Buy or Sale Reggie and Vince

[PurpleNation]

McNeal

Passing

91-173- 1,453 YDS 12 TD's 5 INT's

52.6 % 140.26 QB Rating

Rushing

71-624 YDS 8.8 AVG 3 TD's


Young

Passing

105-169- 1,596 YDS's 14 TD's 7 INT's

65.6 % 169.54 QB Rating

Rushing

82-458 YDS 6 TD's

[PurpleNation]

I meant to make the pole were you could click more then one option oh well Buy or Sale one of the above I guess.

[dragonfootballfan]

I need to be able to check more than one choice. I want to buy both of them. I think that Reggie's future may be at receiver because he is a tremendous athlete. Vince will get a shot at quarterback and will not dissapoint. He has really improved over the past few years and I expect him to continue to improve.

[wide-e-wide]

Again...where is the stat of Qtr's played?

[PurpleNation]

Again...where is the stat of Qtr's played?



They Both have pretty much played the same amount. It seems Vince is passong better and Reggie is running Better this year.

[wide-e-wide]

How?
I have never seen Reggie come out of the game.
And Vince has come out in the 3rd Qtr. at least twice.

[PurpleNation]

How?
I have never seen Reggie come out of the game.
And Vince has come out in the 3rd Qtr. at least twice.



Actually against Texas State and SMU Reggie left Early. Plus they have attempted about the same # of passes and rushes. They both seem to be equal but keep in mind Vince has twice as much talent around him.

[dragonfootballfan]

Actually against Texas State and SMU Reggie left Early. Plus they have attempted about the same # of passes and rushes. They both seem to be equal but keep in mind Vince has twice as much talent around him.
But also remember Texas has had a much much harder schedule than Aggy. Texas has already played the best teams in the big 12 where as Aggy has played OK State and Baylor already. Texas gets to play those teams coming up and we will see what kind of numbers Vince puts up then.

[wide-e-wide]

Probably won't do much as far as stats...Reggie will be playing all 4 quarters...and Vince will come out shortly after halftime.

[dada]

Probably won't do much as far as stats...Reggie will be playing all 4 quarters...and Vince will come out shortly after halftime.
Besides Colorado, who are the common opponets? Look at what Vince did vs. Colorado and look what Reggie did. The "Vince has more Talent around him" excuse is the same thing we were saying when we were watching them in High School. Reggie played for Lufkin...a complete team, while Madison WAS Vince. I like both of these guys...not fair to compare the two.

[KT2000]

You tripped me up dada, I thought this thread was going to be Vince vs. the other Reggie.

[wide-e-wide]

Vince doesn't need a push.

[dada]

You tripped me up dada, I thought this thread was going to be Vince vs. the other Reggie.
Reggie Bush? I like Vince but I would take Bush in a heart beat(Wide get your head out of the gutter)

[heightsboy77]

vince young is amazing runner but who knows what hes gonna play in the nfl

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Sorry Purplenation, gotta correct your stats...

McNeal

Passing

91-173- 1,674 YDS 13 TD's 7 INT's

52.6 % 140.26 QB Rating

Rushing

81-640 YDS 8.8 AVG 3 TD's


Young

Passing

105-169- 1,835 YDS's 16 TD's 8 INT's

65.6 % 169.54 QB Rating

Rushing

103-725 YDS 8 TD's

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I buy both of these guys being successful in the NFL. Just need work on mechanics and reading schemes! They're very athletic and have plenty of arm to toss the rock!

[Hdshrinker]

I sell them both. I think we are seeing the day of the scrambling running QB is a career limitation due to injurires. By the time they are mature, and savy enough to take their teams to the superbowls they are too broke up to do so.

Both are good athletes.

[FootballJunkie]

I sell them both. I think we are seeing the day of the scrambling running QB is a career limitation due to injurires. By the time they are mature, and savy enough to take their teams to the superbowls they are too broke up to do so.

Both are good athletes.

There was a guy by the name of Steve Young he had pretty good wheels and some pretty big wins as well. I think a mobile QB is the way to go. An all out runner that is something different.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I sell them both. I think we are seeing the day of the scrambling running QB is a career limitation due to injurires. By the time they are mature, and savy enough to take their teams to the superbowls they are too broke up to do so.

Both are good athletes.

