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WOS87
04-09-2008, 10:47 AM
Don't laugh but this is an example of what I do on my down time at work... :laugh


I found it interesting though and I've never actually seen any numbers like this. What you see below are the most common final scores looking at over 10,000 scores of Texas High School Football playoff games (10,164 to be exact).

Just so you know exactly what you're looking at as an example: The first row indicates that a team has ended the game with 0 points 820 times or in a little over 8% of the total number of games that were looked at.

FINAL SCORE -- Total # -- % of Total
0 ------- 820 ------- 8.0676%
7 ------- 803 ------- 7.9004%
14 ------- 799 ------- 7.861%
21 ------- 647 ------- 6.3656%
6 ------- 464 ------- 4.5651%
28 ------- 460 ------- 4.5257%
13 ------- 409 ------- 4.024%
20 ------- 392 ------- 3.8567%
35 ------- 310 ------- 3.0499%
27 ------- 285 ------- 2.804%
24 ------- 259 ------- 2.5482%
17 ------- 237 ------- 2.3317%
12 ------- 221 ------- 2.1743%
10 ------- 220 ------- 2.1645%
42 ------- 219 ------- 2.1546%
31 ------- 218 ------- 2.1448%
34 ------- 207 ------- 2.0365%
26 ------- 175 ------- 1.7217%
19 ------- 171 ------- 1.6824%
38 ------- 145 ------- 1.4266%
16 ------- 136 ------- 1.338%
22 ------- 132 ------- 1.2987%
41 ------- 129 ------- 1.2691%
30 ------- 125 ------- 1.2298%
15 ------- 122 ------- 1.2003%
33 ------- 116 ------- 1.1412%
3 ------- 112 ------- 1.1019%
49 ------- 111 ------- 1.092%
23 ------- 110 ------- 1.0822%
18 ------- 101 ------- 0.9937%
40 ------- 99 ------- 0.974%
8 ------- 98 ------- 0.9641%
29 ------- 97 ------- 0.9543%
9 ------- 90 ------- 0.8854%
48 ------- 89 ------- 0.8756%
37 ------- 87 ------- 0.8559%
25 ------- 82 ------- 0.8067%
45 ------- 82 ------- 0.8067%
32 ------- 73 ------- 0.7182%
36 ------- 73 ------- 0.7182%
44 ------- 56 ------- 0.5509%
43 ------- 47 ------- 0.4624%
56 ------- 44 ------- 0.4329%
52 ------- 40 ------- 0.3935%
55 ------- 40 ------- 0.3935%
47 ------- 39 ------- 0.3837%
39 ------- 38 ------- 0.3738%
46 ------- 35 ------- 0.3443%
50 ------- 34 ------- 0.3345%
51 ------- 27 ------- 0.2656%
54 ------- 24 ------- 0.2361%
11 ------- 23 ------- 0.2262%
63 ------- 20 ------- 0.1967%
58 ------- 18 ------- 0.177%
61 ------- 16 ------- 0.1574%
62 ------- 16 ------- 0.1574%
57 ------- 15 ------- 0.1475%
53 ------- 14 ------- 0.1377%
59 ------- 14 ------- 0.1377%
60 ------- 14 ------- 0.1377%
2 ------- 11 ------- 0.1082%

RedRage00
04-09-2008, 10:51 AM
Ok, yeah...you are a nerd! But we still like ya! :D:notworthy

dada
04-09-2008, 10:53 AM
I was involved in a game against Aldine where we scored 5 points.....how rare is that?

RedRage00
04-09-2008, 10:59 AM
I was involved in a game against Aldine where we scored 5 points.....how rare is that?

I'm guessing yall lost that game?! :D

dada
04-09-2008, 11:00 AM
I'm guessing yall lost that game?! :D

Yep....13-5

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:10 AM
Well, in playoff games it's happened 5 times among the scores I looked at. So it would be about half as likely to happen as scoring 2 points comparing that to the numbers I posted above.

1995 5A DII Quarterfinals: Humble over Fort Bend Elkins 9-5
1983 5A Bidistrict: Cypress Creek over Conroe 7-5
2007 4A DII Area Round: South Oak Cliff over Ennis 12-5
1977 4A Bidistrict: Spring Branch Memorial over Houston Westbury 16-5
2005 2A DII Quarterfinals: Celina over Crawford 47-5

PantherFan2002
04-09-2008, 11:34 AM
Always nice to see the stats you come up with. Not sure where you find the time for it but i give you props. Great job once again.

