How Would You Vote If You Were Strake?

[Drake]

HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IF YOUR JOB WAS TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR TEAM?

You're a Strake Jesuit official in charge of voting whether or not to make up the cancelled game between your team and Katy. This is the situation:

- Because of injuries, your team, which is made up from the smallest enrollment in the district anyway, is down to 30 something players including a number of sophomores.

- In last few weeks your HEAD COACH has suffered a heart attack and is unavailable for several weeks.

- The plan you're voting on has been proposed by Katy ISD officials and has your team playing 4 games in 16 days

- It is difficult to fathom beating Katy in any scenario and there's a good chance by playing you'll sustain further player injuries

- Your primary goal is to make the playoffs this season, your second season in UIL

If you vote "Play anyway" it would be interesting to hear your reasoning.

[eagleike]

Your players would want to play the best. By not playing you are sending the wrong message to the team.

[Drake]

Your players would want to play the best. By not playing you are sending the wrong message to the team.

I can see what your saying. Maybe they could have laid it out and let the team vote <shrug>

[dragonfootballfan]

I would vote to play the games so that the team will be garaunteed its ten games. That is all you are given in high school football and the players on the team may only play nine games this year because of that. The players should want to play the games as well.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

There are 2 ways to vote.

If I look at your statements WHICH ARE ALL IN THE INTEREST OF SELF and those are the principals I wanted to instill in students then I would vote no.

If I knew my vote would impact the playoffs and would probably not be fair to the third seed or 195a overall and I wanted to teach my students that it is not always about ME ME ME, It's about principals and doing the next right thing regardless of self interest, then I would vote yes.

Believe me when I tell you having to share a district title with Strake is not a concern for Katy. That is not what we are about. See my post E.T. vs SLC Poll. You don't get to be on top by just playing football, it's about character and principals.

I'm sure that Lufkin, SLC, SV, and a host of other perenials know this and would agree. We are so fortunate to have this wonderful game where we get to support and participate with our children as they go through highschool and how grateful I am that it not only keeps them focused and out of trouble but also teaches them the lessons they need to participate in life.

[hornfan713]

Regardless of injuries, I would vote to play, because I would know that it's only fair to the players that they get to play that game, especially for the seniors, who want ever last shot they can get since many of them will not be suiting up again.

A question though, why didn't the Alief schools vote to play the games anyway?

Also


Believe me when I tell you having to share a district title with Strake is not a concern for Katy. That is not what we are about. See my post E.T. vs SLC Poll. You don't get to be on top by just playing football, it's about character and principals.
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I know you feel that way TigerDad, but it seems like many people disagree with you. I think this whole argument is being represented by the people who feel the most strongly about it, and many those people on both sides tend to SAY they place character above winning, but their other comments disagree. I applaud you for voicing your opinion on this and representing the true spirit of Texas football.

[lonny23]

If it was the difference between making the playoffs or not, I'd take making the playoffs. Since everybody and Adam said Strake would now go undefeated, making the playoffs wasn't an issue and they should've played to get good playoff-like experience before it counts.

[katyrecsquad6]

i just wish that someone from strake would just come out and say that strake is afraid of playing katy. I feel the players should make the choice if they play or not.

[Drake]

i just wish that someone from strake would just come out and say that strake is afraid of playing katy. I feel the players should make the choice if they play or not.

I don't think anyone will come out and say that because I just don't anyone at Strake believes thats the case, and unless you KNOW that to be true, its an insulting remark and one, along with many others, that keeps the animosity from quelling...

[dragonfootballfan]

i just wish that someone from strake would just come out and say that strake is afraid of playing katy. I feel the players should make the choice if they play or not.
they are not afraid of playing Katy, but they do not want to play Katy. There is a difference although it is small

[ktfiend]

I don't understand what the debate is about.... SJ's coach came right out and said that the reason they voted the way they did is because they only had 35 or so kids and didn't want to play Katy. No guessing necessary about this topic.

I think they should have voted to play the game. By avoiding it, the administration has only shown the kids how to use the system to their advantage, and bypass the work. And who knows, perhaps SJ would have won and could have claimed a title without the little notation that they didn't have to play one of the hardest, if not the hardest, team in the district. I guess we'll never know.

[Drake]

they are not afraid of playing Katy, but they do not want to play Katy. There is a difference although it is small

Dragon, With all the factors laid out in my first post in this thread, don't you think that perhaps the totality of the situation led them to their decision, and although the Katy game was the one that got cancelled and that the opponent weighed in the consideration, that Strake MAY have voted NO regardless of the team they would have to make the game up with? I mean, isn't that even fathomable?

Also, this stuff about building character, etc... Strake Jesuit made arrangements for and took in 400 kids from Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina, more than any other school I'm aware of. This meant that Strake had to rent portable classrooms, create night and weekend classes, and donate time and money to the effort. Some have gone home and some are still at Strake. Some live with students and some live with teachers and Strake officials. Each Louisiana student was assigned a buddy so they were made to feel welcomed while they were here and, to my knowledge, there hasn't been a problem. I saw on the news after Katrina that there were gang fights between Texas and Louisiana kids in other schools, schools that took on much less of the burden.

However, in light of this, the spin from Katy and in other football circles was that Strake took on all this to bolster their football program when the fact is that only 7 SENIORS (because they were SENIORS) were even allowed to come out for football and only 2 ever played (in mop up duty against Taylor). The 7 have all since returned to Louisiana.

Perhaps Strake teaches its character lessons in ways other than mano e mano on the football field, but make no mistakes about it, Strake graduates leave Strake with outstanding character, and a great education too. Its graduating class last year AVERAGED 1300+ on the SATS. If you think I'm bragging, or view that STAT as anything else but impressive then YOUR priorities are messed up. These are the character builders and expectations that are important to me and the things I considered when I enrolled my son, NOT because of the "character" lessons we'd receive in football games against stronger opponents, including Katy.

[Redneckn]

I would say play it..I would instruct my team to cause as much damage as possible to the other team. That way in the end we could say "well, you wanted to play. So we did.. Oh, and sorry about your qb's knees".


I think it's amusing that everything thinks Strake is scared or something. It's a football game, not "hot potato" with a grenade. some teams give themselves way too much credit.

[ktrain]

I would say play it..I would instruct my team to cause as much damage as possible to the other team. That way in the end we could say "well, you wanted to play. So we did.. Oh, and sorry about your qb's knees".


I think it's amusing that everything thinks Strake is scared or something. It's a football game, not "hot potato" with a grenade. some teams give themselves way too much credit.

You are way over the line if you are advocating intentionally injuring players

[Big Daddy Cool]

- Because of injuries, your team, which is made up from the smallest enrollment in the district anyway, is down to 30 something players including a number of sophomores.

I don't see that one as much of an excuse. I mean there are some teams out there that have played the entire season with just barely 30 or more kids. It's just something smaller schools often face. Your not always going to ahve the same numbers as your oppnent.


- The plan you're voting on has been proposed by Katy ISD officials and has your team playing 4 games in 16 days.

Again what't the big deal there most everyone has had to make some sacrifices due to the games that were concelled because of Rita.

- It is difficult to fathom beating Katy in any scenario and there's a good chance by playing you'll sustain further player injuries

Again that's nothing every other team in the state doesn't face at one time or another.

Every program is faced with some kind of adversity every year. it si the strong ones that over come those adversities and press on. Does that mean they all succeed in acomplishing their goal of course not. Though they cn atleast say no matter what was thrown at us we gave it our all and came out better for it.

[Redneckn]

You are way over the line if you are advocating intentionally injuring players


I wasn't really advocating it... I was just stating what I would do if I were coaching Strake. I'm not coaching Strake, or anyone else for that matter, so technically, it's not over the line...

[KT2000]

Just when you think it's over...

[Drake]

KT2000,

Why would you want it to be over? Its an interesting, stimulating debate... I'll admit it's getting a bit old, but its better than something inane like "name the best katy team ever" or "How many laces should a football have?". Many have thought about and offered thoughtful points of view. I know I've learned from some of the perspectives that contrast mine, especially yours... and its better than working! ;)

[ktrain]

I wasn't really advocating it... I was just stating what I would do if I were coaching Strake. I'm not coaching Strake, or anyone else for that matter, so technically, it's not over the line...

If the thought crossed your mind then your over.

[Redneckn]

If the thought crossed your mind then your over.


Not really.. But I guess that's all just a matter of ones own personal opinion.

[ktrain]

Not really.. But I guess that's all just a matter of ones own personal opinion.

Says a lot about your moral character.

[Redneckn]

Says a lot about your moral character.


Now I feel all bad. You think my moral character is not up to par with the rest of Texas...Geez...
Wait as second... It may indeed say a lot about my moral character. But before you can determine what that really mean, you have to be able to difine "morals". Get back to me when you get that one figured out.

[dragonsdaddy]

any coach that would do as you recommend and send in his goons deserves to be punished with banishment to coaching for the tdc, morals or not.

[Redneckn]

any coach that would do as you recommend and send in his goons deserves to be punished with banishment to coaching for the tdc, morals or not.

I'm not saying a coach should do that.. I'm saying that IF I were a coach. I'm not a coach.. Your boys will be ok this weekend.

The whole point of this is that as much crap as the Katy folks have been dishing towards the Strake folks, I wouldnt blame them for getting a little more physical than usual.
Do I have to spell everything out?


As for the Morals thing. Morals: What is deemed to be good for the betterment of the existing society.

[dragonsdaddy]

everyone agrees that you aren't a coach, and all are glad of it too.

[rwilleby]

Just when you think it's over...
And I thought everyone was really acting nice...

I'm driving by this one...

[ktCarl]

I wonder if Strake officials would have voted no if the game they were missing was Mayde Creek?

This subject is getting old, StrakeDrake. Focus on Elsik and Cinco Ranch and the upcoming playoffs. The vote is over and it is what it is.

[htownfootball]

i voted play anyway
strake got to a respected level by playing the best (5a, bay city) and beating normal teams consistently

[ktrain]

Posting smack and talking about hurting kids is two completly different topics.
If you check the thread I only responded to your post. I just couldnt let that comment ride.

[drgnbkr]

I can not conceive of a situation where Strake should not play the full 10 games if given the option. I realize weather was the cause but you've been given a remedy and have opted out. I M O it gives everyone another reason to be doubtful of the whole Private school / UIL deal...

