15-5A Playoff teams

[caesarscott]

Leander takes the top spot and will play in D2 - I see them going pretty far.
Pflugerville is #2, but will be going up for the first time ever to D1 in rematch with Westlake

For Spot #3, the playoffs start next week. Stony Point and Round Rock are the only two remaining teams with less than 4 losses, both at 3-3 and will meet to decide who gets to play Hays.

I was really surprised by that. Cedar Park (aside from last year) and Stony Point both usual cellar dwellers pull off big upsets over Georgetown and McNeil.

RR is 5-4 and SP is 3-6

[rdhnd]

Overheard on the radio last night that Stoney Point actually had an enrollment higher than P'ville - they said that the freshman class had not been included on the official count.If that were the case and SP won out over RR next week it could push P'ville back to D2 against Hays

[chap fan]

According to the UIL web site--updated 8-05-05, Pflugerville is the largest with 2166 students, Leander has 2067, and Stony Point has 2037. Round Rock is the smallest with 1966. So Pflugerville will definitely go Div. I. And I'd advise Leander to beware Bastrop--they took Hay's to 3 OT, and they were a handful at home for us, even though we eventually won by 20 points. We had to play very hard for that victory (and we've improved a lot since we lost to Leander in the first game).

[LeanderLions3033]

What players should we be looking out for on Bastrop? And what type of offense do they run?

I can tell you who to look out for on pvilles team, its simple.

RB-Antwan Cobb #20
so far this year we have kept every running back we've faced under 100 yards except for Chris Johnson of Round Rock and he only had 101, but lets just say that by the way Antwan was running i was suprised to look in the paper and see he only had 16 carries for 79 yards. They also have a scat back, but i'm not sure of his name.

QB-Tyler Beatty #6
He is almost a clone of Nick Foles. Hes HUGE (6'4" 215 or 220), but he seemed to sit back in the pocket like a rock. It was different without seeing the pflugerville offense directed by one of the Walker brothers, and instead more of a prostyle offense. Hes got a cannon.

WR/CB-Tremont Calvert
Bigtime game breaker. He has 4.4 speed and was giving Beatty a very reliable target. I didnt notice him that much on defense though (considering Drew Dunn threw for 478 yards and 4 tds :eek: )

LB/FB-Marlon Williams
Big hitter, will probably be the 15-5a defensive mvp. And when he got the ball at rb he showed ALOT more speed then i thought. He looked faster than Antwan.

Saftey-Reggie Madu
Junior big time prospect. We didnt throw his way very often but whoever the other saftey was got toasted on just about every single 3rd down. You will hear his name alot in the recruiting world next year.

As far as on kickoff returns they had Tremont Calvert and Antwan Cobb back deep. Let me put it as simple as i possibly can. THE BALL SHOULD NEVER BE KICKED TO EITHER OF THESE PLAYERS. With our new kicker, he was having a hard time not getting the ball to one or the other and their average field position was around midfield the entire game.

I'm going to give the edge to Pflugerville just because of their game breakers. If they can get somebody that could call some plays this team would dominate 15-5a every year. They are that talented.

[rdhnd]

LL 3033
Very reasonable break down of the players.
Props on the quality win
You have been raggin on Hermann for years - and you are correct
If we do go D1 against Westlake - I hope that it is a near repeat of last year.
I don't doubt that "W" is vastly improved from their start against the Lions.

[LeanderLions3033]

I've never really liked him because of some comments hes made over the years after every Leander game. Like after this game how he said he didnt feel Leander was the better team (he covered it up by saying i dont see how you can say either team was the better team but you get what i mean). But yeah every year he makes certain decisions and sticks with them in the game and doesnt seem to adjust very well. Back in the day he'd pitch the ball to Erik Hardamen and he'd get 8 yards a pop, then he tried to make Grant Walker take over the game with his arm and you guys lost. 03 you guys were running the ball great with Evan Roberson, Antwan, and Todd Walker, and then he tried to get away from that by throwing the ball and you guys lost. This year there was nothing specific because you guys put up 34 points but come on.....How can you give a wepon like antwan only 16 carries in a game. And its not like yall werent running the ball you were just giving it to other people. Yall are good though, that was a great game. Pflugerville has sick talent.

