...

[bowiedawgs01]

c'mon ...say something really stupid...so we can laugh at you after Miami wins...

hahahahahahaha

pwn3d

[wide-e-wide]

c'mon ...say something really stupid...so we can laugh at you after Miami wins...


Ladies ....and Gentlemen

Wide has spoken....

So it has been said....
So it shall be done...
that in this our finest hour...
There is but one...

and my brothers...his name is Superman...and he wears #10

[Primetime536]

c'mon ...say something really stupid...so we can laugh at you after Miami wins...
ok, ummmm, BAMA OVER UT!!!

[wide-e-wide]

ok, ummmm, BAMA OVER UT!!!

I said say something stupid....not something funny...

[Primetime536]

I said say something stupid....not something funny...
ok, um, VY tears is acl mcl and pcl against colorado, colorado wins the big 12, Texas still gets a bcs bowl, and losses to the rep. from the big east.....better?

[bowiedawgs01]

Why even post something like that?

Edit: I forgot to add that you're a classless a$$ for that comment. Even if meant to be funny, you don't joke about that sh*t.

[wide-e-wide]

Why even post something like that?

Edit: I forgot to add that you're a classless a$$ for that comment. Even if meant to be funny, you don't joke about that sh*t.


I agree...plus ....kryptonite is their only hope...

[HOOKEM]

Va tech will beat them both......if they don't leap Texas in the human polls by Monday, you are right...it wont be Va Tech.


I dont think you have to worry about A&M..... the natives are grumbling at A&M...... Fran better not have another year like this year next year.

Feeling a little stupid this morning are we?

Bet shrunken head gets a little more quiet as the year goes on.

[Texasfrog]

Did someone really say that FSU and A&M were on the same page? well by your logic, of comparing the FSU score with Clemson to the A&M score, lets remember first that Colorado blasted A&M, this is same Colorado who got blasted by Miami, the same Miami who lost to FSU. SO by using your own theory FSU would destroy A&M.
Also all you ever have done is use the Wake Forrest argument, well dont forget head to head that the ACC is 2-1, and that outsie of UT and TT, that this confrence is not that strong. Many respected analysist have state that the ACC is on par with the SEC this year, and I would tend to agree. Of course if you dont agree with frog then you are just a clown. So i guess i will go out and buy some flat red shoes and a big red nose.

That statement isnt holding alot of water today is it ? I can give you a 27-7 reason why I think Colorado isnt that bad of a team because they lost to Miami (in Miami) 23-3.

[Texasfrog]

Who ever said Clemson was a solid ACC team?
Once again your spining things to fit what you want said.
You talk about how Texas destroyed Colorado, which they did, but you give no credit to Miami holding Colorado to 3 points on a ungodly long field goal. I dont think anyone on here has stated that FSU or Miami were national title contenders, they just stated that they are good football teams, and they are. Both the ACC and Big 12 have 1 national title contender, I believe that Texas is better then V-Tech, but just because the Big 12's best is better than the ACC's best, does not make the Big 12 the better confrence.
Its overall depth of the confrences that put the BIG 12 behind the other 3. There is a drastic drop off after Texas and Tech. The big 10 will counter with Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Northwestern, the big 12 does not have 6 other teams that fit into that category.
You also like to mention the close game A&M gave Clemson, well what about Texas close game against Ohio State? a team who will probably lose two games in its own confrence this year. You can't have it both ways frog, if you use one criteria to look at why the Big 12 is good, you also have to use the same criteria when looking at why they might not be good.
I dont think I have ever seen a major confrence have teams struggle with D1AA teams like the Big 12 has this year. Nebraska, Okie State and A&M all struggled with 1AA teams, that should never happen but the fact it did is evidence why the Big 12 is down this year.
I dont expect it to stay down, traditionaly the Big 12 is better than the ACC, this year that is not the case,

Do you want to reconsider that statement ?? Maybe Colorado is a little better then what you think huh...??

Just think.... Colorado played Miami at the Orange Bowl and lost 23-3.

