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GBMonster76
06-04-2008, 06:18 AM
The Miami Northwestern Bulls were routed in their spring game by North Miami Beach recently. I thought you might be interested to know that North Miami Beach completely dominated the new-look Bulls from start to finish. It looks like it might be a different year for the Bulls, but I'm sure they'll pull it together at some point. It should also be noted that North Miami Beach is ridiculously talented - very similar to MNW, but without the tradition. They are located in relatively the same location, so the demographics are similar.

The teams to look for on the national scene this year from Florida are Apopka-6A (traveling to play South Panola in Mississippi) and Lakeland-5A is back as well (traveling to Pittsburgh to play Central Catholic).

Any Texas teams playing any Florida teams this year...I believe Katy is playing Cypress Bay, correct? That should be an interesting game because Cypress Bay's new 2nd year coach is a guy named Mark Guandolo, who is a powerhouse coach who has turned that program around - CB is the largest school in Florida.

But, I'll say Katy 31, CB 20

Also, I'm going with Plano this year to take it all in Texas!

SLC93
06-04-2008, 07:17 AM
MNW will have a solid season by the time all is said and done. They just lost one of the strongest senior classes in hs football history. With so much talent and experience now playing in college, a tough spring was to be expected.

Sakatha
06-04-2008, 07:21 AM
The Miami Northwestern Bulls were routed in their spring game by North Miami Beach recently. I thought you might be interested to know that North Miami Beach completely dominated the new-look Bulls from start to finish. It looks like it might be a different year for the Bulls, but I'm sure they'll pull it together at some point. It should also be noted that North Miami Beach is ridiculously talented - very similar to MNW, but without the tradition. They are located in relatively the same location, so the demographics are similar.

The teams to look for on the national scene this year from Florida are Apopka-6A (traveling to play South Panola in Mississippi) and Lakeland-5A is back as well (traveling to Pittsburgh to play Central Catholic).

Any Texas teams playing any Florida teams this year...I believe Katy is playing Cypress Bay, correct? That should be an interesting game because Cypress Bay's new 2nd year coach is a guy named Mark Guandolo, who is a powerhouse coach who has turned that program around - CB is the largest school in Florida.

But, I'll say Katy 31, CB 20

Also, I'm going with Plano this year to take it all in Texas!

Considering the entire recruiting class for the Miami Hurricanes graduated? Not surprising.. :)

~DnM

dada
06-04-2008, 07:44 AM
I'm guessing that they take spring games a little bit more seriously in Florida than we do here in Texas.

OakTreeUp-n-Out
06-04-2008, 07:52 AM
I think they're also a little bit like SLC in respect to graduating a great senior class.... having a good but maybe not great senior group this year, and then a monster class that are JRs this upcoming year. Lots of kids getting first year experience as juniors on their team. I bet they'll be right there come November and December.

rich_pack
06-04-2008, 09:08 AM
I'm guessing that they take spring games a little bit more seriously in Florida than we do here in Texas.

You sure about that? Heck some people down here some to think 7 on 7 football makes a difference in how a team will be the upcoming season...stupid

dada
06-04-2008, 09:10 AM
You sure about that? Heck some people down here some to think 7 on 7 football makes a difference in how a team will be the upcoming season...stupid

Here, Spring games are intersquad scrimages......they actually play against other teams in Florida...an actual "Game". And YES...some take 7 on 7 TOO seriously.

SLC93
06-04-2008, 09:17 AM
Here, Spring games are intersquad scrimages......they actually play against other teams in Florida...an actual "Game". And YES...some take 7 on 7 TOO seriously.

And have for years. There is a big difference. 7 on 7 is a tool, nothing more, nothing less. I agree completely.

ThEgReAtOnE
06-04-2008, 11:51 AM
The Miami Northwestern Bulls were routed in their spring game by North Miami Beach recently. I thought you might be interested to know that North Miami Beach completely dominated the new-look Bulls from start to finish. It looks like it might be a different year for the Bulls, but I'm sure they'll pull it together at some point. It should also be noted that North Miami Beach is ridiculously talented - very similar to MNW, but without the tradition. They are located in relatively the same location, so the demographics are similar.

The teams to look for on the national scene this year from Florida are Apopka-6A (traveling to play South Panola in Mississippi) and Lakeland-5A is back as well (traveling to Pittsburgh to play Central Catholic).

Any Texas teams playing any Florida teams this year...I believe Katy is playing Cypress Bay, correct? That should be an interesting game because Cypress Bay's new 2nd year coach is a guy named Mark Guandolo, who is a powerhouse coach who has turned that program around - CB is the largest school in Florida.