[gutbuster]

Leander3033 is crazy. You never stopped Pflugerville with you defense. How can you rag Pflugerville's offense. I really doubt Coach Hermmann calls any plays at Pflugerville. Most big schools have an offensive coordinator. Leander looked bad on defense! Two fumbles was the cause of Pflugerville not scoring 50 on you guys. You are an idiot!

[badger95]

Overheard on the radio last night that Stoney Point actually had an enrollment higher than P'ville - they said that the freshman class had not been included on the official count.If that were the case and SP won out over RR next week it could push P'ville back to D2 against Hays

Rumor has it that there is some truth to this. Anyone have the resources to find out for sure. It it is true, Go Tigers!!!

[lonny23]

Rumor has it that there is some truth to this. Anyone have the resources to find out for sure. It it is true, Go Tigers!!!
The official UIL numbers say that Pflugerville should be in D1.

[badger95]

Where's the link that showed the changed numbers for Clemens? Would it show something there?

[caesarscott]

I've never really liked him because of some comments hes made over the years after every Leander game. Like after this game how he said he didnt feel Leander was the better team (he covered it up by saying i dont see how you can say either team was the better team but you get what i mean). But yeah every year he makes certain decisions and sticks with them in the game and doesnt seem to adjust very well. Back in the day he'd pitch the ball to Erik Hardamen and he'd get 8 yards a pop, then he tried to make Grant Walker take over the game with his arm and you guys lost. 03 you guys were running the ball great with Evan Roberson, Antwan, and Todd Walker, and then he tried to get away from that by throwing the ball and you guys lost. This year there was nothing specific because you guys put up 34 points but come on.....How can you give a wepon like antwan only 16 carries in a game. And its not like yall werent running the ball you were just giving it to other people. Yall are good though, that was a great game. Pflugerville has sick talent.are you high?

we lost because of 2 reasons. #1 is the turnovers. 4 minutes left in the game tied up, we're driving to run the clock out and score/kick a field goal to ice the game. and cobb fumbles. its game over if he holds on to the ball and drains out the clock. fumbles have cost us all 3 games we've lost this year.

#2 is the absurd PI penalty they called on a 3rd down for your lead. i dont like to blame the zebras because it always sounds weak, but your WR didnt get touched early. i've got the video. but they called it and allowed y'all to set up for the winning field goal.

[gutbuster]

I happen to agree with Caesar Scott! Very good observation on the pass interference. There shouldn't be a penalty called on that. Nothing happened! Typical of an inexperienced referee getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and emptying his pocket.

[LeanderLions3033]

Yeah the only two reasons yall lost were because of a fumble and because of a pass interference call :( . Not because you gave up 478 passing yards. Its ok :) .

[DAS]

I do the games for Pflugerville and just found this out so I thought I'd share with you what I was told. The UIL ruled that even though SP did not include their 9th grade enrollment (which was about 800 students), since the incorrect enrollment numbers have been posted for so long, they will not change it for this year. That means PHS plays Westlake in the playoffs, which will be at Kuempel Stadium, the Panthers' home. Since PHS and WHS played last year at Westlake, this game must be at Kuempel per UIL rule.

So basically, even though SP now has the largest enrollment of any 15-5A school, because it's so close to the playoffs starting, they'd be D2 anyway and play Hays (if they beat Round Rock Friday). PHS gets Westlake and Leander plays Bastrop.

I enjoy all your comments. The game Friday was the best HS game I've ever seen, and I've seen plenty. The stakes, the performances, the amazing 4th down pass to tie it with under two minutes left, Billy Allen playing on bad legs, Drew Dunn's composure, etc... all made it one incredible evening. It's a shame Cobb fumbled late because it was on a second effort when he tried to dive for more yards, not from a simple slip of the ball. But if you watch Leander once, you become a fan because they play so hard. I wish both teams well the rest of the way.

[badger95]

Where did you see this ruling? That doesn't sound like the UIL that I know. Plus, that's not fair. Then anyone could misrepresent their numbers to gain a competitive advantage. That just doesn't make sense.

[DAS]

I was told this an hour ago by people in Round Rock. I don't know anyone with the UIL however.