Miami went to Va Tech and kicked them upside the head 27-7 and the only reason it wasnt a shutout was because Miami was playing a "soft" defense in the last couple of minutes and gave up a trash touchdown are it would of been 27-0 !!!! :eek:

[farmerfan]

Do you want to reconsider that statement ?? Maybe Colorado is a little better then what you think huh...??

Just think.... Colorado played Miami at the Orange Bowl and lost 23-3.

Miami went to Va Tech and kicked them upside the head 27-7 and the only reason it wasnt a shutout was because Miami was playing a "soft" defense in the last couple of minutes and gave up a trash touchdown are it would of been 27-0 !!!! :eek:


frog
by your standards that is a blowout, remember that wake forest game you love to bring up, well Miami kicked the crap out of colorado, whats the difference? and what is your point? I said that both Texas and Miami destroyed Colorado, did they not? I dont know what you are trying to prove here.

[farmerfan]

That statement isnt holding alot of water today is it ? I can give you a 27-7 reason why I think Colorado isnt that bad of a team because they lost to Miami (in Miami) 23-3.


that statement was used to show you why a&M would not beat Florida State. That was using your logic that is allowed for ACC teams but not for the big 12 teams once again twisting words I said to fit what you wish it said, go back and reread my statement, the one line you have bolded is twisted by you to fit your desire, you took the whole thing out of context.
That statement was to use your own logic as to why A&M would not beat fsu.

[HOOKEM]

VA Tech not within 20 points of Texas!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! VA Tech's defense is AMAZING. Way better than even Ohio State's, and you saw what they did to Texas. This game would be a much tougher challenge for Texas than OSU was, and that was a 2 point game. Not within 20? Neither of these team would probably even score 20. This game would be won by a maximum of 10, probably 7 or 3. Last score wins, but only if Texas defense didn't pull an OK St. Let VA Tech get up by 28 and you aren't coming back.

Yes obewon they really are amazing......NOT.

[Texasfrog]

that statement was used to show you why a&M would not beat Florida State. That was using your logic that is allowed for ACC teams but not for the big 12 teams once again twisting words I said to fit what you wish it said, go back and reread my statement, the one line you have bolded is twisted by you to fit your desire, you took the whole thing out of context.
That statement was to use your own logic as to why A&M would not beat fsu.

A&M ???? Ya right.. you were trying to knock Colorado by trying to say they werent that good because they only scored 3 pts on Miami and giving up 23.

Now that really doesnt hold alot of water since Miami kicked the mighty ACC team (Va Tech) upside the head 27-7 on Va Tech homefield.

Dont say you were trying to make a point about Tx A&M.... I've already told you Tx A&M is pathetic. Tx Tech just put 50 something on them. Colorado put something like 50 on them.

But, if you put Tx A&M on the field with Florida St (Right now) it would be a pretty good game. Niether team is very good. Zero offense. If anything Florida St defense is slightly better.

Clemson beat Tx A&M by "1" point at Clemson. Not actually a blowout win and they had to kick a long fg with like 4 seconds to win it.

Ok.... Florida St vs Tx Tech ??? who wins ??? I say Tx Tech would put 45 on them and they would keep Florida St to about 17 pts.

Tx Tech = 45
Florida St= 17

Tx Tech vs Miami.... tough game. Tx Tech offense might give Miami some headaches.

Boston College vs Iowa St... toss up game. Honestly I think Iowa St would take them.

Shoot... I think Kansas would play down for down with Boston College.

[Texasfrog]

frog
by your standards that is a blowout, remember that wake forest game you love to bring up, well Miami kicked the crap out of colorado, whats the difference? and what is your point? I said that both Texas and Miami destroyed Colorado, did they not? I dont know what you are trying to prove here.

You were trying to make a point that Colorado was some weak lower tier team because they lost to Texas and Miami....

That was until the mighty all powerful Va Tech got kicked upside the head by Miami 27-7 at Blacksburg, Va.

Colorado is a legit top #25 team... Somewhere in the #16 -- #20 range. And watch they'll have a tough scrappy game with Iowa St this weekend. Of coarse I think Iowa St is knocking on the door of about #25th in the nation.

