a$m pulls another one from the big boys..

[pied]

Their competition for their most recent commitment:

Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Stanford
Vanderbilt
Rice
Wisconsin
TCU

[cajun]

That kid is gonna be good...

Hmmm, who is it?..:D

[AllenTAMU]

texa$... you see what i did there? clever right?

i dont care what anybody says or who has offered this kid is a player and so is his teammate that will hopefully be committing to the ags in the next week or so.

[cajun]

i dont care what anybody says or who has offered this kid is a player and so is his teammate that will hopefully be committing to the ags in the next week or so.


He must be...He's classified..

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

And...who is this dude again?

[AllenTAMU]

i'm surprised rivals hasnt posted it yet but hes a 3star DB almost 4 star on there.

[pied]

texa$... you see what i did there? clever right?

i dont care what anybody says or who has offered this kid is a player and so is his teammate that will hopefully be committing to the ags in the next week or so.


Normally I see it like Texa$$ or tu or sips etc.

[jtk1519]

This is the guy...

http://tamu.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=79257

Who the Ags hope will land them this guy...

http://tamu.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=69850

I'm interested to see how Nwachukwu does without Buckner. A lot of Allen's pass-catchers benefited from Buckner being double and triple teamed.

[jtk1519]

Congrats BTW.

[cajun]

When Texas A&M decide they wanna do some recruiting they don't mess around....18 commits...Just last month they had 3 or 4, I believe..

We still stuck at 13....I expect 3 or 4 to commit in July at the next camp....

[Firebird]

I don't have a rivals subscription but you can piece it together. If you haven't yet, its Steven Terrell from Allen, DB. So no one can blame me for breaking an agreement.

Kid is a three star DB on the bubble of picking up his fourth. A solid pickup, wouldn't be surprised to see him add a coveted "star" by the end of the season. Sherman and co are plugging along with decent if not spectacular recruiting. If they managed to get both Cody Green and Christine Michael to eventually sign, this will go down as a very good class.

[StateSpeech97]

Ags need to pull in a huge name for once. They haven't done that since Martellus Bennett.

[Dawg Fan]

I don't have a rivals subscription but you can piece it together. If you haven't yet, its Steven Terrell from Allen, DB. So no one can blame me for breaking an agreement.

Kid is a three star DB on the bubble of picking up his fourth. A solid pickup, wouldn't be surprised to see him add a coveted "star" by the end of the season. Sherman and co are plugging along with decent if not spectacular recruiting. If they managed to get both Cody Green and Christine Michael to eventually sign, this will go down as a very good class.


Be careful, we have already been told by all the so called experts on here that Sherman can't recruit and we will be unable to attract any talent this year:rolleyes:

[jtk1519]

Be careful, we have already been told by all the so called experts on here that Sherman can't recruit and we will be unable to attract any talent this year:rolleyes:

Another stellar contribution. Keep 'em coming... I'm writing a book of Dawgisisms. So far I have chapter: ":rolleyes:" and chapter: ":rolleyes::rolleyes:".

[GarlandOwl06]

Their competition for their most recent commitment:

Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Stanford
Vanderbilt
Rice
Wisconsin
TCU

gosh all those teams are so horrible... I mean Kansas, Louisville, Wisconsin, Arizona State, Arizona literally those are some scrub teams :rolleyes:

Well pied the next 2 expected commits for the ags have offers from....

1st) Uzoma- Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Lousiville, Nebraska......

2nd) Green- lets just say he has 30 scholarship offers too many to list and one of those includes LSU oh my gosh!

anyways terrell is a heck of a player and is the highest rated db we have gotten so far (5.7) like I have been saying some of these guys we have got are going to move up to 4 stars by the time signing day come. If you look at scout.com they have every O line committ we have as 4 star as well as kenric mcneil and brandal jackson as 4 stars and if we get uzoma that woudl be another 4 star and cody green would be a 5 star. Bu these star ratings don't really matter at all and I guarante they mean nothing to Sherman who is using his NFL knowledge to evaluate recruits

[slorch]

Ags need to pull in a huge name for once. They haven't done that since Martellus Bennett.

and here's to Wade Williams returning 'Tellus to his proper place as a star...


It's still dumbfounding to me how badly the stellar talent that the Aggies have drawn in the last 4-5 years has been underutilized. I'm all for that tradition to grow stronger...:rolleyes:

[jesse]

Ags need to pull in a huge name for once. They haven't done that since Martellus Bennett.


How many top 10 recruiting classes did Jimmy Johnson have at Miami? Or Osborne during his tenure with Nebraska? Big names don't always equate with sucess. I would rather have 20-25 8-9.5's every Feb than a couple of 10's and a bunch of 5 and 6's. Jimmy Johnson once said that for every list of so-called top 100 players, there were at least 500 as good or better playing on low profile teams coached by apethetic men. A casual glance down any NFL roster reveals JJ was/is correct. Talent is obviously the key component, but getting that talent to perform as a unit is the mean trick. Plenty of teams have recruited loads of big names whose HS coaches had tapped every bit of talent out of said players. When the Bear was coaching A&M he made a statement that went somrthing like this. "If I can motivate my 85% player to play 5 % above his actual ability, and your 95 % player loafs all week and plays 5 % beneath his ability, more often than not we will whip you".

[jesse]

Their competition for their most recent commitment:

Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Stanford
Vanderbilt
Rice
Wisconsin
TCU


Looking over the list of schools you listed, apparently the boy is literate. Some of you youngsters are probably not aware of the fact that back in the day when student/athlete actually meant something, TCU, Rice, Vanderbilt, Duke,Tulane and others played very good football and were able to hang with the best.

[pied]

How many top 10 recruiting classes did Jimmy Johnson have at Miami? Or Osborne during his tenure with Nebraska?-How many years were they at Miami and Nebraska? That would be the first step to answer your question.
Big names don't always equate with sucess. I would rather have 20-25 8-9.5's every Feb than a couple of 10's and a bunch of 5 and 6's.-As would I. Not certain the point. If I had my choice I would have all 10's right?

Jimmy Johnson once said that for every list of so-called top 100 players, there were at least 500 as good or better playing on low profile teams coached by apethetic men. A casual glance down any NFL roster reveals JJ was/is correct. Talent is obviously the key component, but getting that talent to perform as a unit is the mean trick. Plenty of teams have recruited loads of big names whose HS coaches had tapped every bit of talent out of said players. When the Bear was coaching A&M he made a statement that went somrthing like this. "If I can motivate my 85% player to play 5 % above his actual ability, and your 95 % player loafs all week and plays 5 % beneath his ability, more often than not we will whip you".

Why do I find the last part so ironic. HS coaches getting every bit of talent out of them and then talking about Bear. What exactly did Bryant do with Ken Hall, the BEST running back in the history of Texas HS football?

[Man Law]

Ags need to pull in a huge name for once. They haven't done that since Martellus Bennett.

Cyrus Gray, Rod Davis, & Jeff Fuller were pretty big names last year. A&M's best shot at a huge name this year would probably be Craig Loston if they were somehow able to pull him away from Clemson.

[pied]

gosh all those teams are so horrible... I mean Kansas, Louisville, Wisconsin, Arizona State, Arizona literally those are some scrub teams :rolleyes:

Well pied the next 2 expected commits for the ags have offers from....

1st) Uzoma- Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Lousiville, Nebraska......

2nd) Green- lets just say he has 30 scholarship offers too many to list and one of those includes LSU oh my gosh!

anyways terrell is a heck of a player and is the highest rated db we have gotten so far (5.7) like I have been saying some of these guys we have got are going to move up to 4 stars by the time signing day come. If you look at scout.com they have every O line committ we have as 4 star as well as kenric mcneil and brandal jackson as 4 stars and if we get uzoma that woudl be another 4 star and cody green would be a 5 star. Bu these star ratings don't really matter at all and I guarante they mean nothing to Sherman who is using his NFL knowledge to evaluate recruits

You know you are correct I have it wrong. Missing out on all the big players in the state, even though you offered them scholarships is part of the knowledge that the NFL gave Sherman. He meant not to get Loston/McFarland/Sheppard/Gilbert/Walters/Whaley/Brent/Okafor/Pratt/Brokers/Porter/Timmons/Wort/Howell on purpose.

Yeah, I know he recruited these players and offered most, but he really DIDN'T want them and was glad they went to schools he will be competing against. That's what he learned in the NFL, right?

[AllenTAMU]

what he learned in the nfl is that recruiting experts on highschool football message boards dont mean sh*t to what hes going to be doing.

[Dawg Fan]

Another stellar contribution. Keep 'em coming... I'm writing a book of Dawgisisms. So far I have chapter: ":rolleyes:" and chapter: ":rolleyes::rolleyes:".

gotta check my "give a damn" file.......nope not in there

[pied]

what he learned in the nfl is that recruiting experts on highschool football message boards dont mean sh*t to what hes going to be doing.

Hopefully he learned that at the first coaching position he ever had, the only difference is that the HS football experts were at the water cooler or the coffee shop not the internet.

What I find funny is that many seem to think that he is waiting and evaluating these players better than the big boys. Not really the case, the facts are that he went after the big boys, and missed and now is recruiting players that were not his or his staff's first or maybe even second choice.

It is almost certainly true that several of these players will be stellar and have better careers than those ranked ahead of them, just as you can find examples of 3-5 round draft picks having more success than the 1-2 rounders in the NFL. If you look at the data as a whole, you are much better off drafting higher than lower, as you are picking up more recruited HS players than not.

[TrojanHorse03]

This is the guy...

http://tamu.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=79257

Who the Ags hope will land them this guy...

http://tamu.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=69850

I'm interested to see how Nwachukwu does without Buckner. A lot of Allen's pass-catchers benefited from Buckner being double and triple teamed.