Just my experience speaking, but I must say the speed of the game is out of this world. Defensive ends are as fast as ever, defensive tackles are bigger and stronger, and get more push, different/unique blitz packages are being adapted every year. The league, as whole, is evolving...Coach Gibbs can even see that! He said in an interview last year...that his 3rd string LB's, today, could start for any of the Super Bowl teams he had, and they would of been Pro Bowlers. I agree.

With that said....
The day of the pocket-passer is slowly coming to an end. Yes, you have Peyton, Brady, Palmer and some other guys.....but I want you to watch how many times these guys are hit....not just sacked...hit! Watch how many interceptions they throw so that they can get rid of the ball. If Brett, Elway, Aikman and Marino were coming into todays game they wouldn't have the foot-speed to get to the sideline or run for a first down...they'd be knocked unconscience everytime. And Marino and Elway have both admitted it!

McNabb, Vick, Culpepper, Young, McNeal (even Brady Quinn) and a few others have the speed and/or agility to make plays happen. Just imagine if these players had the receiving core that Palmer, Rothelisberger and Manning & Manning have?! They'd be unstoppable!

An arm like a cannon...4.2 to 4.4 speed, agility like a cat and the potential to breakdown shemes and coverages....I think I'd take that kind of QB, than the Qb that will began to have a shorter shelf life, standing in the pocket...like Carr, Harrington and Alex Smith. (Granted they have horrible O-lines, though!) And Carr actually has decent foot-speed, he's just been worn out by all the sacks, over the past 3 1/2 years.

I just think the evolving league...power, speed and agility will make for a new type of QB....and these guys are the beginning!!

[Hdshrinker]

Just my experience speaking, but I must say the speed of the game is out of this world. Defensive ends are as fast as ever, defensive tackles are bigger and stronger, and get more push, different/unique blitz packages are being adapted every year. The league, as whole, is evolving...Coach Gibbs can even see that! He said in an interview last year...that his 3rd string LB's, today, could start for any of the Super Bowl teams he had, and they would of been Pro Bowlers. I agree.

With that said....
The day of the pocket-passer is slowly coming to an end. Yes, you have Peyton, Brady, Palmer and some other guys.....but I want you to watch how many times these guys are hit....not just sacked...hit! Watch how many interceptions they throw so that they can get rid of the ball. If Brett, Elway, Aikman and Marino were coming into todays game they wouldn't have the foot-speed to get to the sideline or run for a first down...they'd be knocked unconscience everytime. And Marino and Elway have both admitted it!

McNabb, Vick, Culpepper, Young, McNeal (even Brady Quinn) and a few others have the speed and/or agility to make plays happen. Just imagine if these players had the receiving core that Palmer, Rothelisberger and Manning & Manning have?! They'd be unstoppable!

An arm like a cannon...4.2 to 4.4 speed, agility like a cat and the potential to breakdown shemes and coverages....I think I'd take that kind of QB, than the Qb that will began to have a shorter shelf life, standing in the pocket...like Carr, Harrington and Alex Smith. (Granted they have horrible O-lines, though!) And Carr actually has decent foot-speed, he's just been worn out by all the sacks, over the past 3 1/2 years.

I just think the evolving league...power, speed and agility will make for a new type of QB....and these guys are the beginning!!



You were a player once...or at least I think that's what I have heard you say....which is it easier to do...pass block or run block?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

You were a player once...or at least I think that's what I have heard you say....which is it easier to do...pass block or run block?

Many, I played with, said it was easier to run block, because the eyes are on the runner, and not the O-lineman. However, if you're the guy that gives up a sack on David Carr...the spotlight is on you.

Technically, pass blocking is more difficult because you're having to stop a straight forward pass-rush, whether it be from a 6'6 322 pounder - who benches 675 lbs and squats 850 or a 6'6 275 pounder - who runs a 4.6 40 and utlizes quick/explosive karate-like movements to get around you.

Run blocking is better for the maulers - the guys that are 6'7 355 pounds. (i.e....they might say their weight is 325 in the media book, but it's nowhere near that weight! ;) ) Those big guys are explosive and take advantage of knowing the snap count, knowing where the ball is going and being able to get their body between the runner and the tackler. Centers have the "funnest" position having to mostly work against what's called the "2nd level" - LB's. They make audibles, while the QB is calling the cadence, or "toying" with the LB's. (< giving no-sense calls and pointing at the LB's/DB's to throw the defense off!) The center has the ability to audible blocking assignments, and usually gives a one word signal to change the scheme. It's much easier when changing running plays!

