Euless Trinity - The great pretenders

[toonman]

As soon as Euless Trinity plays a good team - they fold. Overrated and found out for what they are - just another team who flatters to deceive. What good did the haka do tonight? Well done SGP.

[lonny23]

As soon as Euless Trinity plays a good team - they fold. Overrated and found out for what they are - just another team who flatters to deceive. What good did the haka do tonight? Well done SGP.
SGP is a real good team. Ask Judson about going undefeated. They've never done it for a complete season outside of a 2-tie championship year.

[TrojanFan4Life]

As soon as Euless Trinity plays a good team - they fold. Overrated and found out for what they are - just another team who flatters to deceive. What good did the haka do tonight? Well done SGP.


The haka has nothing to do with us winning or losing you big doofus!!! SGP was good and played a better game - our stats were better but again stats don't put points on the board - the one stat that stands out is the interception on our 10 when we were driving for 7 - This was the first game we played our starters the whole game - we never gave up - the onside kick was fumbled but it went out of bounds.

You must give SGP their props for coming and bringing it - I don't think that losing one game makes you a pretender - I think it makes you look quite stupid for saying it.

[Sakatha]

Frankly, I think this thread is a touch insulting.

SGP doesn't suck, and I am sure Trinity played their guts out. It's not like they got humiliated by a horrible squad.

Hell, we struggled against an average Grapevine team. Are we pretenders too?

:(

~DnM

[owlfan 1]

Trinity will be fine, and could be playing well beyond Thanksgiving... SLC looked beatable tonight, too...

[Shoot2thrill]

The haka has nothing to do with us winning or losing you big doofus!!! SGP was good and played a better game - our stats were better but again stats don't but points on the board - the one stat that stands out is the interception on our 10 when we were driving for 7 - This was the first game we played our starters the whole game - we never gave up - the onside kick was fumbled but it went out of bounds.

You must give SGP their props for coming and bringing it - I don't think that losing one game makes you a pretender - I think it makes you look quite stupid for saying it.

You are right it does. Euless Trinity is a formidable opponent for anyone. ;)

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Just goes to show that on any given day, any team can be beat. SGP played tough and came out on top.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Frankly, I think this thread is a touch insulting.

SGP doesn't suck, and I am sure Trinity played their guts out. It's not like they got humiliated by a horrible squad.

Hell, we struggled against an average Grapevine team. Are we pretenders too?

:(

~DnM

I agree....."The Great Pretenders"!

Go ask Tyler Lee if Trinity was pretending the night they slung 40 pts on them! How about Midland Lee and Grand Prairie when they, very easily, scored 60 pts on each of them! Didn't look like pretending, then! And that was early in the season....when those teams had some kind of morale!

[toonman]

The haka has nothing to do with us winning or losing you big doofus!!! SGP was good and played a better game - our stats were better but again stats don't but points on the board - the one stat that stands out is the interception on our 10 when we were driving for 7 - This was the first game we played our starters the whole game - we never gave up - the onside kick was fumbled but it went out of bounds.

You must give SGP their props for coming and bringing it - I don't think that losing one game makes you a pretender - I think it makes you look quite stupid for saying it.

I thought the haka was to generate team spirit and collectiveness - well that part failed; as well as today's game plan - Time for Trinity fans to rethink your state title and your dream match up against SLC. Hardly a dream match up now that you cannot go undefeated in the district. Let's see how Trinity does next week against Irving Macarthur and see if you can salvage a season which is now going down the toilet. I think all the Trinity fans should not have been so arrogant and false trash talking - it has come back to bite you - let me know that humble pie tastes.

[TrojanFan4Life]

I thought the haka was to generate team spirit and collectiveness - well that part failed; as well as today's game plan - Time for Trinity fans to rethink your state title and your dream match up against SLC. Hardly a dream match up now that you cannot go undefeated in the district. Let's see how Trinity does next week against Irving Macarthur and see if you can salvage a season which is now going down the toilet. I think all the Trinity fans should not have been so arrogant and false trash talking - it has come back to bite you - let me know that humble pie tastes.


The more you talk the dumber you sound - team unity and spirit is there whether you win or lose - or at least should be - go back to where you came from and SHUT UP! True Trinity fans aren't trash talking - one game doesn't send a season down the toilet - If stupidity hurt, you would be doubled over in pain!

[toonman]

The more you talk the dumber you sound - team unity and spirit is there whether you win or lose - or at least should be - go back to where you came from and SHUT UP! True Trinity fans aren't trash talking - one game doesn't send a season down the toilet - If stupidity hurt, you would be doubled over in pain!

You are clearly upset at losing the unbeaten record for this season. Give me your address and I will mail you some Kleenex so you can dry the tears, which are streaming down your face.

[stinger]

How can anybody go down the toilet when toonman is clogging it with his comments!! Grow up POS and get a life. What did you play in school....detention hall?

[TrojanFan4Life]

You are clearly upset at losing the unbeaten record for this season. Give me your address and I will mail you some Kleenex so you can dry the tears, which are streaming down your face.


No tears you fool - I don't care if we have a perfect record - you really need to get some intelligence before you post anymore!

[pack0808]

I agree....."The Great Pretenders"!

Go ask Tyler Lee if Trinity was pretending the night they slung 40 pts on them! How about Midland Lee and Grand Prairie when they, very easily, scored 60 pts on each of them! Didn't look like pretending, then! And that was early in the season....when those teams had some kind of morale!



I still think ET is a very good team but come on you cannot brag about beating Tyler Lee bad. They are brutal this year. I know nada about Grand prarie!! Either way, any team can go down at any given night just like it has been said over and over. Everybody is beatable!! Some just rarely lose!!

[THSRamos48]

I thought the haka was to generate team spirit and collectiveness - well that part failed; as well as today's game plan - Time for Trinity fans to rethink your state title and your dream match up against SLC. Hardly a dream match up now that you cannot go undefeated in the district. Let's see how Trinity does next week against Irving Macarthur and see if you can salvage a season which is now going down the toilet. I think all the Trinity fans should not have been so arrogant and false trash talking - it has come back to bite you - let me know that humble pie tastes.

Yeah a lose does put a bad taste in your mouth but you know what it does for a team like us? Shows us that we cant win on talent alone we have to work our butts off every day of the week to win on Friday night. Yeah we lost get over it. It happens to every team when it comes to Texas HS football. Upsets happen and good teams lose. But we lost to another good team. SGP didnt out work us tonight,they out worked us all week.

[TrojanFan4Life]

ET will make changes and come out ready for the next game - I am proud of our guys - they played hard and came up short tonight - much prefer that it be tonight than in 2 weeks.

[BigArab]

While I don't agree with the harshness of Toonman's post, I think it's time for all of us "powerhouses" to taste some humble pie and bite the bullet.

SLC 28-23
Longview 21-14
ET (loss)

We all looked human and awful tonight.

But truthfully ET fans...let's be a little bit more prudent with our "ET IS THE GREATEST" posts from now on.

[go_hawgs_04]

theres a fluke in every great team. tonight just wasnt the night for the trojan offense or defense. yes SGP came out on top but SGP played there best all year, and trinity played there worse.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I still think ET is a very good team but come on you cannot brag about beating Tyler Lee bad. They are brutal this year. I know nada about Grand prarie!! Either way, any team can go down at any given night just like it has been said over and over. Everybody is beatable!! Some just rarely lose!!


Well, Lee was a one loss team when Trinity played them! Grand Prairie is decent, but had more morale then, than now!

I still think ET can be a handfull, however their "unbeatable" label has taken a blow tonight! I'd like to see them bounce back and beat some quality teams in the playoffs!

Goodluck to them!

[TrojanHorse03]

Congratulation to SGP, theyre every bit the team their billed as ans then some. I'm going to remind you what I remind the boys and will continue to remind them the season IS NOT OVER AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO ACT LIKE IT IS. We'll clearly get a further indicator of how good this team is versus another playoff team AT MACARTHUR. Hopefully all the true Trinity fans will sure to be there.

[gritty52]

I'm one of the biggest Trinity fans around. Tonight I take a line from the movie My Cousin Vinny. Everybody needs an @#$%^ kicking every now and then. SGP is history! MAC is next and I bet anyone you see a different Trinity team. Someone in the stands said if we win by 5 pointsvs. MAC we win district. I don't know about this and haven't had time to research it. Last year we lost our last game and went 4 deep on trhe playoffs. Nance had 238 tonight and we still lost. BAD NIGHT !!! :(

[BigArab]

I thought you guys lost in the first round...

[gritty52]

No sir!! We beat Keller, Duncanville,and Mansfield Summit then lost to Tyler Lee who won state. :D

[pack0808]

Gritty if it was Lufkin that lost tonight i have a very good feeling you would have given us hell all night and then some. Notice none of the panther fan's choose to get you back when they could. It is called having respect and realizing it can happen to anybody. I do not ever beat on anybody when they are down because it could happen to all of our teams. This might be the best thing that could happen to your team?? Some team's need a loss like this!!

[gtownowlfootball06]

One loss is not a lost season at all. Garland has lost 2 games and still has hope of going deep in the playoffs. Same thing for Euless Trinity. SGP, ET and Irving Macarthur are all GREAT teams. SGP lost a game by a field goal-the only points in the game. All those teams are neck and neck in that district, and I believe that after ET beats Mac, none of them will be undefeated, but they'll all still be very good teams. One loss does not put a season down the toilet at all. The point of high school football isn't going undefeated. If ET were a college team, I might agree that their season is over, but they aren't, and it's not.

[gritty52]

Pack I have to disagree with you. If Lufkin would have lost I could have cared less. I don't rag people when they lose and I have never predicted a win. Tonight was a case of Lineweaver not having them ready and I bet they'll be ready next Thursday. Pack I don't mean to sound like a smart @## cause thats not the way I am. Believe it or not and I am a little confused myself, but I am not as mad as usual when we lose because I know this was a real eye opener for these kids. :D

[ktchamp97]

This thread is...umm...err..."silly." Tyler Lee lost three games last year, so I guess they were pretenders too, huh?

Heck, my team lost our second game of the year 20-9...ask Elsik, Lamar, Eisenhower, Taft, and Longview if we were pretenders.

The fact is, SGP is a good team and anybody can get beat any given night. I've never seen a team play perfect for the entire year, either.

[GTown02]

This thread is...umm...err..."silly." Tyler Lee lost three games last year, so I guess they were pretenders too, huh?

Heck, my team lost our second game of the year 20-9...ask Elsik, Lamar, Eisenhower, Taft, and Longview if we were pretenders.

The fact is, SGP is a good team and anybody can get beat any given night. I've never seen a team play perfect for the entire year, either.
How was North Shore during all of 2003? That team is the most dominant team I have ever seen, but did anyone play them close during the regular season? I dont remember...

[ktchamp97]

How was North Shore during all of 2003? That team is the most dominant team I have ever seen, but did anyone play them close during the regular season? I dont remember...

North Shore, as good as they were, was "off" in several of their games that year (I was there) but they were so much better than everyone else, it hardly mattered. The best they played all year was the first half against Westlake. Nobody came close to them in the regular season.

[toonman]

No tears you fool - I don't care if we have a perfect record - you really need to get some intelligence before you post anymore!

Hey, I threw a hook out there, with some bait on it and I caught one (or two)!!. Yes, I realize Trinity is still good a team and still has the potential to go far in the play-offs, but I hope this is a reality check for the Trojans fans who have declaring themselves State Champs, before district play was over. That's all. I apolgize for my 'stupidity'.

[lonny23]

I thought the haka was to generate team spirit and collectiveness - well that part failed; as well as today's game plan - Time for Trinity fans to rethink your state title and your dream match up against SLC. Hardly a dream match up now that you cannot go undefeated in the district. Let's see how Trinity does next week against Irving Macarthur and see if you can salvage a season which is now going down the toilet. I think all the Trinity fans should not have been so arrogant and false trash talking - it has come back to bite you - let me know that humble pie tastes.
I haven't been in all the threads, but I didn't know ET fans were that bad. I know of other schools who have worse posters.

I also know you'll feel bad when your team gets beat.

[lonny23]

You are clearly upset at losing the unbeaten record for this season. Give me your address and I will mail you some Kleenex so you can dry the tears, which are streaming down your face.
No, he's just responding to your arrogant entry into this thread.

[lonny23]

How can anybody go down the toilet when toonman is clogging it with his comments!! Grow up POS and get a life. What did you play in school....detention hall?
By nature if he's a POS, there isn't any competition in the toilet. Wait, I forgot about the other POS! :D

[lonny23]

I still think ET is a very good team but come on you cannot brag about beating Tyler Lee bad. They are brutal this year. I know nada about Grand prarie!! Either way, any team can go down at any given night just like it has been said over and over. Everybody is beatable!! Some just rarely lose!!
At least the Gophers can go underground. T Lee has to stay above ground! :p

Grand Prairie is awful.

The T Lee win was not as impressive as the win over Midland Lee.

[lonny23]

Frankly, I think this thread is a touch insulting.

SGP doesn't suck, and I am sure Trinity played their guts out. It's not like they got humiliated by a horrible squad.

Hell, we struggled against an average Grapevine team. Are we pretenders too?

:(

~DnM
I think it's insulting, too. I like rugby and always have thrown my support to the Wallabies from Australia. New Zealand and South Africa are their biggest rivals. I have all the respect for the All Blacks and the haka they do before the game. Jonah Lomu looked INTIMIDATING when he did it. He was like a 6'2" 250 pound RB with speed. They put All Blacks on bags and everything in New Zealand.

[lonny23]

While I don't agree with the harshness of Toonman's post, I think it's time for all of us "powerhouses" to taste some humble pie and bite the bullet.

SLC 28-23
Longview 21-14
ET (loss)

We all looked human and awful tonight.

But truthfully ET fans...let's be a little bit more prudent with our "ET IS THE GREATEST" posts from now on.
Yeah, we have to save those for Judson! :D

[lonny23]

Well, Lee was a one loss team when Trinity played them! Grand Prairie is decent, but had more morale then, than now!

I still think ET can be a handfull, however their "unbeatable" label has taken a blow tonight! I'd like to see them bounce back and beat some quality teams in the playoffs!

Goodluck to them!
Yeah, I think they have a good shot for a perfect season! :D :p

[TrojanFan4Life]

Yeah, I think they have a good shot for a perfect season! :D :p


they've already lost to IMac 3-0.

[lonny23]

I'm one of the biggest Trinity fans around. Tonight I take a line from the movie My Cousin Vinny. Everybody needs an @#$%^ kicking every now and then. SGP is history! MAC is next and I bet anyone you see a different Trinity team. Someone in the stands said if we win by 5 pointsvs. MAC we win district. I don't know about this and haven't had time to research it. Last year we lost our last game and went 4 deep on trhe playoffs. Nance had 238 tonight and we still lost. BAD NIGHT !!! :(
I was thinking about this earlier. The district champ should be the team with the better +/-, but it could be decided based upon playoff seedings. Here's what I see.

ET is D1. That makes it look like Imac is the top seed in D2 and SGP is 2nd.

They can go by points and it looks like this:

Imac +3
SPG +4
ET -7

You have to win by 12 points to get to +5 to beat out SGP.

[lonny23]

One loss is not a lost season at all. Garland has lost 2 games and still has hope of going deep in the playoffs. Same thing for Euless Trinity. SGP, ET and Irving Macarthur are all GREAT teams. SGP lost a game by a field goal-the only points in the game. All those teams are neck and neck in that district, and I believe that after ET beats Mac, none of them will be undefeated, but they'll all still be very good teams. One loss does not put a season down the toilet at all. The point of high school football isn't going undefeated. If ET were a college team, I might agree that their season is over, but they aren't, and it's not.
Judson has won 6 titles in years with losses or ties. They have 0 titles when they're undefeated. They can get over it.

[lonny23]

Hey, I threw a hook out there, with some bait on it and I caught one (or two)!!. Yes, I realize Trinity is still good a team and still has the potential to go far in the play-offs, but I hope this is a reality check for the Trojans fans who have declaring themselves State Champs, before district play was over. That's all. I apolgize for my 'stupidity'.
OK. I made a few comments about you myself.