[Drake]

I wonder if Strake officials would have voted no if the game they were missing was Mayde Creek?

This subject is getting old, StrakeDrake. Focus on Elsik and Cinco Ranch and the upcoming playoffs. The vote is over and it is what it is.

I agree that WHO Strake was to play was probably (remember, unless you're the one that made the decision, its ALL speculation) a mitigating factor in their decision, but I believe there were MANY other factors that, along with that, led to their decision. I tried to point them out when I laid out this poll.

The subject IS getting old, but its important to me because I believe, and this poll reflects it, that there is still a general contempt around the state for the Jesuit schools for what is viewed as forcing their way into the UIL. I'm all for an attitude of "whats done is done and lets move on", but until I see that as the prevailing attitude towards our school, I'll continue to fight for it, because our kids deserve the effort. Case in point; Strake just this week moved into a tie for twentieth in the Chronicle area poll. Now, at 7-0, I think they should have been there sooner and should be higher. It doesn't really matter UNLESS they were ignored until this week because of a negative bias. I'm not saying there is, just using this as example of how players could be disadvantaged by a contempt for Strake's program by the adults in the state that sway decisions.

9 out of 10 that voted on my little poll disagreed with Strake's decision, which is fine. My goal however, was not to win the vote, but to get everyone that was interested in casting a vote or voicing an opinion to LEARN ALL the circumstances that Strake had to consider. Reasonable, open-minded individual's look at both sides and appreciate human nature and perhaps one or two that voted "play anyway" can appreciate Strake's position regardless of how they would of acted.

[ktCarl]

O.K., you've had your say and everyone knows your opinion.
Htownfootball has taken the lead to stick to game and matchup threads and I and all the Katy posters have followed. Everything is better that way.
Now on to the games and the rest of the season and thank you KT2000 for not locking this thread after my comments.

[tigersdad09]

The plan you're voting on has been proposed by Katy ISD officials and has your team playing 4 games in 16 days


So one of Strake's reason for voting to not play was becasue KISD proposed the plan for the make up games. Well did Strake or Alief ISD bring a plan to the table or was it that the 4 schools Admin. allready had their minds made up not play. Don't use the excuse that KISD made up the plans, everyone had their chance to bring a plan to the table...yall just didn't...

[htownfootball]

dont associate redneckins opinions with strake jesuit's as a community

[Fleeman93]

i voted play anyway
strake got to a respected level by playing the best (5a, bay city) and beating normal teams consistently

Which team did the jesuits beat to become respected? I know you are not talking about a Baytown Lee team that is 0-6. Maybe you are talking about the two TAPPS power house schools in St Pius or St Thomas? The jesuits are an average team at best.

5A Opponents Record To Date: 9 - 25

The jesuits will finish the regular season without facing a team that has a winning record.

[farmerfan]

I can not conceive of a situation where Strake should not play the full 10 games if given the option. I realize weather was the cause but you've been given a remedy and have opted out. I M O it gives everyone another reason to be doubtful of the whole Private school / UIL deal...

Couldnt agree more, they whined and cried about getting to play in UIL, now they get to avoid Katy and saying they were co-champs, all while running from the game. Since the Jesuits cried about being in the UIL, now they get to run from the best, seems like the whiners are now coming into the UIL and getting their way. All the more reason why they should not have been allowed into the UIL.
They say its because they are the smallest school in the district and down to 30 players, well welcome to 5A football, now its time to go back where you belong.

[Redneckn]

dont associate redneckins opinions with strake jesuit's as a community


I agree.. Please don't do that.. I know nothing of Strake other then they play ball, they are a Private, most everyone seems to hate the idea of them being in the UIL.
As far as I know, the people of Strake may enjoy being talked down to all the time and verbally spat upon by the publics of the area. Who knows for sure?

I was just stating my own personal (as a non coach) opinion because it was pretty much asked for when I made my vote.
Haven't you ever daydreamed before? That's really all it is.. I mean, I don't advocate violence on the field.. But, like the rest of the country, if a huge fight breaks out, I am gonna watch.

Dragonsdaddy. I'm glad everybody knows I'm not a coach. I'm glad I'm not a coach. That would be terrible.. You would have a team of chubby shaved head guys smoking too many Camels and drinking Dr.Peppers.

[TIGER07]

HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IF YOUR JOB WAS TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR TEAM?

You're a Strake Jesuit official in charge of voting whether or not to make up the cancelled game between your team and Katy. This is the situation:

- Because of injuries, your team, which is made up from the smallest enrollment in the district anyway, is down to 30 something players including a number of sophomores.

- In last few weeks your HEAD COACH has suffered a heart attack and is unavailable for several weeks.

- The plan you're voting on has been proposed by Katy ISD officials and has your team playing 4 games in 16 days


excuses
- It is difficult to fathom beating Katy in any scenario and there's a good chance by playing you'll sustain further player injuries

- Your primary goal is to make the playoffs this season, your second season in UIL

If you vote "Play anyway" it would be interesting to hear your reasoning.

So in the real world, what would have been done about the game if Hurricane Rita had not been a threat to the Houston area? The game would have been played reguardless of the reasons above. So why, the decision not to play? I guess that really is the appropriate question to ask. One to which noone will ever get the answer too. So can we let this whole thing go. I think it is time for Strake to move on and quit starting new threads and trying to get everyone to start believing all the excuses for the NO Game Vote. Good luck in the rest of the season.

[htownfootball]

The jesuits will finish the regular season without facing a team that has a winning record.

except for st pius x and FB marshall in the playoffs

strake played jersey village and won several years ago as with defending state champs at the time bay city at bay city. and for strake to be an all boys private school with 800 people and to beat 3A opponents such as jasper and waller back to back at both crusader stadium and away is impressive.

[rwilleby]

except for st pius x and FB marshall in the playoffs

strake played jersey village and won several years ago as with defending state champs at the time bay city at bay city. and for strake to be an all boys private school with 800 people and to beat 3A opponents such as jasper and waller back to back at both crusader stadium and away is impressive.
And how does this help you beat Elsik?

[Drake]

Another thing, and forgive me, I'm new at this... (but having fun)

WHY is there EVER a post from someone telling someone else to quit discussing something? It looks like to me there is a subject line and information on who posted last. That more or less informs me what the topic is and also who's posting. From this I can decide if its worth checking out. If not, I go on to something else. This particular POLL/THREAD's subject was pretty obvious. I take exception to those that demand the subject be dropped when they can simply ignore it. Also, I don't believe in personal attacks based on the offering of an opinion you're not in agreement with (I wish no one did this) as this is more or less an opinion board. And that's my opinion. ;)

[rwilleby]

Somebody help me!.... I think I'm being sucked back into this whirlpool....

[Drake]

And another thing (a little off topic)...

If we (Strake Jesuit) make the playoffs, we could sure use the support that Katy brings to other 19-5A teams when their team isn't playing. So, any chance the Katy gang could muster up a group to come cheer us on if we play on a different day than you do? You wear the red, we'll wear the green, it'll be a good way to start the Christmas season... ;)

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Strake Jesuit is the greatest football team of all time. End of story. We should all be so greatful the UIL let them join us. There are so many things we can learn from their greatness. How dare any of you out their question the integrity of their program, faculty, and staff. I personally have learned that it is the right thing to do if it serves my self interest regardless of the common good. And it is this principal that I will try to instill in my children. Hell, I'm even thinking of transfering my child over to their program to learn more of these self-serving principals.What a great tradition THANK YOU UIL

[Texas Bob]

And another thing (a little off topic)...

If we (Strake Jesuit) make the playoffs, we could sure use the support that Katy brings to other 19-5A teams when their team isn't playing. So, any chance the Katy gang could muster up a group to come cheer us on if play on a different day than you do? You wear the red, we'll wear the green, it'll be a good way to start the Christmas season... ;)

No

[Drake]

Strake Jesuit is the greatest football team of all time. End of story. We should all be so greatful the UIL let them join us. There are so many things we can learn from their greatness. How dare any of you out their question the integrity of their program, faculty, and staff. I personally have learned that it is the right thing to do if it serves my self interest regardless of the common good. And it is this principal that I will try to instill in my children. Hell, I'm even thinking of transfering my child over to their program to learn more of these self-serving principals.What a great tradition THANK YOU UIL

Dad, you're being facetious funny, right? You can't be THAT mad at us, can you?

[Drake]

No

LOL Bob, quit beating around the bush! :)

[rwilleby]

And another thing (a little off topic)...

If we (Strake Jesuit) make the playoffs, we could sure use the support that Katy brings to other 19-5A teams when their team isn't playing. So, any chance the Katy gang could muster up a group to come cheer us on if play on a different day than you do? You wear the red, we'll wear the green, it'll be a good way to start the Christmas season... ;)
Speaking only for myself, you bet... I'll go and yell my @ss off... Hope we're both in D2... Would like nothing better than to see you win just enough games to see a Katy/Strake playoff game...

I think it might even be better than the year we had to listen - all year long - how Humble was gonna stick it to Katy after we beat them in our pre-season overtime opener. They didn't do it...

Red and green might be a good way to start, but you've got to know we'll want it to end in RED...

Here kitty, kitty, KITTY!!!

Just messing with you... Ya, I'll go...

[Drake]

Just messing with you... Ya, I'll go...

GREAT! Who cares what your motivation is, we need the support! (As you might have noticed at the K. Taylor game)

[rwilleby]

Seriously... (and speaking only for myself)

Cutting through all of the crap we've been throwing around, what really seems unfair to me is that IF both Katy and SJ go 9-0 and they are both declared co-district champs our boys would be cheated out of something that they have earned and would be forced to share it with someone who did not...

The teams that voted no to the make up should not benefit from that vote and that's what could very well happen...

That's the reason I wanted SJ to lose... Nothing more, nothing less...

Would I support SJ in the playoffs... Yes I would, even if we go D1...

[SLC13]

Couldnt agree more, they whined and cried about getting to play in UIL, now they get to avoid Katy and saying they were co-champs, all while running from the game. Since the Jesuits cried about being in the UIL, now they get to run from the best, seems like the whiners are now coming into the UIL and getting their way. All the more reason why they should not have been allowed into the UIL.
They say its because they are the smallest school in the district and down to 30 players, well welcome to 5A football, now its time to go back where you belong.
Strake.....I think others (drgnbkr and farmerfan) have expressed the anger many have towards you guys better than I can, but here's my two cents. I don't know anything about your school or Dallas Jesuit either, but you both started with two strikes against ya in my book, because of the way you got into the UIL.