Iowa St and Boston College are about equal with each other...

[farmerfan]

You were trying to make a point that Colorado was some weak lower tier team because they lost to Texas and Miami....

That was until the mighty all powerful Va Tech got kicked upside the head by Miami 27-7 at Blacksburg, Va.

Colorado is a legit top #25 team... Somewhere in the #16 -- #20 range. And watch they'll have a tough scrappy game with Iowa St this weekend. Of coarse I think Iowa St is knocking on the door of about #25th in the nation.

Iowa St and Boston College are about equal with each other...


reread the statements I said and why I posted it. You were going on and on about head to head and this team beating that team so this other team would beat this team and on and on.
I was using your own logic comparing Colorado who beat A&M bad, but lost to Miami who lost to FSU. Did that not happen? yes, so by going on your logic I was telling you no way in hell A&M gets close to FSU. Reread the post and your post on this thread, I was using your own criteria, but of course you wouldnt see that cause all you do is twist things to say what you wish they did.

[farmerfan]

A&M ???? Ya right.. you were trying to knock Colorado by trying to say they werent that good because they only scored 3 pts on Miami and giving up 23.

Now that really doesnt hold alot of water since Miami kicked the mighty ACC team (Va Tech) upside the head 27-7 on Va Tech homefield.

Dont say you were trying to make a point about Tx A&M.... I've already told you Tx A&M is pathetic. Tx Tech just put 50 something on them. Colorado put something like 50 on them.

But, if you put Tx A&M on the field with Florida St (Right now) it would be a pretty good game. Niether team is very good. Zero offense. If anything Florida St defense is slightly better.

Clemson beat Tx A&M by "1" point at Clemson. Not actually a blowout win and they had to kick a long fg with like 4 seconds to win it.

Ok.... Florida St vs Tx Tech ??? who wins ??? I say Tx Tech would put 45 on them and they would keep Florida St to about 17 pts.

Tx Tech = 45
Florida St= 17

Tx Tech vs Miami.... tough game. Tx Tech offense might give Miami some headaches.

Boston College vs Iowa St... toss up game. Honestly I think Iowa St would take them.

Shoot... I think Kansas would play down for down with Boston College.

that is exactly why that statment was used, you said that A&M would beat FSU, and you were going on and on about why Nebraska would beat so man yteams in the ACC cause they beat Wake Forest. So i was taking your statement and using your logic as to why A&M would not beat Florida State. Once again the master spinner at it again taking a statement and totally twisting it into something it did not mean.

[Texasfrog]

that is exactly why that statment was used, you said that A&M would beat FSU, and you were going on and on about why Nebraska would beat so man yteams in the ACC cause they beat Wake Forest. So i was taking your statement and using your logic as to why A&M would not beat Florida State. Once again the master spinner at it again taking a statement and totally twisting it into something it did not mean.

Spin ??? I dont see how you can try to argue a point about Tx A&M ?? They traveled to Clemson and lost to Clemson by 1 point. Clemson played Miami to a (2OT) game at Clemson.

We'll see how Florida St does at Clemson this week...(??) Something tells me that Clemson is going to beat them (somewhat easy) if Florida St playes like they've been playing. They have almost (ZERO) offense and their defense (is really average). They're still over-rated (IMO).

I think Tx A&M vs Florida St would be a very CLOSE, SLOPPY, and UGLY looking game. I think both teams are somewhat "EVEN" because both are pretty pathetic right now.

Nebraska ..... do I think that Nebraska who is (2-4) in Big-12 play could go into the ACC and be a (4-4) type of ACC team in Conference. Yes, I do.

I think Nebraska is on par with teams like Wake Forest (they beat them), North Carolina St, Virginia, North Carolina and Boston College. Yes !!!!

Shoot... I think Nebraska vs Ga Tech would be a tough game. Edge probably slightly to Ga Tech (slightly)..

[Primetime536]

Why even post something like that?

Edit: I forgot to add that you're a classless a$$ for that comment. Even if meant to be funny, you don't joke about that sh*t.
classless, it was JOKE...god, how rediculous, i was asked to say something stupid, there you have it.