But, I'll say Katy 31, CB 20

Also, I'm going with Plano this year to take it all in Texas!

North Miami Beach (2007 Record - 12-1)
QB-Nico Flores (6-2 215) (One of the Top 3 QB's in Florida) (300 yds/3 tds vs MNW - the other day, including a 75 yd td pass hauled in by Kemal)
QB-Ricky Desir (6-0 170)(2011) (Gonna be a good one!)
RB-Nick Williams (5-9 180) (2010) (D1)
FB-Jonathan Cyprien (6-0, 190) (D1)
WR/DB-Kemal Ishmael (5-11 180) (Caught 2 td passes)
WR/DB--Terrance Kinchen (2010) (D1)
TE-Keeon Virgile (2011)
LB/RB-Markeith Russell (6-1 210) (D1)
LB-Max Dorsainvil (5-9 200)(2011)
LB-Antonio Rogers
LB-Keeon Virgile (2011)
LB-Kinley Moise (2011)
OL-Maurice Anderson
OL-Wilson Jean
OL/DE-Jiovanni Maldanado (2010)
OL/DE-Alex Eduaord (2010)
OL/DL-Frantz Simeon (2010)
OL/DE-Travis Turner (2011)
OL/DL-Freddy Lagueere (2011)
OL/DL-Akeem Banton (2011)
OL/DL-Cleveland Smith (2011)
OL/DE-Wesley Joseph (2011)
OL/DL-Jovens Francois (2011)
DB-Yevin Desin (5-8 165)
DB-Swight Kemp
DB-Travell Dixon
DB-Kinley Moise

Only suited out 32 players vs MNW... not a big deal, though.. apparently it's the norm. They return 28 from a team that had only 36 on its roster in 2007 (Um.. that's 78%, people!). 8 of those returnees were Fr and So. They put up 4100 yds and 52 tds, last season and beat teams like Miami Central and CYPRESS BAY - the team Katy will play this season. They barely lost to Deerfield Beach, 21-20, in the playoffs.... just before DB nearly upset MNW, in a close loss.. 14-19. North Miami Beach went 12-1, last year. From what I've heard... this NMB team could wind up with about 75% of it's team receiving scholi's. Not to mention most of the players will be D1 prospects. There's not many of them, but they are very athletic and very loaded. QB-Nico Flores might be one of the Top 3 QB's in the state. Flores, Kemal, Russell, Jean and Y. Desin are the likely superstars of the team. This team will be a threat for a title for the next few years.


Miami Northwestern (2007 Record - All-World Champs)
QB/CB-Wayne Times (5-10 170) (Was a Safety, last year, and now is QB)
QB/WR-Theodore Bridgewater (6-2 170) (Will likely be #1 QB by end up season!) (2011)
RB-Daquan Hargrett (5-9 180)
RB-Tyresse Jones (5-9 185)
RB-Corvin Lamb (5-9 180) (2010)
WR-Marquis Jackson (6-0 215)
OL-Torrian Wilson (6-5 320) (2010)
OL-Donald Senat (6-3 250) (2010)
OL-Shkendrick Williams (6-3 260)
DT-Pascal Jones 6-1 265
DT-Todd Chandler (6-1 280) (2010)
DE-Wade Tolbert (6-2 215)
LB-Kenneth Dilliard (6-0 190) - 4.47
S-Tevin McCaskill (6-2 180) - 4.34 (4-Star athlete, according to Scout.com.. might be the best Safety in FL)
CB-KeAndre Williams

Believe it or not, but MNW returns about 10, or so, solid D1 prospects - for the 2009 and 2010 classes. They just need to get stronger on the o-line and need to establish the QB position. Times saw some experience at QB, but I think the general consensus is he's a better DB, than QB. Then again, NMB pressured Times all night. One thing may be certain.. they should be back to form, come mid-season and they could be even better in 2009 with what's coming up the ranks. Make no mistake about it.. this team doesn't hold a candle to the kind of talent MNW had last year. But how many teams in the history of HSFB do? It's a completely different team, as a matter of fact.

OakTreeUp-n-Out
06-04-2008, 12:20 PM
I would love, love, love to see SLC vs. MNW Part 2 in 2009.