Voting to not play one of your games, regardless of the reason(s), gives the appearance of just another "special deal" favoring Strake. It would seem to me that if I was trying to gain some level of acceptance and respect from the members of an organization that I forced my way into that I would bend over backwards to not setup situations that looked like they favored my school.

Bottomline, you may have won the battle to get yourself a co-championship and playoff berth, but you lost a great deal in the war to gain acceptance and respect. :(

[Drake]

SLC13... I respect your point of view because yours is just as valid as anyone's, but... You are misinformed. If you are not, then why don't you explain to everyone the circumstances and reasons surrounding the controversy created when the Jesuits got into the UIL... I can do it for you in a nutshell...

The Jesuit schools petitioned the UIL for inclusion into UIL. The UIL wouldn't consider allowing The Jesuit schools in UIL because they feared the schools would recruit. The Jesuit schools felt it was an unjustified and legally questionable stance. When the Jesuits threatened the UIL with a lawsuit or state review of the UIL charter, the UIL backed down. Now I can only ASSUME that the UIL backed down because they didn't have a good leg to stand on, in other words, the original petition should have been strongly considered and probably approved.

To carry it a step further... In a retalitory action, the UIL put Strake in 5A when its numbers clearly called for 4A. Now I agree a lot of chickenchit things happened, but it looks to me like most of it was coming from the UIL.

Now how you leap from THAT to, or what ANY of that has to do with Hurricane Rita, the cancelled games, the split vote not to make them up in 19-5a, your foregone conclusion that Strake will be 9-0, or the price of tea in China, is beyond me...

[SLC13]

SLC13... I respect your point of view because yours is just as valid as anyone's, but... You are misinformed. If you are not, then why don't you explain to everyone the circumstances and reasons surrounding the controversy created when the Jesuits got into the UIL... I can do it for you in a nutshell...

The Jesuit schools petitioned the UIL for inclusion into UIL. The UIL wouldn't consider allowing The Jesuit schools in UIL because they feared the schools would recruit. The Jesuit schools felt it was an unjustified and legally questionable stance. When the Jesuits threatened the UIL with a lawsuit or state review of the UIL charter, the UIL backed down. Now I can only ASSUME that the UIL backed down because they didn't have a good leg to stand on, in other words, the original petition should have been strongly considered and probably approved.

To carry it a step further... In a retalitory action, the UIL put Strake in 5A when its numbers clearly called for 4A. Now I agree a lot of chickenchit things happened, but it looks to me like most of it was coming from the UIL.

Now how you leap from THAT to, or what ANY of that has to do with Hurricane Rita, the cancelled games, the split vote not to make them up in 19-5a, your foregone conclusion that Strake will be 9-0, or the price of tea in China, is beyond me...You are correct, my view of the events is quite different. As I saw it, the Jesuits for whatever reason got tired of playing their other private school buddies and petitioned the UIL for admission. They were refused because of the inherent differences between a public and a private HS, ie. a defined attendance zone vs. an unlimited attendance zone AND the fact that there was an already established competition structure for the private schools.

Having been refused admission, the Jesuits threaten a lawsuit with the heavy financial backing of several of your fatcat donors. The UIL, much to the chagrin of many of us did not choose to fight, and allowed the Jesuit's in. I'm not sure whether the merits of the case favored the Jesuit's or the UIL, but from everything that I've read it's pretty clear that the reason the UIL didn't fight was because they didn't have the financial resources to conduct a protracted legal fight.

As I see it, there was really no need for you to seek admission to the UIL; and then to threaten legal action if you didn't get your way was just selfishness of the highest order. So you got in, but in the process many people (me included) developed some pretty negative feelings about the Jesuit's based just on that episode.

Now fast forward to the poll question.....my point was that folks perceive you negatively before you do anything controversial. So when you voted not to play, you shouldn't have been surprised that people viewed it as self serving. I would have voted to play the game to have avoided that.

Lastly, as I said I know nothing about your team, the reference to a co-champsionship is strictly based on others opinions earlier in the thread. If my crystal ball was really that good I'd be in Vegas, not wasting time on a message board.

[farmerfan]

SLC13... I respect your point of view because yours is just as valid as anyone's, but... You are misinformed. If you are not, then why don't you explain to everyone the circumstances and reasons surrounding the controversy created when the Jesuits got into the UIL... I can do it for you in a nutshell...

The Jesuit schools petitioned the UIL for inclusion into UIL. The UIL wouldn't consider allowing The Jesuit schools in UIL because they feared the schools would recruit. The Jesuit schools felt it was an unjustified and legally questionable stance. When the Jesuits threatened the UIL with a lawsuit or state review of the UIL charter, the UIL backed down. Now I can only ASSUME that the UIL backed down because they didn't have a good leg to stand on, in other words, the original petition should have been strongly considered and probably approved.

To carry it a step further... In a retalitory action, the UIL put Strake in 5A when its numbers clearly called for 4A. Now I agree a lot of chickenchit things happened, but it looks to me like most of it was coming from the UIL.

Now how you leap from THAT to, or what ANY of that has to do with Hurricane Rita, the cancelled games, the split vote not to make them up in 19-5a, your foregone conclusion that Strake will be 9-0, or the price of tea in China, is beyond me...

ya'll felt the UIL ruling was unjustified, well I think the fact that you guys have the so called "admission" standards to get into your school in unjustified. Maybe some family who did not get into strake or dj should bring forth a lawsuit against the Jesuits saying it was unjustified.
The fact that you guys cried your way into the UIL was crap, esp when the kids have a right to play football at a UIL school but give that right up when they choose to attend Jesuit or Strake, now that ya'll get the chance to duck Katy further proves that all you guys are is a fraud and one that we never should have had to deal with.

[ktrain]

And another thing (a little off topic)...

If we (Strake Jesuit) make the playoffs, we could sure use the support that Katy brings to other 19-5A teams when their team isn't playing. So, any chance the Katy gang could muster up a group to come cheer us on if we play on a different day than you do? You wear the red, we'll wear the green, it'll be a good way to start the Christmas season... ;)

Nope, can't support cowards. Nothing against your players because I think they would have said play the game.

[ktfiend]

I don't think I could do it either, and wouldn't be interested in it anyway.

[Fleeman93]

I have given a lot of thought to what would resolve my differences with the jesuits being in UIL. I really don't give a flying rip about the 05 jesuit team. What I am worried about is the 2010 jesuit team being in the UIL. At some point recruiting will take place and it will take down UIL football as we know it. With all of that said I am of the opinion that since private schools already break a lot of the UIL rules then why not make a few rules specifically for them. How about a rule that states that any student that does not live in the schools set attendance zone must be held out of all UIL activities for a minimum of 4 calendar school years. If education is the most important thing to this student/family can go to a private school and get that education. If athletics is the most important thing then the student/family might want to think about not moving out of their current attendance zone. Just my two cents.

[ktCarl]

You are correct, my view of the events is quite different. As I saw it, the Jesuits for whatever reason got tired of playing their other private school buddies and petitioned the UIL for admission. They were refused because of the inherent differences between a public and a private HS, ie. a defined attendance zone vs. an unlimited attendance zone AND the fact that there was an already established competition structure for the private schools.

Having been refused admission, the Jesuits threaten a lawsuit with the heavy financial backing of several of your fatcat donors. The UIL, much to the chagrin of many of us did not choose to fight, and allowed the Jesuit's in. I'm not sure whether the merits of the case favored the Jesuit's or the UIL, but from everything that I've read it's pretty clear that the reason the UIL didn't fight was because they didn't have the financial resources to conduct a protracted legal fight.

As I see it, there was really no need for you to seek admission to the UIL; and then to threaten legal action if you didn't get your way was just selfishness of the highest order. So you got in, but in the process many people (me included) developed some pretty negative feelings about the Jesuit's based just on that episode.

Now fast forward to the poll question.....my point was that folks perceive you negatively before you do anything controversial. So when you voted not to play, you shouldn't have been surprised that people viewed it as self serving. I would have voted to play the game to have avoided that.

Lastly, as I said I know nothing about your team, the reference to a co-champsionship is strictly based on others opinions earlier in the thread. If my crystal ball was really that good I'd be in Vegas, not wasting time on a message board.

SLC13, we've tried explaining this to them but when you're self-serving your vision gets clouded. They don't get it so don't bother entertaining them with logic and common sense. They take it as 'Katy people hate Strake'. We don't. The school is a fine institution where a kid can get a good education. Many Katy parents have sent their kids there. Their team is comprised of 16-18 yr old kids like other teams and we would want the best for them and wish them good luck this season. They also have good coaching.
It's much better if you just stick with pure football talk like their supporter htownfootball fan has.

[KTTex]

(Quotes from StrakeDrake)

"Strake just this week moved into a tie for twentieth in the Chronicle area poll. Now, at 7-0, I think they should have been there sooner and should be higher. It doesn't really matter UNLESS they were ignored until this week because of a negative bias."

Tie for twentieth in poll BUT BUT over teams that had to play Katy Tigers!
It is UNFAIR to all of the teams that had to play Katy and it is UNFAIR
to the 19-5A teams that had to play Katy Tigers. You see, without playing Katy, your rating doesn't count for anything. And those 19-5a teams you are playing AFTER they play Katy gives you a slight edge don't you think?
You don't deserve to share a title with a team you did not play.

"If we (Strake Jesuit) make the playoffs, we could sure use the support that Katy brings to other 19-5A teams when their team isn't playing. So, any chance the Katy gang could muster up a group to come cheer us on if we play on a different day than you do? You wear the red, we'll wear the green, it'll be a good way to start the Christmas season... "

Katy Tiger fans support the schools that have played the Katy Tigers!
Those schools EARNED our support. If Strake had played Katy and then
went into the playoffs - I would have supported Strake against ANY team other than the Tigers. But you didn't therefore I won't.

Note to all Strake football players: I know that you would have played Katy Tigers if it were up to you. I know that the Strake Football team are not cowards. And it's a shame your school officials did not allow you to do that. It would have been your greatest asset going into the playoffs.

As a team I support you and wish you good luck in the playoffs.