[toonman]

While I don't agree with the harshness of Toonman's post, I think it's time for all of us "powerhouses" to taste some humble pie and bite the bullet.

SLC 28-23
Longview 21-14
ET (loss)

We all looked human and awful tonight.

But truthfully ET fans...let's be a little bit more prudent with our "ET IS THE GREATEST" posts from now on.

I have already apologized for my 'stupidity' - but I have to agree with BigArab - SLC, ET, Longview, Lufkin, Westfield, Katy and North Shore; are classifed as the the highly favored teams teams and remain unbeaten, but as SGP showed vs ET - any thing can happen when two well matched teams meet. Also with close games for Longview and SLC - )who's game was won on a last minute interception when Grapevine were driving). What Friday shows is there a lot more football to played this season, before we have our State Champs.

[ktCarl]

I wonder how many teams that went undefeated in the regular season either lost in the State Final or lost in the playoffs along the way? An undefeated regular season guarantees nothing but a good time for the fans.
ET posters, you guys will probably come out O.K. after this loss.

[lonny23]

I wonder how many teams that went undefeated in the regular season either lost in the State Final or lost in the playoffs along the way? An undefeated regular season guarantees nothing but a good time for the fans.
ET posters, you guys will probably come out O.K. after this loss.
Judson has done it like 6 or 7 times and not gotten a title. It's like, 'They lost, so we'll have a chance for state now!"

[ktCarl]

I have already apologized for my 'stupidity' - but I have to agree with BigArab - SLC, ET, Longview, Lufkin, Westfield, Katy and North Shore; are classifed as the the highly favored teams teams and remain unbeaten, but as SGP showed vs ET - any thing can happen when two well matched teams meet. Also with close games for Longview and SLC - )who's game was won on a last minute interception when Grapevine were driving). What Friday shows is there a lot more football to played this season, before we have our State Champs.

Tooner, Katy didn't look like world beaters against Katy Taylor 2 weeks ago and also last night against Cinco Ranch.

[dragonfootballfan]

I am just wondering if Trinity did their dance after a loss. They were pretenders because this was the first team with a winning record that they played and they got beat.

[lonny23]

I am just wondering if Trinity did their dance after a loss. They were pretenders because this was the first team with a winning record that they played and they got beat.
They should do it win or loss. New Zealand does it before every rugby game in preparation for the game. I'll go to a ET game next year just to watch them do it.

[LUFPAN]

I wonder how many teams that went undefeated in the regular season either lost in the State Final or lost in the playoffs along the way? An undefeated regular season guarantees nothing but a good time for the fans.
ET posters, you guys will probably come out O.K. after this loss.

Lufkin lost their first game of the year in 2001 and then went on to win state. In 2004 we were undefeated and lost to SLC. One loss does not exempt you from winning state. Look at Lee last year. They lost three and still win on to win it all. I wouldn't counting ET out just yet and I still consider a first round game between ET and SLC as a dream match-up.

[Favpack]

Agreed - I don't think this loss takes the luster off of a first round matchup with SLC. As far as I'm concerned - Grapevine getting down to the 16 for the winning td before SLC finally decided to win is an "almost loss" -- not a lot different really. Both coaches will be watching the other teams film of this one with new-found delight - both are beatable - as is every other team in Texas.

[ktrain]

Lufkin lost their first game of the year in 2001 and then went on to win state. In 2004 we were undefeated and lost to SLC. One loss does not exempt you from winning state. Look at Lee last year. They lost three and still win on to win it all. I wouldn't counting ET out just yet and I still consider a first round game between ET and SLC as a dream match-up.

Katy lost their first game of the year in 2003 (spanked by the Pack) and then took it to the house. Everyone is beatable and sometimes the loss is all it takes to make a team refocus. Dont count ET out.

[bleedgreen]

Gritty if it was Lufkin that lost tonight i have a very good feeling you would have given us hell all night and then some. Notice none of the panther fan's choose to get you back when they could. It is called having respect and realizing it can happen to anybody. I do not ever beat on anybody when they are down because it could happen to all of our teams. This might be the best thing that could happen to your team?? Some team's need a loss like this!!
ditto pack0808---this guy would have talked so much crap and rubbed it in that it would be ridiculous!!! especially if Longview lost!! while i could throw some crow in a few ET fans faces(and you know who you are...Trinity's the greatest, the best offense in Texas, the Haka, etc......), i won't---i have more class than that......BUT, it's like i said when you guys were bragging on ET over the last few weeks, EVERYONE is subject to an a** whooping at ANY time...busted those big, aired-up heads for yall....it will make you a better team from here on out......

[gritty52]

What goes around comes around! Like I said last night where are the post that say we are almighty. You freaking clowns talk a whole lot of smack about us. LIKE I SAY IF YOU AREN'T WEARING GREEN OR PURPLE YOU THINK YOUR STUFF DON'T STINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bleedgreen]

I am just wondering if Trinity did their dance after a loss. They were pretenders because this was the first team with a winning record that they played and they got beat.
right on par again...making smart comments to Trinity after a loss....just as you did against us when we struggled with Rockwall.....how many smart a** comments did you and a few of your "dragon" friends make towards us??? well, well, well.....the shoe is definitely on the other foot now, huh??? boy, how about that high-powered offense of Grapevine???----yea, right--LOL.....just goes to show smart guy, watch yourself before you start doing alot of talking because you just may find yourself choking the next week to a team like Grapevine----again, LOL........

[bleedgreen]

What goes around comes around! Like I said last night where are the post that say we are almighty. You freaking clowns talk a whole lot of smack about us. LIKE I SAY IF YOU AREN'T WEARING GREEN OR PURPLE YOU THINK YOUR STUFF DON'T STINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
noone is talking smack about you....you are just a loud-mouthed punk who has been doing alot of bragging....you and i got into this a few weeks ago about this VERY subject, didn't we, big mouth!!!! i told you guys not to proclaim your championship just yet...i caught so much flack and crap from your smart-a**, didn't i???....you just lay back and shut your mouth...how dare you talk to 2 "hall of famers" like that!!! you should be shot at 10 paces!!

[Favpack]

I think it's important to remember only two teams DON'T LOSE when it counts most. That better put some humble pie in your diet now - rather than later. Usually the losers just slink off the forum and come back crowin' next year. Yes, there are Dragon fourmites that think they will never lose - we'll see - and there are other fans that talk alot of smack - it's not just one or two teams doing it. ET will be better for this loss I'm betting.

[lonny23]

noone is talking smack about you....you are just a loud-mouthed punk who has been doing alot of bragging....you and i got into this a few weeks ago about this VERY subject, didn't we, big mouth!!!! i told you guys not to proclaim your championship just yet...i caught so much flack and crap from your smart-a**, didn't i???....you just lay back and shut your mouth...how dare you talk to 2 "hall of famers" like that!!! you should be shot at 10 paces!!
Hey, this guy is a retired Air Force Chief. Give him a chance to make peace with you.

[ktchamp97]

Trinity fans and Longview fans have thrown alot of smack at each other lately, but the fact is, neither one of you is as invincible as you thought. For what it's worth, Trinity's loss came to a much better team than the two that seriously challenged the Lobos.

[gritty52]

Why don't you do your homework there brainiac before you accuse people of something!!! I'm talking about me I feel you accused me of going to rag you if you lost. Like I said last night I could care less about you folks win, lose or draw. This is for bloodgreen and whoever wants to accuse descent folks of things.And another thing I could care less about the SLC folks too! Looks like you have me in with them. They have a right to talk though because it's lonely at the top. You folks had a chance to beat them and couldn't even with that megaton running back. I feel I hit a nerve with you and that's not good. All I'm asking is get your facts straight before you start accusing the wrong people.

[lonny23]

Trinity fans and Longview fans have thrown alot of smack at each other lately, but the fact is, neither one of you is as invincible as you thought. For what it's worth, Trinity's loss came to a much better team than the two that seriously challenged the Lobos.
SGP is a real good team and had been getting better throughout the year until last week. I'm putting them and Imac back in the list to put me back at 20 teams. They're no longer FIRED!

[Favpack]

Why don't you do your homework there brainiac before you accuse people of something!!! I'm talking about me I feel you accused me of going to rag you if you lost. Like I said last night I could care less about you folks win, lose or draw. This is for bloodgreen and whoever wants to accuse descent folks of things.And another thing I could care less about the SLC folks too! Looks like you have me in with them. They have a right to talk though because it's lonely at the top. You folks had a chance to beat them and couldn't even with that megaton running back. I feel I hit a nerve with you and that's not good. All I'm asking is get your facts straight before you start accusing the wrong people.

Gritty -- I think you're making too much of Pack0808's opinion that, if it had been Lufkin/Longview losing last night - the entire forum would have been coming down hard. I can see where he gets that feel - but I don't think he meant YOU in particular, just some from ET and many other schools.

I personally never take a swipe at anyone after a loss unless they come back with lame excuses like the moon was full or the qb had a hangnail - and you have not done that. Let's all take a deep breath - go play some golf and get ready for season No. 2.

[dragonfootballfan]

right on par again...making smart comments to Trinity after a loss....just as you did against us when we struggled with Rockwall.....how many smart a** comments did you and a few of your "dragon" friends make towards us??? well, well, well.....the shoe is definitely on the other foot now, huh??? boy, how about that high-powered offense of Grapevine???----yea, right--LOL.....just goes to show smart guy, watch yourself before you start doing alot of talking because you just may find yourself choking the next week to a team like Grapevine----again, LOL........
See this link. (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=2919)

All I said was Trinity was exposed this week. This is the first time they played a team with a winning record and they lost. It could be a coincidence or it may not

[bleedgreen]

Trinity fans and Longview fans have thrown alot of smack at each other lately, but the fact is, neither one of you is as invincible as you thought. For what it's worth, Trinity's loss came to a much better team than the two that seriously challenged the Lobos.
you are so true, KTChamp...Vondrell fumbles twice??? Longview looks really lazy the past couple of games...don't know what is going on??

[drgnbkr]

I'm not piling on Trinty...they are a wounded animal & will respond in a positive way next week..you don't all of a sudden get bad...

[toonman]

I'm not piling on Trinty...they are a wounded animal & will respond in a positive way next week..you don't all of a sudden get bad...

I agree. My point has been that there has been an 'aura of invincibility' written and talked about ET this year. ‘Winning State’ – ‘Not ranked high enough’ – “Huge O-Line’ – ‘Handing SLC’s butt on a platter’ – ‘unique team spirit with haka’ etc, etc,. I totally agree that good teams do not become bad teams as the result of one loss. What we have is good team, with some weaknesses, which were exploited by a well coached and well prepared SGP team. As I have said ET now has a very difficult game on the road against Macarthur, which I believe (and I am sure a fellow poster will inform us) ET must win to get into the play-offs.

[drgnbkr]

I agree. My point has been that there has been an 'aura of invincibility' written and talked about ET this year. ‘Winning State’ – ‘Not ranked high enough’ – “Huge O-Line’ – ‘Handing SLC’s butt on a platter’ – ‘unique team spirit with haka’ etc, etc,. I totally agree that good teams do not become bad teams as the result of one loss. What we have is good team, with some weaknesses, which were exploited by a well coached and well prepared SGP team. As I have said ET now has a very difficult game on the road against Macarthur, which I believe (and I am sure a fellow poster will inform us) ET must win to get into the play-offs.

I will just point out as a constructive criticism, that SGP was the first spread team Trinity has seen & they struggled...they will be working to adjust & improe on D all week to get ready for IMAC who beat SGP.

[JoeC]

you are so true, KTChamp...Vondrell fumbles twice??? Longview looks really lazy the past couple of games...don't know what is going on??

Actually [Vondrell had] three fumbles - fortunately one bounced out of bounds - I agree . . .??? He looked as though he didn't want to be there . . . I am glad Coach King elected to sit him out the second quarter. Another on-side kick that worked - go figure??? A LV interception in the end zone and a poor decision to run it out followed by a fumble at their own six yard line and ultimately, giving NM and easy score . . . Longview looked terrible . . . like a flat tire. . . In no way am I down playing NM efforts, I'm just stating the facts, LV looked crappy - not just Vondrell either - multiple fumbles, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, poor special teams execution of the on-side kick, lining up off sides, roughing the kicker, delay of game penalty, and the beat goes on . . . Some say a loss [can be] good for a team; alternatively, is it possible an unexpected near loss (close call) can leave you flat? This game should not have even been close . . . but it was. As all the other posters have stated, with all the possible variables in play, like ET, SLC, LV and JT (15-6 over Mesquite Horn), on any given Friday or Saturday any team can lose or nearly lose . . . . Will they bounce back (resilience)? Who knows . . . Clearly, the coaching staff is responsible for mental preparation . . . If not, their season could be over just as fast as it began . . . If yes, they could still go on to be state champions (e.g., TL) . . .

[lonny23]

I agree. My point has been that there has been an 'aura of invincibility' written and talked about ET this year. ‘Winning State’ – ‘Not ranked high enough’ – “Huge O-Line’ – ‘Handing SLC’s butt on a platter’ – ‘unique team spirit with haka’ etc, etc,. I totally agree that good teams do not become bad teams as the result of one loss. What we have is good team, with some weaknesses, which were exploited by a well coached and well prepared SGP team. As I have said ET now has a very difficult game on the road against Macarthur, which I believe (and I am sure a fellow poster will inform us) ET must win to get into the play-offs.
ET is already in the playoffs. 3-way tie scenario for 2 spots:

ET +27
Coppell -34
SGP +7

Coppell would need to win by 62 points to get in front of ET. That would also keep Trinity in front of SGP. Coppell needs to beat SGP by 21 points to get to -13 and make SGP fall to -14 for the Cowboys to make the playoffs.

[TrojanFan4Life]

I am just wondering if Trinity did their dance after a loss. They were pretenders because this was the first team with a winning record that they played and they got beat.


Yes, the haka was done after the game as well - and again the fans stayed to support our guys - we are not fair weather fans at Trinity. You guys on this board have really blown that whole thing out of proportion - the haka isn't playing the game and it isn't for intimidation - believe what you want and make fun if you will but that bad karma you throw around will some day come back to bite you in the butt.

Also, that hand your butts on a platter thread NOT started by ET and I do believe we were on there saying not so fast - SLC is beatable and we might be able to do it but I don't think ANYONE with ANY kind of intelligence would say that either team would hand the other their butts on a platter. Please guys. Rooting (the correct spelling as ROUTING would be a TOTAL DEFEAT and if that is what your fans do - how sad) - for your team and being enthusiastic about their chances in the play offs is great - but blatant arrogance is offensive - ET has some that do it but LV, LP and SLC put most posters to shame. The name calling and hatred spewed at others almost makes this board too over the top - threads are started to incite these things - I came here thinking people talked about football NOT this crap.

There are MANY very good teams in Texas and on any given night they can be beaten. IT is far better to get beat with one game left in regular season than in the playoffs!

I think we learn and move forward - said it before and will say it again - one loss does not make you a pretender. Should SLC lose should we call them pretenders NO! How ill informed.

[lonny23]

Yes, the haka was done after the game as well - and again the fans stayed to support our guys - we are not fair weather fans at Trinity. You guys on this board have really blown that whole thing out of proportion - the haka isn't playing the game and it isn't for intimidation - believe what you want and make fun if you will but that bad karma you throw around will some day come back to bite you in the butt.

Also, that hand your butts on a platter thread NOT started by ET and I do believe we were on there saying not so fast - SLC is beatable and we might be able to do it but I don't think ANYONE with ANY kind of intelligence would say that either team would hand the other their butts on a platter. Please guys. Rooting (the correct spelling as ROUTING would be a TOTAL DEFEAT and if that is what your fans do - how sad) - for your team and being enthusiastic about their chances in the play offs is great - but blatant arrogance is offensive - ET has some that do it but LV, LP and SLC put most posters to shame. The name calling and hatred spewed at others almost makes this board too over the top - threads are started to incite these things - I came here thinking people talked about football NOT this crap.

There are MANY very good teams in Texas and on any given night they can be beaten. IT is far better to get beat with one game left in regular season than in the playoffs!

I think we learn and move forward - said it before and will say it again - one loss does not make you a pretender. Should SLC lose should we call them pretenders NO! How ill informed.
Good post.

