Plano to DII

[Favpack]

Dare I ask - but what projections have bumped Plano to DII?

[drgnbkr]

If, as it looks increasingly likely, Plano East (the largest HS in Texas w/ over 5000 students) gets in, they (Plano) will be D-2

[Eagle Hombre]

PESH has a larger student body than PHS. Largest school goes D1. Allen makes up the trio that will probably go into the playoffs. PHS and Allen going DII, leaving PESH going to D1.

[lonny23]

Dare I ask - but what projections have bumped Plano to DII?
Plano East will make it and that's why I've been saying Plano will play Abilene in the quarterfinals.

[drgnbkr]

Plano East will make it and that's why I've been saying Plano will play Abilene in the quarterfinals.

Unless 5-5A takes an against the % turn & Carroll ends up in D-2.... ;)

[Favpack]

A Plano/SLC match-up with winner taking on AHS (all wild assumptions at this point) would give some strong cred to DII.<--- Didn't bother to see if that's the way the matchups would roll out.

[drgnbkr]

It would'nt happen until the regional finals..Carroll would have had to dispose of Abilene by that point, we always play teams from the west...if....Carroll goes D-2.

[PESHfan]

Drgnbkr

I'm not sure where you got your info on Plano East. It's only a 2 year school for 11-12 grade. Current enrollment is roughly 2,600 total, not 5,000. My daughter just graduated from there and her graduating class was just under 1,300. It's certainly the biggest of the three Senior High Schools in Plano. Plano Sr only has about 2,100 and Plano West has about 1,800-1,900 or somewhere around there.

[dragons08]

If, as it looks increasingly likely, Plano East (the largest HS in Texas w/ over 5000 students) gets in, they (Plano) will be D-2
plano east?? did we play them, or was it west?

[planocat05]

plano east?? did we play them, or was it west?

yall played East. Beat them 31-0 i think. Btw y does everyone think EAST is simply going to beat Allen? Allen is still really good. What happens of East looses?

[drgnbkr]

Drgnbkr

I'm not sure where you got your info on Plano East. It's only a 2 year school for 11-12 grade. Current enrollment is roughly 2,600 total, not 5,000. My daughter just graduated from there and her graduating class was just under 1,300. It's certainly the biggest of the three Senior High Schools in Plano. Plano Sr only has about 2,100 and Plano West has about 1,800-1,900 or somewhere around there.

I know when they were looking for a coach they were touting the fact that there were over 5000 students & that it was the largest High school in Texas...I must have read it wrong...sorry

[AllenEagle06]

yall played East. Beat them 31-0 i think. Btw y does everyone think EAST is simply going to beat Allen? Allen is still really good. What happens of East looses?
I think PESH still goes to the playoffs even if they lose this week. Or maybe West still has a chance? Let's see PESH beat West and West beat Marcus and Marcus beat PESH. Marcus lost to Flower Mound so they're out. So no matter the outcome of the Allen/PESH game, Plano, Allen, and PESH are all set to go to the playoffs.......I think. :confused:

[Butch Fifield]

Current enrollment is roughly 2,600 total, not 5,000.

The official enrollment is like 5,000+. The actual number of kids that go to PESH is like 2600, because there are only juniors & seniors that go. But the official enrollment counts freshmen & sophomores that go to their feeder 9-10th high schools.

[Arazorback]

The official enrollment is like 5,000+. The actual number of kids that go to PESH is like 2600, because there are only juniors & seniors that go. But the official enrollment counts freshmen & sophomores that go to their feeder 9-10th high schools.

Ya beat me to it :) .
The playoffs are set for 8-5a
PESH-D1
Plano-D2-1
Allen-D2-2

[dragonbuck]

at 5000+ students, that makes PESH about 2.25X the size of SLC or other 5-5A schools. With over twice the enrollment, they should dominate. I guess the same case could be made for Midland Lee which is 5000+ also I heard.

Must just be "the systems" (as others claim) at SLC and other smaller schools that allow them to win the rings and leave the big guys watching on TV.

[PESHfan]

I know when they were looking for a coach they were touting the fact that there were over 5000 students & that it was the largest High school in Texas...I must have read it wrong...sorry


I'm not sure what you read to see the 5,000 enrollment number. Of course, if someone was including the 2 feeder High Schools (Williams & Clark) along with Plano East enrollment it would probably be about that.

Plano East - 2600
Williams - 1900
Clark - 1350

Since 9th and 10th graders from Williams and Clark are allowed to play on the Plano East teams, they might have included their enrollment figures. So, I guess we were both right on the numbers, huh? CJ Ugokwe came through Clark and played varsity as a 10th grader. The East cluster is nearly 5,000 students, but they all attend 3 distinctly separate schools. Hope that makes sense.