[badger95]

If Pflugerville wants, they can appeal this ruling and I don't see any way that they could lose. Even though they beat Westlake pretty handily last year, I bet they would rather have a matchup with Hays or Bastrop in the first round.

[caesarscott]

it's not going to matter. Stony Point won't be making the playoffs. (and yes any Tiger fans out there can call me out on this, if they want) they've been absolutely horrible and deserve a lot of credit for scoring 3 wins in District. I dont think they've won 3 games in any season in their short history.

I would rather play bastrop, but that's not going to happen. We had the chance last week and did not take advantage. Hays or Westlake, doesnt make much difference to me. they're both good teams and in the playoffs you have to beat good teams sooner or later.

[DAS]

No appeal. It's set.

[badger95]

No appeal. It's set.

There's nothing to appeal yet. If Round Rock wins, it won't matter. I'm saying that if Stony Point wins, I'd look for Pflugerville to appeal. Hell Stony Point might appeal, considering that the last time Coach Chesser (sp.?) faced Westlake when he was at North Shore, he shut them down.

[Leander 6136]

are you high?

we lost because of 2 reasons. #1 is the turnovers. 4 minutes left in the game tied up, we're driving to run the clock out and score/kick a field goal to ice the game. and cobb fumbles. its game over if he holds on to the ball and drains out the clock. fumbles have cost us all 3 games we've lost this year.

#2 is the absurd PI penalty they called on a 3rd down for your lead. i dont like to blame the zebras because it always sounds weak, but your WR didnt get touched early. i've got the video. but they called it and allowed y'all to set up for the winning field goal.

P-ville has lost 3 tough games this year because of turnovers, Leander, Judson, and Smithson Valley. You can console yourself all you want by saying you lost because of turnovers but if you want to go deep into the playoffs fact is ya gotta hang on to the football. Thats what great teams do not make excuses.

[gutbuster]

I agree!

[LionVarsityCheer]

so im confused, if SP actually made it (fat chance) to the play-offs, they would play who? hays? even if they did make it, why is it such a big deal about their enrollment? is it that they'd mis-rep the district? im lost..HELP?! :D

[chap fan]

Ahem--I was at that Westlake-North Shore game, and I can pretty much bet you that Stony Point doesn't have anywhere near the talent that North Shore did on that team. I think Houston area posters can elaborate on the level of talent on that team. Besides, even if Stony Point makes the playoffs, they'll be D2, not D1, and they would have to face Hays, not Westlake. Chessher's done a great job in lifting that program up, but don't get too cocky or overconfident--I suspect even he would agree that that team would have a hard time staying on the field with that North Shore state championship team.

[badger95]

Ahem--I was at that Westlake-North Shore game, and I can pretty much bet you that Stony Point doesn't have anywhere near the talent that North Shore did on that team. I think Houston area posters can elaborate on the level of talent on that team. Besides, even if Stony Point makes the playoffs, they'll be D2, not D1, and they would have to face Hays, not Westlake. Chessher's done a great job in lifting that program up, but don't get too cocky or overconfident--I suspect even he would agree that that team would have a hard time staying on the field with that North Shore state championship team.


You guys are missing the point. Stony Point lied about their enrollment numbers by not reporting their freshmen. They should really be the BIGGEST school in the district and if they win on Fri., should be the Div. 1 representative. The UIL is letting them get away with it.

[chap fan]

If that's true, I'd be happy for the UIL to get involved. Why isn't this in the news anywhere?

[LLionsAunt]

It is the Statesman. That is why. lol :)

[caesarscott]

if SP lied they should have to forfeit

[LionVarsityCheer]

okay, so they lied....but why i that such a big deal...i know, i know, lying is bad. but what are the other teams losing from them playing? well, i guess that isnt fair for round rock or whoever right?

[badger95]

okay, so they lied....but why i that such a big deal...i know, i know, lying is bad. but what are the other teams losing from them playing? well, i guess that isnt fair for round rock or whoever right?

It's a dangerous precedent. What's to keep other schools from doing the same in the future? They can look back and say that they allowed SP to get away with it, and it was just an accident, anyway. Why use enrollment numbers if your not going to stick strictly to them?