[TrojanFan4Life]

Good post.


Thanks!

[NTxTiger]

Trinity will beat Mac handily next week. LD Bell (2-7) gave up 2 TDs to Mac in first couple minutes and came back to lose only by 4, and had a chance to win. Both Trinity and SGP scored 42 on Bell the first half. I told my Bell friends that night SGP had a good chance to beat Trinity because of their strong defense.

I would have bet $100 Mac would not have beaten SGP (glad I didn't). SGP defense showed up but apparently their offense didn't last week. That's just how the ball bounces sometimes.

[JoeC]

believe what you want and make fun if you will but that bad karma you throw around will some day come back to bite you in the butt.

for your team and being enthusiastic about their chances in the play offs is great - but blatant arrogance is offensive - ET has some that do it but LV, LP and SLC put most posters to shame.

Can we please pause for a moment, take a deep breath, relax, settle down and now realistically face the truth. Immediately following the LV - Rockwall game - we got blasted as well . . . For the most part, posters came in many forms and with many weapons of mass destruction: lions, dragons, trojans, and other various animals, fowls and heroes . . . By and large, that Rockwall game made us (LV) humble (some exceptions, but very few) . . . As for karma, I honestly believe it has been nipping at our heels for two weeks now . . . the last thing that I want is negative karma . . . So please leave me out of it . . . I have not bad mouthed ET once . . . As a matter of fact, I have been secretly praying repentance to the karma Gods. But truthfully, it does make me feel a bit better to know that karma does not have it in for just us. I guess what I am saying here is that karma is not on vacation and it appears to be an equal opportunity antagonist. . . so be careful. :o

[gritty52]

Peace!!!!! :d

[TrojanFan4Life]

Can we please pause for a moment, take a deep breath, relax, settle down and now realistically face the truth. Immediately following the LV - Rockwall game - we got blasted as well . . . For the most part, posters came in many forms and with many weapons of mass destruction: lions, dragons, trojans, and other various animals, fowls and heroes . . . By and large, that Rockwall game made us (LV) humble (some exceptions, but very few) . . . As for karma, I honestly believe it has been nipping at our heels for two weeks now . . . the last thing that I want is negative karma . . . So please leave me out of it . . . I have not bad mouthed ET once . . . As a matter of fact, I have been secretly praying repentance to the karma Gods. But truthfully, it does make me feel a bit better to know that karma does not have it in for just us. I guess what I am saying here is that karma is not on vacation and it appears to be an equal opportunity antagonist. . . so be careful. :o


never said you did - you said exactly what I did - I am talking to the trash talkers - I prefer it didn't happen - because it just makes you look stupid when something goes wrong for your team. It seems that the loudmouths post more than the cooler heads with the exception of a few long timers!

[farmerfan]

I just got home from Ft Worth, I attended the game last night and cam away impressed with both teams. I think people outside of the Trinity fan base are not giving SGP enough credit. This team is loaded on defense, they are very big, physical and very quick, their two DE's #40 and #8 lead that defense and do a great job at stoping the run.
I was also impressed with the play of SGP QB, he sayed calm under pressure and many times converted on thrid down. The WR's at SGP are very solid, they are quick and have great hands. This team will give whoever they meet in the 1st round a lot of trouble.
If SLC were to somehow go D2, i believe they would get SGP in the 1st round of the playoffs, and this is a team you can't take lightly. In fact it would not shock me to see them upset Carroll if they were to meet. They are a very well coached team and are very disciplined.
As far as Trinity goes, they played as bad as they possibly could have played, and they were still in the ballgame. The defense needs some work in the secondary, but I think they can get that situation fixed. To beat Trinity it would require a team to play a perfect game, and that is wht SGP did. I think people need to watch out for the Warriors, they are going to surprise some people come playoff time.

[dragonfootballfan]

I think we learn and move forward - said it before and will say it again - one loss does not make you a pretender. Should SLC lose should we call them pretenders NO! How ill informed.
If SLC lost to the first team that had a winning record and had not won district the previous year, then I think I would call them a pretender. This was Trinity's first game against a team with a winning record (Translation: Trinity had not played anyone good before this game). I think that this warrants pretender status. I may be in the minority on this point, but I think that it is valid.

Yes, the haka was done after the game as well - and again the fans stayed to support our guys - we are not fair weather fans at Trinity. You guys on this board have really blown that whole thing out of proportion - the haka isn't playing the game and it isn't for intimidation.
After all the articles that I have read, I have come to the conclusion that it is done for intimidation. I don't think there would be any other reason to do it in public.
believe what you want and make fun if you will but that bad karma you throw around will some day come back to bite you in the butt.
What is this supposed to mean? Is this trash talking? Is this implying that since I have dissed your dance Trinity will beat Carroll?

There are MANY very good teams in Texas and on any given night they can be beaten. IT is far better to get beat with one game left in regular season than in the playoffs!
Actually I would rather not lose at all.

[farmerfan]

and who exactly has Carroll played? If you look at the common opponents that both schools have played, both schools have beat those two teams by about the same.
Sounds as if you are more pleased to see Trinity lose than you are to see Carroll escape with a victory.
Trust me on this dragonfan, Trinity and SGP are two teams that will give Carroll fits if they were to meet, Carroll has not seen a defense as talented and solid as that of SGP. This team is as talented as that 02 Sam Houton squad, but they have way more discipline and are better coached. If you get the chance to watch SGP in the playoffs or play against them, you will see that htey are a very solid ball club.
This whole pretender stuff is utter crap, but seeing other post you have made on this board I would expect nothing less out of you.

[farmerfan]

I dont know where you get the whole Haka thing is used for intimidation. Trinity players face their own crowd and last night SGP was not even on the field to see the Haka. I thought it was real cool and something to players use to bond together as a team.
You now kind of like the blonde hair or black pants that Carroll has in the playoffs? there is nothign wrong with unifying your team, and that is what the Haka does for Trinity.

[dragonbuck]

DragonFootballFan,
as you suggest, you are in the minority. Trinity is the real deal. SGP was not the ony team they played that has a winning record. Coppell is 5-4 and Desoto is 5-4. The are a top 10 team at the very least. They are a powerful team and have dominated many decent teams.

I do think SLC would beat them however, since we handle the run so well and I believe we could pass on them. then again, I am a big homer!

[farmerfan]

DragonFootballFan,
as you suggest, you are in the minority. Trinity is the real deal. SGP was not the ony team they played that has a winning record. Coppell is 5-4 and Desoto is 5-4. The are a top 10 team at the very least. They are a powerful team and have dominated many decent teams.

I do think SLC would beat them however, since we handle the run so well and I believe we could pass on them. then again, I am a big homer!

As a dragon fan, you are entitled to think that, as most fans of Trinity think they would beat Carroll, its ok to be a homer.

Trinity has a weakness in the secondary, Carroll is the type of team to expose that. But stoping the Run would be a lot more difficult than you imagine. SGP has more talent on Defense than Carroll, and I will even hesitate to say are as well coached as Carroll on the defensive side of the ball, and they had a very difficult time stoping the Trinity run. A lot of people dont realize that Vittatoe is a dangerous QB, he made some plays with his legs last night and threw the ball very well, I would say he had close to 200 yds passing. He made that one crucial mistake, but overcame that leading Trinity to a TD drive with a little over a minute left. Trinity will throw the ball on anyone who chooses to stack 8 in the box. They have a very big TE and two very big physical recievers with great hands. Trinity is more balanced than people think, and I think they will show that once they get into the playoffs.

[dragonfootballfan]

and who exactly has Carroll played? If you look at the common opponents that both schools have played, both schools have beat those two teams by about the same.
Sounds as if you are more pleased to see Trinity lose than you are to see Carroll escape with a victory.
Trust me on this dragonfan, Trinity and SGP are two teams that will give Carroll fits if they were to meet, Carroll has not seen a defense as talented and solid as that of SGP. This team is as talented as that 02 Sam Houton squad, but they have way more discipline and are better coached. If you get the chance to watch SGP in the playoffs or play against them, you will see that htey are a very solid ball club.
This whole pretender stuff is utter crap, but seeing other post you have made on this board I would expect nothing less out of you.
Carroll has played many teams with winning records. Coppell and Duncanville barely have winning records and did not until the past couple weeks. I know that SGP is good and I know that Trinity is good. The difference between those two teams and Carroll is that Carroll has not lost and when it came time to make a play Carroll made them. I don't remember the score of the 02 Sam Houston game, but I think that Carroll scored more points than Sam Houston. Where was SGP before this game? I don't remember when they were a top ten team before they beat Trinity and now all of a sudden they are. It is a weak argument to say that a team is one of the best after you lose to them. You don't see me calling Grapevine a top ten team even though they played really well.

[hollywood]

Carroll has played many teams with winning records. Coppell and Duncanville barely have winning records and did not until the past couple weeks. I know that SGP is good and I know that Trinity is good. The difference between those two teams and Carroll is that Carroll has not lost and when it came time to make a play Carroll made them. I don't remember the score of the 02 Sam Houston game, but I think that Carroll scored more points than Sam Houston. Where was SGP before this game? I don't remember when they were a top ten team before they beat Trinity and now all of a sudden they are. It is a weak argument to say that a team is one of the best after you lose to them. You don't see me calling Grapevine a top ten team even though they played really well.

SGP is the same team they were before they beat Trinity. Before the game you just had to wonder whether talent, speed and good coaching was enough to beat Trinity.
Especially when they lost to IMac 3-0. The defense is very good. But anyone who has seen them play, should not be shocked, because the potential was there. The feeling was that they could certainly give Trinity a game. I am not sure what remembering SGP being ranked in the top ten has to do with what happens on the field. Perhaps SGP would matchup well against SLC. I wonder. Of course I wondered that before the Trinity game. How well could the SGP DBs do against the SLC air game. Maybe get toasted. Maybe pull down a few interceptions ... As long as SGP does not have to play a game in Irving on a Thursday, I think they will do well in the playoffs. Sometimes its good not to get the respect. It makes it that much sweeter. I think IMac will not be able to sneak up on Trinity next week. But IMac could play them close. That could leave SGP the 6-5A district champion. This year that might mean something.

--Update-- Just found this from the Dallas Morning news ..

South Grand Prairie (8-1, 5-1), No. 7 in SportsDay's Class 5A area rankings, kept its District 6-5A title hopes alive with the victory against No. 2 Trinity in front of a crowd of about 11,500 Friday night at Pennington Field. Trinity, South Grand Prairie and Irving MacArthur will share the title if MacArthur beats Trinity and South Grand Prairie beats Coppell next week.

-- And maybe that would be fitting anyway ...

[RidgePride]

. That could leave SGP the 6-5A district champion. This year that might mean something.
Wouldn't it be a three way tie for the district championship if Trinity beats Mac

[hollywood]

Wouldn't it be a three way tie for thebut district championship if Trinity beats Mac
It depnds on point spread. I have heard several scenarios, but basically if Trinity beats IMac by something over a touchdown, very likely maybe, then they are champs. If IMac beats Trinity, they are champs and would be 10-0. This team needs some respect. They would be backing up the win over SGP.

SGP would have to beat Coppell next week coupled with a close win by Trinity ... The SGP win should happen, but I am not sure what the odds of a close win by Trinity. They will want to prove something going into the playoffs as well as being champ. All that aside, IMac is undefeated. It will make for an interesting game. But 6-5A and 5-5A are pretty tough this year period.

--Update-- Just found this from the Dallas Morning news ..

South Grand Prairie (8-1, 5-1), No. 7 in SportsDay's Class 5A area rankings, kept its District 6-5A title hopes alive with the victory against No. 2 Trinity in front of a crowd of about 11,500 Friday night at Pennington Field. Trinity, South Grand Prairie and Irving MacArthur will share the title if MacArthur beats Trinity and South Grand Prairie beats Coppell next week.

-- And maybe that would be fitting anyway ...

[Red Raiders]

Trinity is not a great pretender at all! look at them beating us but I know our team sucks now but still we had the defense that time and Trinity were killing us at our stadium.

[DragonFan]

Trinity has had a great season to date, and one loss does not destroy a great season. However, SGP was able to beat them with good defense and timely offense. IMac has beat SGP with even better defense. Trinity is in a very precarious position because they could end the season with a 2 game losing streak and then have to play a fresh SLC who will would have played a winless team the last game of the season.

Anything can happen in High School Football! I think a lot of people will find out a lot about SGP, Trinity, and IMac in the next 2 weeks! If SLC goes D1 they will play Trinity, if SLC goes D2 they will be playing the lesser of SGP or IMac. If IMac beats Trinity, and SLC goes D2 then SLC plays SGP, if Trinity wins and SLC goes D2 then IMac plays SLC. Anyway you slice it, it will be a great first round game at Texas Stadium!

[pack0808]

Yes, the haka was done after the game as well - and again the fans stayed to support our guys - we are not fair weather fans at Trinity. You guys on this board have really blown that whole thing out of proportion - the haka isn't playing the game and it isn't for intimidation - believe what you want and make fun if you will but that bad karma you throw around will some day come back to bite you in the butt.

Also, that hand your butts on a platter thread NOT started by ET and I do believe we were on there saying not so fast - SLC is beatable and we might be able to do it but I don't think ANYONE with ANY kind of intelligence would say that either team would hand the other their butts on a platter. Please guys. Rooting (the correct spelling as ROUTING would be a TOTAL DEFEAT and if that is what your fans do - how sad) - for your team and being enthusiastic about their chances in the play offs is great - but blatant arrogance is offensive - ET has some that do it but LV, LP and SLC put most posters to shame. The name calling and hatred spewed at others almost makes this board too over the top - threads are started to incite these things - I came here thinking people talked about football NOT this crap.

There are MANY very good teams in Texas and on any given night they can be beaten. IT is far better to get beat with one game left in regular season than in the playoffs!

I think we learn and move forward - said it before and will say it again - one loss does not make you a pretender. Should SLC lose should we call them pretenders NO! How ill informed.


Wait a minute what?? Did he just say that the majority of Lufkin fans were more arrogant then the majority of ET fan's. I challenge you to pull up a thread where a Lufkin fan said Lufkin is the greatest and is unbeatable or where we were telling the #1 team in the nation that we would kill them. I have seen several ET threads that have said those things have i not?? Do not babble garbage like that it makes your breath stink. ;)

[DragonFan]

There is a time in every great programs life where the fans feel that their team is not getting the attention and status that they, the fans, feel is deserved. There will be postings and postering that the veterns of this board have seen and heard before. Then realility hits and all the smack and trash talk that was done trying to make your point comes back to haunt you.

I knew in 2002 that the SLC Dragons was going to be a great team. Nobody else in the state of Texas gave the Dragons much attention. After all they were playing their first year of 5A football. I wanted to "educate" as many of the people that would listen to me about this new and exciting team! I do not know if I ever made outrageous predictions about blowouts and "butts on Silver platters" but I was frustrated because I was in the minority of people who gave the upstarts any credit. The established teams tolerated my postings and would remind me that the Dragons could not be as good as I thought they were. However, the Dragons did win and beat a lot of established state powerhouses and did win the State Championship.

In 2003 I could see that the Dragons were just as good and had a great chance of winning again. There were a lot of people who agreed with me but still a lot of people claiming the Dragons were just '"Lucky". That changed as the season progressed and lots of posters started to talk more about the Dragons. For the championship game against Katy there was talk of invincibilty for the Dragons! Katy showed them that they could be beat! Crow was served!

In 2004 the Dragons were driven to excell to avange the loss to Katy and to honor Charlie Stalculp (the defensive coach who died of cancer in the spring of 2004). The pride and class of the Dragons, and the experice of eating crow made the posters more humble. The Dragons won the State Championship again and earned the respect of most of the members of this board.

In 2005, the Dragons have continued to win but there is a new bunch of teams that want to be taken seriously by some of their fans. I read the posts from them and remember my frustrations back in 2002. I also know the pain of 2003 and the pride of 2004.

I think a lot of us on this board have learned over the years that just because YOU think that a team is great, it has to prove that greatness before you earn the right to call out other programs. I for one do not like to call out other programs because I know that there have been several games that had the ball gone one way instead of the other then the Dragons would not be riding a 56 - 1 record, and would not be concidered the team to beat again this year.