All of the linemen positions, be it O-line or D-line, on the field utilize various trained movements. It's just not, "Go out there and block someone!". There are particular techniques (and lots of them) that must be "mastered" and even then it's a super-tough job!

For example: D-lineman have counts and a list of movements that coincide. An oustide swim move - with an inside step, rip, back-over spin may use 12 true movements. You're trained that way, and sometimes it actually happens that way in the game! (i.e..Dwight Freeney) An O-lineman may use a cross- lateral outside step, with an under-jerk and pull to counter that! And he might signal the gaurd before the snap to alert him to the possiblity.

Crazy! I know! It's a crazy game!

[wide-e-wide]

Or you could just poke him in the eyes and kick him in his junk...

[Hdshrinker]

Many, I played with, said it was easier to run block, because the eyes are on the runner, and not the O-lineman. However, if you're the guy that gives up a sack on David Carr...the spotlight is on you.

Technically, pass blocking is more difficult because you're having to stop a straight forward pass-rush, whether it be from a 6'6 322 pounder - who benches 675 lbs and squats 850 or a 6'6 275 pounder - who runs a 4.6 40 and utlizes quick/explosive karate-like movements to get around you.

Run blocking is better for the maulers - the guys that are 6'7 355 pounds. (i.e....they might say their weight is 325 in the media book, but it's nowhere near that weight! ;) ) Those big guys are explosive and take advantage of knowing the snap count, knowing where the ball is going and being able to get their body between the runner and the tackler. Centers have the "funnest" position having to mostly work against what's called the "2nd level" - LB's. They make audibles, while the QB is calling the cadence, or "toying" with the LB's. (< giving no-sense calls and pointing at the LB's/DB's to throw the defense off!) The center has the ability to audible blocking assignments, and usually gives a one word signal to change the scheme. It's much easier when changing running plays!

All of the linemen positions, be it O-line or D-line, on the field utilize various trained movements. It's just not, "Go out there and block someone!". There are particular techniques (and lots of them) that must be "mastered" and even then it's a super-tough job!

For example: D-lineman have counts and a list of movements that coincide. An oustide swim move - with an inside step, rip, back-over spin may use 12 true movements. You're trained that way, and sometimes it actually happens that way in the game! (i.e..Dwight Freeney) An O-lineman may use a cross- lateral outside step, with an under-jerk and pull to counter that! And he might signal the gaurd before the snap to alert him to the possiblity.

Crazy! I know! It's a crazy game!


I played...not at the professional level, but the lineman always preferred pass blocking, except the one that let's the QB get dumped. You don't have to stop the rusher...you have to steer him around the pocket.


Just wondering.........

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I played...not at the professional level, but the lineman always preferred pass blocking, except the one that let's the QB get dumped. You don't have to stop the rusher...you have to steer him around the pocket.


Just wondering.........

You're taught to chest punch/stop the rusher on the line of scrimmage. Steering the player around the qb/pocket, usually, only works with o-tackles, who are quick enough to get out/on a speedy d-end. usually d-tackles will find their way back into the pocket by spinning...or back-cutting. (< juking)

No lineman wants to steer his opponent around the pocket...he'd rather punch his chest out, right there on the line of scrimmage - stopping his forward movement! Steering happens, as a last resort, when the pocket collapses....or the opponent's speed overwhelms the o-lineman!

That's what the big boys are taught in college and, most definitely, in the pros!! High school is funny, as technique is not emphasized, as much as it should be.

[Hdshrinker]

You're taught to chest punch/stop the rusher on the line of scrimmage. Steering the player around the qb/pocket, usually, only works with o-tackles, who are quick enough to get out/on a speedy d-end. usually d-tackles will find their way back into the pocket by spinning...or back-cutting. (< juking)

No lineman wants to steer his opponent around the pocket...he'd rather punch his chest out, right there on the line of scrimmage - stopping his forward movement! Steering happens, as a last resort, when the pocket collapses....or the opponent's speed overwhelms the o-lineman!

That's what the big boys are taught in college and, most definitely, in the pros!! High school is funny, as technique is not emphasized, as much as it should be.


Still it was easier than having to blow that charging d line off the blocks and widen gaps?


I guess to each his own.....like I said. I didn't play at the next level nor was I a lineman....I was the head hunter waiting....... or meeting the runner in the alley