[Drake]

You are correct, my view of the events is quite different. As I saw it, the Jesuits for whatever reason got tired of playing their other private school buddies and petitioned the UIL for admission. This shows you are not up to speed on the facts. Strake's league was disbanded and they were not asked to join the new league that was forming. They were refused because of the inherent differences between a public and a private HS, ie. a defined attendance zone vs. an unlimited attendance zone AND the fact that there was an already established competition structure for the private schools. Wrong again, they were refused without consideration because of fear of recruiting. The attendance zone thing is silly except as it is tied to recruiting. But the UIL could have negotiated a solution at the time of the petition instead of its backfiring flat our refusal to consider the case.

Having been refused admission, the Jesuits threaten a lawsuit with the heavy financial backing of several of your fatcat donors. The UIL, much to the chagrin of many of us did not choose to fight, and allowed the Jesuit's in. I'm not sure whether the merits of the case favored the Jesuit's or the UIL, but from everything that I've read it's pretty clear that the reason the UIL didn't fight was because they didn't have the financial resources to conduct a protracted legal fight. All supposition on your part.

As I see it, there was really no need for you to seek admission to the UIL; and then to threaten legal action if you didn't get your way was just selfishness of the highest order. So you got in, but in the process many people (me included) developed some pretty negative feelings about the Jesuit's based just on that episode. You're certainly entitled to your feelings, but you're again wrong because Strake DID need inclusion into the UIL. With the disbanding of their previous league, the jesuits were left with no league and nothing to play for. Heck, in 2001 SJ went 10-0 and then went to basketball. If you have an all boys school and no league to play in, no playoffs, no individual honors such as all-district, you're better kids aren't scouted, etc. then it can hurt the school. In other words, it detracts from the overall experience being offered at the school. What if a parent had a son that was a pretty good wrestler, with some potential for wrestling in college, but wanted the education Strake provides too? If Strake wasn't in any kind of league, that would be a negative about the school in those parents eyes. So joining UIL was important because it added to the overall value of the education provided, and when you're asking the tuition Strake gets, you give the best product you can.

Now fast forward to the poll question.....my point was that folks perceive you negatively before you do anything controversial. So when you voted not to play, you shouldn't have been surprised that people viewed it as self serving. I would have voted to play the game to have avoided that. That is certainly a legitimate position. Perhaps at this point they wish they had. But believe me when I say the officials had to consider several mitigating factors, and the consideration that Strake MIGHT go 9-0 was not one of them.

Lastly, as I said I know nothing about your team, the reference to a co-champsionship is strictly based on others opinions earlier in the thread. If my crystal ball was really that good I'd be in Vegas, not wasting time on a message board. Me too. :)

[fridayfan]

I have been attending h.s. games for many years, and have supported all schools that have made it into the play offs. It is not uncommon for me to take in several games each week. Yet, I do not think that I would be able to support Strake in a possible play off berth. It is a matter of respect. The teams that have faced each other on the field, deserve all the respect we can muster, win or lose. But to duck and run, and yet still "whlne" that you deserve to recieve the same respect given to teams that knew they were destined to lose even before they left the field house, yet made that walk on to the field and played with all they had, is absurd. Respect is earned, not demanded. To take pride in what could potentially be a tied district record, knowing that you were given the opportunity to play the game on the field, win or lose, and you voted NO based on what an admin. thought would give you an edge, makes the issue of support unthinkable. The teams that you will face, took that field each week, some weeks antisipating that the outcome might not be what they hoped it would be. But they still took the field. That takes guts, and builds character.The example set by Jesuits decision only teaches that if you look hard enough, there are ways to beat the system. My support will continue to go to teams that earned their spot in the brackets by work, not by leagaleze.

[Drake]

I have given a lot of thought to what would resolve my differences with the jesuits being in UIL. I really don't give a flying rip about the 05 jesuit team. What I am worried about is the 2010 jesuit team being in the UIL. At some point recruiting will take place and it will take down UIL football as we know it. With all of that said I am of the opinion that since private schools already break a lot of the UIL rules then why not make a few rules specifically for them. How about a rule that states that any student that does not live in the schools set attendance zone must be held out of all UIL activities for a minimum of 4 calendar school years. If education is the most important thing to this student/family can go to a private school and get that education. If athletics is the most important thing then the student/family might want to think about not moving out of their current attendance zone. Just my two cents.

Fleeman, appreciate it (your thoughts).

Private schools can't have attendance zones, period. Even if it were self imposed, they couldn't survive. It would also be pointless for athletic purposes. For instance, if Strake had an "athletic purposes" attendence zone, you might have 30 kids in the whole school eligible for sports.

As far as recruiting or manipulating attendance zones, no intellectually honest person on this board can say they don't know of a case where someone moved in or out of their district for athletic purposes. Furthermore, most probably know of cases where kids put down addresses that weren't a true address. While kids can come from anywhere to attend Strake, how do they get around the tuition issue? Strake only has ROOM for about 850 kids. I guarantee they are not EVER going to pass out athletic "scholarships" that will prevent paying kids from attending.

Part of the problem here is Strake is being convicted of all kinds of things before they've even happened. I mean, you said it yourself, you're mad at Strake for what they MIGHT do in 2010. Huh?

[rwilleby]

Man, I thought I was a hard @ss...

We can't change what the UIL has delt 19 5A...
Only the SJ folks like it and everyone else thinks it stinks...
It was SJ's admin and not the players that voted no...

So let me ask you this...

If SJ did play Katy and they finished the season 9-1 to Katy's 10-0, would any of you pull for them in the playoffs? Or is the UIL thing the deal killer?

[Drake]

SLC13, we've tried explaining this to them but when you're self-serving your vision gets clouded. They don't get it so don't bother entertaining them with logic and common sense. They take it as 'Katy people hate Strake'. We don't. The school is a fine institution where a kid can get a good education. Many Katy parents have sent their kids there. Their team is comprised of 16-18 yr old kids like other teams and we would want the best for them and wish them good luck this season. They also have good coaching.
It's much better if you just stick with pure football talk like their supporter htownfootball fan has.

Carl, Its not that I and (a few) others don't comprehend your position, I just disagree with it in some ways. You're not necessarily all wrong, and I'm not either. I appreciate the compliments about the school and I'm grateful that you and others have expressed its nothing against the kids (my primary motivation for debating the merits as I have a son there). But, I do take exception when you try and suggest what I should or should not be talking about. It was quite clear from the subject line what thread dealt with, and besides decent participation in the poll, there have been some well written, thought provoking posts. I know I've learned a lot. I certainly think you and htown should talk about what ever you like to talk about. I just don't want you telling me what I can and cannot discuss. Cool?

[Drake]

Man, I thought I was a hard @ss...

We can't change what the UIL has delt 19 5A...
Only the SJ folks like it and everyone else thinks it stinks...
It was SJ's admin and not the players that voted no...

So let me ask you this...

If SJ did play Katy and they finished the season 9-1 to Katy's 10-0, would any of you pull for them in the playoffs? Or is the UIL thing the deal killer?

Can only speak for myself. I attended Katy-Woodlands and sat on the Katy side. Didn't where red (it clashes with my hair) but couldn't help but admire everything about the team and their fans. I think I'd support 19-5a teams ahead of anyone else unless 2 of them met. As for other Strake fans... I think the red clad anti-Strake gang at our games probably sits wrong with them, but I doubt the bridges are completely destroyed. The thing is, there is so much to admire about both schools that you actually have to work at disliking them and people hate work. Maybe it'll all go by the boards after Katy wins it all...

[ktCarl]

O.K.

How 'bout we just agree to disagree and take it at that and I promise I won't comment on this anymore.

It's alright to express your opinion. I'm just amazed that no one can see that discussing this subject is an 'exercise in futility' (Cool Hand Luke).

Let's just get on with the rest of the season and talk some more football, folks. :cool:

[hornfan713]

It's alright to express your opinion. I'm just amazed that no one can see that discussing this subject is an 'exercise in futility' (Cool Hand Luke).




Thank God someone finally said that.

[Drake]

O.K.

How 'bout we just agree to disagree and take it at that and I promise I won't comment on this anymore.

It's alright to express your opinion. I'm just amazed that no one can see that discussing this subject is an 'exercise in futility' (Cool Hand Luke).

Let's just get on with the rest of the season and talk some more football, folks. :cool:


(BUZZER SOUND) Wrong again Carl! While certainly there are many close-minded individuals around whose minds are unchangeable, this thread has had 60+ votes, 60+ posts, and almost 1000 views... It served my purpose for it by getting BOTH SIDES of the issue out there. Out of that thousand views perhaps there are a few people out there that changed their mind, or reconsidered the facts, maybe learned something about it they didn't know, or just got confirmation of their viewpoint. Regardless, its been an effective and enlightening thread.

Again, if you, hornfan, or anyone else is tired of it or not interested, Just IGNORE the thread...

[Texas Bob]

Strake's league was disbanded and they were not asked to join the new league that was forming.


Why was Strake refused admission to the new league?

[Tut]

Just a few thoughts and comments...no malice intended

The games should have been played out of fairness to all. An equal schedule is the only way to accomplish that.

Playing the strongest teams helps better prepare for the playoffs. Both Katy and Strake (at this point) were denied that opportunity.

Alief ISD is equally to blame.

"Strake DID need inclusion into the UIL. With the disbanding of their previous league, the jesuits were left with no league and nothing to play for."
Key word "play" - Respect and recognition are earned by playing the best, not avoiding them. A game was not "played" for a potential championship.

"Strake's league was disbanded and they were not asked to join the new league that was forming."
Why not try to force you're way into TAPPS instead of UIL?

"The attendance zone thing is silly except as it is tied to recruiting. But the UIL could have negotiated a solution at the time of the petition instead of its backfiring flat our refusal to consider the case."
It's not silly. If everyone else needs to move into the school district they want, why not those wanting to attend Strake? We moved to Katy many moons ago for that reason. If those who participate in UIL activities needed to be in Strake's zone, I wouldn't have a problem with their participation. As it is, there is an unequal playing field.

Again, no offense intended (except those who made the decision to not play)

[ruffshod]

All the other districts in the region made up their games, so it's a no-brainer, they should've played. the only exception was 22-5a, and that was because the beaumont and port arthur schools were shut down for a couple weeks.