OakTreeUp-n-Out
04-09-2008, 11:35 AM
WOS,
Just to clarify, what timeframe does your data encompass here, and is it playoff only data?

dada
04-09-2008, 11:42 AM
WOS,
Just to clarify, what timeframe does your data encompass here, and is it playoff only data?

I think it's playoff's only......to do every regular season game in Texas would take WOS AND Lonny.

The year Aldine won state, they beat us 13-5 in week 3.

dada
04-09-2008, 11:47 AM
WOS,
Just to clarify, what timeframe does your data encompass here, and is it playoff only data?

I think it's playoff's only......to do every regular season game in Texas would take WOS AND Lonny.

The year Aldine won state, they beat us 13-5 in week 3.

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:47 AM
WOS,
Just to clarify, what timeframe does your data encompass here, and is it playoff only data?

It's the 5084 games I've had time to actually add in to my database which you can find at this link here on this very site:

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?p=741186


It includes ALL playoff games in any classification played in the past 5 years and ALL largest classification playoff games back to 1920 and I believe several hundred random scores that I've managed to add in on top of all of that. It comes out to between a third and a half of every 11-man UIL playoff game ever played.

DrEdward
04-09-2008, 11:49 AM
Isn't the official score of a forfeit 1-0 in football? If so, how many times does "1" appear? Perhaps the data base does not include such non-games, even though they have occured in Texas football. But I would be willing to speculate that would be among the most rare of final scores.

DrEdward
04-09-2008, 11:53 AM
It's the 5084 games I've had time to actually add in to my database which you can find at this link here on this very site:

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?p=741186


It includes ALL playoff games in any classification played in the past 5 years and ALL largest classification playoff games back to 1920 and I believe several hundred random scores that I've managed to add in on top of all of that. It comes out to between a third and a half of every 11-man UIL playoff game ever played.

Impressive to say the least. By the way, I haven't forgotten the project we talked about briefly.

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:58 AM
Isn't the official score of a forfeit 1-0 in football? If so, how many times does "1" appear? Perhaps the data base does not include such non-games, even though they have occured in Texas football. But I would be willing to speculate that would be among the most rare of final scores.

Actually I have forfeit scores of 1-0 occurring 7 times

The rarest of all the "low" numbers would be 4, as I've only come across one playoff game ever played where a team finished with a total of 4 points.

La Joya beat Harlingen 4-0 in the 1995 5A DI Bi-district round

bullrock
04-09-2008, 12:51 PM
You have to be a government employee, one for having the time to do this research and two having the equipment to store it!

AHS Mustangs
04-09-2008, 01:06 PM
I was involved in a game against Aldine where we scored 5 points.....how rare is that?

Aldine did it again in 1998, beating Eisenhower 6-5.

MANIMAL
04-09-2008, 01:53 PM
i know in 95 LJ beat Harlingen 4-0

grayowl60
04-09-2008, 01:59 PM
Tyler lee beat Kimball 3-2 last year. How many times has that happened?

CCHS77
04-09-2008, 02:06 PM
Subject is playoff game scores

WOS87
04-09-2008, 02:22 PM
For those of you who enter football pools where you have the option of picking the numbers you want. Here's the likelihood of the final digit of a final score being each of the 10 digits:

For the winning team:

1 = 13.36%
4 = 12.84%
8 = 12.55%
0 = 12.23%
5 = 9.40%
2 = 8.79%
7 = 8.70%
3 = 7.91%
6 = 7.32%
9 = 6.90%

For the losing team:

0 = 36.46%
4 = 14.07%
6 = 10.88%
3 = 8.66%
1 = 7.58%
2 = 5.90%
8 = 5.23%
7 = 4.28%
9 = 3.60%
5 = 3.32%

So having 0 along with either 0, 1, 4 or 8 would be the best combinations to have. It's kind of counterintuitive as a lot of people tend to lean towards picking the number 7, which actually is one of the least likely to show up overall.

grayowl60
04-09-2008, 02:22 PM
Subject is playoff game scores
I wonder how many 3-2 games have been played, anytime;)

WOS87
04-09-2008, 02:31 PM
I wonder how many 3-2 games have been played, anytime;)

Given that a team will end a game with 3 points about 1 out of every 100 games, and a score of 2 points about 1 out of every 1000 games, the chances of both happening in the same game would be about once every 100,000 games. I would imagine it hasn't happened in Texas HS Football history more than a handful of times, if that.

Statistically, Humble's 9-5 win over Elkins in 1995 would happen even less frequently.

