Which Katy Tigers Team is the best ever?

[TexasHSfootball KIng]

1997,1998,2000,2003...2005???

state your case







MOOOOOOOOOOOUTON! :o

[ktCarl]

I've seen this thread before. When we bring this up in Katyland and the answer isn't the 2003 team, a lot of feelings get hurt.
N E way............

So far, 2000. They were undefeated, started out of the gate fast and dominated everyone they played. Oh yeah, they also won the 5A Div II Title.

1997 was fun 'cause it was Katy's first State Title year and they beat a Nationally ranked Longview team that I personally didn't think was possible for them to do.

2000....hands down.

[htownfootball]

whered my post go?

[TXfbfan]

1.2000

2.1998

3.1997

4.2003

5.1999

You cant judge 2005 yet but so far so good

[nate]

Definitely 2000. Dominant defense + exposing Aaron Ross did it for me.

[htownfootball]

nevermind i got confused there is a thread just like this

[KatyTigerDad0407]

1997 was Katy's second state title year.

[lonny23]

In recent years, 2001 but 1990 a little further back! :p

[ktCarl]

1997 was Katy's second state title year.

It was their first State Title win.

[ktfiend]

Did you forget about 1959? That makes 1997 their second.

[Tut]

2000 was dominant! We'll have to wait and see about '05. The proof is in the playoffs.

[Fleeman93]

2000
1997
1998
1999
2003
2004
2002
2001

[katyrecsquad6]

look at the stats 2000 was the best ever

[ktrain]

2000, only team that went undefeated.

[ktCarl]

Did you forget about 1959? That makes 1997 their second.

First 5A Title, MS. Fiend.

[SmilinTiger]

look at the stats 2000 was the best ever

Some of those stats are already falling by the wayside. Others are in jeopardy.

[TXfbfan]

2000, only team that went undefeated.

what about 98

[Fan4Life]

2000, only team that went undefeated.

If the 2005 team keeps playing the way they are they might end up like the 2000 team.

[ktrain]

what about 98

Did they win the state championship???

[kttigersrock]

2000.

16-0

So, no team can top it. Only equal it.

[STJL41]

Did they win the state championship???

No, they didn't win in 1998 and you know why. I think the fact that they didn't win state in '98 is negligible when talking about which Katy HS team is the best. They got screwed out of going to State from the inside, so you cannot say that makes them any worse than 2000 or 2003. Due to the circumstances of that season, at least in the case of this discussion, you must ignore their missing the state game.

After all that, I'm going with 2000, hands down.

[Katyexrb29]

Im a little biased but I would have to go with 2000. :p !!!!

[rellufnalla]

Best ever?

3rd
2000- best record for sure, but they struggled during the first half of almost every game. It was unnerving to watch. Then they would go into overdrive after halftime. If you could stop them on the ground, you could beat them. Fortunately, nobody did.

2nd
2003 - lost to Lufkin on season opener, recovered and won state against SLC. SLC slowed our ground game to a crawl. Fortunately, Ben Johnson could pass. Katy defense was the only one to shut SLC down all year. Best coaching on the clock control during possession. Special teams performance was perfect. I can still hear the MOOOOOOuton.

1st
2005 - Air Katy with sophomore Dean onboard for the running game is close to a fully balanced offense with very few sacs allowed. Several games went sacless. Defense against the run is as good as it's ever been. Secondary has the ability to stop anything in the air or on the ground. This year's team gets my vote for best ever.

[KT2000]

I don't think it's fair to the 2005 group or the ones before to call them the best ever at this point. Let them finish the season and then we'll have a much better idea.

Excluding this year (Best 5A teams)...

1. 2000- Most complete Tiger team I've ever seen. Very explosive. Could score via offense, defense and special teams.

2. 1997- 1,000/1,000 tandem in the backfield and arguably the best defense in school history.

3. 1998- can give 97 a run for best defense in school history. Steady leadership of a more experienced Gore at QB.

4. 1994- Amazing talent of Bill Jatzlau at RB and Rob Peters at QB. Beat back-to-back defending champions Converse Judson 42-19 in the semis.

5. 2003- rebounded from loss to Lufkin and improved steadily over the course of the season. Ended SLCs winning streak for state. 15 straight wins.

6. 1999- big play team with talented skill players. Senior leadership of Robbie McDaniel and talented players from junior class carried this team a long way.