I've put it on record that I expect Nwachukwu to have breakout year next year, I personally was really impressed with his speed and route running. I think he'll be a big pickup for whoever lands him.

[Dawg Fan]

Hopefully he learned that at the first coaching position he ever had, the only difference is that the HS football experts were at the water cooler or the coffee shop not the internet.

What I find funny is that many seem to think that he is waiting and evaluating these players better than the big boys. Not really the case, the facts are that he went after the big boys, and missed and now is recruiting players that were not his or his staff's first or maybe even second choice.

It is almost certainly true that several of these players will be stellar and have better careers than those ranked ahead of them, just as you can find examples of 3-5 round draft picks having more success than the 1-2 rounders in the NFL. If you look at the data as a whole, you are much better off drafting higher than lower, as you are picking up more recruited HS players than not.


since you seem to believe that you know all the facts, I am just wondering who on his staff filled you in or are you just throwing out your opinion?

[pied]

since you seem to believe that you know all the facts, I am just wondering who on his staff filled you in or are you just throwing out your opinion?

Not certain what facts you are talking about? Are you referring to the staff going after Loston/Shepard/McFarland/Gilbert/Walters/Whaley/Timmons before they went after the guys that committed to them like McNeal/Henderson/Jackson/Campbell/Terrell?

If so, you don't need access to the staff, but see when they werebrought in for a visit and see when they made an offer.

It is very interesting to me to see the differing perspecitves of the posters on AggieYell and the ones here. Most feel less confident regarding Green than you do.

[Dawg Fan]

Not certain what facts you are talking about? Are you referring to the staff going after Loston/Shepard/McFarland/Gilbert/Walters/Whaley/Timmons before they went after the guys that committed to them like McNeal/Henderson/Jackson/Campbell/Terrell?

If so, you don't need access to the staff, but see when they werebrought in for a visit and see when they made an offer.

It is very interesting to me to see the differing perspecitves of the posters on AggieYell and the ones here. Most feel less confident regarding Green than you do.

I just believe that it is way to early to judge anything with this staff. Everyone likes to think they have the inside on what is going on but all they have are opinions just like me.

[AllenTAMU]

Hopefully he learned that at the first coaching position he ever had, the only difference is that the HS football experts were at the water cooler or the coffee shop not the internet.

What I find funny is that many seem to think that he is waiting and evaluating these players better than the big boys. Not really the case, the facts are that he went after the big boys, and missed and now is recruiting players that were not his or his staff's first or maybe even second choice.

It is almost certainly true that several of these players will be stellar and have better careers than those ranked ahead of them, just as you can find examples of 3-5 round draft picks having more success than the 1-2 rounders in the NFL. If you look at the data as a whole, you are much better off drafting higher than lower, as you are picking up more recruited HS players than not.

ive addressed this in other posts but ill do it here for you. sherman isnt a household name with highschool recruits. he doesnt have the same pizazz as say saban but saban is another recruiting story altogether. so nobody was expecting sherman to come in and put together the number 1 recruiting class in the nation. when its all said and done sherman should have a top 20 recruiting class that with proper coaching should be able to compete at a top 10 level. also, if youre not familiar with his situation sherman came into the recruiting game late and with early commitments thus is obviously at a disadvantage. when your top 100 ranked recruits have been getting recruited since their freshman and soph years its easy to see why he didnt hit homeruns with all the top ranked recruits. finally ill say it once again, signing day has not happened. shermans allure is his nfl coaching techniques and ability to develop players. if he comes as advertised then his recruiting will dramatically increase and only time will tell how that goes, not the speculation of internet experts.

[jesse]

Why do I find the last part so ironic. HS coaches getting every bit of talent out of them and then talking about Bear. What exactly did Bryant do with Ken Hall, the BEST running back in the history of Texas HS football?


In his autobiography named "Bear", Bryant admits to mishandling Ken Hall ,keep in mind Bear inherited Ken Hall! Page 205-206, "I know I've sure missed on a lot of them.Ken Hall down at A&M for example. A 200 lb halfback who ran the 100 in 9.7,probably the most sought-after player in the history of football, a hundred schools after him. He never did start a game for us, and he finally wound up leaving".
"Well it's easy for me to say he did this or that, but what about me? My job was to get him to play and I didn't. So there's no doubt in my mind that I failed. I kow this, if we had had Ken Hall in 1957 we would have won the national championship. We were 166 points ahead in the poll with two games to go, and we lost to Rice7-6 and 9-7 to Texas. You don't think Hall was worth three points to us? I don't know if Hall got anything, because he signed before we came to A&M, but if he did, whatever it was, he was worth more.He scored 395 points in one year, 49 in one game. I'll never forget how he quit. We had played Baylor in the bloodiestfootball game I'd ever seen and Jack Pardee had been hurt. We put Hall in there, and he broke out and came close to running for a touchdown. He did things well and had me sold. That night sitting around the hotel in Waco i told my coaches that nobody was going to beat us now because we had Hall in there. Monday he didn't show up for practice.That night I got home, and there he was waiting for me. He cried and carried on and said he'd do anything to come back.OK. Next day he didn't show up again.I went home and there he was, and he asked me again to take him back. I said " Well Ken yesterday would have been alright, but now I gotta do something, give you some kind of discipline. See me in mt office tomorrow. And the next day he didn't show up again. That was the last straw for me. John David Crow wanted me to let him talk to Ken, but I was too pig-headed.Ken Hall was a fine young man and he was worth saving".

Others may have annointed him with deity status but the Bear never denied making his own mistakes. Just a thought, maybe Ken Hall was overrated, in terms of intestional fortitude! In the end, he quit.

[jesse]

Why do I find the last part so ironic. HS coaches getting every bit of talent out of them and then talking about Bear. What exactly did Bryant do with Ken Hall, the BEST running back in the history of Texas HS football?


Nothing ironic, just your choosing a rather exceptional example. How many Parade AA's, Street& Smith, Athlon, etc can't miss prospects vanish after their freshman year?

Gaudy stats do not make a player the BEST. Earl Campbell or Billy Sims name ring a bell?:rolleyes:

[jesse]

If I had my choice I would have all 10's right?

The rest of us won't let you get that many:D And if it ever happens then what happened to SMU will seem like time-out for recess.

[AboutTreeFiddy]

Why do Texas fans always say the recruits that A&M loses are great players, but the ones they pick up aren't good?

Oh well. I've never followed recruiting much, and have never really put too much stock into it...

[pied]

Why do I find the last part so ironic. HS coaches getting every bit of talent out of them and then talking about Bear. What exactly did Bryant do with Ken Hall, the BEST running back in the history of Texas HS football?


Nothing ironic, just your choosing a rather exceptional example. How many Parade AA's, Street& Smith, Athlon, etc can't miss prospects vanish after their freshman year?

Gaudy stats do not make a player the BEST. Earl Campbell or Billy Sims name ring a bell?:rolleyes:

I really do not understand your last point. Earl/Billy Simms were some of the highest recruited players, Heisman winners and members of the HOF.



How many top players vanish after their freshman year? Many, but if you get wrapped up in a player here and a player there, you totally miss the point. The point is that there is a MUCH higher rate of success for the high ranked players than the low ranked players.

To ignore that fact is simply sticking your head in the sand. Here's a very good article demonstrating this muh better than I can.

The Numbers Game

Here is a round-by-round breakdown of how draftees ranked as high school prospects:


.......Round 1...Round 2... Round 3... Total (Top 99)
5*......5............4..............3............. .12
4*......11..........10.............9.............. 30
3*.......7*..........9.............13............. 29
2*.......7............5..............7............ .17
FCS......1*..........4...............2............ .7


* - Joe Flacco is counted as a three star Pittsburgh signee

Roughly 45 percent of the first three rounds were highly ranked recruits coming out of high school. There were also 25 members of the Rivals 100 — the top-100 prospects in any given year — taken in the first three rounds.

On the surface it looks like a prospect is almost more likely to be a first-round pick as a two star (7) than a five star (5). However, a deeper look at these numbers shows just how remarkable recruiting rankings can be:


.............................5*.......4*.......... .....3*...........2*
No. in each class...25-30....275-325....700-800....1,600-1,800
No. drafted in '08.....12........30..............29.............. 17
Percent drafted.....40-48.....9-11...........3.6.........Less than 1


This means that a player has nearly a 50-50 chance of being drafted in the first three rounds if he is ranked as a five star recruit. The chance drops significantly for four stars. It drops even further for three star prospects, as they have less than a four percent chance. Two star recruits basically have no chance of being drafted in the first round — in fact, its less than one percent.


http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/13422/nfl-stars-how-recruiting-translates-to-the-draft

[jtk1519]

Why do Texas fans always say the recruits that A&M loses are great players, but the ones they pick up aren't good?

They don't. The multiple recruiting services and scouts who do this for a living do.

Why do A&M fans care so much about what others say?

[Dawg Fan]

They don't. The multiple recruiting services and scouts who do this for a living do.

Why do A&M fans care so much about what others say?

why do sips care what A & M fans say?

[jesse]

I really do not understand your last point. Earl/Billy Simms were some of the highest recruited players, Heisman winners and members of the HOF.



How many top players vanish after their freshman year? Many, but if you get wrapped up in a player here and a player there, you totally miss the point. The point is that there is a MUCH higher rate of success for the high ranked players than the low ranked players.

To ignore that fact is simply sticking your head in the sand. Here's a very good article demonstrating this muh better than I can.




http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/13422/nfl-stars-how-recruiting-translates-to-the-draft

Because both are native Texans, and making a dogmatic statement claiming Ken Hall the BEST rb in Texas history is quite a stretcher.

