Great News For 19-5a Football Fans!!

[Drake]

I heard, from a pretty reliable source, that they'll be a really nice write up in Tuesday's Houston Chronicle about one of 19-5a's varsity football teams!

[AHS Mustangs]

By your posting this I am going to guess that it is Strake...Making it to the playoffs for the first time and all...

[Drake]

I promised I wouldn't say... Otherwise, you might not buy the paper to find out! ;)

[SmilinTiger]

I heard, from a pretty reliable source, that they'll be a really nice write up in Tuesday's Houston Chronicle about one of 19-5a's varsity football teams!

The Chronicle is a socialist organization that likes to spread the wealth. They feel the "real team" in 19-5A has too many press clippings anyway.

[OfficerCartman]

I thought the "good news" would be that the games would be made up after all. Oh well.

[SmilinTiger]

I thought the "good news" would be that the games would be made up after all. Oh well.

That would not please StrakeDrake at all.

[Drake]

The Chronicle is a socialist organization that likes to spread the wealth. They feel the "real team" in 19-5A has too many press clippings anyway.

I wouldn't know, I don't take the Chronicle... But if I'm in the mood for "fair & balanced" football coverage, I WILL pick up a KATY TIMES once in awhile. :rolleyes:

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Regardless of what you think about the whole 195a situation, you have to hand it to StrakeDrake. He is very convicted in his beliefs and has made this board very interesting.

[tigersdad09]

I wouldn't know, I don't take the Chronicle... But if I'm in the mood for "fair & balanced" football coverage, I WILL pick up a KATY TIMES once in awhile. :rolleyes:

hince the name KATY TIMES.... ...lol just messing with you Strake Drake....I do hope the Chronicle does write a nice article about Strakes program....cause we all know how they feel about Katy's.

[eltigre]

How VERY sad that the "Hurricane Games" were not allowed to be played.
Come the end of the season, a couple of teams, of the 4 that voted NOT to play the games, will wish they would have..........ask the players, parents, and fans.......they would definitely would have liked to make-up the games, just like ALL the other HS football teams did in the Houston area EXCEPT 19-5A........Strake, Hastings, Elsik, and Alief Taylor voted NOT to play and the 4 Katy ISD teams voted TO play the games......and, I guess there up to be a majority FOR to play the games..........how sad....Administrators ruining things again for our kids!

Strake, many Katy fans are hoping you guys win and win until we can get another chance to play. It would be alot of fun and a good game indeed! Good luck in the playoffs!

[Drake]

Regardless of what you think about the whole 195a situation, you have to hand it to StrakeDrake. He is very convicted in his beliefs and has made this board very interesting.

I wasn't much of a Strake fan until I started attending their games this season. I've become more of one each week. Setting aside all the controversy, these kids and coaches have overcome a lot this season and, even if they don't win another game this year, deserve everyone's admiration for it. Katy fans were hopefully picking against them each week for obvious reasons, but I would venture that the Strake boys have exceeded even their own fans expectations by beating the odds most weeks. If you've seen their games you know they aren't cocky, don't taunt, and never get hang their heads (they've trailed in most of their games)... They just keep at it until the final gun sounds. Those on these boards that question their character or call them cowards do not know this team.

You see a group like this week in and week out and you can't help but support them, which I do. I even notice some Katy fans giving them their due... Coming from the fans of such a great program like Katy's, it means something and is appreciated...

[rwilleby]

I heard, from a pretty reliable source, that they'll be a really nice write up in Tuesday's Houston Chronicle about one of 19-5a's varsity football teams!
Maybe it'll be both fair and balanced...

But what can the Chronicle really say in a NICE write up about 19 5A?

Strake's the Cinderella team, undefeated, co-district champions (maybe), rah rah rah...

Katy always wins so there's no news there, oh and they're co-district champions also...

and the rest of 19 5A barely makes the cut, so who cares...

I hope I don't have to go out and buy a bird and a bird cage to put this article to good use...

On another note: Strake, you really did earn your 8 wins... For that I say, "Good Job"...

[eltigre]

I've never and will never knock the players, parents, or fans of SJ....only those that decided NOT to play the Hurricane Game......yes, SJ has had a very good season......oversome adversity......but, no one can seem to answer these 2 questions:

Who made the final decision to vote NO when asked to make-up the Katy game? and,

Why did Strake vote NO about playing the postponed game, when all other games in the area were made up?

Oh well, time to let it go and hope that SJ wins their side of the draw!

Go Crusaders Go!