AE 8008
06-04-2008, 01:20 PM
The Miami Northwestern Bulls were routed in their spring game by North Miami Beach recently. I thought you might be interested to know that North Miami Beach completely dominated the new-look Bulls from start to finish. It looks like it might be a different year for the Bulls, but I'm sure they'll pull it together at some point. It should also be noted that North Miami Beach is ridiculously talented - very similar to MNW, but without the tradition. They are located in relatively the same location, so the demographics are similar.

The teams to look for on the national scene this year from Florida are Apopka-6A (traveling to play South Panola in Mississippi) and Lakeland-5A is back as well (traveling to Pittsburgh to play Central Catholic).

Any Texas teams playing any Florida teams this year...I believe Katy is playing Cypress Bay, correct? That should be an interesting game because Cypress Bay's new 2nd year coach is a guy named Mark Guandolo, who is a powerhouse coach who has turned that program around - CB is the largest school in Florida.

But, I'll say Katy 31, CB 20

Also, I'm going with Plano this year to take it all in Texas!




Belle Glades (FL) plays Abilene (TX) in the season opener in Abilene

GBMonster76
06-04-2008, 05:42 PM
Spring games in Florida are actually taken very seriously and rightly so, they tend to set the tone for the fall. In Florida, you are allowed to practice the entire month of May and then play a full game, just like the regular season, whenever you want in May. It's a great, great, great thing for football and prepping for the upcoming season.

MNW will be very, very good this year, but they probably won't go undefeated again and win state. Apopka-6A from the Orlando area is loaded this year, and they have a great coach. I'm guessing they hand South Panola-MS their first defeat in the last 75 games, we'll see.

But, if SLC played MNW this year, SLC would beat them, no doubt. MNW just lost too much talent to play with a consistent program like SLC.

The teams to watch in Florida from a national perspective:

Apopka-6A, North Miami Beach-6A

Lakeland-5A, St. Thomas Aquinas-5A

Madison County-2A

Pahokee-2B (probably the most interesting school in the nation. They have 650 total students in their school and annually produce a ton of D1 athletes. They are 5 miles north of Belle Glade Central in the Everglades in a town that would make hell look welcoming. The kids have literally nothing but football, faith, and their school...it's eery out there and intimidating, trust me. The mystique and pound for pound talent for the size of their town and school is simply staggering.

And, by the way, 7 on 7 is no good. It's a good workout, but creates terrible habits. The schools that don't focus on it are doing themselves a favor. The offseason is for weights, running, and eating.

SLC93
06-04-2008, 05:51 PM
Spring games in Florida are actually taken very seriously and rightly so, they tend to set the tone for the fall. In Florida, you are allowed to practice the entire month of May and then play a full game, just like the regular season, whenever you want in May. It's a great, great, great thing for football and prepping for the upcoming season.
MNW will be very, very good this year, but they probably won't go undefeated again and win state. Apopka-6A from the Orlando area is loaded this year, and they have a great coach. I'm guessing they hand South Panola-MS their first defeat in the last 75 games, we'll see.

But, if SLC played MNW this year, SLC would beat them, no doubt. MNW just lost too much talent to play with a consistent program like SLC.

The teams to watch in Florida from a national perspective:

Apopka-6A, North Miami Beach-6A

Lakeland-5A, St. Thomas Aquinas-5A

Madison County-2A

Pahokee-2B (probably the most interesting school in the nation. They have 650 total students in their school and annually produce a ton of D1 athletes. They are 5 miles north of Belle Glade Central in the Everglades in a town that would make hell look welcoming. The kids have literally nothing but football, faith, and their school...it's eery out there and intimidating, trust me. The mystique and pound for pound talent for the size of their town and school is simply staggering.

And, by the way, 7 on 7 is no good. It's a good workout, but creates terrible habits. The schools that don't focus on it are doing themselves a favor. The offseason is for weights, running, and eating.

I've always loved Florida's spring set up. Hands down the most advanced in the nation and has been for a long time. I can only imagine what would get accomplished at schools like Katy, Trinity, Plano, Carroll ect.. if we had the same parameters.

cajun
06-04-2008, 06:31 PM
Miami Northwestern (2007 Record - All-World Champs)

All World?...They didn't prove anything over here..

Destrehan kill em...http://www.33smiley.com/smiley/everyday/35.gif

http://www.stcharles.k12.la.us/photos/1112/statechampions.jpg

Dynastybegan86
06-05-2008, 12:31 AM
Pahokee-2B (probably the most interesting school in the nation) They are 5 miles north of Belle Glade Central in the Everglades in a town that would make hell look welcoming. The kids have literally nothing but football, faith, and their school...it's eery out there and intimidating, trust me. The mystique and pound for pound talent for the size of their town and school is simply staggering.