I know that Plano East historically has the largest graduating class in the state of Texas every year with approx 1250-1300. That's the longest two hours out of my life to listen to EVERY single name being read. I've done it twice already.

[cougardude]

It would'nt happen until the regional finals..Carroll would have had to dispose of Abilene by that point, we always play teams from the west...if....Carroll goes D-2.

Regional finals are the state quarterfinals. ;)

[Shoot2thrill]

at 5000+ students, that makes PESH about 2.25X the size of SLC or other 5-5A schools. With over twice the enrollment, they should dominate. I guess the same case could be made for Midland Lee which is 5000+ also I heard.Must just be "the systems" (as others claim) at SLC and other smaller schools that allow them to win the rings and leave the big guys watching on TV.

Not true about Midland Lee. The Midland ISD does the same with their high schools in that they split their high schools into 2 campuses. The freshmen attend a "freshman only" school that takes them to whatever HS they will attend the rest of the time they are in HS.

When the UIL looks at your numbers, they HAVE to count grades 9-12 to come up with your enrollment. Midland Lee's two campuses total somewhere in the mid 3000s for enrollment.

BYW, some of you guys are forgetting about Dallas Skyline's numbers. We played them in our non-district schedule a couple of years ago. Played them in back to back years on one of those home and home type deals. They had about 5000 kids at that time :eek: . I know they are a magnet school but I bet they are up there with PESH in numbers. :cool:

[pack0808]

Not true about Midland Lee. The Midland ISD does the same with their high schools in that they split their high schools into 2 campuses. The freshmen attend a "freshman only" school that takes them to whatever HS they will attend the rest of the time they are in HS.

When the UIL looks at your numbers, they HAVE to count grades 9-12 to come up with your enrollment. Midland Lee's two campuses total somewhere in the mid 3000s for enrollment.

BYW, some of you guys are forgetting about Dallas Skyline's numbers. We played them in our non-district schedule a couple of years ago. Played them in back to back years on one of those home and home type deals. They had about 5000 kids at that time :eek: . I know they are a magnet school but I bet they are up there with PESH in numbers. :cool:



Numbers hardly mean anything once you get to 2000 plus. It is proven over and over each year. The Woodlands has close to 5,000 and Lufkin is about 2,200 and you do not see The Woodlands in 1st place in their district do you?? Once you get high enough in classifications the numbers mean less and less.

[drgnbkr]

I'm not sure what you read to see the 5,000 enrollment number. Of course, if someone was including the 2 feeder High Schools (Williams & Clark) along with Plano East enrollment it would probably be about that.

Plano East - 2600
Williams - 1900
Clark - 1350

Since 9th and 10th graders from Williams and Clark are allowed to play on the Plano East teams, they might have included their enrollment figures. So, I guess we were both right on the numbers, huh? CJ Ugokwe came through Clark and played varsity as a 10th grader. The East cluster is nearly 5,000 students, but they all attend 3 distinctly separate schools. Hope that makes sense.

I know that Plano East historically has the largest graduating class in the state of Texas every year with approx 1250-1300. That's the longest two hours out of my life to listen to EVERY single name being read. I've done it twice already.

I'm pretty sure that all four classes are totaled to get the schools enrollment. Carroll has 2 campuses that are both totaled for the enrollment of 2260 or so.

[PaulinPlano]

Drgnbkr

I'm not sure where you got your info on Plano East. It's only a 2 year school for 11-12 grade. Current enrollment is roughly 2,600 total, not 5,000. My daughter just graduated from there and her graduating class was just under 1,300. It's certainly the biggest of the three Senior High Schools in Plano. Plano Sr only has about 2,100 and Plano West has about 1,800-1,900 or somewhere around there.
UIL rules include Plano East's 2 feeder High schools, Williams and Clark. Underclassmen from both of those schools play on the Plano East varsity team. Officially Plano East has an enrollment of over 5200 :eek: this year.

[drgnbkr]

UIL rules include Plano East's 2 feeder High schools, Williams and Clark. Underclassmen from both of those schools play on the Plano East varsity team. Officially Plano East has an enrollment of over 5200 :eek: this year.

The largest school in Texas...so at least recently, with PESH, size does not matter..... :)

[PESHfan]

UIL rules include Plano East's 2 feeder High schools, Williams and Clark. Underclassmen from both of those schools play on the Plano East varsity team. Officially Plano East has an enrollment of over 5200 :eek: this year.


Paul,

Just curious where you got your numbers?