Good solid article. I never set odds and am not suprised that many 4 and 5 star players pan out. But I never cease to be amazed at number of studs can't accept the fact that for the first time everyone around them is probably good. Some burn out and don't want to pay the price.. Looks like 3 and 4 stars are the place to be.

[pied]

Because both are native Texans, and making a dogmatic statement claiming Ken Hall the BEST rb in Texas history is quite a stretcher.

I gotcha, makes more sense now. How about the best Texas HS running back ever?

[BDB]

why do sips care what A & M fans say?

the same reason i correct my nephews when they say ignorant things....it gets on my nerves.

[farmerfan]

the same reason i correct my nephews when they say ignorant things....it gets on my nerves.

Don't think that the Ags have the market cornered on saying ignorant things. In fact, I find it funny that some Horn fans seem to follow A&M fans around and can't seem to leave it alone. The obsession both fan bases seem to have with one another is great.

[Dawg Fan]

Don't think that the Ags have the market cornered on saying ignorant things. In fact, I find it funny that some Horn fans seem to follow A&M fans around and can't seem to leave it alone. The obsession both fan bases seem to have with one another is great.

at least it keeps things interesting;)

[Firebird]

I really do not understand your last point. Earl/Billy Simms were some of the highest recruited players, Heisman winners and members of the HOF.



How many top players vanish after their freshman year? Many, but if you get wrapped up in a player here and a player there, you totally miss the point. The point is that there is a MUCH higher rate of success for the high ranked players than the low ranked players.

To ignore that fact is simply sticking your head in the sand. Here's a very good article demonstrating this muh better than I can.




http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/13422/nfl-stars-how-recruiting-translates-to-the-draft

A little knowledge, especially about statistics, is a dangerous thing. A player's rivals ranking has virtually nothing to do with his chances of getting drafted in the first few rounds. Instead, what those numbers say is that when the rivals folks deem a prospect to be five star worthy, first three round type, they have about a fifty-fifty chance of being right. A subtle distinction, but a critical one. There are lots of five star players who, when they sign on the dotted line, have around a zero percent chance to ever get drafted in the first three rounds---due to some factor unknown to the rivals folks. Likewise, there are a significant number of two stars who, unbeknownst to rivals, have a chance approaching 100%, thanks to factors also unknown to rivals.

What all this means is that an especially gifted/prescient coaching staff could do very well by focusing soley on two and three star players. I am not claiming this ability for Sherman and Co., just pointing out that fact. Although less than 1% of the 1,800 two stars will get drafted in the first three rounds, the odds for the two stars that actually did get drafted were never anywhere near that low. The only trick is combing through that pool and looking for the overlooked kids or ones with immeasurables and properly evaluating them. If you could do it regularly, you'd make a fortune. Imagine for a moment a coach at a premier program with this ability-- say, Alabama. Imagine if he could have correctly identified only the two star and FCS players that went first rounds during recruiting and pursued them hard at the expense of the four and five star. At the time you'd have called him crazy, but in the end he would have had 8 first three rounders in one class. Also, because he targeted lesser recruits and was at a premier program, he would have had a better shot at actually landing them.

Like I said, I don't claim this ability for Sherm and Co., but someone has to cut through the nonsense about rivals stars having any bearing on an individual players likely future success. All the percentages pied put up there show is that, if you pick a random two star out of the year's class, you would have only a 1% chance of selecting one that would go in the first three rounds. Hopefully, coaches are not offering two star scholarships at random and can, in theory at least, significantly increase their chance of giving a scholi to a good player.

[Firebird]

The Athlon article, btw, should be subtitled:

"Why I am a sportswriter and not a statistician."

[TrojanHorse03]

Don't think that the Ags have the market cornered on saying ignorant things. In fact, I find it funny that some Horn fans seem to follow A&M fans around and can't seem to leave it alone. The obsession both fan bases seem to have with one another is great.

Or tiresome. Did UT always care this much about Aggy? I know Aggy's always been this way but....

[Firebird]

Or tiresome. Did UT always care this much about Aggy? I know Aggy's always been this way but....

ON, MVD. Carry on.

[jtk1519]

Don't think that the Ags have the market cornered on saying ignorant things. In fact, I find it funny that some Horn fans seem to follow A&M fans around and can't seem to leave it alone. The obsession both fan bases seem to have with one another is great.

UNT sucks.

[jesse]

I gotcha, makes more sense now. How about the best Texas HS running back ever?


11,232 rushing yards! The Sugarland Express may have been the best HS running back anywhere. Especially in the context of the times. 100 yd dash in 9.7. And without the performance enhancing aids available over the past 40 odd years. Hindsight is always 20/20. At least Bear Bryant admitted he erred in his handling of Hall. Never been a big Bama fan, but I have always respected their program and the fact that CBB never made excuses for his teams performance to the media or on the call in shows. "I got outcoached" was his stock answer whenever a reporter or fan would ask why the Tide lost.

Another Ken Hall fact, in HS his per game playing time averaged less than three quarters per game. The Sugarland coach certainly was a class act or KH might have had another 3000 yds:D. He basically sat a year on the bench in garbage time:D.

[DragonBand06]

blah

[BDB]

Don't think that the Ags have the market cornered on saying ignorant things. In fact, I find it funny that some Horn fans seem to follow A&M fans around and can't seem to leave it alone. The obsession both fan bases seem to have with one another is great.

todd dodge is a yankees fan, and the boss sucks.

[jtk1519]

todd dodge is a yankees fan, and the boss sucks.

http://www.utexasclan.com/images/wow.gif

[farmerfan]

UNT sucks.

Thank God for Art and Music

[farmerfan]

todd dodge is a yankees fan, and the boss sucks.

Like anybody from San Benito knows what thye speak of. Ignorance lives on ;):D

[BDB]

Like anybody from San Benito knows what thye speak of. Ignorance lives on ;):D

shut it, northerner.

[GarlandOwl06]

You know you are correct I have it wrong. Missing out on all the big players in the state, even though you offered them scholarships is part of the knowledge that the NFL gave Sherman. He meant not to get Loston/McFarland/Sheppard/Gilbert/Walters/Whaley/Brent/Okafor/Pratt/Brokers/Porter/Timmons/Wort/Howell on purpose.

Yeah, I know he recruited these players and offered most, but he really DIDN'T want them and was glad they went to schools he will be competing against. That's what he learned in the NFL, right?

You cleaaaarly are not a very smart sports person. Clearly all the guys you listed are very huge recruits obviously. So obviously did Sherman want those guys yes because they are very good not because rivals says they are "5 stars" but because they are great players. But seriously I just don't get why you are acting like its crazy that all these players you just mentioned didn't choose us.... like I said on the other thread, we had a very mediocre season and just got a brand new coach so it's very obvious that these guys chose LSU (national champions) or OU (Big 12 champions) or tu because they are having more success recently. Just like in pro sports when free agent players want to sign with good teams (unless they are greedy) because they want to win. Buuut going back to my post I was saying you keep going ooo they got a 3 star recruit so he must not be good but Sherman knows what kind of players he wants at positions and is using his NFL knowledge to help him "see past" the 3 star rankings...

p.s. im still confused as to how terrell's offers aren't that good..

[GarlandOwl06]

Not certain what facts you are talking about? Are you referring to the staff going after Loston/Shepard/McFarland/Gilbert/Walters/Whaley/Timmons before they went after the guys that committed to them like McNeal/Henderson/Jackson/Campbell/Terrell?

If so, you don't need access to the staff, but see when they werebrought in for a visit and see when they made an offer.

It is very interesting to me to see the differing perspecitves of the posters on AggieYell and the ones here. Most feel less confident regarding Green than you do.

Well 1) we still have a shot at loston 2) We didn't land Shepard but we are going to get Green 3) Christine Michael if we get him is better than Whaley 4) we didn't get Timmons but we are getting Nwachukwu...

[Firebird]

GarlandOwls has hit on a few points I wanted to hit on. To a large degree, the rivals rankings are a reflection of the overall consensus of the people who get paid millions to judge talent-- college coaches. College coaches do not check the rivals site and say....hey...there is a five star recruit down in Bugtussle we ought to check out.

By the time those lists are out, all of the top recruits have been targeted and contacted by virtually every coach in the country. Their subsequent offers are a mere formality. No college coaching staff worth its salt relies on rivals for evaluation, though rivals to a large extent relies on the opinion of college coaching staff. Thus it is no surprise that the top players got offers from Sherman or anyone else. They have offers from everyone....because all of the real talent evaluators recognize their skill. Offering them is a no-brainer. If they commit, you win, if not, you move on.

This also ties back into the whole "chances of making the NFL" thing. Because rivals stars are an indicator of how much interest a kid recieves from major schools, it should come as no surprise that these kids are more likely to get into the NFL. Though rivals ranking has no bearing on their odds, the school they go to certainly does. To illustrate my point, imagine two literal clones-- alike in every way save the name on the jersey. One jersey reads "Louisiana State" the other "Louisiana Tech". Who do you think is more likely to go in the draft?

So there is a feedback here. Kids who get offers from lots of premier programs are more likely to get noticed by scouts, to have better coaching and development, etc, etc--because they are going to end up at one of those premier programs And when rivals notices a kid is getting offers from every marquee program from Alabama to USC, they give that kid stars.

What should really give people pause is not when a staff offers a five star player early. They are going to do that regardless-- those kids are five stars because everyone is offering, they are not getting all those offers because they are five stars. It's when a staff misses out on the five star, and then extend an early offer to a three star or two star before targeting some of the four star and high three stars still on the table-- especially if the staff has a history of judging talent well/knows what a kid need for success in the NFL. That is an indicator that someone on staff thinks they have found a kid that rivals and everyone else has miscalculated the odds of success for.