[LeanderLions3033]

At the beginning of the year it looked like Bowie would be in the playoffs, along with Westlake and Hays. And bowie would have been the d-1 representative. I don't think they would lie about their numbers to play either Westlake or Hays instead of Bowie. I honestly think it was a mistake, i mean why would you do that on purpose? And for my 2nd question, i'm not trying to hijack this thread but where do you guys think the Leander vs Bastrop game will be played? Pretty much i'm hoping anywhere but Bastrop lol. What are a few predictions?

[caesarscott]

Nelson Field, Burger or House Park would all be half way. i dont know about the turf. but y'all might want to flip for the home field.

RRISD would also be good, it's my favorite "other" stadium, but it might already be booked

[LeanderLions3033]

I hope we can get the game at either RRISD or House Park (for some reason this is probably one of my favorite stadium just because of the atmosphere).

[rdhnd]

Nelson Field, Burger or House Park would all be half way. i dont know about the turf. but y'all might want to flip for the home field.

RRISD would also be good, it's my favorite "other" stadium, but it might already be booked

No doubt Caesaracott - Pflugerville has never lost a game at the "Palace"

[chap fan]

House Park is too small for a playoff game!!

And Nelson Field and Burger aren't in the kind of shape most teams would like for their games. It's not just a matter of turf, but at Burger (we haven't played at Nelson in years), the field gets such heavy use that by this time of year the grass gets very lean.

There are several good stadiums available--they might even consider Chaparral Stadium--which might well be half way between the two communities.

[LionVarsityCheer]

i heard tonight that it will be at burger

[caesarscott]

i told y'all stony point wouldn't win and they didnt. finished 3-7 and is bar none the greatest season in the history of Tiger Football.

the P-ville/Westlake game will be at Pflugerville. some guy said it'd have to be at Round Rock ISD. he didnt know what he was talking about.

[badger95]

What's up with Leander and Pflugerville? Did they beat each other up the week before? Did they rest all their best players? Both teams lost tonight to teams they should have beaten.

[caesarscott]

i dont know about leander. i would have bet the farm on them beating CP. going for the 10-0 and undisputed District. maybe they sat a bunch of players, but who knows. bastrop better look out. they're liable to get the hell beat out of them.

as for Pville, i dont know either and i was at that game. we didn't seem to sit anybody, but i dont know that the kids gave 110%. just got off to a poor start and never recovered. they got a long TD and then blocked a punt that set them up for another score. we came back at cut it to 21-14 at the half, but we only had like 3 possessions in the 2nd half. got a score late and tried an onside at 28-21, but it didnt work. we then forced a 4th and 1 at our 41. we couldn't stop it and they ran out the clock.

without a doubt the worst game i've seen PHS play in a very long time, at least in the regular season. lufkin eventually dominated the area game last year, but we did lead through 3 quarters. we were hardly in the game tonight.

it was McNeil's "Bowl Game". they had a definitive underachieving season. concensus pick to challenge for the playoffs and started strong, but couldnt finish.

[Leander 6136]

i dont know about leander. i would have bet the farm on them beating CP. going for the 10-0 and undisputed District. maybe they sat a bunch of players, but who knows. bastrop better look out. they're liable to get the hell beat out of them.

as for Pville, i dont know either and i was at that game. we didn't seem to sit anybody, but i dont know that the kids gave 110%. just got off to a poor start and never recovered. they got a long TD and then blocked a punt that set them up for another score. we came back at cut it to 21-14 at the half, but we only had like 3 possessions in the 2nd half. got a score late and tried an onside at 28-21, but it didnt work. we then forced a 4th and 1 at our 41. we couldn't stop it and they ran out the clock.

without a doubt the worst game i've seen PHS play in a very long time, at least in the regular season. lufkin eventually dominated the area game last year, but we did lead through 3 quarters. we were hardly in the game tonight.

it was McNeil's "Bowl Game". they had a definitive underachieving season. concensus pick to challenge for the playoffs and started strong, but couldnt finish.