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Didn't Ray Finkle live there?:eek: LACES OUT! DAN!:outlaw

GBMonster76
06-05-2008, 06:58 AM
I've always loved Florida's spring set up. Hands down the most advanced in the nation and has been for a long time. I can only imagine what would get accomplished at schools like Katy, Trinity, Plano, Carroll ect.. if we had the same parameters.

Totally agreed! Other states should adopt the same policy on spring football that Florida has...it's win - win, and the state makes money, so they're happy. And, you can practice as many days or as few days in May as you want, and you can play your game whenever you want in May...you just cannot start before May or continue past May. Some schools play full games, some schools play full games, but with restrictions (no blocking kicks, etc), some schools play in Jamborees where 4 or 5 schools will show up and play one half against one school and then another against someone else. It's really a great thing.

I had a coach from Indiana say that one of the main reasons (besides the raw talent) that Florida is one of if not the best states in America for high school football is because of our spring football and what is allowed.

Now, if the FHSAA would get off their butts and allow booster clubs to pay coaches, maybe our PROGRAMS would start catching up with Texas. Won't happen anytime soon though.

Abilene 42
Glades Central 38

Glades Central is very MNW-ish, but they can't play defense this year.

KT2000
06-05-2008, 07:18 AM
Lakeland and Pahokee are my adopted teams in Florida. I have the Pahokee-Bolles state title game from 98 on film, and Anquan Boldin is one of the best I've ever seen at the HS level. Total beast and I'm glad he's emerged in the NFL.

OakTreeUp-n-Out
06-05-2008, 07:33 AM
Lakeland and Pahokee are my adopted teams in Florida. I have the Pahokee-Bolles state title game from 98 on film, and Anquan Boldin is one of the best I've ever seen at the HS level. Total beast and I'm glad he's emerged in the NFL.

I'm not sure how anyone who was aware of Pahokee/Glades Central/Immokalee's living situations could NOT root for those kids.

SLC93
06-05-2008, 07:37 AM
Lakeland and Pahokee are my adopted teams in Florida. I have the Pahokee-Bolles state title game from 98 on film, and Anquan Boldin is one of the best I've ever seen at the HS level. Total beast and I'm glad he's emerged in the NFL.

I'm a huge fan of the Lakeland program and all that coach Castle has accomplished there. Their recent run was just as unprecedented in Florida as ours was in Texas. They've got a storied tradition to back up all the recent success, too. Sound familiar?;)

KT2000
06-05-2008, 08:47 AM
I'm a huge fan of the Lakeland program and all that coach Castle has accomplished there. Their recent run was just as unprecedented in Florida as ours was in Texas. They've got a storied tradition to back up all the recent success, too. Sound familiar?;)

I've got a family connection to Lakeland. I've been to Dreadnaught Stadium. Not a big place by any means, but their tradition is second to none.

SLC93
06-05-2008, 09:37 AM
I've got a family connection to Lakeland. I've been to Dreadnaught Stadium. Not a big place by any means, but their tradition is second to none.

I love their team website, too.

GBMonster76
06-05-2008, 11:48 AM
Yes, Lakeland is very Texas-ish with how they run their program, and they are pretty much the pride of Florida from a program and tradition perspective.

And, yes, if people could see what the kids in Pahokee and Belle Glade have and how they live, everyone in the nation would be a fan. The have less than nothing and still field incredible football teams...every...single...year.

If you're going to the Abilene vs. Glades Central game, you'll see what I mean. The Belle Glade kids are a rough, rough, rough looking group to say the least.

But, overall, they are good southern kids who live morally by faith and football.

AE 8008
06-06-2008, 01:07 PM
Totally agreed! Other states should adopt the same policy on spring football that Florida has...it's win - win, and the state makes money, so they're happy. And, you can practice as many days or as few days in May as you want, and you can play your game whenever you want in May...you just cannot start before May or continue past May. Some schools play full games, some schools play full games, but with restrictions (no blocking kicks, etc), some schools play in Jamborees where 4 or 5 schools will show up and play one half against one school and then another against someone else. It's really a great thing.

I had a coach from Indiana say that one of the main reasons (besides the raw talent) that Florida is one of if not the best states in America for high school football is because of our spring football and what is allowed.

Now, if the FHSAA would get off their butts and allow booster clubs to pay coaches, maybe our PROGRAMS would start catching up with Texas. Won't happen anytime soon though.

Abilene 42
Glades Central 38

Glades Central is very MNW-ish, but they can't play defense this year.



ill take a lower score.