[AllenTAMU]

Well 1) we still have a shot at loston 2) We didn't land Shepard but we are going to get Green 3) Christine Michael if we get him is better than Whaley 4) we didn't get Timmons but we are getting Nwachukwu...

eh i'd be careful with some of those names youre flinging around none of those are assured. while there is probably around a 50/50 chance or better on those guys its not a great idea to be committing players before theyve committed.

[pied]

A little knowledge, especially about statistics, is a dangerous thing. Very good point, see below.

A player's rivals ranking has virtually nothing to do with his chances of getting drafted in the first few rounds. Instead, what those numbers say is that when the rivals folks deem a prospect to be five star worthy, first three round type, they have about a fifty-fifty chance of being right. A subtle distinction, but a critical one. There are lots of five star players who, when they sign on the dotted line, have around a zero percent chance to ever get drafted in the first three rounds---due to some factor unknown to the rivals folks. Likewise, there are a significant number of two stars who, unbeknownst to rivals, have a chance approaching 100%, thanks to factors also unknown to rivals.-I would like to know how you determine how some have an apporoaching 100% chance of making it. What qualities are those?

What all this means is that an especially gifted/prescient coaching staff could do very well by focusing soley on two and three star players. I am not claiming this ability for Sherman and Co., just pointing out that fact.-I could be a millionaire, if I knew where all loose change in the world was and picked it up and out it in my bank. It is a good sounding strategy, but has zero real world relevance.

Although less than 1% of the 1,800 two stars will get drafted in the first three rounds, the odds for the two stars that actually did get drafted were never anywhere near that low.-Hmmm There were 29 2* players drafted in the first 96 picks(first three rounds). There were a total of 128 players drafted in the final four rounds. If all 128 were 2* that would be a total of 157. I know you went to a$m, but 157/1800 is still less than 1%.

The only trick is combing through that pool and looking for the overlooked kids or ones with immeasurables and properly evaluating them. If you could do it regularly, you'd make a fortune. Imagine for a moment a coach at a premier program with this ability-- say, Alabama. Imagine if he could have correctly identified only the two star and FCS players that went first rounds during recruiting and pursued them hard at the expense of the four and five star. At the time you'd have called him crazy, but in the end he would have had 8 first three rounders in one class. Also, because he targeted lesser recruits and was at a premier program, he would have had a better shot at actually landing them.

Like I said, I don't claim this ability for Sherm and Co., but someone has to cut through the nonsense about rivals stars having any bearing on an individual players likely future success. All the percentages pied put up there show is that, if you pick a random two star out of the year's class, you would have only a 1% chance of selecting one that would go in the first three rounds. Hopefully, coaches are not offering two star scholarships at random and can, in theory at least, significantly increase their chance of giving a scholi to a good player.

There certainly is circular logic to recruiting rankings. The more established programs recruit a player the higher their ranking. The more good offers they receive, the harder it is to land them. Not certain that is much different than
any market really. Interest drives demand, which drives value, which drives cost, right?

[pied]

You cleaaaarly are not a very smart sports person. Clearly all the guys you listed are very huge recruits obviously. So obviously did Sherman want those guys yes because they are very good not because rivals says they are "5 stars" but because they are great players......

Buuut going back to my post I was saying you keep going ooo they got a 3 star recruit so he must not be good but Sherman knows what kind of players he wants at positions and is using his NFL knowledge to help him "see past" the 3 star rankings...

p.s. im still confused as to how terrell's offers aren't that good..

I am not dwelling on their 3* status, but the teams that are offering them, subtle difference as Firebird would say.

As you acknowledge, but then seem to contradict, it's not that Sherman is smarter by targeting these players that are committing, it's that he is settling for them. That's a fact.

With any new coach, you expect a bump in recruiting. His FNL experience, thus far has had zero impact on his recruiting efforts. Recruiting is not everything, but it certainly matters. If the schools you are hoping to compete against and get to their level on a consistent basis are gettin ALL of the players you want, you are in for a long haul.

[Firebird]

There certainly is circular logic to recruiting rankings. The more established programs recruit a player the higher their ranking. The more good offers they receive, the harder it is to land them. Not certain that is much different than
any market really. Interest drives demand, which drives value, which drives cost, right?

The math on two stars is right, the meaning of the number behind it is not.

As I stated, the 1% number is the liklihood that, picking at random from the pool of 1,800 two star applicants, you will select an athlete that will go in the top two rounds. That is not the odds for any individual player of making the league. Some of those players will have odds much higher than one percent, others much lower.

I can best illustrate it this way. Pretend I am a high school student. A GPA of 3.9 will put me in the top 1% of my high school class. That means that by selecting at random from my high school class, you will have a 1% chance of getting a kid with a GPA of 3.9 or above.

Does that mean my individual chances of recieving a GPA of 3.9 are only 1%? Of course not. There are lots of factors, many within my control, which can greatly boost my own individual odds of getting that GPA I want. Same principle.

As you pointed out, the main question is how to identify which kids out of the two stars actually have much better odds of "making it" than everyone is giving them credit for (and of course, maximizing the factors you have control over, such as player development/conditioning, coaching).

[Firebird]

I am not dwelling on their 3* status, but the teams that are offering them, subtle difference as Firebird would say.

As you acknowledge, but then seem to contradict, it's not that Sherman is smarter by targeting these players that are committing, it's that he is settling for them. That's a fact.

With any new coach, you expect a bump in recruiting. His FNL experience, thus far has had zero impact on his recruiting efforts. Recruiting is not everything, but it certainly matters. If the schools you are hoping to compete against and get to their level on a consistent basis are gettin ALL of the players you want, you are in for a long haul.

Yes and no. There is no question that the staff would have loved to land (and would still love to land) the five star guys that everyone in the country is in consensus are as near to "can't miss" as you can get in this biz.

However, it is not farfetched to assume that, after failing to land the top tier, that Sherman's staff (or any other staff) can put to work unique insight in targeting the specific players lower down the "consensus" list of good players that they feel have attributes that set them apart from their peers in the rankings. For instance, I think it's safe to say that the staff sees something in the kid from Livingston that others don't.

[pied]

Yes and no. There is no question that the staff would have loved to land (and would still love to land) the five star guys that everyone in the country is in consensus are as near to "can't miss" as you can get in this biz.

However, it is not farfetched to assume that, after failing to land the top tier, that Sherman's staff (or any other staff) can put to work unique insight in targeting the specific players lower down the "consensus" list of good players that they feel have attributes that set them apart from their peers in the rankings. For instance, I think it's safe to say that the staff sees something in the kid from Livingston that others don't.

Maybe/Maybe not. So far Texas has seven 3*, ou ten 3*, and LSU six 3*. Some of these players have been offered by others and some not. In this day, the likeliehood of there being players no one else knows about is just about non-existent.

For your logic to make sense, you would think that the other schools ignore the other players(which obviously is not the case given the # of commitments), evaluate them differently(which holds more water except it is obvious these are not the tier one recruits for any of the schools), only target 3* or lower(which is asinine), or is just better at recruiting them than the others.

There is no solid data, but I think that if school A beats out school B for the top tier player, the same holds true down the line. No reason to think otherwise, is there?

[AllenTAMU]

Maybe/Maybe not. So far Texas has seven 3*, ou ten 3*, and LSU six 3*. Some of these players have been offered by others and some not. In this day, the likeliehood of there being players no one else knows about is just about non-existent.

For your logic to make sense, you would think that the other schools ignore the other players(which obviously is not the case given the # of commitments), evaluate them differently(which holds more water except it is obvious these are not the tier one recruits for any of the schools), only target 3* or lower(which is asinine), or is just better at recruiting them than the others.

There is no solid data, but I think that if school A beats out school B for the top tier player, the same holds true down the line. No reason to think otherwise, is there?


the likelihood of there being players nobody knows about happens throughout the recruiting season. somebody discovers and evaluates these kids whether it be a school or a recruiting service somebody is always first. what each school sees in each player can be completely different due to numerous reasons. If school A beats out School B for a top tier player there are countless reasons why that would happen which seems to be unaccounted for here on this board.

[pied]

the likelihood of there being players nobody knows about happens throughout the recruiting season. somebody discovers and evaluates these kids whether it be a school or a recruiting service somebody is always first. what each school sees in each player can be completely different due to numerous reasons. If school A beats out School B for a top tier player there are countless reasons why that would happen which seems to be unaccounted for here on this board.

Yes, but the supposition is that some coaches are better at recruiting lesser players when there is no evidence to support that, and frankly makes no sense at all.

If that were the case, you would see them focusing their efforts on the non/lesser recruited players and that is not the case here, as Sherman has offered all of the big guns before moving on to the guys who are committing now.


I do agree sometimes you have no chance witha player. Loston at Texas comes to mind. He didn't want to come to Texas no matter what.

[Firebird]

Yes, but the supposition is that some coaches are better at recruiting lesser players when there is no evidence to support that, and frankly makes no sense at all.

If that were the case, you would see them focusing their efforts on the non/lesser recruited players and that is not the case here, as Sherman has offered all of the big guns before moving on to the guys who are committing now.


I do agree sometimes you have no chance witha player. Loston at Texas comes to mind. He didn't want to come to Texas no matter what.

It would make perfect sense if a staff moved quickly to establish ties and relationship and express strong interest in the lesser tier players they really really wanted. That has been my surprise with Sherman-- following the initial spurt of high profile turn downs, there was no wasting of time getting players a little farther down the list in for a visit, ties established, and offers made. As you noted, they haven't left much room on the roster to get in higher-ranked players and have more commitments and made more offers than a lot of other schools--and don't appear to be worried too much about making a mistake by offering so many mid-tier players so early. They aren't taking a lot of time evaluating the rest of the players that are out there and free in the same rough peer group.