PESH 2600
Williams 1900
Clark 1350

total enrollment 5850 +/- 100

The 5200 might have been from last year. I know Clark is up about 80 just since May.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Dare I ask - but what projections have bumped Plano to DII?

It's offical Plano East squeaked in last week after losing to Plano. Since Marcus lost. East is larger than Plano by a few hundred students..

Rest assured Plano is the largest Divison 2 school in the stae. :eek:

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

I know when they were looking for a coach they were touting the fact that there were over 5000 students & that it was the largest High school in Texas...I must have read it wrong...sorry

When taking highschool pops. They take into effect the 9th and 10th grade feeder schools at Plano. If it was one mega highschool. Yes they would have 5 thousand students. Plano allows 9th and 10th grade kids to play varsity if they can handle it.

[PESHfan]

I think PESH still goes to the playoffs even if they lose this week. Or maybe West still has a chance? Let's see PESH beat West and West beat Marcus and Marcus beat PESH. Marcus lost to Flower Mound so they're out. So no matter the outcome of the Allen/PESH game, Plano, Allen, and PESH are all set to go to the playoffs.......I think. :confused:

Other than school pride, it makes no difference who wins the game tomorrow between Allen and Plano East. If Allen had lost last week to Marcus, they (Marcus) would have had a chance to be in the playoffs because they could potentially be tied with Plano East and since they beat us 14-6, they would most likely take our place in the playoffs. The only other school even close is Plano West, and both Allen and Plano East beat them. So, tomorrow's game is just for school pride and bragging rights for the next year.

At least that's what I've head.

[PESHfan]

It's offical Plano East squeaked in last week after losing to Plano. Since Marcus lost. East is larger than Plano by a few hundred students..

Rest assured Plano is the largest Divison 2 school in the stae. :eek:

Just curious.....how is the enrollment of Jasper figured in with Plano and Plano West enrollment calculations since it's a split campus? Do they just cut the enrollment in half, or actually figure out who "should" go to each of their Senior High Schools?

[WildcatFan]

My brother-in-law a coach at PSHS, those who state that the custer zones make up the official enrollement figures are correct.

You have to factor the HS and SHS together as a cluster even though they are not at the same campus as total HS enrollment is based on total of secondary grades 9,10,11,&12 not physical buildings.

Plano Clusters are as follows

Plano West
Shepton
1/2 Jasper it splits along lines

Plano
Vines
1/2 Jasper it splits along lines

Plano East
Clark
Williams

10 graders in Plano ISD can be brought up to the Senior Highs to play JV or Varsity.

9th graders cannot that is UIL rile not Plano rule.

[WildcatFan]

Just curious.....how is the enrollment of Jasper figured in with Plano and Plano West enrollment calculations since it's a split campus? Do they just cut the enrollment in half, or actually figure out who "should" go to each of their Senior High Schools?

Yes they have record of where the kids live by the district lines in the cluster.

More of the Jasper kids actually go to PSHS than they do West which would reflect why West's enrollment is not as high as the Senior High. The ratio is not 50/50 more like 60/40

The hub-hub last year was redistrcting, which did not happen for probably gue to ISD political reasons I am sure. Had this happened more of the Jasper kids would have gone to West and Plano Senior High would have got 1/2 of Clark, which I think would have helped PSHS as more talent pool at Clark compared to Jasper.

At this point its going to remain until they build a new HS probably out near Murphy.

Then the scenario would be Plano West would get Shepton and Jasper, Plano would get Vines and Clark (Would win state if the did) PEHS would have Williams and the new School.

There you have it all you wanted to know about Plano ISD and probabaly more than you cared about.

HAHAHA

[WildcatFan]

Other than school pride, it makes no difference who wins the game tomorrow between Allen and Plano East. If Allen had lost last week to Marcus, they (Marcus) would have had a chance to be in the playoffs because they could potentially be tied with Plano East and since they beat us 14-6, they would most likely take our place in the playoffs. The only other school even close is Plano West, and both Allen and Plano East beat them. So, tomorrow's game is just for school pride and bragging rights for the next year.

At least that's what I've head.

You are correct the game means nothing as district was locked after last weeks Play. No other way East locked D1 and Allen and Wildcats go D2, West is too far out the only way for West might have been if Allen and Plano East played different opponents and both lost, and even then it would be remote but that's not the case.

8-5A is locked... done deal..... overwith!

Although I am a Wildcat fan I do hope East beats the snot out of Allen. Us Plano-ittes have to stick together plus I will root for East in thier D1 run. Will be a tough play-off road for them but good luck Panthers!