Sometimes the teams you should beat easily are the ones that jump up and bite you, especially when you already know who your first playoff game is against. I've heard people in Leander all week already talking about Cove, I guess they forgot Cedar Park and Bastrop come first. Cedar Park came in playing their first home game against Leander at Bible Stadium, looking to play the spoiler and they brought their A+ game defensively. Leander's defense kept them in the game till near the end when Cedar Park sealed the game with a field goal. I wouldn't second guess the teams effort because I see how hard they work in practice every day, but I will say that the atmosphere from the very beginning of the game felt dead. The crowd was on it's hands for most of the game from the very beginning, almost like this game was just a formality. When the team came out for the second half the band formed the runway and played the fight song. Cedar Parks band was on the track directly across from them and played over them. Instead of answering them when the Cedar Park team came out they just hung their heads and walked off. It was like no ones heart was in it. It was a heartbreaking loss for the team but not devastating. They will shake it off and be ready for Bastrop next week. At least with P-villes loss we still own the district title outright, but I know that's not how the team wanted to win it. This was a defensive struggle and the lone touchdown was off a Leander fumble early, deep in their own territory. Take away that and Cedar Park wins 3-0. Neither team was really able to move the ball and I have to say that Cedar Park has the best front 4 we have faced all year. They harrassed Drew Dunn all night. If Cedar Park had an offense to match their D they woul be a playoff team. It was also Cedar Parks bowl game and they are our biggest rival.

[lonny23]

Where's the link that showed the changed numbers for Clemens? Would it show something there?
http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2005align/pdf/5A_EnrollmentData.pdf

[chap fan]

Our community newspaper (Westlake Picayune) reported in last Thursday's edition that indeed Stony Point had erred and had not reported their ninth grade center enrollment on the UIL enrollment forms. They actually have over 3,000 students--the largest in their district or ours for that matter!

However, in their inimitable fashion, despite this gross misrepresentation, the UIL ruled that had they made the playoffs they would have gone DII under the false numbers. That's our UIL justice at work.

I'm glad Round Rock took care of the issue the old fashioned way.

[LeanderAlumGal]

i dont know about leander. i would have bet the farm on them beating CP. going for the 10-0 and undisputed District. maybe they sat a bunch of players, but who knows. bastrop better look out. they're liable to get the hell beat out of them.

I really really REALLY want to agree with you when you say Bastrop better look out. Here's the thing and this is straight from inside sources at Bastrop.
Bastrop runs, they pass only a handful of times during a game. They know that CP ran all over Leander and that Leander had no real defense for the running game.
On the other hand, Bastrop has no defense whatsoever. Leander can pass all day on them if they want and 9 times out of 10 score.
The bottom line is that this game is going to be high scoring and it's going to come down to defense. Leander needs to figure out a great defense for Bastrops running game to win. Bastrops defensive line needs to get it together otherwise Leander will walk all over them.
I want Leander to win so bad! At the same time you can NEVER count out Bastrop.

[Leander 6136]

I really really REALLY want to agree with you when you say Bastrop better look out. Here's the thing and this is straight from inside sources at Bastrop.
Bastrop runs, they pass only a handful of times during a game. They know that CP ran all over Leander and that Leander had no real defense for the running game.
On the other hand, Bastrop has no defense whatsoever. Leander can pass all day on them if they want and 9 times out of 10 score.
The bottom line is that this game is going to be high scoring and it's going to come down to defense. Leander needs to figure out a great defense for Bastrops running game to win. Bastrops defensive line needs to get it together otherwise Leander will walk all over them.
I want Leander to win so bad! At the same time you can NEVER count out Bastrop.

I 'm not sure where you got the idea that CP ran all over Leander but they didn't. I'm not sure of the final stats but I don't think that CP ran for much over 100 yards. Their only touchdown came on an early Leander fumble inside the 10. Their only other drive resulted in a 39 yard field goal to ice the game. On top of that they held CP to -3 yards passing. This defense also held the mighty Antwan Cobb to (I believe this is right) under 50 yards. They also shut down Westlakes fantastic running game early in the season. To make the assumption that this defense can't stop the run would be a big mistake. I really hope that Bastrop thinks Leander won't be able to stop their running game but I think they know that this is a tough defense they will be facing.

[LeanderLions3033]

This D is the best run d in central texas. Passing game defense has 3 juniors in the playing field so that isnt our best suite but running defense is.