7. 2004- lost two games by a combined three points after taking state the year before. Bruising running from James Aston.

8. 1992- first Tiger team to breakthrough in the post-season. Advanced to quarters before losing to Yates. Very good defense and balanced offense.

9. 1989- undefeated regular season but upset in the first round. Very good players on this team. Maybe had the best D-line in school history.

10. 1986- first Tiger team to go undefeated in the reg. season as a 5A school. However, were playoff inexperienced and lost in first round, but a very good team.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I know this is 5a Texas Highschool Football, and I wasn't around back in 59 when Katy won their first state title, but what a rich history we have. I visited with a man at the game Friday who graduated from Katy in 81. His mom and dad graduated in 55 and 57. He told me his father has never ever missed a Katy Tiger game. Now this man's children go to Katy. Rich history and tradition, I'm so glad my children got the Katy expierience through their adolesence and young adulthood.

[recruiter]

katy football may win a lot of games, but questions will always linger about how they win. Namely:

How many years has it been since katy was admonished by the UIL for cheating??

What is the average length of time the so-called star athletes on katy's team have actually lived in katy? Most of the players did not attend a kisd school for grades 1-8.

How many players parents work for kisd in an effort to circumvent UIL rules on eligibility?

Keep on winning by whatever means necessary.

[rwilleby]

katy football may win a lot of games, but questions will always linger about how they win. Namely:

How many years has it been since katy was admonished by the UIL for cheating??

What is the average length of time the so-called star athletes on katy's team have actually lived in katy? Most of the players did not attend a kisd school for grades 1-8.

How many players parents work for kisd in an effort to circumvent UIL rules on eligibility?

Keep on winning by whatever means necessary.
gutless... why hide behind the invisible internet and then post such bitterness... Where are you from and what did you do? or better yet, what have you not done?

Better yet, why don't you give us the answers to your questions?

[HOOKEM]

1997,1998,2000,2003...2005???

state your case







MOOOOOOOOOOOUTON! :o


Who CARES

[ktCarl]

gutless... why hide behind the invisible internet and then post such bitterness... Where are you from and what did you do? or better yet, what have you not done?

Better yet, why don't you give us the answers to your questions?

With a name like 'recruiter' I would say he's a student at Strake Jesuit.

[rwilleby]

Probably not... that would be too obvious... Just someone being a jerk... I really would like to know the answers to his questions... If he dares...

[ktCarl]

katy football may win a lot of games, but questions will always linger about how they win. Namely:

How many years has it been since katy was admonished by the UIL for cheating??

What is the average length of time the so-called star athletes on katy's team have actually lived in katy? Most of the players did not attend a kisd school for grades 1-8.

How many players parents work for kisd in an effort to circumvent UIL rules on eligibility?

Keep on winning by whatever means necessary.


Well, recruiter, are you man enough to tell us the answers to your questions?

[Butch Fifield]

What is the average length of time the so-called star athletes on katy's team have actually lived in katy? Most of the players did not attend a kisd school for grades 1-8.

Great programs attract great athletes. Parents take this into consideration when their kids show athletic promise. Parents want to get their kids in great programs. Great programs do not need to go out and recruit. The players come to them.

[KatyTigers]

katy football may win a lot of games, but questions will always linger about how they win. Namely:

How many years has it been since katy was admonished by the UIL for cheating??

What is the average length of time the so-called star athletes on katy's team have actually lived in katy? Most of the players did not attend a kisd school for grades 1-8.

How many players parents work for kisd in an effort to circumvent UIL rules on eligibility?

Keep on winning by whatever means necessary.


Let's answer the questions:

1. 6 years, never questioned before or after by the UIL. Everyone knows that one kid changed his grade. It was not a team issue.

2. Most of the kids do attend elementary and junior high in Katy. Katy has one of the strongest youth football associations in Texas. Kid's are very competitive at an early age. Also, Katy is one of the fastest growing areas in Houston so it is natural for families to move into the district at later stages of school. People go where there are quality schools and nice neighborhoods. Sorry to burst your bubble. There is not a recruiter at Katy High.

3. No more than any other school district in the Houston area.

4. Keep on winning by having a coaching staff and parents that build character, discipline, and a love for the game. Kids that out work the competition and want to win more the every school in Texas.

recruiter, I hope that answers your question.

[rwilleby]

KatyTigers you took all of the fun out of it...