[PESHfan]

You are correct the game means nothing as district was locked after last weeks Play. No other way East locked D1 and Allen and Wildcats go D2, West is too far out the only way for West might have been if Allen and Plano East played different opponents and both lost, and even then it would be remote but that's not the case.

8-5A is locked... done deal..... overwith!

Although I am a Wildcat fan I do hope East beats the snot out of Allen. Us Plano-ittes have to stick together plus I will root for East in thier D1 run. Will be a tough play-off road for them but good luck Panthers!

Yep. We cheer for two teams each week.

Plano East and whoever is playing Allen that week!

Playoffs should be fun this year.

[rancher52]

Paul,

Just curious where you got your numbers?

PESH 2600
Williams 1900
Clark 1350

total enrollment 5850 +/- 100

The 5200 might have been from last year. I know Clark is up about 80 just since May.

The 5200 + number I think probably came from the UIL Alignment numbers (5221.58 -- the .58 is from the formula dividing the feeder schools). The number is from October 2003. In October every two years the count is taken and used in the Feb UIL meeting to establish the alignments for the upcoming 2 season period. The 10/03 count was for the 2004-05 and the 2005-06 years. The count from this past 10/05 will be used to determine the new alignments for 2006-07 and 2007-08 at the Feb 2006 UIL meetings.

[ktCarl]

Welcome back to the playoff season Plano fans.

You guys seem to be pumped.

[pshsfan]

10 graders in Plano ISD can be brought up to the Senior Highs to play JV or Varsity.

9th graders cannot that is UIL rile not Plano rule.


Couldn't be more incorrect on that one. Freshman can play varsity if they are good enough. I know freshman playing jv sports and one freshman that comes to mind who is a Varsity football player. And a freshman who is on our varsity wrestling lineup.

[Maroon Cathead]

Believe it was PISD rules that in years past prevented freshman and sophomores from playing on varsity teams. Several years ago, the rule was relaxed to allow exceptional sophomores to be called up. A few years ago, the rule was relaxed further to include freshman.

Currently, a freshman plays for the Plano Wildcats. His name is Rex Burkhead. Coincidently, his brother, a senior, also plays on the team (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15471694&BRD=1426&PAG=461&dept_id=528208&rfi=8).

[PESHfan]

Couldn't be more incorrect on that one. Freshman can play varsity if they are good enough. I know freshman playing jv sports and one freshman that comes to mind who is a Varsity football player. And a freshman who is on our varsity wrestling lineup.

That's true. Anthony Hill (Freshman last year) played Varsity Basketball at PESH. It's probably pretty rare for a 9th grader to get promoted all the way up to varsity, but it's not against any rules in PISD that I'm aware of.

[PESHfan]

The 5200 + number I think probably came from the UIL Alignment numbers (5221.58 -- the .58 is from the formula dividing the feeder schools). The number is from October 2003. In October every two years the count is taken and used in the Feb UIL meeting to establish the alignments for the upcoming 2 season period. The 10/03 count was for the 2004-05 and the 2005-06 years. The count from this past 10/05 will be used to determine the new alignments for 2006-07 and 2007-08 at the Feb 2006 UIL meetings.

Yep, snapshot day is all done now. Numbers for PESH will go up quite a bit, but the state is still trying to figure out how to handle the Katrina enrollments since they may or may not still be here next year.

[WildcatFan]

Couldn't be more incorrect on that one. Freshman can play varsity if they are good enough. I know freshman playing jv sports and one freshman that comes to mind who is a Varsity football player. And a freshman who is on our varsity wrestling lineup.

I would be quiet on that one because its a UIL rule that 9th grades cannot play on varsity sports. Its in the UIL rule book.

Better keep that on the QT as East is in violation if they are.

[dragonsdaddy]

find the rule and post it so that 10-15 percent of the teams in the state can be disqualified. trust me, you won't be able to cite the reference.

[rancher52]

Not only is 9th grade allowed to play varsity sports (see UIL Constitution and Contest Rules Subchapter M, Section 400) there is provision in Section 405 that allows "overaged" 8th graders to play although their 4 consecutive years of eligibility starts at that point. The individual school or District Executive Committee is allowed to adopt more stringent eligibility requirements but the UIL does allow 9th graders to play varsity sports.

[Butch Fifield]

would be quiet on that one because its a UIL rule that 9th grades cannot play on varsity sports. Its in the UIL rule book.

Better keep that on the QT as East is in violation if they are.

Heck even Plano has a freshman playing this year. Plano used to wouldn't even use Sophomores even after the UIL allowed 2 year senior highs to use them. Now I think they will take anyone they can get.