Abilene 24
Glades Central 21

Abilene's great defense will win this one for them. There are more questions about the offense than the defense, so i dont see this one being a barn burner

CKE
06-06-2008, 01:15 PM
I'm a huge fan of the Lakeland program and all that coach Castle has accomplished there. Their recent run was just as unprecedented in Florida as ours was in Texas. They've got a storied tradition to back up all the recent success, too. Sound familiar?;)

Converse Judson ;)

SLC93
06-06-2008, 01:37 PM
Converse Judson ;)

:D Denied! :D

ftballin11
06-06-2008, 01:46 PM
:D Denied! :D


Judson has been undeniably the best 5a program, on there heals is Katy Permian and SLC.

drgnbkr
06-06-2008, 01:57 PM
Judson has been undeniably the best 5a program, on there heals is Katy Permian and SLC.

I can feel the pomposity bubbling to the surface.....:eek:

farmerfan
06-06-2008, 01:59 PM
I can feel the pomposity bubbling to the surface.....:eek:

As can I. Come on backer let it out.
Lets just wait until PWF sees that then we'll have even more to add.
Factor in it being Friday then I should be back into normal form around midnight. :D

dragonsdaddy
06-06-2008, 02:21 PM
As can I. Come on backer let it out.
Lets just wait until PWF sees that then we'll have even more to add.
Factor in it being Friday then I should be back into normal form around midnight. :D
whereever one decides to start the history of 5a football, the late 50's, the 60's, 1980, or 1990, effects where different programs can exaggerate their influence. by any standards, mojo, plano, and coju are on the top steps. everyone else is looking up and while some may be gaining, none are yet there. it has been an improvement the last few years to have all the titans back in the game. texas hs football is a better place for it.

farmerfan
06-06-2008, 02:49 PM
whereever one decides to start the history of 5a football, the late 50's, the 60's, 1980, or 1990, effects where different programs can exaggerate their influence. by any standards, mojo, plano, and coju are on the top steps. everyone else is looking up and while some may be gaining, none are yet there. it has been an improvement the last few years to have all the titans back in the game. texas hs football is a better place for it.

All joking aside, I absolutely agree. I'm not loved by the Coju fans and probably for good reason since I seem to be so harsh on those guys, but when measuring success by consistent titles, title game apperances, regional championships and other things, then those three are in a league by themselves. It is apart of what makes Trinitys run last year so amazing to the Texas HS football historians. I don't think anybody had ever beaten those three programs in the same year on their way to a state title, at least in the playoffs they hadn't. I can't remember if Duncanville and Plano played each other in the 98 regular season or not. I do know Duncanville beat Permian and Judson in the playoffs that year.

ftballin11
06-06-2008, 03:24 PM
I can feel the pomposity bubbling to the surface.....:eek:

LOL. Im a katy fan.

grayowl60
06-06-2008, 03:52 PM
whereever one decides to start the history of 5a football, the late 50's, the 60's, 1980, or 1990, effects where different programs can exaggerate their influence. by any standards, mojo, plano, and coju are on the top steps. everyone else is looking up and while some may be gaining, none are yet there. it has been an improvement the last few years to have all the titans back in the game. texas hs football is a better place for it.
Since 1980.
Judson:
Semi finals. 82,83,88.89,90,91,92,94,95,96,98,02,05,07
Finals. 83,88,90,92,93,95,96,05,07
State Champions. 83,88*,92,93,95,02

Plano*
Semi Finals. 83, 86,87,94,07
Finals. 86,87,94
State Champions. 86,87,94

Dominant?;) I am sure Permian is up there, not so sure about JT

drgnbkr
06-06-2008, 04:01 PM
Since 1980.
Judson:
Semi finals. 82,83,88.89,90,91,92,94,95,96,98,02,05,07
Finals. 83,88,90,92,93,95,96,05,07
State Champions. 83,88*,92,93,95,02

Plano*
Semi Finals. 83, 86,87,94,07
Finals. 86,87,94
State Champions. 86,87,94

Dominant?;) I am sure Permian is up there, not so sure about JT

Good grief, if Coju had won all of the finals they've been in, they'd have 9 titles!

grayowl60
06-06-2008, 04:12 PM
Good grief, if Coju had won all of the finals they've been in, they'd have 9 titles!
Dang, I read that coju as cujo. I think thats some kind of mad dog in Tyler.
Yep some folks dont like to think about judson much when blowing off about domination, legends and such. Rockets are almost always around:D