Now the "Recruiter" has nothing left to criticize Katy about...

Plus you gave away all of "top secret" answers... :)

[MB1243]

i think 2000 was probably the best

[OfficerCartman]

2000- best record for sure, but they struggled during the first half of almost every game. It was unnerving to watch. Then they would go into overdrive after halftime. If you could stop them on the ground, you could beat them. Fortunately, nobody did.

You kidding me? We dominated everyone we played with the exception of a few very good teams, on the ground and through the air. Also, the case can be made the 2000 team had a more difficult schedule. 3 or 4 out of the 5 non-district teams made the playoffs, and both Elsik and Hastings made it very far into the playoffs. We crushed Madison with Vince Young, Courtney Lewis, and William Winston, had a good win over Hastings with a very fast defense led by Rodrique Wright, and beat TJT with Pagitte McGee and Aaron Ross TWICE. 2003 also had a more difficult schedule, but did not dominate opponents as much as 2000 or 2005 so far.

1998 Season scoring (15 games) - 433-109 (324 pt margin)
2000 Season scoring - 626-126 (500 pt margin)
through 8 games - 305-47 (258 pt margin)
2003 Season scoring - 520-225 (295 pt margin)
through 8 games - 225-111 (114 pt margin)
2005 through 8 games - 330-85 (245 pt margin)

Adjusted to 15 games, the 2000 season scoring was about 587-118. To equal this the 2005 team will have average over 36.7 points per game while giving up less than 4.7 points per game.

[rellufnalla]

What I see in 2005 is not in the statistics. The Tigers could be running up outrageous scores but are using the bench. The resulting statistic is not as impressive. The coaching philosoply has changed a little. It doesn't seem as important to run the score up or stop the opponent at all cost once a secure lead is built. Protecting the starters from injury is the bigger consideration and working on depth in the event of an injury.

I see the most potential in this years team. The air is great, The ground is very good with more than one back to depend on. The defense maintains the disipline needed. The secondary has the heart. I see the kind of balance that still allows you to win even if you get a leg knocked out from under you.

I concede that it is not fair to say they are the "best" team at this point. They certainly have the potential to go 15-0 and win a fifth state title.

[OfficerCartman]

This is too ridiculous for words. 5 years must have clouded your memory. 2000 also pulled the starters fairly early. Maybe you just didn't notice it since there was not as large of a dropoff after first string that year. Plus, my guess is Coach Johnston did not have the philosophy of "run the score up or stop the opponent at all cost once a secure lead is built" either.
More than 1 back to depend on: Mouton, Branch, Tarver, and Jones.
Defense wasn't scored on much in garbage time, regardless of who was in.

Haven't even won district yet, and you're ready to crown them the best Katy team ever?

[Fan4Life]

"Haven't even won district yet, and you're ready to crown them the best Katy team ever?[/QUOTE]"



^How can you say that?? You know Katy would have won district if they were allowed to play all of their games!

[OfficerCartman]

dp

[OfficerCartman]

My point was that the regular season isn't over yet, much less 6 possible playoff games. There's a lot of football to be played yet.

Of course they would have beat Strake.

[ktCarl]

dp

The 2005 Katy team hasn't proved anything yet except that they are a good team. The same goes for all the front runners in Texas 5A.

[kttigersrock]

Again, I say....

2000 can only be matched, not 'bettered'

16-0 Sate Champs.

[drgnbkr]

2003....... :D

[ktCarl]

2003....... :D

Ha! Gotcha again! You hate to hear that SLC wasn't defeated by Katy's best team ever. :D

2003 team was great. What other team could hold SLC's high-powered offense to 15 points? That team had great leadership amongst the players.
Still, we (Katy fans) were all impressed by the Dragons in that game.

[drgnbkr]

Ha! Gotcha again! You hate to hear that SLC wasn't defeated by Katy's best team ever. :D

2003 team was great. What other team could hold SLC's high-powered offense to 15 points? That team had great leadership amongst the players.
Still, we (Katy fans) were all impressed by the Dragons in that game.

You know..I'm still not sure if we were graceful in defeat or just numb..We were so conditioned to winning (some confuse that with arrogance) that it did'nt really sink in for a while...great game...maybe we can do it again!

[ktCarl]

You know..I'm still not sure if we were graceful in defeat or just numb..We were so conditioned to winning (some confuse that with arrogance) that it did'nt really sink in for a while...great game...maybe we can do it again!