Enjoy the succuss of your team, it might be the next great team that others will want to beat! However, be courtious of other oppions because a lot of us have been there, done that, have the T-Shirts and the recipie for Crow!

[bleedgreen]

Hey, this guy is a retired Air Force Chief. Give him a chance to make peace with you.
gritty, accept my apology(if you will) for my remarks---things got a little out of hand with this thread....having nothing but respect for our Armed Services laying down their lives for our freedom in this country.........

[pack0808]

gritty, accept my apology(if you will) for my remarks---things got a little out of hand with this thread....having nothing but respect for our Armed Services laying down their lives for our freedom in this country.........


Although i too respect the military considering my dad was a vietnam vet that was shot in the leg. I also respect anybody that has fought for our freedom's. But it still does not give him a golden ticket to be a smart A and trash our respective team poster's does it?? I have never commented on a ET thread in my life until last night(and i was respectful) but he continues to come in ours to rip us for some odd reason??

[bleedgreen]

yea pack0808---i said i apologized out of respect for the Armed Forces(and gritty was obviously a part if that--says Lonny)BUT, i never said that i took back anything that i said---i still stand by my words, i could have used some different ones to get my point across, i guess......Armed Forces or not, if i disagree with someone, or they take unnecessary shots at my Lobos, they will be called out and repremanded......sincerely yours, Bleedgreen....congrats on the win against TW..............

[farmerfan]

Carroll has played many teams with winning records. Coppell and Duncanville barely have winning records and did not until the past couple weeks. I know that SGP is good and I know that Trinity is good. The difference between those two teams and Carroll is that Carroll has not lost and when it came time to make a play Carroll made them. I don't remember the score of the 02 Sam Houston game, but I think that Carroll scored more points than Sam Houston. Where was SGP before this game? I don't remember when they were a top ten team before they beat Trinity and now all of a sudden they are. It is a weak argument to say that a team is one of the best after you lose to them. You don't see me calling Grapevine a top ten team even though they played really well.


SGP has been a very good team all year, its that Trinity and Carroll have dominated the publicity due to the seasons they have had. They have been in the DMN top 10 area poll for a while and ranked in the top 20 on this site for a while to.
How is it a weak argument to say SGP is now one of the best since they beat Trinity? I had not seen either team all year, from my own observations I concluded taht SGP is a very good team. If Carroll were to get them in the 1st round, I think thye would give yall a run for your money.
You also couldnt call Grapevine a great team because they have lost a few games, SGP has lost 1 game, to a team who is 9-0, so I think it is safe to say that SGP is a pretty solid football team.

You are right in that yall beat Sam Houston, I used them as a example because they were a team that had great athletes, but no discipline. SGP is the exact same as Sam except they have discipline and they are a better coached team. Whoever they get in the 1st round from district 5-5A, they will give them fits.

You use Coppell and Duncanville, I dont recall either team playing Duncanville, I do recall both playing Midland Lee and Coppell and I think the scores were very similar.

[pack0808]

SGP has been a very good team all year, its that Trinity and Carroll have dominated the publicity due to the seasons they have had. They have been in the DMN top 10 area poll for a while and ranked in the top 20 on this site for a while to.
How is it a weak argument to say SGP is now one of the best since they beat Trinity? I had not seen either team all year, from my own observations I concluded taht SGP is a very good team. If Carroll were to get them in the 1st round, I think thye would give yall a run for your money.
You also couldnt call Grapevine a great team because they have lost a few games, SGP has lost 1 game, to a team who is 9-0, so I think it is safe to say that SGP is a pretty solid football team.

You are right in that yall beat Sam Houston, I used them as a example because they were a team that had great athletes, but no discipline. SGP is the exact same as Sam except they have discipline and they are a better coached team. Whoever they get in the 1st round from district 5-5A, they will give them fits.

You use Coppell and Duncanville, I dont recall either team playing Duncanville, I do recall both playing Midland Lee and Coppell and I think the scores were very similar.


I am not trying to say the SGP is not a good team but it is hard to imagine those guys being so great if they lost 3-0 to a Irving Mac team the week before that lost almost 80 percent of their starters from the year before who lost to DR in the playoffs?? Just does not make sense??

[farmerfan]

I am not trying to say the SGP is not a good team but it is hard to imagine those guys being so great if they lost 3-0 to a Irving Mac team the week before that lost almost 80 percent of their starters from the year before who lost to DR in the playoffs?? Just does not make sense??


I-Mac is 9-0 right now, they must be doing something right. I-Mac was as good as Ryan last year, that playoff game was one of the best games played in the playoffs. I-Mac came up about 8 yards short of beating Ryan. It is unfortunate that the bi-district round will feature three very good football teams from one district (SGP,Trinity,I-mac) and have to play a first round that will feature DR and SLC, however I dont think Denton Ryan will be able to beat SGP or I-Mac. SGP is a team you would have to see to believe. I sat with Baylordad and one of his friends last night, both guys are very knowledgeable football fans, they saw the SGP/I-Mac game, I will take their word when they said SGP played their worst game of the year, things like that happen. The athletes that SGP has would match up with just about any team in this state. Their defense reminds me of a east texas defense, big, fast and hard hitting. You don't have to believe SGP being a "great" football team, I dont think those words were ever used, but they are a very good football team, and one that I believe has it in them to upset someone in the 1st round and make a deep playoff run.
I will go out on a limb and say this SGP version is as good as the 99 version that featured BJ Johnson and Gideon Lenord, they are very good.

[toonman]

Wait a minute what?? Did he just say that the majority of Lufkin fans were more arrogant then the majority of ET fan's. I challenge you to pull up a thread where a Lufkin fan said Lufkin is the greatest and is unbeatable or where we were telling the #1 team in the nation that we would kill them. I have seen several ET threads that have said those things have i not?? Do not babble garbage like that it makes your breath stink. ;)

pack0808 - I consider Lufkin fans to the fairest and balanced of all fans I have read on this website.

[gritty52]

Like I said yesterday I apologize if I accused anyone of trashing Trinity. If yaw want blood I'll try my best to give you some. Can't give much due to war injuries from the first Gulf war. Thanks for bleedgreen having some nice things to say about us VETS. Our day is Friday, but I'll be at Colleyville vs Grapevine game to see who we might play. PEACE!!!

[drgnbkr]

Like I said yesterday I apologize if I accused anyone of trashing Trinity. If yaw want blood I'll try my best to give you some. Can't give much due to war injuries from the first Gulf war. Thanks for bleedgreen having some nice things to say about us VETS. Our day is Friday, but I'll be at Colleyville vs Grapevine game to see who we might play. PEACE!!!

A bunch of us will be in Irving Thursday nite to watch Trinity / IMAC....good luck to you guys...99.9% of us will attack anyone disrespecting our troops/vets!

[dragons08]

is the trinity game on a thursday????

[drgnbkr]

is the trinity game on a thursday????
Thats a roger!

[dragons08]

Thats a roger!
at pennington??? 7:30?? and how are odds of getting tickets?? and lastly what side are the dragons gathering on?

[drgnbkr]

at pennington??? 7:30?? and how are odds of getting tickets?? and lastly what side are the dragons gathering on?

Irving school stadium...you can probably walk up & get seats on the home side....hey..I was right by the band equipment bus the other night waiting on the shuttle bus, & started to yell dragons08 but did'nt....

[dragons08]

Irving school stadium...you can probably walk up & get seats on the home side....
kk thanks, im going to look into attending this game, at least for the first half

[dragons08]

.hey..I was right by the band equipment bus the other night waiting on the shuttle bus, & started to yell dragons08 but did'nt....
oh man why not?? did you see two kids with a cart with speakers on them and saxophones on their neck??

[drgnbkr]

oh man why not?? did you see two kids with a cart with speakers on them and saxophones on their neck??

I remember seeing the cart...I'll introduce myself next time..do you go to Po Mels? Most of the team showed up..Renfro had an official visit to Baylor Saturday..might be a good fit for him with the quality of their track team - he wants to do both....

[RidgePride]

It depnds on point spread. I have heard several scenarios, but basically if Trinity beats IMac by something over a touchdown, very likely maybe, then they are champs. If IMac beats Trinity, they are champs and would be 10-0. This team needs some respect. They would be backing up the win over SGP.

SGP would have to beat Coppell next week coupled with a close win by Trinity ... The SGP win should happen, but I am not sure what the odds of a close win by Trinity. They will want to prove something going into the playoffs as well as being champ. All that aside, IMac is undefeated. It will make for an interesting game. But 6-5A and 5-5A are pretty tough this year period.

--Update-- Just found this from the Dallas Morning news ..

South Grand Prairie (8-1, 5-1), No. 7 in SportsDay's Class 5A area rankings, kept its District 6-5A title hopes alive with the victory against No. 2 Trinity in front of a crowd of about 11,500 Friday night at Pennington Field. Trinity, South Grand Prairie and Irving MacArthur will share the title if MacArthur beats Trinity and South Grand Prairie beats Coppell next week.

-- And maybe that would be fitting anyway ...

District Championships are split. The point differential thing is only for determining playoff rankings. So if Trinity beats Mac and SGP wins, there will be District Tri-Champions

[dragons08]

I remember seeing the cart...I'll introduce myself next time..do you go to Po Mels? Most of the team showed up..Renfro had an official visit to Baylor Saturday..might be a good fit for him with the quality of their track team - he wants to do both....
might not be doing that next time, not sure if its a one time deal or what, how about tech, he check that out?? imagine him and mcelroy together for 4 more years......ohhhhhhh mannnnnnn

[drgnbkr]

might not be doing that next time, not sure if its a one time deal or what, how about tech, he check that out?? imagine him and mcelroy together for 4 more years......ohhhhhhh mannnnnnn

Tech wants him but they want to gray shirt him to fatten him up for a year & thier track team is'nt great....

[dragons08]

Tech wants him but they want to gray shirt him to fatten him up for a year & thier track team is'nt great....
but hed make their track team better, they can build around him!!

[drgnbkr]

I'm sure he'll go somewhere..it must be fun deciding...I just had to find a school that would accept me & my baggage....(grades).... :D

[dragons08]

I'm sure he'll go somewhere..it must be fun deciding...I just had to find a school that would accept me & my baggage....(grades).... :D
TCC?? :p

[drgnbkr]

TCC?? :p


Uof H Phi Slamma Jama days!

[LoneStarProud]

While I don't agree with the harshness of Toonman's post, I think it's time for all of us "powerhouses" to taste some humble pie and bite the bullet.

SLC 28-23
Longview 21-14
ET (loss)

We all looked human and awful tonight.

But truthfully ET fans...let's be a little bit more prudent with our "ET IS THE GREATEST" posts from now on.

Well said

[cougardude]

No tears you fool - I don't care if we have a perfect record - you really need to get some intelligence before you post anymore!


:D :D :D :D ;)

[lonny23]

Uof H Phi Slamma Jama days!
How about the Louisville basketball team with the combined IQ of 20? :D

[lonny23]

they've already lost to IMac 3-0.
I was talking about Grand Prairie going 0-10 because somebody said they were decent.

[lonny23]

If SLC lost to the first team that had a winning record and had not won district the previous year, then I think I would call them a pretender. This was Trinity's first game against a team with a winning record (Translation: Trinity had not played anyone good before this game). I think that this warrants pretender status. I may be in the minority on this point, but I think that it is valid.

After all the articles that I have read, I have come to the conclusion that it is done for intimidation. I don't think there would be any other reason to do it in public.

What is this supposed to mean? Is this trash talking? Is this implying that since I have dissed your dance Trinity will beat Carroll?

Actually I would rather not lose at all.
The more you talk, the more you expose yourself. You're attacking ET because people say they're a threat to beat you. Just let the boys go out and win or lose to ET on the field.

[lonny23]

Wait a minute what?? Did he just say that the majority of Lufkin fans were more arrogant then the majority of ET fan's. I challenge you to pull up a thread where a Lufkin fan said Lufkin is the greatest and is unbeatable or where we were telling the #1 team in the nation that we would kill them. I have seen several ET threads that have said those things have i not?? Do not babble garbage like that it makes your breath stink. ;)
Pack,

He spoke the truth because the 3 teams he mentioned have the collective worst fans on the board. I'm not indicting the whole group, but he was 100% dead-on in his analysis. I'm not arguing or disagreeing with you guys this year, but I can honestly say the fans from the 3 teams aren't any better than you were last year and that's a shame. Not once did I say a thing in a personal attack and I met up with a lot of people that acted like complete jerks and threw out every insult possible. I'd hope at some point the fans would start to act like an adult. The people doing it are adults and not kids.

[lonny23]

Although i too respect the military considering my dad was a vietnam vet that was shot in the leg. I also respect anybody that has fought for our freedom's. But it still does not give him a golden ticket to be a smart A and trash our respective team poster's does it?? I have never commented on a ET thread in my life until last night(and i was respectful) but he continues to come in ours to rip us for some odd reason??
I have to agree with you. He did attack more after I said something. On the other hand, you are quick with the trigger and bring on a lot of comments.

[drgnbkr]

How about the Louisville basketball team with the combined IQ of 20? :D
I don't know if the Coogs could have been any higher, to take NC State as lightly as they did....

[drgnbkr]

Pack,

He spoke the truth because the 3 teams he mentioned have the collective worst fans on the board. I'm not indicting the whole group, but he was 100% dead-on in his analysis. I'm not arguing or disagreeing with you guys this year, but I can honestly say the fans from the 3 teams aren't any better than you were last year and that's a shame. Not once did I say a thing in a personal attack and I met up with a lot of people that acted like complete jerks and threw out every insult possible. I'd hope at some point the fans would start to act like an adult. The people doing it are adults and not kids.

Lonny, you can't just do a drive-by and throw a bomb without getting called out. Are you including Carroll in your list? get real...

[lonny23]

I don't know if the Coogs could have been any higher, to take NC State as lightly as they did....
That wouldn't never happened now. On one hand, they thought they won the title on Saturday, but I also know the no shot clock rule and foul continuously and force 1 and 1's played a big part in it.

[drgnbkr]

That wouldn't never happened now. On one hand, they thought they won the title on Saturday, but I also know the no shot clock rule and foul continuously and force 1 and 1's played a big part in it.

Guy Lewis was not a real controlling type of coach..he just rolled the ball out & said "light em up boys".....

[zippy]

A below average Grapevine team is more like it. What a lot of people are not realizing is that just because you have a bad game and lose, or almost lose does not mean you are overated. SV had lost 2, and almost beat SLC last year. ET has only lost one, and are a better team than SV was last year. I still see them going far into the playoffs. Sometimes a loss is what a team needs to win a title. It makes them play harder for the rest of the year.


Frankly, I think this thread is a touch insulting.

SGP doesn't suck, and I am sure Trinity played their guts out. It's not like they got humiliated by a horrible squad.

Hell, we struggled against an average Grapevine team. Are we pretenders too?

:(

~DnM

[lonny23]

Guy Lewis was not a real controlling type of coach..he just rolled the ball out & said "light em up boys".....
I loved those boys. That was my favorite basketball team of all time! :D

[drgnbkr]

I loved those boys. That was my favorite basketball team of all time! :D
They were fun to watch..they partied a little too hard the night before the championship game & got beat....I always felt sorry for Guy Lewis..he should have had that ring...

[pack0808]

I have to agree with you. He did attack more after I said something. On the other hand, you are quick with the trigger and bring on a lot of comments.


Lonny you have a lot of nerve to criticize me or any lp fan man about how we have quick trigger's how we are arrogant or rude at times?? When did you become JC of the board?? You went almost 1 year posting to irritate certain fans and have even admitted it?? I do like you Lonny and know you are a good person, but i am sensing some major hypocrisy with that statement. Again, show me one thread were Lufkin fan's were claiming Lufkin #1 this year?? I have not seen one but maybe i missed it?? In fact, not one Lufkin fan ranked them higher then #3 in any of the top 10 threads. I am not claiming all Lufkin poster's are not arrogant or rude at times. I can go off as quick as anybody but 99 out of 100 i am responding to somebody. I do not look for arguments!! I hold my tongue more then you would think?? I am just brutally honest at times and very opinionated and i am trying to work on doing it in a more civilized way. I am not claiming to be an angel because God know's i am not. I was not rude when i first commented in this thread by the way.