[Drake]

Tut,

You make some good points... And while you views about attendance zones seems logical, they are not practical or realistic. Students come from all over the Greater Houston area to attend Strake. Some come from Katy, Kingwood, Memorial, etc. Some come from poorer areas and have parents that work 2nd jobs to pay the tuition. Financial aid is available on a per need basis. Regardless, most have roots in the area they come from including their jobs, businesses, whatever. Very few would completely uproot their lives just to attend the school. They'd probably either forget about UIL participation for their student or forget about attending Strake. In practicality, an attendance zone wouldn't be fair to Strake.

Its my personal opinion that the limited size of the school and its need for tuitions, not to mention the tuition structure itself, will keep Strake from ever recruiting, even if they wanted to.

[Drake]

Why was Strake refused admission to the new league?

Don't know for sure Bob. The accepted theory is that the Jesuit schools were too large.

[Texas Bob]

Don't know for sure Bob. The accepted theory is that the Jesuit schools were too large.

This afternoon I went to the Chronical archive and search the whole story about the UIL and private schools. It was messy and a lot of threats and BS. You should go take a look. I just wanted to know the facts, even if it was Houston Chronical facts. I can tell with out going off on a tangent that it was not a proud moment for private schools, political blackmail and the Hoe house we call the state legislature.

From what I can tell it was the size that kept you out of the league.

The best advice I can give is keep it on the field and off this board. I know I will never post on another Strake Jesuit topic unless it is related to a game.

[SmilinTiger]

(BUZZER SOUND) Wrong again Carl! While certainly there are many close-minded individuals around whose minds are unchangeable, this thread has had 60+ votes, 60+ posts, and almost 1000 views... It served my purpose for it by getting BOTH SIDES of the issue out there. Out of that thousand views perhaps there are a few people out there that changed their mind, or reconsidered the facts, maybe learned something about it they didn't know, or just got confirmation of their viewpoint. Regardless, its been an effective and enlightening thread.

Again, if you, hornfan, or anyone else is tired of it or not interested, Just IGNORE the thread...


I know I will.

[footballer]

In the katy times there was an article saying that KISD voted to not make up the school days missed due to Hurricane Rita. I read that and was wondering why it is so important to make up a football game, but making up school isn't important. I believe that is sending a terrible message to the students saying that school is not important so we don't have to make up the days. I can't believe people are so angry/upset that week 1 in 19-5A won't be made up but they could care less that school is not going to be made up. Since when is football more important than school? If you respond that it isn't, why did KISD vote to not make up the days of school that were missed? Just an observation...what do you think?

[Fleeman93]

So in your opinion it isn't fair for the jesuits to have an attendance zone? Well in my opinion it isn't fair for the 240+ 5A schools that you don't have an attendance zone. We already know how the jesuits handle what is fair and what isn't fair.

[Fleeman93]

In the katy times there was an article saying that KISD voted to not make up the school days missed due to Hurricane Rita. I read that and was wondering why it is so important to make up a football game, but making up school isn't important. I believe that is sending a terrible message to the students saying that school is not important so we don't have to make up the days. I can't believe people are so angry/upset that week 1 in 19-5A won't be made up but they could care less that school is not going to be made up. Since when is football more important than school? If you respond that it isn't, why did KISD vote to not make up the days of school that were missed? Just an observation...what do you think?


I would guess that it was decided that one day out of a school semester could be made up. 1 / 10th of a football season on the other hand is tough.

[Drake]

In the katy times there was an article saying that KISD voted to not make up the school days missed due to Hurricane Rita. I read that and was wondering why it is so important to make up a football game, but making up school isn't important. I believe that is sending a terrible message to the students saying that school is not important so we don't have to make up the days. I can't believe people are so angry/upset that week 1 in 19-5A won't be made up but they could care less that school is not going to be made up. Since when is football more important than school? If you respond that it isn't, why did KISD vote to not make up the days of school that were missed? Just an observation...what do you think?

Perhaps KISD had to consider a whole host of factors and after weighing them, decided not making up the days were what was best for their program...

[TigerV1]

In the katy times there was an article saying that KISD voted to not make up the school days missed due to Hurricane Rita. I read that and was wondering why it is so important to make up a football game, but making up school isn't important. I believe that is sending a terrible message to the students saying that school is not important so we don't have to make up the days. I can't believe people are so angry/upset that week 1 in 19-5A won't be made up but they could care less that school is not going to be made up. Since when is football more important than school? If you respond that it isn't, why did KISD vote to not make up the days of school that were missed? Just an observation...what do you think?


The State excused those days from having to be made up. The reason it was important enough to make the paper was because KISD was actually wanting to make up those days regardless, but then decided against it. Don't read too much into them voting down to make up the days. Most districts didn't make up the days either. Don't just pick on KISD now.

[Drake]

The State excused those days from having to be made up. Most districts didn't make up the days either. Don't just pick on KISD now.

Seems like you're asking for a double standard since 4 teams voted not to make up the games but you only seem to pick on Strake. At least you responded to Footballer's post Tiger, the other 6000 Katy fans on this board got conspicuously quiet... :)

[Spartan1]

I'm new.
Who exactly were the voters? There were 4 schools voting? Seems like it should have been an odd number.

[ktfiend]

The votes came from the 8 schools in our district.

Just curious, did SJ make up the missed academic days?

[TigerV1]

Seems like you're asking for a double standard since 4 teams voted not to make up the games but you only seem to pick on Strake. At least you responded to Footballer's post Tiger, the other 6000 Katy fans on this board got conspicuously quiet... :)

Strake gets the brunt of our frustration because we get to play the other dissenting teams. I guarantee the other teams in the district would rather be in Strakes position (not having to play Katy, but just getting the brunt of their frustration) than having to play them.

[TigerV1]

The votes came from the 8 schools in our district.

Just curious, did SJ make up the missed academic days?

I too would like to know the answer to this question......

[Drake]

I have no idea what Strake's plan is on the missed school days... I'm not sure that's a relevent point anyway...

What I took from Footballer's post was that it seems as though for several weeks now many Katy supporters have criticized Strake for not understanding the importance of making up a football game and that Strake students are being taught a horrible life lesson by avoiding something important when given the opportunity to avoid it.

Now, either Katy's board sent the same message to its students, since they were presented a plan and given an opportunity to make up the school days, or they sent the message that school is just not that important. At least not as important as football... No?

[ktfiend]

Academics can be adjusted to give the kids the same level of education even if they miss a couple of days. But a football game that will never be played is completely different especially when it will determine the outcome of a season. I don't see that any of the seniors (or other students) will be any smarter/dumber than the preceeding graduates that attended a full year. There are always a few "blow off" days in school; this just means there will be less of them. I just can't see how the two compare.

It seems as though I recall reading a recent article saying that KISD hasn't actually made the final decision and that it was possible that classes will be made up in the Spring. Did this change? I have been quite busy and haven't really kept up.

[ktfiend]

Ok, now I see that on Oct 11th they excused the days without haveing to make them up.

[Drake]

I'm not sure how this three-team format works, but...

Being realistic, I think Katy wins out the rest of the regular season and Strake goes 1-1. If that happens, won't the missed games be irrelevant? I don't know, I'm asking?

[TigerV1]

I have no idea what Strake's plan is on the missed school days... I'm not sure that's a relevent point anyway...

What I took from Footballer's post was that it seems as though for several weeks now many Katy supporters have criticized Strake for not understanding the importance of making up a football game and that Strake students are being taught a horrible life lesson by avoiding something important when given the opportunity to avoid it.

Now, either Katy's board sent the same message to its students, since they were presented a plan and given an opportunity to make up the school days, or they sent the message that school is just not that important. At least not as important as football... No?

Nope, wrong wrong wrong. This is a non-issue. The STATE OF TEXAS excused the missed days. To bring this up is just fishing. Considering that most if not all area schools did not make up the days, we are all in the same boat.

If these days had been lets say during final exams, you can bet your booty that they would have been made up. Considering that these days were in the middle of the semester and had no importance on the outcome of the semester, the KISD school board voted to just let it go.

Not a football issue and frankly not an issue at all. Let it go.

[ktfiend]

For the Championship, yes, for the second and third spots, no.

The Championship would be undisputed, but in this senario, Strake is still one notch above the schools fighting it out in the third spot, and they all have one more L than Strake from playing us. In the event that the game was played, and Strake lost, they would most likely be fighting out the last two spots with the other teams. And the chance would exist that Strake would not make the playoffs. It's just not an even playing field.

[Drake]

Fiend,

I don't understand. In my scenario, and I'm not looking at the standings, Strake finishes ahead of everyone else even if you assume an L to Katy. No?

[Fleeman93]

Depends on what happens these last two games. If the jesuits win tonight then you would be correct if they lose tonight and next week then it would have been a whole new ballgame.

[Drake]

Exactly. That was my scenario. Strake goes 1-1, Katy wins out. Vote results and missed games debate is moot. Right?

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Not if Strake loses the next 2 and Hastings wins the next 2. Cinco could go 2 and 1 or maybe 2 and 0. K-taylor still not out. This weekend or really tonight could clear up a lot. Wish I could be at all 3 games!! Crunch time for 195a.

[ktfiend]

I may have mis-read your post. I'll go back and look again when I get back from the school.

[Drake]

Right Dad,

If Strake and Katy win tonight, the only "issue" left about the missed games is the co-championship thing.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

IF-----Strake Drake


Teams are playing for a lot more than just the game tonight. Thats what makes it such a great football night tonight. Believe Elsik, K-Taylor, Hastings, and Cinco will be bringing their best tonight. Wish I could see all the games. But thank God for this web site.

[shooter]

except for st pius x and FB marshall in the playoffs

strake played jersey village and won several years ago as with defending state champs at the time bay city at bay city. and for strake to be an all boys private school with 800 people and to beat 3A opponents such as jasper and waller back to back at both crusader stadium and away is impressive.

Guess I should come around here more often, you guys are out of control over this. I started reading this tread and had to skip to the end so i could keep my sanity and my Job.

htownfootball I quoted the statement above because something strikes me as odd. (Odd enough to post on this board again). What does 800 people (or Kids is what I think you meant to say) have to do with Strake and Football?

I am an outsider looking in just asking the question and anyone can answer if they would like to.

[Fleeman93]

I think the justification is that 800 all boys school doubled would put them at 1600 and at a 4A level. Just another UIL rule they are given leeway on though.