[ktCarl]

Regardless of what you think about the whole 195a situation, you have to hand it to StrakeDrake. He is very convicted in his beliefs and has made this board very interesting.


HE?! I thought StrakeDrake was a female! I mean with all the arguing it was like discussing something with my wife.

I'm glad my wife doesn't read these forums. Whew! :eek:

[Drake]

HE?! I thought StrakeDrake was a female! I mean with all the arguing it was like discussing something with my wife.

I'm glad my wife doesn't read these forums. Whew! :eek:

Admit it Carl, it wasn't all our arguing that reminded you of your wife, it was you never getting the last word!... :D

[kttigersrock]

If I'm not mistaken, Strake wins this battle. Seems I recall Strake being featured in at least 2 Moronicle articles already this year (this one will make 3), vs. Katy's 0. Oh well :o .

As far as on the field, all I can say is.... Strake deserves their props for making it undefeated to this point. They have played the games that were laid out in front of them and they took care of business. Cinco Ranch is one last hurdle before the playoffs. I've seen Strake play this year and they have talent, discipline, and great coaching.

As a Katy fan, it will obviously leave a bad taste in my mouth IF there should be a 'shared' District title. However, as a Katy fan, I have also become used to looking at the season as 'starting' the first week of the playoffs.

As a representative of 19-5A, I wish Strake all the luck in the upcoming playoffs, and, should Katy and Strake finally meet on the field - it would mean that no matter how 'down' our district is this year, the two best Div 2 teams in Reg III came out of 19-5A.

See you down the road!

[ktCarl]

Admit it Carl, it wasn't all our arguing that reminded you of your wife, it was you never getting the last word!... :D

That's hitting the nail on the head!

[Fleeman93]

I wasn't much of a Strake fan until I started attending their games this season. I've become more of one each week. Setting aside all the controversy, these kids and coaches have overcome a lot this season and, even if they don't win another game this year, deserve everyone's admiration for it. Katy fans were hopefully picking against them each week for obvious reasons, but I would venture that the Strake boys have exceeded even their own fans expectations by beating the odds most weeks. If you've seen their games you know they aren't cocky, don't taunt, and never get hang their heads (they've trailed in most of their games)... They just keep at it until the final gun sounds. Those on these boards that question their character or call them cowards do not know this team.

You see a group like this week in and week out and you can't help but support them, which I do. I even notice some Katy fans giving them their due... Coming from the fans of such a great program like Katy's, it means something and is appreciated...

Cowards don't deserve a damn thing in my book.

[htownfootball]

the article is out on the chronicle's high school sports section. it's good and coach counter himself tells about the hurricane rita/katy game controversey. and its so rude to call this man a coward. after a heart attack and several key players go down you think he wants to risk more? hell no. i disagree but oh well cause i wanted the katy game to happen.
and why isnt there gonna be a coin toss if katy and strake go 9-0 next week?

[rwilleby]

Great news... for SJ not 19 5A...

The 19 5A part...

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The Katy part...

Also, the Crusaders won't have to play Katy, ranked third in the area. (Sixth in the state)

The teams were scheduled to meet the week Hurricane Rita blew through and — after a meeting to decide on whether to make up that week's games — the eight district schools deadlocked at 4-4 on the vote. (Read as LLLL WWWW)

Thus, no makeup games. (How did the L's get their way?)

Counter said he was relieved more because of his team's injuries than he was from dodging the Tigers. (Right)

"We didn't want to play four games in 16 days, which is what the plan would have been," Counter said. (But didn't bring an option)

The SJ part...
Everything else... "This is a resilient group of guys," Bandy said. "We've overcome so much adversity this year. We're so strong."

StrakeDrake, it really was "Great News For 19-5a Football Fans!!"...

[Drake]

rwilleby...

Okay, I was just trying to be creative and get attention with the title, but...

The article did explain that SJ had not played Katy and that this helped SJ, which is a round-a-bout compliment to Katy. No?

Coach Counter said SJ voted NO primarily because SJ was not prepared to play 4 games in 16 days. Now I know you'll say "everyone else would have had to do the same thing". BUT, Katy for instance, has nearly 70 SENIORS on their team. Don't you think playing 4 games in 16 days would be a much more daunting task for a team with less than 40 kids total (Strake) versus one with 70 SENIORS and more?

With a lot of luck SJ beat Hastings, a much larger school with a much larger team, 14-13. Had the make-up schedule been approved, SJ would have had to play Katy 3 days prior to Hastings. There was not only a very good chance Katy would have beaten Strake, but I believe having to do that would have made a difference in the Hastings game as well. While the plan may not have been an advantage for KISD schools, it certainly was a severe DISADVANTAGE for Strake. I still believe most that say they'd "play anyway" when their team is at such a disadvantage are either being intellectually dishonest or would be poor decision makers .