That tells me that either they had eyes on these kids all along and wanted to move quickly on them before they became a hotter commodity, or that they are trigger happpy and nervous that they'll get caught holding the bag. Time will tell which one it is.

[pied]

That tells me that either they had eyes on these kids all along and wanted to move quickly on them before they became a hotter commodity, or that they are trigger happpy and nervous that they'll get caught holding the bag. Time will tell which one it is.

Interesting numbers:

School.........Offers.........Commitments
Texas............27...................19
a$m..............77....................18
LSU...............92....................13
ou.................80....................14


Like you said time will tell.

[cajun]

Interesting numbers:

School.........Offers.........Commitments
Texas............27...................19
a$m..............77....................18
LSU...............92....................13
ou.................80....................14


Like you said time will tell.

:eek: :eek:

Not sure what it means, but I'm glad all 92 didn't commit to us...Might be some legal problems with that...

[GarlandOwl06]

Im not quite sure what that is supposed to mean either...is that supposed to be trash talk for tu? If that is the case than they seem to be the odd one out....LSU won the national title, OU won the big 12 championship like every other year, and A&M beat tu last two years. Im honestly not even trying to talk down on texas just not sure what those numbers are trying to represent or prove

[jtk1519]

Im not quite sure what that is supposed to mean either...is that supposed to be trash talk for tu? If that is the case than they seem to be the odd one out....LSU won the national title, OU won the big 12 championship like every other year, and A&M beat tu last two years. Im honestly not even trying to talk down on texas just not sure what those numbers are trying to represent or prove

I don't know how relevant those numbers are to this thread because, frankly, I quit paying a lot of attention to this thread, but those numbers show that Texas gets who they want. When Texas sends out an official offer, there's better than a 70% chance they will commit. I believe it was the '06 class in which every kid who made an official visit, committed (two later decommitted). No other school can say that. Now, a lot of that has to do with how stingy Mack is with his offers. He wont offer a kid unless the kid is a serious Texas possibility anyway.

The more amazing number IMO is that of those 27 offers, the first one didn't go out until Feb. 7th of this year. Every other school on that list was sending out offers for this class back in '07.

[pied]

Their competition for their most recent commitment:

Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Stanford
Vanderbilt
Rice
Wisconsin
TCU

perhaps the ulterior motives paid off...

#19 in

[jtk1519]

perhaps the ulterior motives paid off...

#19 in

Package deals like that are pretty common.

[HebronHawk]

I don't know how relevant those numbers are to this thread because, frankly, I quit paying a lot of attention to this thread, but those numbers show that Texas gets who they want. When Texas sends out an official offer, there's better than a 70% chance they will commit. I believe it was the '06 class in which every kid who made an official visit, committed (two later decommitted). No other school can say that. Now, a lot of that has to do with how stingy Mack is with his offers. He wont offer a kid unless the kid is a serious Texas possibility anyway.

The more amazing number IMO is that of those 27 offers, the first one didn't go out until Feb. 7th of this year. Every other school on that list was sending out offers for this class back in '07.

Both Hebron kids who committed to Texas later de committed and attended other U's as D1's. We are 0-2 at Texas.

[GarlandOwl06]

perhaps the ulterior motives paid off...

#19 in

are his offers legit enough for ya pied :rolleyes:

[cajun]

are his offers legit enough for ya pied :rolleyes:

Allen High School must be loaded..

Uzoma Nwachukwu looks like a good one...Tough name though...

Barkevious Mingo's name looks kinda easy now..:D

Hope we get him anyways-know we will...

http://lsu.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=74047

[TrojanHorse03]

are his offers legit enough for ya pied :rolleyes:

Credit to A&M on a good pickup.

[pied]

are his offers legit enough for ya pied :rolleyes:

If I am a Texas fan, this is one that would worry me some if that's what you're asking. I look at things two ways, how does it afect my team and how would I feel if it happened to my team and I do not know why that is so hard to understand.

I know Nwachkwu i a good player. Texas did not actively go after him because their need was low at the WR position and they got their guy. If they were taking 2-3 I certainly think they go after him. Now, a$m picking him up does not hurt Texas in the fact that they were afer him, but clearly he is a good receiver.

Interesting, since some of the big boys were after him, I wonder if some of of you are disappointed. I mean isn't Sherman ignoring the big time players focusing on player development, upgrading speed and getting players that are under the radar by using his NFL knowledge.

[pied]

Im not quite sure what that is supposed to mean either...is that supposed to be trash talk for tu? If that is the case than they seem to be the odd one out....LSU won the national title, OU won the big 12 championship like every other year, and A&M beat tu last two years. Im honestly not even trying to talk down on texas just not sure what those numbers are trying to represent or prove

Nope simply a response for FB who made a statement regarding about being trigger happy. Don't know if it says anything except Texas is a little singy w/offers. Different recruiting style I guess.

[pied]

gosh all those teams are so horrible... I mean Kansas, Louisville, Wisconsin, Arizona State, Arizona literally those are some scrub teams :rolleyes:

Well pied the next 2 expected commits for the ags have offers from....

1st) Uzoma- Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Lousiville, Nebraska......

2nd) Green- lets just say he has 30 scholarship offers too many to list and one of those includes LSU oh my gosh!


hmmmmmmm

1 for 2?

[pied]

are his offers legit enough for ya pied :rolleyes:

Well the newest (#20)would appear to be a Sherman special. One thing for sure is that he is kicking Rice's and Baylor's butt for recruits this year...

[Dawg Fan]

Well the newest (#20)would appear to be a Sherman special. One thing for sure is that he is kicking Rice's and Baylor's butt for recruits this year...

I guess it really comes down to who wins the games not the recruiting war as evidenced the last couple of years. I really am interested in why you seem so obsessed with A & M 's recruiting.

[GarlandOwl06]

Well the newest (#20)would appear to be a Sherman special. One thing for sure is that he is kicking Rice's and Baylor's butt for recruits this year...

Well, at least you finally are understanding the point I was trying to make. This is in fact a "Sherman special." Its not that Sherman doesn't want the 5 and 4 star guys as you have been trying to make out that has been said in other threads, but its the fact that I believe he obviously studied up on this kid and saw something that other people are not seeing. Obviously I don't think this guy is an under the radar future first round draft pick don't get me wrong but you catch my drift.

But yea im very curious as to why you are sooo interested in our recruiting... maybe because of the last 2 years?:p

[pied]

I guess it really comes down to who wins the games not the recruiting war as evidenced the last couple of years. I really am interested in why you seem so obsessed with A & M 's recruiting.

Good point, Texas has won 10+ games the past seven seasons. a$m last finished the season ranked when the current crop of HS seniors were in third grade. I agree winning games is important. If you could have one record or another in the last couple of years you reference, whose record do you choose?

I have always been interested in recruiting and like I have said many times, I like to get the other perspective for top recruits in the state. Seems as if a subscription to the TCU site may have been a better investment this year, huh?

[pied]

Well, at least you finally are understanding the point I was trying to make. This is in fact a "Sherman special." Its not that Sherman doesn't want the 5 and 4 star guys as you have been trying to make out that has been said in other threads, but its the fact that I believe he obviously studied up on this kid and saw something that other people are not seeing. Obviously I don't think this guy is an under the radar future first round draft pick don't get me wrong but you catch my drift.

But yea im very curious as to why you are sooo interested in our recruiting... maybe because of the last 2 years?:p

That staetment seems so contradicotry, but maybe that's me. Of course he is after the 4/5* guys, it's just he missed on them. He only has used his super studies when his first and second choices were not left any longer.

[Dawg Fan]

Good point, Texas has won 10+ games the past seven seasons. a$m last finished the season ranked when the current crop of HS seniors were in third grade. I agree winning games is important. If you could have one record or another in the last couple of years you reference, whose record do you choose?

I have always been interested in recruiting and like I have said many times, I like to get the other perspective for top recruits in the state. Seems as if a subscription to the TCU site may have been a better investment this year, huh?

my point is being a Texas fan you must be very depressed to have such great recruiting classes yet in the last few years unable to beat a team like A & M. The kicker is they won with a terrible coach...very frustrating. As far as I am concerned I expect better things from the new coach and refuse to judge him by his first recruiting class. Would I like winning 10 games ....sure but until they get to that point it does give me comfort seeing them beat a team like UT who is a strong program. Just imagine what a good coach could do with all the 2 and 3 start talent;)

[BDB]

my point is being a Texas fan you must be very depressed to have such great recruiting classes yet in the last few years unable to beat a team like A & M. The kicker is they won with a terrible coach...very frustrating. As far as I am concerned I expect better things from the new coach and refuse to judge him by his first recruiting class. Would I like winning 10 games ....sure but until they get to that point it does give me comfort seeing them beat a team like UT who is a strong program. Just imagine what a good coach could do with all the 2 and 3 start talent;)

continue to miss bcs games and keep the 1938 tradition alive?

gettin blown out in bowl games?

not be able to beat tech (which prolly upsets yall more then it does us)

lose to baylor every once in awhile?

have a really close game against a non-bcs game, then call it moral victory for being able to win at home?

not run the biggest "rb" in college football on a 4 &1 situation?

i got abunch ;)

[jtk1519]

my point is being a Texas fan you must be very depressed to have such great recruiting classes yet in the last few years unable to beat a team like A & M.

If that one game were our Superbowl, then yes. Frankly, the losses to KSU have been MUCH harder to swallow, but they are just stumbles in an overall good season. Texas fans have the benefit of looking at the big picture because there is a big picture. A&M fans focus on one game because that's all they have. Sad but true.

[BDB]

If that one game were our Superbowl, then yes. Frankly, the losses to KSU have been MUCH harder to swallow, but they are just stumbles in an overall good season. Texas fans have the benefit of looking at the big picture because there is a big picture. A&M fans focus on one game because that's all they have. Sad but true.


word.

even the close *** games to ucf and arky st. were more depressing.