[The Lone Ranger]

I believe Strake's enrollment this year is 869 pre-Katrina. They took in about 400 students from Jesuit High School of New Orleans. I'm not sure how many of them are there now.

SJ's UIL enrollment would be 1738, making them a large 4A, before the storm. If you add the new students it's somewhere around 2500.

[shooter]

I don't agree with the simple math of X2. How many kids (boys) apply and don't get in? 100, 200, 500? I don't know but I'm sure with a cap there are some that are turned away at the door for one reason or another. If so I think you have to add those kids in as well to your number.

For example High School Public has an attendance of 2000 kids. They can't turn anyone away from the public school system. The state has to take kids that are smart, and kids that are not so smart. They have to take kids with athletic skills and with out athletic skills. They don't have a choice, they have to give every kid the opportunity to succeed or fail. High School Private is different they might have 1000 boys apply, but only have room for 800 so they turn away the ones they don't want or don't need or don't measure up to the standards set forth by the school. Sure you only have 800 boys to pick your football players from but the school itself turned away another 200. So this would make your number 1000 boys x2 for the girls you have 2000 student population.

Let's take it a step further lets say there are another 100 kids out there that want to go to High School Private, their parents want them to go to High School Private, their parents have the money to go to High School private but because the kids don't look like the other kids, or talk like the other kids they are not even allowed to try and qualify for acceptance to the school. These kids would not be turned away by the public school system, they would and are welcomed. These kids may not play sports at the Varsity Level (but would be given the opportunity to) but they are counted in that magical number that the UIL uses to align our lives and the lives of our kids.

So now we could say there are 1100 boys that should be counted towards attending High School Private, want to attend High School private, or are not allowed in the front door of High School Private. X2 for the girls and we are at 2200. That’s not a bad size school for 5A. Plus you have a stock pile of boys (800) that are good upstanding citizens, they are smart well rounded and probably for the most part stay out of trouble, sure they don't all want to play football. But neither do the 2000 at High School Public either.

High School Private Coach also knows that he wont have to worry about the “Bad Element” coming out for football. High School Private knows that all of the kids that come out for his program are going to be intelligent well rounded boys because that is the standard that is set up by the school itself. High School Public Coach has to weed out the cancers in the locker room, High School Public Coach has to put up with trying to teach kids complicated coverage schemes when they kid can’t read or write.

Here in San Antonio we have a 5A school by the name of Jefferson. I’m sure every large city has one or two. But I’m sure the coaches at Jefferson would not give you any sympathy as they have to comb the halls to try and find kids interested in playing any sport a the 5A level, and I’m sure that school does not have 800 boys with character and conviction like the kids at High School Private.

This argument about Strake being small and in the wrong classification is week at best and full of holes. Strake is where they and the State of Texas say they should be at the UIL 5A classification. So please stop using this pity spin on how everyone should feel good for you and the 800 kids over at Strake having to play at the 5A level. When you play 3A schools you make it seem like everyone should rejoice that you beat up on a school that (in theory) is half your size. You only have 800 boys because that’s what you choose to let into your campus. Have open admissions like a Public High School then come crying if you feel you should play at another level, otherwise enjoy your stay her in the 5A Texas Football it may last a lifetime it may not.

[Drake]

Shooter -

Your theory was well written and plausible. However, if its valid, how do you explain Strake Jesuit, who's numbers are close to the example you use (850 boys) but they have less than 40 TOTAL on their varsity and had to combine their JV and Sophomore teams.

[Drake]

I think the justification is that 800 all boys school doubled would put them at 1600 and at a 4A level. Just another UIL rule they are given leeway on though.

Fleeman, apparently you've trained yourself to assume the worst about SJ without knowing the facts. SJ wanted to be classified in 4A or wherever its numbers put it. It was the UIL that insisted on 5A.

I'll bet you think SJ sued for inclusion into UIL too...

[dragonfootballfan]

Shooter -

Your theory was well written and plausible. However, if its valid, how do you explain Strake Jesuit, who's numbers are close to the example you use (850 boys) but they have less than 40 TOTAL on their varsity and had to combine their JV and Sophomore teams.
Participation in high school sports is not the factor that defines where you are classified, but total student population is

[Fleeman93]

Bunch of smart nerds (for lack of a better word).

[Drake]

Participation in high school sports is not the factor that defines where you are classified, but total student population is

If I read his post right, he said if a private school has 850 boys, then the UIL should look at it as 2200 total because private schools get better students that participate more... I was just giving him an example that wasn't working out as he claimed.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Shooter,

That was a massive post and well written. Good points made that I never thought of. I can't wait to see how the 195a post season seeds fair in the playoffs.

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman, apparently you've trained yourself to assume the worst about SJ without knowing the facts. SJ wanted to be classified in 4A or wherever its numbers put it. It was the UIL that insisted on 5A.

I'll bet you think SJ sued for inclusion into UIL too...

I know that the jesuits are in a league that they don't belong in, don't deserve to be in, and that they are not wanted in. The jesuits are not a good football team plain and simple. Not this year or last year. They are not good now but someday they MIGHT get good and when that day comes talent might start "finding" its way to the jesuit campus. When that happens (notice I didn't say if) UIL football will start to go downhill. I'm telling you right now that if things remain as they are then the jesuits will ruin Texas HS football as we know it. I can't stand the thought of what you people might do to HS football and therefor I can't stand you people. Any questions?

[ktCarl]

I know that the jesuits are in a league that they don't belong in, don't deserve to be in, and that they are not wanted in. The jesuits are not a good football team plain and simple. Not this year or last year. They are not good now but someday they MIGHT get good and when that day comes talent might start "finding" its way to the jesuit campus. When that happens (notice I didn't say if) UIL football will start to go downhill. I'm telling you right now that if things remain as they are then the jesuits will ruin Texas HS football as we know it. I can't stand the thought of what you people might do to HS football and therefor I can't stand you people. Any questions?

....and a strong letter will follow. :D

[ktCarl]

I know that the jesuits are in a league that they don't belong in, don't deserve to be in, and that they are not wanted in. The jesuits are not a good football team plain and simple. Not this year or last year. They are not good now but someday they MIGHT get good and when that day comes talent might start "finding" its way to the jesuit campus. When that happens (notice I didn't say if) UIL football will start to go downhill. I'm telling you right now that if things remain as they are then the jesuits will ruin Texas HS football as we know it. I can't stand the thought of what you people might do to HS football and therefor I can't stand you people. Any questions?

Hey, fleeman, come to our tailgate and grab yourself a burger and chat and relax before the game.

[Fleeman93]

Thanks for the offer Carl, but a buddy and I have a tradition of having a few adult beverages at Chili's before Friday night games. I do want to make it to a tailgate at some point though.

[shooter]

Shooter -

Your theory was well written and plausible. However, if its valid, how do you explain Strake Jesuit, who's numbers are close to the example you use (850 boys) but they have less than 40 TOTAL on their varsity and had to combine their JV and Sophomore teams.

How do you justify the relevance between total number of students to the total number of participants when you are the one turning them away at the front door. Don't turn away the future star QB then cry because you have kids playing both ways. It is your own system that is the root of your problem not the relevance of the numbers. I know I know "We don’t recruit Athletes!" "We don't ask kids if they are interested in being a linebacker or not at the entrance process!" If having 65 on your Varsity football team is important and having two JV squads and a couple of Freshman Teams than maybe you should. In a perfect world sure every school would turn in a number to the UIL in early August. Not the number of students in the school but the number of kids coming out for Football. Then we could have a 65+ classification, a 50+ class, a 40+ class and so on. The problem is that's not they system you wanted to get into when you asked (note I said "Asked") to be included in the UIL system. You knew the system was not set up for how many kids are suiting up, you also (like everyone else) have to abide by the rules set for by the UIL. Your not like the public schools so they have to come up with a formula and I think it’s more than “Plausible” Your justification is that you had to combine your JV and Soph teams in a system that does not care if you have a JV or Soph team at all.

Lets go back to one of my favorite topics "Jefferson". Again Jeff is 5A. Jeff gets to play teams like Clemens, San Marcos and East Central every year. Two weeks ago when I got the opportunity to see them play Southwest they had 28 kids suit up, and they have not had a Soph. team in years. Does that mean Jeff should start playing Medina Valley, or Boerne? No! Because they accept the fact they are who they are and they go out and participate at the 5A level. Do they win? No. Hell they don't even score! But the coaches and fans are not tossing out numbers making a poor case for dropping in class. Does Jeff have 800 boys scoring over 1100 on the SAT? I bet not. Does Jeff have over half the kids with part-time jobs so they can help their families’ make ends meet, sacrificing extra curricular activities? You bet ya! Now I'm not saying Private school kids don't have part time jobs, but they are given more opportunities to be successful at school and in extra curricular activities.

Try this one: I don't know anything about Strake J. but maybe you have less than 40 on your Varsity Team and are having to combine Soph. and JV levels because it's a poor program and the kids see that, and just don't want to be a part of it. Around here when we see 5A schools that are in your situation that what we think of. Maybe a taste of the UIL 5A playoffs will change that for you maybe not. But the fact still remands unlike a public school you have no one to blame but yourself for not having 65 kids standing on the sidelines. YOU are turning them away not the UIL!

[shooter]

If I read his post right, he said if a private school has 850 boys, then the UIL should look at it as 2200 total because private schools get better students that participate more... I was just giving him an example that wasn't working out as he claimed.

Again Student Population is what the UIL basis it's number on not Student participation. They are two totally different things and the UIL does not care about Participation only Population. Understanding the system is the first thing any Private School should know before "Asking" to be governed by the UIL. Ignorance is not an excuse.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Shooter why don't you come down here and run for Tom Delay's office. You got my vote.

[Drake]

Try this one: I don't know anything about Strake J. but maybe you have less than 40 on your Varsity Team and are having to combine Soph. and JV levels because it's a poor program and the kids see that, and just don't want to be a part of it. Around here when we see 5A schools that are in your situation that what we think of. Maybe a taste of the UIL 5A playoffs will change that for you maybe not. But the fact still remands unlike a public school you have no one to blame but yourself for not having 65 kids standing on the sidelines. YOU are turning them away not the UIL!