[farmerfan]

Lonny you have a lot of nerve to criticize me or any lp fan man about how we have quick trigger's how we are arrogant or rude at times?? When did you become JC of the board?? You went almost 1 year posting to irritate certain fans and have even admitted it?? I do like you Lonny and know you are a good person, but i am sensing some major hypocrisy with that statement. Again, show me one thread were Lufkin fan's were claiming Lufkin #1 this year?? I have not seen one but maybe i missed it?? In fact, not one Lufkin fan ranked them higher then #3 in any of the top 10 threads. I am not claiming all Lufkin poster's are not arrogant or rude at times. I can go off as quick as anybody but 99 out of 100 i am responding to somebody. I do not look for arguments!! I hold my tongue more then you would think?? I am just brutally honest at times and very opinionated and i am trying to work on doing it in a more civilized way. I am not claiming to be an angel because God know's i am not. I was not rude when i first commented in this thread by the way.

pack
its all part of lonny's master plan to become post count leader, dont take the bait, it will give him more reason to say something and get a argument going.

As far as LP fans, you are right, all the ones on this board are very classy, they love their pack and have never run down any program. In fact, this year we have heard less from Lufkin fans than the previous 3 years, add that to the season Lufkin is having and I can only imagine how scary a football team they are.

[pack0808]

pack
its all part of lonny's master plan to become post count leader, dont take the bait, it will give him more reason to say something and get a argument going.

As far as LP fans, you are right, all the ones on this board are very classy, they love their pack and have never run down any program. In fact, this year we have heard less from Lufkin fans than the previous 3 years, add that to the season Lufkin is having and I can only imagine how scary a football team they are.


LOL farmer!! He is reeling me in huh?? ;)

[gritty52]

Don't this thread read Euless Trinity!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't we stick to that? NCState, Lufkin etc.

[drgnbkr]

Don't this thread read Euless Trinity!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't we stick to that? NCState, Lufkin etc.

The subject just gets us started..once we roll...who knows?..... :rolleyes:

[pack0808]

Don't this thread read Euless Trinity!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't we stick to that? NCState, Lufkin etc.


Amazing!! Simply amazing!! Should i really look up all of the times you have entered a Lufkin or a Longview thread to tell us how we think our crap does not stink. Should i really have to do that?? LOL Egads you just won the hypocrite of the year award!! :eek: I will send your trophy via email. ;)

[drgnbkr]

Yeah, what he said...and since there were no Trinity posters joining us we hijacked it :D and talked about some interesting stuff...like U of H Basketball, Lonny's master plan & other earthshaking subjects....

[gritty52]

I'm calling your bluff! Let me know how many times I have been on a post (thats Longview and whoever) and talked about other stuff. I'll be on tommorrow for my answer. Goes back to another post I read today about you green and purple folks, and not I'm not the only one that thinks this if it ain't green or purple you aren't much. I'm still standing by my guns that the Trinity faithful have been wrongfully accused. You green and purple folks run your pie holes alot more than anybody on here, as Forest says stupid is as stupid does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pack0808]

I should have said other thread's that has nothing to do with ET considering that is what you were going off about. Here we go hypcrite are you ready?? ;) It might have not have all been in Lufkin and Longview thread's but it was in other team's thread's and that is the whole point is it not?? Considering you said that this was a ET thread what does this have to do with anybody else i think it is the point!!

DR beat's themselves thread
gritty quote Sakatha if you can come get there by 7. This is a good rivalry game and We (ET) don't take anyone for granted. Thers rumor there might be several SLC people there tonight. If you come the HAKA will... etc etc

DR beat's themselves thread
gritty quote Longview has played mediocre teams and so has SLC. You Longview folks think you rule the state. I'm not a Southlake fan, but hey folks it's lonely at the top. My son plays at ET and I'm not taking... etc etc


In defense of Longview thread
gritty quote If it happens think the game will be at Texas stadium or where? I know it's lonely at the top (SLC) and try my best to defend the metroplex teams when people get on them. These are kids and I bet... etc etc


Colerain vs Tyler Lee thread
gritty quote OK Colerain is over. Is it true Colerain controlled the offensive line??? They should be getting back to Texas and getting ready for Trinty's O line. :) etc etc

Colerain vs Tyler Lee thread
gritty quote Trinity and the HAKA will be in Tyler next Friday. Sure hope no one got hurt tonight!! Don't won't any excuses!!! :) etc etc

Grapevine thread
gritty quote Would there be possibility of a Trinity vs. SLC first round playoff? That is if SLC goes Div 1!!! :) etc etc


Colerain thread
gritty quote Please don't get anyone hurt Tyler Lee!!!!!! Trinity and the HAKA will be there on the 16th. We won't you at full strength. Don't know the outcome but don't want excuses either. We'll be at full... etc etc


Waco vs Tyler Lee thread
gritty quote Well Tyler Lee the Trinity Trojans will be there in 2 weeks. Beat Midland Lee tonight 63-34. We only had 606 yards of offense and 1 of our 2 studs had 216 yards. They scored mostly on our JV defense... etc etc

Colerain thread
gritty quote IF the Florida team rushed for 300 plus yards on Tyler Lee they better be ready. Trinity has 2 RB's that can do that to them. Also I forgot this little item Trinity can pass too!!!! Also will be... etc etc


You get my point!! only 1 was a Longview thread and there was no Lufkin thread but you get my point. I was wrong on that point but not on the big picture at all!! That was part of the challenge and i obliged!! He was screaming how dare anybody bring up another team in a ET thread yet he does it all of the time in other team's thread's so that is why i say HYPOCRITE ;)

[lonny23]

They were fun to watch..they partied a little too hard the night before the championship game & got beat....I always felt sorry for Guy Lewis..he should have had that ring...
Guy should've had a few rings. I always liked the napkin!

[gritty52]

OK We all know now you don't have much of a life! You can't when you get this rediculous. I called your bluff and you answered it. Most of what you found there was my opinion on threads on teams we were going to play or played. I wasn't talking about NCState. We all have some hippicrit in us and I'm man enough to admit it are you? I forgot if you are purple or green you don't squat to take a crap like the rest of us. Your not worth my time, and to keep peace I'm done with you mightier than though green and purple folks. Will not anwer to any of your ridulous smart *** remarks. We'll see who is pretending in the end.

[pack0808]

OK We all know now you don't have much of a life! You can't when you get this rediculous. I called your bluff and you answered it. Most of what you found there was my opinion on threads on teams we were going to play or played. I wasn't talking about NCState. We all have some hippicrit in us and I'm man enough to admit it are you? I forgot if you are purple or green you don't squat to take a crap like the rest of us. Your not worth my time, and to keep peace I'm done with you mightier than though green and purple folks. Will not anwer to any of your ridulous smart *** remarks. We'll see who is pretending in the end.


Typical!! a bs'er called me out and i proved he is full of sh-- and he responds with the no life comment. LOL Desperate would be an understatement!! It took me no more then 8 minutes to look that up come on?? It is called cut and paste do some research!! Just lick your wounds like a man and move on. :rolleyes: When you call somebody out make sure you sure you look up the fact's my friend. I know i am going to cry all night knowing that gritty is not going to waste his time on me anymore how about the rest of you green and purple folks?? LMAO How will i get up in the am?? ;)

[lonny23]

Lonny you have a lot of nerve to criticize me or any lp fan man about how we have quick trigger's how we are arrogant or rude at times?? When did you become JC of the board?? You went almost 1 year posting to irritate certain fans and have even admitted it?? I do like you Lonny and know you are a good person, but i am sensing some major hypocrisy with that statement. Again, show me one thread were Lufkin fan's were claiming Lufkin #1 this year?? I have not seen one but maybe i missed it?? In fact, not one Lufkin fan ranked them higher then #3 in any of the top 10 threads. I am not claiming all Lufkin poster's are not arrogant or rude at times. I can go off as quick as anybody but 99 out of 100 i am responding to somebody. I do not look for arguments!! I hold my tongue more then you would think?? I am just brutally honest at times and very opinionated and i am trying to work on doing it in a more civilized way. I am not claiming to be an angel because God know's i am not. I was not rude when i first commented in this thread by the way.
I didn't say anybody from Lufkin made comments about being #1. I didn't even say you guys were predicting a state title. I did say you get upset quickly and I was commenting that perceived criticism is most of the time met with harsh words by LP fans. You know that's true.

I did say some things for 2 months last year to get a reaction because of how your fans acted, but I wasn't trying to do that most of the time. I even apologized for it. I knew I was wrong. I sure didn't like the personal attacks from others and that was something I never did. I'm not bitter about it, but not one of you guys ever apologized for all the mean things you said about me personally.

I haven't done anything all year, but I still see the same people reacting to others the same way. It's not just LP fans.

I know you're honest and I like you a lot. Holding your tongue is one thing, but not being so quick to take offense is the big thing. It's not always how you preceive it, but there are people out there who want a fight. Most of the time, it's just people talking trash. I do know that many people get in a lot of fights because they react to somebody else talking trash in the wrong manner. I would say all this privately if it was just something with you, but it's a lot more widespread. I feel like I have to do my part to be a peacemaker.

[lonny23]

pack
its all part of lonny's master plan to become post count leader, dont take the bait, it will give him more reason to say something and get a argument going.

As far as LP fans, you are right, all the ones on this board are very classy, they love their pack and have never run down any program. In fact, this year we have heard less from Lufkin fans than the previous 3 years, add that to the season Lufkin is having and I can only imagine how scary a football team they are.
No, there's no bait in what I said. I stand by everything I said because I know it's true. I like Pack, but I have to be honest. I'm not looking for a fight, but I have to stand up for what's right sometimes.

[LPFAN]

OK We all know now you don't have much of a life! You can't when you get this rediculous. I called your bluff and you answered it. Most of what you found there was my opinion on threads on teams we were going to play or played. I wasn't talking about NCState. We all have some hippicrit in us and I'm man enough to admit it are you? I forgot if you are purple or green you don't squat to take a crap like the rest of us. Your not worth my time, and to keep peace I'm done with you mightier than though green and purple folks. Will not anwer to any of your ridulous smart *** remarks. We'll see who is pretending in the end.
Ummmmm.........ok if you say so. That is sad that you refer to all Lufkin fans (Purple Folks) as being that way. Why would you judge all by the actions of a few? If anything that is more messed up then all of the smack talk and thread hijacking that you were talking about to begin with. You might want to get to know other board members better before you go putting all of them in the garbage.

[lonny23]

Amazing!! Simply amazing!! Should i really look up all of the times you have entered a Lufkin or a Longview thread to tell us how we think our crap does not stink. Should i really have to do that?? LOL Egads you just won the hypocrite of the year award!! :eek: I will send your trophy via email. ;)
Does that mean I have to give back the trophy you just gave me? ;)

[pack0808]

I didn't say anybody from Lufkin made comments about being #1. I didn't even say you guys were predicting a state title. I did say you get upset quickly and I was commenting that perceived criticism is most of the time met with harsh words by LP fans. You know that's true.

I did say some things for 2 months last year to get a reaction because of how your fans acted, but I wasn't trying to do that most of the time. I even apologized for it. I knew I was wrong. I sure didn't like the personal attacks from others and that was something I never did. I'm not bitter about it, but not one of you guys ever apologized for all the mean things you said about me personally.

I haven't done anything all year, but I still see the same people reacting to others the same way. It's not just LP fans.

I know you're honest and I like you a lot. Holding your tongue is one thing, but not being so quick to take offense is the big thing. It's not always how you preceive it, but there are people out there who want a fight. Most of the time, it's just people talking trash. I do know that many people get in a lot of fights because they react to somebody else talking trash in the wrong manner. I would say all this privately if it was just something with you, but it's a lot more widespread. I feel like I have to do my part to be a peacemaker.

I can respect that Lonny and i know i can be quick to react and be a major smart A look above. ;) I understand what you are trying to do and it is appreciated. I need to crash my friend tc.

[farmerfan]

No, there's no bait in what I said. I stand by everything I said because I know it's true. I like Pack, but I have to be honest. I'm not looking for a fight, but I have to stand up for what's right sometimes.


well considering how you were a year ago, I dont think you are the right person to call someone out or say where someone is wrong, you were as bad as anyone when it came to provoking people.

[pack0808]

Does that mean I have to give back the trophy you just gave me? ;)


LOL Lonny. Good night people!! In the end it is just freakin hs football!! No matter what i say in here it is not meant to be personal. It is just sport's talk and sometimes we all get heated and react when somebody questions us. It is called pride and most men have plenty of it. LOL Again, good night!! Work will come early in the am and then it will be off to trick or treat with the kids!! Hopefully i will get back in time to catch the steelers. My boys won today so if the steelers won it would be a good week in the NFL. :D Later

[lonny23]

well considering how you were a year ago, I dont think you are the right person to call someone out or say where someone is wrong, you were as bad as anyone when it came to provoking people.
At what point should I start? My viewpoint has always been if I say something and somebody gets mad, where do you lay the blame for the situation. I can be in the wrong because of my words, but the person on the receiving end can be hot tempered, too. I most definitely was in the wrong at times, but a lot of it and what started the whole mess was me stating what I saw and being disappointed in game performance. It was my opinion. I know I was too harsh at times in my words.

Somebody has to say something about what goes on around here. Most people on the board won't do it because there's an Old Boy network around here of taking up for the veterans and long-time posters.

[lonny23]

LOL Lonny. Good night people!! In the end it is just freakin hs football!! No matter what i say in here it is not meant to be personal. It is just sport's talk and sometimes we all get heated and react when somebody questions us. It is called pride and most men have plenty of it. LOL Again, good night!! Work will come early in the am and then it will be off to trick or treat with the kids!! Hopefully i will get back in time to catch the steelers. My boys won today so if the steelers won it would be a good week in the NFL. :D Later
Good night. I would've never said anything if you hadn't just said that! :D

[farmerfan]

At what point should I start? My viewpoint has always been if I say something and somebody gets mad, where do you lay the blame for the situation. I can be in the wrong because of my words, but the person on the receiving end can be hot tempered, too. I most definitely was in the wrong at times, but a lot of it and what started the whole mess was me stating what I saw and being disappointed in game performance. It was my opinion. I know I was too harsh at times in my words.

Somebody has to say something about what goes on around here. Most people on the board won't do it because there's an Old Boy network around here of taking up for the veterans and long-time posters.


What exactly goes on that has you so worried? as long as the conversation stays clean, there is nothing wrong with civilized deabte, which is what we generally get on here.
I dont think your so called "OB" network exists like you think, if it does I would love to see examples.

[DragonFan]

Most of us are boys and some of us are old but does that make this an "old Boy network"? I guess I can deal with an ol boy network better than the new cable channel "All Boy Network!" :eek:

[lonny23]

What exactly goes on that has you so worried? as long as the conversation stays clean, there is nothing wrong with civilized deabte, which is what we generally get on here.
I dont think your so called "OB" network exists like you think, if it does I would love to see examples.
You said all the Lufkin posters were the classiest out there and how respectful they were a few minutes ago. They respect other programs, but they don't respect other posters if you don't kiss LP's butt. That's not the whole lot, but it is a major part of what gets said. They get in a lot of arguments. The same things are true about Longview and SLC. Longview and Lufkin fight with each other some, but will take up for one another against somebody else. You know some SLC posters are combative.

This is a football forum and we don't have to agree with each other. I have no problem with people talking trash and saying they're going to beat somebody, but I don't like it when people take it personally. We've been saying stuff about the Reagan-Judson game, but nobody is getting upset.

[lonny23]

Most of us are boys and some of us are old but does that make this an "old Boy network"? I guess I can deal with an ol boy network better than the new cable channel "All Boy Network!" :eek:
Yeah, I prefer to see a few women on TV, too.

[farmerfan]

You said all the Lufkin posters were the classiest out there and how respectful they were a few minutes ago. They respect other programs, but they don't respect other posters if you don't kiss LP's butt. That's not the whole lot, but it is a major part of what gets said. They get in a lot of arguments. The same things are true about Longview and SLC. Longview and Lufkin fight with each other some, but will take up for one another against somebody else. You know some SLC posters are combative.