Regardless, the situation and rules for the vote were laid out before the vote. Strake would have played the make-up game had the pro-makeups won the vote. A tie (4-4) meant no make-ups. The "W"s, as you call them, didn't "WIN" the vote, at least according to the rules laid out prior to it. Strake was only ONE of FOUR teams that voted NO. You not accepting its results does not invalidate it.

Now, for those of you that like to make personal attacks and call people cowards... Coach Counter, a Katy resident, a good coach, and fine man has now explained in a public forum (The Houston Chronicle) why SJ voted the way they did... Unless someone has evidence he is not being truthful, I submit that he deserves to be taken at his word.

[ktrain]

Looks like he said exactly what we have been saying all along. He voted no because he didn't want to play Katy.

[rwilleby]

Okay, I was just trying to be creative and get attention with the title, but...I figuered that, but when you do you draw in the other 19 5A fans (Katy, specificaally me) with a title like that it's like you're rubbing SJ's great season in our face... And their season is GOOD... They have accomplished a lot...

The article did explain that SJ had not played Katy and that this helped SJ, which is a round-a-bout compliment to Katy. No?Well. something like, "hey you look really thin for someone 10' tall" is a compliment too, until you think about what they said...

Coach Counter said SJ voted NO primarily because SJ was not prepared to play 4 games in 16 days. Now I know you'll say "everyone else would have had to do the same thing". BUT, Katy for instance, has nearly 70 SENIORS on their team. Don't you think playing 4 games in 16 days would be a much more daunting task for a team with less than 40 kids total (Strake) versus one with 70 SENIORS and more?Other districts have worked things out... Some are still playing makeups... So are you saying that there was only one way to go with this? Or was it a quick out, just in time?

With a lot of luck SJ beat Hastings, a much larger school with a much larger team, 14-13. Had the make-up schedule been approved, SJ would have had to play Katy 3 days prior to Hastings. There was not only a very good chance Katy would have beaten Strake, but I believe having to do that would have made a difference in the Hastings game as well. While the plan may not have been an advantage for KISD schools, it certainly was a severe DISADVANTAGE for Strake. I still believe most that say they'd "play anyway" when their team is at such a disadvantage are either being intellectually dishonest or would be poor decision makers .Then you work something out... you just don't take your ball and go home and then have the gall to brag about being undefeated or possibly co-district champs...

Regardless, the situation and rules for the vote were laid out before the vote. Strake would have played the make-up game had the pro-makeups won the vote. A tie (4-4) meant no make-ups. The "W"s, as you call them, didn't "WIN" the vote, at least according to the rules laid out prior to it. Strake was only ONE of FOUR teams that voted NO. You not accepting its results does not invalidate it.This isn't just about SJ, the Alief teams ran from this deal too... So out of four NO votes, not one of the four schools could come up with any way to play these games? I just find that hard to believe unless the NO vote is self serving... But that's just my opinion... Wasn't there, really doesn't matter at this point...

Now, for those of you that like to make personal attacks and call people cowards... Coach Counter, a Katy resident, a good coach, and fine man has now explained in a public forum (The Houston Chronicle) why SJ voted the way they did... Unless someone has evidence he is not being truthful, I submit that he deserves to be taken at his word.Personal attacks, I didn't do it... It's not a personal thing... It's a principle thing... I'm glad SJ is doing well... I wish all of 19 5A were playing better than they are... It makes for a better season when the competition is kicked up a notch...

At the end of the day, when this thread has died, if both SJ and Katy go undefeated, it would be a real shame for the Katy players to be forced to share the District Championship with SJ knowing that the SJ admin's had a say in not having to face Katy and risk adding a loss to their record... The District Title is not the end of the world... I didn't do anything to earn it, you didn't do anything to earn it and SJ didn't do anything to earn it... It's really just that simple... So if you vote not to play, for whatever reason, you should not be rewarded the spoiles of war without having to fight...

[Tut]

Nice homey article about Strake...also a kiss of "bye, bye baby" similar to the cover of SI. When the Chronicle writes good things about teams close to and during early playoff rounds they don't last long. The players have had a great year. Hope you make it farther in the po's than I think so we can finally get our game in.

