Ozzie Guillen has it right

[slorch]

OK, for all of the PCers in the world, I give you Ozzie Guillen, Manager of the Chicago White Sox, 2 years removed from the World Series Championship against the Astros. Seems Ozzie has tired of the constant hype, clamoring, and sugerlips wooing of the crosstown rival Cubs, and let a rant go in public to the effect of-

We're horse-:Censor:. We won the World Series and we were still horse-:Censor:. They haven't won :Censor: in a hundred years and they are all anyone wants to talk about. :Censor: 'em. we'll always be horse-:Censor:, no matter what we do.

Sidenote( and sidesplitter)- As the Manager and leader of the slumping White Sox, Guillen upheld his responsibility to change his teams course by adding the all time best slump buster to the lockerrroom-

















blow-up dolls.

I think I like the way Ozzie rolls.

[lonny23]

OK, for all of the PCers in the world, I give you Ozzie Guillen, Manager of the Chicago White Sox, 2 years removed from the World Series Championship against the Astros. Seems Ozzie has tired of the constant hype, clamoring, and sugerlips wooing of the crosstown rival Cubs, and let a rant go in public to the effect of-

We're horse-:Censor:. We won the World Series and we were still horse-:Censor:. They haven't won :Censor: in a hundred years and they are all anyone wants to talk about. :Censor: 'em. we'll always be horse-, no matter what we do.

Sidenote( and sidesplitter)- As the Manager and leader of the slumping White Sox, Guillen upheld his responsibility to change his teams course by adding the all time best slump buster to the lockerrroom-

















blow-up dolls.

I think I like the way Ozzie rolls.
I like Ozzie, too. He keeps it real.

Then again, the music collection I've expanded several times recently has all kinds of songs that are truly tasteless and would offend many around here!:D

[tayb]

The city of Chicago will ALWAYS be a Cubs town.

[slorch]

The city of Chicago will ALWAYS be a Cubs town.

Do you like hype or substance, cubsfans?

[WestPlano006]

He has a very good point. The Cubs have done absolutely nothing... yet people still are crazy over them. I wish the Rangers could suck it up and still draw the attention like the Cubs.

[Firebird]

People aren't really Cubs fans so much as Wrigley Field fans.

[WestPlano006]

People aren't really Cubs fans so much as Wrigley Field fans.

Winner

[slorch]

I hope i'm not supposed to like my 2 favorite teams because of the stadiums-
Texas Tech and our high school field- Jones AT&T Stadium

Dallas Cowboys and their hellhole of a dump- Texas Stadium.

[KT2000]

People aren't really Cubs fans so much as Wrigley Field fans.

That may be true for some Cub fans not affiliated with the city of Chicago in any way. I lived in Chicago for a few years, and an entire side of my family has lived in the area all their lives. There are family members on both sides of the fence.

From what I've experienced in the city itself, the Cubs are very much a part of the overall fabric of the town. The tradition and Wrigley Field certainly play a role in that. The Cubs were the original pro baseball team in the city. The Sox have been around a very long time as well and are also ingrained into the city's culture.

The North Side-South Side factor plays a definite role. If you haven't been to the South Side of Chicago or know nothing of the history, it's not exactly a glamorous area. It is the industrial epicenter of the city. In the last 20+ years, parts of the South Side also have gained a notorious reputation for crime. The various housing projects have been an eyesore for the city itself. The immediate area around US Cellular (and formerly Old Comiskey-New Comiskey) is not somewhere you want to go for a stroll. On weekends, you definitely wouldn't hang around after the game looking for bars, etc.

It is the total opposite around Wrigley. Some of the most affluent areas in the city are located in close proximity to Wrigley. This area of the city has boomed. There is plenty to do in that part of town. A Cubs game can be an all day event. A Sox outing is more likely to just be the 2-3 hours in the stadium, and folks will go elsewhere pre/post-game.

I've been to Wrigley Field, and Old Comiskey-New Comiskey.

Parts of the North Side are said to be the most densely populated in the city. While the South Side enjoys a large land area, it is more industrial and the contrasts in living conditions are much greater than what you see on the North side.

As far as the identity of the franchises is concerned, Chicagoans have a very strong sense of pride despite the tough times endure by both clubs. There are many that strongly identify themselves as either Cubs or Sox fans. Chicago is an unbelievable sports town overall. Again, both clubs are very much ingrained into the fabric of the city itself.

[Firebird]

That may be true for some Cub fans not affiliated with the city of Chicago in any way. I lived in Chicago for a few years, and an entire side of my family has lived in the area all their lives. There are family members on both sides of the fence.

From what I've experienced in the city itself, the Cubs are very much a part of the overall fabric of the town. The tradition and Wrigley Field certainly play a role in that. The Cubs were the original pro baseball team in the city. The Sox have been around a very long time as well and are also ingrained into the city's culture.

The North Side-South Side factor plays a definite role. If you haven't been to the South Side of Chicago or know nothing of the history, it's not exactly a glamorous area. It is the industrial epicenter of the city. In the last 20+ years, parts of the South Side also have gained a notorious reputation for crime. The various housing projects have been an eyesore for the city itself. The immediate area around US Cellular (and formerly Old Comiskey-New Comiskey) is not somewhere you want to go for a stroll. On weekends, you definitely wouldn't hang around after the game looking for bars, etc.