OakTreeUp-n-Out
04-09-2008, 02:36 PM
Any way to determine what the most common GAME score was?
I.E.
14 to 7.
21 to 3.
etc. etc. etc.

WOS87
04-09-2008, 02:49 PM
Any way to determine what the most common GAME score was?
I.E.
14 to 7.
21 to 3.
etc. etc. etc.

If I had to bet I'd say probably 7-0

Gimme a sec and I can tell u for sure

WOS87
04-09-2008, 03:13 PM
Hmmm... actually 7-0 would not be correct. The most common overall game scores are as follows:

73 games ended 21-14
55 games ended 28-21
51 games ended 28-7
50 games ended 21-7
47 games ended 28-14
47 games ended 21-0
45 games ended 35-14
43 games ended 14-7
42 games ended 14-0
41 games ended 7-0
41 games ended 28-0
38 games ended 7-6
36 games ended 14-13



Here are the most common scores of the winning team

Final Winning Score / # occurrences / percent occurrence
28 --- 370 --- 6.6332%
21 --- 349 --- 6.2567%
35 --- 290 --- 5.1989%
42 --- 228 --- 4.0874%
14 --- 225 --- 4.0337%
20 --- 221 --- 3.9619%
27 --- 212 --- 3.8006%
34 --- 200 --- 3.5855%
24 --- 199 --- 3.5675%
31 --- 198 --- 3.5496%
38 --- 149 --- 2.6712%
13 --- 142 --- 2.5457%
41 --- 141 --- 2.5277%
26 --- 131 --- 2.3485%
17 --- 130 --- 2.3305%
49 --- 121 --- 2.1692%
33 --- 115 --- 2.0616%
7 --- 109 --- 1.9541%
30 --- 107 --- 1.9182%
40 --- 99 --- 1.7748%
48 --- 95 --- 1.7031%
45 --- 90 --- 1.6134%
19 --- 87 --- 1.5596%
37 --- 82 --- 1.47%
23 --- 79 --- 1.4162%
29 --- 77 --- 1.3804%
22 --- 75 --- 1.3445%
36 --- 75 --- 1.3445%
32 --- 67 --- 1.2011%
16 --- 61 --- 1.0935%
10 --- 60 --- 1.0756%
25 --- 59 --- 1.0577%
18 --- 58 --- 1.0397%
44 --- 58 --- 1.0397%
43 --- 56 --- 1.0039%
12 --- 51 --- 0.9143%
6 --- 47 --- 0.8425%
39 --- 46 --- 0.8246%
56 --- 46 --- 0.8246%
52 --- 46 --- 0.8246%
55 --- 46 --- 0.8246%
46 --- 43 --- 0.7708%
47 --- 42 --- 0.7529%
50 --- 38 --- 0.6812%
15 --- 35 --- 0.6274%
9 --- 34 --- 0.6095%
51 --- 29 --- 0.5198%
54 --- 28 --- 0.5019%

And the most common scores of the losing team

Final Losing Score / # occurrences / percent occurrence
0 --- 848 --- 15.2025%
7 --- 752 --- 13.4815%
14 --- 662 --- 11.868%
6 --- 452 --- 8.1032%
21 --- 361 --- 6.4718%
13 --- 310 --- 5.5575%
20 --- 221 --- 3.9619%
12 --- 205 --- 3.6751%
10 --- 179 --- 3.209%
28 --- 129 --- 2.3126%
17 --- 124 --- 2.223%
3 --- 110 --- 1.972%
19 --- 99 --- 1.7748%
27 --- 99 --- 1.7748%
8 --- 96 --- 1.721%
15 --- 96 --- 1.721%
16 --- 90 --- 1.6134%
24 --- 81 --- 1.4521%
22 --- 79 --- 1.4162%
9 --- 64 --- 1.1473%
26 --- 56 --- 1.0039%
18 --- 51 --- 0.9143%
35 --- 50 --- 0.8963%
23 --- 42 --- 0.7529%
34 --- 37 --- 0.6633%
31 --- 32 --- 0.5736%
25 --- 31 --- 0.5557%
29 --- 30 --- 0.5378%

grayowl60
04-09-2008, 04:22 PM
Subject is playoff game scores
I wonder how many 3-2 games have been played.....ever

OakTreeUp-n-Out
04-09-2008, 04:34 PM
Hmmm... actually 7-0 would not be correct. The most common overall game scores are as follows:


I guess my hypothesis would be that, more often than not, if a team is good enough to put up a shutout they also have an offense that's better than 7 points.