[Drake]

Then you work something out... you just don't take your ball and go home and then have the gall to brag about being undefeated or possibly co-district champs...


rwilleby... I wasn't at the vote, assuming you weren't either. I'm willing to bet however that the parameters of the vote were laid out before hand and ONE of them was that if the vote was a tie, the games would NOT be made up... I doubt many would have agreed to a vote if the parameters were "we keep making new plans and voting on them until it comes out the way certain schools want it to..."

I don't believe any Strake supporters are bragging about being undefeated, at least not in a "rah rah we're the best" context. I called for admiration of what they've accomplished so far because of the circumstances they've faced this season, some of which were outlined in the Chronicle this morning. Being proud of that and pointing it out on a message board designed to allow users to talk or even tout their team doesn't even seem out of line, much less gallish...

As far as co-champs... First of all, Strake hasn't even beaten Cinco yet. Admittedly, your reactions make me feel better about the game because the way you and a few others are reacting about possibly having the same district record as Strake makes me feel like maybe we have a chance against Cinco. If Strake finishes the district tied with Katy and you feel they don't deserve to be co-champs because they voted NO on the KISD make-up plan, then put an asterisk by it. Katy players, coaches, whomever can do the same thing.

Everyone knows Strake and Katy didn't play in the regular season because of the hurricane and ensuing make-up game vote. I don't understand why Katy's perfect season, perfect district mark, or the possibility of a co-championship would not be just as special as an outright district championship just because the one team they didn't play accomplished the same thing? I certainly can't understand why its SO important for Katy fans to denigrate Strake over the possibility.

Katy should have a pretty easy time in the D2 playoffs. Most of the best teams will be in D1. Would it be fair if Katy won the D2 state championship and it was denigrated because they didn't face most of the best 5A teams in the state? I would never look at it like that.

I choose to look at this from a different perspective than you I think. I would never try and take away anything form ANY high school kid. You won't catch me critisizing the play of a high school player, laughing at a teams record, insinuating certain team characteristics based on the demographics of a school, etc. Why? Kids read these boards. Your goal on these Strake threads has been to diminish the achievements of SJs team, consequently, you are undercutting the achievements of high school kids. Don't feel bad though, I doubt very seriously that either the Strake or Katy kids give a crap HOW someone as negative as you might regard their seasons...

[rwilleby]

So out of all of that, this is the quote you pull out?
Then you work something out... you just don't take your ball and go home and then have the gall to brag about being undefeated or possibly co-district champs...

I wasn't at the vote, assuming you weren't either. I'm willing to bet however that the parameters of the vote were laid out before hand and ONE of them was that if the vote was a tie, the games would NOT be made up... I doubt many would have agreed to a vote if the parameters were "we keep making new plans and voting on them until it comes out the way certain schools want it to..."You're right neither of us were there... And we don't know what went on... I would have thought that, out of the four opposing schools, and really the Katy schools for that matter, something could have been worked out if everyone really wanted to play the games... I guess that's not the case, so that's that...

I don't believe any Strake supporters are bragging about being undefeated, at least not in a "rah rah we're the best" context. I called for admiration of what they've accomplished so far because of the circumstances they've faced this season, some of which were outlined in the Chronicle this morning. Being proud of that and pointing it out on a message board designed to allow users to talk or even tout their team doesn't even seem out of line, much less gallish...You're probably right... Wrong word... But you did start this thread as a tease and a brag... If you knew about the article, you knew it was about SJ and not 19 5A... So why lead us into this discussion in the first place... "Great PR for SJ" would have been more appropriate... And as for SJ, they should be proud of their accomplishments... Every team has to overcome things in a season... Some more than others... I say good for them...

As far as co-champs... First of all, Strake hasn't even beaten Cinco yet. Admittedly, your reactions make me feel better about the game because the way you and a few others are reacting about possibly having the same district record as Strake makes me feel like maybe we have a chance against Cinco. If Strake finishes the district tied with Katy and you feel they don't deserve to be co-champs because they voted NO on the KISD make-up plan, then put an asterisk by it. Katy players, coaches, whomever can do the same thing.Sure you have a chance to beat Cinco, It may be the game of the week... And we have one game to go as well, so you never know what can happen... But, somehow I think you keep missing the point... But, maybe not...

Everyone knows Strake and Katy didn't play in the regular season because of the hurricane and ensuing make-up game vote. I don't understand why Katy's perfect season, perfect district mark, or the possibility of a co-championship would not be just as special as an outright district championship just because the one team they didn't play accomplished the same thing? I certainly can't understand why its SO important for Katy fans to denigrate Strake over the possibility.It's all about competition... The games are played to win or lose... the better team is left standing at the end of the day... And even that can change on any given day... It's not personal, so don't take it that way...