This is a football forum and we don't have to agree with each other. I have no problem with people talking trash and saying they're going to beat somebody, but I don't like it when people take it personally. We've been saying stuff about the Reagan-Judson game, but nobody is getting upset.


twisting words are you? I said they were a classy bunch, and 99.9% of the time they dont run down other programs. When provoked they respond back, which anyone would do. Same with the Carroll and Longview posters, when talking football you will get into the discussion of which team is better, and at times it will get heated, but for the most part it stays clean. Maybe we get a lot of it out of Lufkin, Longview and Carroll because over the last 3 years they have been the best programs in Texas. There also is the old notion to put the people on the ignore list or just not read the topic, its the job of the admins to regulate this board, not yours.
Now I remember someone posting under two different names, and trying to start crap with people just this past summer, so obvisouly you loved the arguments and watching people get fired up, can't have it both ways lonny.

[SLC13]

Yeah, where is the "Texas Hammer"????????????

[lonny23]

twisting words are you? I said they were a classy bunch, and 99.9% of the time they dont run down other programs. When provoked they respond back, which anyone would do. Same with the Carroll and Longview posters, when talking football you will get into the discussion of which team is better, and at times it will get heated, but for the most part it stays clean. Maybe we get a lot of it out of Lufkin, Longview and Carroll because over the last 3 years they have been the best programs in Texas. There also is the old notion to put the people on the ignore list or just not read the topic, its the job of the admins to regulate this board, not yours.
Now I remember someone posting under two different names, and trying to start crap with people just this past summer, so obvisouly you loved the arguments and watching people get fired up, can't have it both ways lonny.
I argued with myself a few times just for a little fun. I didn't argue with anybody else. You can go back and look it up because Headliner only has a little over 500 posts. All I was doing was seeing what people would say when Lonny was attacked without responding in anger. What you'll find is that the Judson posters never got mad about what Headliner said.

I agree it's their job to run the board, but I don't think they'll complain if others say stuff to help keep it positive. I look for somebody like you to help move things along, just like I look for others to do it. Yes, we have the KT's, but they're not everywhere all the time.

You made part of my point, Farmer. When discussing football, it doesn't have to or need to get heated. We're talking about football and opinions. There's no reason to get upset. Holding one's tongue is a hard thing to do, but it can be done. You don't know how many times I've wanted to say stuff in the past, but I didn't do it because that's not how I'm supposed to react. All I'm looking for is you to say people shouldn't get upset and say mean things to one another. Throwing insults is a copout to not have good logical discussions. It's, "I'm taking my toys and going home."

[lonny23]

Yeah, where is the "Texas Hammer"????????????
He showed up with lonny22 and lonny23 a few days ago. You missed him! :D

[lonny23]

twisting words are you? I said they were a classy bunch, and 99.9% of the time they dont run down other programs. When provoked they respond back, which anyone would do. Same with the Carroll and Longview posters, when talking football you will get into the discussion of which team is better, and at times it will get heated, but for the most part it stays clean. Maybe we get a lot of it out of Lufkin, Longview and Carroll because over the last 3 years they have been the best programs in Texas. There also is the old notion to put the people on the ignore list or just not read the topic, its the job of the admins to regulate this board, not yours.
Now I remember someone posting under two different names, and trying to start crap with people just this past summer, so obvisouly you loved the arguments and watching people get fired up, can't have it both ways lonny.
That sentence right there is at the crux of everything I've said in the last year since I stopped trying to make people mad. It's the crux of why I did try to make people mad on occasion. There are fans on this board who don't act that way and that is what makes me call out the others. Some people around here act like stark raving madmen and I wanted to stick it to them since they couldn't control their emotions. It was wrong as the day is long and I apologized for it, but don't think for one minute it's anybody else's fault they get mad but themselves. They have to look in the mirror just like I do. I take this stuff seriously and don't want to project a bad image as a Hall of Famer. We have to stay calm and not lose our cool. Others that come after us will follow what we do and if we want the board to be a better place, we have to set the example.

[farmerfan]

Lonny
There is nothing wrong with holding back things, you are mature and wise enough to do it in a manner which would be civil, dont understand why you would hold it back.
I have been posting on this board for 3 years now, and for the most part it has stayed clean and civilized, the ones who go overboard get booted real quck. In my time posting on this board, I think for the most part have kept things pretty civilized, I have had my disagreements, but never attacked anyone, and the same goes with those who disagree with me, trust me just about everyone on this board has had a disagreement with someone and it makes for good debate, if we all got along this board would be no fun, if we didnt disagree then there would be nothing to talk about. I just dont see where this police monitoring is coming from. I guess I would like you to provide some examples of what it is you are refering to, cause it seems to me that everything is as good as it ever has been on this site, but thats just my opinion.

[lonny23]

Lonny
There is nothing wrong with holding back things, you are mature and wise enough to do it in a manner which would be civil, dont understand why you would hold it back.
I have been posting on this board for 3 years now, and for the most part it has stayed clean and civilized, the ones who go overboard get booted real quck. In my time posting on this board, I think for the most part have kept things pretty civilized, I have had my disagreements, but never attacked anyone, and the same goes with those who disagree with me, trust me just about everyone on this board has had a disagreement with someone and it makes for good debate, if we all got along this board would be no fun, if we didnt disagree then there would be nothing to talk about. I just dont see where this police monitoring is coming from. I guess I would like you to provide some examples of what it is you are refering to, cause it seems to me that everything is as good as it ever has been on this site, but thats just my opinion.I'll give you quotes from big-time posters, but I'll take away the names.

[farmerfan]

I'll give you quotes from big-time posters, but I'll take away the names.

ok, well if im one, then feel free to use my name.

[gritty52]

You sound real tough behind that computer. Bleedgreen you are probably 5'8 140 pound punk that has never played a day in his life. Trying to get your east texas yoyo's behind you. We'll see who the pretenders are in the long run. It's amazing to see the way yaw talk crap and no one is suppose to rebut you folks. I slept great last night referring once again to your smart remark. See ya hippocrit have a nice time out there in Longkin.

[dragonfootballfan]

The more you talk, the more you expose yourself. You're attacking ET because people say they're a threat to beat you. Just let the boys go out and win or lose to ET on the field.
That is not why I am "attacking" Trinity. In fact I am not attacking Trinity at all. With all arguments there are people on both sides of them. I laid out some good points about them being a pretender and some people have refuted them, while others feel they must instead call me names or tell me what I am thinking. Trinity was exposed for what they were on Friday night and it will be interesting to see what happens on Thursday.

[nsmustang]

Katy has won titles with regular season losses. SLC looks like they had did not have it easy either last week as good as they are. ET and SLC will still be a good game. You never know....

[lonny23]

Typical!! a bs'er called me out and i proved he is full of sh-- and he responds with the no life comment. LOL Desperate would be an understatement!! It took me no more then 8 minutes to look that up come on?? It is called cut and paste do some research!! Just lick your wounds like a man and move on. :rolleyes: When you call somebody out make sure you sure you look up the fact's my friend. I know i am going to cry all night knowing that gritty is not going to waste his time on me anymore how about the rest of you green and purple folks?? LMAO How will i get up in the am?? ;)

noone is talking smack about you....you are just a loud-mouthed punk who has been doing alot of bragging....you and i got into this a few weeks ago about this VERY subject, didn't we, big mouth!!!! i told you guys not to proclaim your championship just yet...i caught so much flack and crap from your smart-a**, didn't i???....you just lay back and shut your mouth...how dare you talk to 2 "hall of famers" like that!!! you should be shot at 10 paces!!

OK, there are others out there, but it's not as bad as it seems. The 2 quotes I did put up there happen somewhat frequently, but that type of stuff comes from the vast minority of posters. Most people are very classy and disagreements usually are decided amicably. Some of the people I can remember saying things they shouldn't have said are in line most of the time. The rude posts bother me, but it's not a large part in the grand scheme of things. I'll make future opinions private.

[lonny23]

That is not why I am "attacking" Trinity. In fact I am not attacking Trinity at all. With all arguments there are people on both sides of them. I laid out some good points about them being a pretender and some people have refuted them, while others feel they must instead call me names or tell me what I am thinking. Trinity was exposed for what they were on Friday night and it will be interesting to see what happens on Thursday.
You might be right. I don't know how you feel. I don't see ET as getting exposed, though. I think SGP is a real good team and they could put a scare in SLC, too.

[lonny23]

ok, well if im one, then feel free to use my name.
No, I don't need to do that. I don't want a huge fight.

[dragonfootballfan]

You might be right. I don't know how you feel. I don't see ET as getting exposed, though. I think SGP is a real good team and they could put a scare in SLC, too.
There is no doubt about SGP being good and their is no doubt about ET being good, but Trinity is not as good as they were portrayed all year and SGP is not as good as some of the Tinity posters have portrayed them after they beat Trinity/

[pack0808]

You sound real tough behind that computer. Bleedgreen you are probably 5'8 140 pound punk that has never played a day in his life. Trying to get your east texas yoyo's behind you. We'll see who the pretenders are in the long run. It's amazing to see the way yaw talk crap and no one is suppose to rebut you folks. I slept great last night referring once again to your smart remark. See ya hippocrit have a nice time out there in Longkin.


See i will not even bother with this fool!! I am going to show restraint because it is simply not worth it. One thing though, I have seen bleedgreen and he is freind of mine in here and a guy that used to hang out with some of my old friends and he is far far from 5'8 140. Dude is nothing but muscle and ripped is an understatement. He played football for Longview by the way. He is not scared of you that i promise you and he would say anything to your face. Just like i am not scared of you!! But i do not come on here to be a bad A i come to talk football. I am nothing but a family man that loves sport's and loves cheering for my alma mater. Nothing more. We had a disagreement wuppedeedo let's move on.

I need to go use the bathroom now and i will not even bother flushing considering my crap does not stink. ;) take care gritty

[lonny23]

There is no doubt about SGP being good and their is no doubt about ET being good, but Trinity is not as good as they were portrayed all year and SGP is not as good as some of the Tinity posters have portrayed them after they beat Trinity/
I still think there is hope that Trinity might be as good as most of us think they are, but not as good as ET fans think they are. That's the way I was with Judson last year. I still think SGP is real dangerous, though. That bunch from Imac just refuses to lose.

[dragonfootballfan]

I still think there is hope that Trinity might be as good as most of us think they are, but not as good as ET fans think they are. That's the way I was with Judson last year. I still think SGP is real dangerous, though. That bunch from Imac just refuses to lose.
yes, so you agree that they were pretenders in the sense of what their fans were saying.

[lonny23]

See i will not even bother with this fool!! I am going to show restraint because it is simply not worth it. One thing though, I have seen bleedgreen and he is freind of mine in here and a guy that used to hang out with some of my old friends and he is far far from 5'8 140. Dude is nothing but muscle and ripped is an understatement. He played football for Longview by the way. He is not scared of you that i promise you that and it would say anything to your face. Just like i am not scared of you!! But i do not come on here to be a bad A i come to talk football. I am nothing but a family man that loves sport's and loves cheering for my alma mater. Nothing more. We had a disagreement wuppedeedo let's move on.

I need to go use the bathroom now and i will not even bother flushing considering my crap does not stink. ;) take care gritty
You know, I had hope for this thread to be civil again and it is for the most part. If you show restraint, he'll back off.

I don't know about that toilet part, though! ;)

[farmerfan]

There is no doubt about SGP being good and their is no doubt about ET being good, but Trinity is not as good as they were portrayed all year and SGP is not as good as some of the Tinity posters have portrayed them after they beat Trinity/


how do you know?
have you seen SGP play?
have you seen Trinity play?
I have seen both, even though Trinity lost, they are a very good football team, them losing does not deminish anything they want to accomplish. A win this week will still get them a district championship and put them in a posistion to fight for a state title. I am glad I am not a I-Mac fan or player, cause this week they are going to get the best from Trinity, I think Trinity will come out on fire this week and looking to gain a lot of momentum going into the playoffs.
The SGP team I saw play on Friday night is very good, and one that would give anyone in this state a tough football game.
Maybe you need to actually witness something before you post your thoughts.

[lonny23]

yes, so you agree that they were pretenders in the sense of what their fans were saying.
If their fans said they were unbeatable, I have to agree. I can't say they were getting better each week, but they did have some nice wins early in the year. Judson looked like the 4 horsemen last year until Westfield shot the horses! :p

[farmerfan]

No, I don't need to do that. I don't want a huge fight.

wouldnt be a fight, im just curious if i fell into what you were saying happens on this board.

[lonny23]

how do you know?
have you seen SGP play?
have you seen Trinity play?
I have seen both, even though Trinity lost, they are a very good football team, them losing does not deminish anything they want to accomplish. A win this week will still get them a district championship and put them in a posistion to fight for a state title. I am glad I am not a I-Mac fan or player, cause this week they are going to get the best from Trinity, I think Trinity will come out on fire this week and looking to gain a lot of momentum going into the playoffs.
The SGP team I saw play on Friday night is very good, and one that would give anyone in this state a tough football game.
Maybe you need to actually witness something before you post your thoughts.
I tend to put stock in your insight and those 6-5A teams at the top are tough to beat. A good Coppell team will be sitting home this year.

[lonny23]

wouldnt be a fight, im just curious if i fell into what you were saying happens on this board.
For the most part, I have to say no. I haven't hung out on a lot of the threads you are on and never developed an opinion where you were bad and I automatically keyed in on something you said.

[pack0808]

ET definitely could still win the div1 championship. 1 loss in the regular season means nothing as long as you put it together in the playoffs.

[lonny23]

ET definitely could still win the div1 championship. 1 loss in the regular season means nothing as long as you put it together in the playoffs.
Right on. We make too big of a deal out of undefeated seasons. I guess it's a big deal for some teams and the whole national title thing, but the main thing is to be playing good football all through the playoffs and be lucky enough to win 5 or 6 without losing.

[dragonfootballfan]

how do you know?
have you seen SGP play?
have you seen Trinity play?
I have seen both, even though Trinity lost, they are a very good football team, them losing does not deminish anything they want to accomplish. A win this week will still get them a district championship and put them in a posistion to fight for a state title. I am glad I am not a I-Mac fan or player, cause this week they are going to get the best from Trinity, I think Trinity will come out on fire this week and looking to gain a lot of momentum going into the playoffs.
The SGP team I saw play on Friday night is very good, and one that would give anyone in this state a tough football game.
Maybe you need to actually witness something before you post your thoughts.
I have witnessed enough to be able to post what I am writing. Trinity would rather lose a game and not win an out-right district championship. They don't want to accomplish that. I think that can win the award for best dance team. I don't know how a team that was billed as the best team in the state by several "experts" and fans can lose a game and not be called a pretender. Were they not "pretending" to be the best in the state, before they lost. After they lost nobody can honestly call them the best in the state. At best they would be second best, but I would not go that far. Before this game who did they play that had a winning record going into their game? The truth is not even their "unifying" ritual could pull them together to beat the first good team that they have had to play for a full four quarters.

[lonny23]

I have witnessed enough to be able to post what I am writing. Trinity would rather lose a game and not win an out-right district championship. They don't want to accomplish that. I think that can win the award for best dance team. I don't know how a team that was billed as the best team in the state by several "experts" and fans can lose a game and not be called a pretender. Were they not "pretending" to be the best in the state, before they lost. After they lost nobody can honestly call them the best in the state. At best they would be second best, but I would not go that far. Before this game who did they play that had a winning record going into their game? The truth is not even their "unifying" ritual could pull them together to beat the first good team that they have had to play for a full four quarters.
They beat some other decent teams early in the game and didn't need 4 quarters.

[dragonfootballfan]

They beat some other decent teams early in the game and didn't need 4 quarters.
How many decent teams don't have a winning record?

[gritty52]

:d :d Peace With Everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :d

[lonny23]

How many decent teams don't have a winning record?
You always get a few that have a losing record for one reason or another.

[dragonfootballfan]

You always get a few that have a losing record for one reason or another.
let me ask another question. How many good teams do not have winning record?