Well, I could explain the situation if you were interested. SJ only has facilities and faculty for about 850 kids. In order to except 400 more students from Louisisana, the Louisiana kids had to attend at night and on the weekends. The 9th grade class is primarily fed from other private jr schools around Houston that don't play football at all. Kids usually try football and our freshman squads are usually full, but once they realize they'll be having 2-3 hours of homework per night, borderline players usually decide they only have time for their best sport/extra-curricular and if football's not it, they don't play. I don't think it has anything to do with a poor program, its just the way it is.

Besides, though I really believe we belong in 4A, I don't think anyone has complained much about where we are.

[Drake]

Again Student Population is what the UIL basis it's number on not Student participation. They are two totally different things and the UIL does not care about Participation only Population. Understanding the system is the first thing any Private School should know before "Asking" to be governed by the UIL. Ignorance is not an excuse.

WHAT!!!! Boy, have you SPUN this around. You pull some calculus equation out of thin air to figure the population of single gender private schools based on your suppositions on the kind of kids private's get and then you accuse ME of not understanding the process? :eek:

[shooter]

Well, I could explain the situation if you were interested. SJ only has facilities and faculty for about 850 kids. In order to except 400 more students from Louisisana, the Louisiana kids had to attend at night and on the weekends. The 9th grade class is primarily fed from other private jr schools around Houston that don't play football at all. Kids usually try football and our freshman squads are usually full, but once they realize they'll be having 2-3 hours of homework per night, borderline players usually decide they only have time for their best sport/extra-curricular and if football's not it, they don't play. I don't think it has anything to do with a poor program, its just the way it is.

Besides, though I really believe we belong in 4A, I don't think anyone has complained much about where we are.

I would not have posted if I was not interested in the situation, but lets call a spade a spade you took in 400 students from Louisiana, and that was a great act of patriotism. What your school did was heroic and I'm sure the students you took in are grateful for the opportunity to still learn and continue their education under the horrific situation they were in, but how many were from McDonogh # 35 Senior High School or Warren Easton High School or Joseph S Clark Sr High School or Maybe all of those kids came from “4133 Bank St” (you should know that address). To be honest I don't know I'm only asking because I think I might know the answer but maybe I’m wrong.

As for kids dropping out of your program do to other activities sounds like the program is not selling itself. And is no different than any school public or private. I have only heard of a handful of cases where public schools had to turn away kids from playing football and that was back in the 80s. If you think the grass is greener on the other side your wrong. Public schools struggle to get kids in the system and the system has to sell itself. Being able to Say "We are in the UIL!" is not enough, the coaches have to sell it or you will have 35 kids suiting up on Friday. Also When you kids start playing is not relevant the system has to sell itself there are to many other things for kids to do in today’s world that if the Football program is not fun and exciting and challenging then the kids will go elsewhere. And my kid has 2-3 hours of home work a night and is in elementary school. Again the Participation is an internal problem. You have plenty of kids, at this level. Go ask any 4A coach if he has 800 Boys with great character in his school, I think you might be surprised how well you have it.

[shooter]

WHAT!!!! Boy, have you SPUN this around. You pull some calculus equation out of thin air to figure the population of single gender private schools based on your suppositions on the kind of kids private's get and then you accuse ME of not understanding the process? :eek:

So what kind of Kids does Strake J "GET"? Do they "GET" my kid? Do they “GET” the kid across the street from me who’s dad is a drunk and his mom works two jobs to put food on the table every night?

I did not accuse you of anything. If you read my post I was very careful not to insert your name or Strake J's name I said and I’ll quote it for you

"Understanding the system is the first thing any Private School should know before "Asking" to be governed by the UIL. Ignorance is not an excuse."

You’re so Vain you can’t see that I was not talking about you, but making a general statement about all private schools. That is not accusing you of anything. Do you think you are the last private School that will play sports under the UIL governance? Do you think that by "Asking" to be governed by the UIL you and your brothers in Dallas would be they chosen ones and all of the others would not someday follow? You are already “IN” but you are not the last. Hopefully others that come after you will learn from your mistakes, and mistakes have been made on both sides and will be made in the future as this is new to everyone. But one thing is certain you are "IN" and you "ARE" 5A you can either enjoy it and relish the opportunity or you can sit on the sidelines and make statements like "I really believe we belong in 4A." This is 5A Texas Football, and there are schools in Corpus right now that can prove they should be 4A but "WANT" to be 5A and "WANT" to play at this level. Those Corpus schools don't want to be 4A even though their numbers say they are. Those schools have more courage than you will ever have, because they want to play with the biggest and the best, and they “DON’T” measure up. And they have every right to look down on you as you sit on the sidelines and complain about how things have gone when you "Asked" to be admitted. No one sent you an invitation to the party; you showed up at the door and "asked" if you could come in. Now your here you can enjoy the atmosphere or you can act like it’s still not good enough for you. This is your moment it may not last for ever.

[Drake]

Okay, my bad... I mistook what you said previously... I thought you said something to the effect that schools are classified by student population and that anyone that wants to participate in UIL should learn it and live with it...

But the way I read your last post, apparently they are classified by their courage? Am I reading that right?

[TIGER07]

In the katy times there was an article saying that KISD voted to not make up the school days missed due to Hurricane Rita. I read that and was wondering why it is so important to make up a football game, but making up school isn't important. I believe that is sending a terrible message to the students saying that school is not important so we don't have to make up the days. I can't believe people are so angry/upset that week 1 in 19-5A won't be made up but they could care less that school is not going to be made up. Since when is football more important than school? If you respond that it isn't, why did KISD vote to not make up the days of school that were missed? Just an observation...what do you think?


KISD has 2 calendar days every year for bad weather days. We used both those days with the Hurricane. The other 2 were voted on not to make up, because they thought it was better for our kids and their families to make it home safely from being evacuated. Ok next question to try and make us look bad?

[The Lone Ranger]

I would not have posted if I was not interested in the situation, but lets call a spade a spade you took in 400 students from Louisiana, and that was a great act of patriotism. What your school did was heroic and I'm sure the students you took in are grateful for the opportunity to still learn and continue their education under the horrific situation they were in, but how many were from McDonogh # 35 Senior High School or Warren Easton High School or Joseph S Clark Sr High School or Maybe all of those kids came from “4133 Bank St” (you should know that address). To be honest I don't know I'm only asking because I think I might know the answer but maybe I’m wrong.

Yes. Strake took in 400 students from their sister school, JHS NOLA. This is because the Jesuit schools are obligated to be Men for Others and take in our New Orleans brothers (I attend Dallas Jesuit). They didn't take McDonogh or Easton or Clark kids because there are plenty of quality public schools for them to go to. They didn't take Holy Cross or Brother Martin or De La Salle or Redeemer Seton kids because there are plenty of other quality Catholic schools for them to go to.

Jesuit schools (well, at least Dallas Jesuit) have a policy of not accepting transfers from non-Jesuit run schools past 10th grade. This is because of the commitment to the complete Ignatian high school experience. Kids don't need to get a little bit of it and then leave.

Also, Strake's campus is only 44 acres. Dallas Jesuit's is only 27. They really can't take many more students. Strake increased their student load by 1/3; Dallas Jesuit took the 80 or so who came here into our student body of 1020. Strake moved to shifts to accomodate NOLA students. What more can the Jesuit schools do?

[The Lone Ranger]

So what kind of Kids does Strake J "GET"? Do they "GET" my kid? Do they “GET” the kid across the street from me who’s dad is a drunk and his mom works two jobs to put food on the table every night?

I did not accuse you of anything. If you read my post I was very careful not to insert your name or Strake J's name I said and I’ll quote it for you

"Understanding the system is the first thing any Private School should know before "Asking" to be governed by the UIL. Ignorance is not an excuse."

You’re so Vain you can’t see that I was not talking about you, but making a general statement about all private schools. That is not accusing you of anything. Do you think you are the last private School that will play sports under the UIL governance? Do you think that by "Asking" to be governed by the UIL you and your brothers in Dallas would be they chosen ones and all of the others would not someday follow? You are already “IN” but you are not the last. Hopefully others that come after you will learn from your mistakes, and mistakes have been made on both sides and will be made in the future as this is new to everyone. But one thing is certain you are "IN" and you "ARE" 5A you can either enjoy it and relish the opportunity or you can sit on the sidelines and make statements like "I really believe we belong in 4A." This is 5A Texas Football, and there are schools in Corpus right now that can prove they should be 4A but "WANT" to be 5A and "WANT" to play at this level. Those Corpus schools don't want to be 4A even though their numbers say they are. Those schools have more courage than you will ever have, because they want to play with the biggest and the best, and they “DON’T” measure up. And they have every right to look down on you as you sit on the sidelines and complain about how things have gone when you "Asked" to be admitted. No one sent you an invitation to the party; you showed up at the door and "asked" if you could come in. Now your here you can enjoy the atmosphere or you can act like it’s still not good enough for you. This is your moment it may not last for ever.

What mistakes has Dallas Jesuit made? Besides doing the logical thing of trying to find a league for our athletes to compete in, Jesuit has just flown under the radar and tried to successfully compete in the UIL. Our basketball team won the district in the first year. Our football team won the district in their first year. Our soccer team went to the region final, only to be knocked out by eventual-champion Klein.

Dallas Jesuit hasn't complained. We haven't cancelled any games. We haven't been involved in any recruiting controversies (probably because of the fact that WE DON'T RECRUIT!).

Strake hasn't either. What exactly is it that you want from them? They are being forced to play at a level where every other school has at least 150 more boys then them. Plano East has triple the number of boys that Strake does. It's great that Corpus schools want to play up, but there's a difference between stupidity and courage, and the Corpus schools are just plain stupid for trying to compete (unsucessfully I might add, unlike Dallas Carter) at the 5A level.

[Redneckn]

Yes. Strake took in 400 students from their sister school, JHS NOLA. This is because the Jesuit schools are obligated to be Men for Others and take in our New Orleans brothers (I attend Dallas Jesuit). They didn't take McDonogh or Easton or Clark kids because there are plenty of quality public schools for them to go to. They didn't take Holy Cross or Brother Martin or De La Salle or Redeemer Seton kids because there are plenty of other quality Catholic schools for them to go to.

Jesuit schools (well, at least Dallas Jesuit) have a policy of not accepting transfers from non-Jesuit run schools past 10th grade. This is because of the commitment to the complete Ignatian high school experience. Kids don't need to get a little bit of it and then leave.