[pied]

my point is being a Texas fan you must be very depressed to have such great recruiting classes yet in the last few years unable to beat a team like A & M. The kicker is they won with a terrible coach...very frustrating. As far as I am concerned I expect better things from the new coach and refuse to judge him by his first recruiting class. Would I like winning 10 games ....sure but until they get to that point it does give me comfort seeing them beat a team like UT who is a strong program. Just imagine what a good coach could do with all the 2 and 3 start talent;)

I certainly was pissed off about losing to a$m, no doubt. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't trade records though. Only a total moron would. To be honest, the KState losses in the same years were a little more troubling and potentially more damaging.

Teams all over the country lament losses to teams they should have beaten. USC to Stanford, tOSU to Illinois, heck LSU lost two games to unranked teams. If that's the standard, no one would be happy.

As far as the coaching, look at these rankings for recruiting classes from '03-'05, a big part of those games:
....Team A...Team B
'03-...10.......15
'04-...13.......10
'05-...8.........20

Which team recruited better? Which team won? Does that make any sense?

[TrojanHorse03]

I'm too lazy to quote but I think what the A&M guys are saying is the recruiting sites' opinion of a recruiting class don't mean squat as it didn't even stop the "bums" of A&M from beating Mack's All-Stars but I'm just a bystander in this sibling rivalry.

[pied]

I'm too lazy to quote but I think what the A&M guys are saying is the recruiting sites' opinion of a recruiting class don't mean squat as it didn't even stop the "bums" of A&M from beating Mack's All-Stars but I'm just a bystander in this sibling rivalry.

Nope, I understand that. The problem, is those "bums" were actually ranked higher than the All Stars for three of the key year making up these past two teams. They have a point as well, but as I stated a couple of times, only a moron would change places.

[TrojanHorse03]

They have a point as well, but as I stated a couple of times, only a moron would change places.

True.

[jtk1519]

I'm too lazy to quote but I think what the A&M guys are saying is the recruiting sites' opinion of a recruiting class don't mean squat as it didn't even stop the "bums" of A&M from beating Mack's All-Stars but I'm just a bystander in this sibling rivalry.

We got that and we have countered by saying that two years means very little in the grand scheme of things. Mack's "all-stars" have beaten those "bums" like drums to the tune of 7 games to 3, but I suppose we are to ignore the dominating 7 games in favor of these two recent games. Only Aggie logic. But those two games are all A&M fans have had for the better part of a decade, so we are willing to let the little fellas thump their little chests every now and then. It's rather cute.

[TrojanHorse03]

We got that and we have countered by saying that two years means very little in the grand scheme of things. Mack's "all-stars" have beaten those "bums" like drums to the tune of 7 games to 3, but I suppose we are to ignore the dominating 7 games in favor of these two recent games. Only Aggie logic. But those two games are all A&M fans have had for the better part of a decade, so we are willing to let the little fellas thump their little chests every now and then. It's rather cute.

Texas' program overall has and is better no doubt at all in my book but I wouldn't say Aggie beating UT means little but on the other hand it doesn't come close to excusing all the other fail over the years.

[GarlandOwl06]

continue to miss bcs games and keep the 1938 tradition alive?

gettin blown out in bowl games?

not be able to beat tech (which prolly upsets yall more then it does us)

lose to baylor every once in awhile?

have a really close game against a non-bcs game, then call it moral victory for being able to win at home?

not run the biggest "rb" in college football on a 4 &1 situation?

i got abunch ;)

Losing to us and kansas state in consecutive years...

[jtk1519]

Texas' program overall has and is better no doubt at all in my book but I wouldn't say Aggie beating UT means little but on the other hand it doesn't come close to excusing all the other fail over the years.

I didn't say it means little. I said it means little in the grand scheme of things. It's not like those losses kept Texas out of a bowl game or kept Texas from reaching some level of achievement that was otherwise guaranteed. We might have done better than the Alamo Bowl in '06, but in the context of Colt getting hurt, we were happy to leave with a living QB. In '07, we probably would have gone to the Holiday Bowl even if we beat A&M. So, in pretty much every respect, the loss to A&M means little in the grand scheme of things. It's a bit of a blow to the pride, but nothing major.

As pretty much any Texas fan will tell you, the KSU losses hurt more because they simply are not as good. As bad as A&M is, KSU is no better and that sucks.

[Dawg Fan]

Nope, I understand that. The problem, is those "bums" were actually ranked higher than the All Stars for three of the key year making up these past two teams. They have a point as well, but as I stated a couple of times, only a moron would change places.

only a moron would think that I said I wouldn't trade places:rolleyes: I just said it gave me comfort to see the Aggies beat the higher ranked and more talented UT. Is that just beyond your comprehension.

[Dawg Fan]

Man I love the UT spin machines:D

[Dawg Fan]

I'm too lazy to quote but I think what the A&M guys are saying is the recruiting sites' opinion of a recruiting class don't mean squat as it didn't even stop the "bums" of A&M from beating Mack's All-Stars but I'm just a bystander in this sibling rivalry.

Thank goodness the bystanders can read;), this is just to complicated for the sips.

[BDB]

Losing to us and kansas state in consecutive years...

two bad years or seven bad decades?

you decide.

[jtk1519]

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7291/111jw1.jpg

[jtk1519]

two bad years or seven bad decades?

you decide.

"Perspective"... even if Aggies could spell it, they still wouldn't know what the hell it was.

[BDB]

Thank goodness the bystanders can read;), this is just to complicated for the aggys.

fify

Nope, I understand that. The problem, is those "bums" were actually ranked higher than the All Stars for three of the key year making up these past two teams. They have a point as well, but as I stated a couple of times, only a moron would change places.

poof

[Dawg Fan]

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7291/111jw1.jpg

now thats funny..rotfl

[Dawg Fan]

fify




didn't need fixing, it was right the first time

[Dawg Fan]

two bad years or seven bad decades?

you decide.


which decades are those? what is your criteria for a bad decade?

[BDB]

which decades are those? what is your criteria for a bad decade?

ncaa violations, losing records against your biggest rival (of course for this one i won't be suprised if you bring up the 80's ala ncaa violations, or that sand aggy is your biggest rival). not winning bowl games for consecutive years. not making bowl games for consecutive years. not being talked about for any type of trophy for consecutive years. only being the headline on the b/cs newspaper for conecutive years.

idk basically NOT winning a national championship for so long would prolly do it for me.

[BDB]

didn't need fixing, it was right the first time

stop acting aggy and agree with logic for once.

[Dawg Fan]

ncaa violations, losing records against your biggest rival (of course for this one i won't be suprised if you bring up the 80's ala ncaa violations, or that sand aggy is your biggest rival). not winning bowl games for consecutive years. not making bowl games for consecutive years. not being talked about for any type of trophy for consecutive years. only being the headline on the b/cs newspaper for conecutive years.

idk basically NOT winning a national championship for so long would prolly do it for me.


blah,blah,blah all spin and no substance. UT has had 4 national championships and I think one of them was shared so I guess all those other decades were bad:rolleyes:

[BDB]

blah,blah,blah all spin and no substance. UT has had 4 national championships and I think one of them was shared so I guess all those other decades were bad:rolleyes:

eh every major program has gone decades (or atleast 1) without a national champ. (im waiting for someone to be literal and post every team who doesn't) so it's not that big of a deal to me.

now not winning since WWII....that would suck.

how did this get "spun" over the sips past couple of decades? all that was being talked about was aggys prospect turn out and how it affected the 06 07 games....

[GarlandOwl06]

ncaa violations, losing records against your biggest rival (of course for this one i won't be suprised if you bring up the 80's ala ncaa violations, or that sand aggy is your biggest rival). not winning bowl games for consecutive years. not making bowl games for consecutive years. not being talked about for any type of trophy for consecutive years. only being the headline on the b/cs newspaper for conecutive years.

idk basically NOT winning a national championship for so long would prolly do it for me.

Actually if you look at the record from the time girls were instituted in the program tu has like 1 more win in the series...

Hopefully all these sip faithfuls actually have some affiliation with the school meaning hopefully all you actually went to the school and aren't just typical fans who have no relation to the school at all besides the fact you went to a school with the word Texas in it ( UTA, UNT, Texas State)

[GarlandOwl06]

"Perspective"... even if Aggies could spell it, they still wouldn't know what the hell it was.

Yea even if the people at the school that the Washington Post rated the #1 public school in America could spell...

[pied]

Actually if you look at the record from the time girls were instituted in the program tu has like 1 more win in the series...

Hopefully all these sip faithfuls actually have some affiliation with the school meaning hopefully all you actually went to the school and aren't just typical fans who have no relation to the school at all besides the fact you went to a school with the word Texas in it ( UTA, UNT, Texas State)

Great point. Using the info from 63 through current day, they have no National CHampionships and Texas has four.

For the record I graduated from Texas in '94, but hold no ill will toward those who support the school if they did not attend. I feel the same way towards them as I do the million people supporting a$m in the late 80's early 90's. Is there really a difference?

[pied]

Actually if you look at the record from the time girls were instituted in the program tu has like 1 more win in the series...