[farmerfan]

How many decent teams don't have a winning record?

So who exactly has Carroll beaten? if you say Ryan, then that does not hold as much credibility as it did the last few years. This years version of the Raiders are not as strong as the last few years and most likely will be done after round 1. Trinity has two common opponents with Carroll and beat those two teams by similar scores. Trinity just lost to a 8-1 team, who's only loss came to a 9-0 team. Trinity has played 3 teams with winning records and has averaged around 45 points on those three teams, they give up a average of 10 against them.

In 2003 Katy had lost a game to open the season, they ended the season by winning the state title, but by your logic I guess they were pretenders.

You also say you have seen enough to know what you are talking about, well you never answered my question, I asked if you had seen Trinity or SGP play this year? if you have not, you have no business commenting on if Trinity is a contender or pretender.

[dragonfootballfan]

So who exactly has Carroll beaten? if you say Ryan, then that does not hold as much credibility as it did the last few years. This years version of the Raiders are not as strong as the last few years and most likely will be done after round 1. Trinity has two common opponents with Carroll and beat those two teams by similar scores. Trinity just lost to a 8-1 team, who's only loss came to a 9-0 team. Trinity has played 3 teams with winning records and has averaged around 45 points on those three teams, they give up a average of 10 against them.


Carroll has beaten these teams with winning records
Denton Ryan (7-2) Record before playing Carroll 6-1
Grapevine (5-4) Record before playing Carroll 5-3
Colleyville Heritage(6-3) Record before playing Carroll 4-0
Coppell (5-4) Record before playing Carroll 1-0
Plano East (5-4) Record before playing Carroll 1-1
Fossil Ridge (5-4) Record before playing Carroll 1-2
Haltom (4-5) Record before playing Carroll 4-1

Before This week Trinity played two teams with winning records and both are now 5-4. I don't think that you can even begin to compare the records of both teams opponents. You discount Denton Ryan, but they are still a very good team.
In 2003 Katy had lost a game to open the season, they ended the season by winning the state title, but by your logic I guess they were pretenders.
No Katy played a strong Lufkin team in the first week of the season. It was not their ninth game. Since then they had played teams with winning records and beaten them.

You also say you have seen enough to know what you are talking about, well you never answered my question, I asked if you had seen Trinity or SGP play this year? if you have not, you have no business commenting on if Trinity is a contender or pretender
I have not seen a full game of either team, but again I have seen enough to evaluate both teams.

[KT2000]

The whole concept of this thread is premature in my opinion. Sure, Trinity didn't play amazing competition before SGP but the way they beat people is what generated the hype in the first place. The Trojans were beaten by a good team. I think it'd be very unwise to write them off after one loss. That doesn't overshadow the entire body of work they've put together so far this season in my opinion. We'll see how they respond.

[dragonfootballfan]

The whole concept of this thread is premature in my opinion. Sure, Trinity didn't play amazing competition before SGP but the way they beat people is what generated the hype in the first place. The Trojans were beaten by a good team. I think it'd be very unwise to write them off after one loss. That doesn't overshadow the entire body of work they've put together so far this season in my opinion. We'll see how they respond.
I am not writing them off now, but I am saying that they are not the best team in the state. Is that a fair statement? Up until this week all I heard was how awesome Trinity was. How Trinity could runover any team in the state. How Trinity will do a dance and instantly the other team will decide to give up. I think that they were pretenders on how much hype they were given. They still may win state, but they would still be pretenders because of how their fans portrayed them

[lonny23]

The whole concept of this thread is premature in my opinion. Sure, Trinity didn't play amazing competition before SGP but the way they beat people is what generated the hype in the first place. The Trojans were beaten by a good team. I think it'd be very unwise to write them off after one loss. That doesn't overshadow the entire body of work they've put together so far this season in my opinion. We'll see how they respond.
Do they pay you to come up with great quotes like that? ;)

[farmerfan]

Carroll has beaten these teams with winning records
Denton Ryan (7-2) Record before playing Carroll 6-1
Grapevine (5-4) Record before playing Carroll 5-3
Colleyville Heritage(6-3) Record before playing Carroll 4-0
Coppell (5-4) Record before playing Carroll 1-0
Plano East (5-4) Record before playing Carroll 1-1
Fossil Ridge (5-4) Record before playing Carroll 1-2
Haltom (4-5) Record before playing Carroll 4-1

Before This week Trinity played two teams with winning records and both are now 5-4. I don't think that you can even begin to compare the records of both teams opponents. You discount Denton Ryan, but they are still a very good team.

No Katy played a strong Lufkin team in the first week of the season. It was not their ninth game. Since then they had played teams with winning records and beaten them.

I have not seen a full game of either team, but again I have seen enough to evaluate both teams.

and Trinity lost to a strong SGP team. that same Lufkin team got beat in the 1st round of the playoffs.

Take the records of Carroll's opponents since they played them and it is not as impressive, PESH benefits from playing in a very weak district, Denton Ryan got ran off the field by Highland Park, and this was a Highland Park team who was without starting QB Matt Stafford and lost their starting running back on a viscious hit, but still ran ryan off the field.
from the time of the Carroll game the following teams records are
Heritage 2-3
Coppell 4-4
Haltom 0-4
PESH 4-3
Fridge 4-2
those numbers arent exactly great.

You yourself said you have seen enough to get a evaluation, well without seeing them live or just catching highlights of a game does not make you a expert, so basicly you know nothing about SGP or Trinity. The good thing is the playoffs are less than two weeks away and Trinity or SGP will get the chance to meet Carroll, I think they will show those who have not seen them play, that they are indeed a very good football team.

[farmerfan]

I am not writing them off now, but I am saying that they are not the best team in the state. Is that a fair statement? Up until this week all I heard was how awesome Trinity was. How Trinity could runover any team in the state. How Trinity will do a dance and instantly the other team will decide to give up. I think that they were pretenders on how much hype they were given. They still may win state, but they would still be pretenders because of how their fans portrayed them


well then since we go by performance, since Carroll only beat Grapevine by 5 then if htey win state they will not be the best team in the state. Considering that North Shore and Katy have been blowing teams out. Your logic is humorous.

[farmerfan]

I am not writing them off now, but I am saying that they are not the best team in the state. Is that a fair statement? Up until this week all I heard was how awesome Trinity was. How Trinity could runover any team in the state. How Trinity will do a dance and instantly the other team will decide to give up. I think that they were pretenders on how much hype they were given. They still may win state, but they would still be pretenders because of how their fans portrayed them


How can you be a pretender if you win state?

you have your information wrong on the haka, many times the other team isnt even on the field when they do the HAKA.
I guess people are supposed to get scared when Carroll comes out in black pants and blond hair during the playoffs? Its called unity, and anything that unifies a team is alright.

[dragonfootballfan]

maybe you should talk to myround0 who said that Rockwall is going to be the D1 champion after they gave a scare to Longview. Nobody on this board was saying that SGP was a very good team before they beat Trintiy and now all of a sudden they are a very good team. Where were they before this week? They were probably atleast 2 touchdown underdogs going into the game and now they are very good.

[dragonfootballfan]

well then since we go by performance, since Carroll only beat Grapevine by 5 then if htey win state they will not be the best team in the state. Considering that North Shore and Katy have been blowing teams out. Your logic is humorous.
That does not make any sense. Carroll won all their games. Katy and North Shore will not play Grapevine. Trinity lost and Carroll won. How can you compare that?

[farmerfan]

maybe you should talk to myround0 who said that Rockwall is going to be the D1 champion after they gave a scare to Longview. Nobody on this board was saying that SGP was a very good team before they beat Trintiy and now all of a sudden they are a very good team. Where were they before this week? They were probably atleast 2 touchdown underdogs going into the game and now they are very good.


Because most of the people on this board have teams they follow and SGP does not have many fans representing them. I bet its safe to say that over the last month or so the topics on this board have been dominated by Trinity,Carroll, Lufkin, Longview and some Westfield. Why? because those schools have more fans on this board than anyone else. If you had been paying attention to the DMN area rankings or the state rankings on this website, SGP was in both polls, I believe they have been a top 10 team in the DMN poll for a while and a top 20 team on this site for about the same.
The reason we havent heard about SGP is because no one from that school is a poster on this board.

[lonny23]

How can you be a pretender if you win state?

you have your information wrong on the haka, many times the other team isnt even on the field when they do the HAKA.
I guess people are supposed to get scared when Carroll comes out in black pants and blond hair during the playoffs? Its called unity, and anything that unifies a team is alright.
Confederate Railroad reference. "Hey that's a cocktail waitress in a Dolly Parton wig." "No, it's not dad. That's the quarterback!" :p

[dragonfootballfan]

How can you be a pretender if you win state?

you have your information wrong on the haka, many times the other team isnt even on the field when they do the HAKA.
I guess people are supposed to get scared when Carroll comes out in black pants and blond hair during the playoffs? Its called unity, and anything that unifies a team is alright.
You can be a pretender because you are supposed to be the greatest team to ever play high school football in Texas. A state championship was not supposed to even be a challenge to this Trinity team. That is why they can still be a pretender if they win state.

The dance is done for intimidation. There is no other reason to do it. How is a dance going to unify a team? It has accomplished some things though by getting the team into the newspaper.

I don't think that people are scared of blond hair and black pants. The blond hair is unifying because most of the kids make a sacrifice to do it. What do you have to sacrifice to do a dance. I am not even sure when the black pants started, but any team that gets intimidated by black pants should not be playing football.

[lonny23]

maybe you should talk to myround0 who said that Rockwall is going to be the D1 champion after they gave a scare to Longview. Nobody on this board was saying that SGP was a very good team before they beat Trintiy and now all of a sudden they are a very good team. Where were they before this week? They were probably atleast 2 touchdown underdogs going into the game and now they are very good.
Just 2 weeks ago, I said they were a good team. I have to have complete disclosure, though. I fired them after losing 3-0 because I was concerned they might not score enough in the playoffs and Imac wasn't at the very top. I said a few weeks ago that they were a darkhorse team for me. You can look it up.

[dragonfootballfan]

Because most of the people on this board have teams they follow and SGP does not have many fans representing them. I bet its safe to say that over the last month or so the topics on this board have been dominated by Trinity,Carroll, Lufkin, Longview and some Westfield. Why? because those schools have more fans on this board than anyone else. If you had been paying attention to the DMN area rankings or the state rankings on this website, SGP was in both polls, I believe they have been a top 10 team in the DMN poll for a while and a top 20 team on this site for about the same.
The reason we havent heard about SGP is because no one from that school is a poster on this board.
Why didn't you say anything about them before the game if you knew all this? A team cannot simply say before the game we will beat them by 21 points and then lose and say atleast we got beat by a great team.

[farmerfan]

That does not make any sense. Carroll won all their games. Katy and North Shore will not play Grapevine. Trinity lost and Carroll won. How can you compare that?

You said since Trinity did not win, then a state title would still make them a pretender, but Carroll gets a free pass by only beating Grapevine by 5?
I was going by your logic in that when Trinity played someone with a decent record they lost, but Carroll played a 3 loss team and almost gets beat, but that still makes them the best? By your logic shouldnt that game have been a blowout? I mean to be the best team in the state you can't have any slip ups and every game must be a blowout.
You are quick to dispute accomplishments of teams you have never seen play, but when it comes to your own team then that criteria gets thrown out the window.

[dragonfootballfan]

Just 2 weeks ago, I said they were a good team. I have to have complete disclosure, though. I fired them after losing 3-0 because I was concerned they might not score enough in the playoffs and Imac wasn't at the very top. I said a few weeks ago that they were a darkhorse team for me. You can look it up.
Yes but would you say before the Trinity game that they were any better than a 14 point underdog?

[dragonfootballfan]

You said since Trinity did not win, then a state title would still make them a pretender, but Carroll gets a free pass by only beating Grapevine by 5?
I was going by your logic in that when Trinity played someone with a decent record they lost, but Carroll played a 3 loss team and almost gets beat, but that still makes them the best? By your logic shouldnt that game have been a blowout? I mean to be the best team in the state you can't have any slip ups and every game must be a blowout.
You are quick to dispute accomplishments of teams you have never seen play, but when it comes to your own team then that criteria gets thrown out the window.
The slip up resulted in a non-blowout win. Trinity's slip up resulted in a 7 point loss. I think a team that is billed as the best team ever should be able to win when they slip up.

[farmerfan]

Why didn't you say anything about them before the game if you knew all this? A team cannot simply say before the game we will beat them by 21 points and then lose and say atleast we got beat by a great team.


I never made any predictions about Trinity beating SGP. When i went to the SGP/Trinity game, it was the 1st time I had seen SGP play. After the game I came away very impressed, you see unlike you, I try not to comment on something I know nothing about, therefore I waited to see SGP play before I ever said anything about them.

[dragonfootballfan]

I never made any predictions about Trinity beating SGP. When i went to the SGP/Trinity game, it was the 1st time I had seen SGP play. After the game I came away very impressed, you see unlike you, I try not to comment on something I know nothing about, therefore I waited to see SGP play before I ever said anything about them.
I was not referencing a prediction by you, but all Trinity fans. I was wondering why you did not say that SGP was a good team before the game. The rest of that post was directed to all Trinity fans and supporters.

[lonny23]

Yes but would you say before the Trinity game that they were any better than a 14 point underdog?
I would've said 10-14 was about right, but I've also said that kind of point spread is a tossup and either team can win with the right breaks.

[farmerfan]

You can be a pretender because you are supposed to be the greatest team to ever play high school football in Texas. A state championship was not supposed to even be a challenge to this Trinity team. That is why they can still be a pretender if they win state.

The dance is done for intimidation. There is no other reason to do it. How is a dance going to unify a team? It has accomplished some things though by getting the team into the newspaper.

I don't think that people are scared of blond hair and black pants. The blond hair is unifying because most of the kids make a sacrifice to do it. What do you have to sacrifice to do a dance. I am not even sure when the black pants started, but any team that gets intimidated by black pants should not be playing football.


The dance is not done for intimidation, the team faces the home crowd, and as a team they have a little dance they do. It is their way of unifying themselves, you make my point when you say that anyone who gets intimidated by black pants should not play football, well Trinity does not do the dance to intimidate, it is their was of unifying as a team.
It is also hard to intimidate air, the Haka is done when the other team is still in the locker room.

[Favpack]

I've never seen the dance - but I challenge anyone to say there is a difference between the dance and SLC kids doing the hair bleach thing. ET can do what they want - just like SLC does what they want. Easy to defend what you do and find fault with others. We're all guilty of that.

[dragonfly]

Carroll looked beatable in a few games last year and won it all. Even great teams have games where they look beatable and even lose. Katy lost in 2003 and won it all. You never know what will happen in the playoffs. I do know that close games are part of every football season..even for the champions. Carroll and Trinity will be a great matchup if it happens. I'll take Carroll if it happens, but I'll take Trinity to win it all if it doesn't.

[lonny23]

Carroll looked beatable in a few games last year and won it all. Even great teams have games where they look beatable and even lose. Katy lost in 2003 and won it all. You never know what will happen in the playoffs. I do know that close games are part of every football season..even for the champions. Carroll and Trinity will be a great matchup if it happens. I'll take Carroll if it happens, but I'll take Trinity to win it all if it doesn't.
Great post!

[dragonfootballfan]

I would've said 10-14 was about right, but I've also said that kind of point spread is a tossup and either team can win with the right breaks.
Come on. That does not mean anything at all. A team that you fired should no matter what lose to one of the biggest state championship contenders by atleast 14 points. If you say that one of the teams that you fired has a chance to beat a title contender, then they should not be fired because they could still win right?

[farmerfan]

Carroll looked beatable in a few games last year and won it all. Even great teams have games where they look beatable and even lose. Katy lost in 2003 and won it all. You never know what will happen in the playoffs. I do know that close games are part of every football season..even for the champions. Carroll and Trinity will be a great matchup if it happens. I'll take Carroll if it happens, but I'll take Trinity to win it all if it doesn't.

dragonfly
Even if the Trinty matchup does not happen, we as fans are going to be in for a treat, I think SGP will actually be able to provide a 1st round test for Carroll and be a entertaining football game. I would love to see the Warrior D up against the Dragon O. Either way, we are going to be treated to a great 1st round of the playoffs.