With our experiences, 2 State losses, 3 wins and a disqualification, I think we have become an 'even-keeled' fan base. We understand that anything can happen after the first kickoff. It makes the game even more exciting when you know the other team can beat you and you wind up pulling it out. I could see where losing any game for ya'll would be more devestating.

[kttigersrock]

Who isn't impressed with the Dragons? Only one loss in 5A??? That's insane.

The 2003 Katy team was great, and just happened to have the perfect formula to give them the one defeat. Ball control, keep the ball away from them, play great defense, and capitalize on any mistakes.

Remember... SLC missed a FG that may have clinched it, Katy scored on a big play late, Katy intercepted a late pass, but still had to get a first down to seal it. Could have gone either way to the end.

What a great game.

I still think 2000 was the greatest Katy team (16-0, can't argue that)...but the 2003 state game is the greatest game I have ever seen.

Nothing but respect for the SLC program.

[drgnbkr]

With our experiences, 2 State losses, 3 wins and a disqualification, I think we have become an 'even-keeled' fan base. We understand that anything can happen after the first kickoff. It makes the game even more exciting when you know the other team can beat you and you wind up pulling it out. I could see where losing any game for ya'll would be more devestating.

We've won 5 titles..all as the last game of a 16-0 season...I've been there for 4.....still have a sore toe from the big stub in 03... :)

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

I like the 94 team that got spanked by 3 touchdowns by Plano in State D2 game at Kyle field. Playing in cold weather isn't Katy's ideal playing conditions. :D

[ktCarl]

I like the 94 team that got spanked by 3 touchdowns by Plano in State D2 game at Kyle field. Playing in cold weather isn't Katy's ideal playing conditions. :D


Oh, No, Plano! It wasn't the temperature... It was the Wildcats that beat us!!

[UT66]

Having not missed a game since 94, I cant comment on previous years. Tigers gave us a gift in the final game of 2003 that can probably not be equaled since I have been an observer. I admire the Southlake program equally as much as Katy's. Truer words were not spoken that good programs draw quality players. Both of these programs validate that. The game with Southlake could easily have gone either way and both teams missed scoring opportunities during the game. All of the teams have been fun to watch and especially the 1997,1998,2000, 2003 runs had there special players and great games. But, to me, the 2005 team has been more fun to watch from a fan perspective. Some of the other teams could pass but not like this one. The new coaching philosophy is more open and vertical and thats personally what I like to see. I am not a fan of the spread but do like balance and this team is balanced. I dont think the defense is as good as some of the others we have had but they are good enough and bend but dont break often. Not dominating but good enough. The offense is just more fun than the others mentioned. Maybe not as talented and maybe not with the pure dominating player in the mix but this one has an intangible I havent put my finger on yet. They scare you in the first half or they just blow the other team out. You never know what your gonna get with this team. Dalton has some effect on the other players that is kinda magical. Some times its Dean that has it going and sometimes its King or even Hunter, but its one of them every time. But Dalton is smooth and accurate. We have had other good passers but I dont think they had the presence he does. I dont mean to slight any of the other teams Katy has had in any way. They all were fun to watch but this team is just different from all of them. Not a real power team in any category but they function as a team in a unique kinda way. Neither the offense or the defense is a juggernaut but they have a kind of finesse that most of the previous teams did not have. They are confident but not arrogant and that is a unique balance in itself. But I sure wish we could have played Strake!

[MB1243]

I havent had a chance to catch the 05 team because I just feel gay going back to a high school football game, but i'll prolly go watch one in the playoffs with some friends, but from what ive been reading they seem pretty damn good, I dont ever remember us passing this much, and ive watched games since Rob Peters was the starting qb, hopefully at the end of the season we all can say that this team was the best. The best high school football game ive ever seen was 03 against SLC without a doubt. That game was ******.

[HOOKEM]

I havent had a chance to catch the 05 team because I just feel gay going back to a high school football game, but i'll prolly go watch one in the playoffs with some friends, but from what ive been reading they seem pretty damn good, I dont ever remember us passing this much, and ive watched games since Rob Peters was the starting qb, hopefully at the end of the season we all can say that this team was the best. The best high school football game ive ever seen was 03 against SLC without a doubt. That game was ******.

Search your feelings Luke, you know them to be true.....Obewon

[KTTex]

2005

They have my vote. 2005 Katy Tigers ROCK!