[Leander 6136]

This D is the best run d in central texas. Passing game defense has 3 juniors in the playing field so that isnt our best suite but running defense is.

Even with the inexperience in the secondary they aren't too bad. They were able to handle Westwood's strong passing game with just a minor adjustment. Ram Rodriguez is a physical corner who plays much bigger than his size and with Chad Cannon out Billy Allen and Travis Njoku have been splitting time at the other corner, they are both very capable. Stats show they are just as good against the pass as run. They are also very capable of creating turnovers.

[LeanderAlumGal]

I 'm not sure where you got the idea that CP ran all over Leander but they didn't. I'm not sure of the final stats but I don't think that CP ran for much over 100 yards. Their only touchdown came on an early Leander fumble inside the 10. Their only other drive resulted in a 39 yard field goal to ice the game. On top of that they held CP to -3 yards passing. This defense also held the mighty Antwan Cobb to (I believe this is right) under 50 yards. They also shut down Westlakes fantastic running game early in the season. To make the assumption that this defense can't stop the run would be a big mistake. I really hope that Bastrop thinks Leander won't be able to stop their running game but I think they know that this is a tough defense they will be facing.

Maybe I should have worded it differently lol, ran all over meaning running yards not passing yards. They played a running offense. That sounds better right?? lol
Oh Im not making any assumptions I simply said what was said to me from someone involved with BHS. I want Leander to stomp them, I really do lol :)

[caesarscott]

This defense also held the mighty Antwan Cobb to (I believe this is right) under 50 yards.
let's try to get the facts right.

Cobb - 78 yards, TD
Williams - 30 yards
Green - 55 yards
Gooden - 65 yards

Don't act like you shut our rushing game down. Cobb also had 187 yards on kick returns.

[gutbuster]

Leander has never stopped Pflugerville's rush attack in all the years the two teams have played.

[LeanderLions3033]

Leander has never stopped Pflugerville's rush attack in all the years the two teams have played.
This quote is funny to me. The past few rb's you've had over the years have been Erik Hardamen (UT....or he was until his incident), Evan Robertson (UNT), and Antwan Cobb (he will soon be going to a d-1 school), not to mention the Walker brothers. Your asking alot to completely shut down a running attack from pville but you can't say we didnt contain them, if we didnt then we would have lost. Antwan gaining 180+ yards returning just shows how good he is at kickoff returns and how good of field position yall started out with all night. That has nothing to do with our run defense. You stated that we havent stopped pvilles rushing attack over the years......yet we've beaten pville 4 times out of our last 5 meetings. I'm not trying to poke fun or anything but maybe we havent stopped your running game, but obviously we're doing something right.

[Leander 6136]

let's try to get the facts right.

Cobb - 78 yards, TD
Williams - 30 yards
Green - 55 yards
Gooden - 65 yards

Don't act like you shut our rushing game down. Cobb also had 187 yards on kick returns.


Read my post. I never said Leander "shut down" Your running game. However this is a team that regularly rushes for 300 yards or more, hell Cobb himself usually gains 150 yards or more on the ground. As far as your smart comment on the stats, if your intelligent enough to read in parentheses you will see that I alluded to the fact that I could be wrong. I was trying to make the point that Leander's run D wasn't a pushover not ruffle anyones feathers but I guess you are all up in arms because of your upcoming first round playoff loss.

[Leander 6136]

Maybe I should have worded it differently lol, ran all over meaning running yards not passing yards. They played a running offense. That sounds better right?? lol
Oh Im not making any assumptions I simply said what was said to me from someone involved with BHS. I want Leander to stomp them, I really do lol :)


I know what you meant but the yards they ran for would be good for a balanced offense not a run oriented team. Fact is for a strict running team CP didn't gain that many yards. CP didn't beat Leander because of any great running game. P-ville is the only team that has managed to put up significant rushing yards on Leander, but they were held to way below their norm. I also didn't mean to imply that I question your loyalty I just didn't want you to think that teams just line up and run the ball at will against Leanders D. BTW I don't take Bastrop lightly. Taking Hays to 3 overtimes is no small feat I know this is a good team and am looking forward to a great game.