[dragonfootballfan]

The dance is not done for intimidation, the team faces the home crowd, and as a team they have a little dance they do. It is their way of unifying themselves, you make my point when you say that anyone who gets intimidated by black pants should not play football, well Trinity does not do the dance to intimidate, it is their was of unifying as a team.
It is also hard to intimidate air, the Haka is done when the other team is still in the locker room.
So if a team is out of the locker room during the entire warm up time they will not Dance? Why do they yell and make aggressive movements if it is not for intimidation.

[lonny23]

Come on. That does not mean anything at all. A team that you fired should no matter what lose to one of the biggest state championship contenders by atleast 14 points. If you say that one of the teams that you fired has a chance to beat a title contender, then they should not be fired because they could still win right?
I didn't think they would win last week. I thought SGP was real good and I began to question myself when they lost 3-0. They are unfired and so is Imac.

[dragonfootballfan]

Carroll looked beatable in a few games last year and won it all. Even great teams have games where they look beatable and even lose. Katy lost in 2003 and won it all. You never know what will happen in the playoffs. I do know that close games are part of every football season..even for the champions. Carroll and Trinity will be a great matchup if it happens. I'll take Carroll if it happens, but I'll take Trinity to win it all if it doesn't.
Carroll was a pretender that season.

[dragonfootballfan]

I didn't think they would win last week. I thought SGP was real good and I began to question myself when they lost 3-0. They are unfired and so is Imac.
you fired an undefeated team? You said in another post that either team could win. Why would you fire a team that COULD beat a title contender

[lonny23]

Carroll was a pretender that season.
They were a contender and you know it. Not everybody that loses is a pretender because only 1 team can win each game.

[lonny23]

you fired an undefeated team? You said in another post that either team could win. Why would you fire a team that COULD beat a title contender
I fired Imac because they weren't winning by a large enough margin. I'll bring them back because they just find a way and I'm tired of finding reasons why they won't win. I've fired some other undefeated teams, too.

[toonman]

Carroll was a pretender that season.

Any team which wins through to a State Championship Game is a contender. A pretender shows all the attributes of being able to win through to the State Championship Game, but fails in district or in the early round of the play-offs. In my opinion, any team playing in the State Championship Game deserves the recognition for the achievement - SLC, SV, Westfield, Woodlands and Midland have all reached the State Championship Game within the last 3 years only to lose. At that time, each of these teams were definitely contenders.

[farmerfan]

So if a team is out of the locker room during the entire warm up time they will not Dance? Why do they yell and make aggressive movements if it is not for intimidation.


maybe it has something to do with the culture of the players.
The dance is not done during the entire warmup, Trinity has its pregame, goes into the locker room and before they run through their infaltable trojan blowup, they do the HAKA. If you know anything about Trinity you will know that they usually have a short warmup and will re-enter the field before the other team. It is then that they do the HAKA, i just dont understand how they can try to intimidate a team when that team is not even on the field.

[lonny23]

Any team which wins through to a State Championship Game is a contender. A pretender shows all the attributes of being able to win through to the State Championship Game, but fails in district or in the early round of the play-offs. In my opinion, any team playing in the State Championship Game deserves the recognition for the achievement - SLC, SV, Westfield, Woodlands and Midland have all reached the State Championship Game within the last 3 years only to lose. At that time, each of these teams were definitely contenders.
Amen. It takes a great team just to get through to the semifinals in any region!

[lonny23]

maybe it has something to do with the culture of the players.
The dance is not done during the entire warmup, Trinity has its pregame, goes into the locker room and before they run through their infaltable trojan blowup, they do the HAKA. If you know anything about Trinity you will know that they usually have a short warmup and will re-enter the field before the other team. It is then that they do the HAKA, i just dont understand how they can try to intimidate a team when that team is not even on the field.
I've never heard as many complaints as we've heard about the haka in the last few weeks.

[farmerfan]

I've never heard as many complaints as we've heard about the haka in the last few weeks.

me either, i guess some dont like the concept of original.

[dragonfly]

Carroll was a pretender that season.

That's a rediculous statement. How is a team that is playing in the state championship a pretender? I'm going to assume you were kidding.

[lonny23]

me either, i guess some dont like the concept of original.
I think it's prejudice and racism.

[lonny23]

That's a rediculous statement. How is a team that is playing in the state championship a pretender? I'm going to assume you were kidding.
He had to say that or else he would have to stop calling ET a pretender.

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

Dang FarmerFan, Just declare SLC the absolute, all time, greatest team that ever played a down in Texas football. If you don't, I think they may start to cry..... :p

[lonny23]

Dang FarmerFan, Just declare SLC the absolute, all time, greatest team that ever played a down in Texas football. If you don't, I think they may start to cry..... :p
and none of us want to see that!

[dragonfootballfan]

I think we have a miscommunication here. To me a pretender is someone or something that is portrayed as something that they are not. In 2003 Carroll was a great football team, but by some of their fans were portrayed as some unstoppable force that will no matter what bring home a state championship. They did not win state and therefore pretended to be that unstoppable force because they were stopped. In 2005 I kept hearing and seeing things like Trinity is the best team ever, or Trinity has the best offense I have seen at any level, Trinity is going to dominate all teams this year, and so on. Trinity lost and therefore pretended to be the best team to ever play high school football. I guess I cannot call Trinity a pretender for pretending to be something that they are not and I guess I cannot do the same to my own team.

[lonny23]

I think we have a miscommunication here. To me a pretender is someone or something that is portrayed as something that they are not. In 2003 Carroll was a great football team, but by some of their fans were portrayed as some unstoppable force that will no matter what bring home a state championship. They did not win state and therefore pretended to be that unstoppable force because they were stopped. In 2005 I kept hearing and seeing things like Trinity is the best team ever, or Trinity has the best offense I have seen at any level, Trinity is going to dominate all teams this year, and so on. Trinity lost and therefore pretended to be the best team to ever play high school football. I guess I cannot call Trinity a pretender for pretending to be something that they are not and I guess I cannot do the same to my own team.
Boy, that makes a lot of our teams pretenders because a lot of us consciously and subconsciously make our teams better than they really are. Call me guilty on that one! :D

[dragonfootballfan]

I would've said 10-14 was about right, but I've also said that kind of point spread is a tossup and either team can win with the right breaks.
Lonny you had fired a team that was supposed to lose to a championship contender by 10-14, but could have won with the right breaks.

WHY WOULD YOU FIRE A TEAM THAT YOU THINK COULD BEAT A CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER.

I don't understand. First you say they won't be able to beat a championship level team, then you say that had you been forced to make a prediction you think they would lose by 10-14, next you say with the right breaks they could beat that championship level team. Which is it? Are you going to continue to predict three different outcomes so you will always be right?

[dragonfootballfan]

maybe it has something to do with the culture of the players.
The dance is not done during the entire warmup, Trinity has its pregame, goes into the locker room and before they run through their infaltable trojan blowup, they do the HAKA. If you know anything about Trinity you will know that they usually have a short warmup and will re-enter the field before the other team. It is then that they do the HAKA, i just dont understand how they can try to intimidate a team when that team is not even on the field.
so they do it while the other team is about to run out of their tunnel or already have. That means the other team is on the field. It is an intimadation factor. The other team can either see it or hear and that is its purpose.

It has nothing to do with the culture of the players. The dance is a New Zealand ritual performed by the New Zealand rugby team The All Blacks. I don't think that there are more than three players if any from New Zealand on the Trinity Trojans football team. The players are of all races, many of them Tongan. The dance has nothing to do with Tongan culture.

[lonny23]

Lonny you had fired a team that was supposed to lose to a championship contender by 10-14, but could have won with the right breaks.

WHY WOULD YOU FIRE A TEAM THAT YOU THINK COULD BEAT A CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER.

I don't understand. First you say they won't be able to beat a championship level team, then you say that had you been forced to make a prediction you think they would lose by 10-14, next you say with the right breaks they could beat that championship level team. Which is it? Are you going to continue to predict three different outcomes so you will always be right?
It's real easy.

Before SGP played Imac I saw them as a darkhorse who might make some noise in the playoffs. They were getting better each week and beating the point spread. I said they would beat Imac because I viewed Imac as getting by, but getting ready for a good beating when they played a big boy like ET. That didn't happen and I fired SGP the week after I fired Imac. I thought that SGP wasn't going to beat ET if they couldn't score on Imac.

The 10 point thing is something I look at in the power rankings. I generally say a 30 point favorite will have to completely fall apart to lose. A 20 point favorite will have to do a lot wrong to lose. Anything less than 2 TD's can go either way depending upon the breaks. ET was a 26 point favorite last week and that was a lot more than the previous week because SGP lost points in that Imac game.

What I think in regards to football is a constantly evolving process. I review my thoughts and feelings every week and each week builds upon the past. I have to change my feelings as I get new info. Injuries happen and teams grow and fall back.

[BigFoot]

While I don't agree with the harshness of Toonman's post, I think it's time for all of us "powerhouses" to taste some humble pie and bite the bullet.

SLC 28-23
Longview 21-14
ET (loss)

We all looked human and awful tonight.

But truthfully ET fans...let's be a little bit more prudent with our "ET IS THE GREATEST" posts from now on.
I really do not know who posted we are the greatest...You can read all my post and I have only said any team can be beaten on any given night. A SLC fan said I was thinking of the Pros. Actually, most Trinity fans do not say we are the greatest I believe most say we are proud of our team and believe they are very good. I have not read many postings saying WE ARE The Greatest....not from ET fans anyway. Some may have but I would venture to guess not more than a 2 or 3....not our style. I love my Trojans win or lose. I was heart broken for them but I believe that in every thing there are lessons to be learned and perhaps ...just perhaps knowing it can happen to you will make them work harder and want it more the next time.
Go Trojans ...keep you head up...this is a good team and you should be proud. Ignorance raises it stupid head when people post behind a mask. You don't know who they are or why they chose to be so negative. Positive post are much more enlightening. This game could have gone either way and Friday night it didn't go our way. Next week is on our minds now and then the next.

[dragonfootballfan]

Lonny,

All I am trying to say is that last week SGP was a non-contender and now all of sudden since they beat a Trinity team they are great. That excuse should never be used. You should never say that a team is okay before you play them and then after they beat you say they are one of the best in the state. If they were good last week, they were good this week and if they were okay last week then they are okay this week. The fact is Trinity got beat by a team that you "fired". That team that you fired is only on your fired list because they were previously beaten by a team that you fired. By this logic shouldn't Trinity be fired with all of the teams in 6-5A or has the Trinity hype gotten so big that since they beat Trinity they should be "re-hired"?

[lonny23]

I really do not know who posted we are the greatest...You can read all my post and I have only said any team can be beaten on any given night. A SLC fan said I was thinking of the Pros. Actually, most Trinity fans do not say we are the greatest I believe most say we are proud of our team and believe they are very good. I have not read many postings saying WE ARE The Greatest....not from ET fans anyway. Some may have but I would venture to guess not more than a 2 or 3....not our style. I love my Trojans win or lose. I was heart broken for them but I believe that in every thing there are lessons to be learned and perhaps ...just perhaps knowing it can happen to you will make them work harder and want it more the next time.
Go Trojans ...keep you head up...this is a good team and you should be proud. Ignorance raises it stupid head when people post behind a mask. You don't know who they are or why they chose to be so negative. Positive post are much more enlightening. This game could have gone either way and Friday night it didn't go our way. Next week is on our minds now and then the next.That's a good post. Hold your head high and go beat the guys on the field!

[dragonfootballfan]

I really do not know who posted we are the greatest...You can read all my post and I have only said any team can be beaten on any given night. A SLC fan said I was thinking of the Pros. Actually, most Trinity fans do not say we are the greatest I believe most say we are proud of our team and believe they are very good. I have not read many postings saying WE ARE The Greatest....not from ET fans anyway. Some may have but I would venture to guess not more than a 2 or 3....not our style. I love my Trojans win or lose. I was heart broken for them but I believe that in every thing there are lessons to be learned and perhaps ...just perhaps knowing it can happen to you will make them work harder and want it more the next time.
Go Trojans ...keep you head up...this is a good team and you should be proud. Ignorance raises it stupid head when people post behind a mask. You don't know who they are or why they chose to be so negative. Positive post are much more enlightening. This game could have gone either way and Friday night it didn't go our way. Next week is on our minds now and then the next.
It wasn't just the Trinity fans that were hyping the Trojans. Almost everybody on this site had at one time jumped on the Trojans band wagon. They along with your fellow fans had created a lot of hype and had already proclaimed the the Champions of 5A football.

[lonny23]

It wasn't just the Trinity fans that were hyping the Trojans. Almost everybody on this site had at one time jumped on the Trojans band wagon. They along with your fellow fans had created a lot of hype and had already proclaimed the the Champions of 5A football.
I don't think many people have done that. Some of us talked about who would win between ET and SLC and how good the game would be, but not the champs of the world stuff you mention.

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't think many people have done that. Some of us talked about who would win between ET and SLC and how good the game would be, but not the champs of the world stuff you mention.
Some did, and I will admit I think it was more of a shot at Carroll than them rooting for Trinity

[lonny23]

Some did, and I will admit I think it was more of a shot at Carroll than them rooting for Trinity
That's going to happen when you're the top dog. They want Judson to lose, too! :D

[BigFoot]

That's a good post. Hold your head high and go beat the guys on the field!

Thanks ...I wish all the teams the best and may the best team the day they play win. SGP was better Friday night. Hopefully ET will be better next time.

[dragonsdaddy]

That's going to happen when you're the top dog. They want Judson to lose, too! :D
thanks to coju for taking one for all the bullseyed teams everywhere. i am so happy to see plano back in the hunt. quite a turnaround from just 2 years ago. now if lville and mojo can start back up out of the well.

[lonny23]

thanks to coju for taking one for all the bullseyed teams everywhere. i am so happy to see plano back in the hunt. quite a turnaround from just 2 years ago. now if lville and mojo can start back up out of the well.
Judson won't be down forever. They'll be back.

[BigFoot]

Hey, I threw a hook out there, with some bait on it and I caught one (or two)!!. Yes, I realize Trinity is still good a team and still has the potential to go far in the play-offs, but I hope this is a reality check for the Trojans fans who have declaring themselves State Champs, before district play was over. That's all. I apolgize for my 'stupidity'.

Toon will you read all the threads from ET people an tell me who has predicted what you are saying. I have read almost all the ET threads and I won't say none but very few are arrogant and predict State Championship.
I believe most of us are simply thrilled that they are so united and they are a good team (SGP wanted it more...whose fault is that ET's I don't even question that). We are still happy with them ....In life if you don't learn from mistakes then you are a loser....but if you learn then you have gained from the loss....So just find me how many have said we would win state....many of us think they have a chance but we are not predictors anything can happen and this week it did. That is done we are moving on.

[farmerfan]

so they do it while the other team is about to run out of their tunnel or already have. That means the other team is on the field. It is an intimadation factor. The other team can either see it or hear and that is its purpose.

It has nothing to do with the culture of the players. The dance is a New Zealand ritual performed by the New Zealand rugby team The All Blacks. I don't think that there are more than three players if any from New Zealand on the Trinity Trojans football team. The players are of all races, many of them Tongan. The dance has nothing to do with Tongan culture.


OK Read clearly. Trinity does the HAKA when the other team IS NOT ON THE FIELD, the opposing team is still inthe locker room.
Also Trinity has made it clear that the HAKA is done at 7:25, so if the opposing team wants to, they can take the fied to see the HAKA and if not then they just stay in the locker room. If the other team is in the locker room how can they hear it or see it?

Trinity has adopted the danace as part of their culture, if it started in New Zealand, fine, New Zealand is a pacific island just like where many of the Trinity players culture is. It is all done in UNITY, not to intimidate anyone, if something brings a team together then I am all for it, Trinity does the HAKA kind of like Carroll dies their hair blond and pulls out black pants for the playoffs. It is a sign of unification and I think its cool.

[drgnbkr]

This thread is aliiiiive......It's aliiiive......someone kill it so we can talk about this week....please?.... :o