WOS87
04-09-2008, 04:42 PM
I guess my hypothesis would be that, more often than not, if a team is good enough to put up a shutout they also have an offense that's better than 7 points.

Yeah, that makes sense. Breaking it down into losing scores and winning scores cleared it up for me. 7 points is only the 18th most common score of winning teams... It's interesting that it's more common for a winning team to have a final tally of 49 points or even 41 points than it is for them to have 7.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
04-09-2008, 04:46 PM
Tyler lee beat Kimball 3-2 last year. How many times has that happened?

And, if I'm not mistaken, Lee kicked the winning field goal in the last few seconds of that game.

bigdaddydog
04-09-2008, 05:02 PM
Great information. Some times it's hard for mee to visualize the data so here is a chart of the data.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2401154521_3c6b32862a_o.jpg

78 Spartan
04-09-2008, 07:26 PM
I wonder, in 10,000 ballgames, has a team ever finished with 4 points (i.e. two safeties)?

I remember an NFL playoff game between Dallas and Detroit, in the Cotton Bowl in the early 70s, that Dallas won 5-3.

dragonsdaddy
04-09-2008, 07:52 PM
I wonder, in 10,000 ballgames, has a team ever finished with 4 points (i.e. two safeties)?

I remember an NFL playoff game between Dallas and Detroit, in the Cotton Bowl in the early 70s, that Dallas won 5-3.as per an earlier post #18, i think, "La Joya beat Harlingen 4-0 in the 1995 5A DI Bi-district round".

grayowl60
04-09-2008, 07:55 PM
I wonder, in 10,000 ballgames, has a team ever finished with 4 points (i.e. two safeties)?

I remember an NFL playoff game between Dallas and Detroit, in the Cotton Bowl in the early 70s, that Dallas won 5-3.
Im thinking 60s. I was at that game. The great Detroit D back Lem Barney had a say in the final score:o

Panther63
04-09-2008, 07:58 PM
Im thinking 60s. I was at that game. The great Detroit D back Lem Barney had a say in the final score:o
1970 and i think the score was 5-0.

Panther63
04-09-2008, 08:04 PM
11pts is rare , but Permian scored 11pts in their 1st two state final games ,beat SA Lee 11-6 in 1965 lost to Austin Reagan 17- 11 in 1968

elkfbfan
04-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Dallas did beat Detroit 5-0, in 1970. It was a playoff game at the Cotton Bowl, Dec. 26, 1970. I was there as part of my Christmas present with my Dad- I was nine; I remeber it was Dec. 26 because I had also gotten my first watch for Christmas & i remember looking at the date on it while at the game.:)

elkfbfan
04-09-2008, 09:26 PM
Dallas did beat Detroit 5-0, in 1970. It was a playoff game at the Cotton Bowl, Dec. 26, 1970. I was there as part of my Christmas present with my Dad- I was nine; I remeber it was Dec. 26 because I had also gotten my first watch for Christmas & i remember looking at the date on it while at the game.:)

Bass
04-09-2008, 11:38 PM
Katy beat Mayde Creek 21-5 in 2004. Now you know. :)

teXan
04-10-2008, 10:02 AM
KATY TIGERS
2007 5A DIV. II STATE CHAMPIONS
FIVE-TIME STATE CHAMPIONS
1959 - 1997 - 2000 - 2003 - 2007
(16-0) ----- (14-1) ----- (16-0) ----- (15-1) ----- (16-0)
I need a fix! Let's get Six! 2008 KATY TIGERS!

There's an interesting trend. Starting in 1997, Katy has won the state championship every 3'ish years. I don't know about you but I'm feeling confident until about 2010. :D

grayowl60
04-10-2008, 10:14 AM
Dallas did beat Detroit 5-0, in 1970. It was a playoff game at the Cotton Bowl, Dec. 26, 1970. I was there as part of my Christmas present with my Dad- I was nine; I remeber it was Dec. 26 because I had also gotten my first watch for Christmas & i remember looking at the date on it while at the game.:)
Seems to me there were about 80,000 at the Cotton Bowl that day, SRO. Classic defensive war. Some fans today would call that game...boring:rolleyes:

Slim-Rob
04-10-2008, 11:53 AM
Hmmm... actually 7-0 would not be correct. The most common overall game scores are as follows:

73 games ended 21-14
55 games ended 28-21
51 games ended 28-7
50 games ended 21-7
47 games ended 28-14
47 games ended 21-0
45 games ended 35-14
43 games ended 14-7
42 games ended 14-0
41 games ended 7-0
41 games ended 28-0
38 games ended 7-6
36 games ended 14-13



Here are the most common scores of the winning team

Final Winning Score / # occurrences / percent occurrence
28 --- 370 --- 6.6332%
21 --- 349 --- 6.2567%
35 --- 290 --- 5.1989%
42 --- 228 --- 4.0874%
14 --- 225 --- 4.0337%
20 --- 221 --- 3.9619%
27 --- 212 --- 3.8006%
34 --- 200 --- 3.5855%
24 --- 199 --- 3.5675%
31 --- 198 --- 3.5496%
38 --- 149 --- 2.6712%
13 --- 142 --- 2.5457%
41 --- 141 --- 2.5277%
26 --- 131 --- 2.3485%
17 --- 130 --- 2.3305%
49 --- 121 --- 2.1692%
33 --- 115 --- 2.0616%
7 --- 109 --- 1.9541%
30 --- 107 --- 1.9182%
40 --- 99 --- 1.7748%
48 --- 95 --- 1.7031%
45 --- 90 --- 1.6134%
19 --- 87 --- 1.5596%
37 --- 82 --- 1.47%
23 --- 79 --- 1.4162%
29 --- 77 --- 1.3804%
22 --- 75 --- 1.3445%
36 --- 75 --- 1.3445%
32 --- 67 --- 1.2011%
16 --- 61 --- 1.0935%
10 --- 60 --- 1.0756%
25 --- 59 --- 1.0577%
18 --- 58 --- 1.0397%
44 --- 58 --- 1.0397%
43 --- 56 --- 1.0039%
12 --- 51 --- 0.9143%
6 --- 47 --- 0.8425%
39 --- 46 --- 0.8246%
56 --- 46 --- 0.8246%
52 --- 46 --- 0.8246%
55 --- 46 --- 0.8246%
46 --- 43 --- 0.7708%
47 --- 42 --- 0.7529%
50 --- 38 --- 0.6812%
15 --- 35 --- 0.6274%
9 --- 34 --- 0.6095%
51 --- 29 --- 0.5198%
54 --- 28 --- 0.5019%

And the most common scores of the losing team

Final Losing Score / # occurrences / percent occurrence
0 --- 848 --- 15.2025%
7 --- 752 --- 13.4815%
14 --- 662 --- 11.868%
6 --- 452 --- 8.1032%
21 --- 361 --- 6.4718%
13 --- 310 --- 5.5575%
20 --- 221 --- 3.9619%
12 --- 205 --- 3.6751%
10 --- 179 --- 3.209%
28 --- 129 --- 2.3126%
17 --- 124 --- 2.223%
3 --- 110 --- 1.972%
19 --- 99 --- 1.7748%
27 --- 99 --- 1.7748%
8 --- 96 --- 1.721%
15 --- 96 --- 1.721%
16 --- 90 --- 1.6134%
24 --- 81 --- 1.4521%
22 --- 79 --- 1.4162%
9 --- 64 --- 1.1473%
26 --- 56 --- 1.0039%
18 --- 51 --- 0.9143%
35 --- 50 --- 0.8963%
23 --- 42 --- 0.7529%
34 --- 37 --- 0.6633%
31 --- 32 --- 0.5736%
25 --- 31 --- 0.5557%
29 --- 30 --- 0.5378%

How come the highest score listed is 35? I know you don't have every single playoff game but in 2004 Judson beat O'Conner 49-37

SV61
04-11-2008, 07:43 AM
I didn't read the WHOLE thread, but Dada triggered a memory of mine, and was wondering this.

My freshman year, we lost a game 6 - 4.

So, in saying that, what would be the most UNcommon final score in Texas HS Football?

WOS87
04-11-2008, 09:27 AM
I didn't read the WHOLE thread, but Dada triggered a memory of mine, and was wondering this.

My freshman year, we lost a game 6 - 4.

So, in saying that, what would be the most UNcommon final score in Texas HS Football?

There are dozens of incidents of scores involving extremely high numbers that have only occurred once but as far as numbers less than 30, I still have only found one game that ended 4-0.

dragonsdaddy
04-11-2008, 09:51 AM
I didn't read the WHOLE thread, but Dada triggered a memory of mine, and was wondering this.

My freshman year, we lost a game 6 - 4.

So, in saying that, what would be the most UNcommon final score in Texas HS Football?

either 4-2 or 5-4.