It is the total opposite around Wrigley. Some of the most affluent areas in the city are located in close proximity to Wrigley. This area of the city has boomed. There is plenty to do in that part of town. A Cubs game can be an all day event. A Sox outing is more likely to just be the 2-3 hours in the stadium, and folks will go elsewhere pre/post-game.

I've been to Wrigley Field, and Old Comiskey-New Comiskey.

Parts of the North Side are said to be the most densely populated in the city. While the South Side enjoys a large land area, it is more industrial and the contrasts in living conditions are much greater than what you see on the North side.

As far as the identity of the franchises is concerned, Chicagoans have a very strong sense of pride despite the tough times endure by both clubs. There are many that strongly identify themselves as either Cubs or Sox fans. Chicago is an unbelievable sports town overall. Again, both clubs are very much ingrained into the fabric of the city itself.

Yeah, I def. got that vibe when I was up there. One of my good friends is a South Sider and he hates the Cubs and their fans. It's kinda like NY in that regard. Chicago is North Side--South Side. In NY, Manhattan, and the Bronx root for the Yankees while Queens, a lot of Brooklyn, and Staten Island go for the Mets.

[KT2000]

Yeah, I def. got that vibe when I was up there. One of my good friends is a South Sider and he hates the Cubs and their fans. It's kinda like NY in that regard. Chicago is North Side--South Side. In NY, Manhattan, and the Bronx root for the Yankees while Queens, a lot of Brooklyn, and Staten Island go for the Mets.

We lived on the west side in Oak Park. That area is probably best identified with Frank Lloyd Wright and his architecture. You could hop on the El and be downtown in 15-20 minutes.

Cubs and Bulls games were very difficult tickets. This was 1990-1993, so you can see why that was. A couple guys named Ryne Sandberg and Michael Jordan were in the process of becoming city legends. I went to several Sox games. A young Frank Thomas was the star of the team at the time.

[country club]

Sounds like whinning to me. Respect is earned. Evidently he hasn't earned it from some people. Win games, show some class, it will come. If he thinks Cub fans are going to change their stripes, he is saddly mistaken. It is a North Side, South Side thang. So what ? You gotta respect CUBBY Fans, they are anything but, FAIR WEATHER. To Guillen I say, SHUT UP AND PLAY BALL. If you want Adoration, go to the South Side Boys and Girls Club and donate some time and effort. Besides, you fired your third base coach and he was a good friend of mine and a great asset to your organization.


.02

[green day]

If you are a Sox Fan and grew up in the 1960-80's there, you won't find a better explanation as to the differences of both sides, and why you can't love both teams, than by reading Rick Roeper's book, Sox in the City.

Growing up on the south side, Sox games carried on fuzzy UHF channels, seeing the lights as you approach the park, the stench of cigar and the wonderful smell of ethnic ballpark foods, McCuddy's tavern, Disco Demo, Harry, Veeck, Melton, Dick Allen, LaRussa, it's all there.

[FootballCrazy727]

Gotta be honest here...I hate Ozzie Guillen. To me he is the biggest ***** in MLB. Of course people in C-Town are going to like the Cubs more, thats like the Clippers complaing that more people like the Lakers

[WestPlano006]

Gotta be honest here...I hate Ozzie Guillen. To me he is the biggest ***** in MLB. Of course people in C-Town are going to like the Cubs more, thats like the Clippers complaing that more people like the Lakers

The thing is, the Lakers actually won titles in recent years (and a lot in the past!), and the Clippers just plain suck. The ChiSox won a World Series in the last 5 years, the Cubs haven't in over 100.

[drgnbkr]

That crazy Ozzie..he was crazy with Black Sabbath, biting the heads off of bats and he's still crazy with the sox...Black Sabbath, White Sox...he's integrated...:p

[WestPlano006]

I still think Lou Piniella is the manager with the best personality in baseball. Ozzie is just a blabbering swearing machine. Nothing makes me happier than to see Piniella out there kicking dirt and throwing his hat around, the fans love it, then listening to his post game tyrade with his head totally red from anger. The commercial he did too was pretty good, if any of you saw that.

[AE 8008]

I still think Lou Piniella is the manager with the best personality in baseball. Ozzie is just a blabbering swearing machine. Nothing makes me happier than to see Piniella out there kicking dirt and throwing his hat around, the fans love it, then listening to his post game tyrade with his head totally red from anger. The commercial he did too was pretty good, if any of you saw that.


"say hello to the Mrs. for me!" :D

[slorch]

Sounds like whinning to me. Respect is earned. Evidently he hasn't earned it from some people. Win games, show some class, it will come. If he thinks Cub fans are going to change their stripes, he is saddly mistaken. It is a North Side, South Side thang. So what ? You gotta respect CUBBY Fans, they are anything but, FAIR WEATHER. To Guillen I say, SHUT UP AND PLAY BALL. If you want Adoration, go to the South Side Boys and Girls Club and donate some time and effort. Besides, you fired your third base coach and he was a good friend of mine and a great asset to your organization.


.02

I'm not a Chicagoan, so i don't really care. I just like his style. I too value substance over hyperbole. Oh yeah, he did win.

How do you know that Guillen doesn't contribute to charity with time or money?

I'm not saying that he's a saint, by any stretch, but I like his moxy. there aren't enough folks that tell the truth in sports, entertainment, or politics. Ozzie provides some in all 3 categories.:D