Katy should have a pretty easy time in the D2 playoffs. Most of the best teams will be in D1. Would it be fair if Katy won the D2 state championship and it was denigrated because they didn't face most of the best 5A teams in the state? I would never look at it like that.Actually I think some teams in D1 would like a piece of Katy... They've been there before and I would think would have no problems going back... I would prefer not to even have D1 and D2... One big playoff would suit me fine... The differnce is that I think we would play where we're put and play as scheduled...

I choose to look at this from a different perspective than you I think. I would never try and take away anything form ANY high school kid. You won't catch me critisizing the play of a high school player, laughing at a teams record, insinuating certain team characteristics based on the demographics of a school, etc. Why? Kids read these boards. You're taking this way to personal... I have never said anything about a specific player or coach... I have not critisized the play of a specific player or coach... And have said nothing about their ethnicity, beliefs or socio-economic background... I've never called any player or coach a "coward" or any other name and have only stated that, in my opinion, SJ's Admin, as well as Alief's, took advantage of the situation to their benefit...

Your goal on these Strake threads has been to diminish the achievements of SJs team, consequently, you are undercutting the achievements of high school kids. Again, I've never said SJ kids didn't earn their winning season or that they have not overcome their issues and problems... Hey, I didn't cheat the SJ players out of the Katy game, your Admin's did... If I were an SJ player I'd be pi**ed about not having the opportunity to finish the season, win, lose or draw...

Don't feel bad though, I doubt very seriously that either the Strake or Katy kids give a crap HOW someone as negative as you might regard their seasons...I'm not talking to them... If they choose to logon, and click the button, then I guess they get to read... But they won't find anywhere on here where I have belittled or made fun of a player or coach...

When you can speak for all of the Katy kids, let me know and I'll take note... But, for the record, in this very thread I said...
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On another note: Strake, you really did earn your 8 wins... For that I say, "Good Job"...
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I hope I didn't upset someone... Learn how to take a compliment and don't take things so seriously...

[TxLawDawg]

I just feel bad for the kids at both Strake and Katy that the game didn't get made up. It's sad to me that the Strake coaches would rather take the opportunity of another game away from their players just to avoid the possibility of a Loss on the record.

[Drake]

Personal attacks, I didn't do it... It's not a personal thing... It's a principle thing...

<Ahem>...When you question someone's "principle's", it is personal...

Regardless... Some of the content of my last post seemed directed at you when it really wasn't... My bad...

Though we disagree on some things, I can admit your positions are well-stated and understand why they make sense to you. Hopefully, you can give me the same latitude.

In one sense, this has been a dream season for Strake Jesuit the likes of which we may not see again for awhile. Katy gets to enjoy the dream every year. I just never understood why some Katy fans feel compelled to do and say things in an attempt to tarnish our one season in the sun?

[rwilleby]

<Ahem>...When you question someone's "principle's", it is personal...I never questioned a player, coach or even your principle's... But I do question the principle's of the Admin's for SJ and Alief... I think that's only fair because they made the decision and should have to face the praise or criticism...

Regardless... Some of the content of my last post seemed directed at you when it really wasn't... My bad...No offense taken...

Though we disagree on some things, I can admit your positions are well-stated and understand why they make sense to you. Hopefully, you can give me the same latitude.Thanks... Latitude given... We can agree to disagree... That's fine... It's just an opinion...

In one sense, this has been a dream season for Strake Jesuit the likes of which we may not see again for awhile. Katy gets to enjoy the dream every year.I'm sure SJ has a good program in many different ways... Winning on the scoreboard is fun for the players and the fans... Being part of a team and making your individual contribution is the most important lesson... As a Katy fan I expect our team to play well... To win? Sure... Is winning the only thing? No, but it sure beats the other option... I know Katy didn't always win and I'm sure the fan support drifted here and there... But if it were easy, everyone would have the same support our team has... I hope SJ has the same success... Just not in 19 5A :-)...

I just never understood why some Katy fans feel compelled to do and say things in an attempt to tarnish our one season in the sun?I think it's just frustration... Being competitive, and maybe protective, we (players/coaches/fans/community) take a lot of pride in the Tigers and what these boys accomplish... Sometimes things just get a little out of hand, but it's not mean't in a bad way... Unless you've experienced it, you have no idea how this football program has solidified our community... You'll have more winning seasons... I'm sure this isn't your only one...

So start a thread about the Cinco/Strake game... Then we can talk about the players...