More fun with numbers by decade. .... Since the 60's when a$m admitted:girls

...............# of times.................
...............finished season .........# of
..................ranked................Bowl Wins
60's-..............0.........................1
70's-..............4.........................2
80's-..............4.........................3
90's-..............9.........................2
00's-..............0.........................1

[Dawg Fan]

eh every major program has gone decades (or atleast 1) without a national champ. (im waiting for someone to be literal and post every team who doesn't) so it's not that big of a deal to me.

now not winning since WWII....that would suck.

how did this get "spun" over the sips past couple of decades? all that was being talked about was aggys prospect turn out and how it affected the 06 07 games....

you were the one to throw out the word decades, I just called you on it

[BDB]

you were the one to throw out the word decades, I just called you on it

i forgot the :p face

[GarlandOwl06]

More fun with numbers by decade. .... Since the 60's when a$m admitted:girls

...............# of times.................
...............finished season .........# of
..................ranked................Bowl Wins
60's-..............0.........................1
70's-..............4.........................2
80's-..............4.........................3
90's-..............9.........................2
00's-..............0.........................1

I believe I said number of wins in the series did I not...

[Dawg Fan]

i forgot the :p face

me too:o

[pied]

Well 1) we still have a shot at loston 2) We didn't land Shepard but we are going to get Green 3) Christine Michael if we get him is better than Whaley 4) we didn't get Timmons but we are getting Nwachukwu...

really?

[AllenTAMU]

really?

my guess is still that he will likely end up at a&m after verbally committing to nebraska but all things considered it doesnt worry me since i like mossakowski better. if a&m misses on both come signing day it will be a bit of a let down. with that said, not taking a qb this year wouldnt be ideal but wouldnt be reason for concern either since qb is looking pretty solid right now for the ags.

[pied]

my guess is still that he will likely end up at a&m after verbally committing to nebraska but all things considered it doesnt worry me since i like mossakowski better. if a&m misses on both come signing day it will be a bit of a let down. with that said, not taking a qb this year wouldnt be ideal but wouldnt be reason for concern either since qb is looking pretty solid right now for the ags.


OK...

Two days ago you were sure you were going to get Green. Now you prefer someone you didn't mention. hmmmm

I agree that RM would appear to be a better fit w/Sherman, but losing a QB from your neck of the woods is a kick to the crotch.

[AllenTAMU]

OK...

Two days ago you were sure you were going to get Green. Now you prefer someone you didn't mention. hmmmm

I agree that RM would appear to be a better fit w/Sherman, but losing a QB from your neck of the woods is a kick to the crotch.

sorry but nope i was never sure we were going to get green although i did think he would fall a&ms way. mention him all you want i dont really care as he was 3rd on my list of plausible qbs. hmmmm.

it appears that green was lured with the possibility of starting quicker at nebraska. cant fault the kid for wanting to get on the field. losing a qb from our neck of the woods would be a "kick to the crotch" if we were in dire need of qbs but fortunately thats not the case and likely the reason we did not land him.

[pied]

sorry but nope i was never sure we were going to get green although i did think he would fall a&ms way. mention him all you want i dont really care as he was 3rd on my list of plausible qbs. hmmmm.


Got you and GarlandOwls06 confused.

I agree, that QB is not a high need position for a$m this year. This is arguably the best year for high quality QB's in the state's history. To miss out on all of them would be at least a kick in the shins.

[AllenTAMU]

Got you and GarlandOwls06 confused.

I agree, that QB is not a high need position for a$m this year. This is arguably the best year for high quality QB's in the state's history. To miss out on all of them would be at least a kick in the shins.

agreed that this is a loaded year for qbs and i'd like to pick up one but sometimes things dont go as planned. if it becomes a recurring problem that we arent able to recruit qbs then ill start getting worried but for now ill give the new guy a break till he coaches a season and gets things going his way.

[Firebird]

Green is a blow and I can't even try to deny it. This was a player that the staff obviously wanted. He's from our backyard. He is a player that UT did not push hard for. A&M should have been able to seal the deal....and instead, he signed with another unproven first year HC, several thousand miles from home, at a program that has also fallen on hard times and had its share of troubles and humiliations recently. It wasn't USC that waltzed in and stole him. We should have been able to close on this one.

I also think that Mossakowski is a better fit, but this one hurts.

[jtk1519]

Green is a blow and I can't even try to deny it. This was a player that the staff obviously wanted. He's from our backyard. He is a player that UT did not push hard for. A&M should have been able to seal the deal....and instead, he signed with another unproven first year HC, several thousand miles from home, at a program that has also fallen on hard times and had its share of troubles and humiliations recently. It wasn't USC that waltzed in and stole him. We should have been able to close on this one.

I also think that Mossakowski is a better fit, but this one hurts.

You stupid sip.

[pied]

Their competition for their most recent commitment:

Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Kansas
Louisville
Stanford
Vanderbilt
Rice
Wisconsin
TCU


The Sherminator is at it again.

Competition from their latest commit(4* for those at home) from LSU's back yard:


UConn
Southern Miss
Arkansas State
La Tech
Southern Alabama
Tulsa

[cajun]

The Sherminator is at it again.

Competition from their latest commit(4* for those at home) from LSU's back yard:


UConn
Southern Miss
Arkansas State
La Tech
Southern Alabama
Tulsa

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=61357&sport=1

He's actually a pretty solid kid, pied...One of the few kids here that even gave Chris Davenpot a battle at some of the camps..A late bloomer in the recruiting process...Still, somehow got 4 stars...#12 rated prospect over here...AND, I think now that we lost the Florida kid to Florida State it wouldn't surprise me if we make a late push for Lewis...

I honestly believe LSU would have offered had Lewis not been from East St John High School (Ryan Perrilloux's old school)...I think Miles tired of ESJ kids for awhile...I could be wrong... Hope I'm wrong....

Anyways, nice pick up for A&M, in my opinion.....

[pied]

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=61357&sport=1

He's actually a pretty solid kid, pied...One of the few kids here that even gave Chris Davenpot a battle at some of the camps..A late bloomer in the recruiting process...Still, somehow got 4 stars...#12 rated prospect over here...AND, I think now that we lost the Florida kid to Florida State it wouldn't surprise me if we make a late push for Lewis...

I honestly believe LSU would have offered had Lewis not been from East St John High School (Ryan Perrilloux's old school)...I think Miles tired of ESJ kids for awhile...I could be wrong... Hope I'm wrong....

Anyways, nice pick up for A&M, in my opinion.....

Not saying he's not. The offer list is quite puzzling though. Not only did the Texas'/LSU's/ou's not offer, but the SMU's/Baylor's/Houston's didn't either.

What I am waiting to see if any a$m fans come on and say that Rivals got it right on this one, but wrong on the others. He is a 4* right? I imagine with the offer list, he'll drop though. Then the a$m fans can go back to the conspiracy theory stuff.

[Firebird]

Well, I'm not gonna get upset that A&M just signed a four star lineman......

His height 6-2 is one of the main issues folks have had with him. I say we move him over to C. Rivals ranks the kid as the 2nd strongest OL in the class...four stars....if no one else wants to offer him, more power to us.

BTW, I've never said that Rivals got their stars wrong with the other kids. They are all fantastic players who deserve their rankings. What I have said is that star rankings are not the be-all end all.

[TrojanHorse03]

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=61357&sport=1

He's actually a pretty solid kid, pied...One of the few kids here that even gave Chris Davenpot a battle at some of the camps..A late bloomer in the recruiting process...Still, somehow got 4 stars...#12 rated prospect over here...AND, I think now that we lost the Florida kid to Florida State it wouldn't surprise me if we make a late push for Lewis...

I honestly believe LSU would have offered had Lewis not been from East St John High School (Ryan Perrilloux's old school)...I think Miles tired of ESJ kids for awhile...I could be wrong... Hope I'm wrong....

Anyways, nice pick up for A&M, in my opinion.....

Agreed, I was impressed by the kid's film.

[pied]

From an update after visiting La Tech:

"To tell you the truth, there's really not anything new as far as talking with my parents yet," Lewis said on Monday evening. "I kind of like want to let the Louisiana Tech visit wear off and see how things go from there.

"I'm going to wait a little while. I'm not going to wait too long, but it's not the same timeline I had before. It shouldn't be too much longer. You know, I'm not going to rush it or anything, though. I've got to make sure my heart is in the right place and I'm going to continue to pray on it. I've got to make sure that I end up where I'm supposed to be."

While previously admitting a top two of Texas A&M and Tulsa, the Rivals250 prospect enjoyed his visit to Louisiana Tech this past weekend.

"Yeah, I liked it," Lewis said. "You know, I know a lot of people that go there and I think that was one of the big selling points they were trying to stress when they were trying to get us up there. We know people on the campus there that we would recognize."

However, it was not quite enough to put the Bulldogs in the same category as the other two programs in Lewis' mind.

"A&M and Tulsa I'd say are still my top two," he said. "I liked Tech, too. I've seen all my top schools except for Connecticut. I'd like to get up there for a visit but I don't know if I'm going to be able to. If I did, it would have to be an official visit during the season and I'd like to have decided by then."

Lewis had previously narrowed his list to a top five of A&M, Tulsa, Louisiana Tech, Connecticut and Southern Miss. He says that all five are still under consideration.

http://tamu.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=829151

Congrats to the kid, but this is just weird. Note when talking about Tech, it's La Tech, not the Red Raiders.

[Firebird]

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=61357&sport=1

He's actually a pretty solid kid, pied...One of the few kids here that even gave Chris Davenpot a battle at some of the camps..A late bloomer in the recruiting process...Still, somehow got 4 stars...#12 rated prospect over here...AND, I think now that we lost the Florida kid to Florida State it wouldn't surprise me if we make a late push for Lewis...

I honestly believe LSU would have offered had Lewis not been from East St John High School (Ryan Perrilloux's old school)...I think Miles tired of ESJ kids for awhile...I could be wrong... Hope I'm wrong....

Anyways, nice pick up for A&M, in my opinion.....

Why do you think that the Fla decommit picked up so many more offers from big schools. Is one inch that big of a deal? I looked at the profiles, Lewis has more stars, is stronger, a hair faster (though I hold 40 times in suspicion), no bigger. I do gotta agree with Pied that it's very weird that this kid doesn't hold more offers.