Also, Strake's campus is only 44 acres. Dallas Jesuit's is only 27. They really can't take many more students. Strake increased their student load by 1/3; Dallas Jesuit took the 80 or so who came here into our student body of 1020. Strake moved to shifts to accomodate NOLA students. What more can the Jesuit schools do?


What more could they do? They could drop out of the UIL for one... The last think we need is footballing priests.. It sets a bad example.. Next thing you know we'll have a priest that if in favor of the death penalty.

[The Lone Ranger]

What more could they do? They could drop out of the UIL for one... The last think we need is footballing priests.. It sets a bad example.. Next thing you know we'll have a priest that if in favor of the death penalty.

That's just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


The priests don't have that great of an influence on the athletic program...right now at Dallas Jesuit there are 5 priests (none of whom coach a sport), 1 Jesuit scholastic (who is in formation to become a priest and is an assistant XC coach), and two Jesuit 1st-year novices (who are just beginning the 12-year road to priesthood and are only staying for 6-weeks).

[Redneckn]

That's just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


The priests don't have that great of an influence on the athletic program...right now at Dallas Jesuit there are 5 priests (none of whom coach a sport), 1 Jesuit scholastic (who is in formation to become a priest and is an assistant XC coach), and two Jesuit 1st-year novices (who are just beginning the 12-year road to priesthood and are only staying for 6-weeks).


Oh c'mon.. It was kind of funny.. But, I guess if you're catholic, perhaps it was not.. My bad.

Actually, I'm the Jesuits biggest fan (that theynever wanted).
*seriously, I am*

[The Lone Ranger]

Oh c'mon.. It was kind of funny.. But, I guess if you're catholic, perhaps it was not.. My bad.

Actually, I'm the Jesuits biggest fan (that theynever wanted).
*seriously, I am*

No, it wasn't offensive, I just thought it was pretty dumb.

[Redneckn]

No, it wasn't offensive, I just thought it was pretty dumb.


Well, they've got your thinking all screwed up there then.. Because it was mildly amusing.. Maybe in a dumb sort of way, but not just plain dumb..

[Strakeiscute]

Well, they've got your thinking all screwed up there then.. Because it was mildly amusing.. Maybe in a dumb sort of way, but not just plain dumb..


nope just plain dumb sorry. try again

[recruiter]

Ole rusty dowling and his kisd cronies tried to rig the schedule to get three of their teams in the playoffs. Not once did this old man consult with Jesuit or the three Alief schools on the scheduling. Cheaters never win.

kisd will only get one school in the playoffs. Go Hastings!!! Go Jesuit!!!

[Drake]

Ole rusty dowling and his kisd cronies tried to rig the schedule to get three of their teams in the playoffs. Not once did this old man consult with Jesuit or the three Alief schools on the scheduling. Cheaters never win.

kisd will only get one school in the playoffs. Go Hastings!!! Go Jesuit!!!

While I don't know anything about any cronies, I do believe that had KISD invited representatives from ALL 8 schools to a planning meeting on making up the games lost during the hurricane, 19-5A schools would have played a 10-game schedule this year.

[Tut]

Ole rusty dowling and his kisd cronies tried to rig the schedule to get three of their teams in the playoffs. Not once did this old man consult with Jesuit or the three Alief schools on the scheduling. Cheaters never win.

kisd will only get one school in the playoffs. Go Hastings!!! Go Jesuit!!!
The only rigging involved would be to NOT play the games. It just might work out for Hastings. Strake has EARNED a playoff berth.

recruiter - Did Alief have a plan? Did they offer suggestions? Do you know anything about the process?

[unoit]

Recruiter...

Unless, you were in the office when the phone calls were made don't talk. You weren't so don't talk. You head coach was there but was unable to get ahold of your Priest. Your head coach tried and tried.

How would it be rigging? You are in the District to play District teams. Nobody ask you to play someone outside the district.

Bottom Line Is ya'll didn't want to play because ya'll have an average at best 5A team. Ya'll know it, and everyone in the state knows it.

Go Cinco.

[tigersdad09]

Ole rusty dowling and his kisd cronies tried to rig the schedule to get three of their teams in the playoffs. Not once did this old man consult with Jesuit or the three Alief schools on the scheduling. Cheaters never win.

kisd will only get one school in the playoffs. Go Hastings!!! Go Jesuit!!!

recruiter...please explain to us how making up a game you were allready scheduled to play is rigging the schedule. Did Alief or Strake bring a plan to the table? Maybe if they had and it would have been a better idea KISD might have voted to go along with it rather than their plan, but it appears their was only one plan and Alief and Strake voted not to play. Why did Alief vote no? The answer to that question is not known or has not been told.....EVERYONE knows why Strake voted NO. Whats Alief's excuse...anyone know?

[ktCarl]

They didn't want to play Strake. :D

[Drake]

Why is it assumed that "Recruiter" is a Strake backer? I'm sure there are a bunch of people that are just anti-Katy, and if a bunch of people have read this entire thread, I'll bet there are even more now...

Again, for Strake, playing 4 games in 16 days (Katy's plan) was viewed as a disadvantage. Perhaps if ALL the schools had been consulted first, something amiable to all, or more than half, could have been agreed upon.

[tigersdad09]

Why is it assumed that "Recruiter" is a Strake backer? I'm sure there are a bunch of people that are just anti-Katy, and if a bunch of people have read this entire thread, I'll bet there are even more now...

Again, for Strake, playing 4 games in 16 days (Katy's plan) was viewed as a disadvantage. Perhaps if ALL the schools had been consulted first, something amiable to all, or more than half, could have been agreed upon.


StrakeDrake..you also failed to answer the question...why didnt Strake bring a plan to the table...or was it that they planed to vote NO to begin with? You seem to be pretty up todate on things going on at Strake so I'm sure you have heard rumors....so did Strake have a plan or not? Dont say yall and Alief voted No just because KISD brought forth a plan that your school was afraid of. The UIL only gave only so many days to make up the games and it appears KISD brought forth the only plan, or at least no one has told of another plan...

If all the other schools in the other Districts could make up their games and play 4 in the same amount of time then 19-5A should have also..

[v2the4]

No telling what went down behind the scenes with the Katy schools, the Alief Schools and Strake in thier voting to play the missed game. I think if every district had it to do over again, they may have taken the approach that district 22-5A had, by splitting the district into two zones, and making the last week of the last week of the season an early playoff game.

I actually like that a lot better than the freaking points, coin tosses, or lawsuits that we are going to see occur next week.

But, on another note, I think that this affliation of schools is over when the new alignments come out in February. With Morton Ranch fielding a varsity football program, and with Seven Lakes playing a varsity schedule next year in everything except football, that will make for a 10 team district, and nine district games in all sports in 2006-07 expect football.

I think the Dowling and the brain trust over at Katy will politic for their own district, or if anything, some of their schools will get split up and either join the western fort bend schools (Cinco Ranch and Seven Lakes will be less than five miles from the new FBISD high school and about seven miles from Bush) or the spring branch schools....thats just my take

[Tut]

The only reason 22-5A did theirs that way is because PA & Beaumont teams didn't have school for a couple weeks and couldn't play. 19-5A was the only one which could that did not make up district games.

[Texas Bob]

How Would You Vote If You Were Strake?

"The thread that wouldn't die"
"The Halloween Thriller coming to a theatre near you."

[MB1243]

it was a pretty big ***** move by strake to avoid the katy game, but wtf is up with our district this year, does every team seriously suck that bad? how does strake go undefeated in our district?

[ktCarl]

does every team seriously suck that bad? YES

how does strake go undefeated in our district? SEE ABOVE.

[Drake]

StrakeDrake..you also failed to answer the question...why didnt Strake bring a plan to the table...or was it that they planed to vote NO to begin with? You seem to be pretty up todate on things going on at Strake so I'm sure you have heard rumors....so did Strake have a plan or not? Dont say yall and Alief voted No just because KISD brought forth a plan that your school was afraid of. The UIL only gave only so many days to make up the games and it appears KISD brought forth the only plan, or at least no one has told of another plan...

If all the other schools in the other Districts could make up their games and play 4 in the same amount of time then 19-5A should have also..

Okay Dad,

First of all, I don't see the point of biased supposition, so I didn't answer the question. I didn't agree with Recruiter that the KISD plan was geared to help the KISD schools because I wasn't in their heads, at their meeting, or see any evidence of that... And unlike many of the ASSUMERS on this board, I can't say why the four schools that voted against KISD's plan voted the way they did. All I've done is try and lay out Strake's circumstances at the time of the vote as I know them. Those are in the original post on this thread and the preface for the poll.

I have "heard" since that KISD made the plan without consulting Alief ISD or Strake and the reason Strake didn't bring its own plan to the table is because they never got invited to the table, except to vote on KISD's plan.

[Drake]

How Would You Vote If You Were Strake?

"The thread that wouldn't die"
"The Halloween Thriller coming to a theatre near you."

Bob,

There are much longer threads on this board, but I think this one has continued because its a heated debate and there have been many interesting, well thought out posts... But yours are welcome too...

[ktCarl]

You gotta admit that Texas Bob had a good reply.

What time is the Strake/Cinco Ranch game being played? I'm thinking of catching that game and the Katy game. Ours is at 2pm at Crump.

[Drake]

Any of Bob's post are welcome and, yes, his last one was pretty funny.

I'm pretty sure Strake plays @ 2pm Saturday also. Too bad, I'd like to see Katy again. :(

[Fleeman93]

The jesuits are a bunch of cowards. The jesuits should accept their playoff spot and decline the co district championship that we all know they don't deserve. Did the KISD schools have to get together to come up with a plan that would work? No. Real heroic of you people that are going out of your way to criticize a group of people (KISD coaches) for putting in an extra 11 hours of work to come up with a plan at all. For those of you that think the KISD plan gave KISD schools an advantage then please by all means explain how. A real good way to look at a situation like this is to see how the outcome would help one group or another. The KISD schools wanted to play a game that was on the schedule. The jesuits and the Alief schools did not want to play. Who benefited the most from not playing the scheduled game?

[hornfan713]

i'm curious, if strake and elsik's district rankings were reversed, would this thread be any different?

this is not meant as an attack or as a provocation, i'm genuinely curious how everyone would react.

[ktCarl]

I can't believe this thread has lasted so long. One more game to go and it's the playoffs. Now that' exciting.