[cajun]

Why do you think that the Fla decommit picked up so many more offers from big schools. Is one inch that big of a deal? I looked at the profiles, Lewis has more stars, is stronger, a hair faster (though I hold 40 times in suspicion), no bigger. I do gotta agree with Pied that it's very weird that this kid doesn't hold more offers.

Hard to say really...I believe the Florida kids will always receive more offers as a whole....College recruiters live in Florida....Some schools recruit in Louisiana pretty good, but there is always alot of talent here in my opinion that gets lost in the shuffle...Lewis may be one of those kids...Of course maybe if he was 2 or 3 inches taller that wouldn't hurt either....

Anyways, East St John plays some pretty stiff competition over here and their district is one of the stronger in the state....Some people think East St John may be the "team" this year in 5A...Lewis will only get bigger and stronger, in my opinion...I'd take Lewis over here in a heartbeat...

Hope it works out for both!

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Camper/PHOTO/PATRICKLEWIS5NA081200.JPG

Perhaps one of the most underappreciated offensive players in the entire Southeast is LaPlace (La.) East St. John offensive lineman Patrick Lewis. The 6-foot-1, 300-pounder heads into his senior season as a two-time 5A all-state selection and he heads into the summer following a dominating MVP performance at the NIKE Football Training Camp at LSU.


http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=880&CID=809874

[pied]

Staying in LA they steal one from:

Arkansas
Tulane
Rice

[AllenTAMU]

The Sherminator is at it again.

Alabama
California
Michigan
Notre Dame
Oklahoma State
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Not going to post that one over here?

[pied]

The Sherminator is at it again.

Alabama
California
Michigan
Notre Dame
Oklahoma State
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Not going to post that one over here?


I posted on the other thread. Should have updated this one as well.

Here's some info from a PM. I think you can add Alabama/Mich

2009 commits choosing a&m over said schools:

Arizona-4
Arizona St.-2
Arkansas-2
Arkansas St.-1
Baylor-7
California-2
Colorado-4
Colorado St.-1
Connecticut-1
Duke-1
Houston-8
Iowa State-4
Kansas-4
Kansas St.-2
Kentucky-1
Louisiana Tech-1
Louisville-2
LSU-1
Miami-1
Minnesota-1
Missouri-5
Nebraska-8
Northwestern-1
NOTRE DAME-1
OKLAHOMA-3
Oklahoma State-5
Ole Miss-2
Oregon-2
Purdue-1
Rice-3
South Alabama-1
Southern Miss-2
SMU-2
Stanford-1
TCU-2
TEXAS TECH-4
Tulane-1
Tulsa-2
UAB-1
Utah-4
Vanderbilt-1
Washington St.-1
Wisconsin-1

[sessamoid]

Now do a list of the players that chose another school over a&m.

[Dawg Fan]

Now do a list of the players that chose another school over a&m.

would that make you feel better:rolleyes:

[pied]

would that make you feel better:rolleyes:

No, but it might be interesting.

[Firebird]

Yeah, but Joe Kines is gonna teach all of our recruits how to stop the inside trout.

[pied]

Yeah, but Joe Kines is gonna teach all of our recruits how to stop the inside trout.

Dude should be happy to have a job. If Sherman's first choice would have stayed put, Kines would be in his second year of retirement. Guy had zero job offers at all for two years until the last second a$m gig opened up.

Not saying he is not a good coach, but I still wonder why that was.

[pied]

OK. Here is my best shot.

a$m has 24 commitments.

0/24 have offers from tu.
3/24 have offers from ou.
1/24 have offers from LSU.

Not certain what the combo is, but max would be 2/24 offered by the other schools.



Texas has 19 commitments.
10/19 have offers from a$m.
10/19 have offers from ou.
13/19 have offers from one but not both.



ou has 16 commitments, nine from Texas.

Of the nine commitments from the Lone Star State:
0/9 have offers from UT.
4/9 have offers from ou.

0/7 of the non-Texas players have offers from UT or a$m.

[AllenTAMU]

Dude should be happy to have a job. If Sherman's first choice would have stayed put, Kines would be in his second year of retirement. Guy had zero job offers at all for two years until the last second a$m gig opened up.

Not saying he is not a good coach, but I still wonder why that was.

"dude" didnt need a coaching job and didnt want one until sherman persuaded him to come coach at a&m

“This is a chance to work for an outstanding head coach in Mike Sherman and with a dynamic staff in a special place,” Kines said. “Talking with Coach Sherman about the job really made me realize how much I still want to coach. It’s what I do, and it’s what I enjoy the most. I am excited and looking forward to working with the young men at Texas A&M. I am especially excited to have the 12th Man on my side.”

[Firebird]

Dude should be happy to have a job. If Sherman's first choice would have stayed put, Kines would be in his second year of retirement. Guy had zero job offers at all for two years until the last second a$m gig opened up.

Not saying he is not a good coach, but I still wonder why that was.

Kines was the only one of Shula's staff to get an offer to stay and work for 'Bama....that says something about the dude. And he can stop the inside trout.

[pied]

"dude" didnt need a coaching job and didnt want one until sherman persuaded him to come coach at a&m

“This is a chance to work for an outstanding head coach in Mike Sherman and with a dynamic staff in a special place,” Kines said. “Talking with Coach Sherman about the job really made me realize how much I still want to coach. It’s what I do, and it’s what I enjoy the most. I am excited and looking forward to working with the young men at Texas A&M. I am especially excited to have the 12th Man on my side.”

You actually buy that?

[AllenTAMU]

You actually buy that?


so instead joe kines is a liar?

[pied]

so instead joe kines is a liar?

Why wasn't he offered the job the first time around?

[AllenTAMU]

Why wasn't he offered the job the first time around?

because the guy that got the job first is now working for the dallas cowboys

great point!

[pied]

because the guy that got the job first is now working for the dallas cowboys

great point!

Right, late in the game, every other coach that wanted a job had one, right?

Except Kines.

[AllenTAMU]

Right, late in the game, every other coach that wanted a job had one, right?

Except Kines.

not quite sure what your problem is but here you go, now will you quit your babbling?

After the firing of Mike Shula, Kines was UA's interim coach for the 2006 Independence Bowl. Leading up to the game, he discussed plans to retire from coaching but still live in Tuscaloosa to be near his children and grandchildren.

"My next move is going to be to heaven," he said in December 2006. "Moving trucks are not going to be pulling up at my house."

But a year off made a difference.

"Talking with Coach Sherman about the job really made me realize how much I still want to coach," Kines said in the release. "It's what I do, and it's what I enjoy the most."

[pied]

not quite sure what your problem is but here you go, now will you quit your babbling?

After the firing of Mike Shula, Kines was UA's interim coach for the 2006 Independence Bowl. Leading up to the game, he discussed plans to retire from coaching but still live in Tuscaloosa to be near his children and grandchildren.

"My next move is going to be to heaven," he said in December 2006. "Moving trucks are not going to be pulling up at my house."

But a year off made a difference.

"Talking with Coach Sherman about the job really made me realize how much I still want to coach," Kines said in the release. "It's what I do, and it's what I enjoy the most."


That certainly sounds a lot better than, "No one called and if the original DC hadn't bolted I'd still be sitting in AL".

[yallerjacket]

That certainly sounds a lot better than, "No one called and if the original DC hadn't bolted I'd still be sitting in AL".

How do you know no one called?

[pied]

How do you know no one called?

You know what I can't say I do know that. What I can do is look at facts and try to figure out what happened. Kines is fired after Saban is hired, no shock. He becomes the school's fundraiser and is out of football for a year. The next season of firing/hiring comes and goes and he is still not on a team.

Meanwhile, Reggie Herring is fired from Arkansas and hired at a$m. At an odd moment he resigns as DC to be a LB coach for the Cowboys. Step up? Step down? Don't know. I do know the scuttlebutt in CS was that he dodnot want to run the scheme Sherman did.

So after all available coaches have gigs, Sherman needs to hire someone and quick. Davie is offered and turns it down.

Now, I am expected to believe the savior of defenses who has never coached outside of the southeast, (FL/SC/AL/Ark/GA) was happy raising money, but decided to go to Texas to coach at 62. Also, other teams offered, but this one jut made sense.

[pied]

To recruits, Briles > Sherman

At least for 4* OL's that is

[AboutTreeFiddy]

To recruits, Briles > Sherman

At least for 4* OL's that is

So one guy changes his commit, and now ALL recruits think that way? :rolleyes:

[pied]

??

[pied]

now a 2* from TCU..

[jtk1519]

now a 2* from TCU..

At this point, Sherman just needs some warm bodies to throw out there.

[Firebird]

He doesn't count against our scholarship class...he's paying his own way. So I have no problems with it. If nothing else, he isn't playing for someone else.

[KLH75287]

This is the guy...

http://tamu.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=79257

Who the Ags hope will land them this guy...

http://tamu.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=69850

I'm interested to see how Nwachukwu does without Buckner. A lot of Allen's pass-catchers benefited from Buckner being double and triple teamed.

The DB is probably making a good decision.

IMO, no offensive star should ever go to A&M. It just doesn't work out for them in the long run.

[svhorns]

The DB is probably making a good decision.

IMO, no offensive star should ever go to A&M. It just doesn't work out for them in the long run.

exactamundo!

[CW#1inmyheart4eva]

I heard Sam Mcguffie was transfering to A&M

[BDB]

I heard Sam Mcguffie was transfering to A&M

i'll be praying for him.


honestly, why go to aggy when there are 2 legitimate backs ahead of you?

[stevefoxsc]

aggs always recruit good guys, its the fact t hey can't play where they should be with them